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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 2: Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You guys have been clamoring for it.

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Speaker 2: A new prospect update, and as you can see, we

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Speaker 2: just dropped their new top thirty for every team in

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Speaker 2: prospects in all of Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: Up thirty. Matt, Thank you for joining the show. How

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Speaker 2: have you been it's been It's been a little bit though. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey guys, yeah, thanks for having me back on

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Speaker 3: doing good, enjoying the baseball season, and like you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: those June updates are so crucial to staying up to

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Speaker 3: staying up to speed on everything going on, so crucial.

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Speaker 4: By this point in the minor league season, we're at

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Speaker 4: same point as major league seasons.

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Speaker 5: We've learned a lot about.

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Speaker 4: New players, hitters, pitchers, but I do want to start

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Speaker 4: this episode talking about two of the I don't know

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Speaker 4: if the highest riser is the mess prospect in the

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Speaker 4: mess pool, but definitely two of the most exciting players pitchers,

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Speaker 4: Noel McLean and Jonah Tong two guys who are starting

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Speaker 4: to get national acclaim.

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Speaker 5: Two guys who are.

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Speaker 4: Really jumping into most top hundred lists across all the

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Speaker 4: different platforms. What have you seen this season, if anything,

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Speaker 4: that's different from either McLeay r Tongue, And besides that

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Speaker 4: is what you see as possible pathways to the major

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Speaker 4: leagues for either for them, be it this year or

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Speaker 4: next season.

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Speaker 3: I think tong is the more notable for a couple

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Speaker 3: of reasons. Number one is the stark improvement to his

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Speaker 3: that he lacked last season, and as well as the

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Speaker 3: dominance against double A hitters. You know, having a swing

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Speaker 3: believe since his signing age was nineteen, he will be

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Speaker 3: a forty man eligible player this offseason, so he's somebody

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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised to see later in the year.

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Speaker 3: For those reasons. McLean exceptional breaking pitch, maybe one of

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Speaker 3: But we see him this year, probably not based on

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Speaker 1: For a guy like McLean.

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Speaker 2: When we saw Brandon Sproute get called up to Triple A,

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Speaker 1: He was the guy that everybody.

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Speaker 2: Was excited about that we saw him get to Triple

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Speaker 2: we just not seeing that with Nolan MacLean right now.

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Speaker 2: He's still got that same kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Mets are good at teaching, making sure every pitcher can

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Speaker 4: Is there has there been a lot of growth with

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Speaker 3: Know, I don't have an answer for you on that

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Speaker 2: In terms of other guys towards the top of this

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Speaker 2: because I mean, this guy's I feel like, been a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty seventeen, signee, I've ranked him eight times in

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Speaker 3: the Prospect Handbook. You might have graduated a couple of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going on two owners, five managers, six general managers,

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Speaker 4: with Ronnie Burisio still being a Mets overall top ten prospect.

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Speaker 5: Have you seen anything.

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Speaker 3: Who was the GM in twenty seventeen when he signed Alderson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, based on the turbulence of the Mets front offices

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Speaker 4: think Mark Viegel's injury pushed their head. What have you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible power. You know, of course field helps a

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Speaker 3: were looking at specifically at chase rate on both sides.

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Speaker 3: Did you have those numbers handy?

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Speaker 4: So this is not including last night's gale, because me

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Speaker 4: through the small sample, I think it was eight games

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Speaker 4: So follow up on this, does anyone ever stop switch?

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Speaker 4: I think, can he just be? Can he just be

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Speaker 5: It is so much better from that Mullins, right, that's

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Speaker 3: That's the one, the one current example. I'm historically I'm

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Speaker 4: It actually almost accidentally makes Ronnie an incredible platoon partner

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Speaker 4: it's just it's been amazing watching him play these few

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Speaker 4: It's always so different, Like the national buzz around Ronnie's

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Speaker 3: And there's another element. I think in the postseason last year,

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Speaker 2: No, really looking forward to ron Maricio, like actually getting

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Speaker 2: to the top prospect in the system here with Jet Williams.

