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Speaker 3: of refert That's like Malcolm X catching the jungle fever.

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Speaker 4: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 3: How you doing on this Valentine's Day? Yes, I know

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Speaker 3: a bunch of you virgins are not going to really

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Speaker 3: be celebrating today, But us married men, we're also not

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 4: What's morning?

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Speaker 3: Combat right here? Joining you on this Friday? Did it

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Speaker 3: get you ready for the u UFC weekend? And of

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Speaker 3: course talking about all of the news in combat sports.

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Speaker 3: My name is Luke Thomas. I am merely one half

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Speaker 3: of your hosting dual. I joined you from the capital

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Speaker 3: of Astatus News right here in Washington, d C. Joined

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Speaker 3: by this guy who I'm guessing is wearing the hat

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Speaker 3: because he didn't shower this morning. He's the king of

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Speaker 3: He's the king of chronic traumatic and simplopathy. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it is thank you, the king of CT. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate that very much. I like that you open the

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Speaker 2: show with an MLK reference because we all know Luke

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Speaker 2: he was the dom cruise of civil rights. So that

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Speaker 2: is a hell of a shout out and comparison here.

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Speaker 2: But it's Friday then people out there ain't got shit

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Speaker 2: to do. Maybe saw Wool's on a roof somewhere in Louisville.

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Speaker 2: But I'm happy to be back at it. Let's bang.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was on MMA fightings below the

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Speaker 2: a Luke Thomas like meltdown?

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, I missed it. What happened over.

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Speaker 2: His anger that Mahachev might be fighting to pour? It

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Speaker 4: Why was it worth melting down over?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you're gonna have to ask Jed.

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Speaker 3: But you.

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Speaker 2: You Georgians seem to get very upset on air when

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Speaker 2: talking about Georgians, so you know, you know there it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Jed probably also had done galaxy gas during

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Speaker 3: between takes, so you know, who knows what kind of

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Speaker 3: mind frame he was in. Hey, let's remind everyone thumbs up.

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Speaker 3: If you're watching, thank you so much for watching. Just

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Speaker 3: the same subscribe if you would be so kind. Appreciate

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Speaker 3: everyone tuning in. Of course you can see all our

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Speaker 3: socials there. You can also get the Brian Campbell experience

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Speaker 3: on YouTube as well as my own personal channel there

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Speaker 3: as well. Hey, and you can follow me on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 3: But see, I kind of like Blue Sky. People a

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Speaker 3: bag on it. But it does have problems. It's got

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Speaker 3: real problems.

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Speaker 2: But you have power rights on that or.

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Speaker 4: Powerslap on it.

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Speaker 3: Also, it's less about what Blue Sky has versus what

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Speaker 3: it doesn't. And what it doesn't have is the third

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Speaker 3: Reich in my comments and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what reason. I kind of got fed

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Speaker 2: up yesterday about the racism and combat sports, and like

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Speaker 2: of tweet. I didn't expect that many people justifying racism

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Speaker 2: and telling me to stop crying. It was an indictment.

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Speaker 2: It was an indictment on society. But here we are

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Speaker 2: still fighting the good fight. It's okay to love one

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Speaker 2: another in this world, all right, it's not a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: There you go, Yeah, there you go. Listen, you start

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Speaker 3: saying things like seatbelts don't matter, you end up in

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Speaker 4: But as I.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned, hit by a train, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Right on the docket today there is a UFC Fight

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, you put on a main event worth staying

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's not a bad main event.

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Speaker 3: I'm in let's go fair enough, let's bring in the

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Speaker 5: It's no Riod, it's no real and yeah it's no

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Speaker 2: Both the bonb Theme brothers, bond themes.

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Speaker 3: Let's go. I was gonna say, like, don't besmirched the

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Speaker 3: I want to circle back to that when we talk

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Speaker 2: Luke shout out to Tula Trees right.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I'm not currently in a sponsorship agreement.

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Speaker 4: Now we went down there.

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Speaker 3: I think I had too many gummies. I had too

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Speaker 7: So obviously in the aftermath, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 8: it just was a very underwhelming performance in an opportunity

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Speaker 3: That should be enough to get you motivated, to get you.

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Speaker 8: So you know, it just it just to me was, uh,

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Speaker 3: It's on all of us.

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Speaker 8: It's on me as a coaching staff, it's on John

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Speaker 8: If it's if it's just to make money, then that's

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Speaker 8: You know, I want to I want to coach world

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Speaker 3: Now, BC, before we go to this one more time,

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Speaker 3: let's play what Sean Strickler had to say Long Island. Look,

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Speaker 9: All right, guys keep tagging me about this way or thing,

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Speaker 9: and god damn it, because I like Eric. He's a

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Speaker 9: friend of mine. Will he probably be in my corner?

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Speaker 9: Probably not. We have so many great guys that extreme Nate,

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Speaker 2: But you know, man, that entire.

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Speaker 2: It's close, It's close to the line for sure. I

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Speaker 2: the comments Nick Sick said about how I coach champions here,

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Speaker 2: good enough for me. And that's, in my opinion, not

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Speaker 2: It's also one of the most sensitive sports. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what this is to me? This is tough love.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Strickland didn't have good excuses as to

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Speaker 2: That's all true. So if Nixick already fell potentially after

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Speaker 2: the other direction. Right, That's how I look at it

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Speaker 2: for Eric Nixck. Is it the preferred method every coach

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Speaker 2: should go in this situation? No, but we obviously don't

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Speaker 2: know the deep dynamics of the relationship beyond hearing Strickland

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Speaker 2: say so often how key Nixck has been for him

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Speaker 2: to dig even deeper, to pull out performances that that

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Speaker 2: This isn't me getting back at Strickland for years of

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Speaker 2: him saying ridiculous things like I respect the hustle to

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Speaker 2: sort of inspirational rant from Strickland. So if we're looking

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Speaker 2: at a sport, that's life and death in the cage.

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Speaker 2: But we can't take the criticism of a coach who

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Speaker 2: honest here. I think this is much to do about nothing,

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Speaker 2: And I know on the flip side, people get mad

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Speaker 2: You guys are soft in a sport that's cage fighting. Well,

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Speaker 2: if we're in a cage fighting sport, can a coach

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Speaker 2: not challenge his own man after a clearly disappointing performance

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Speaker 2: In the end, Luke, I've got no issues with what

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Speaker 3: I don't have much to add to that, though I

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Speaker 3: spoken to Eric Nixic yesterday evening. I did speak to

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Speaker 3: him a little bit about some of this stuff. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not really going to divulge what he told me,

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Speaker 4: I don't listen.

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Speaker 3: Is there an argument to be made that, you know,

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Speaker 3: That seems fine if you want to make that argument,

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Speaker 3: but it's like, I really don't. I don't understand some

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Speaker 3: is about being a brave and daring truth teller in

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Speaker 3: either way though unfiltered. Right, We're just gonna tell you

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Speaker 3: I don't understand. First of all, we're not even exactly

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Speaker 3: like I want to say, a horrifying performance, but a

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Speaker 3: really bad performance. If we're talking about like title performances,

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Speaker 3: especially in rematches. This is not as bad necessarily a

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Speaker 3: BC as like chill Son and kind of collapsing in

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty bad performance. How is Nixon out of

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Speaker 3: bounds for engaging in a level of candor when that's

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Speaker 3: here's some candor. This is what you get. But BC,

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Speaker 3: to me, the bigger issue is, dude, like, listen, if

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Speaker 3: He's a very good fighter. Is Sean a tough guy?

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Speaker 3: He's I mean, you know, obviously obviously a very tough guy.

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Speaker 3: But something was off And maybe it was the stuff

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Speaker 3: the combination of the two. I don't know. But folks,

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Speaker 3: forget man Eric Nixon and other coaches. They have to

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Speaker 3: spend big portions of their life sacrificing time away from

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Speaker 3: and there was clearly a breakdown as a team in

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Speaker 3: you know, I didn't ask me to say this or anything,

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Speaker 3: but this is something I've just known from interacting with him.

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Speaker 3: You guys have no idea how many people knock on

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Speaker 3: And he has to filter who he has time for

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Speaker 3: and who he doesn't. Clearly Sean Strickl and Eric Nixon

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Speaker 3: prioritize his time to give it to the things, to

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Speaker 3: the projects that I think are the ones that matter

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Speaker 3: the most of him, the ones that you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: maintaining long standing relationships, but if you're going to take

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Speaker 3: on new challenges, these have to be worth your time.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do with your time away

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Speaker 2: Think he does flippantly. I think he does this knowing

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Speaker 2: But the og Zoe who never shows up down here,

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Speaker 2: they were able to in the past. So sum it up,

436
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 2: like we said, this is the last chance attempt at

437
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: tough love. In my opinion, it is what it is,

438
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: But is there a topic to be had, Luke, because

439
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 2: even though I'm happy that Strickland did come clean, because

440
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: I thought it was obvious that he wasn't at his

441
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: best in this fight. You mentioned you didn't think he

442
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 2: looked in the same shape, which might be explainable by

443
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: the injuries he's had. And I don't like when people

444
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 2: lose when it obviously looks like something's wrong and then

445
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: they try to do the tough fighter thing and they

446
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 2: keep it inside. But at the same time, knowing what

447
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 2: we known from that Dila Shaw loss where he came

448
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: in with that serious shoulder injury and now can't even

449
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 2: lift his arm for the rest of his life and

450
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 2: had no chance in that fight. Also, should Strickling have

451
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: even taken this fight?

452
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. So this is the reality.

453
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: And like fighters are, they're just inherently risk takers, right,

454
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: They're just going to take risk. But this is the reality.

455
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: If you go into a fight messed up, is there

456
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: a chance you can win? Of course, there's always going

457
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: to be a chance, but more often than not at

458
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 3: the elite level BC here, and we're talking the common

459
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: denominator here would be title fights, right, because TJ. Dillashaw

460
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 3: in that fight it was a title fight opposite Alja

461
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: man Sterling. Here we have DDP opposite Sean Strickland. If

462
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: you're at that level of a fight and you're going

463
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: in compromise, there's a very good chance you're going to

464
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: get really hurt. And sure enough the arm falls out

465
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: of the socket for TJ. Dilashaw and then look at

466
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 3: the nose of Sean Strickland. Again, that's just part of

467
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: something that can happen in any about I understand it.

