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Speaker 1: actually pointing to mental health and your physical health and

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Speaker 1: how much you're actually sleeping and then what time you

432
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Speaker 1: go to bed. So I've always been interested in the interaction.

433
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: So you have yourselves all communicating, but then you also

434
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: get all these inputs. That's why it's so spectacularly complicated. Great,

435
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: so I'm glad that you're unwrapping all of this and

436
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: not me. I will continue to spit into my thing

437
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: and you'll then tell me what's up and This is

438
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Speaker 1: where I get. I feel like we're surrounded by amazing

439
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: people who just the amount of data now that we

440
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: can have, we can like start to find these things

441
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: and like really help people understand risks. I think that's

442
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: the key, being able to help people assess the risk

443
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: and sort of get out ahead of things potentially right.

444
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: And also, no, I mean most of the world doesn't

445
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: focus on prevention. I mean it's a really sad part

446
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: of healthcare is that healthcare doesn't make money if you

447
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: never get sick. Like I read about there's this ranger

448
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: who just retired at a hundred. She's amazing she and

449
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: she was a park ranger. She retired at a hundred.

450
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: Obamba gave her a tribute. But she is kind of

451
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: the examples, like she is healthy at a hundred, you're

452
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: not generating a lot of money for the health system.

453
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: So when you're sick, you generate money. But if you're healthy,

454
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so awful. That's so well and

455
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: it's such a hideous idea. Yeah, so that's part of

456
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: the reason why we're self pay and part of the

457
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: reason you know, twenty three is focused on that world

458
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: of prevention. But it's in your hands. Then, so what

459
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: do you do if you're afraid of finding out that

460
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: you're predisposed potentially to something, even though you know it's

461
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: not deterministic, Like how can people kind of ballly up

462
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: to the idea that I'm going to look at this

463
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: health report and I'm going to see that there is

464
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: a certain percentage chance that I may be predisposed to this.

465
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is everyone's at risk for something, right,

466
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: and if you look at your family history, you probably

467
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: know you know various risks that you may or may

468
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Speaker 1: not have. So the data that we have so far

469
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: as that you know, it's it's people find out something

470
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: like they're higher risk for Alzheimer's, and it will cause

471
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: people to really think about it, and they can be

472
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: anxious initially, but it returns to baseline, so it changes

473
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: their life in terms of like very practical things like

474
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: in the case of Alzheimer's, people were going and buying

475
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: long term care insurance, so being proactive. So one of

476
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: the big things we think about is, you know, can

477
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: you actually help people know how to live their life?

478
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: So we're never gonna be able to tell you the

479
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: day you're going to die, Like people always ask that.

480
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no no, that product will cost a

481
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Speaker 1: lot more money. We don't have that, but we can

482
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Speaker 1: help you understand risks. So if you know that, for instance,

483
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: you're higher risk for type two diabetes, you can really modify.

484
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: You can change your eating habits or things like you know,

485
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: I look at more severe conditions even like chronic kidney disease.

486
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: You can test proactively. You know. The reality is like

487
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: you have to be a partner with your physician as

488
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: well to know what are your risks? What are the

489
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: things that you have to look for because you're not

490
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: going to get screened for everything all the time, So

491
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: what are the things that you want to think about?

492
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: And then also how are you making intentional and decisions

493
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Speaker 1: with how you're living your life in terms of what

494
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: you eat or how you exercise or how you sleep.

495
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be absolute, like you don't

496
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: if you're higher risk or something like, you can still

497
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 1: have the cookie. It's just a question of like moderation

498
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: and being aware awheness, that's the key. You know, there's

499
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Speaker 1: certain people also where it's just not the right product

500
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: for them, But for people who want to you know,

501
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: who like knowing and want to be more proactive. Then

502
00:24:42,760 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: it's absolutely you know the right thing for them. What

503
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: is the quality you like least about yourself? Interesting? You know,

504
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: I'm generally relatively supportive about myself. Um so I have.

505
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean there's things that are I'm often criticized for,

506
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: which is I'm not terribly punctual. I love the fact

507
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: that you'd say, like, what it quality you like least

508
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: about yourself? It's like, no, I'm good with me. Here's

509
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: what other people are not good with me about, like

510
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: not always punctual. Okay, I mean I I look, I

511
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: think the realities you have to appreciate yourself and accept yourself.

