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Speaker 1: was one of those episodes where there were a lot
Speaker 1: of like meaningful sit down, I want to tell you
Speaker 1: something moments, and so you're all at home, just sit down,
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you some stuff. What's gonna happen today.
Speaker 1: It's a season three episode nineteen I Slept with someone
Speaker 1: and fallout boy and all I got was a stupid
Speaker 1: song written about me, which aired April twelve, two thousand six.
Speaker 1: Sofia tell him what they've won? What was the synopsis? Well, friends,
Speaker 1: In this episode, Lucas is having a hard time getting
Speaker 1: back on the court for the Ravens as they forfeit
Speaker 1: a game, but he finally tells Whitey and Karen about
Speaker 1: his heart condition. Uncle Cooper is in town and dating
Speaker 1: a new twenty six year old model, supposedly from Tree Hill.
Speaker 1: Devi also returns and offers to help Karen get back
Speaker 1: on her feet. We all burst into tears at that part,
Speaker 1: and Nathan and Haley take a test to see if
Speaker 1: they are a compatible couple. Peyton makes a decision about
Speaker 1: who she wants to be with. Oh my god, chuck
Speaker 1: full of spicy nuts. I don't know, spicy nuts, spicy
Speaker 1: this will? You know? Did a great job. This was
Speaker 1: her directorial debut, I believe on our show. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so, I think just all together, I think this
Speaker 1: was the first i'm she ever directed anything. Well, um,
Speaker 1: I I don't really know where to start. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: our episode begins with with Lucas quoting George Elliott, who
Speaker 1: we were like, I hope people at home know that
Speaker 1: George Eliott is a woman. It's a woman, a girl
Speaker 1: named George, A girl named George. Very apropos for us.
Speaker 1: I loved I loved that quote. You know, last week
Speaker 1: we talked about our experiences with grief. And it's not
Speaker 1: lost on me that that quote talks about the first
Speaker 1: time you grieve and how hard it can be because
Speaker 1: you have not yet experienced suffering and then the healing
Speaker 1: um to have despaired and recovered hope, so you don't
Speaker 1: know that there's hope on the other side of loss.
Speaker 1: And to think back on, you know, not just how
Speaker 1: young these characters are, but what it was like when
Speaker 1: you experienced your first grief. It's a really profound observation,
Speaker 1: and it it felt so fitting in that scene between
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan, you know, when they debut the Keith
Speaker 1: Scott patches and the black jerseys and and everybody's just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to process and carry this experience.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gorgeous. This feels like this should
Speaker 1: have been the last episode. Yeah, well joy. That was
Speaker 1: my initial impulse to just like, wait a second, I
Speaker 1: thought we had fun last week. And then the more
Speaker 1: I thought about it, the more I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: grief is like the up and down and up and
Speaker 1: down and up and down. Grief is instability, you know,
Speaker 1: and so it's not linear. You're going to bounce back
Speaker 1: and forth between like I'm okay, I'm not okay, And
Speaker 1: to see Lucas do that. You know, we saw him
Speaker 1: with his crowd last episode, and this episode begins with
Speaker 1: him very much by himself, um and more. You know,
Speaker 1: used the staging of these scenes to show him isolating,
Speaker 1: and I've done that. I think we've all done that, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you just don't it's so hard to figure out
Speaker 1: where to put it grief, like where do you where
Speaker 1: do you put it? What's shelf do you put it on?
Speaker 1: And you have to keep taking it down to re
Speaker 1: examine it and put it back on the same shelf,
Speaker 1: maybe a different shelf. It's like emotionally, we're just kind
Speaker 1: of it's just so hard to figure out where it goes,
Speaker 1: how it fits in your new day to day life.
Speaker 1: Um So I think we see some of that in
Speaker 1: this episode. I love that his reaction was I respect
Speaker 1: this game, I respect all of you. Tell me why
Speaker 1: it matters right now? Like yeah, yeah, I went to
Speaker 1: a point last year where everybody was dropping dead around
Speaker 1: me and I nothing mattered, like and I would have
Speaker 1: to fake it. I would have to be like, no,
Speaker 1: this job is important or this thing that I have
Speaker 1: to do is important, or going to this meeting is important,
Speaker 1: and it was all pretend because your brain is just
Speaker 1: like what are we doing? Um? So I think it's
Speaker 1: important when we do heavy subject matter on our show
Speaker 1: and we're modeling, we're modeling grief for the audience at
Speaker 1: home that's also trying to figure out how to do it.
Speaker 1: That's an important question, like why do these things matter?
Speaker 1: M hmm yeah. And when you're in it, it is
Speaker 1: very hard to feel anything outside of it, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember having that feeling when I was in college.
Speaker 1: My mom got sick and suddenly it was time to
Speaker 1: take mid terms and I was taking theater classes and
Speaker 1: creative writing, and I was like, are you all kidding?
Speaker 1: What does this meant? You want to come to class
Speaker 1: and take a test? Like everything felt so impossible to
Speaker 1: care about because one of the people I care about
Speaker 1: the most was in a period of an uncertain future.
Speaker 1: And when you're it kind of I remember feeling like
Speaker 1: I had been picked up and like dropped out of
Speaker 1: my reality and into a different one. You know, when
Speaker 1: you watch a nature show and like a giant bird
Speaker 1: picks up a fish and then drops it, Like there
Speaker 1: are outdoors women Sophia. When I was fly fishing in Montana,
Speaker 1: I was like, I felt like a fish that had
Speaker 1: been grabbed by an eagle, and I was no longer
Speaker 1: in a river that was dying in the rocks. Right.
Speaker 1: But suddenly you're like where. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: even get back to where I was? Like where was I?
Speaker 1: Where am I now? And and it it does matter
Speaker 1: so much when you can't feel it to have somebody
Speaker 1: look at you and say, let me tell you what
Speaker 1: is true, because you will come back to this even
Speaker 1: if you can't be here now. And Whitey does that
Speaker 1: for Lucas he serves as that tether two. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say the real world, but to the connected world.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was really beautiful, you know, to
Speaker 1: to zoom out a little bit. Our show was amazing
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but we certainly failed um
Speaker 1: in terms of accurately representing the diversity or experience of
Speaker 1: a place like North Carolina. And it was gorgeous to
Speaker 1: have Whitey tell a story that felt so true. You know,
Speaker 1: Barry at his age, having lived through the Civil rights
Speaker 1: movement and you know all of all of these big
Speaker 1: historical things that we often on the show would just
Speaker 1: ignore our our historical truths to have him tell a
Speaker 1: story that is so representative of the fact that it
Speaker 1: is often sports art music that breaks barriers, that welcomes
Speaker 1: people in first. However imperfectly. You know, those are often
Speaker 1: the the arenas where people have been welcomed first. And
Speaker 1: it I was just really I was really happy to
Speaker 1: see that we did that. It was a conversation that
Speaker 1: did kind of feel out of the blue. But when
Speaker 1: we consider what was going on in North Carolina at
Speaker 1: the time we were filming this um, there was well
Speaker 1: so in Wilmington's specifically during the civil rights movement there
Speaker 1: there was like there were huge race riots in Wilmington's
Speaker 1: UM in like the sixties, right, and there was a
Speaker 1: group called the Wilmington's Ten. They had tried to integrate
Speaker 1: the schools and UM. I would encourage anyone to do
Speaker 1: a deep dive on this history because it really is astounding.
