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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, Texas love triangle turns deadly

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Speaker 1: when a gorgeous young biker, the number one female dirt

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Speaker 1: bathroom of a friend's apartment, shot multiple times. Why because

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Speaker 1: a woman was scorned and that woman had a gun.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation. In series XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven, we are bringing you the very latest in

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Speaker 1: the search for the yoga instructor Caitlin Armstrong who is

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Speaker 1: on the run. First of all, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online. Fox News is reporting that

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Speaker 1: a man reported seeing Kaitlin Armstrong's sister Christine at a

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Speaker 1: remote campground in upstate New York. He also claims to

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Speaker 1: have spotted Kaitlyn Armstrong at that same campground. The camp

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Speaker 1: that Christine Armstrong has been staying at for some time.

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Speaker 1: The witness claims that Katalin Armstrong joined her sister at

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Speaker 1: of Mariah Wilson. The man says he saw Kaylyn up

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Speaker 1: Private investigator Jason Jensen says he believes Kaitlin Armstrong maybe

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Speaker 1: using her sister's name to avoid being captured, with Christine

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Speaker 1: having been at a remote campground in upstate New York

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Speaker 1: think that Katalin becoming Christine and then simply disappearing across

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Speaker 1: the Canadian border. Not a stretch at all, except for

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Speaker 1: the fact she was spotted at Newark International Airport with

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Speaker 1: me and All Star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now, But first I want to go

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Speaker 1: straight out to Fox News Digital reporter. They're the ones

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Speaker 1: that broke this case. Michael Ruiz broke this tip. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Michael Ruise, tell me everything and don't leave anything out.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm going to go to private investigator Jason Jensen,

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Speaker 1: who is on the case. Okay, Michael Ruise, hit me,

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Speaker 1: as you know, Kaitlyn Armstrong flew into LaGuardia Airport the US.

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Speaker 1: Marshall tell us on me fourteen. Okay, wait, Michael Ruise,

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Speaker 1: to start with Mariah Wilson, Moe twenty five years old. Cute, cute, cute, sweet,

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Speaker 1: notice that Jackie always has a bike helmet on. It's

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Speaker 1: multiple gunshots. Now that was all. What day was that?

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Speaker 1: The eleventh? I was on May eleventh, right before okay,

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Speaker 1: ten pm? And you see the yoga instructor's suv circling

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Speaker 1: her the apartment where she's staying like a vulture, and

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Speaker 1: then she shot dead. Then what happens to the yoga instructor. Oh?

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Speaker 1: The next day, Caitlyn Armstrong, the yoga instructor of the

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Speaker 1: suspect and the killing of Moe Wilson, is questioned by

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Speaker 1: police on an unrelated warrant and due to a clerical errort.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait, this is important Michael Ruise. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know it doesn't mean anything to you, but let

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Speaker 1: Cheryl mccollin with me, founder director of the Cold Case

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Speaker 1: Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just a misdemeanor, Cheryl McCollum. The yoga is

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Speaker 1: tracer gorgeous. I might add, who I believe it's a

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Speaker 1: She shoot your face up with botox. Not judging at all.

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Speaker 1: So Michael Ruise, I had to do a little deet

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Speaker 1: Here's something else I like about you. You. You know,

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Speaker 1: talking about. Jason Jensen private investigator out of Salt Lake

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Speaker 1: Jensen Private Investigations dot com. Jason, tell me about how

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Speaker 1: simple anyone with experience looking for fugitives. No, A couple

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Speaker 1: autoxy Forensic Services, University Michigan, I'm thinking about all of

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Speaker 1: a holistic, uh renewable camp site. Um, it seems to

425
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: be there. They're very into organic food. They grow a

426
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: lot of food. They also own a an organic market

427
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: in town nearby. So it's it's it's like a retreat.

428
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: It's a place where you can be in undisturbed nature.

429
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: It's very beautiful and very remote. It's beautiful and they

430
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, and they seem to be self sufficient. If

431
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: you look on their social media, they're they're building a

432
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: lot of structures themselves. They're doing a lot of farming themselves,

433
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: They're doing a lot of carpentry work themselves. So it's

434
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it seems, you know, I almost

435
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: want to call it like a commune type place. I

436
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: don't think that's specifically what it is, but it's a

437
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: self sufficient sort of a way to be off the

438
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: grid and in nature. So back to the As much

439
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: as I like talking about organic food and being off

440
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: the grid, can I get back to the witness? Right?