512
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. Yeah. So I think

513
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Speaker 1: there's things you know, you just at some point you

514
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: reach a point you're like, I just am the way

515
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: I am. So anyways, I could absolutely be more punctual.

516
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: I have moments where I'm unrealistic. I think what's interesting

517
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Speaker 1: is the advocacy for self like that. To me, it's

518
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Speaker 1: the kind of That's the headline from this is perhaps

519
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: we would all be slightly more successful in humanity if

520
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: we were just to embrace the stuff that we categorically

521
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: now is difficult about ourselves would go, well, this is

522
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: part of me, and there's all this other stuff that

523
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: really balances out the annoying stuff. I like the idea

524
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: that you're an advocate for yourself exactly. I think that

525
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: everyone has to understand their strengths and their weaknesses, and

526
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: so there's like I joke, it was like I like,

527
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't really get dressed. I'm not great at fashion.

528
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm and there's just certain areas we've just given up

529
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Speaker 1: on and you just embrace it at some point and realize,

530
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: like my strength and I think about this even how

531
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: I run the company. I am good at thinking big,

532
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm good at challenging status quo, um, but I'm not

533
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: always great with structure. So I can hire, like I

534
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: have a really great team around me who's really good

535
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: with structure, and there's ways that you can then manage that.

536
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: But just recognizing like it's you know, it's it's just

537
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: a little bit how I am. I have this really

538
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: lovely yoga instructor who calls me the Princess of Possibilities,

539
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: and I tend to always air on positive like even

540
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: on people like I I strongly believe everyone's great at

541
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: something I agree with you. I agree with that. So

542
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: you just have to find out what it is, and

543
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: you have to And that gets back to the previous

544
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: thing about adventure, like you have to then explore enough

545
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: to know, like what are you actually good at? I

546
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: think that also takes confidence. I think a lot of people,

547
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: if they get the impression that you're looking for is

548
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: great about them, they will their lack of belief in

549
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: themselves will stop you either being able to find it

550
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: or stop their own inquiry into what that is. Because

551
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: it's funny how a lot of people are they believe

552
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: that they're not, that they don't have anything great about them. Yeah,

553
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: I see that sometimes, and I see and I do.

554
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: I absolutely credit my parents with this, and then particularly

555
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: my mom, Like my mom is almost annoyingly so such

556
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: a cheerleader, like that is so great, you look so good.

557
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: That was amazing. And you know, my mom's a high

558
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: school teacher and her spec shealty really was always taking

559
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: kids in freshman year who often lacks self confidence and

560
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: and giving them confidence and just and in some way

561
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: showing like she My mom was always really critical. She's like, oh,

562
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: I'll mark up your essay, like write an essay for

563
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: me and I'm going to destroy it, but you're going

564
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: to rewrite it and then you're gonna give it back

565
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm going to mark it up more

566
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: and then you're going to rewrite it again. And you're

567
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: going to do that until you get an a. And

568
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: so my mom was like very much of that type

569
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: and like and she she's she would hold on these

570
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean she would show up at kids houses and

571
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: be like, I'm waiting, I'm waiting for that, like we

572
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: got to rewrite it. Like she was really good at

573
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: helping people realize that you're full of potential, you just

574
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: got to get it, like work on that. And so

575
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I do think that sense of self confidence in giving

576
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: kids that opportunity and anything. And I see this now

577
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: with my three year old, like when she is so

578
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: proud of herself when she can take off her dress

579
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: and like like she said, she like does a little

580
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: happy dance like she's is like like that sense of accomplishment.

581
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: So like throughout kids lives, you've got to reward them,

582
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: like you got something done, Like that's great. What would

583
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: your last meal be. I'm not a die hard food person.

584
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: It can be experiential as well, you know, like the

585
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: way you would be and what the vibe would be.

586
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Oh well, experiential would be everything I love again, a

587
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: big event with a family style dinner. I'm not formal.

588
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: There would be no organized cutlery. It would be like

589
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: we have a dinner every Sunday night at my at

590
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: my house. There's no organization. It's a little bit of

591
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: a free for all. I love being with my friends

592
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: I've been with for a long time. I'm all about

593
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: quality of food and not specific type. I've had the

594
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: most amazing like local organic salary, and my kids always

595
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: make fun of me. They're like, what did you say?