Speaker 1: But Wilmington's Ten sent to prison. They were accused of,
Speaker 1: you know, inciting violence and all these things, UM, when
Speaker 1: really they were fighting for the freedom of their community.
Speaker 1: And while we were filming the governor we had at
Speaker 1: the time, Bev Perdue, finally officially pardoned them. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been living with like these felonies. And it was
Speaker 1: also the time period where, um, the eighteen massacre was
Speaker 1: still being called like the race war, so that difference,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a race war. Now the language makes such
Speaker 1: a difference. The language makes a huge difference. And it
Speaker 1: was when the memorial for that was going up in Wilmington's.
Speaker 1: So while we were filming our show, it was the
Speaker 1: first time Wilmington's was really kind of reckoning with their
Speaker 1: own history and we were surrounded by that, and it
Speaker 1: was very new, and everyone was very kind of trepidacious
Speaker 1: about like, what's what's the new language? What do we say?
Speaker 1: How do we acknowledge this? You know um? Because it
Speaker 1: is hard to call your parents or your grandparents or
Speaker 1: just the generations before you on the carpet and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys, got um. But it's an important thing to do.
Speaker 1: And so we were living in Wilmington's during a really
Speaker 1: interesting time in their history. So this conversation feels very
Speaker 1: you know relevant. If anyone hasn't been on the Wilmington's
Speaker 1: In Color tour, there's an amazing tour that takes you
Speaker 1: all over Wilmington's on a bus and shows you all
Speaker 1: these amazing historic sites that were ignored right up until
Speaker 1: when we were shooting our show and people started finally
Speaker 1: paying attention. That's great. I didn't know they were doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really cool. I love that. Will you guys recount
Speaker 1: a little bit about that conversation that Whitey has with
Speaker 1: Lucas Um not just for our listeners, but also for
Speaker 1: me a bit because I went downstairs to make a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee and I had somebody in the house
Speaker 1: who was talking to me, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: listen to the episode, but also and I really want
Speaker 1: to be a part of the conversation that we're having.
Speaker 1: But love it. Yeah. So, you know, Whitey, when Lucas says,
Speaker 1: tell me why this game is important, tells the story
Speaker 1: of how he got his nickname and talks about being
Speaker 1: a young boy on a high school team that was
Speaker 1: called the best team in town, but they knew there
Speaker 1: was a better team and it's the team who's gym
Speaker 1: they're playing in that faded logo of the Monarchs. As
Speaker 1: the story goes, the Monarchs were Entree Hill, you know,
Speaker 1: lower per our writers, the Black basketball team, and the
Speaker 1: black players and white players were kept completely segregated and
Speaker 1: we're not allowed to play each other. And they hosted
Speaker 1: a game. They essentially, like you know, went outside of
Speaker 1: the schedule and and hosted a game and played. And
Speaker 1: I have chills thinking about it. And so there's Barry
Speaker 1: Corbin as Whitey looking at Lucas talking about how he
Speaker 1: grew up and what the history was, and that they decided,
Speaker 1: you know, both teams to cross this barrier and play,
Speaker 1: and that the coach of the other team looked Barry
Speaker 1: in the eye and said, I'll take Whitey, and he
Speaker 1: said that's how I got my nickname. And I thought
Speaker 1: about it hearing him say it, you know, today watching
Speaker 1: the episode, because do y'all remember there was a diner
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's called White And I know the lore was
Speaker 1: that that's where Michael Jordan's used to like bus tables
Speaker 1: when he was in his school. YEP. So it all
Speaker 1: feels like, given the fact that the um truth was
Speaker 1: being told finally about the history, that that demands to
Speaker 1: call it what it was, a race massacre, not to
Speaker 1: call it a riot. You know, like we said, language matters, Um,
Speaker 1: and even that you know the stories we grew up
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's hearing about Michael Jordan and where he worked
Speaker 1: and where he played and all those things. It feels
Speaker 1: like they figured out a way to, obviously, in our
Speaker 1: fictional story, um, bring in some things that could make
Speaker 1: it all make sense for people. So how does that
Speaker 1: connect with the Lucas is saying, why does this all matter?
Speaker 1: So essentially what Barry, Barry what white he is saying
Speaker 1: to Lucas is this is how much basketball matters. We
Speaker 1: were a segregated state and we and we played together.
Speaker 1: And he says to him, you know that night, we
Speaker 1: weren't white players or black players. We were basketball players.
Speaker 1: And and when I think about, you know what, as
Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, what sports music, what we do?
Speaker 1: You know, acting has has meant when you think about
Speaker 1: the legacy of Jackie Robinson, when you think about um,
Speaker 1: you know, blues players traveling around America during segregated times,
Speaker 1: When you think about what it meant for you know,
Speaker 1: Sydney Potier to become Sydney Pottier like it is. It
Speaker 1: has often been in sports and creative industries where we
Speaker 1: have pushed boundaries. And again, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of imperfection there, but it felt so impactful to watch
Speaker 1: an adult say to a kid, this game that you're
Speaker 1: trying to reconcile with can be the thing that moves culture.
Speaker 1: It can heal history. You know that you can be
Speaker 1: a part of something that's bigger than just showing up
Speaker 1: and um and playing a game. It's not just a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Whitey says to Lucas, let the game heal you.
Speaker 1: That's the perspective that I liked because it's age giving advice.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the kid who is playing the game,
Speaker 1: Whitey at seventeen years old, getting that nickname, hanging out
Speaker 1: in the gym, doesn't know that he's doing something that
Speaker 1: will matter a lot to him as an old man.
Speaker 1: He's just playing with a bunch of dudes. And then
Speaker 1: it's as an old man, he's like, that meant a lot.
Speaker 1: It meant so much, and so for Lucas. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's that advice of just put one foot in
Speaker 1: front of another and the truth will reveal itself to
Speaker 1: you in time. The healing will reveal itself to you
Speaker 1: in time. You just have to go through the motions
Speaker 1: right now, just do that and and the story will
Speaker 1: unfold later. Um. That's so, that's such an intrinsic part
Speaker 1: of healing from grief is just putting one ft in
Speaker 1: front of the other. And we watch Karen do that
Speaker 1: in this episode as well as she's finding her way.
