WEBVTT - Barbie Savior

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<v Speaker 1>What you hear in this podcast does not implicate any

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<v Speaker 1>individual or entity in any criminal activity. The views and

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<v Speaker 1>opinions are solely those of the individuals participating in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on The Missionary, I'm going to come and do

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<v Speaker 1>my own thing so i can be my own boss

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<v Speaker 1>and run my own show. That was very, very very

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<v Speaker 1>much a trend and a lot of my years of blogging.

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<v Speaker 1>I was young and I wanted to share life can

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<v Speaker 1>look so different than what I thought it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>as a girl from a rural town in America. White

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<v Speaker 1>people fetishize black suffering or like get off on black software,

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<v Speaker 1>like seeing those pictures of those like malnourished Ugandan babies.

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<v Speaker 1>People love that ship. You don't get to place yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in an e er. And then claim was an emergency.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't a good Samaritan, she was a fraud. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't read the papers. I just listened to

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<v Speaker 1>what I was told. And if that was an oversight

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<v Speaker 1>by our nurses, then I was an oversight. Not to

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<v Speaker 1>cast any blame. It's not about saving kids. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>you being someone who shade these kids. That's what this

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<v Speaker 1>is about. You don't know anything You're just such a

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<v Speaker 1>new me, you know, so definitely a part of me

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<v Speaker 1>thinks like, oh, come on, Jackie, like bless your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a photo on Instagram that you might have seen,

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<v Speaker 1>might have even liked. It's a Barbie Doll wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>white coat, standing in front of a hospital with a

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<v Speaker 1>little black baby doll in one hand and a pink

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<v Speaker 1>stethoscope in the other. The caption reads, there are no

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<v Speaker 1>trained medical professionals or hospitals in Africa, so I'm drawing

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<v Speaker 1>on my vast amount of knowledge to cure and heal

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<v Speaker 1>those around me. It was posted by Barbie Savior, a

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<v Speaker 1>satirical profile that documents the adventures of a Barbie Doll

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<v Speaker 1>following her calling in Africa, holding little black baby dolls

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<v Speaker 1>in her arms, tattooing a map of Africa on her chest,

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<v Speaker 1>banging on drums in a far flowing village. The account

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<v Speaker 1>has a hundred and fifty followers. We didn't do any promotion.

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<v Speaker 1>We just started posting stuff and within the first few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks it started going viral and then kept getting picked up,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very clear that we had struck a nerve.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Emily Warrel, one of the co founders of the account.

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<v Speaker 1>What people assume with Barbie Saviors that we were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like solve something, and that was the opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>what we were trying to do, Like we were just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to process what we had experienced. The other co

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<v Speaker 1>founder you might actually recognize, Yeah, that's Jackie Kramlick, the

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<v Speaker 1>same nurse that saved Patricia's life. Some of the first

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<v Speaker 1>ones were honestly straight up mocking Renee, because the one

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<v Speaker 1>where Marbie's like getting on an airplane, that's like getting

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<v Speaker 1>backrup with how Renee leaving for you got. Barbie Saviors

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<v Speaker 1>started out almost as therapy for Jackie and Emily, a

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<v Speaker 1>way to event the endless frustrations of life in Ginger.

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<v Speaker 1>This culture of anything goes as long as you are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a difference. You are put on a

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<v Speaker 1>high pedestal and respected and unquestioned, and when you're in

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<v Speaker 1>your early twenties, that's like a drug. Emily was an

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<v Speaker 1>archetype of the Ginger missionary, a twenty something white woman

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<v Speaker 1>from the States who came to Uganda with good intentions,

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<v Speaker 1>the support of folks back home, and the dream of

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<v Speaker 1>running her own ngo. You get praised for what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You get put on this pedestal, you get all this

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<v Speaker 1>respect and like your your brain hasn't even formed yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But after a few years of running a charity for

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<v Speaker 1>children with disabilities, Emily became another archetype, the ex missionary

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<v Speaker 1>who crawled out of the cave and tried to coax

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of her friends to come out too. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that realization that maybe you shouldn't have started an

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<v Speaker 1>NGO was that all of a sudden or a slow realization.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more of a slow realization. Um, But then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden it was kind of like, can

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<v Speaker 1>I cuss on this? We encourage it? I got a funk.