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Speaker 2: He's number fifty nine on the Top one hundred lists

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Speaker 3: No, I think this is more of the what we

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Speaker 4: just always just maintained the maximum value of a player.

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Speaker 4: Because Jet Williams playing shorts up every single day does

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Speaker 2: We loved it, you guys. When we get those uh.

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Speaker 3: he do enough to be a starter on a good

440
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Speaker 3: team or is he morphs to complementary outfielder. You know,

441
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Speaker 3: a guy who can if you can play center, his

442
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Speaker 3: chance has improved dramatically, you know, being able to because

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Speaker 3: if he's not, he's a corner guy where you want

444
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Speaker 3: more power and you might have to platoon him, so

445
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Speaker 3: that becomes risky in a hurry if you're have a winning.

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Speaker 4: Team moving through a couple of the other position players

447
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Speaker 4: inside the top fifteen here, I guess just outside of

448
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Speaker 4: the top fifteen. We so Elian Payana has debuted within

449
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Speaker 4: the Dominican Summer League in the past week. Not exactly

450
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Speaker 4: great results so far, but also he's literally a kid.

451
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Speaker 4: What has you guys seen or heard so far? Just

452
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Speaker 4: as scouting grays for ally Outpayna. What can be expected.

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Speaker 5: Over the next few years?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he's he was one of the brighter hitters

455
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Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty five signing class. I think you're

456
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Speaker 3: looking at the best case. You're looking at average two

457
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Speaker 3: above hit and power, you know, but he's he's as

458
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Speaker 3: far away as any player in the system right now.

459
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Speaker 3: And like Hayesu's baias when he's in the DSL, that's

460
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Speaker 3: where he started earning his stripes. He got off to

461
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Speaker 3: a fast start there. So maybe we'll see Paanya.

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Speaker 2: How to make some noise, How do you guys go

463
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Speaker 2: about ranking a guy like Elli on Paana? Like, how

464
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Speaker 2: do you even evaluate someone who's seventeen years old has

465
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Speaker 2: played fifteen games of professional baseball. Even that's insane to say, Like,

466
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Speaker 2: how do you compare him to someone like a Ryan

467
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Speaker 2: Clifford or Drew Gilbert who have played so many games

468
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Speaker 2: in the minor leagues?

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Speaker 3: No kidding? Yeah. Number one credit to Ben Bawdler who

470
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Speaker 3: tracks down all of this international amateur information to put

471
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Speaker 3: together these rankings, which it amazes me that he can

472
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Speaker 3: do that, and then you just kind of view the

473
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Speaker 3: upside potential and the likelihood of reaching it. So in

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Speaker 3: his case, he's a fifty fifty five future talent, but

475
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Speaker 3: extreme risk. So we have a little scale that we

476
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Speaker 3: can kind of assess players along those two data points.

477
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Speaker 4: After seeing the success over the last couple of seasons

478
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Speaker 4: of the McLean tongue Sproke joining the top five of

479
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Speaker 4: best prospects in your guys site, who could you see

480
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Speaker 4: is possibly the next pitcher that can make that big jump?

481
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Speaker 4: Anyone from a John at the Santucci to a Jack

482
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Speaker 4: Wenninger anywhere across double, a high, a low way, any.

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Speaker 5: Picture that could make a move similar to those players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are two good names. Let me take a

485
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Speaker 3: quick look here. Those will probably the top two Santucci

486
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Speaker 3: you know, great arm two way background background. Mets do

487
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Speaker 3: seem to like the players who have the two way backgrounds,

488
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Speaker 3: such as Benji McLean both hit and pitched in college.

489
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Speaker 3: Santucci did as a high schooler. You know, Anthony Nunez

490
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Speaker 3: is a is a reliever prospect, but he's he was

491
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Speaker 3: a position player until like halfway through twenty twenty four,

492
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Speaker 3: so his development is very interesting. He's got a legitimate cutter,

493
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Speaker 3: change up feel to spin, Like if he had better command,

494
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Speaker 3: I would be viewing him as a starter, but he's

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Speaker 3: he's already twenty four because he's he's he played professionally,

496
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Speaker 3: then got released and then went to play Division two

497
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Speaker 3: and then Mets signed him last year about a year ago.