Speaker 1: How do I even just the action of slapping Whitey
Speaker 1: when he comes in and he says, whose fault is
Speaker 1: that that you didn't have Keith for longer than five minutes? Um,
Speaker 1: It's an action. It's like forcing her to do something
Speaker 1: instead of wander around in her robe and with the
Speaker 1: clothes all over the apartment and not being, um there
Speaker 1: for Lucas and not being there. Um. And I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to shame Karen's character in any way,
Speaker 1: but that behavior is very normal for grief. UM. Probably
Speaker 1: super necessary actually, but at some point you have to
Speaker 1: step out of it. And I love that he gets
Speaker 1: to be that voice of reason and love and uplifting
Speaker 1: and just like, I'm going to force you out of
Speaker 1: your comfort zone because you have to just keep moving um.
Speaker 1: And he wouldn't have known that if he hadn't had
Speaker 1: the life experience of doing that when he was a
Speaker 1: young man and isn't it funny how the things that
Speaker 1: we do when we're young that seemed like the hardest
Speaker 1: choices that we have to make, The things that we
Speaker 1: do that we think this is impossible, and then years
Speaker 1: later it actually ends up being some something that has
Speaker 1: the most impact on other people in our lives and
Speaker 1: communities because we were able to trailblaze in one area
Speaker 1: or another. I mean, I've had people in my life
Speaker 1: who went through things in their youth that trail blazed
Speaker 1: for me. So it's a huge blessing to be able
Speaker 1: to have the weight of grief and carry carry yourself
Speaker 1: and other people through that. Mm hmm. Karen saying I'm
Speaker 1: going to need some help, Oh dude. That that was
Speaker 1: the one that got me. That was right now, you
Speaker 1: just heating it, dude. I felt it in my bones.
Speaker 1: And then looking at each other that moment, those two
Speaker 1: women seeing each other, I'm going to need a lot
Speaker 1: of help. Good, You're going to get it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of running into your the both of
Speaker 1: your arms after Willie Garson died, because it was just
Speaker 1: a couple of days after that, we did our drama
Speaker 1: queens Um live stream and Sofa brought me flowers and
Speaker 1: Joy had brought me honey, and like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: difficult for me to admit that I need help. And
Speaker 1: so I love seeing that female friendship in our show.
Speaker 1: I love it. It matters. It matters that we help
Speaker 1: other women value that there's so many opportunities to be combative.
Speaker 1: We see it with Brooke and Rachel in this episode,
Speaker 1: and so to see the good soft stuff is so important.
Speaker 1: Go hug your girlfriends. Yeah, well, And I think it's
Speaker 1: also it's modeling that learning, you know, because something the
Speaker 1: three of us have in common is we really like
Speaker 1: to help the people we love, and we're all not
Speaker 1: great at asking for help for ourselves. Never never, ever,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I like that Our love language is
Speaker 1: I know you're not going to ask me for this,
Speaker 1: but here's the you know, whether it's a coffee or
Speaker 1: flowers or a random our text message or whatever like,
Speaker 1: And it's those it's those acts of love that I
Speaker 1: think have allowed us to become the friends who can
Speaker 1: look at each other and say, I do need this,
Speaker 1: Can you help me here? Will you talk to me now?
Speaker 1: Whatever it might be, And and I love seeing that.
Speaker 1: Dev just says I'm going to do it, and whenever
Speaker 1: she's ready, I'm going to be here. And finally, at
Speaker 1: the end of the episode, Karen comes in and essentially says,
Speaker 1: I'm ready now. That is that is a whole love language.
Speaker 1: It's clear that dev just got through like her boozy
Speaker 1: therapy or whatever she's been doing has she understands glowing,
Speaker 1: but she also knows like you can scream at me,
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to ask for help, even even in grief when
Speaker 1: it's like, of course it's the most obvious, or in injury, guys.
Speaker 1: I just I fell through a hole I met. It's
Speaker 1: a long story, but I really jacked up my foot.
Speaker 1: It looks like I went and put my foot through
Speaker 1: a joint garbage disposal, Like it's all sliced up. Where
Speaker 1: did you fall through a hole in my house? It's
Speaker 1: a bbe. Do we need to pick around your listen?
Speaker 1: My point is I've really messed up my foot and
Speaker 1: I had to travel three airports in two days um
Speaker 1: two days after afterwards, and it was really deep cuts,
Speaker 1: like the kind of cut that like when on medical
Speaker 1: show when they slice open you can like open up
Speaker 1: the skin and see down and the muscle. It was
Speaker 1: like a deep but I should have gotten stitches, but
Speaker 1: I didn't because it was eight o'clock at night and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not, like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: ask for help. I'm fine, put a band aid on it. Fine, yeah,
Speaker 1: give me some super glue. I'm fine. Um. And it
Speaker 1: was healing, but you know, gingerly. And so I had
Speaker 1: to I had to travel through these three airports with assistance,
Speaker 1: and it was really hard for me to just like,
Speaker 1: I just want to do things myself. I don't want
Speaker 1: to inconvenience anyone. I don't want anybody to feel like
Speaker 1: I'm uh, I don't know. It's a pride thing, like
Speaker 1: I want to prove that I can do things myself
Speaker 1: all the time. Like what is that, Well, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a don't think it's a mom thing. Don't be
Speaker 1: a baby, don't be a sister girl, be a tough girl.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. I also think it can be a
Speaker 1: bit of a reaction to what we do for a living.
Speaker 1: We show up where people tell us to. When they
Speaker 1: tell us to, we say what they tell us to.
Speaker 1: We eat when they say we can we pe when
Speaker 1: they tell us there's enough of a break to like
Speaker 1: make it all the way to the bathroom and all
Speaker 1: the way there. There is very little autonomy. Don't plan
Speaker 1: a vacation because you can't go on it. If they
Speaker 1: say you can't go, oh, I'm sorry. You can't go
Speaker 1: to the dentists until we wrap for this season? Are
Speaker 1: you sorry? Like there's no time for you to go
Speaker 1: business hours? And so I think there's really something too they,
Speaker 1: especially for independent people like the three of us, to
Speaker 1: like I can do it, I can do all of it.
Speaker 1: I got it, don't touch it, leave me alone. I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I think we we crave being able to do things
Speaker 1: ourselves because so much of our work life is so
Speaker 1: far outside of our control. So it can make I
Speaker 1: mean you, I mean the collective you, but certainly me
Speaker 1: how I'm raising my hand at this whatever anonymous meeting
Speaker 1: we're at like, I'm like, I got it, don't touch it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes people I love are like, are you okay?
Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? I'm like, I'm sorry. That
Speaker 1: is so interesting. So we've we've developed control issues because
Speaker 1: of the circumstance. I think job that is so interesting
Speaker 1: because that makes me think of when I'm on set.