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<v Speaker 1>What have I done? Basically, so, I think pieces were

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<v Speaker 1>chipped off over time, and then there wasn't like one

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<v Speaker 1>incident or one like aha moment. It was just coming

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<v Speaker 1>to terms with the fact that something I had built

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<v Speaker 1>my life around was not something I believed in. Her

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<v Speaker 1>transformation came in the mid twenty a time when young

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<v Speaker 1>Christian missionaries were arriving in ginger In Mats You reversibly

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<v Speaker 1>changing the face of this once tight knit community. I

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<v Speaker 1>understood why Emily recoiled from it, because the deeper I

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<v Speaker 1>got into the missionary world, the clearer it became that

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<v Speaker 1>Renee wasn't just a fluke. There was a whole industry

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<v Speaker 1>of mission trips, evangelical politics, and international aids were rolling

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<v Speaker 1>around Ginger. All those things came together in what seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like a perfect storm to create someone like Renee and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually tear this community apart from within this ship. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just something I had never seen before, and

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<v Speaker 1>honestly like something I still failed to put words to.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just such a bizarre random events that led

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<v Speaker 1>to what seemed like a catastrophic breakdown of an entire

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<v Speaker 1>community that was supposed to have each other's backs. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just, honestly like mean girls on steroids. In association

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<v Speaker 1>with I Heeart Media, I'm ROGI GOA, I'm helm CONDI,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Malcolm Burnley and this is the Missionary Episode five

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<v Speaker 1>Barbie Savior. In s a Baptist minister named William Carey

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<v Speaker 1>published a book titled An Inquiry into the Obligations of

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<v Speaker 1>Christians to use Means for the Conversion of the Heathens.

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<v Speaker 1>That obligation was the Great Commission, summed up best in

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Matthew Chapter verse nineteen. Therefore go and

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<v Speaker 1>make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the Father, and of the Son and of the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Spirit. William Carey is considered the godfather of the

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<v Speaker 1>modern missionary movement, and his book was the manual for

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<v Speaker 1>generations of missionaries setting off from Europe to the uncharted

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<v Speaker 1>continents full of so called savages and nonbelievers. It's said

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<v Speaker 1>that in those days, missionaries packed their clothes in a

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<v Speaker 1>coffin and never expected to return home. That's because the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Christianity of Jesus and his followers is one

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<v Speaker 1>of martyrdom of believers so faithful that they were willing

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<v Speaker 1>to give their lives in service of the Lord. It

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<v Speaker 1>was even written in Philippians Chapter two. Have the same

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<v Speaker 1>mindset as Christ. Jesus he humbled himself by becoming obedient

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<v Speaker 1>to death, even death on a cross. There were a

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<v Speaker 1>few places a missionary could put their faith to the test,

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<v Speaker 1>like Africa. So many died there and en route that

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<v Speaker 1>it became known as the white Man's Graveyard. Someone who

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<v Speaker 1>really feels that they've heard God's voice might talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it as a call. It implies, and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>often is the case that it's not something that I

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<v Speaker 1>went around and studied or planned, or you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't necessarily go to college and learn all the languages.

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt it. That's Dr Melanie McAllister. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>professor at George Washington University and the author of The

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<v Speaker 1>Kingdom of God. Has no borders about the role that

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<v Speaker 1>missionaries play in the modern world. And this is a

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<v Speaker 1>language that says, this is not just about me wanting

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<v Speaker 1>an adventure. This is about me feeling God's action in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. I'm doing this by virtue of a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>grader than me. But Dr McAllister says that the way

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<v Speaker 1>missionaries answer that calling has changed a lot in the

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<v Speaker 1>last fifty years. There was a transformation and how missionary

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<v Speaker 1>work happened really beginning in the sixties. With the increase

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<v Speaker 1>in flights and the lowering of costs of flights, people

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<v Speaker 1>were able to go for shorter periods of time and

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<v Speaker 1>get there more quickly. Nowadays, any teenager can hop on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane, travel halfway around the world with their church,

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<v Speaker 1>build a school, take some photos, and come home with

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<v Speaker 1>stories to tell. What used to be a life's work

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<v Speaker 1>was now a spring break tour package. It was now

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<v Speaker 1>a multibillion dollar industry selling a shortcut to righteousness to

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<v Speaker 1>nearly two million people a year. Kurt Verbeek is a

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<v Speaker 1>professor at Calvin University. He spent the last twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>studying this stuff. How it's sold is often that this

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<v Speaker 1>is risky, and you know, going to put your face