468
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: But your chances of that kind of I won't call

469
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 3: it catastrophic, but severe injury or whatever however you like

470
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: to describe that. Medically, your chances that go up exponentially

471
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: when you go up compromised like that, And it's just

472
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 3: an inherent, inherent you know, like this is what this

473
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: is why everyone needs to be on the same page.

474
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: This is why the game plan has to be adhere to.

475
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 3: Is what all the protocols that they put in place,

476
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: because none of them will prevent these kinds of things

477
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 3: from happening, but they certainly minimize the chances. And it

478
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 3: wasn't enough this particular time anyway. One thing I also

479
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: want to say is like people are like I've seen say, well, Eric,

480
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: didn't you know?

481
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't kind enough to Sean?

482
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like, who has been given more grace than

483
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: Sean Strickland? Who who has been given more latitude than

484
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: Sewan Strickland? Right, We're talking about a guy who had

485
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: a completely fucked up background, which is, you know, not

486
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 3: necessarily uncommon in combat sports. But he already had other

487
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 3: people around him, including, but not limited to and at

488
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: the ender that Eric Nixon trying to create an environment

489
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: for him where he could thrive, grow, be a better person,

490
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: contribute to the team. And I think on some level

491
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: there has been some success at that. And for all

492
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: the things he says and for all the people that

493
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: he pisses off, Remember he went after other streum coutar

494
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: coaches a different uh, you know, parts of his UFC

495
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: run like, and he's just been forgiven for all of it.

496
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: It's like they've had to show so much forgiveness, so

497
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: much grace, so much understanding. Well, I would ask those

498
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: folks to do the exact same thing for Eric, even

499
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 3: if you feel like he overstepped the boundaries here. It's

500
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: just really weird to me that one guy gets to

501
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: break all of these norms, expect all of this grace

502
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 3: and then a coach has a you know, a rough

503
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: but candid assessment of it, and now we're breaking all

504
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: the norms of decorum. There are no norms of decorum.

505
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: They've been completely shattered. Let's try to understand what the

506
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: ballgame is here. He had a really bad performance. This

507
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: is one of the very best coaches in the sport

508
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: that clearly aren't seeing eye to eye on this. This

509
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: is what you get. I don't necessarily think it's the

510
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 3: biggest scandal.

511
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah he did mention race in that gym, but I

512
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: don't think they've let a PFL executive come in and

513
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: coach the UFC corner with.

514
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: The Yeah they would, they would. I don't think they

515
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: get sideways with with Ray because Don Don Davis has

516
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 3: just been you know, like like you and me, just

517
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: behind the desk his whole life. But Ray Ray thugged

518
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: it out raised you know what I mean.

519
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 4: Ray's done his time.

520
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: In the in the ring, so to speak. So I

521
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: think there's a little bit more respect for for what

522
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: he's done that could be wrong, but who knows. They're

523
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: not gonna let Randy catour I can tell you.

524
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, he ain't corner and she Real quick, I

525
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: saw that Randy Cooter is coming out with a new

526
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: movie and Big E is in it, a tory ew

527
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: and you know our guy big Ee.

528
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know big He's made a real.

529
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: Big acting turn of lad. He's got a lot of

530
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: great projects coming.

531
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: He's on some Hulu sitcom as well.

532
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: I haven't Yes, lad, I believe it's called shout out

533
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: to Big E as always that you would say, arguably

534
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: the best, the best rack in combat sports. You could

535
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: you go that far?

536
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: He got some big ass titties. You know what I'm saying.

537
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: Hey, well, I was trying to do it, you know,

538
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: politely and affirmative.

539
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: I'll say this for Biggie. This is a true story.

540
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: I've told the public this. When Barbius died, he texted

541
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: me maybe to uh to wish me, you know, to

542
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: send his condolences. So, yes, we love Biggie. Biggie's the man,

543
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: nothing but good things.

544
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: And uh, real quick, Reggie's hurting, dude, it's not it's not.

545
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: Uh do you want to tell people what's because you

546
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: haven't told me. This is the first time I'm hearing

547
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: it too.

548
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: So, uh, he had been eating our Christmas tree and

549
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: the fake snow on and we tried everything sprayed. The

550
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: sprays got him away from it, and it led to, uh,

551
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: it led to a compromise of his immune system. And

552
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: then at the same time, simultaneously had some teeth that

553
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: died and they begin to release a fluid that ultimately

554
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: led to him getting pneumonia. So he was supposed to

555
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: have surgery to remove the teeth a few days ago,

556
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: but his pneumonia is so bad that they pushed it

557
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: off a week and now two weeks. So he has

558
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: to get a ridiculous amount of breathing treatments and medical

559
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: care all day. And it's Uh, he's hurting. He's hurting.

560
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: He's a fighter. He's still you know, seven seven years old.

561
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: He's not he's not too old, luke. But we're getting

562
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: a little nervous over here. We're giving him a lot

563
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: of love and prayer and hope. So uh, if you're

564
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: a big Reggie J fan out there, let's uh one love,

565
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: one love to that guy. But you know, if there's

566
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: any silver lining in this, he's gone from aligned in

567
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: this house too, beloved through this process. So shout out

568
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: to Reggie Jackson getting what he deserves.

569
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, well, mister October, obviously we hope he

570
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: pulls through, and uh, let us know, we'll keep we'll

571
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: keep us posted.

572
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: If you can't, thank you. And the cats, hey, you know,

573
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: you know cat culture, Luke. If one of them is sick,

574
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: the other ones just run up on him and hiss

575
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 2: in his face and whack him. You know what I mean.

576
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: Like Zoey's got no no love and respect for this guy.

577
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for that paw to just drill you

578
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 3: right in the association.

579
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: She bit my elbow twice while you were talking before.

580
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: It's it's a you know, it's a basic instinct style Affairly,

581
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: it's really.

582
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 3: Really got that prey drive.

583
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah righteah, there we go.

584
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: All right, let's go topic number two. B. See, let's

585
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 3: get to the fights this weekend if we can so.

586
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: Jared Kennon here faces Gregory Hadriguez in the main event

587
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: Saturday's UFC Fight Night BC. It is quite obvious that

588
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: this is a bit of a you know, a coming

589
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: or going fight between an old contender and now a

590
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: surging new one. Here's what's interesting b see odds makers

591
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: have Rodriguez, excuse me, Hadriguez as a modest but pretty

592
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: clear favorite. I mean certain places have him well above

593
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: minus two hundred. Are they right to give him the

594
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: edge and as being the favorite over the former middleweight contender,

595
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: or are people still sleeping on the now forty year

596
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 3: old cannonear Well.

597
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: It is two defeats in a row, one by stoppage

598
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: that Cannoneers facing. The age is a big part of

599
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: that too, and has his performances declined along with that?

600
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Excuse me ever since we saw him fight all his

601
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: way to the title level Againstzzy and I would say

602
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: yes on that. Excuse me for my constant burping here,

603
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: but I do really like this Cross for Roads fight,

604
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: and I do really think Hobo Coops should at least

605
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: be a slight veteran because I love what this matchup offers.

606
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: And it's the question of is Cannoneer not as far

607
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: gone as his age in recent performances would tell you

608
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: and he's a sneaky underdog here, or is RoboCop Luke

609
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: who has won five of six as good as somebody

610
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: who has won five of six in this division? It's perfect,

611
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 2: It's certainly his opportunity to remove Cannoneer from the outskirts

612
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: of that title picture and insert himself. But I still

613
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: think Cannoneir is skilled and dangerous enough. There are times, though, Luke,

614
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: in fights where I want him to bring more danger

615
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: of the table. I want him to be more active.

616
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: I want him to stalk rather than counter. I do

617
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: have questions about what this matchup looks like. But should

618
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: we count out the Killer Gorilla?

619
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: No.

620
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: I think he's a very underrated and smart fighter. He

621
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: really turned himself into an effective boxer. I just want

622
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: to see him bring that danger to the table and

623
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: not be chasing the whole fight looking to land that

624
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: big one.

625
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: I I feel like the odds makers probably have this

626
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: one right. I mean, I think what's kind of interesting is, dude,

627
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: that your cat's butthole is distracting?

628
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but she she you know, we have

629
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: a saying in this house. Zoe does as Zoe does,

630
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: whatever she wants she does. Look, you know you can't

631
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: stop her. She's you know, she's a machine. Sorry, keep going.

632
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: Do I need to show up and euthanize her?

633
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that's yeah, under the Okay, I mean rip Barbus. Please, okay,

634
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.

635
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: In all seriousness, I actually, first of all, I really

636
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: like this fight. I do. I think it's it's an

637
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: interesting coming or going fight. Hadriguez thirty two years of age,

638
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, canony or forty. The question is are

639
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: the odds makers sleeping on cannon ear And I just

640
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: don't think that they are. It's not like Hardriguez is

641
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: some kind of prohibitive favorite, and I'm not trying to

642
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: make it just about the betting odds aspect. I'm kind

643
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: of using that as a proxy for who is favored

644
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: to win, and like sort of what what the bigger

645
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: circumstances are that informed that judgment, And I you know,

646
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 3: again the youth will be part of it. Also. Hadriguez

647
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 3: kind of surging here and has a lot of different

648
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: ways to make his offense felt. He can go for

649
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: takedowns and in fact, I think average is nearly three

650
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: per fifteen minutes. He puts on higher volume in terms

651
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: of strikes landed per minute than Jared Kennoneer. He go

652
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: back to watch that the last fight that or that

653
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: I don't know it was the last one, but the

654
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: Kyle Bohalio fight that Kennon Ear had. It just seemed

655
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: like he was a step behind the youthful vigor, the

656
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: ability to like land with differentiation of targets. I'm not

657
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: saying Hadriguez and Bohalio are the same, and they don't

658
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: even stand in the same stance that they're not, but

659
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: they can do a lot of they can meet a

660
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: lot of the same criteria to get ahead in that way.

661
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: And so it ends up to me, I think, being

662
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: a situation where like I love these these you know,

663
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: as I mentioned coming or going old versus new, you know,

664
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: who's really got a place in this the future of

665
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: the top of this division.

666
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: I love those stakes.

667
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: Now it seems to me, B see cannon Ear is

668
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: keenly aware of really what's happening here. He told our

669
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: friends at Submission Radio that he kind of knows he's

670
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: a gatekeeper. Let's roll the audio.

671
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: Without meaning even knowing.

672
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: I've become a gate keeper. And the more I talk

673
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: about it, you know, a gate cape, Ma, this is.

674
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: Not my sins man, I don't hold that.