498
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Speaker 3: He's in Double A as a believer, so I would

499
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Speaker 3: look out for him as a future major league believer.

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Speaker 2: What about Felipe de la Cruz, He was someone who

501
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Speaker 2: has just absolutely flown up and he's coming in number

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Speaker 2: twenty nine. I don't think there's necessarily anybody who's like

503
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Speaker 2: he's going to be the next big pitcher for the

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Speaker 2: New York Mets. But he's a left handed arm, which

505
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Speaker 2: obviously the Mets need, and he's been just kind of

506
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Speaker 2: dominant so far in the minors. Do we think there's

507
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Speaker 2: a chance he maybe gets a call at some point

508
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Speaker 2: as a left handed reliever for the Mets this season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think it's possible. It would have to

510
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Speaker 3: be the right circumstance that they would have a need,

511
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Speaker 3: and he'd have to be really in a groove at

512
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Speaker 3: Triple A. You know, good, good two seamer, good slider

513
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Speaker 3: to attack left handed hitters. The question is always going

514
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Speaker 3: to be how consistent can he be against right handed hitters, So,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe upside second left dia in a bullpen.

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Speaker 4: On of one of the favorites from this podcast so

517
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Speaker 4: far the season has been Raymond Gomez, the flamethrower who

518
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Speaker 4: started out Saint Lucy and has since moved up to Brooklyn,

519
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Speaker 4: went pretty viral by throwing one hundred four point five

520
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Speaker 4: mile an hour pitch.

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Speaker 5: About a month and a half ago.

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Speaker 4: In terms of UH, terms of prospects gathering for pictures

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Speaker 4: at this level with this kind of erratic profiles minor

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Speaker 4: league believers, I mean, he's also trying a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything more important than seeing someone actually be

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Speaker 4: able to throw something like one hundred and four one

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Speaker 4: hundred five miles an hour.

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Speaker 3: It's going to buy him all the chances he's going

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Speaker 3: to need, like only, nothing will hold him back from

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Speaker 3: from the major league. Some team will give him a

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Speaker 3: shot as long as he stays healthy and you continue

532
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Speaker 3: you're throwing hard, but you're like you're saying, like erratic.

533
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Speaker 3: It's been erratic so far. At High A.

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Speaker 4: There's a there's another flame thrower down there, someone who

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Speaker 4: came from the draft last year. Another favorite of this podcast,

536
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Speaker 4: another recurring guest, Ryan Lambert. He seems to be someone

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Speaker 4: that the organization is emphasize a quick movement up levels.

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Speaker 4: Already getting himself to big into it and closing some games.

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Speaker 4: There is he someone that can mix into the major

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Speaker 4: league bullpen? Possibly not this year, likely, but sooner than

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Speaker 4: most people think.

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think there's you know, as long

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Speaker 3: as he continues to get out and stay healthy. You know.

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Speaker 3: The big the big thing with players going from college

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Speaker 3: to pro ball is you have to be ready to

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Speaker 3: go every day. Yeah, that can be That can be

547
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Speaker 3: a big adjustment for some college leavers. You have to

548
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Speaker 3: be available two out of every three games essentially, if

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Speaker 3: you want to be a high leverage guy at MLB.

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Speaker 2: One guy that's been sticking out to me this year

565
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Speaker 2: has been Colin Halk, former first round pick dropped to

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Speaker 2: the Mets back in twenty twenty three. Struggled mightily his

567
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Speaker 2: first two professional seasons with the Mets. Small sample in

568
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Last year with Port Saint Lucy the

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Speaker 2: entire year, disappointing season. I think a little bit of

570
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Speaker 2: a lost season almost for his development, but this year

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Speaker 2: at age twenty, still technically young for the you know

572
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Speaker 2: the age in a ball, he's actually playing pretty well.