Speaker 1: How you know how much actors hate a line reading
Speaker 1: when anybody interfered. I don't generally, I've kind of gotten
Speaker 1: over it at this point. I'm like, yeah, just tell
Speaker 1: me how you want me to say it. However, I'll
Speaker 1: make it my eye. Everybody wants to go home, just
Speaker 1: tell me what to do. But especially when you're young
Speaker 1: and you're finding your way and your artist's voice and
Speaker 1: you just want to yeah, when somebody else tells you
Speaker 1: how to And I used to get so worked up
Speaker 1: about it. It It was like, don't tell me where to stand,
Speaker 1: don't tell me how to say it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: do it my way because it was the only space
Speaker 1: that I had to just be free. So I was
Speaker 1: very protective over my free spaces. And I think that
Speaker 1: is really interesting that maybe why it's a lightbulb moment. Sophia,
Speaker 1: thank you any time I've I've thought about this a lot,
Speaker 1: and and it is really interesting, right, like the fact
Speaker 1: that nothing in your life when you are on set
Speaker 1: can you not only can you control, can you have
Speaker 1: any input on at all? Except your work. I mean
Speaker 1: when the cameras start rolling, then you're free. When the
Speaker 1: curtain goes up, you're free, yes, but I just mean
Speaker 1: the circumstances of your life, Like you cannot make a
Speaker 1: decision about when to leave your home. Somebody's there telling
Speaker 1: you where where you live. Like it's all it's so
Speaker 1: much of it is dictated for us. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's why we can be very territorial or protective
Speaker 1: about our autonomy because there's just not a lot of
Speaker 1: avenues for it. Is that every job though, Like if
Speaker 1: you work, if you're an accountant, if you work a
Speaker 1: desk job and you're like labeling blood samples at the
Speaker 1: medical whatever facility, like, don't you still have to you
Speaker 1: have hours, you have to show up. You have to
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes your job is location specific, Um you
Speaker 1: still have to. Uh, I don't know, there's lunch breaks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Joy, all these all these young kids are quiet
Speaker 1: quitting now, you know, Like the youngsters aren't following those
Speaker 1: rules anymore. God bless, they're just like we quit all
Speaker 1: those rules that you like Gen X millennials follow, don't
Speaker 1: be ridiculous. Yeah, it's interesting. I have like one person
Speaker 1: who's not in our industry that I get to talk
Speaker 1: to about this. My one of my best friend's sisters
Speaker 1: works in a corporate job where every year she has
Speaker 1: to move because of the track she's on for training
Speaker 1: because she's going to have like a very high powered,
Speaker 1: important job soon. And she's like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have no one I convent to about this. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you need more actor friends, babe, because we'll get We'll
Speaker 1: go to a meeting, and it's like, okay, well, in
Speaker 1: six days, you're moving to Canada and you have to
Speaker 1: figure it out, you know. So, yes, of course everybody
Speaker 1: has parameters, but not everybody's parameters or as batshit crazy
Speaker 1: as her industry. And there exactly, it's like you're going, sorry, oh,
Speaker 1: for the next six weeks, you're just going to be
Speaker 1: awake only at night. Good luck to you. Like girl,
Speaker 1: it just is what it is, okay. Well. I also
Speaker 1: think some of the aspect of the control is that
Speaker 1: when you are on set and someone is brushing your
Speaker 1: hair and someone was doing your makeup, and someone is
Speaker 1: putting clothes on you and maneuvering those clothes in between
Speaker 1: every take so that it matches the take before and
Speaker 1: you're being handled all the time, it can be I say, masculating,
Speaker 1: but but for women too. It takes your power away
Speaker 1: and it makes you feel pretty and like like a baby,
Speaker 1: you know, And I want so badly to prove that
Speaker 1: I can do it all. I can do it. So
Speaker 1: on my show that I do for Sunday, there's no
Speaker 1: hair and makeup team, there's nobody that's like holding cue
Speaker 1: cards from it. Like I was just like I could
Speaker 1: do it all myself, and I look terrible and I
Speaker 1: am wearing awful clothes that are right out of my closet,
Speaker 1: and I keen love it because I did it myself.
Speaker 1: And so it's like it's like a kindergartener that's like, no,
Speaker 1: I can dress myself. I realized that I'm my four
Speaker 1: year old daughter. That's like, what was that character on
Speaker 1: Mad TV Stewart? I can do it. I can do it.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Well, speaking of like evolving as
Speaker 1: a human, we have to address the Rachel storyline because
Speaker 1: it's an evolutionary thing. I feel very conflicted about Um,
Speaker 1: it's conflicting because of the bts on our show. It's
Speaker 1: not like I appreciate that any I mean, I'm always
Speaker 1: conflicted about somebody who wants to change who they are
Speaker 1: because it's who you are, but if you I also
Speaker 1: appreciate that, like if a girl's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: she wants to get a nose job, get a nose job,
Speaker 1: if it makes you feel better about yourself, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean joy, I agree. It's a context
Speaker 1: of what's going on behind the scenes and knowing the
Speaker 1: whole thing with our boss and like the way like
Speaker 1: that's kind of I think where the conflict for me
Speaker 1: mostly lies. Did it have to be a wait thing?
Speaker 1: Like what if Rachel had like a big mole removed,
Speaker 1: or what if she had like teeth that she didn't
Speaker 1: like or like it just always boiled down to wait
Speaker 1: with our boss. And it's such a cheap card to play,
Speaker 1: and it's inappropriate it and it could have been handled
Speaker 1: in such a beautiful way where you see a girl
Speaker 1: who's actually looks great and healthy and fine and she
Speaker 1: has this I'm spitballing. I don't know. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll go off track, and I hope I won't, but um,
Speaker 1: you know, if she she goes you know, we see
Speaker 1: Daniel who's beautiful and you know, has this amazing health
Speaker 1: about her as well. Um, but who talks about like
Speaker 1: why did I the way that I saw myself in
Speaker 1: the mirror. I went through all of this transformation. I
Speaker 1: went through so much pain because I didn't accept who
Speaker 1: I was and love who I was, And so I
Speaker 1: tried to love myself by changing myself in all these
Speaker 1: ways instead of just loving who I am. Um. I
Speaker 1: feel like that would be such an interesting journey to watch.
Speaker 1: I think it would be really interesting for someone to say, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought if I changed myself physically, i'd feel different.