675
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 6: Ye you know here, I am mister gatekeeper ready to

676
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 6: fight Saturday.

677
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: And that's not what I'm thinking whatsoever.

678
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 10: The fact that the fact that I'm here doing these

679
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 10: interviews and I have to articulate things, and I'm just

680
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 10: saying that it kind of sounds that way that I'm

681
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 10: fighting these up and comers. This is the third one

682
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 10: in a row that I'm fighting a guy looking to

683
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 10: breaking to the top, you know what I mean. So

684
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 10: I'm not saying I am a gatekeeper, But like I said, I.

685
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: Mean, I have a lot of respect for Jared's career,

686
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: but that is what he is up against.

687
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: It is it is. I mean, is there still time

688
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: for a for a late run put together a win streak.

689
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: It's certainly possible, but this is the type of fight

690
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: he has to win. So I don't mind him taking

691
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: on that sense of urgency because it's absolutely true. But

692
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens in here. And you know, shout

693
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: out to Dennis by the way, Submission Radio, one of

694
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: the nicer people in the world of M M A

695
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: at the moment, So shout out to that guy. But Luke,

696
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: do you think he'll feel that urgency in there and

697
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: activate it? And is this a matchup in your eyes

698
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: that you believe he can stalk RoboCop in, Like, where

699
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: are the advantages even in this version of Cannoneer.

700
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: In your eyes, Cannon Ear has big power, he's got

701
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: pretty accurate boxing, and RoboCop can be hit, so that

702
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: is nothing to take lightly and I would imagine that

703
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: that is I think robocops stand up has improved a lot.

704
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: But the last fight that he lost was the last

705
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: fight he didn't get a takedown in. So it's pointing

706
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: out is not that he had like it's takedown our

707
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: bust where he has to win on the floor. But

708
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: the mixing, right, the mixing is all kind of part

709
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: of it. If he can't get the takedown, he has

710
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: to box with Cannon Ear. I think he can still win.

711
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: I still would probably favor him to win, but it's

712
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: a bit of a different ballgame at that point, right,

713
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: you now have to contend with a much more focused

714
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 3: offense that is still the remaining good parts of Cannoneer's offense.

715
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: But BC, like, the reality is this, like you know,

716
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: these guys don't want to accept these labels, and the

717
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: reality is you have to. Yeah, I mean think of

718
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: it this way. You're forty years old as a UFC middleweight.

719
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: You know you're clearly your best days are almost certainly

720
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: behind you. You're they're framing it as it's my last

721
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: chance or something like my last chance to get back

722
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: to the top, whereas the UFC sees it completely the opposite.

723
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: You can't fight the gatekeeper role. You can only own it, right,

724
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is consider somebody like

725
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: Jim Miller. Jim Miller is a gatekeeper. Now he's a

726
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: gatekeeper at a much lower level. These are our work.

727
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: Who's going to get closer to the top five than

728
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: obviously what Jim Miller is doing. Jim Miller fights a

729
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: lot of unranked guys, but it's the similar kind of concept.

730
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: Jim Miller knows his best days are behind him, so

731
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: he just wants to keep competing no matter who he

732
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: can get. He has accepted the UFC is going to

733
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: use him as a measuring stick for a certain kind

734
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: of guy that they're trying to see if they've got

735
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: any potential, or if they've got any weakness is or

736
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: you know, does this kid have the goods? Let's fight

737
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: him against It was having to fight Jim Miller and

738
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: then see what we get. Jim Miller has fully embraced

739
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: this and as frankly thrived as a result PC is

740
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: he winning all of his fights. He's not winning all

741
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: of his fights, but he has thrived in that role

742
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: because he.

743
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: Has accepted it.

744
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: It's the denial of the gatekeeper role is where all

745
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: of the problems, I think begin to emerge when you're

746
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: in denial about the stage of the career you're in.

747
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: To me, yes, I mean maybe you have to be

748
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: in denial to get the best out of yourself. But

749
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: what ends up happening is you're taking fights that are

750
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: probably too tough for you at the stage you're in,

751
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 3: and it ends up just exacerbating it because you're in denial.

752
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that makes sense?

753
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: That does? That does? And I mean when when you

754
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: look back, Luke, am I reframing history? Or could could

755
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: have cannoneir beaten out of Sonya with more urgency?

756
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: I think you could have. I mean that could you imagine?

757
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: It's you can't really look at that fight and be

758
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: like cannon ear was, you know, fully out of it.

759
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: The problem was is he got like if they're running

760
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: a race, is he got that far ahead? And then

761
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: just maintain that, you know what I mean? Like he

762
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: didn't just lap him, He didn't you know, really stomp

763
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: his guts out. He just like, I'm gonna get a

764
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: little bit ahead. We're just gonna ride that out the

765
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: whole way. It was never like he was out of it.

766
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: But at the same time, cannon Ear couldn't get over

767
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: the hill. And I remember after that fight, I was like,

768
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't know where Cannonear could possibly go from here

769
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: and to that point, I have to pull up the ear.

770
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: Let excuse me, I have to pull this up to

771
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: that point since that night BC. So that was UFC

772
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: two seventy six, right where he is. He came out

773
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: as the undertaker. He loses that one. He beat Sean

774
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: Strickland's pulit decision. That's a very controversial one. That was

775
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty two. He did beat Marvin ventory Okay,

776
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: so he rebounded, but then he loses to you Movov.

777
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: Young Gun loses to Kyle Bohalio Young Gun and now

778
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 3: he's taken on Hadriguez. So I wouldn't call like super young,

779
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: but thirty two probably in his prime. This is his

780
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: chance to really make something happen. This is what I

781
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: mean about being in denial about where you are. It

782
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: ends up kind of misaligning your priorities and then coming

783
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: to the some of the more worst parts of it

784
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: because you're trying to do too much with too little,

785
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 3: too late.

786
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: Indeed, Indeed, but if the equation of this fight is

787
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: going to ask us whether canoneer is still close enough

788
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: to an elite talent that he can get this done?

789
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: Because this is a very much a crossroads battle. Is

790
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Hobocop in your eyes, good enough to get this type

791
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: of win and then advance with it and truly make

792
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: noise in contention in this division loop.

793
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how far hobo or RoboCop can

794
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: go be. See. I mean, I'll tell you some of

795
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: his stats I think are good for this fight. So,

796
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, he lands more significant strikes almost a

797
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: full integer more than Jared Kennaneer. He's got higher striking accuracy.

798
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: He does take slightly more damage, and his defense is

799
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: not quite as good, but they're pretty comparable. But you know,

800
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 3: takedowns per fifteen minutes two point seven four is pretty close.

801
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: It's pretty great. Also, his takedown defense. Can you believe

802
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: this is a robocops takedown defense? One hundred percent takedown defense?

803
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's actually that's actually really good. Now.

804
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: I don't imagine that Jared Kennoneer is gonna try and

805
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 3: take him down, But this is my point. He's got

806
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: more weapons, I think. And if you go back to

807
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: the Kyle Bohalio fight, what was one of the big ones.

808
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: The big one was the leg kick, chopping at him,

809
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: chopping at him, chopping at him, reducing Cannoneer's ability to move.

810
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: And then came some of the punishment in round three

811
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: of those left straits that he was able to throw

812
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: down the middle. It's like, can RoboCop do that exactly? Well,

813
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if he can do that exactly, but

814
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 3: he can probably do big parts of it, plus maybe

815
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: some of the takedown threat. He just has a lot

816
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: of different tools, plus youth on his side. Like I said, man,

817
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: it's if you're not going to accept the gatekeeper role

818
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: and you might get swallowed, try to be in denial

819
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: about it. I have a feeling that's what's gonna happen

820
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: on Saturday.

821
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 4: Let's quickly if we can bong island.

822
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: Luke, where are you on the idea of Jared Cannoneer

823
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: over looked underdog.

824
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 6: I'm not big on him.

825
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 5: Honestly, he's kind of disappointed me in the last couple

826
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: of fights. The Bohalio fight, I think he should have lost.

827
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: The Imava fight. I go back to that's a bad

828
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 5: loss for him, and Imovav's look good since then, but

829
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 5: I just feel like that performance was bad. Also, he's forty,

830
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 5: gonna be forty one next month. It's just like, I

831
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 5: don't know, dude, I think he's a little later.

832
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: It's late.

833
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: Also, Hopocop looks like he's at least my age right

834
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: in the face.

835
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: I one hundred percent agree. He's the oldest looking thirty

836
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 5: two year old I've ever seen.

837
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: No offense.

838
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I.

839
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: Mean his face looks like a catcher's myt Okay.

840
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah that was you know, that was harsh and aggressive,

841
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: but we'll take it. I have questions still, Luke, whether

842
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: he you know, does he fit in nicely in that

843
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: in that Vittori middle ground? I could see him toiling there,

844
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: But can he get above that? Does he have the

845
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: adaptable skill set beyond being a crusher when the advantage

846
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: is his We're gonna have to find that out. This

847
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: is a very good me. Look, I really like this

848
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: main event. My wrong. How many of these APEX main

849
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: events do we hate the shit out of Luke and

850
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: we'd be like five years ago, that wouldn't even be

851
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: on the main card. It's good ass main event here

852
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: in the Apex. Let's go.

853
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 6: I like it.

854
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: I like it a lot. I have no real problems

855
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 3: with it. Is it you know? Is it the most

856
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: dynamic fight? No, but it's a good one. It's a

857
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: good test for RoboCop. It's an interesting escalation for him

858
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: and BC. I mean again, I'll say one more time,

859
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: this is you know, it seems do or die for

860
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 3: Kennon Ear. It seems do or die for him. And

861
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: whenever you have stakes like that, sometimes the inevitability of

862
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: it all kind of shows up. Sometimes they rise to

863
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: the occasion and show you that they got, you know,

864
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: a few tricks left up their sleeve. With that in mind, BC,

865
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: let's talk about the co main event, which I think

866
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: is awesome. I love, love, love this co main event,

867
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: Calvin Cater taking on yusuf Z the law. BC use

868
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: of the law is such an interesting test case for

869
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: guys really not being ready for the UFC when they

870
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: first get there and then having to kind of take

871
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: something of us circuit this route in their overall career,

872
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: but finding out, like you know, retooling, getting to the

873
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: right spot and turning into something pretty special. Twenty eight

874
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: years old, he is coming in on let's see a

875
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: one two three, Well, actually some of this is kickboxing

876
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: and boxing, so a one two, three, four five six

877
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: fight win streak just an MMA, but there's some other

878
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: ones thrown in there along the way. BC The guy

879
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: shows up to the ufcut out of LFA all the

880
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: way back in twenty twenty, wins three straight, but then

881
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: loses three straight and then has a draw, loses to

882
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: Illiot to Poria okay, no harm, no foul, but loses

883
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: to sang Wu Choi Sean Woodson and then has a

884
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: draw with Demon blackshear. He goes back to the prelimb

885
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: excuse me. He goes back to the regional scene, has

886
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: a few fights down there, four fights down there, five

887
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: fight excuse me, comes back and has been on an

888
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: absolute tear beating Billy Quarantillo via rear naked choke beating

889
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Jarno Aerins via rear naked show beating Jack Shore via

890
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: arm tri and or the tirement. That's right and now

891
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: takes on Calvin Cator. So my question to you BC

892
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: is Calvin Cator also appears to be in a bit

893
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 3: of a do or die fight as he is thirty

894
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: six years old. Is there any reason to think that

895
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: the Boston native can actually make this competitive win. The

896
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: last I checked, odds makers have the law as a

897
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 3: near minus five hundred favorite.