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Speaker 2: He still strikes out it done, but seven fifty six ops,

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Speaker 2: six homers, He's got some doubles, triples, hitting RBIs, stealing

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Speaker 2: bases too. Are we starting to see Colin Half maybe

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Speaker 2: get a little bit more comfortable at pro ball and

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Speaker 2: that first round pedigree that we once saw from him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think I think they would

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Speaker 3: probably admit the Mets that they probably rushed him into

580
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Speaker 3: that low assignment last year, that he wasn't truly ready

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Speaker 3: to play every day in the Florida State League. But

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, I mean that the bat ball has to

583
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Speaker 3: get better. I'm just kind of looking to see if

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Speaker 3: he's made improvements there. You know, it looks like it's

585
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Speaker 3: you know, making that consistent contact is going to be

586
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Speaker 3: an issue unless he really, you know, turns up the

587
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Speaker 3: power quite a bit. So you know, it's a positive step.

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Speaker 3: He holds on to his spot on the top thirty,

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Speaker 3: but you know he's still got, you know, good three

590
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Speaker 3: or four months to to improve his stock this year.

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Speaker 4: There are there's another pair of teenage infielders on that

592
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Speaker 4: Saint Lucie team Jeremy Rodriguez and Tray Snyer.

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Speaker 5: Rodriguez coming over a few years ago.

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Speaker 4: In the fable Tommy fam trade and really make a

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Speaker 4: name for himself in the complex and Tray Neider being

596
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Speaker 4: a high school draftee from believe it was last season

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Speaker 4: I think the Mets signed away from Tennessee if.

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Speaker 5: I remember correctly.

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Speaker 4: Two probably the highest variant players in the system of

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Speaker 4: just being the age at the level and especially cay

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Speaker 4: like Rodriguez being left headed hither being able to man shortstop.

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Speaker 4: What have you seen, if anything from them that's kind

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Speaker 4: of letting these guys hold their spots in the team.

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Speaker 4: Top twenty possible factors that could help them rising over

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Speaker 4: the next few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Snyder is an interesting one because this the Mets

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Speaker 3: mo o in recent drafts has been to sign go

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Speaker 3: over slot to sign his high school infielders. And this

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Speaker 3: applies to a j ewing Boston Barrow Jacob Primer. The

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Speaker 3: idea here being that you'll let them develop at their

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Speaker 3: own pace to buy them out of college and then

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Speaker 3: by the time they're twenty one and would be you know,

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Speaker 3: draft juniors, you might have something you might have a

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Speaker 3: future major leaguer. So I am encouraged about Sneyder for

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Speaker 3: those reasons. You know, I think he's you know, he's

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Speaker 3: got a pro body, a chance to hit, you know,

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Speaker 3: probably not a short stop, but I mean I think

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Speaker 3: we'll be hearing more from him next season. Brodriguez is

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Speaker 3: at a little diceier because the ability to really hit

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Speaker 3: the ball hard has not materialized for him yet, so

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Speaker 3: that's kind of holding him back. He's you know, Marco

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Speaker 3: Vargas at Brooklyn is probably the better version of this

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Speaker 3: type of player, the middle infielder with you know, elite

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Speaker 3: back the ball.

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Speaker 2: I briefly mentioned him just now too as well, and

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Speaker 2: we didn't get a chance to talk about him. Last

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Speaker 2: guy that I got before James gives you his Jacob Brimer.

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Speaker 2: He's mashing at Brooklyn again. Another guy who has kind

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Speaker 2: of just hit seemingly every single year. Last year in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four didn't play much again due to injury,

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Speaker 2: but in his previous healthy season we saw him hit

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Speaker 2: really well at Port Saint Lucy. Now he's up in

633
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Speaker 2: Brooklyn hitting over three hundred, hitting for power, extra base

634
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Speaker 2: hits nine to sixty six ops and I'm starting to

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Speaker 2: see some national buzz for Jacob Brimer too. How do

636
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Speaker 2: you guys feel about him over at Baseball America and

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Speaker 2: what's been a standout thing for him thus far?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, the power is real and like as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: it's Saint Lucy. He was good. He had a four

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Speaker 3: hundred time base percentage as an eighteen nineteen year old.