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<v Speaker 1>to a challenge, and you're going to go and share

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<v Speaker 1>the gospel, and there's this chance for God to use

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<v Speaker 1>this to do great things. It was the same language

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<v Speaker 1>that was used to recruit long term missionaries, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was now targeted at teenagers. In a sense, these short

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<v Speaker 1>trips were a form of role playing. You could live

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<v Speaker 1>the life of a missionary without the long term commitment

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<v Speaker 1>and sacrifice from the pulpit and in the pews. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more of this is going to be this life changing

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<v Speaker 1>experience for the people who receive us. But what lots

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<v Speaker 1>of times I think the parents and the leaders are

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<v Speaker 1>hoping for is a life shaping experience for the people

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<v Speaker 1>who go. After a century of colonialism and forceful efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to change local cultures, Africa was now a place where

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<v Speaker 1>Christians from the West could reconnect with God to heal

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<v Speaker 1>their own souls. They would see in Christians from these

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world a kind of idealized faith that

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<v Speaker 1>they saw as perhaps more authentic, more passionate, more pure

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<v Speaker 1>than their own, and they looked to those parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the Global South as a kind of spiritual resource. If

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<v Speaker 1>all this work was just a way to find yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>then it didn't really matter what the work was, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it was even useful at all. I talked with

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Verbeek about a story I heard about a mission

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico that really made that point clear to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Every summer, an American church group brought volunteers to Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>to help build a wall for a local orphanage. After

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<v Speaker 1>a week, the group would move on and locals would

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<v Speaker 1>tear the wall down in preparation for the next crop

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<v Speaker 1>of volunteers. There's sadly a good chunk of stories like that.

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<v Speaker 1>In haiti Un, there's some school. It's a sleep in school,

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<v Speaker 1>but the only time there's kids in the school is

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<v Speaker 1>when the church or mission groups would come down, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they would send them all back to their homes

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<v Speaker 1>until the next group came. Jesus does not ask that

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<v Speaker 1>we care for the less fortunate. He demands it. I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to invite you to come with me on

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<v Speaker 1>this journey that is so far from over and see

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<v Speaker 1>what God will do next. One woman seemed to embody

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect balance of self discovery and serving others. She

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<v Speaker 1>did it so well that she made ginger as snary Mecca.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Katie Davis. I'm twenty one years old and I

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<v Speaker 1>lived here in Uganda. I ran a Maggima ministry. Katie

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<v Speaker 1>Davis's story is one that you might recognize by now.

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<v Speaker 1>She was fresh out of high school when she felt

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<v Speaker 1>God calling her to Africa thing and I'd always said

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be mother to resetch just because I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I just loved her heart her children. So she

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<v Speaker 1>left her Tennessee town and said off for Uganda on

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<v Speaker 1>a short term trip just a few months. But when

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<v Speaker 1>she got there, she couldn't believe the poverty around her

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<v Speaker 1>and felt she needed to do something about it. Lord

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<v Speaker 1>with all your heart, and then you're to love your

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor as yourself. I'm like myself doesn't want to be starving,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I don't want other people in the world

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<v Speaker 1>to be starving. So she started an NGO to offer scholarships,

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<v Speaker 1>schooling and resources for thousands of vulnerable children across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not what made her famous. What made her

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<v Speaker 1>famous were the thirteen Ugandan children she adopted as her

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<v Speaker 1>And the littlest one looks up and she calls me, Mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>My heart breaks in two. I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but something clicks. I'm even more scared than

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<v Speaker 1>the day that I stepped on that plane, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is right. She wrote a book about it,

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<v Speaker 1>called Kisses from Katie, and it made the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times Best seller list. The recording You've been hearing is

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<v Speaker 1>from a Simon and Schuster advertisement for that book. The

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<v Speaker 1>cover shows a young, smiling Katie Davis on a dirt

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<v Speaker 1>road surrounded by laughing children, and inside the book features

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<v Speaker 1>a photograph taken by one of Katie's best friends, Renee Bach.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a missionary today was not just a way of

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<v Speaker 1>life anymore. It was a lifestyle brand. Blogging about your

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<v Speaker 1>daily adventures, posting photos of your picture perfect Christian family,

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<v Speaker 1>sharing heart wrenching videos of children in need. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just about selling a cause, it was about selling yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>The aspiration used to be martyrdom and conversions. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>was a book deal and influencer status. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>Katie's book or Rene's blogs that were filled with photos