898
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: Okay, there is from the standpoint of we know what

899
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: Calvin Cator is all about. He is wired and driven

900
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: and battle tested and tough, and he has to understand

901
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: that this is a way deeper crossroads situation in the

902
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: comane than obviously even for Cannoneer in the main, coming

903
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: off of two defeats, Because for for Cater it's been

904
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: losses in four of his last five granted of course

905
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: against elite competition. But this guy has to believe he's

906
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: fighting for his job in this one and he can

907
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: be an action fighter and can go after it. So

908
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 2: I'm expecting fireworks in here. You want to talk about

909
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: ultimate crossroads fight. You got a battle tested, highly ranked

910
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: veteran lose four or five coming in against the guys

911
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: you mentioned six straight wins after that tough start in

912
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: the UFC. All by stoppage the last four, in particular

913
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: by submission and do you know, Luke that Liverpool's finest

914
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: Mike Owens media has also evolved into becoming a camp

915
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: member of Calvin Cater. He did DM me and said

916
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: we better be picking Cater here on MK. Maybe maybe

917
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: he knows something, Luke. Maybe this is Cater's chance to

918
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: come out and remind us here and like I said,

919
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: maybe save his employment. Do I like his chances? Not

920
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: on paper, but I know that character in there. You're

921
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: gonna be looking closely at this one, Luke, to see

922
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: if he can break through and stop us from writing

923
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: his MMA obituary Zlaw.

924
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: According to our friends at DraftKings BCA, as I mentioned

925
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: a minus five hundred favorite uh use of Zilaw as

926
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: I mentioned as calvincator excuse me?

927
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 4: Plus three eighty.

928
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: Zilaw was asked at media Day about Cater being the underdog. Yeah,

929
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: I thought an interesting thing to say. Here's what he said.

930
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 9: Said, I was like minus five hundreds or something like that.

931
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I was.

932
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: The favorite.

933
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, whish you guys think dolls about?

934
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: I know that. I mean, that's that's crazy.

935
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 9: I feel like obviously it's the part of the sport man.

936
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 9: It's it's ess you know what I mean.

937
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: I have nothing but respect for Calvin.

938
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: That's like my bro.

939
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: When I got this fight, I was like David now

940
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 2: in New York when you find New York and he had.

941
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 9: An opponey change, Like we got there on Tuesday, so

942
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 9: I'm as soon as we landed, they're like, hey.

943
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: We're trying to opponent.

944
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: Oh well, cut off. Okay, it doesn't matter the point.

945
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: Kind of lower quality video of that next time maybe.

946
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we the UFC puts them out, but

947
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 3: then they'll just tear down our videos if we use them,

948
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: so like.

949
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: What, well, not for press conference, not for this, not

950
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: for the pre and post stuff.

951
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: Just oh oh really, okay.

952
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: Broadcast I've found through through the many times i've f'd

953
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: us on have you seen this shit? I believe it's

954
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: just no interviews on the telecast and no fighting.

955
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well, good to know for next time.

956
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: But the point being is you can see this guy

957
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 3: BC being the favorite is still what would you say,

958
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: seems kind of new. He still has this kind of

959
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: plucky upstart vibe, but the odds makers see him as

960
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: a gigantic favorite in this particular case, Long Island. Luke,

961
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: are we sleeping on Cater?

962
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 6: Yes, you are sleeping Okay, tell me why?

963
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: Okay?

964
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 6: His last hold on I got it all written here.

965
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 5: His last three losses all came to top ten featherweights,

966
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 5: so loll you mentioned has only fought Ilia. Granted, that's

967
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 5: like the best featherweight, but it was five years ago.

968
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: He hasn't really been tested against the current top fifteen.

969
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 5: Calvin Cator's last two wins also came against top fifteen guys,

970
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 5: and he's probably fighting for his contract.

971
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 6: Odds just way too far apart. Gotta take a deb

972
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 6: on Calvin Cater.

973
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 3: I don't think that, Lukes.

974
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 2: I don't got to take a dab.

975
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I did mix.

976
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 3: That in there like that. I don't think that's crazy,

977
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: But I mean, let's go through it here for just

978
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: a second. He fights Max Holloway in January twenty twenty one,

979
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: one of the most brutal beatdowns you'll ever see. Fights

980
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: Gika Chikazi and rebounds. That's that's impressive. But then has

981
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: the Josh Emmett fight, which was also brutal as hell.

982
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: That was back in twenty twenty two, and then he

983
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 3: fought Arnold Allen but got injured. So whatever you can't

984
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what you say about that.

985
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 4: Took all of.

986
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three off BC and then fought al jaminer

987
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: Sterling and basically gave up eight out of thirteen takedown attempts.

988
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: Gave away eight takedown attempts.

989
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: Zilaal obviously getting a bunch of these takedowns our ability

990
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: to find the back in this resurgence. B See, it

991
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: is clear that za Law has never I mean, he's

992
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: fought to Long Island Luke's point, he has fought a

993
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: guys who are really good. It's a poorah blah blah blah,

994
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: but he's never beaten anybody this good. Right, Calvin Cater

995
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: presents a much different kind of challenge in terms of

996
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: like what it would mean to stack a w like

997
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: this on his resume. If Sterling can get eight takedowns,

998
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: how many can Za Loall get?

999
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: It's an interesting question. I mean, this is this is

1000
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: also the most dangerous opponents of Law's ever possibly fought. So,

1001
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it really comes down is Cater willing to

1002
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: fight desperate? Is he's willing to fight dangerous I don't

1003
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: think he has to fight reckless, but he's got to

1004
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: be willing to capitalize on the opportunities because what he's

1005
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: got to be looking for is a big mistake, a

1006
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: big opening that he can capitalize on. But what if

1007
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: that doesn't come? What can he do? Can he keep

1008
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: his back off the ground. Let's go with he yields

1009
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: four takedowns, Luke. But if he can keep this standing

1010
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: for long, can the veteran skills, can the toughness play through?

1011
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: Or do we have to come to terms that Cater's

1012
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: taking a lot of damage in some of these big fights,

1013
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: the Holloway one in All Time one. I don't know.

1014
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: I mean, like, have you seen him lifeless in this

1015
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: losing streak or just outgunned by true elites That might

1016
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: decide the answer to the question of can he get

1017
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: ahead in this?

1018
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the problem, right, So I you

1019
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: can count me in as absolutely the ending of his

1020
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: career whenever that happens, has been hastened by the amount

1021
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: of damage he has been taking. Yes, now, whether that

1022
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: is Saturday or not, I don't know, but whatever it

1023
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: was gonna be, it got shortened significantly after the max

1024
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: Holloway fight, and then I think, on top of that

1025
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: the Josh Emmett fight, and so, as I mentioned, he

1026
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: fights Arnold Allen, but he gets injured eight seconds into

1027
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: the second round, So what can you really determine from that?

1028
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: And then he takes a huge break and comes back

1029
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: and basically gets out wrestled by Al Jabin Sterling, but

1030
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: Sterling couldn't finish him off. I'm I don't know. I

1031
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: feel like, on the one hand, this is where I'm

1032
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 3: torn BC. On the one hand, I feel like Ziloal

1033
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: in a three round contest should be able to do

1034
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: enough to at a bare minimum eke out a win.

1035
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: On the other hand, if someone as good as Sterling, yes,

1036
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: could get takedowns and keep top position, but couldn't put

1037
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: him away. And we know how good Sterling is as

1038
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: a grappler, not just that in terms of his wrestling,

1039
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: but his ability to find the back, dominate position, you

1040
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: name it. If he also couldn't put away Calvin Cator,

1041
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: then maybe Long Island Luke is right that Calvin Cator

1042
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: is actually not quite done yet. Some of these results

1043
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: are real but don't mean what they traditionally seem to mean,

1044
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: and he's actually gonna show the law here. What time

1045
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: it is? I can't really decide between the two, but

1046
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: that's sort of the beauty of the matchmaking, right. This

1047
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: is another coming or going fight. Is that the surging

1048
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: young guy who is untested in large part anyway against

1049
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: someone of this level versus this person who's been at

1050
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: this level. Can they retain as age injury damage and

1051
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: you name it, begins to accumulate and then take them

1052
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 3: from their more lofty perch.

1053
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: I agree, that's a great way to frame it here.

1054
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the real question you have to ask yourself

1055
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: is Cater's next fight going to take place in the

1056
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: smart Cage and GFL against Sage north Cut on the

1057
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: same card as Showgun versus Joel Romero Good Lord? Or

1058
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: can he his job continue to be a tough out

1059
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: in this division? Luke, I think you're gonna get a

1060
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: good performance from him. I think he's gonna flash elements

1061
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: of danger, But him losing a decision seems fairly concrete

1062
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: for me here.

1063
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: Can we also say that Cater is a bit of

1064
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: a slow starter, like even in the Zabeat fight, Remember

1065
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: he was kind of putting it on z the beat

1066
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: late but then it wasn't enough time and he ended

1067
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: up I think losing as a consequence, if I recall correctly,

1068
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: So that happened, yes, yeah, And there's been other bouts

1069
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: where like he kind of got heated up a little

1070
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 3: bit later, and I'm like, dude, if it's a three

1071
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: round contest and the law is all over you early, yeah,

1072
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know that. This is huge,

1073
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: huge stakes.