441
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: So right on the road going up to this campground,

442
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: there's a man there. He looks like someone who works there,

443
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. He identified himself as a long

444
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: term camper, and he thought as he saw Caitlyn, he

445
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: saw us Marshalls after Caitlyn had come and gone, and

446
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: he said that this happened before it all blew up,

447
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: before everything went crazy. So that lines up with the

448
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: timeline of her going to LaGuardia Airport, which is about

449
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: two and a half hours away. And that was before

450
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: things blew up, that was before there was a nationwide

451
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: man hunt for Caitlyn Armstrong. Okay, wait a minute, White

452
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Let's get

453
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: the timeline down as best as we can. I would

454
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: think she flew from Texas probably, I think it was

455
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Hobby to LaGuardia. She got there on the fort tenth.

456
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: Then I think that's when she hooked up with a sister,

457
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: because then she was spotted back at Newark, you know what,

458
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: ten fifteen miles away in Jersey on the eighteenth, Right,

459
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: So wouldn't you place her there between the fourteenth and

460
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: the eighteenth, now? I would? I know that for it

461
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: had to be after the fourteenth, right, And now did

462
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: she go back to the camp after visiting Newark? That

463
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: we don't know. That's something we haven't been able to

464
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: pin down because the witness didn't have an exact date

465
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: on when he saw her other than it was before

466
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: everything kicked up. Now the eighteenth, they were looking for

467
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: her by then, the warrant came out around then, So,

468
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: but had the story gained enough traction where everybody would

469
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: recognize her at that point. That's kind of what we

470
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: don't know in terms of what was going on in

471
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: the ground over there. So this guy who is a

472
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: long term camper, tell Stephanie Pogonis, your colleague at Fox Digitel,

473
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: that Caitlin arms Strong was there at Camp Haven up

474
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: in Livingston, Manor, New York. It's a compound, an organic

475
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: renewable source compound beautiful. I've seen it before everything blew up. Well,

476
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that means before it hit the news, before

477
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: he heard about it. I still say it had to

478
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: be after the shooting. What about it to Jason, Jason,

479
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: what do you make of this timeline? It's clear that

480
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: she wants to flee the state so that she's not

481
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: going to meet an immediate arrest. She knows it's coming,

482
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: That's why she takes off. She's looking for assistance. She

483
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: goes up to New York State to have help from

484
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: her sister. It's, you know, following the old future, the textbook.

485
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: So when do you place her there the best of

486
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: your calculations, Jason, Well, what puts her there is the

487
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: fact that it was widely reported by the Marshall Service

488
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: that she was seen at LaGuardia. That's what led me

489
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: to look in New York and then to see an

490
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: address from her sister, you know, just puts it up.

491
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: That's why she's there. Guys. Take a listen to our

492
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: cut thirty three, our friends at the US Marshall Service

493
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: speaking to News Nation. She suspected of committing murder, and

494
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: so in a case like that, she may be getting

495
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: more desperate, and as she does that, she becomes more dangerous.

496
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: And so our intent is to find her as quickly

497
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: as we can and to bring her into custody. You know,

498
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum found a director Coal Case Research Institute. I see,

499
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: really at this point only two choices either that close

500
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: to the Canadian border. I mean, it is so easy

501
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: to cross over. You have to go through an official

502
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: border crossing as a matter of factual. Take a listen

503
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: to our friends at CBC News cut thirty four. A

504
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Bloxham Rhode has first become the busiest illegal cross into Canada.

505
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: This year, almost twelve thousand made the track. Border running

506
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: in the Champlain Valley is not new Plattsburgh was part

507
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: of the underground railway for American slaves making their way

508
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: north to Canada. There's over five hundred kilometers of frontier

509
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: where New York, New Hampshire, and Vermont butt up against Canada,

510
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: and Roxham Road isn't the only place people jump the border.