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<v Speaker 1>of people like Nabucosa skinny to the bone or Patricia

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<v Speaker 1>swollen to the point of bursting and all in need

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<v Speaker 1>of rescuing. There were tons of missionaries out there, carefully

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<v Speaker 1>curating their online personas and posting similar images across every

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<v Speaker 1>social media outlet. The missionary brand depended on a charismatic,

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<v Speaker 1>selfless white woman surrounded by black children in need. It

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<v Speaker 1>required everything to be exaggerated. The missionary had to appear

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<v Speaker 1>more selfless, and the Africans had to appear more needy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Elizabeth Nicholson, one of the older missionaries in Ginger

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<v Speaker 1>in Uganda. If the children are go out and play,

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<v Speaker 1>it's muddy and dusty and dirty, so you put them

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<v Speaker 1>in the crimest clothes they have and they go out

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<v Speaker 1>and play. But somebody coming from the first world just

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<v Speaker 1>sees these dirty children in rags on Sunday. They're all

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned up and in their Sunday gloves. But actually this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a very old tactic on you platforms. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>Dr McAllister again. There was real pushback in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifties and nineteen sixties by African Christians about how Africans

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<v Speaker 1>were being represented and a young Congolese Methodist who then

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the US and sees how missionaries are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Congo, and you know, he's saying, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>We're part of an African continent that is on the rise.

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<v Speaker 1>We have you know, big cities, We're going to be modern,

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<v Speaker 1>we have decolonized, we're talking about freedom, and you all

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<v Speaker 1>are still showing pictures, literally showing pictures from thirty years previous,

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<v Speaker 1>in order to present Africa as inherently and uniformly backward

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<v Speaker 1>and mired in poverty, in order to praise money for

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<v Speaker 1>the missionary work. All of this revolves around a deceptively

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<v Speaker 1>simple question. What is a missionary's job? Is it to

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<v Speaker 1>serve the vulnerable and needy? Or is it to convert

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<v Speaker 1>people to Christianity and save their souls. Renee believed that

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<v Speaker 1>it was to serve. She thought that providing medical care

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<v Speaker 1>and healing children was a way to open the door

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<v Speaker 1>for a conversation about God. My job there was to

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<v Speaker 1>like show people the character and the nature of Christ

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<v Speaker 1>by just acting out of love and kindness. And being

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<v Speaker 1>so compassionate. And I do think that that was effective,

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<v Speaker 1>not in people just walking up to me and being like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, like you must love Jusus. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to love do thus too. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of experiences where people would just be like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you being so nice to people that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>even related to you. There's something different about you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like wonder what it is. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a far more rooted place to start a discussion about God.

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<v Speaker 1>But her board disagreed. When they responded to accusations of

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<v Speaker 1>Renee's malpractice, they quoted a nineteenth century missionary named Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>Chambers in missionary work, the great danger is that God's

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<v Speaker 1>call will be replaced by the needs of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>We tend to forget that the one great reason underneath

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<v Speaker 1>all missionary work is not primarily the elevation of the people,

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<v Speaker 1>their education, nor their needs, but as first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>the command of Jesus Christ. In other words, saving souls

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<v Speaker 1>was the only thing that mattered. Her job was to

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<v Speaker 1>win conversions, and there was no cost too high. The

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<v Speaker 1>dead kids were just collateral damage. That's a staggering mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can understand Ugandans who looked at a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years of colonial history and at the current state of

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<v Speaker 1>things and saw darker motives in Africa or in a community,

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<v Speaker 1>is a people grotify what people? That's Olivia Alasso, a

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<v Speaker 1>social worker and the Ugandan co founder of No White Saviors.

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<v Speaker 1>If people are not held accountable, if people's bad vices

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<v Speaker 1>are not brought up, a people continue to praise them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also one way of creating awareness in our

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<v Speaker 1>communities by actually calling up people who are doing what

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<v Speaker 1>we consider inhuman. To Olivia, the missionaries continued a white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacist system that placed Ugandans on the bottom, subject to

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<v Speaker 1>the whims and fancies of people who would come to

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<v Speaker 1>do good, a system she and No White Saviors were

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<v Speaker 1>determined to dismantle. This also works up the community for

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<v Speaker 1>them to stand and ask next time to see a

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<v Speaker 1>white person and say, hey, look, you're coming in to

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<v Speaker 1>present yourself as a doctor or as a teacher, can