1074
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: People still think that round three is a major indictment

1075
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: against Zabat being as great as you know, you and I,

1076
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: all of us truly in our heart believe him to

1077
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: be Luke, And I don't, you know, I don't see that.

1078
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 2: I just don't see that that's an interest.

1079
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 3: Me, all right, uh BC. Elsewhere on this card, Edmund

1080
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: Schabasian taking on Dylan Budka Budka. That's Edmund Shabazi And

1081
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: I don't really know what we're gonna get with him,

1082
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: but it usually isn't boring.

1083
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: Typically he split wins and losses his last four, but

1084
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: he got knocked out in both defeats, and that stretch

1085
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: of splitting four, you know, four fights came after three

1086
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: consecutive losses. So Luke twenty seven years old. But through

1087
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: the defeats, we haven't seen him find that level of

1088
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: consistency nor that level of stability. Really, like when things

1089
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: go bad, they go from bad to really bad quickly.

1090
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: For him, He's still that emir con best first round

1091
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: offensive fighter that that you can find. But I I

1092
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: feel like he's kind of permanently broken Luke and this

1093
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: might be a get well type fight we'll see, or

1094
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: maybe this is a tough challenge for him. But I'm

1095
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: I vote no confidence for for Chancellor Valorim in this case.

1096
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 6: If you know what I'm saying, I don't.

1097
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a call back to the prequels, you know,

1098
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: George Lucas, Oh yes, oh, right, trick to the you

1099
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: know the senators. I mean look, I mean one of

1100
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: them was jar Jar Like, you know, you can't find

1101
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: a better representative from Gungan underworld.

1102
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I'm saying, You know.

1103
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: It.

1104
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: I am sad that there wasn't more mass murder of

1105
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: the Gungans in Star Wars. That really is one of

1106
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: the plot points they did save.

1107
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 2: They did save the good guys though in episode one.

1108
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: Okay spoiler alert.

1109
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: You know, listen, the Jedis were losers and failures, and

1110
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: they also deserve.

1111
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: They went through hard times after Order sixty six, and

1112
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: maybe Yoda was a little bit of a bitch and

1113
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 2: he didn't he didn't realize.

1114
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: They didn't see any of their problems coming despite all

1115
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: of their magical powers. They got wiped out and they're

1116
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: fucking losers. The Jedis are fucking losers. That's just what

1117
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: they are. Wow. See is myel bon fame taken on

1118
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: this Siem Sadakov A fun little scrap judelfo Vieira as

1119
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: you indicated, taken on Andre Petrowski. I love that fight.

1120
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to keep interrupting you. It's a trend. Can

1121
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: I just get your take on the Bond theme buzz

1122
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: because both brothers came in with huge finishes, theatrical victories,

1123
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: and then met opposition and sort of had setbacks. But

1124
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: are we still in the bon bonanza business here that

1125
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: these guys can shake up their respective divisions and be

1126
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 2: elite dangers.

1127
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1128
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: So you have Ismael who lost to Ben was Saint Deny,

1129
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: which is no crime. But you know, if you're supposed

1130
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: to be the next big thing, that's not really one

1131
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: of the things you're supposed to do. And then Gabriel

1132
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: obviously losing to who was it, Nicholas Dalby, which was

1133
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: a fun contest.

1134
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, brutalized at the end.

1135
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 4: Though he got brutalized at the end.

1136
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 3: So it's like they came in with a fair amount

1137
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: of hype and then like they're obviously good, but they're

1138
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's not Patricio Pitpole who was ice cold

1139
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: on his way up. It's not it's not the way

1140
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: that this goes. But as I indicated, Angela hill be

1141
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: Cee at one fifteen obviously taken on kitlnd Suza.

1142
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: That seems like a decent contest.

1143
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: Angela hill Man just kind of one of these survivors,

1144
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: still out there doing it, fucking it out and getting

1145
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: wins sometimes at losses other times, but you know, still

1146
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: out there being competitive.

1147
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: Would it be a compliment to call her female?

1148
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: Jim Miller, I don't think that's crazy. I think that's crazy.

1149
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: Gabriel bon Fime taken on Chaos Williams. That's going to

1150
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: be a hell of a contest as long as the last.

1151
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: Kay has won. I believe five of his last six

1152
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: and that only loss was a split decision. He's uh no,

1153
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: we don't talk about him anymore.

1154
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: We don't, but we probably should. Vaalter Walker taking on

1155
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: dntel May's at two sixty five Holy shit heavyweight is terrible.

1156
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there's a couple of.

1157
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: The decent ones up and down, so you know, some

1158
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: things to enjoy. I think up and down this card

1159
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 3: if you're a hardcore fan.

1160
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: We talked to a hardcore fan, like, does Long Island

1161
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: Luke have a have a undercard banger bonus bet that

1162
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 2: the people should main card, minute themselves and get fired up.

1163
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 5: Undercard not so much BC. I wish I had something

1164
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 5: for you here. Chaos by knockout, I like overbomb fime.

1165
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 5: I'll take that. That's probably plus money.

1166
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 3: I don't think that's crazy at all.

1167
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 5: Jared Gordon is fighting Nursultan Ruzaboyev's little brother. I don't

1168
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 5: know anything about Ruzaboyev's little brother, but Jared Gordon's like

1169
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 5: a minus four hundred. I feel like that is a

1170
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 5: little too high of a price on Jared. I might

1171
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 5: throw a dabble on the younger Rusaboya of there.

1172
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: But if his name ends in a z or a

1173
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: V and he's an underdog, one of the odds makers

1174
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 3: fucked up by a hammer. Yes, I know that, uh BC?

1175
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: Are you a basketball fan by chance?

1176
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: You know I'm a big I'm a baller, Luke and

1177
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Speaker 2: you I'm born and raised a baller.

1178
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: All right. Well, if you're a basketball fan like me

1179
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Speaker 3: All right, Topic number three if we can. BC Front

1209
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 3: Office Sports reported this week that ESPN is going to

1210
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: be moving on without top rank, including to allow them

1211
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 3: if they wanted to to exit their agreement if they

1212
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: found a new partner. So there's a million questions for

1213
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: this BC. Why does ESPN want to move on from

1214
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: Top Rank. That's the first question I would ask what

1215
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: does it mean for those two entities ESPN and Top Rank, and.

1216
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 4: Then what does it mean for US Boxing?

1217
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that is connected and.

1218
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: Quick look the uh put the screenshot up. This is

1219
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: what you have here at BC. They've been together for

1220
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: eight years. This is DEALA signed in twenty seventeen. And

1221
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: then also part of the report, as you can see

1222
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: there in the subheading Netflix and Warner Brothers Discovery. Apparently

1223
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: we're not interested in Top Ranks business during at least

1224
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: preliminary talks. I'm sorry, we see go ahead.

1225
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're certainly not interested in the full package. Look,

1226
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: it will be interesting where they fall. And it's just

1227
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: a continuation. I wrote a column for it on CBS

1228
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: Sports this week of all of these changes that we

1229
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: knew were coming this year, they're happening so rapidly fast

1230
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: that you got to stay with it to try to

1231
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: figure out who's going to be aligned with you who

1232
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: and where's it going? Who's Top Rank. They're the oldest

1233
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: running promotion with that classic reputation of building great prospects

1234
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: and turning them into pay per view stars. So them

1235
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: being pulled off of ESPN after eight years is certainly

1236
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: big news. How it dictates the future is like this.

1237
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: We had heard rumors that Top Rank could be interested

1238
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: in Bob Barram tweeted himself and talking with the Zone.

1239
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: The Zone already has three of the five power promoters,

1240
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: with the only one being somewhat on the outside PBC

1241
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: with their deal with Amazon Prime. If Top Rank goes

1242
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: to his owne, then we're truly talking about more of

1243
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: a collective monopoly here, not just the future one that

1244
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: seems to be in the works from TKO and the

1245
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: overarching Turkey fueled Saudi Arabian takeover, which is consolidating a

1246
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: lot which was boxing's problem. Everything was piecemeal. But should

1247
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: Top Rank go in that direction on an app like Dizone,

1248
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: which does great globally, but we've talked about it before,

1249
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: is a Nietzsche app aimed at hardcore boxing fans in

1250
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: the States. So getting off of ESPN, if there's no

1251
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: boxing on ESPN, in theory, would be a bad thing

1252
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: for American boxing, maybe on the same level of Canel

1253
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: Lalvarez signing a four fight deal with three of those

1254
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: being in Saudi Arabia when he's the biggest box office

1255
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: star that we have at the moment, but he will

1256
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: be in Vegas in this fall for that huge Terrence

1257
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: Crawford showdown. Where this goes is interesting. You also have

1258
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: Lance Pugmyer of Boxing Scene reporting that Top Rank is

1259
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: actually to diversify their package moving forward, and they're currently

1260
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: in talks with ESPN about at least part of the deal,

1261
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: along with Warner which has access to TNTTBS and the

1262
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: Max app. So I think Top Rank will be fine

1263
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: in the end, but where they go could continue to

1264
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: dictate the future. As we seem to be getting closer

1265
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: to whatever this new takeover is them putting up maybe fences.

1266
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: Like I always say, eventually it's gonna be either with

1267
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: them or you're against them. A lot of this is

1268
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: speeding up really quickly in that regard. But if Top Rank,

1269
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: if boxing in general, can stay on ESPN in some form,

1270
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: that's going to be a huge bloot plus for the

1271
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: American boxing scene. If it's only offered overseas and on

1272
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: apps that are niche, it's going to be really hard

1273
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: for casuals to stumble into fights or stumble into talking

1274
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: about fights where the coverage starts to go away. Let's

1275
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: not act like we don't still need super fights each

1276
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: year in this sport, bringing in those casuals to keep

1277
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: everything financially afloat or at least the old model we

1278
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: did right. A new model is Turkey will pay for

1279
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: it all. But this is all happening very very quickly,

1280
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, and there are some rumors out there

1281
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: that ESPN is not getting rid of Top Rank, but

1282
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: just maybe restructuring part of the deal, and then that

1283
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: could be a future home for whatever Dana White and

1284
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: TKO Boxing is doing. Just like Luke, you do hear

1285
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: some distant whispers that maybe even TKO could be involved

1286
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: in Canelo Crawford. So there's a lot going on that

1287
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: is going to dictate all this. But what we do

1288
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: know about Top Rank the deal ends at the end

1289
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 2: of July. You mentioned they could get out as early

1290
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: as April if they are ready to activate with their

1291
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: new suitors. We'll see where they go. I don't know

1292
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: what all of this means either for PBC, which has

1293
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: some fighters crossing over there, but not tank, not the

1294
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: biggest ones outside of Canelo yet, So we'll see. Luke,

1295
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: there's a lot that's going on right now. But I

1296
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing selfishly for us, both business wise

1297
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: and fan wise, is we don't want to see the

1298
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: sport go completely over there. And it's not a fair

1299
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: statement to make because Turkey he's bringing a ring magazine

1300
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: series to the States, and they just announced yesterday that

1301
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: that Garcia Hainey doubleheader in May will be in Time

1302
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: Square for free for as many people show up. So like,

1303
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: there are good things happening in the States, But if

1304
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: the States aren't the center of the boxing world anymore,

1305
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: what is that going to do to like our job

1306
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: security and the you know, the the whole idea of

1307
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: does boxing matter in this country? I really hope that

1308
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: that is preserved through whatever changes promotionally network wise we

1309
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: continue to see happened.