511
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: We can actually get up to the border in Patrol

512
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: East and West. Brad Brandt is a supervisor with the

513
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: US Border Patrol. He's brought us to another spot in

514
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Vermont where people are also border jumping. This road comes

515
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: in from Canada, stops right here with this barrier that

516
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: one of the local residents put up. So they drive

517
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: along this road. Yeah, top over the logs and they're

518
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: in Canada. So we've had people just like at the

519
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: Roxham Road, We've had people that fly into JFK, take

520
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: a bus to Burlington, take a taxi from Burlington to

521
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: this location and literally just stepped across logs and you're

522
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: in Canada. So Cheryl, I see two things. One, she's

523
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: right there with Canada within throwing distance. She either did

524
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: that going with her sister's ID, her sister goes and

525
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: gets a new ID, or she takes sister's ID and

526
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: she heads out from Newark International Airport too, you know,

527
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: climbs unknown. What do you think. I think that obviously

528
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: she's got some help with transportation, because again, even when

529
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: she landed in Lagory, the first time to get to

530
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: that camp site is two and a half hours. She

531
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: had to have a car to get to New Jersey.

532
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: She had to have transportation. Again, she's either using somebody's

533
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: uber or lived account, or she's got some way that

534
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: she When our family lived in New York for so

535
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: many years, we took trains everywhere, absolutely to get you,

536
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily to the back door of your camper. But

537
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: there are how many Jackie ten train stations near Livingstone.

538
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: They may be fifteen minutes away, they may be thirty

539
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: minutes away, but she could get a ride from there.

540
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I think she's got help, Nancy. And there are trains

541
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: going into Newark and LaGuardia. You just hop on one

542
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: and you blend in with millions of people. Clear. But

543
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I still think she's got help because the way she's

544
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: been able to maneuver without being on any public camera.

545
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: Again and again, she's wearing white pants. She's not prepared

546
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: to primitive camp and the yoga mat doctor Sherry Schwartz,

547
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: forensic psychologists. It's a dead giveaway. I'm looking for a

548
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: tall five eight one hundred and twenty five pound, blondish brown,

549
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: curly haired yoga instructor and the everyone walks through with

550
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: the yoga mat on her back. She's not really trying

551
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: to hide, doctor Schwartz, She's not trying to hide. And

552
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: that just shows the lack of insight and foresight that

553
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: this woman has. Because this is what's important to you,

554
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a critical identifying feature. Anybody

555
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: who knows about this case is probably doing double takes

556
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: in the airport or anywhere in public that they see

557
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: something young woman with a yoga mat on their back.

558
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: Michael Ruist, what I mean? Fox these Digital We've got

559
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: to get that driver's license photo the sister took when

560
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: she went in to get her new driver's license coincidentally

561
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: on May seventeen, and her sister's been in town from

562
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: fourteen to eighteen. We've got to say if she altered

563
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: her appearance in anyway. What do you think about that? Ruise? Well,

564
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: I've been asking about it. I haven't able to get

565
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: a copy of it myself, but if anyone is able to.

566
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's the US Marshal, so they're probably,

567
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: as usual, a few steps ahead of us and likely

568
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: have a lot more information about where she might have

569
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: gone next. What else do you know, Michael, What else

570
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: do I know? Well? You know, I talked to people

571
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: who grew up with Caitlin Armstrong of weeks ago, um,

572
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: and I know a little bit about her background in Michigan,

573
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: and it seemed to them that these allegations that she

574
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: would shoot someone was completely shocking. And I kind of

575
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: want to circle back to, you know, her personality, what

576
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: she might have been like, because this is this information

577
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: just seemed interesting to me, and it seems to contradict

578
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: the idea that maybe she's never faced consequences before. I know,

579
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: we have the botox, you know, skipped payment. But I

580
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: when I was speaking of people who went to school

581
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: with her and who knew her, it said she was popular.

582
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: That says she was pretty, that said she was an athlete,

583
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, well she was part of that crowd.

584
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Was she like mean girls? And they said no, no,

585
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: she was also really really nice. So that part of

586
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: her background uh stands out in in a in a

587
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: way that sort of makes this seem out of character

588
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: if we're to believe that those accounts of her from

589
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: the path. Yeah, that's really interesting to me because you

590
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: would not expect a genuinely nice person all the way

591
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: through high school. Because I really agree with Freud that

592
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: your personality is set at about age four, and she

593
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: was mean in hate linkniving I think would have manifested

594
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: by high school. But what about the idea, doctor Sherry Swort,

595
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: psychologists joining us of an obsessive love disorder? Well, absolutely,

596
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: she could be obsessed with Strickland. Maybe you know, there

597
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: would be a clue in perhaps other relationships that she's had.