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<v Speaker 1>we see your papers? This gives them the confidence because

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<v Speaker 1>they have seen someone held But if we leave things

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<v Speaker 1>past like that, then this will continue on the African

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<v Speaker 1>continent because for us here all the time, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>white is right and black is wrong. Olivia was only

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<v Speaker 1>one of many Uganians trying to ensure accountability. Margaret Chambaku

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<v Speaker 1>Laba is the head of the Ginger and Geo Forum,

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<v Speaker 1>an independent body set up to coordinate the activities and

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<v Speaker 1>offer oversight. Tell the hundreds of organizations in Ginger and

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<v Speaker 1>they're still happening because you will find when you go

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<v Speaker 1>to Facebook pages there's so many organizations and when you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the ground to look for them, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>see them. But when you really want to interact and

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<v Speaker 1>say where are you based? Can I come and visit?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I come see the people you're really working with

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<v Speaker 1>the community? You don't see them and they will change

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<v Speaker 1>their names in the face. For years, Margaret has been

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<v Speaker 1>on the front lines doing her best to police and

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<v Speaker 1>geos with a few resources. She has She worried that

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<v Speaker 1>many of the missionaries were only out to enrich themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'll see they're receiving funds that are receiving money.

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<v Speaker 1>The people who want to help, I think as pathetic

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<v Speaker 1>when they hear a story that is so touching, they

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<v Speaker 1>will send the money before they realize it's just a fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>We really have so many of those cases. Margaret told

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<v Speaker 1>me that there were over nine hundred registered organizations in

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<v Speaker 1>Ginger that came out to one NGO for every five

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<v Speaker 1>people in the district. Now, to be clear, not all

0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.080
<v Speaker 1>NGOs or missionary run and many are actually Uganda owned.

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<v Speaker 1>But still the numbers blew me away. I asked Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>where Renee in serving his children fit into that picture. So,

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<v Speaker 1>based on the allegations you have heard that she was

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<v Speaker 1>an unlicensed medical facility, that she was providing medical care

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<v Speaker 1>without having medical qualifications, do these allegations surprise you given

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<v Speaker 1>what you know about how NGOs operate here. Um, of

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<v Speaker 1>course they don't surprise me. I know anybody here can

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<v Speaker 1>come and people be live in foreign people very much,

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<v Speaker 1>even you when you're time to see your doctor. No

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<v Speaker 1>one would quote the question your qualifications or anything. So

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it's not a surprise. Do you think it

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<v Speaker 1>could happen again now? Yes, it could even be happening

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see

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<v Speaker 1>Anson being you know, cold to doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Every person I spoke to in Ginger had a horror

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<v Speaker 1>story to tell. Some orphanage was abusing kids, or an

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<v Speaker 1>NGO was embezzling its donors, and well, you didn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>this from me, But did you hear about that American

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<v Speaker 1>couple's sketchy adoption renee box story is actually quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more common than you might think, maybe not the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and five dead children, but other parts of it.

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<v Speaker 1>In the year I spent in Uganda, I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>surprising number of missionary scandals in the headlines, like the

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<v Speaker 1>American evangelical who was deported after giving Ugandans a miracle

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<v Speaker 1>drug to cure cancer. US passed up from New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>had been giving MMS miracle mineral solution, which is basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a bleaching agent to over fifty thousand Ugandans. Or

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<v Speaker 1>the old white guy who was caught on video punching

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel concierge while shouting Uganda hates Jesus, got Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah feeling and though he wasn't a missionary. A

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<v Speaker 1>German national who ran a children's home was arrested on

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<v Speaker 1>charges of defilement and child trafficking. We first said the

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<v Speaker 1>complaint AGAINIST team said that team or Navigations of Sexual

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<v Speaker 1>Actors againist because she was taking care of it was

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<v Speaker 1>clear that Ginger needed a radical transformation. To be honest, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there is a personal aspect of this case

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and I can't pretend there's not. But the

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<v Speaker 1>personal aspect is not how we'd It's also just knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that she's not the only one like this is not

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<v Speaker 1>Renee is not the only person doing this, not in Uganda,

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<v Speaker 1>not globally, and there needs to be a new standard set.