1310
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: I saw a criticism that one of the things that

1311
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: Top Rank did was it didn't necessarily not try That

1312
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a fair way to describe it. But what

1313
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 3: some suggested would be fair was that they weren't really

1314
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: ever trying to hit home runs. They were just content

1315
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: with you know, singles and doubles in terms of matchmaking

1316
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 3: and what kind of fights that they made.

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Speaker 4: Is that a fair criticism.

1318
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: To some degree? Yes, because let's not forget they started

1319
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: off with a smaller deal. Then Top Rank had many

1320
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: Pakiao and Jeff Horn and that All Action title fight

1321
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: in Australia that did insane viewership live on ESPN, and

1322
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: that was the turning point of them getting an even

1323
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: better deal. Right that has gone now eight full years

1324
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: to some degree, did they develop huge pay per view

1325
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: stars that sustained The answer might be no on that.

1326
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 2: I mean, you do have to look at the fact

1327
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: that Terrence Crawford came and went before his really big

1328
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: crossover moment. They've lost Shirker Stevenson. They certainly have a

1329
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: set of prospects, and a lot of them are fighting

1330
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: tonight on their great Valentine's Day card in New York City,

1331
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: like Keishan Davis, like Abdullah Mason, like they're ready to reload.

1332
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: But do they have the top end. Tao Fimo has

1333
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: been a little flaky and inconsistent, Loma is not sure

1334
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: if he's going to fight again. So it's not like

1335
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: the cupboards bear. But is that criticism acceptable? Did they

1336
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: lean into the deal and get comfortable? You could certainly

1337
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: ask that there were certainly big fights. Don't forget during

1338
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: the pandemic. We got Tayo Femo versus Loma on regular ESPN.

1339
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: Those are the big moments, the highlights. But you also

1340
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: got now some of the biggest top rank fighters better

1341
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: be have fury. They're not always fighting on ESPN because

1342
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: of the Saudi Arabia influence and how things are going.

1343
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: So a lot of factors that play into that is

1344
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: is top rank going to be pay per view only

1345
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: going forward in ESPN? Are they going to be completely gone?

1346
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: We don't know, But Luke, it's to act like this

1347
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: stuff doesn't matter. This stuff will dictate the future in

1348
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: so many ways.

1349
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. Also, one thing I have

1350
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 3: to kind of ask is a bit of a broader question,

1351
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: b See, which is, how did we get from a

1352
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 3: place in twenty twenty three where boxing had one of

1353
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,959
Speaker 3: its best years in years and now we're a place

1354
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: where it's like, we don't even we're not even sure

1355
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: if there's going to be boxing on American linear television.

1356
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: What happened the.

1357
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: American linear television part is a concern, But what happened

1358
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: was the streaming thing took off, just as the old

1359
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: way of boxing in America with pay premium cable channels

1360
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: with huge budgets funding the sport, taking the sport off

1361
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: of network television. In that worked for a while. It

1362
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: was dependent upon pay per view, but it worked well. Look,

1363
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: HBO and Showtime are no longer in this and cable

1364
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: tv isn't what it once was and streaming is blowing up.

1365
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it just so happened that the Zone played

1366
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: their cards into this relationship with Turkey, into being the

1367
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: power network in a lot of ways at the moment,

1368
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: considering the amount of major promoters that they have in

1369
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: Turkey funding them and fueling them. I mean, Saudi Arabia

1370
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: just put a billion dollars into the Zone. So it

1371
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 2: happened because of that. Sure, but let's not forget twenty

1372
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: twenty three was a great year, no doubt, maybe one

1373
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: of the best years in decades, but it was fueled

1374
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: by a need in a lot of ways for it

1375
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: to be Like twenty twenty three was the year of

1376
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: PBC in Showtime, but they had huge motivation to try

1377
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: to keep what they had. You know, ultimately there were

1378
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: decisions made from Paramount, the parent company, that you know,

1379
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: almost didn't affect them, but still led to their removal.

1380
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: So to go from that to this, Well, look at

1381
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: the changes that we've seen since twenty twenty three. It's crazy,

1382
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: and Turkey Elish has been a big part of it.

1383
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is gonna kill the US

1384
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: boxing scene if there is no direct boxing outlet outside

1385
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: of pay apps. I don't know. Luke Turkey wanting to

1386
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: bring fights, big fights still to America I think is

1387
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: very smart and I think backs this up. But to

1388
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: our larger point, if those fights are on his own,

1389
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: if they're not being talked about on ESPN as much,

1390
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: if they're not being grassroots marketing, will this sport fall

1391
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: deeper into that niche even though they're still making super

1392
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: fight after super fight. It's it's worth talking about. It's

1393
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: worth it for sure. In that regard, there's things that

1394
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: are gonna happen in the next year that are gonna

1395
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: be great for the sport. I mean, how could you

1396
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: say that it wouldn't when we already know we're getting

1397
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: Canelo Crawford and Turkey wants to do Haini Garcia two

1398
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: and the winner fights the winner of Tao and Boots.

1399
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's like fantasy right now. It's

1400
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: crazy but the bigger question is what's the cost of

1401
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: that not just sportswa washing, particularly the TKO takeover. Will

1402
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: you know, will things get get handled in a heavy handed,

1403
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: monopolistic way like in MMA and pro wrestling, And is

1404
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: that great for the fan? Is that great for the

1405
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: sport long term? Well, the fighters get paid, all the

1406
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: persons are getting paid now by Saudi. Is that a

1407
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 2: temporary thing? Like there's a lot of questions we still

1408
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: don't have the answers to. But how we got here,

1409
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: Luke was a confluence of huge events happening at the

1410
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: same time.

1411
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: You know what my thing is BC like talking about

1412
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 3: like this Hani and Garcia car that's going to be

1413
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: in Times Square for free. It's like, of course, who

1414
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: would have an issue with someone a promoter being like

1415
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 3: you can just come for free? And maybe boxing needs

1416
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 3: that kind of publicity, like the value there is the

1417
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 3: long term way in which that works as an advertisement

1418
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: to get people excited about boxing. But one thing that

1419
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't do is it doesn't help us actually find

1420
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 3: a new business model, right Like, if the issue is

1421
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: the business model, someone needs to come up with a

1422
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: different way that can be sustainably done in the absence

1423
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 3: of Saudi investment, in the absence of Saudi or Jess right,

1424
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: And so my question would be, like, who is doing that?

1425
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: Who is building stars in a sustainable way? Absent you know,

1426
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: waiting for the siphon to just stay turned on from

1427
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, like you know what I mean. Like everyone's like, oh,

1428
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 3: this is great for boxing. They're making big cards, and

1429
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 3: even when they come back to the States, they're giving

1430
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: away stuff for free again as an advertising thing to

1431
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 3: get people excited. I do think that is great, but

1432
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: it just kicks the can down the road about solving

1433
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 3: the problems that the current boxing model has, and I

1434
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: don't see anybody really addressing that.

1435
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 4: Am I being too unfair?

1436
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: I guess the answer to that question is somewhat dependent

1437
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: upon what you believe the current model actually is. Because

1438
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: even though we've been talking a lot lately, for example

1439
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: about TKO coming in and the New York Times report,

1440
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: even though Dana kind of refuted a lot of those points,

1441
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: was that it would be a Prospect League starting in

1442
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: the fall, and it might be a Ultimate Fighter type reboot,

1443
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: And it's this whole idea of trying a stab at

1444
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: rebuilding the foundation of boxing and doing things differently in

1445
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: a more controlling UFC type way to be fair. But

1446
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: look should be smart en up that maybe the real

1447
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: long term future is TKO in general turning trying with

1448
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: Saudi's money to turn to create a real league, a

1449
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 2: UFC of boxing, a true you're with us or you're

1450
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: against us. This is the true monopoly. And would that

1451
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: how how long would it take that to take to

1452
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: take form? If that's the plan? And does that suddenly

1453
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 2: bring it infused back into US boxing and turn everything

1454
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: around because of Dana White and UFC's and TKO's entrance

1455
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: into it. And TKO isn't just those, it's Ari Emmanuel,

1456
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: it's Nick con it's Triple H with WW. I mean,

1457
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really really elite smart people in

1458
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: that think take circle that they're doing right now, So

1459
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: I don't know like their If their goal is to

1460
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: literally start a new league and bring everybody into it

1461
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: and put the fences around and rebuild it from the

1462
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: ground up that way, then those plans are going to

1463
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: be the answer to your questions about how we're going

1464
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 2: to take away certain things in boxing now and created

1465
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,839
Speaker 2: a new It's just how quickly can that take hold?

1466
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: Will Will Everyone else who right now is just like, yeah,

1467
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: this is cool. We're getting Turkey money whatever you want.

1468
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: Do they at some point go, I'd like to have

1469
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: control back of my promotion, you know what I mean? Like,

1470
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 2: I don't know what that's going to look like. I

1471
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 2: also don't know if TKO takes over, if it's not

1472
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 2: everything boxing fans would have been crying about and asking

1473
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 2: for for decades, it might be they got a track record.

1474
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: It's happening really fast, though, Luke, And it's really hard

1475
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 2: to try to understand how quickly this can get done

1476
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: because it's so unprecedented, and also we don't really know

1477
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: exactly what their plan is.

1478
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 3: All Well said, all Well said, I guess we shall see.

1479
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 3: Sticking with boxing, BC, let's go to topic number four now.

1480
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 3: So what happened is there's a five tonight between Kishon

1481
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 3: Davis and Dennis Burnchick and earlier this week BC A,

1482
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean boxers are now sending each other racist gift bags.

1483
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the most insane thing imaginable. But a

1484
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 3: box was sent to the hotel room of Kishon Davis

1485
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 3: that had watermelon and bananas in it. Very very clever

1486
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 3: as you can well imagine. Now.

1487
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 4: Of course, the Ukrainian denies it.

1488
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: Keishon Davis initially accused him, although he has since realized

1489
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: I think suggested that's not true, and Tayo Femal Lopez

1490
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 3: appears to be the guy who has done it, although

1491
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 3: that has not necessarily been confirmed. I sent a bunch

1492
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: of assets to you Long Island, Luke. Let's skip the

1493
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: first couple of them, but I do want to play

1494
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: this one. The Teo femal Lopez. He is watching a

1495
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: video of Kishon Davis angrily reacting to being sent this box,

1496
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 3: and I want to show that. I want to show

1497
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 3: the Top Rank statement NBC, then we'll talk about it.

1498
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 4: Let's first take.

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01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 3: A look at the Tao Femal Lopez video.

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: This guy and I feel.

1501
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: Like top rank had this to say. Top Rank is

1502
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: appalled and disgusted by the actions of the individuals that

1503
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 3: delivered the package to Kishon Davis last night. These actions

1504
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 3: are a contrary to the foundation of Top Rank. There

1505
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 3: is no place for this in sports or society. Kishawn

1506
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 3: has our full support. We see a very sort of

1507
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 3: simple question here, which is how bad is the racism

1508
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 3: problem in combat sports.

1509
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: Worst than I ever thought it could be in twenty

1510
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: twenty five. And having this type of conversation is always

1511
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 2: going to be a a very polarizing one. Indeed, because

1512
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: of the so many, so often.

1513
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 3: Some people love racism. That's the problem in combat sports pecie.

1514
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who just like it.

1515
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,879
Speaker 2: They just well, here's my ideal. Everyone now links racism

1516
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: with politics. So it's like, what side you're on? Either

1517
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: either everything's racist or nothing can be racist. It's like

1518
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: it's so it's you want to see how gross it

1519
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: is right now, Like I said, post something about your

1520
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,919
Speaker 2: unhappiness with racism on social media and see the response.

1521
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 2: But to me, obviously has nothing to do with politics

1522
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: and has everything to do with decency and love and

1523
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, treating your fellow man as a as a

1524
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: person and all of that. So can we get it out?

1525
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: And I don't want, I don't need a million tweets

1526
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: saying BC. It's been built upon it. It has been

1527
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. The marketing of fights for

1528
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: years has been built upon white versus black, Italian versus

1529
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: Irish I mean, obviously, right, like Puerto Rico versus Mexico.

1530
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: It but having national love and having rivalries within that

1531
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: is different than object racism. It's different than the shit

1532
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: we have coming out of UFC on the regular that

1533
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: is not only unpoliced, it's almost like revered because it

1534
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: represents freedom and free speech. And then on the flip side,

1535
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: it's not that we don't have crazy homophobia in boxing.

1536
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 2: The only major difference is and so this takeover in

1537
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: boxing is complete, like boxing's the wild West and there's

1538
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: no central body. UFC is a little different. They could

1539
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: control that, but to see this added on to a

1540
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: two week period with the Bryce Mitchell stuff, some of

1541
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: the Sean Strickland comments and some of those boxers lately

1542
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 2: liberally using the N word and Connor McGregor tweeting the

1543
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 2: N word, like what the eff are we doing here? Yes,

1544
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 2: it's been used before. Yes, a fight like Larry Holmes

1545
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: versus Jerry Cooney was almost exclusively promoted through the eyes

1546
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: of white versus black and a race war to a

1547
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: disgusting level. This isn't that. And I don't know if

1548
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 2: Tayo Femo did that, Kaishawn would then put out a

1549
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: video like you said, saying he doesn't think it's parentic,

1550
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: but Hey, Tayo Femo, I'm not gonna fight you. I'm

1551
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: not gonna let you use this to use this situation

1552
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: to try to get yourself paid all that which is

1553
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: certainly his right. I don't know if it was Tayo

1554
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: Femo or it's just Taeo Fimo trying to put his

1555
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: finger in the wound and insert himself in the situation

1556
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: and continual to continually use basically race baiting to try

1557
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: to lure big time opponents into fights. This is getting

1558
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: pretty gross, guys, This is getting pretty ridiculous. It's different

1559
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 2: than Sandy Ryan getting paint thrown on her on the

1560
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: sidewalk outside of a hotel on her way to the

1561
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 2: fight with MICHAELA. Mayor, which was unnecessary, of course, but

1562
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 2: like saucy and kind of interesting. Obviously, what happened in

1563
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: the last two days has spiceened up this fight, but

1564
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: this fight was already gonna be great to watch from

1565
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,839
Speaker 2: begin with, to see Keishan Davis in just his thirteenth

1566
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 2: pro fight look to back up his words and take

1567
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: a big step up and go for his first world title.

1568
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: And we know if he wins that, like, you're gonna

1569
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: be in talks conversations of potentially fighting other champions in

1570
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: your division like Shakhor and Tank. That's enough of a

1571
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: story on its own. Adding this is just gross. Whether

1572
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 2: Tayo Fimo did it or not, I'm just getting sick

1573
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: to the point of not just the tolerance people have

1574
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: for racism in this combat sports landscape, but the whole

1575
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: idea like it improves it or that's what you get

1576
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: or that's what the world's really like. We can have

1577
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: standards in boxing too. I think we can. This is

1578
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: pretty ridiculous here, and I don't you know, I don't

1579
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: think Davis planted himself to bring attention to the fight.

1580
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: I think it's all just gross and disgusting and I

1581
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: like to move on from it. But it's certainly going

1582
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 2: to add something to the fight. The question is is

1583
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: it gonna make Keishawn even nastier in his attempt to

1584
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: take down Barnschick where he's already actually a big favorite,

1585
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: or is it going to be a hurdle for him

1586
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: to overcome emotion wise? I don't know, Luke, But like,

1587
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 2: what can you really say about somebody putting that box

1588
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 2: and knocking on his door and turning this into a

1589
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: story it's gross, freaking gross.

1590
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 3: Well it's amazing is I would love to ask too

1591
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 3: Femo exactly what he's laughing at, and I know what

1592
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 3: the answer would be, Oh, I'm trolling this guy into

1593
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 3: getting him angry. But it's like, if you're sending someone

1594
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 3: a racist gift, like, what is the joke? Right, Like,

1595
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: what is the underlining it all? What is the joke?

1596
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: The joke is, according to the person sending it, that

1597
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: black people eat watermelon and bananas, that's the joke. Like,

1598
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 3: that's your joke, that's your punchline. It's not a punchline, Like,

1599
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 3: there is no joke. There's not a joke there. You're

1600
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: just sending somebody, uh basically like abusive things to get

1601
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 3: them angry, and you're doing it along racial strife. There's

1602
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 3: actually not a punchline involved. So that's the first thing

1603
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: I want to be very clear about. But the thing

1604
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: that I think really underlines all of this, and it's

1605
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: just amazing that no one ever really connects the dots

1606
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 3: because people just buy into like the bullshit propaganda about

1607
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: it all. If you complain about this, people will say

1608
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 3: things like, you know, hey, you're soft. I've seen it

1609
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 3: all over online, including in boxing Twitter, and I'm like, dude,

1610
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 3: it couldn't be the bigger opposite if you if you

1611
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 3: fucking tried, ladies and gentlemen, the combat sports industry is

1612
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 3: the least capable industry of credibly making an argument that

1613
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 3: they are resistant to speech that is irritating or difficult

1614
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 3: or contrary to their own interests. It's the most sensitive

1615
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 3: industry anywhere. I'm not talking about this, I'm talking about

1616
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: all the other things. If you criticize people in power,

1617
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 3: they are extremely thin skinned. And that goes from promoters

1618
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: to managers, to athletes to really everything in between. They

1619
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: in the entire both MMA and boxing industries to different degrees,

1620
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 3: but they both do it operate on an honor culture

1621
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: of pearl clutching what did you say about me? And

1622
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: then when you say it, well, this is really rancid

1623
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: that we're introducing this stuff, then they have the balls

1624
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 3: to say what the problem is is you're too soft,

1625
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, no, no, The entire industry is

1626
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 3: the most thin skinned one. And my forty five years

1627
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 3: I have ever worked in that's not the truth. Because

1628
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: if you were really cared about being soft around speech

1629
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 3: and being like accepting of the things that you don't

1630
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 3: like that people say, we'd have a very different industry

1631
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 3: that would not function this way. What's really happening is

1632
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: you guys just like racist shit, like just say that,

1633
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 3: just say that. You just think that is awesome, and

1634
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 3: you want to be able to say it. And the

1635
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: reality is it's just all sleight of hand too. We

1636
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: can't say simple truths. We can't actually hold power to

1637
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 3: account in any of these industries without getting severe pushback

1638
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 3: and you know, threat dude, many times I've been threatened,

1639
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 3: both physically and otherwise in this industry, phone calls I've

1640
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 3: had threatening me for things I've done, you know, messages

1641
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 3: and dms. I've been written for things I've at various

1642
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 3: times reported on. Like that's that's the kind of thing

1643
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 3: that actually happens with speech in this industry. Letting you

1644
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 3: say rancid things and then sending racist gift boxes to

1645
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 3: black athletes, that's just people enjoying racism. There's no connection

1646
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: to anything else. It's just that by itself, and unless

1647
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 3: you can reconcile with that, there's nothing really to be

1648
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 3: said beyond it. They're letting you get away with indulging

1649
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: in outrageous things while never really letting you say the

1650
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: things that actually matter, the things that really need to

1651
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 3: do to actually be protected, and the things that would

1652
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 3: actually change the industry if they had a different posture.

1653
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 3: It's the most thin skinned industry I've ever seen. Any

1654
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 3: claim that anyone makes that this is an industry that

1655
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: really is tough and you can't let people get to

1656
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: us and things like that don't matter is bullshit. It's

1657
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 3: complete and total fiction, top to freaking bottom. So until

1658
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 3: there's a recognition about what the actual truth is related

1659
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 3: to what things can say and who's soft and whatnot,

1660
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: you can miss me. You can absolutely miss me with

1661
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 3: this completely for Audilan projection of strength. I'm not soft.

1662
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: I allow rancid things in my orbit. You let them

1663
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 3: in your orbit because you like them. That that's the issue.