598
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Is she jealous possessive, that sort of thing, or maybe

599
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: it just drove her crazy that he was lying and

600
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: clearly doing things behind her back and lying to her

601
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: about it and to you. Doctor Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor

602
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy and Forensic Services, University of

603
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: Michigan Medical School, Doctor Jensen, what does the mode of

604
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: the murder? I mean, tracking down Mariah Wilson like a

605
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: bunny rabbit, trapping her in, entering someone else's apartment, trapping

606
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: her in the bathroom, and shooting her multiple times. What

607
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: does that tell you about her psyche? Well, I can't

608
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: really respond to individuals psyches only to indicate that we

609
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: talk about excessive mortality, successive injuries, and individuals who know

610
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: another person or who have a psychological tendency with them.

611
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: For example, excessive stab wounce to the face, for example,

612
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: might indicate somebody knows the victim or a different number

613
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: of different modalities of the injury the gunshot, wounds, stab blunds,

614
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: blunt trauma, etc. Could also point to some kind of

615
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: a psychological attachment to the decedent or the victim. And

616
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: attachment doesn't necessarily mean you love them. You could hate them.

617
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: That could be your consuming emotion is hate. I would

618
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yeah, of course, I'm just a JD.

619
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: You're the MD. I'm just throwing it out there, you know.

620
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Jason Jensen, private an

621
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: investigator joining us who figured out the whole connection with

622
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: sister Christine. Jason, what do you think is going on

623
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: right now? Well, as far as what is going on

624
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: with Caitlin right now, she's on the run. We don't

625
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: know where she's at. Somebody out there will eventually spot her,

626
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: somewhere because we're revealing what little dark secret she and

627
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: her sister cooked up to hide her identity and let

628
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: her blend in. Because really nobody was looking for a

629
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: Christine Armstrong from New York. So you know, she could

630
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: pass all the ideas around that she wants. No one

631
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: would even do a double take. And with that id

632
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, with that idea, she could start a whole

633
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: life somewhere else. Yes, start all over again, all all

634
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's dawned on her sister's career and

635
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: everything and started a whole new life in a whole

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Speaker 1: new direction. She doesn't even have to be a yoga instructor.

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Speaker 1: She can be just a student. And you know, Michael Luise,

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Speaker 1: she's not stuck with the idea of Christine Armstrong. What

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Speaker 1: she gets somewhere and gets and gets settled. Do you

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Speaker 1: know how fast you can get a fake idea? Mean,

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Speaker 1: you can get him online in forty eight hours and

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Speaker 1: they look pretty good. Oh yeah, you know, unless you're

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Speaker 1: trying to travel internationally, you can get a pretty good

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Speaker 1: fake idea. I mean, at any Hartender, there are fakes

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Speaker 1: that scan and people can get in and drink when

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Speaker 1: they're underage. It's not that out of the realm of possibility.

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Speaker 1: One last thing, you know, Cheryl, we keep referring to

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Speaker 1: her as yoga instructor on the run. Let's don't forget

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Speaker 1: she wasn't afraid to point the barrel and pull the

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Speaker 1: trigger multiple times on a six hour and gunned this

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Speaker 1: girl down in cold blood, unarmed, trapped in a bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Neighbors say they think she had a silent sloon. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we should underestimate this woman. I don't either,

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Speaker 1: and I tell you I've heard you say so many

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Speaker 1: times to a jury. She got the gun, she walked

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Speaker 1: to her car, She drove and stalked. This woman, waited on.

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Speaker 1: This woman broke into somebody's house, cornered this poor victim,

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Speaker 1: and emptied a nine millimeter into her. And at no

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Speaker 1: time during any of that did she stop and change

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Speaker 1: her mind and do the right thing. At no point

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Speaker 1: did she look down at her hand with that gun

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Speaker 1: in it and say, my God in Heaven, what am

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Speaker 1: I doing. We wait as justice unfolds tipline. There's a

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollar reward. Eight hundred three three six zero

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Speaker 1: one zero two repeat, eight hundred three three six zero

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Speaker 1: one zero two, Goodbye SA