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<v Speaker 1>When Kelsey Nielsen graduated college, she received a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>Kisses from Katie and soon became one of the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of young women who followed her footsteps to Ginger. She

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<v Speaker 1>signed up to volunteer by chance at the same orphanage

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<v Speaker 1>that Renee volunteered at. After a few months there, Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>founded an NGO called Abide Family Center to support vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>families and offer them an alternative to putting their kids

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<v Speaker 1>up for adoption. It was thrilling to be a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>something CEO in a foreign country rubbing elbows with your

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity role models. And I just remember being like so

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<v Speaker 1>amazed at Katie and Renee and thinking like they're the

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<v Speaker 1>pinnacle of like what I should be striving for of,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're so self sacrificial. They they just say yes

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<v Speaker 1>to everything. To Kelsey, they were the real missionaries, giving

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<v Speaker 1>everything they had to the poor people of Ginger. They

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<v Speaker 1>were making real sacrifices and changing lives. So when Renee

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<v Speaker 1>asked for a favor, Kelsey jumped at the chance. I

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<v Speaker 1>sat there and washed. What was I watching? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing? Why am I Why am I

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<v Speaker 1>going to the hospital watch a child? But I did

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<v Speaker 1>it because I was like I wanted to be friends

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<v Speaker 1>with them like they were they were the cool girls,

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<v Speaker 1>and so being was like that's I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>your friends of them. But the more unmeshed Kelsey got

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ginger world, the more she saw another side

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<v Speaker 1>to their image. They set the tone to us what

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<v Speaker 1>would normalize? Like they basically set the tone of like

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<v Speaker 1>this is what is acceptable. So if you, like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had a kid die or you had um, you

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 1>have just had like an overwhelming amount of like dizziness.

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>It was like, Oh, you're doing it right, Like this

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>is like this is where God you see God work.

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>God works when like things are chaotic, probably when you

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<v Speaker 1>create the chaos. It was easy to see why Ginger

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<v Speaker 1>was an exhausting place to be martyrdom was once the

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<v Speaker 1>highest calling of Christian missionaries, and in a lot of

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 1>ways that culture still lingered. It was a place that

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<v Speaker 1>demanded everything of a person. There were no lines between

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<v Speaker 1>a personal and professional life, and it was almost taboo

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<v Speaker 1>to even think of taking time for yourself. Here's renee.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while, especially when I first got to Ganda,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of this like who could like one

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<v Speaker 1>up each other, who was like the most tired and

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>life worked the hardest, you know, like like I haven't

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>had a day off and in like a month, or

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<v Speaker 1>like oh well I haven't had you know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been on vacation in five years. You know, and

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<v Speaker 1>people don't I think need it, like subconsciously it's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to like tell that you're working hard. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. I used to heavily judge people who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work on the weekend. I was like, who do

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>you think you are? You know, working on the weekends?

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<v Speaker 1>Like why are you been here? You know when you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a town full of people who are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>save lives and who were just as ambitious and stressed out, Well,

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you've got a pressure cooker on your hands. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a hard place to live in the sense that, like

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<v Speaker 1>even Kelsey, one of her closest friends was Emily, whirl

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the Barbie Savior girls. Well, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to hear Emily and Kelsey talk about each other terribly

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 1>behind each other's backs in public settings, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I can't believe Emily is doing this with

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<v Speaker 1>her kids, or I can't Kelsey is crazy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another reason why I really didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get it involved in the community and have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of friends, because I thought like, let's just mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be a part of that, and

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 1>it's so easy to get sucked into. Even in my

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 1>time in Ginger, I'd experienced similar things at coffee shops

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and restaurants. Everyone was friendly and happy to chat, but

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>then I'd hear them batting rumors around about each other,

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>everything from extra marital affairs and drug addictions to child

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>abuse and trafficking. When I saw that side of Ginger,

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel so special that the box were spreading

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>rumors about me. We're trying to get in our heads

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>with things like the Patricia video. Ginger had always been

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<v Speaker 1>like this, here's Emily Warrel from Barbie Savior again. I

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>think seeing how the community reacted left a really bad

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>taste in my mouth, and I just was constantly asking

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<v Speaker 1>myself every day, if this is how Christians are supposed

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to act and treat one another. This is not attractive

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 1>at all, This is embarrassing, This is frankly disgusting. Why

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>would I wouldn't be a part of this. When you

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>think about missionaries as martyrs, you think of them being

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>persecuted by nonbelievers, by kings in foreign lands, or by

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<v Speaker 1>disease and disaster in jungles and deserts. Even these days,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a mindset of persecution that still exists among them.

