WEBVTT - Anne Wojcicki 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.480 You have two sisters. I have two sisters, so I 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.880 live with my middle sister. Are you the youngest or 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.119 the oldest and the youngest? Ha? I see, I was 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.760 the youngest too, then became the middle of three, So 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.400 I get it. I get that dynamic. We very much 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.920 have the birth order dynamics in our family. We all 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.320 tease each other about that aspect. It's a real thing, no, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.119 I joke. I was like in the company. One of 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.520 my superpowers is learning how to ignore people, and I 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:32.000 learned that from my siblings. So I I never mind 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.360 getting criticism. I never mind taking feedback because I'm really 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.640 good at ignoring it. You're gonna say whatever you want. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.920 I'm going to, you know, make my own decisions. Son. Hello, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.680 I'm Mini driver. Welcome to Many Questions Season two. I've 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.800 always loved Prut's question at It was originally a nineteenth 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.560 century harligame where players would ask each other thirty five 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.760 questions aimed at revealing the other players true nature. It's 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.880 just the scientific method. Really. In asking different people the 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.360 same set of questions, you can make observations about which 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.360 truths appeared to be universal. I love this discipline and 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.200 it made me wonder what if these questions were just 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.320 the jumping off point, what greater depths would be revealed 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.160 if I asked these questions as conversation starters with thought 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.240 leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. So I 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.360 adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own seven questions 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.199 that I personally think a pertinent to a person's story. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.640 They are when and where were you happiest? What is 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.119 the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, real 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.880 or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would you 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.000 most like answered, What person, place, or experience has shaped 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.760 you the most? What would be your last meal? And 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.440 can you tell me something in your life that's grown 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.840 out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a group 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.400 of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored and 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.120 humble to have had the chance to engage with. You 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.360 may not hear their answers to all seven of these questions. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.000 We've whittled it down to which questions felt closest to 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.280 their experience or the most surprising, or created the most 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.919 fertile ground to connect my guest today are many questions. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.200 Is the founder and CEO of the biotech phenomenon twenty 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.919 three and Me and which is key And founded the 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.280 company with the central idea of creating a consumer product 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.440 that sought to rework the healthcare model by empowering individuals 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.959 to take control of their own health. I know when 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.280 I did the DNA test, I was interested in my ancestry. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.680 You'll perhaps be unsurprised to hear that I'm virtually a 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.560 Northern European, specifically Anglo Saxon. The other focus though, of 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.800 twenty three and Me are these health reports the company 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.920 also offer that give you a deeper, more complex view 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.400 of your health using your DNA. It's pretty extraordinary to 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.919 be able to find out if you're an increased risk 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.400 of developing certain diseases ahead of actually developing them. It 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.239 gives you a chance to take preventative measures, to really 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.680 see your own health from the place of knowledge being power. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.280 And is an incredibly inspiring person to talk to. She 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.360 was the kind of child who lay in bed at 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.400 night wondering about molecular biology and the expanding universe. But 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.480 she also seems to be the kind of person who 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.959 wouldn't judge someone like me who used to lie in 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:32.240 bed at night dreaming about being on night Rider. Where 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.640 and when were you happiest? There's two things. So one 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:37.720 I mean, which I think every mom would say, it's 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.280 like the birth of my children was just there's nothing 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.200 better than the day your children are born. There's just 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.560 there's no comparison. Yes, But when I think about besides 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.240 that moment which I have to miss, honor. I took 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.920 off a year when I was traveling after the stock 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.600 market went crazy in two thousand and I finally said, like, 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.200 I need a break, and I decided that the only 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.560 place I could go to get peace and quiet with Siberia. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.840 Oh you like the cold, Okay, Well it was in 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.920 the summer. Well, no, I take it back. It was 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.440 it was September. I made the mistake. It got cold. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.040 Maybe I left in August. But I decided I was 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.520 going to take the train across Siberia. It was going 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.680 to be meditative, the Trans Siberian. Correct. I've heard that trine. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.560 So I started in Moscow and I ended in Beijing, 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.880 and I stopped along the way and I wanted to 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.160 go to a place called La Book, which is in 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.440 you know, near Mongolia, and there's an island in it 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.479 called Okon Island and I just wanted to go to 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.920 this island and camp. And I remember once I got 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.800 there and I had this guide and I remember asking, 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.040 I was like, what do we do? He's like, you 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.839 will watch the fire, like that's all we did. And 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.440 it was the first time. I remember. It was like 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.280 there was kind of before that moment where I was 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.520 so attached to my BlackBerry, so kind of running, and 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.479 then there was after that where I was like, you 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:56.000 just enjoy like every moment was so vivid and it's amazing, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.040 like to be really free in the world. Like I 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.480 had one pair of pants, one pair of sweat on sweater, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.200 two shirts, I didn't have a phone, and I just 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.719 traveled like every day was a little bit different, and 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.960 again I had no responsibility. There's something about being truly 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.080 free and having no responsibility and exploring the world. And 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.440 I remember getting to Beijing and walking in and it 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.479 was like I had my bags, I couldn't speak the language, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.920 like it smells totally different, and I remember just like 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.040 I love everything about this, like it's just so different 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.680 and I can't wait to explore. And I kept traveling. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.640 I just loved it, and as you know, like as 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.440 as a parent, like once you have children, you're never 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.600 mentally free, like you will always you'll always worry about them. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.760 And so there's a brief moment when you're an adult 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.600 till you have kids where you actually are truly free, absolutely, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.920 because that's really what it is. It's like that nomadic 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.599 impetus just to go to go and put yourself in 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.279 a different landscape, a different environment, to not worry, to 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:49.919 be able to put down a phone. That is a 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.640 pre kids experience. Because you're right, you can try. I've 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.320 tried to go off by myself. It's hard. I mean 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.400 I can, but I'm your brain is will forever be 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.000 with them. You're always gonna want to check in, Your 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.520 always going to worry. And I think there was something about, 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.320 you know, even in this time, it's hard to ever 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.880 fully disconnect. I have no doubt if I went back 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.840 to that island, I would have cell access. And you know, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.040 there was something about like really forcing a break and 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.240 just enjoying that experience. And I think I love that 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.159 sense of adventure. So I used to bike to work 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.160 every day and I would never take the same path, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.040 and in part because like I just I love getting lost, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.400 Like I love getting lost and figuring it out. I 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.479 love exploring, like seeing new things, like seeing a new restaurant, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.719 like seeing a new house, like somebody changed their garden. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.800 Like I just there's something about like that tiny, minuscule 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.599 sense of adventure that you get when you're you know, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.600 working and with kids that really kept my brain alive. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.320 I couldn't agree with you more. I'm not the biggest 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.760 fan of routine, and routine is what children obviously thrive on, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.640 but finding the variants. I think freedom and variety would 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.640 be corner sense of happiness for me as well. My 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.240 favorite thing I used to do with my dad when 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.520 I was little, as I would get in the car, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.520 he wouldn't have a destination, and I would get to 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.919 pick left or right. Yeah that's funny. I used to 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.080 do that as well. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's some 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.640 people who love that kind of adventure and some people 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.239 who just don't. But I love that sense of wild adventure, 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.960 like no idea where I'm going to be, Like I've 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.800 spring break next week and I do not know where 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.520 I'm going. That's super fun. I like that. I think 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.040 it's really good being that kind of a parent as well. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.120 I think they get to see that modeled, just that 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.240 idea of get lost and you can always figure it out. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.760 There's always somewhere to stay, always somewhere to eat. You 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.560 can always sleep in your car. It's a good exercise exactly. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.600 And also you can always figure out where the north 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.680 star is. We just learned that on a camping trip 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.600 in the desert recently. It was so brilliant. There's all 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:46.320 sorts of tricks you can always find. Yeah, what relationship, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.440 real or fictionalized, defines love for you? I had a 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.000 truly extraordinary childhood. I've had the same best friends since 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:55.800 I had Again, I met one of my best friends 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.800 in kindergarten, another a couple of years later. And there's 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.280 thing about true love that when you can go through 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.640 all those iterations again, I go through my childhood, I 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.720 go through adulthood. You know, it's up and down, and 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:18.520 it's incredibly supportive. Real connection that endures and also evolves 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.760 and evolves, and it's it's it's it's the type of 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.360 thing where again I think about it from like a 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.760 rubber band perspective, is you have that ability to stay connected, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.480 but you're not it's not restrictive. Again, I think back 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.319 on on the relationship and also how different we all 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.920 are now, but yet how supportive of like the true 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.920 person and like evolving and becoming your your real person. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.800 So I'm grateful to the whole community that I grew 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.800 up in because it's a community, like we do events 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.760 all the time for like the community that we grew 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.080 up with, and it's all these people who I've known 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.120 since kindergarten and my parents friends. It's this like true 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:58.080 appreciation for differences and that you're a unique person. And 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.840 I think that's kind of one thing that I love 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.920 is like that in some ways, like the more you 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:08.400 are truly you, it's like everyone shines. There's no force 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.320 of conformity other than that you should be the true you. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.000 So I feel really lucky whenever people talk about me 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.240 and my sisters, and I almost feel I have to 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.800 correct them because it does take a village in that capacity. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.000 And I think back again, my friendly met in kindergarten, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.280 those parents, like I call them emanol, but like mom 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.840 and Dad and their siblings, like they were part of 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.160 the whole community that raised all of us, and that 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.360 are still taught me about true relationships and true connection. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.000 That's so interesting, this huge business that you're doing, when 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.960 actually the fundament of it is because it feels to 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.600 me that microcosm of a connected community that you come from, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.920 beloved and appreciated and supportive. You just take that to 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.079 the macro and you put that on a global Like 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.160 imagine if one could have that feeling of connectivity and 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.920 community on a global scale, Like, how different the world 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.280 will be. Like, I completely understand why you why twenty 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.559 three of Me is your life's work, Like that makes 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.400 that's super cool though. I really like that it's connected 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:10.200 to your emotional evolution, to how you yourself evolved. I 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.680 think in some ways the best companies are almost just 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.959 an extension of the person. Do you think that that 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.200 is exactly what it is? That really the ones that 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.720 work are they are connected on a deep level. Yeah. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.760 I like, to me, twenty three is not a it's 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.800 not like it's just a company. When I talk to 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.040 a lot of the founders in the area where they've 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.280 done really well and it's and they've stayed connected, it's 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.240 because it's such an extension of them. And in a 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.679 lot of ways, like I'm perpetually fueled by the intellectual 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.920 curiosity and also the sense of community. I think that 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.480 we foster and we foster a real community. I think 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.959 there's nothing more lonely than the experience of health and 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.200 being sick and trying to find the right people that 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.280 you can connect to. So I think doing more in 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.199 that area and then connecting the world as a family 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.160 and helping people see that, you know, celebrate that the connectedness, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:16.600 but also each person's intovie duality. What question would you 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.680 most like answered? What? As a child used to keep 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.000 me up at night? What again? This is? I like? 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.360 I remember learning about things like the electron transport chain, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.319 like like how your cells work and your d n 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.640 A and wondering like your body is this incredible? Like 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.679 each cell is like New York City and it functions 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.640 and I don't do anything. I go to bed and 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.880 all this work is happening. And I remember as a kid, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.040 I was like, doesn't it keep you up? Like how 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.880 is it all happening? And so again, the things that 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.400 perplexed me the most are the molecular biology and how 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.400 the body works, and that's what again, it gets down 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.600 to the genome, like that's the code, Like how is 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.800 it that you have such spectacular diversity on this planet, 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.240 and where does this all come from? Is that what 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.160 made you so interested in observable DNA reports? Like, is 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.000 that where it began? There's two things that like we're 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.520 big triggers for me. So one, as a child, I 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:13.160 loved twin studies, Like I remember when National Geographic pulled 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.520 out a whole, you know, edition about twins and the 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.080 twin studies, and I remember just pouring through it and 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.960 just fascinating, like identical twins separated at birth? What's similar? 