Speaker 1: I feel the same. I just looked different that what
Speaker 1: I'm That's exactly, you know, like that. I've heard people
Speaker 1: say that, whether it's about by the way, something cosmetic
Speaker 1: or even like I colored my hair and I, you know,
Speaker 1: cut it all off and I did it, and like
Speaker 1: I don't feel any different. When when people move sometimes
Speaker 1: they say that, you know, I thought if I moved
Speaker 1: to X, I would feel different. And turns out like
Speaker 1: when you take where everything there are, yeah, there you are,
Speaker 1: you take, you take your belongings, and you take your
Speaker 1: problems like congratulations. I think it bothered me about this. Again,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be sixteen, you know, we were all
Speaker 1: in our mid twenties. But the paint brush that that
Speaker 1: man sort of used to paint this storyline. The things
Speaker 1: that they're talking about, gastric bypass, you know, implants, a
Speaker 1: nose job, and a bunch of other surgeries. She says, like,
Speaker 1: these are massive, the massive procedures that carry life threatening risk,
Speaker 1: and and they talked about them as ignorantly and casually
Speaker 1: as you know. Lindsay Graham talks about pregnancy like, pregnancy
Speaker 1: is a miracle. If you want to be a parent,
Speaker 1: it is what an unbelievable thing, Like, you guys gave
Speaker 1: birth to some of my favorite humans. They are human
Speaker 1: beings that are on the planet that didn't exist before
Speaker 1: you made them, Like, hello, it's a miracle. What drives
Speaker 1: me crazy is when men talk about pregnancy like it's
Speaker 1: just a casual stroll to the grocery store. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you want to know that the number one cause
Speaker 1: of aortic dissection in women under forty, Like, we're literally
Speaker 1: the largest artery in your body just explodes pregnancy, So
Speaker 1: let's be clear that the miracle comes with danger. I
Speaker 1: don't like when we treat like massive things that women
Speaker 1: go through as casual, and so this irks me in
Speaker 1: the same way yes, because the way we see ourselves
Speaker 1: in the mirror is a big thing. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: she didn't color her hair. You're saying she like opened
Speaker 1: up and cut up her body and broke her own bones.
Speaker 1: And you're acting like she went to the mall and
Speaker 1: bought a pair of shoes and and she's supposed to
Speaker 1: be sixteen. Like, can we have a second to to
Speaker 1: your point, joy, like having a deeper conversation about what
Speaker 1: society has done to us as girls and women to
Speaker 1: make us no matter what we look like. I feel
Speaker 1: like the way we look is wrong. Well, if you
Speaker 1: notice mouth's hole like diet tribe is I I, I,
Speaker 1: I I I and Lee God bless him. Sold It
Speaker 1: did a great job with the subject matter. But rather
Speaker 1: than focus on the girl who has traumatized herself physically
Speaker 1: and mentally, it's all about I could have loved that girl,
Speaker 1: I I I I think you're great. I feel his way.
Speaker 1: Maybe now that you actually were a nerd or are
Speaker 1: still a nerd deep inside, you'll like me too. It's
Speaker 1: all about him, which is how it's so basically the
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that pisces us off. Is it basically
Speaker 1: what our boss was saying is I'm mouth. I'm going
Speaker 1: to speak through mouth. I don't need you to be
Speaker 1: hot because I know what you know, like average girl,
Speaker 1: you are inside, and I'll love you even though you
Speaker 1: are average, and my validation should make you like yourself.
Speaker 1: You you you you guys like skin crawl. By the way,
Speaker 1: I would have thought an effective storyline was to see
Speaker 1: Rachel like, not that different, but she thinks the picture
Speaker 1: is terrible, Like, oh my god, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's all in her head, That's what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: what you see, you know, when you end up with
Speaker 1: a eating disorder, what you see in the mirror is
Speaker 1: completely different than what is actually there. It's totally warped.
Speaker 1: And that would have been interesting to see her mortified
Speaker 1: by an old photo that doesn't look that different and
Speaker 1: to understand that that's what body dysmorphia, right right, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, there's the woman. Where's the woman in the room? Yeah,
Speaker 1: m well, anyway that said, I love watching like teen
Speaker 1: shows now because this dumb body stuff is just so different,
Speaker 1: Like I love I love how different it is for
Speaker 1: our kids. You know, it's just a much different conversation.
Speaker 1: So bravo. Yeah, it's you know, it's great that it's
Speaker 1: great that it's a it's a really an awareness conversation
Speaker 1: for girls now too that um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: when we were younger, it was easy for it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: don't eat that, you'll get fat. It was just said
Speaker 1: and nobody you know what I mean, and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, and in everybody. We were reading all those
Speaker 1: teen magazines and it was all about the language. Again.
Speaker 1: The language was just so uh unhelpful. It was very
Speaker 1: black and white. It was just like, of course there's
Speaker 1: a concern, um, And I've I have my own child
Speaker 1: and we've gone through our own journey of trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the healthy ways to eat. And uh, you
Speaker 1: know how, I know you've got healthy ways to eat
Speaker 1: and things going on in your house too with your kids.
Speaker 1: And for girls, because I'm raising a girl, it's become
Speaker 1: really important that those conversations, especially during the pandemic, we're
Speaker 1: all sitting around. We were sitting around and getting fat.
Speaker 1: It was happening. There was like extra fat on our
Speaker 1: bodies that we didn't need and that was killing our energy.
Speaker 1: And to be able to like communicate to her, let's
Speaker 1: get strong let's get healthy, let's have more energy. It
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with whether you look at what
Speaker 1: you look like. It has to do with how you
Speaker 1: feel and how you're energy is on the inside. And
Speaker 1: I think it's also I can't imagine what it would
Speaker 1: have been like to be in the moment where in
Speaker 1: now when we were making our show, where it's like, also,
Speaker 1: what is your body? Your bodies are built different, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, It's something that I actually think is very cool. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, she's a supermodel, but Emily Radatowski talks a
Speaker 1: lot about this about what people think of her body
Speaker 1: and the way people think they own her body because
Speaker 1: her body is part of her work. And and she
Speaker 1: you know, I read this thing where she talked about
Speaker 1: how she casts for her swimwear campaigns, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I know what my body is. It's part of my job. Also,
Speaker 1: I was just born like this. But she casts women
Speaker 1: and like they'll be women with ten drastically different body types,
Speaker 1: like thin women and big women, and and they're all
Speaker 1: wearing the same bikini. And I'm like, thank you, because
Speaker 1: all the trying ever showed, Yeah, all we were ever
Speaker 1: shown was like the roxy moss Kate Moss, like it
Speaker 1: was one kind of body and now it's like, no,
Speaker 1: if you want to wear this bathing suit, put it
Speaker 1: on your body, and then it's a bathing suit for
Speaker 1: your body. You're welcome. I love I love that we're
Speaker 1: finally and look, I'm not going to pretend the beauty
Speaker 1: industry isn't like a toxic mess, but I just love
Speaker 1: that we're finally seeing people just be who they are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've managed I mean in my house, we through that
Speaker 1: period of suddenly becoming aware of our health, how food
Speaker 1: affects our body and our energy levels and our strength. Um,
Speaker 1: we've managed to sidestep the whole body dysmorphia issue that
Speaker 1: we were just talking about where she just has no
Speaker 1: awareness of it. She's just like happy and chill and
Speaker 1: like you know she you know, when we talked about eating,
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't really want those carbs, and I'm
Speaker 1: like why, She's like, because they slow me down. I
Speaker 1: don't feel good when I eat him. I want him
Speaker 1: in the morning. I want a good fat, Like, give
Speaker 1: me an avocado. It's and it's because it's all about
Speaker 1: the ingredients, the health, the energy. It's not about what
Speaker 1: I look like, well, you want that those first conversations
Speaker 1: to be with you and not some kid at school.