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Speaker 3: That's that's rare. So I do kind of like him.

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Speaker 3: I think we you know, being limited quote unquote limited

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Speaker 3: to third base and maybe not being a standout defender

644
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Speaker 3: there is the biggest risk with him. But I think

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Speaker 3: the bat is pretty legit to be near average hitter

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Speaker 3: in here, average power, I think there's some real potential.

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Speaker 4: As we close this and Matt, thank you again. The

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Speaker 4: most recurring guests on the Messed Up podcast history, what

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Speaker 4: is the overall evaluation of the system, because something that

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Speaker 4: we feel like has got deeper, more talented the top

651
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Speaker 4: mortalent in the middle, even more talent at the back

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Speaker 4: end of the top thirty. They're being interesting guys that

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Speaker 4: Mark I keep going to all the way from twenty

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Speaker 4: to twenty nine. Here, what's the feeling just around this

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Speaker 4: Mets system right now? In this Mets regime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think they're in great shape. I think

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Speaker 3: as you look at it, they don't, you know, have

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Speaker 3: the blue Chippers as some other systems do. That kind

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Speaker 3: of holds them back in our farm system rankings. But

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Speaker 3: the depth is there, and I think that's a testament

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Speaker 3: to of well they've drafted in recent drafts, and the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three trade deadline still looms pretty large. You

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Speaker 3: mentioned Fan, you know, because they got Clifford, they got

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Speaker 3: Gilbert and Jeremy Rodriguez and Marco Vargus just in that

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Speaker 3: span of a few days in twenty twenty three, and

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Speaker 3: that's given them extreme depth. And I think it's especially

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Speaker 3: notable when you consider that Lamar Rocker they drafted in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, Kevin Parrada was the first pick in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, Colin Hawk hasn't. I'll come together for

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Speaker 3: him first pick twenty twenty three. They've been able to

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Speaker 3: build this system despite those you know, misfires in two.

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Speaker 4: Cases, trading Peak Armstrong to my twenty first round pick

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Speaker 4: traded PCA.

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Speaker 1: About that, Well, why do we keep bringing that one up?

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying because there's a testament to how deep

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Speaker 5: this system is.

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Speaker 4: The fact that they keep missing first round picks with

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Speaker 4: all these other guys keep actually turning into impact minor leaguers.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of amazing to watch.

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Speaker 2: It's also really cool to see too, because again, we've

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Speaker 2: been having you on Matt Now for I think this

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Speaker 2: is a third or fourth season that we've been able

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Speaker 2: to talk about Mets prospects with you guys on our podcast.

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Speaker 2: And even looking back at Baseball America's list from then,

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Speaker 2: it's cool to see that guys like Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio

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Speaker 2: Viento's like all those guys have made the majors, and

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Speaker 2: then to see how there was an insane.

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Speaker 1: Drop off after that.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy to see Matt Allen still on that list,

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Speaker 2: but like seeing guys like Nick Plumber and Khalil Lee

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Speaker 2: and Carlos Cortes on the list and it's like, wow,

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Speaker 2: like how far the Mets system has come when those

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Speaker 2: guys were like top ten.

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Speaker 1: Guys previously top ten? We uh.

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Speaker 2: Khalil Lee was at eight to start twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: which was I mean, listen, at the time, he had

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Speaker 2: some exciting tools.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: He was fast to get it for some power. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: how far the Mets system has come is really encouraging.

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Speaker 4: I think right clearly, I would say so. Right now

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Speaker 4: Boston Borrow is seventeen and Tray Snyder, who.

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Speaker 5: We're excited about, twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Just to show how many guys are here, I think

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Speaker 4: last thing to leave us with a couple of prospects

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Speaker 4: who've graduated, but still players who were definitely relevant.

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Speaker 5: Just the struggle of Francisco Alvarez.

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Speaker 4: Is this something that is more about should we be

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Speaker 4: much more willing to let this stuff pass? Still being

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Speaker 4: the youngest catcher in baseball, being someone that other catchers

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Speaker 4: are at his age usually in double A, maybe maybe

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Speaker 4: start touching triple A for the first time.