596
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I just love fresh salary again. My

597
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: whole thing is all about something that's pure, Like I

598
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: always hate ven years, so they're like food that's masks,

599
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: like those little tiny bunny carrots that are tiny and

600
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: also have you seen how quickly they go off in

601
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: your fridge, Like they don't survive. There's nothing better than

602
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: like going into the garden and like I see my daughter,

603
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: like she eats all the mint off the point it's

604
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: so cute pulling vegetables off, and like going I used

605
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: to love being sent out into the garden. Mom would

606
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: be like, go and get me two heads of lettuce

607
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: and some new potatoes, and then that's what we'd eat.

608
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: It was great. But again, also when we lived in France,

609
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: we had our first garden and the neighbors across the

610
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: street grew raspberries, so we were always like sneaking into

611
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: their there to get them to steal the raspberries. Those

612
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: are the best, but they really are. In fact, stolen

613
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: fruit is stolen fruit is arguably better. Definitely in your life,

614
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: can you tell me something that has grown out of

615
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: a personal disaster. I mean there's so many disasters. I mean,

616
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: I think the most public one, you know, when twenty

617
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: three got our warning letter, oh yeah, from the f

618
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Speaker 1: d A. And I think one thing. I was talking

619
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: to someone the other day and she was like, I

620
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: didn't realize the full story. Like I had a one

621
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: year old and a two and a half year old

622
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: and I was getting divorced in a very public way

623
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: and then I got the FDA come after me. Wow,

624
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: that's a lot to be happening at one time. Yeah.

625
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I know. People always say, you know you have the

626
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: pie chart of your life. You know, you have your work,

627
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: you have your personal life, you have your kids, like

628
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: you need something to be stable, And that was one

629
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: of those moments where I remember coming home, I'd be like,

630
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't have anything that's stable, Like there's nothing, there's nothing,

631
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember people saying they're like, this

632
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: is time when shops like companies close up, and and

633
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: again it was. It was just unbelievably hard, like little

634
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: kids and managing the publicity of the divorce, so all

635
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: of that. But I look back and I'm like, but

636
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: life is now so good, Like we got through the

637
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: f d A, I hired amazing people, My children are fabulous,

638
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: and you know, all things and all relationships like you

639
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: you move on, it regenerates, like you regenerate, you regenerate.

640
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: And I bring up that example mostly because it was

641
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: the most public, but it was it was hard and

642
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: it was hard, like I remember the first time having

643
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: to go to a public event and it was like

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Speaker 1: you know, when everyone's looking at you, Like there was

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Speaker 1: an article called what was it? Twenty three and stupid

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Speaker 1: and and I'm friends with the author, so was I

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Speaker 1: kind of love like, but people are all talking about you,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, the public aspect, like when your

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Speaker 1: life is fracturing, and you add in that it is

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Speaker 1: made public that compounds the fracture, like without a shadow

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Speaker 1: of it, Dan, it's quite hard to explain the idea

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Speaker 1: of everybody knowing and judging your something painful that you're

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Speaker 1: going through. It is difficult, it's hard, and I think

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Speaker 1: it goes back to that question what I don't like

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Speaker 1: about myself? Like I do really like myself, and so

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Speaker 1: what kept me whole in that time frame is I

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Speaker 1: was like, I am very confident of our path forward,

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Speaker 1: confident that everyone's going at something, that there's a better

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Speaker 1: again going back like Princess of Possibilities, Like it's all

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Speaker 1: going to be okay, and so there's something for me

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Speaker 1: about like when I think of my north Star and

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Speaker 1: life is always like it's going to be okay. And

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Speaker 1: in some ways, I think if you have that attitude,

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Speaker 1: then you're just riding waves. It's like surfing. You're just

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Speaker 1: like like sometimes you've got a bigger wave. But there's

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Speaker 1: something good in everything, Like our FDA stuff was challenging,

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Speaker 1: but like there's good in everything, so you just have

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Speaker 1: to find that. And again, as a forward looking individual,

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Speaker 1: like I'm always focused on you know, things will be okay.

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Speaker 1: That is a lovely place to conclude things will be okay.

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Speaker 1: I teamed up with twenty three and Me for today's

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Speaker 1: Research assistant Marissa Brown. Original music Sorry Baby by Mini Driver,

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