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<v Speaker 1>You see it all the time when white Christians in

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<v Speaker 1>America say that they're under attack despite everything seemingly going

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<v Speaker 1>their way. But when persecution against missionaries came to Ginger,

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<v Speaker 1>it came from an unexpected place. It came from another missionary.

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<v Speaker 1>Katie and I were never really friends. Myself and any

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<v Speaker 1>of the less attractive white girls in Ginger weren't pretty

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<v Speaker 1>or cool enough for you. I never worshiped you enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be in your inner circle, and I'm cool with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Your whole Christian celebrity persona is a total joke. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>all that defending Renee Bach, a literal murderer of children.

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<v Speaker 1>That is when I lost all respect for you. These

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<v Speaker 1>are Kelsey Nielsen's word taken from a Facebook post, edited

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<v Speaker 1>for clarity and read by a voice actor. Earlier that year,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey was sexually assaulted by a colleague in Uganda. It

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<v Speaker 1>led to the deterioration of her mental health, and, as

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<v Speaker 1>she tells it, her NGO forcing her out of the organization.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, Kelsey saw Ginger in a completely different light.

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<v Speaker 1>She was fed up with the sketchy adoptions, the medical malpractice,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the other contradictions she saw. She knew she

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<v Speaker 1>would be mocked and dismissed if she spoke out. She'd

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<v Speaker 1>become a pariah in the missionary community, but she had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to lose anymore. Just like Jesus said, no profit

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<v Speaker 1>is accepted in his hometown. I'm not doing this for

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<v Speaker 1>the likes or for attention. I'm doing it because it

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be said. And although many will say it

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<v Speaker 1>where it is safe, I'm not interested in staying safe

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<v Speaker 1>about things that matter anymore. She put other NGOs on

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<v Speaker 1>blast two, demanding to see financial records asking how much

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<v Speaker 1>you Gandon staff were being paid and how much the

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<v Speaker 1>directors were spending on travel, house help, and rental properties.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only getting started. I'm threatening nothing other than exposing

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<v Speaker 1>all the lies, exploitation, and corruption within the missionary community

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<v Speaker 1>in Ginger. If I see the White Saviors of Ginger

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<v Speaker 1>coming clean and admitting their harmful and ethical and criminal acts,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll work towards reconciliation, or i will at the very

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<v Speaker 1>least stop posting about this. Kelsey admits that many of

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<v Speaker 1>these posts were written during a very dark moment in

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<v Speaker 1>her life, when her mental health was at a low point.

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<v Speaker 1>Others in the community were quick to seize on Kelsey's

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<v Speaker 1>history of mental illness and dismiss her one diness with bipolar,

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<v Speaker 1>bipolar and PTSD, And so you have, Okay, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to trust anything this woman says, she's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have a lot of like stingle around mental health.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've even experienced that since working with the White Saviors,

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<v Speaker 1>since we've created this platform, had people just say like,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey is not stable, you shouldn't be having her on

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<v Speaker 1>your team. And it's hard. I mean, that's probably my

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<v Speaker 1>one area and that's really hard because I think I

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<v Speaker 1>still face a lot of self stigma and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of like inscree of like trusting my own mind and

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<v Speaker 1>trusting so like trusting like what is passionate and driven

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<v Speaker 1>and like ideas and what is my mania? But she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stop posting about it. Instead, she figured out how

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<v Speaker 1>to turn her newfound perspective into a brand of its own.

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<v Speaker 1>So she linked up with Olivia, the Ugandan social worker

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<v Speaker 1>that used to work in her NGO, and the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them created No White Saviors. What Barbie Savior had

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<v Speaker 1>failed to do, No White Saviors would. My biggest criticism

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<v Speaker 1>of Barbie Savior was that they were just criticizing this

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<v Speaker 1>in a satirical way and nothing was actually being done.

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<v Speaker 1>You could be like actually calling out this stuff directly

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<v Speaker 1>and doing something about it with your platform. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>good and fun to make a joke about it, but

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<v Speaker 1>that ship is literally fasting people lives, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>funny in a community full of contradictions and abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>people who didn't take kindly to advice from outsiders, No

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<v Speaker 1>White Saviors was just as inevitable as Renee. The direction

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<v Speaker 1>they took was distinctly more confrontational They went after the

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<v Speaker 1>international adoption industry, which they accused of tricking parents into

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<v Speaker 1>selling their kids abroad, and they nearly canceled the British

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<v Speaker 1>TV presenter named Stacy Dooley when she posted a selfie

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<v Speaker 1>with a child in a village without consent. They called

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<v Speaker 1>for boycotts of travel bloggers who posted, in their words,

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<v Speaker 1>poverty porn, and they organized a campaign for the survivors

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<v Speaker 1>of a trafficking ring allegedly run by a German national

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<v Speaker 1>who ran a children's home in Uganda. A white spur mussels.