Speaker 1: Because I a magdeal and Gus's friends. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I have become a mom that other children text, and
Speaker 1: I take it. I'm the like Jeffrey and I are
Speaker 1: both getting text messages from Gus's friends at like odd hours, really,
Speaker 1: and I love it, but it's it makes me nervous
Speaker 1: because I'm like, am I giving good advice to these kids?
Speaker 1: And I found out that there's a pack of girls
Speaker 1: at Gus's school who count their calories at lunch and
Speaker 1: if you eat more than a hundred calories, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's like this whole thing. And so I've got
Speaker 1: them coming there and be like some moms are really
Speaker 1: tender with it, and they're like, hey, this is bad.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't do this, and I am more
Speaker 1: of a hamm mer and I'm just like, that's bullshit.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. You told the only girls I
Speaker 1: said it's bullshit. You know, like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to handle it necessarily other than to be like angry
Speaker 1: about it. Um, but it's happening right now with our kids,
Speaker 1: and you want their first conversations about that to be
Speaker 1: with a grown up that they trust, Um, Rachel having
Speaker 1: to talk about it with mouth and and make light
Speaker 1: of it. So it's to kind of be like, it's fine,
Speaker 1: I like myself, this is who I am. Um. I
Speaker 1: didn't like that. He kept being like, you don't like yourself,
Speaker 1: You don't like yourself. I know you don't like yourself.
Speaker 1: I see through you. Yeah, that bug me. It was
Speaker 1: also creepy to me and you you said it. You know,
Speaker 1: this was a storyline in this episode where our boss
Speaker 1: was trying to talk to a girl he had a
Speaker 1: crush on and doing it through another character, and it
Speaker 1: was gross and it was it was It was a
Speaker 1: heavy episode for that influence because he also cast himself
Speaker 1: as Pete Wentz's manager to talk to you on the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hearing his voice like you guys, I started sweating. I
Speaker 1: got like nauseous. I haven't had to hear that voice
Speaker 1: in a long time, honestly, like like I haven't heard that. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was gross and that was gross. And it's like
Speaker 1: you're at five year old dude who's married, So sorry
Speaker 1: to her, but you know, what are you doing? Like
Speaker 1: why why are you doing this with a bunch of
Speaker 1: twenty year old kids that you employ. Like, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, but any other show it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, creators do make cameos all the
Speaker 1: time and shows. It's not a big deal. It's just
Speaker 1: when they're like, sorry, maybe I know no quiet part
Speaker 1: out loud. No, that is my point though, the context
Speaker 1: that's the throwing us off here. Yeah, it's yucky. It
Speaker 1: does not hold up what else happened in this episode.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm trying because we were. We were did
Speaker 1: such a nice job directing. I love that scene in
Speaker 1: the gym where the slow mos stuff slow basketball. Who
Speaker 1: knew it was gorgeous in that old gym. It was
Speaker 1: so vintage looking and just and like that beautiful shot.
Speaker 1: She did this amazing shot of Nathan coming down the
Speaker 1: court to make that basket, and then it cut to
Speaker 1: Lucas walking out of the gym, but they were basically
Speaker 1: walking the same path but like he was. Nathan was
Speaker 1: still on the court and Lucas was walking out, but
Speaker 1: they were in a line. That was beautiful, very cool.
Speaker 1: That must have been so hard to shoot, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: to have those double doors open wide up and to
Speaker 1: be calling action on the inside and have Chad on
Speaker 1: the outside. And you know, I likeegraphy, the ambitious shots
Speaker 1: that my too well. And you know, we had guys
Speaker 1: on the crew with like fishing line pulling those doors open.
Speaker 1: Chad walked out of them like they just kept opening,
Speaker 1: and like that was fully a nice little sneak. You
Speaker 1: also want to talk about Larry's dad moment. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It was so good, you guys. Literally my post it
Speaker 1: says Larry is the best dad. I love being parented.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. I forced myself to go
Speaker 1: get a facial the other day and this older woman
Speaker 1: called me my darling and my sweet girl the whole time,
Speaker 1: and you guys, she had to wipe the tears out
Speaker 1: of my eyes because I was just like, okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: So this energy, this Larry energy, like I wish we'd
Speaker 1: had it all the time. Because the response of Peyton
Speaker 1: and Brook is like perfect. We've seen these kids doing
Speaker 1: all this growing up. We're going to bars, we're going
Speaker 1: to sun kiss parties, we're drinking, we're you know, holding
Speaker 1: up with rock stars whatever, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're kids. It's again. It just brings it, brings it
Speaker 1: right back down to earth, and yeah, we're getting curfus
Speaker 1: and we're getting some instruction. He's talking about what kind
Speaker 1: of man would be good enough for his daughter, for
Speaker 1: these girls, what you should be looking for. You know
Speaker 1: when when when you guys have that final scene and
Speaker 1: he says he wants you to pick someone because of
Speaker 1: what he is, not what he does. Oh, it's it's
Speaker 1: beautiful and and it is the parenting that's been missing
Speaker 1: for That's that's what got me. It was that's what's
Speaker 1: been missing because Karen hasn't been able to parent, Barbara
Speaker 1: has been gone. Keith has always been that voice, that
Speaker 1: parenting voice everyson, there's a void and we needed that.
Speaker 1: I was like thirsty for it, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: it until he said, listen, here's the rules. This is
Speaker 1: how it's gonna go. And by the way, boundaries chefs
Speaker 1: kiss him, walking over and opening the closet door and saying, Brook,
Speaker 1: you need to find another hot dad fantasy and then
Speaker 1: walking out of the room. Dude, I was embarrassed, so embarrassing,
Speaker 1: I was like turning red by the way I turned red.
Speaker 1: But I also was like, Larry, you're still hot. I'm
Speaker 1: watching you be hot right now. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you know, spoiler for the end of the episode. It
Speaker 1: all you know, he gives all those like fabulous speeches
Speaker 1: and he's like love a guy for the man he
Speaker 1: is right, and it's just like, okay, daddy. You know,
Speaker 1: like you can tell that Peyton has a dad thing
Speaker 1: because the next closest thing to her dad is Jake.
Speaker 1: The girl Dad's like, it's that dad, It's like but
Speaker 1: it was no contest. It was like, Yeah, why am
Speaker 1: I going to go fly to hang out with some
Speaker 1: rock star who buys me a ticket and expects me
Speaker 1: a high school or to get on a plane and
Speaker 1: come hang out and wait for him backstage with his groupies?