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.439 What's what's genetic? And what's environment? And the first time 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.480 I had ever heard about d n A was from 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.760 my mom and she was yelling about something she was 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.319 I was about five and she was yelling at my 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.920 sister for something about her jeans and I remember thinking 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.479 she was wearing shorts and that my mom was confused, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.680 and so I kept asking. I was like, what are genes? 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.000 What are genes? And then my mom explained, you know, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.680 genes and environment, and I was just fascinated, like what 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.679 do you mean? Like there's like a code inside you 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.480 and then it interacts with your environment and you have 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.120 this ability to understand the code, and then you know 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.000 change how you live and then you could remember asking 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.319 her was like, then you could live forever, like you could, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.200 you'd be healthy. And so from early on, I was 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.840 always fascinated with health, and I had spent a lot 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.480 of time thinking about going to medical school. And I 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.720 love people like I loved I worked as a patient advocate, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.959 and I love just like sitting with people as they're, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.920 you know, waiting for surgery. And I remember talking to 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.240 this woman who was the first black family in Napa, 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.520 and remember hearing everything about like the journey that they 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.040 had across and you know what it was like living 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.040 there and just sitting there while she was waiting for surgery, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.720 like every human is fascinating and so kind of it 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.080 was that combination of like I love genetics, I love 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.959 looking at jeans and environment, and I love the store, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.480 like I love connecting with people. It's the stories. Like 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.320 the story that's all I have to tell you, just 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.760 really quickly is an adject because my mother, when she 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.679 was dying, we were telling stories with her and she went, 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.240 do you remember when you made me do the twenty 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.640 three and me and I was like yeah, because I 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.400 wanted to make sure that we were related, she said, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.320 And I said, to you they're only going to find 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.040 out that I'm fifty red lipstick. We did it together 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.880 because we were interested. We were interested in those story 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.320 and then the stories of our ancestors. So where that begins. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.520 Your health story is connected to that. But I loved 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.880 finding out I am quite literally as Anglo Saxon as 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:17.079 it gets. I'm like nine point seven percent British and Irish, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.080 which is astonishing, which means that, like, my people literally 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:26.040 never left that sodden, freezing, cold, lump lumpish island that 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.400 is England. Well you prove them you moved to California. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.240 Good job, you're the breakout. And of course now my 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.120 skin is not supposed to be in the Californian sun, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.560 but I'm fully aware of that because I know what 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.200 my history is. Yeah, well, I think that's what's fun. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.400 Is like you can look a certain way and people 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.080 think they know their ancestry, but there's always interesting surprises. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.160 Everyone also finds relatives, like whether you know your ancestry 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.400 actually matches what you thought it was, your genetic ancestry 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.040 matches what you thought. But then there's like the whole 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.000 world of like you're connected to people that you never 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.200 knew you were connected to. And we even found that 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.040 we have a first cousin that we didn't know about. Yeah, 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:03.800 so it's I always tell people like, if you don't 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.720 have a family a DNA relative story, you know, just 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.000 sit back and wait and I'm sure one will come 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.680 your way. Like the reality is that life is complicated, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.720 life is long, and people like sex, and so you know, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.600 you end up having a lot of relatives that you 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.240 didn't necessarily know about. I think I have to find 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.400 out that Adam Driver is my cousin. Oh you know. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.320 That was one of the first studies we ever did, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.720 is Warren Buffett and Jimmy Buffett. Oh my god, I 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.560 want to find out they came to us determined like that, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.760 you have to find out how we're related. We had 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.000 a very brief conversation once I had family drive. A 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.640 family moved from Ireland to Canada and they then moved 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.560 down to the neighboring state that Adam Driver's family is from, 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.600 and it felt like there was proximity enough that there 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.160 was a likelihood if it was a neighboring state. But 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.360 I'd love to know. That would be a fun following 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.320 on to the story. He might not want to know, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.120 be like God, no, because if I am, then that's 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.120 going to follow me around like a yoke. People can 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.160 ask me forever, but can I Action and storytelling like 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.760 that is the nexcess of science and art like right there. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.720 So what's one of the things that's interesting is most 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.840 of science today is not made accessible. I agree. So 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.640 that was like one of the other things. Like my 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.240 father is a particle physicist. And when there was a 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.560 Nobel Prize given for the expanding universe, and I remember 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.480 asking my dad. I was like, what's the difference between 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.560 expanding universe versus an inflating universe? And he looks at me. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.920 He's like, well, one is expanding and one's inflating. And 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.400 I was like, you know, thanks dad, that's great. I 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.120 didn't catch that. And I realized, like there has to 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.080 be a way to make science accessible and relatable. I 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.360 see because again I have my little kids, like fourth 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.720 grade humor, when people are like looking at like, oh 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.080 I can do this with my like I'm double jointed. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.360 Can you do this? Can you do that? Like that's 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.840 like we're all different, and how do you get people 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.400 excited about human you know, human variety, human variation, and 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.480 like the magical experience of science. I mean, I wonder 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.360 if it would make us more tolerant as well, Like 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.520 the more that we see being able to twist your 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.400 tongue is a genetic coding. But that idea that I 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.640 wonder if you see someone who looks differently to you, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.080 but they can do the same thing that you can 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.200 do with your body, So there is this connection, There 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.760 are these pathways and bridges, Like I wonder if that also, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.760 like the more that we know, the more that we 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.040 know that we're connected, will we start living in a 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.040 more connected way? Will there be a sort of systemic 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.720 societal change based on really bellying up to our connectivity 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.560 rather than the hideous separation that everyone seems to keep 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.919 fighting for. Well, we had some and there was a 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.879 story that was written about this of somebody who was 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.359 descendant of white supremacists who had a child that they 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.920 had last tracker or didn't know about, and it is 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.119 that child had multiracial children and they reconnected on twenty 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:47.320 three and me wow, And he said he's like, I 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:52.040 had to really reassess my past, like how I was raised, 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.320 because these are my grandchildren and I'm going to love them. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.760 And it's this whole. It's a really wonderful story about 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.919 sort of that reconciliation of like and the father of 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.879 these shoulder was like, was I excited to have a 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.600 white supremacist grandfather? Like no, but like it's family, so 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.280 we're going we're going to work through it. And they 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.840 spend time together. So I do think it's been an 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.960 eye open up for a number of customers to realize 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.320 that they have this assumption of like, oh, I'm French 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.080 or I'm I'm something, but the reality is you are 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.080 quite connected to everyone. And one day there's going to 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.880 be the ability to put together a human map where 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.480 every single person is connected and so we are all connected. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.840 I mean, the the amazing thing to the reason why 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.280 I'm fascinated with DNA is like it's so simple. You 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.439 have four letters, A, C, G, and T, and it 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.639 represents all of life. So my kids like again talk 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.080 about all the time you are connected to a banana, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.320 like you have d N A in common, And I 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.520 was like, and you are more connected to a snail, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:55.000 Like we are interconnected to everything that's alive on this planet. 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.240 And it's a remarkable story of like how like again, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.000 such a simple foundation and can lead to such spectacular 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.720 diversity everywhere, and the diversity is the story of our success. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.600 You know, you have dark skin for a reason and 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.240 you have pale skin for a reason, and part of 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.399 it is because there's survival advantages around that. So you know, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.320 some mutations are just random, and some mutations like make 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.000 it that you are more likely to survive. So that's 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.960 why we should absolutely celebrate and embrace, Like diversity is 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.400 why we know that the human species is going to survive. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.960 Like one thing I'm fascinating with is again this world 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.800 of global global warming. I had one day my head 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.520 of marketing, Um, it was a hundred thirty degrees in Arizona, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.159 and my head of marketing is, like, I have to 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.440 go down to Arizona. I just I love it when 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.679 it's over a twenty And I remember staring at her. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.320 I was like, you are made for global warming, Like 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.360 you're going to survive. I don't like heat. There's even 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.960 like that kind of variety, Like some people just love 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.520 super super hot weather. So we have again, we should 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.040 absolutely be embracing this kind of diversity and like celebrating 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.360 and minding it and understanding it that we're all very 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.880 different I agree twenty three and me is part of 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.879 like the interest in that as well, that thinking about 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.679 molecular biology of mapping, what we can know of mapping 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.080 as much as we can know, while leaving space for 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.320 that which we will never know. Is that part of 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.520