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<v Speaker 1>It is something that has really had to break. We

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<v Speaker 1>are trying. We don't know when it will die out.

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<v Speaker 1>Without work, we're just laying a foundation. Maybe at one

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<v Speaker 1>point it will be a chief. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>in town didn't agree with No White Saviors tactics. Their

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<v Speaker 1>brand of politics felt more like blackmail and extortion than advocacy. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>it forced NGOs and Gina and elsewhere to reconsider the

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<v Speaker 1>way that they behaved online and on the ground. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard from several NGEO directors in Uganda that they now

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<v Speaker 1>asked themselves, what would No White Saviors say before Ginja.

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<v Speaker 1>My entire understanding of what it meant to be a

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<v Speaker 1>missionary came from Sister Gracie, the nun I met in

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<v Speaker 1>South Sudan when I was still in college. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a lifelong missionary, dedicated to the people she lived among,

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to serving their needs and uplifting them. She learned

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<v Speaker 1>the local language and broke bread with them every night.

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<v Speaker 1>She called South Sudan home. When I asked her if

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<v Speaker 1>she'd ever go back to India, she told me she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be buried in South Sudan. The most humbling

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<v Speaker 1>part was that she expected no credit for it, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even expect results. Sometimes she didn't even know whether anything

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<v Speaker 1>she did mattered. But she wore the same torn and

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<v Speaker 1>frayed habit every single day and went to work because

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<v Speaker 1>she knew she had to keep trying. Ginger seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>the exact opposite. Every stone I turned over was another

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<v Speaker 1>scandal waiting to explode. Every missionary I spoke to was

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<v Speaker 1>more than happy to dish on their neighbors. People seemed

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<v Speaker 1>more worried about keeping up an image of righteousness than

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<v Speaker 1>actually being righteous. And the reason was simple, Doing the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing wasn't easy. If it was, then we'd be

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<v Speaker 1>living in a much different world, but painting that picture

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of doing the right thing that was much easier.

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<v Speaker 1>They were role playing a life like Sister Grace's, and

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like a punch to the gut. I had

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<v Speaker 1>seen the toll it had taken on her, the decades

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<v Speaker 1>of trauma, the gnawing self doubt rushing into Battlefield's time

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<v Speaker 1>and time again. I read the Ginger blogs. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>the heroic images they painted. I saw the NGO fundraising campaigns,

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<v Speaker 1>teary eyed and full of needy children. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>would read the Uganian headlines and I saw the stomach

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<v Speaker 1>churning scandals that came to the surface. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>sat in restaurants with them, eating ramen and drinking coconut latte's,

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<v Speaker 1>all paid for with earnest donations. That's what I've been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get across this whole episode. Renee isn't an anomaly,

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<v Speaker 1>she isn't some ah historical monster. She's an embodiment of

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<v Speaker 1>all the swirling forces around Ginger and missionary culture at large.

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<v Speaker 1>Young people who tried to solve the world's problems without

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<v Speaker 1>qualifications are oversight folks back home who put them on

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<v Speaker 1>a pedestal for taking action no matter what the outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea that serving God was the highest calling,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it came at the expense of the people

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<v Speaker 1>you'd come to save. Even Jackie Kramlick, whose accused Renee

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<v Speaker 1>of terrible things, I saw her that way. The analogy

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<v Speaker 1>I use is kind of like a rabid dog and

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<v Speaker 1>a puppy mill that they're like, Oh, that dog was bad,

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<v Speaker 1>good to see you took him out, But let's not

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the evils of the puppy mill. That's the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why when people are like, oh, she's just

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<v Speaker 1>so evil, blah blah blah, It's like there's a really

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<v Speaker 1>a really big, deep story here of how this comes

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<v Speaker 1>to be and how someone could get into this position

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone needs to be very mindful of. But to

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<v Speaker 1>claim that she's just like completely evil independent of all

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<v Speaker 1>these underlying structures is really missing the point. But Gina's

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<v Speaker 1>reckoning was just about to arrive. Yeah. The Missionaries produced

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