Speaker 1: I mean, when that's what I would have gotten out
Speaker 1: of it. Why would I do that when there's a
Speaker 1: perfectly good, exactly who my dad is talking about man
Speaker 1: waiting for me. Yeah. And I think it's Larry's speech
Speaker 1: about who you want to be with and what kind
Speaker 1: of relationship you want to be in and and what
Speaker 1: really makes it worth it that makes Payton admit to herself,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to move on from Jake. Why don't
Speaker 1: I just go get Jake. Yeah, he respects her. Jake's
Speaker 1: always respected Peyton. You know, it's like, oh you like
Speaker 1: someone else, Okay, cool. But She's like, if I'm about
Speaker 1: to get on a plane, if I'm actually willing to
Speaker 1: get on a plane for a guy, who's the guy
Speaker 1: I'm willing to get on a plane for? It? Like
Speaker 1: al screwed up? Was it though that she took the
Speaker 1: Pete went sticket and went to look up with a
Speaker 1: different dude? Did she get that? No, she totally takes.
Speaker 1: Like Pete leaves her a ticket at the airport and
Speaker 1: she just, you know, transfers the plane somewhere else. That's
Speaker 1: that's such a high school girl move right, Like it
Speaker 1: don't get me in trouble is my thing. It's like, dude, like,
Speaker 1: don't get me in trouble. That means that you don't
Speaker 1: respect me. You don't respect my dad. Like Pete should
Speaker 1: have called dad and been like, there's gonna be around
Speaker 1: the whole time and you can come to if you
Speaker 1: want to. Mr Sawyer up to the house in a
Speaker 1: limo one in the morning or whatever. Come on, Yet,
Speaker 1: poor Pete. Did anything else happen in this episode? There
Speaker 1: was something I'm forgetting right now. There was a thing
Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley didn't really do anything, laid in bed
Speaker 1: and your little relation. Oh, I know, it's the Rachel
Speaker 1: line about her age with Cooper. Cooper says, I'm dating
Speaker 1: this twenty six year old model. She's back from New York,
Speaker 1: how sitting for her family? And then it's Rachel, don't
Speaker 1: don't I loved them together? Um, they had great chemistry. Yeah? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: and also I feel really cheated that we didn't get
Speaker 1: Cooper in the later years for Brooke to hook up with,
Speaker 1: because that would have just complicated the whole Rachel Brooke
Speaker 1: Cooper love triangle. So fine, it would have been so fun.
Speaker 1: I was ever ever ever Oh my god, he's so cool,
Speaker 1: but he also has to sit down and have an
Speaker 1: after school special. Honestly, Brooke got robbed of Cooper and mouse. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 1: they took all your toys and gave them to Rachel.
Speaker 1: Are you a little bit? Are you just? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm mostly upset that that they wanted me in Danille
Speaker 1: to fight all the time because we had so much
Speaker 1: fun together. But you know, I couldn't would have shut up.
Speaker 1: Those are my what ifs. Okay, Rachel Cooper mouth, those
Speaker 1: are brooks? What ifs? Good? Yeah? Man. Then I definitely
Speaker 1: lied about my age when I met Jeffrey, So there's
Speaker 1: a part of me that sympathized you did. I told
Speaker 1: him I was thirty because I was never going to
Speaker 1: see him again. I was like, whatever, alright, see you later, boss.
Speaker 1: And so then when we were together for a couple
Speaker 1: of months and it was my birthday, Nick, my best
Speaker 1: friend who you guys know from Wilmington's, was like, twenty
Speaker 1: seven club and jeffs real funny, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: be twenty something forever? And I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I messed up. I'm twenty seven for real. Um, which
Speaker 1: is majorly different than lying and saying you're twenty six
Speaker 1: when your seventeen. Yeah, a little different. What you know,
Speaker 1: Rachel's Rachel, Rachel's going to Rachel's going to Rachel girl stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we have a bad girl. Um yeah, what
Speaker 1: else did happen? I don't know. I can't think of
Speaker 1: anything else. Well, you know what is interesting? And I
Speaker 1: thought that Lee did such a beautiful job with this.
Speaker 1: We are in this Brooke and Rachel conflict thing, and
Speaker 1: you know, this terrible writing with these photos trying to
Speaker 1: I just that bothered me so much. I still get
Speaker 1: that nauseous feeling that I had when I read it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be you know, this girl bullying
Speaker 1: another girl. I think that this is horrible, but you know,
Speaker 1: we don't have control over this. Commit to the material,
Speaker 1: and you gotta commit. And it really hit me when
Speaker 1: Mouth yells at Brook and says, did you learn nothing
Speaker 1: from Jimmy's death? You know this idea that we have
Speaker 1: to be kinder to each other? And and there is
Speaker 1: really something I think when you're young and someone has
Speaker 1: hurt you or betrayed you where you want to you
Speaker 1: want to get back at them sports And for Mouth
Speaker 1: to say like, we're supposed to have learned, We're supposed
Speaker 1: I know she's done all this terrible ship too, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We're supposed to have learned to not be
Speaker 1: like this to each other. And you know, I thought
Speaker 1: that that was beautiful. And for as much as the
Speaker 1: writing he was given in those scenes with her was
Speaker 1: very flawed, it definitely makes it so sad when he
Speaker 1: shows up at our house at the end, and Brooks right,
Speaker 1: and just like that hit me for for mouth, Brooks
Speaker 1: definitely right. I mean it was not lost on me
Speaker 1: that what was going on behind the scenes was, you know,
Speaker 1: Danielle had started dating her husband, like the super hot, nude,
Speaker 1: super hot dude that everyone had a crush on, and
Speaker 1: our boss was like, I will be the girl that
Speaker 1: brings flowers and you reject me, and everyone's going to
Speaker 1: be on my side. You're gonna look like real asshole
Speaker 1: for not picking me. And then we were like, no,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I know, and I know that you didn't
Speaker 1: like that Brooke went down that road for this episode,
Speaker 1: but I like it for Brooke for the sake of
Speaker 1: character consistency that she lives out loud, she lives messy,
Speaker 1: and that's how we learn and grow. No one is perfect.
Speaker 1: You have to make those kinds of mistakes that are
Speaker 1: hard and embarrassing and you look back on you cringe.
Speaker 1: I mean so many moments like that in my life.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have grown if I didn't make stupid
Speaker 1: mistakes and hurt people's feelings and like do dum well
Speaker 1: and if people who love you, It's like we all
Speaker 1: need the mouth in our life. That's like, you mean,
Speaker 1: an asshole? Yeah, you know, taking it too far? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because sometimes you need somebody to look at you and say,
Speaker 1: I get that you're in pain. That doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: should put your pain on other people. M h. And
Speaker 1: we we need that and and yeah, enjoy. You're right.
Speaker 1: It's I think some of the things that were so
Speaker 1: gringe e to me that Brooke had to do, we're
Speaker 1: also really important for her to do, because it's not
Speaker 1: just that we need people to model good things for us.