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Speaker 5: Or are they more worrisome signs and the like? The

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Speaker 5: what the ball?

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Speaker 4: The ball profile has become relative to where it was

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Speaker 4: when he was one of the number one overall prospects

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Speaker 4: in baseball. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I looked at his his spray trap the other day.

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Speaker 3: I think he has two or three pulled balls to

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Speaker 3: the outfield.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Great this year, I think, Mark, I think I've heard

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Speaker 3: you talk about it about him being closed off. Give

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Speaker 3: you that as a concern.

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Speaker 2: I major view that as a concern. It's just like,

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Speaker 2: especially because we saw his progression through the minor leagues

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Speaker 2: and me and James again, this is a very much

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Speaker 2: like eye test old man thing. But like when we're

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Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, we saw him take BP. The contact noise

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Speaker 2: was so insanely loud, and for me, like when I've

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Speaker 2: seen other guys take VP, that's something I've noticed. I

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Speaker 2: was like, Wow, he takes a different BP. We mentioned

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Speaker 2: about Baity and Vento's in the past two those guys

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Speaker 2: made loud contact and BP Alberts did that. Now he's

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Speaker 2: just kind of not even really hitting the ball that

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Speaker 2: hard anymore either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anecdotally, I was thinking when I looked up in

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Speaker 3: spray Char, I's like, yeah, he's got a lot of

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Speaker 3: ground ball hits through the infield, you know, And then

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Speaker 3: that is largely true. He's got a few outfield, you know,

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Speaker 3: flyball hits the field too, to the opposite field. But

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Speaker 3: seeing seeing him homer to center and course field, it

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Speaker 3: was reminiscent of the futures game. I believe he also

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Speaker 3: homewer to center in Cores of the Future. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: so yeah, do more of that.

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Speaker 2: And then Brett Baty we always talked about this. He

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Speaker 2: was our guy for a long time. He's at the majors,

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Speaker 2: he's playing so much better. Does it feel good to

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Speaker 2: see that Brett Baty's playing well because I know you've

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Speaker 2: been a believer as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I do like Baty. I think early in

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Speaker 3: the season his swing seems so disconnected, but he's he's

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Speaker 3: in sync now and I think his ability to let

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Speaker 3: the ball travel it does have the downside of not

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Speaker 3: pulling it, but it also makes him competitive against left

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Speaker 3: handers right and we saw in that. I think it

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Speaker 3: was the Red Sox game where he had two hits

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Speaker 3: off of left handed pitchers or two RBI hits. I

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Speaker 3: mean that that's encouraging to me, Like, is it going

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Speaker 3: to result in huge home run totals? Yeah? Maybe, maybe,

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Speaker 3: maybe not. But I think he's all around play. He's

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Speaker 3: he's made himself into like a potential fifty major league player.

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Speaker 4: Three years ago, these guys were in Brooklyn together being

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Speaker 4: Baby and Mauricio. Could you ever have imagined they would

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Speaker 4: share a major league infield with Baby at second base

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Speaker 4: and Mauricio a third.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or maybe vice versa. Who knows what the future holds.

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Speaker 4: The last question I think I want to leave us

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Speaker 4: with that, especially as we get into the summer months.

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Speaker 4: This Mets team is playing really well. This could be

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Speaker 4: a very broad question. You'll need to embellish much. Dude.

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Speaker 4: The Mets have anyone in the system that is untradeable,

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Speaker 4: someone that if they got a call for any player,

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Speaker 4: they would immediately hang up the phone.

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Speaker 3: At the top of my head, I would say, no,

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Speaker 3: it depends on the caliber of player.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fun tongue especially.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we mentioned the blue chip issue earlier. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess that's the no. I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's a yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's not all hard. Yes, there's no one.

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Speaker 2: I think tell us seration is the answer. Matt Eddie,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us again the most

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Speaker 2: recurring guests on the Metstup podcast. We will have you

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Speaker 2: on again at some point before the season ends.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Remember, guys, you can go check out Baseball America all

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Speaker 1: Matt, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys,