1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm awkward to stuff 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: I've never told you. Protection of by Heart Radio and 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: today we are so happy, so happy to be joined 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: by one of my very best friends, Whitney. Thank you 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: for coming on, Whitney. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having me. 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Oh gosh, we're so excited to 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: have you. Because we were we've been talking a lot 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: about soccer and Samantha had done this episode on it 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: and was like, I wish we had someone we could 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: bring on to talk about it. And I was like, well, 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: I have kind of the person that's might be good. 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: I think a casual if you will. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: I love it because we were talking about the fact 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: that neither one of us had really watched it, and 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: Annie's like, well, I did watch a little bit of 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: it and it was really fun because of and I'm like, 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: but she, I'm like, why is it she on? Let's 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: let's have a conversation because we needn't know what's going 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 3: on and I know nothing that has happened except that 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: we're at the end of it now. Yeah. Yes, the 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 3: World Cup for the women, Yeah yes, yes, who won? 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: Who won? 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: Uh? 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Spain for the first time? 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: Oh, Okay, really this is the. 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: First, yes, we will talk about because some things have 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: happened around that. But yeah, yeah, Originally you were going 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: to come on earlier, but then there was some schedule 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: upsets and then some like upsets upset in the World Cup, 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe we'll give way you a 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: little little time, which we'll also talk about. 33 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: First, I was physically unwell. Then I was emotionally unwell, and. 34 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: That's understandable. 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: I get that. It's that is though, like when you 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: care and you were like really booting for something, and 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: then I've just seen so many people have come into 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: sports later in life, like really like sports later in life, 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: and they're like, why do we do this to ourselves? 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: It's torture. 41 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So we're going to be talking about 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: the World Cup and women in soccer and all of that. 43 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I did want to 44 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: talk about how Witty and I know each other. We 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: met when we were in middle school and we were 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: both extremely competitive with each other. Specifically, Oh no, I 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: love that you. 48 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: Have that, because I actually have that in my notes 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: of something I wanted to talk about. 50 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was like we would it didn't matter 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: how good we were at the sport. We would be like, 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna win this, bad, bad, terrible. If there were 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: some injuries that were had in. 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 3: Our oh my gosh, or because of each other. 55 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say because of each other, but because we 56 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: were so competitive with each other. Okay, Like, I'm pretty 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: sure didn't you sprain your ankle when we were playing volleyball? 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you. I couldn't remember if 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: it was volleyball or basketball. But Annie and I had 60 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: PE and health together our freshman year of high school, 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: and that's kind of when we first became really close. 62 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: I kind of grew up in a sheltered, conservative Christian 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: family and I didn't have a lot of access to 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: popular music or movies or books. And Annie was like, 65 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: you haven't seen what, you haven't read what I will 66 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: show you the air of your ways, And she kind 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: of opened my mind to a lot of that. But 68 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: specifically what she's talking about. I played soccer in high 69 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: school and we had a game that day and during 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: PE class I believe we were playing volleyball. I don't 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: remember the exact incident itself, but I was quite mad 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: because I injured myself right before our game, and I 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: blamed Annie Reeves even though it's probably my own fault 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: and had nothing to do with her. It happen. 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: Well, I'm not ready to go. 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: And then I entered myself playing basketball. I was the 77 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: one that hurt myself playing basketball because I did a 78 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: like running dive for the ball and then I just 79 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: slid on the floor across and got a lot of shaping. Yeah, 80 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: so a guy. 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: We were like guys and girls on that that day 82 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: and we were. 83 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 5: Like oh yeah, oh yeah, and we were trying to 84 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 5: show up this one guy who was a real jerk, yeah, 85 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 5: who was like girls can't play this, and we were like, 86 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 5: yes they can, and then I slid across the floor. 87 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: Did you win at least did your team win? 88 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: I think we did. 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: I think who knows, I. 90 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Feel like we did. I'm gonna, you know what, I'm 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: going to rewrite history that I was a jerk, so 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't get to even if he did win, he 93 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: lost exactly. Yes, Yeah, but you were definitely someone because 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I was very insecure. I was very insecure about my 95 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: abilities and about my body, and you were definitely someone 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: who I just enjoyed playing with, like all that kind 97 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: of faded away, and it was just like, this is 98 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: my friend, and this is really fun, and this is 99 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: really competitive, and I want to win, and when I 100 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: didn't win, I might be mad, but like not really mad, right, 101 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: not really? Yeah, So it was a really you're one 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: of my good friends who I was able to do 103 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: that with because a lot of our friends didn't like sports. 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: So it was really cool and a lot of my 105 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: memories I do have fond memories of that, and you 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: were someone who I knew, like really loved soccer. And 107 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: so can you talk a little bit about how how 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: you got into it, any memories you have around it, 109 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Why is it so important to you? 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: So as a little kid, I played just a variety 111 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: of sports. I think my parents signed me up for 112 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: t ball, I played softball at one point, I was 113 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: on a swim team, and I played soccer. I honestly 114 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: couldn't tell you how what age I started playing soccer, 115 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: But there became a point when my parents said, okay, 116 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: you have to choose one sport. I think I was 117 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: about ten or so, and I chose soccer. I think 118 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: because at the time it felt like the toughest women's 119 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: sport I could play. Like it was the most physical game. 120 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I don't know that I was 121 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: any good, but I really loved playing it, and I 122 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: just I kept up with it. I ended up playing 123 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: in high school and our high school's team. I wasn't 124 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: good enough to play college or anything like that, but 125 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: I've still, you know, specifically the women's team throughout the years. Yeah. 126 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you are someone when you I know, like 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: anytime a big soccer thing comes up in women's soccer specifically, 128 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: I know, like, okay, I could go to Whitney, and 129 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: Whitney can explain these things, and I know that you 130 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: have all of these memories with it, which is part 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: of why you're here, is the hazard of being a 132 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: fan of things. And my friend, but yeah, do you 133 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: have any specific memories that just really stand out in 134 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: terms of how this solidified as something that you really love. 135 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So in nineteen ninety nine, I was not quite 136 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: ten years old, just about, and the US women's team 137 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: were playing in the World Cup. They were playing in 138 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: the finals against China, and I was the only person 139 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: in my family that cared about soccer. But we were 140 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: visiting my grandmother and I was at her house and 141 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: somehow I was able to get the game to broadcast 142 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: on her tiny, little old television, and I sat in 143 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: the den and watched it by myself and was cheering. 144 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: But of course I remember the iconic moment where Brandy 145 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Chastain scored that iconic PK and then took her jersey off, 146 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: which then you could see her sports bra. And I 147 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: remember it being a very scandalous thing at the time 148 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: for a woman to expose herself on national television, even 149 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: though people run around with sports bras and go to 150 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: the beach with bikinis, but this was scandalous. But it 151 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: was just an exciting time me and Ham was really 152 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: big at that time too, and she had this commercial 153 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: with Michael Jordan where they were competing with each other 154 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: and they sang that song anything you can do, I 155 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: can do better? You guys remember that? 156 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I do. 157 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: It was also coming off the Tale of the ninety 158 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: six Olympics and the US women's Olympic gymnastics team. Is 159 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: just the nineties was a great time in women's sports. 160 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I remember that being that clip of 161 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: Amy and Ham being put in uh Bennett like Beckham 162 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: and that significance even like translated all over the world 163 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: and how big that was, and that that kind of 164 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: cemented US women's soccer because they're like, no, they're you 165 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: legitimately can play there, and they're they're actually celebrated, which 166 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: from our perspective, they really weren't celebrated as much as 167 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: they should have been. But the fact that they still 168 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: made it that big that it went into like international 169 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: films and you're like, wow, okay, look at those they 170 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: are like leaders of this amazing thing that should have 171 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: been happening a long time ago. But I remember that 172 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: being such a distinct moment and an accomplishment from the 173 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: for the US. 174 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: Definitely, they dominated the early years and they came out 175 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: and they showed the world really that you know, we're women, 176 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: we're here, we can play, and we're entertaining. People like 177 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: to watch us, so watch out. 178 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: I have to ask who is your favorite player? Then 179 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: who would you call as your person? 180 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: So I can't answer that. I can't answer that. Oh no, 181 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: there's too many, There's too many. 182 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: Can you give a top three? 183 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: I really like Abbi Wanmback. He was yeah, epic in 184 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: the early twenty tens. There's this really cool picture that's 185 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: circulating on the internet that has a picture of Sophia Smith, 186 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: who is a current US women's national player. She's like 187 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: one of the youngest. She's twenty two and it's a 188 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: picture of her with Abby Womback and she's like seven 189 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: years old. So it's so cool to see that. You know, 190 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: she had her as an icon growing out and then 191 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: went on to become, you know, a household name herself 192 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: and the future of women's soccers. Love Tone Heath and 193 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: Christian Press. They have their own clothing and philanthropy kind 194 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: of company that they have called re Ink. They're super cool. 195 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: I love them both. Of course, who doesn't love Megan 196 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: Lupino and all that she stands for. Right, I don't 197 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: know I could describe, I could talk about all of them. 198 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: They're just so great, all of it. I'm just a 199 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: fan girl. I love it. 200 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: Yes, And we have been talking about a lot the 201 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: history of women's soccer and how it didn't get the 202 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: same attention and the fight for equal pay when you know, 203 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: and even like just viewership opportunities or equipment or things 204 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: like that. So I think a lot of times people forget, 205 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: they don't forget, or maybe maybe they just don't think 206 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: about it. But when you think about all that's going 207 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: on in women's soccer, it is so many things that 208 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: women are fighting for outside of that realm. Because I 209 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: feel like too. For a long time, especially in the US, 210 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: where soccer wasn't as big as it is in other places, 211 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: it was just sort of assumed like it's just some 212 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: men's team, it's not women's team. Women don't really do that, right, Yeah, 213 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: and so that is changing. That is changing, and I 214 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: feel that in part because of the work of these players, 215 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: some of some of the ones you're mentioning, have really 216 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: brought these issues to light and it has grown in popularity, 217 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: which brings us, I think to this most recent World 218 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: Cup today is August twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. It 219 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: is my birthday, just because this is a re an event. 220 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: So if you're listening to it, things may change. And yeah, 221 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: this is we're just having a conversation about about it. 222 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: But we are largely depending on you White because Samantha 223 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: and I watched games with you, and I've read that, 224 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: I've read some news, I've seen some you know, social 225 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: media post about it. But I think that's the extent 226 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: of our knowledge so if you could break break it 227 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: down for us, give us some of the ups and 228 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: downs of this World Cup. 229 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: So the World Cup itself is about a month long event. 230 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: This year it was co hosted by Australia and New Zealand, 231 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: so they had games in both countries. And the way 232 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: it starts out is there are I don't remember how 233 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: many groups, but there are group there's a group stage 234 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: and elimination stage. Each group has four teams that are 235 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: selected or the decided pawn by the FIFA higher ups. 236 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what they're called. But in the group stage, 237 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: each team has to play every other team in their 238 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: group once and the top two from each group move 239 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: on to the elimination stage. The United States has always 240 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: made it to the elimination stage. This was the first 241 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: time in World Cup history that that was questioned, so 242 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: that's kind of a big deal. What's cool, though, is 243 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: they're also this was the first year it was expanded 244 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: to include thirty two teams, and a lot of people 245 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: were skeptical because the United States has such a history 246 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: of dominating the Women's World Cup. They're like, it's not 247 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: going to be a competition, it's not going to be 248 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: interesting people aren't going to want to watch it. We 249 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: saw quite a few upsets this year. In fact, there 250 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: were three African nations that made it to the elimination 251 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: stage for the first time in history, South Africa, Nigeria, 252 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: and Morocco, which was super cool. So what I think 253 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: that says is that the sport itself is growing. The 254 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: ripple effects of the success of the United States and 255 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: have spread throughout and so these programs are getting more money, 256 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: and they're being more developed, and it is becoming more competitive, 257 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: which is a good thing. We want it to be 258 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: more competitive, right, So some big names and world soccer 259 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: Brazil and Canada. Canada is the reigning Olympic champion. Both 260 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: Brazil and Canada were knocked out in the group stage, 261 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: which means they didn't even make it to the elimination stage, 262 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: which is a pretty big deal. Those were pretty big upsets. 263 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: As for the US, if you've seen the news, if 264 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: you've seen the heartbreak, we were knocked out in the 265 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: very first round of the group stage due to PK. 266 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: So it went to pks meaning p cases penalty kicks, 267 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: which means it went full time, which is ninety minutes 268 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: plus another overtime which is two fifteen minutes, so one 269 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty minutes, and then it came down to 270 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: them squaring off each other goalie versus one person. So 271 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: it's really a cruel way to lose, you think about it, 272 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: because it's just like it's painful. 273 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: It's kind of that vital moment in any kind of 274 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: sports trauma, and you're like, sorry to bring it up again. 275 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: No, it's fine. And there's some heartbreak too in that. 276 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: The expectation was there because you know, we were the 277 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: winners of the last two World Cups, so everybody wants 278 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: to see a three peat. Everyone wants the three peat. 279 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: But in reality, we have a much younger team. Our 280 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: players that were the stars of previous World Cups are 281 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: getting up there in age, they're injured. You know, it's 282 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: not saying it's time for them to move on, but 283 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: it's like it's a transition period for the United States, 284 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: and I think them getting knocked out it's not a 285 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: negative thing per se. I think it just shows how 286 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: much the rest of the world has come to be 287 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: at the table. Does that make sense? 288 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously when with a growing sport like this, 289 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: things are changing. And then also it makes it more 290 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: exciting to see the upsets. I know, with different teams 291 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 3: that won for the first time. You're like, oh my god, 292 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: that's amazing. You love seeing them put being put on 293 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: a map and like everybody who thought they would be 294 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: underdogs coming on top or knocking out some of the 295 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: biggest teams. Even though it hurts, it's still fun to 296 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 3: watch to see that that opportunity for other teams and 297 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: countries to be able to show we can get this done. 298 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely still sad, though. 299 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 300 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: One of my favorite moments in this tournament for the 301 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: women's the US women's national team was the US versus 302 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: the Netherlands game, which was the last game of the 303 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: group stage, and it was zero to zero for a 304 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: long time. And this was a really critical game because 305 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: basically the US had to at least either draw or 306 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: win in order to advance, in order to be in 307 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: the top to move to the nation stage. It was 308 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: a really critical game for them. And there were two 309 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: players that are actually teammates outside of the World Cup stage, 310 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: Lindsay Heran and Van der Donk. I don't remember she's 311 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: placed for the Netherlands. They both played for Leon and 312 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: there was an incident where Van der Donk basically hip 313 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: checked the crap out of Lindsay her end. There was 314 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: no malice involved, but it was really it was really 315 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: rough and Lindsay was good and there was a little 316 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: bit of a scuffle between the two. You could say 317 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: there were there might have been a shove there, and 318 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: the ref had to be like, okay, ladies, let's chill out. 319 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: And immediately after that, the US had a corner kick off, 320 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: of which Lindsay Heran scored with the header, and it 321 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: was just so satisfying to see her exact her revenge 322 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: on her teammates slash front of me in that moment. 323 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: But the most beautiful thing was at the very end 324 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: you saw the two players come together and they talked 325 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: and they laughed and they hugged it out. So it's like, 326 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 2: we can be fierce, we can be competitors, but at 327 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: the end of the day, we're friends, and you know, 328 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: we're glad to be in the sixth yeriod. 329 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, that's like you and me. 330 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: That's right. 331 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: And I was going to say, is the two of 332 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 3: you you yelling at each other? 333 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,239 Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. 334 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 6: Definitely, get changed, get change based on the day, But 335 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 6: I know you had other you had other highlights, right, yeah. 336 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: Not specifically like a scoring moment, but something I thought 337 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: was really cool going back to like the players using 338 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: their platforms for good. Naomi Germa, she is a bad 339 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: at bad a defender that played for Stanford and was 340 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year and Defender of the Year her 341 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: first year in the NWSL. So I don't know if 342 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: you guys remember, but Katie Meyer was a player at 343 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Stanford that tragically took her home life under questionable circumstances 344 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: that had to deal with some disciplinary action at the university. 345 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 2: But she was one of Naomi Gurma's teammates and one 346 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: of her best friends, and so as part of her 347 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: playing in this World Cup, Naomi Germa teamed up with 348 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: some of the other players on the US on his 349 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: team to promote talking about mental health and being open 350 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: and vulnerable. So as part of that, Naomi Germa dedicated 351 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: her playing in this World Cup to one of her 352 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: best friends, Katie Meyer, and teamed up with the rest 353 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 2: of the national team and common goal to ensure that 354 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: we have these mental health conversations and that it is 355 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: a focus, especially in the sports world where it can 356 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: be incredibly competitive and there's a lot of pressure and 357 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: you're expected to be perfect, You're expected to be on 358 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: all of the time. If you make any mistakes, there's 359 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: a lot of hatred. You know, anyone can be a 360 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: bully on the internet. So I thought that was really 361 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: awesome that she dedicated this World Cup to her following 362 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: comrade and used it per platform to promote a good cause. Yeah. 363 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's true. Like people are so invested in 364 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: things like this and they want their team to win. 365 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: So I think any perceived mistake, it's like really targeted, like, oh, 366 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: you ruined it. Now we won't win because of something 367 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: you did. I can only imagine the pressure of something 368 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: like that. And we've had a lot of conversations about 369 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: that recently, about the the real pressure put on these athletes, 370 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: especially like younger athletes and women athletes, of you have 371 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: to be so good, like so perfect, and the detriment 372 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: to their mental health and their physical health. 373 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: Honestly, right, and we know that in general, even if 374 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 3: they are perfect, they're going to be whatever else, whether 375 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: it's looks or family or school or like, it doesn't matter. 376 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 3: Level of scrutiny especially women in the sports, especially any 377 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: marginalized person in sports that is actually doing well will 378 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 3: get like either way, and even more so if you're 379 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: if they if you don't perform to the level that 380 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: they expect you to, which is hilarious because when we 381 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 3: talk about like Simone Biles, who is like champion then 382 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 3: gold medal after gold medal, they still criticize her for 383 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: everything and anything, and she's become a political pawn somehow 384 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 3: we see like her name being brought up, but the 385 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 3: women's soccer we know that that's been an issue as well, 386 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: because they've been used as political pawns and political platforms 387 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: and conversations about why they don't deserve as much and 388 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: the amount of like ridicule they get. So the pressure 389 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: in itself just trying to live and do something you 390 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: love is so overwhelming, and then we know that when 391 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 3: it comes to mental health, that's the first thing people 392 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: want to ignore, and then to see things like that 393 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: when they when things do fall apart or when things 394 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: go tragically and having to use your voice, and why 395 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: it's so important that that does happen. It's unfortunate that 396 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 3: that she has to carry that on for herself going 397 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: through something so horrible, but the fact that she's willing 398 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 3: to do it is an amazing thing, amazing amount of 399 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: love and support sportsmanship in itself to do that is incredible. 400 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: But it's Yeah, it needs to be talked about way 401 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: more because I cannot believe that we're not having this 402 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: bigger conversation about the needs of taking care of our 403 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: athletes who represent US. 404 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: I think that's one of the coolest things about watching 405 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: the US women's team is how how many of them 406 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: use their platform for good to try and raise awareness 407 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: about a variety of social justice issues. And you know, 408 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: I applaud them for their bravery, especially in this current 409 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: political climate. There's been a lot of backlash. There's been 410 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: lot of conservatives that have mocked them for losing and 411 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: for being eliminated so early. And I'm sorry, but that's 412 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: messed up. And there's still world class athletes and you 413 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: want to use them as you know, upon in your 414 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: political game, and they're they're still they're not stepping down. 415 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: You know, they still stand for what they believe in 416 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: and they say what you want to say, but they're 417 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: we should be proud of them. Yes, something that's crazy 418 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: that some people may not know is that women participating 419 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: in the specifically a FIFA World Cup is a fairly 420 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: recent event that's happened. The first Women's Cup was held 421 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one, so for those of you that math, 422 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: thirty something years ago, right, whereas the first men's FIFA 423 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: World Cup was in nineteen thirty. So that's six plus 424 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: years of women not being represented in a game that 425 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: they played globally, but weren't giving the platform or the 426 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: airtime or the credit to see how far they've come 427 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: and how big they've flown up in thirty years. 428 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive, right, amount of money they weren't making 429 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: in itself. 430 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a whole other. 431 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: Which is what we know is why they they decided 432 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 3: to go ahead and be like, Okay, maybe we're going 433 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: to do a World Cup for women now, which is whatever, 434 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, have you heard of that copa seventy one documentary? 435 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 3: I have not, So we had kind of mentioned it 436 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: in a past because I was trying to get into 437 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: the soccer stuff. It was like, oh, we're going to 438 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: bring on Whitney. I don't have to do this, yeah, 439 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: which I know very little about. We didn't want to 440 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 3: talk about that. There was a documentary that just came out, 441 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: like recently about one of the World Cups that was hosted, 442 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: not a World Cup but a championship I guess that 443 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: was actually hosted in seventy one, and how much money 444 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 3: they brought in at that point all women, and they 445 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: did they had to go and search down all of this, 446 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: like record and film and talk to the individual players 447 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 3: because it was all women. They made up probably more 448 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 3: money than the men that year, for sure, And I 449 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: brought in just as big as a crowd as the 450 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: World Cup that year. And like, it's an amazing documentary, 451 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: but you need to watch it. I think it's gonna 452 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 3: be released soon. 453 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: It's essentially a World Cup that predates yeah, a World Cup. 454 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it only had like eight or ten teams 455 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: in general, Yeah, conticipating, Yeah, but it was still apparently 456 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 3: such a big deal, and they still waited another twenty 457 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: five years or twenty years to do it, Like they 458 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: saw how much money it could make and they're like, nah, 459 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: we're good, and they try to erase it. Actually, that's 460 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: how scared of women they are. 461 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, growing up, when I would try to watch any sport, 462 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: so all of my family I grew up with three brothers, 463 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: so I was the only girl for the longest time 464 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: and were on TV and all the time. Anytime I 465 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: changed the channel and wanted to watch a women's sports, 466 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: specifically women's basketball or women's soccer, my dad would joke 467 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: and because he knew it, would you know, he could 468 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: get a rise out of me and be like, oh, man, 469 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: I'd rather watch paint dry rather Yeah, and he thought 470 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: he was being funny, but like it's kind of true, 471 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: like the that was the attitude towards watching women's sports 472 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: on television at that time and kind of is for 473 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 2: some people still, which is right terrible. He was still reality. 474 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really frustrating because it's always like the second 475 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: it's like the men's they go first, right then no 476 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: women in terms of like airtime or just even events. Uh, 477 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: there's scene this secondary which I do think women's soccer 478 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: really shone a light on, Like well why though, because. 479 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: I'm not doing so like look at us and men's 480 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: national shall we sha wee chili? 481 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: Indeed? 482 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: But something else you mentioned, because when I first approached 483 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: you about this, I was like, would you like to 484 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: talk about it? And then you had all of these 485 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: things and it was amazing. I was like, this is 486 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: the best. But something else you mentioned was kind of 487 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: how queer this World Cup was, but also the kind 488 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: of backlash against that, especially with like the arm bands, 489 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: in the banning of the like the pride arm bands, 490 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: I guess can you talk about that a little bit. 491 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: So I think this originated from a ruling that occurred 492 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: in the Men's World Cup last year in Cutter Because 493 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: it's primarily Islamic nation, there was there was some dispute 494 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: between PIFA, the organization, and the post country themselves and 495 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: it will compromise they came to is that they you know, 496 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: we used to have pride armbands for the captains that 497 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: would just be a rainbow. Just a rainbow arm band 498 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. Hey, this is a rainbow arman and 499 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: those were band from where during the play as kind 500 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: of like a compromise for them to be able to 501 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: host in the country, which is really unfortunate. But that 502 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 2: rolling hasn't changed and so for the Women's Cup, they 503 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: also haven't been able to wear the pride arm bands, 504 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: even though there's a tremendous amount of queer women in 505 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: this World Cup. So some things that people have done. 506 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: One of my favorite players, Ali Riley. She's actually from 507 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: New Zealand, but she plays here in the US. She 508 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: painted her nails. On one hand, she painted them rainbow 509 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: and then on the other hand she did pink, blue 510 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: and white for the transmuted fly. That thought was super cool, 511 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: just like it looked like a little like subtle, like 512 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: f were still gonna, you know, represent be an ally. 513 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: You know, it was really cool. But yeah, I I'm 514 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: not gonna lie. Most of the information that I get 515 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: on the World Cup comes from my Instagram fee and 516 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: which is about fifty percent soccer at this point, my algorithm, 517 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: which is gay. 518 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: But you know what came in that way too. I 519 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: kept getting like like all the queer days and I'm like, 520 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: what's happening? Which I thought about, but I'm very confused. 521 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, well, I like this is the content 522 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: I would want. 523 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: Right, So I stumbled upon an article that said that 524 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: this was the queerest World Cup in history, and specifically 525 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: that there are ninety six out of g BTQ athletes 526 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: in this World Cup, which roughly translates to about thirteen 527 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: percent of the entire player population, which is awesome. And 528 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: what's awesome is that. Obviously this has been the case forever, 529 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: but now we have people that are comfortable, brave enough 530 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: to be open about it and you know, like take 531 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: ownership of their identity and who they are. We have 532 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: our first out trans non binary player, Quinn, who plays 533 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: for Canada. Super cool to see that, and just just 534 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: going back to these women using their platform to create representations, 535 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: like to provide that representation that we have been needing 536 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: for a century, you know. True. 537 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 3: I loved all the watching clips of everybody hugging each other, 538 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: finding each other's partners and like celebrating together. It was 539 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: beautiful to see the fashion in itself everybody like that 540 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: was one of the number one things that I would say, Yes, 541 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: sus I was like, yes, I get it for somebody. 542 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: And again his very taleing, I'm like, I don't I'm 543 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: not as queer, but okay, yeah, okay, y'all just keep it. 544 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: Looks good on them, they look good. 545 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: You're queer advacing. I was like, this is not a 546 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: bad thing. 547 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I'm like keeping all this is. 548 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: This is a safer space for me. I like this, 549 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: and we're killing it. They were killing it. I was like, ah, yeah, okay, 550 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: I like that. Maybe we think my wardrobe mmmm killany 551 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: they look good? 552 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of I did have a couple of things 553 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: I want to mention, uh that I've seen. One is 554 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: I saw this headline that was talking about this pushback 555 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: against white shorts in the Women's World Cup, and I 556 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh, why, And then when I read it, 557 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, obviously because periods it's not 558 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: something you want to think about and not a comfortable thing. 559 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: But it just never occurred to me. I literally was like, 560 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: what could it be. 561 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: Just or if it rains underwear outlines? White shorts are 562 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: just a bad idea for all people. 563 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 3: M I think it's kind of funny because at the 564 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 3: same time, yes, we want to let's just be comfortab 565 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: why can't they just be comfortable? Why can't they be reasonable? 566 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 3: But like, hey, don't complain when periods happen. It exists, 567 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 3: and you need to understand that these women are playing 568 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 3: under some of the most awful situations, and periods would 569 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 3: be one of those situations, like we should pay them 570 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 3: more just for doing that. 571 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: Right, Honestly, you're welcome have a uterus that bleeds more money. 572 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 3: Right, right, or you have to suffer through this and 573 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 3: y'all should pay me absolutely well. 574 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: That's one of the things. We've had so many conversations 575 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: about this. I mean speaking of things that are shockingly recent, 576 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: but I mean when it comes to women's uniforms and 577 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: how sexist it is. Like we went over in the 578 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: Olympics the requirements for like the handball team and the 579 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: volleyball team that are just so different damn what it 580 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: is for men. So I thought that was interesting that 581 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: that's another piece of this conversation. And then I wanted 582 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: to talk about something that happened recently that was not good. 583 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: But before we do that, Segue Spain won the World Cup, right, 584 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: why is the first time? Congratulations? Like so, you know, 585 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: I hate that we have to talk about what we 586 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: have to talk about next, but like, congratulations. But there 587 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: was a there's been a lot of controversy because first 588 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: of all, some of the players like refused to play 589 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: under the men that were running it, the Spanish organization 590 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: and the coach, and then the guy who is president 591 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: of the organization there he kissed one of the players 592 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: forcibly in front of cameras. 593 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and. 594 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: She Ben is in a very strange place where she's 595 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: like I didn't want it. I don't know what to 596 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: do about it, Like can we forget about it? But 597 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: he also really made it about himself and the male coach, 598 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: like he really really did. And it infuriates me because 599 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: they did this thing they won for the first time, 600 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: Like that should be the conversation we're having and instead 601 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: it's like this guy felt like he could kiss this 602 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: woman in public, in front of everybody, in front of cameras, 603 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: and then was like it's thanks to the male coach 604 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: really that this happens. So it's just like really frustrating. 605 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: And I know some of the other players have spoken 606 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: out from like the US team and been like this 607 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: is this is the misogyny of it, that they think 608 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: it's their space and that they this is just a 609 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: body that they can do whenever they want to. And 610 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: it took me down a whole I read this whole 611 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: article about like the history of men publicly kissing women 612 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: against their will and like very like on TV and 613 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: then being like, oh, well, it was the moment or 614 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: you weren't there, you didn't feel the emotion and all 615 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: of this stuff, but like you're just that's not acceptable, 616 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: that's just not. 617 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: Acceptable, unacceptable. I have to say that. So I did 618 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: watch the incident that you're talking about. It happened during 619 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: the metal ceremony after the game concluded, and so all 620 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 2: the players walk across the stage. The queen, the Queen 621 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 2: of Spain was there as well as her daughter, and 622 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: they all congratulated them. Most of them did hug and 623 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 2: as in Spanish culture to do kiss on either one 624 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 2: or both keiks. And so as I was watching that, 625 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 2: seeing people kiss on the cheeks, that didn't seem out 626 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: of the ordinary tea. But then, like you said, when 627 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: Ermoso went to to hug him, he just just laid 628 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: one honor without hurt any you know, permission, whatsoever. And 629 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 2: it's just one hundred percent unprofessional, and it detracts from 630 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 2: their moment, detracts from their celebration, like it marred their 631 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 2: their awards ceremony that they've worked their lives for. Like 632 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: it's I'm sorry, no. 633 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 3: It is appropriate, you know, And like I don't know 634 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 3: any of this incident. I'm now looking it up and 635 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: I was like, oh damn, what happened, And the comments 636 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: in this section when it reports it, instead of saying 637 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: this is inappropriate. This is wrong. Every excuse for the dude, 638 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 3: as if that's okay, and that's the part of that's like, no, 639 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 3: this is part of the problem when we see things 640 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: like this happen and immediately the first thing people want 641 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 3: to do is defend the dude, instead of saying, yes, 642 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: that's at the very saying that seems inappropriate. Maybe he 643 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: should have done that, maybe they should have been like 644 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 3: this seems all kinds of wrong. Also, do they even 645 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: know each other? So many questions that I would be 646 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: like what what what to this point of like everybody 647 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 3: just defending it, Well, you don't know the culture, like 648 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 3: people who are not from Spain saying we don't know culture. 649 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 3: Was like, which is partially true, but why are you 650 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 3: defending something that she has already made a statement saying 651 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 3: this was unacceptable, Like she's the one. 652 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 2: That says that want it. 653 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,919 Speaker 3: She said, yeah, so that's where we should leave. 654 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 2: There's no question about it. 655 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 3: Was to get like excusing him, which is that whole 656 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 3: big problem, Like, Okay, you don't see why this is 657 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 3: a problem because we're talking about this as Annie was saying, 658 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 3: instead of the fact that they want and to celebrate that, yes. 659 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: It infuriates me. This should be a thing, like they shouldn't. 660 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: They should be just celebrating it. Instead, everyone's like mad 661 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: at her and she's in this horrible place because she's like, 662 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: well what do I do? Being like, well he was 663 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: just did a moment though, so it's fine. 664 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 3: And Okay, that's scary then, Like, why do you think 665 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: his automatic reaction should be to kiss someone? Like that 666 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 3: is a punch from me, like if you touching me, 667 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 3: if you're touching me in any weird way in general, 668 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 3: a kiss like a need of the balls or something, 669 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 3: because like that's your reaction, that's your instinct, not that's 670 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 3: my instinct. 671 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's the thing, is I really? I I 672 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: went on the whole history of this. I was reading 673 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: about it, and there were just so many instances of 674 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: women's same life froze because I felt like I was. 675 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know what 676 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: to do. I didn't feel safe. I knew he was 677 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: like more power than me. If you look at the picture, 678 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: which it's unfortunate and you can find it, it doesn't 679 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: it looks really aggressive like it doesn't. 680 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 3: It does. 681 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: It's a very forceful and she's just like still not reciprocating, 682 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: like and then and then he went on and said 683 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: like we're gonna go and get married, like he didn't 684 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: like let up. And then I think that is it 685 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: President of Spain Prime Minister saying he was like this 686 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: apology is not enough, like it's become this whole thing 687 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: when they should just be allowed to acceelebrate without a 688 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: man coming in. 689 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 2: Which is why I also, I was happy that the 690 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 2: Queen of Spain's there, and I was like, yes, it 691 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 2: is and there all of their interactions were totally appropriate. 692 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 2: There was no weirdness there. 693 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 3: But that's the This is the part is like for 694 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 3: the star player, this is the moment that's pictured everywhere. 695 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 3: This would piss me off. That's the picture. That's the 696 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 3: picture that people are gonna remember. 697 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 2: Why Jenior I'm also is one of them, like the 698 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: best players in the world bar none. So the fact 699 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 2: that that he even has to be associated with that 700 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 2: instead of her accomplishments as a soccer player, that sucks. 701 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was that was the psychology I was 702 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: reading behind. It was it's always like, let me make 703 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: this celebration about me, let me make sure I'm when 704 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: men do it. It's like, let me make sure I 705 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: am showing like I am the dominant person here. 706 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 3: And the way he aggressively grabs her head, Yeah. 707 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: It does suck. I hate that. I hate it. I 708 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: hate it. 709 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 3: Well, did you actually read the statement that he makes 710 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 3: as the apology. Now that I'm reading, I'm like, oh, yeah, 711 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 3: he's an whole like just straightforward, like it says, I 712 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 3: have to apologize. There's no other option, right, he says 713 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 3: in the video. And furthermore, learn from this and understand 714 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 3: that when you are president of an institution as important 715 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 3: as the Federation, you have to be more careful, especially 716 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 3: in ceramony. So all of that was like no, so 717 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 3: you don't understand. And even if it wasn't a ceremony, 718 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 3: that's wrong. What do you do this on the daily? 719 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 3: That's questions? Then we need a lot. 720 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: Of question Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, that's assault. 721 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: Like I said, I believe it was thirteen to fifteen 722 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: players like refused to play under him until they made changes. 723 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: So you're probably spot on Smith that. I'm sure he 724 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: is a complete douche. He has done this before, like 725 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: with cameras not there. 726 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'm questioning yeah, I'm questioning if there's going to 727 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 3: be like a me too through that organization because that's 728 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 3: heavy handidly like obvious that he thinks he has that right. 729 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 3: So what does that mean? Yep ooh, congratulations really honestly. 730 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 2: Like, good job. 731 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: I hate it, I really hate it he did this, 732 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just wanted to. I knew he had 733 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: to talk about that. But I guess, is there like 734 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: a high not or is there something we can end 735 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: on on the high note? Is there anything you're looking 736 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: forward to any other I don't know, happier thing that 737 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 1: we can end on. 738 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 2: This is not like an actual soccer moment. It's just 739 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 2: a moment that happened on the internet. Really. When the 740 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 2: US was eliminated, like I said, there was tons of backlash, 741 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 2: even from former US women's players. Carly Lloyd, who's now 742 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 2: an announcer and you know, talked about how this team 743 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 2: was didn't the culture was different from when she was 744 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 2: a player, and that the work pick wasn't there, and 745 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 2: she made she made disparaging remarks about uh Repino smiling 746 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 2: after she missed her final PK of her career, essentially, 747 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 2: and I think what was inspiring to me was to 748 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 2: see all of her, all of the actual team members 749 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 2: come back and use their platforms to say, hey, we're here. 750 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 2: We know this is what your expectation was. But don't 751 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 2: you dare say we don't work hard. You know, some 752 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 2: people laugh when they're sad and uncomfortable, So like you 753 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 2: want us to smile, you don't want us to smile. 754 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 2: Which one is it? Make up your mind. But they 755 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 2: were there for each other as a team, and they 756 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 2: you know, their cohesiveness and their willingness to stand up 757 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 2: for themselves and each other. I think that that's the 758 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: big takeaway from this is just the representation and these 759 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 2: beautiful humans using their platform for good. Yeah. 760 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 3: The haters, yeah, exactly, the maters, but also ununity. I 761 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 3: love to see that. That's amazing. 762 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And going back to what you said, I love 763 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: that for younger people who maybe are you know, you 764 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: trying to watch women's sports as a child and getting 765 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: kind of made fun of for it, Like maybe that's 766 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: shifting and being able to see this and being inspired 767 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: by it, whether that is just finding your friend that 768 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: you're competitive with and have fun with, or going up 769 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: to the national international level or whatever it is. Like 770 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when we say inspired, 771 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: it feels like you have to be like the best 772 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: star ever. But it could really be like you just oh, 773 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: maybe I want to go play that, and then you 774 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: make friends through that and then something happens through that. 775 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: I think that's really powerful. And I think that having 776 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: these people to watch and to look up to and 777 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: seeing how they are unified and have each other's backs 778 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: and how they have these platforms and what they're standing 779 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: for like that is really powerful. And they really like 780 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: they really have been vocal about about like equal pay, 781 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: about queer rights and about mental health, like all of 782 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: these things they really have and so I think that's 783 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: usually important too. So yeah, good things. 784 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,720 Speaker 3: There are good things. 785 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: There are there are Perhaps Whitney and I shall have 786 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: a rematch. I don't know what's sport. 787 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 3: I was gonna say. You have yet to say which 788 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 3: sport you know are really competitive out than where you 789 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 3: got when you got everyone. It's one of the things 790 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 3: like when you do your yearly trip to the beach 791 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 3: and then have your Olympics, which are yes. 792 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 2: People know the Olympics. I just want you to know. 793 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 2: I won the most gold medals in the defeated wops 794 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 2: my own horn. I also would like it to be 795 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 2: on record that I once beat Annie at Star Wars 796 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 2: Sate and we don't need to go into that anymore. 797 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: Infamous moment. How dare you? Was I supposed to know 798 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: that that was top of the hut? 799 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 2: And yet, for those of you that don't know me 800 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,479 Speaker 2: any Star Wars knowledge is far to pass his mind. 801 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 2: So it was just a very triumphant moment. 802 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 3: It is a good moment. 803 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: I clearly remember that the loss. 804 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,879 Speaker 3: I knew about it before I've met you. 805 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, the story tales of the halls of any friendship. 806 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: That a plaque or something for sure, that's true. That's true. 807 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: I still have Star Wars seen it. I don't know 808 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,720 Speaker 1: if I could stomach it again. 809 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 3: But maybe losing so hard she's just too bad. 810 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: I like how you said so hard. I don't whatever 811 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: you lost. 812 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you lose, yeah. 813 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: It was bad. It stuck with me. 814 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 2: But I learned, and yet and yet we remain, and. 815 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still friends. 816 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: That's good sports, Yes, good sports. Sports. Well, thank you 817 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: so much for coming on, Whitney. This has been so fun. 818 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I've enjoyed myself. 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