Speaker 1: We need people to model bad things for us so
Speaker 1: that we don't do those things. Yeah, that's right, especially
Speaker 1: people that we love, Characters that we love who we
Speaker 1: can see them have flaws just like us. So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love her and she messes up. I can love
Speaker 1: myself because I mess up, but it's all right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, let's do a listener question. What do
Speaker 1: we got? We have one here that says it's from
Speaker 1: Anne Hi ann. Oh. This is funny because I said
Speaker 1: this when it came on. I said, oh, it's nice
Speaker 1: to hear Gavin's voice again. She asks, when you hear
Speaker 1: Gavin Degrass song, I don't want to be which wasn't
Speaker 1: what I was talking about in this episode was a
Speaker 1: different song with Heap. Anyway, she said, what is your
Speaker 1: relationship to the song? How do you feel when the
Speaker 1: song suddenly comes on the radio. Do you get emotional happy?
Speaker 1: Sad um? I want to turn it off immediately, do
Speaker 1: you really? I'm just like, I don't want to think
Speaker 1: about it. It is like the number one grocery store song,
Speaker 1: like number one babe, immediately embarrassed. I feel like they're
Speaker 1: popping us, like when we're going Yeah, when it comes on,
Speaker 1: You're like, is this happening on purpose? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Who's who's up there? Who's up there in like the
Speaker 1: grocery store office looking through that two way mirror, like
Speaker 1: the one Tree Hill cast members have landed. Play the
Speaker 1: song now listen. So I was driving Gus to school
Speaker 1: the other day and there's that pop two KS serious
Speaker 1: radio station, and they're talking about how they're going to
Speaker 1: start like playing soundtracks from the two zones and they
Speaker 1: list like ten things I Hate about You from the
Speaker 1: like late nineties, two thousands. They're listing all these movies
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, yeah, cool, that's laps cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm into this, and then they said what Tree Hill
Speaker 1: And they were like, our favorite soundtracks and you know
Speaker 1: you hear like a Little Happened to Grow soundclip. I
Speaker 1: was like, guys, we made it. We made the Cool
Speaker 1: Kids soundtrack made it. I like it. It's funny. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine it being sad. It's definitely context dependent. But
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, oh, that's usually how I feel. It's
Speaker 1: a little like cutie. Um. I feel that too, But
Speaker 1: then I want to turn it off. I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to the whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: like when Stars Go Blue comes on, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: turn it off. Yeah, I get that. I think if
Speaker 1: I'm like, if someone sends me a funny, I feel
Speaker 1: like we send these to each other all the time,
Speaker 1: like a you know, some Instagram reel or like a
Speaker 1: TikTok or something, and the song is on it and
Speaker 1: it's hilarious, Like I can't get enough of I don't
Speaker 1: think it's amazing. If we're in public, I eat the
Speaker 1: grocery store immediately, I'm like, is anyone waiting for me? Like?
Speaker 1: If I see someone looking at me when the song
Speaker 1: comes on in public, then I'm mortified because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what reaction you want for me, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you the one you want
Speaker 1: because I can't read your mind and I have to
Speaker 1: disappear now into the hole in the floor that I'm
Speaker 1: going to will to appear. But for my exit, what
Speaker 1: if for arguments sake, from this moment on, we do
Speaker 1: the exact opposite, Like what if from now on we
Speaker 1: want to do just air guitar like a flash mob
Speaker 1: where we are just marching up and down the aisles
Speaker 1: of the grocery store, singing it loud, bringing in everyone else.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should just go big or go
Speaker 1: home at this point, like, yeah, you know the words
Speaker 1: sitting with me, what can you imagine? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: can you imagine any other show like the actor hearing
Speaker 1: their theme song in the grocery store being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love this song. This is my show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to have a better sense of humor. Al right.
Speaker 1: From here on out, I'm gonna we're gonna go Instagram
Speaker 1: live next time we hear that's it, Instagram Live immediately,
Speaker 1: no matter what. The grocery store and they're playing our song,
Speaker 1: it's happening. We maybe upset ourselves up there whale, somebody
Speaker 1: spin a wheel and I deal with fortune. Most likely
Speaker 1: to save you from a bad blind date, either of
Speaker 1: you girls. Honestly, you'd both be really good at it
Speaker 1: in totally different ways. I've done it. Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like I probably I mean, no offense Hillary.
Speaker 1: I probably would call Sophia. She's better, She's a better liar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like, you know what it is for me, Like,
Speaker 1: don't ask me to help you plan a surprise party.
Speaker 1: I'll screw it up. But if if I can help,
Speaker 1: like if that's can't counsel mode for me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? What time is it? Let's make
Speaker 1: a plan. I'll set an alarm on. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm going to text you, and if you answer this way,
Speaker 1: I know you're happy. And if you answer this way,
Speaker 1: I know it's going badly. And then what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do is it's like a choose your own adventure book
Speaker 1: that we're writing in real time, Like what is more
Speaker 1: fun than I'm just gonna text you B B D
Speaker 1: and the name of the restaurant or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That's it. I feel like you would have like a
Speaker 1: helicopter with a rope ladder like within like, you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes, the restaurant's gonna bring me a phone, a
Speaker 1: rotary phone, to the table and be like you've got
Speaker 1: a call. You have a call Mam on the landline?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, yeah, it's probably I mean, it's
Speaker 1: probably also a brook Davis skill set. Um, although like
Speaker 1: like a twine on is oh good call? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean Antoine put me in my very first Uber ever
Speaker 1: and that blew my mind. It was like years ago
Speaker 1: in Paris, and he was like, we have to get
Speaker 1: you out of this situation. And he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna order a car on my phone with this new
Speaker 1: fangled thing called Uber. And I was like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Like, am I going to get home alive? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he just like it had gotten
Speaker 1: overwhelming where we were and next thing you know, I'm
Speaker 1: like safely tucked into my room and Anson handled it.
Speaker 1: I love Antoine. Yeah, yeah, you can count on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's definitely a person that you know you can call
Speaker 1: he's ready. Yeah, that's it. Um, alright, guys, I feel
Speaker 1: like this was a good episode. I'm glad we sorted
Speaker 1: out all the after school special moments in this episode.
Speaker 1: Next episode, Season three, episode twenty, every day is a
Speaker 1: Sunday evening. I have no idea. What's coming, do you? Hopefully?
Speaker 1: I mean a little Jake. Yeah, we're gonna have Jake.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a little wedding prep. Yeah, maybe some
Speaker 1: maybe some Brook and Haley. Uh, I want to design
Speaker 1: your wedding dress more? Yeah, Oh my god, don't I
Speaker 1: put you in a dress with like a terrible maleficent
Speaker 1: caller at some point? Or did I do that already?
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe you did? You do it because
Speaker 1: it's just it was a surprise because it was like
Speaker 1: we got married. Okay, maybe this is it. It's coming up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some amusing fashion maleficent collar now I
Speaker 1: wish I had. That's my next Halloween costume. I'll mix
Speaker 1: male efficent hule. All right. I love you guys next week.
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