1664
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 3: You just like them, so be honest about it and

1665
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 3: then we can all move on. But having to tap

1666
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 3: dance like I'm so tough. I like a world where

1667
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 3: we can send racist gift boxes to black athletes. Yeah,

1668
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 3: because you like that on its own terms, That's why.

1669
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't love necessarily like that. Keishan

1670
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: just ran and accused Barinchik, you know, without having proof necessarily,

1671
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: but it's a it's a bad situation. I mean, Luke,

1672
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: to fight itself, as I said, sells itself. So does

1673
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: the card. You got Xanders Ayas and the Colemane. You

1674
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 2: got Jared Big Baby Anderson coming back at Doula Mason.

1675
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Keon Davis, the brother of Keishaan Grant, Muhammad

1676
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: Ali's grandson, I think is opening the card. So it's

1677
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: a pretty damn good card New York City Theater at

1678
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. And oh, by the way, Keishaan Davis

1679
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: may have a major step up and step through type

1680
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 2: of moment. I mean, Luke, do you have any opinion

1681
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: on him as a young fighter, because he looks like

1682
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: he's ready to take over. And I wasn't saying that

1683
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: just a few fights ago, but I finally caught up too.

1684
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 3: I mean, his last fight in Norfolk was or the

1685
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: Norfolk area was incredible. Let's show the face excuse me,

1686
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 3: here's the face off BC between these guys. Now again,

1687
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 3: this was before Keishawn kind of relented to the idea

1688
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 3: that Burinchick might not be possible, it might not be

1689
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 3: responsible for that. You know, the gift box or whatever.

1690
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 3: But you can see here he touches the belt like

1691
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm all in his face and he's gonna get shoved here,

1692
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: which is kind of fun. Just give it a minute.

1693
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 3: Yeah to the back, smiling in his face, and here

1694
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 3: he gets pushed. Watch there it is could have gotten

1695
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: ugly by the way, there's bomack, dude, bowmack. I mean,

1696
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 3: can we get him some o zep mac.

1697
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: I mean he is okay, okay, we don't talk like that.

1698
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 2: Let's leave that man alone.

1699
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, you get the idea fun fight again. Top rank,

1700
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 3: right you see top rank?

1701
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be all over this fight.

1702
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: I really want to see if Keshawn is of this

1703
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: ILK oddsmakers have him comfortably ahead a six to one

1704
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 2: favorite Luke at least before all this stuff broke out.

1705
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: But again, this is a challenge for the young fighter

1706
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: to keep the emotions together but also find a way

1707
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 2: to fuel the obvious emotions that broke through with this

1708
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: incident and with Tao Femo clowning him and all that.

1709
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: But uh wow, I mean, I hope this is the

1710
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: limits for Tao Femo and Ryan Garcia. Luke I hope

1711
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 2: they don't have more tricks in this bag.

1712
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 4: But uh well, Ryan Garcia is grin.

1713
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: Garcia is mentally ill, so I don't really think you

1714
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 3: can expect much from him, and Lopez just seems confused

1715
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: at best. So I guess yeah, I would.

1716
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: Expect you Like, he's trying to be a disruptor, he's

1717
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: trying to be edgy, He's not afraid to piss off

1718
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: top rank like. It's interesting the way he's playing his cards.

1719
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: I'm not against everything he does here, but this this

1720
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 2: stuff's just come.

1721
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 3: On, it's rancid. It's just completely dropping cancero nonsense. All right,

1722
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 3: With that in mind, let's go to the final topic,

1723
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 3: which is the opposite of that. Now. I don't know

1724
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 3: how likely any of this is, but it might be

1725
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 3: kind of fun if they decide to do it. Alexander

1726
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: Usik recently said that he's got two fights left in

1727
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 3: his career, and he looks like he's going to fight

1728
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: the upcoming winner of the Dubois Who is he fighting

1729
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 3: DUBABC Joseph Parker? That's right, which is I think the

1730
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 3: comain to next weekends big boxing card between the Remaster

1731
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: team better be than bivoll. Okay, so he wants to

1732
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: fight the winner of that one, and then he's got

1733
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: one more in mind. Before I get to the question, BC,

1734
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 3: let's roll the tape about who he wants to fight,

1735
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 3: Alex Berreira. Maybe why not? Now, I just heard you

1736
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 3: say that you think you've only got two fights left in.

1737
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 9: Your career, So I guess that rules out a return

1738
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 9: to cruise away in an ideal world, who are those

1739
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 9: two fights for?

1740
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: Alexander usik U?

1741
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 3: First? Who win the next fight?

1742
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 4: And uh funny too severally?

1743
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:15,520
Speaker 3: But next maybe show fight with uh Alex Brera? Maybe

1744
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 3: why not?

1745
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 4: Alex wanna?

1746
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 3: Okay?

1747
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: Is that red we found?

1748
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: The red day?

1749
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 4: Looks like he's doing all right.

1750
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: He's arrived, he's fighting, he's fighting the good fight.

1751
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 3: He s simple, simple question to you, not will or whatever?

1752
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 3: Should this fight be made?

1753
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 2: Normally I would say no, and I'm disgusted by it.

1754
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous. I mean, it's obviously no different per

1755
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 2: se than like when Francis and Ganu fought Tyson Fury

1756
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 2: and that turned into something right, but still knowing the

1757
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: historical ron Ustik was on, you want to see him

1758
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: see whatever big fights are remaining in regular boxing, right, Obviously,

1759
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: if do Wa beats Parker, that's a great rematch considering

1760
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: the circumstances of the first fight, and it would give

1761
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: Usak another chance to be undisputed. And I like that

1762
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: the announcer did ask about cruiserweight, which there were times

1763
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 2: where there were talks about that could he go fight

1764
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: Jaio Patia there in some type of super fight. But

1765
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 2: I have to say, Luke, the the chance of TKO

1766
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: making quick moves into into like, like I said, beyond

1767
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: just the idea of a of a prospects league. If

1768
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna fast track this and if them and Turkey

1769
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: are truly in lockstep like it appears, I wonder if

1770
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: this wouldn't be the type of crossover thing that would

1771
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: make a ton of sense, because Alex Pereira is really

1772
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 2: aiming towards some rarefied air from the stand you know,

1773
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 2: from the standpoint not just of the star that he's becoming,

1774
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 2: the global star. Beloved doesn't have to speak the language.

1775
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: People just love this guy. Everyone's calling him out, but

1776
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: you know, he could be your first three division champion

1777
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 2: as well. He could be the type of guy that

1778
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: that is gonna be so huge. It could be in

1779
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: John Jones fights. Even though you would think in theory

1780
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 2: where you're gonna serve him up to the best heavyweight,

1781
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 2: what are you gonna get? He might be the perfect

1782
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: type of guy who not only can go in there

1783
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 2: and you know, make it look fun and see how

1784
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: much he can compete, but that this could take him

1785
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 2: to true, true, true global stardom. Like if you're gonna

1786
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 2: do it, is he the right star with the right

1787
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: fighting style and you know, in some degree the right

1788
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: puncher's chance to kind of make something like this that

1789
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 2: would be largely unnecessary for sure, But could they make

1790
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: it a real, crazy, huge event. I think they could.

1791
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you put it in Saudi Arabia,

1792
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: it's certainly not going to fill that and fit that exactly.

1793
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: But I like some of the things that Turkey's doing,

1794
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 2: by the way, I like Times Square as a venue.

1795
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: I like the idea that Canelo versus Bud could be

1796
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: an allegiant stadium. I've been calling for that for years

1797
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: for any combat sports promoter. I'm not against creative ideas

1798
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: like him bringing Tayo Fimo to the Alcatraz Island in

1799
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: San Francisco, like, I like this kind of stuff. So

1800
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 2: if you're telling me that this fight has a chance

1801
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 2: to be a true blockbuster, a true crossover, and they

1802
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 2: can make it feel like that and do something special

1803
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: with it, the Poton might be that dude to make

1804
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: this fun only when it matters. Mayweather McGregor was a

1805
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: perfect storm. You had to do it. Some of these

1806
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,480
Speaker 2: other ones we wish they never happened or they overachieved

1807
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 2: or whatever. But Luke, tell me if you agree with me,

1808
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of in on this, given what it

1809
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: could mean and the TKO presidence of if they want

1810
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 2: to make this a big thing, they can make this

1811
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: a massive thing.

1812
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 3: I don't hate this idea. I just think you have

1813
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 3: to ask yourself a couple of questions. I mean, listen,

1814
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 3: I don't think any of us expect for Pooton to win.

1815
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 3: That seems like a foegone conclusion. I mean, maybe some

1816
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 3: people do, but I don't think that's very realistic. But

1817
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 3: it's kind of beside the point. The question is like

1818
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 3: what can you get out of it? Obviously Poton can

1819
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 3: get a big pe day, but beyond that, like, what

1820
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 3: do we get out of it? What does TKO potentially

1821
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: get out of it. And the answer is, I think

1822
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 3: you have to kind of wait and see what happens

1823
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 3: with Poton. Now again, maybe they'll just completely dismiss this.

1824
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know if it will happen

1825
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 3: or whatever, but the question was should it happen, Well,

1826
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 3: maybe it should. Now b see if On Calive ends

1827
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: up beating Poton. This is kind of a moot point.

1828
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you could still do it, but you know,

1829
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to be champion, but it kind of

1830
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 3: works better if you're champion because you still have that

1831
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 3: aura as this guy who is really like the guy

1832
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 3: in the UFC. You get his belt taken, it's somewhat diminished.

1833
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: It doesn't change the fact that he can be a

1834
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: stand up fighter, but you know what, the prestige is

1835
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 3: somewhat diminished if that happens. But if he beats him, well,

1836
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 3: now you've got a question you have to ask yourself,

1837
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 3: which is what are you going to do with Poton?

1838
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 3: And I think it goes back to the heavyweight division BC,

1839
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 3: which is, if they can't find a way to make

1840
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 3: a Tom Aspinall versus John Jones fight, who the hell

1841
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 3: is Tom Aspinall? Going to fight, you might have to

1842
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: do a Tom Aspinall Pooton fight in that way, because

1843
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 3: like they're really I mean, you could do Serial Gone,

1844
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 3: but like BC, what's a bigger fight Pooton versus tom

1845
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 3: Aspinall or Gone versus Aspinall And the answer is clearly Poeton, right,

1846
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 3: So I'm not even sure even though he won that

1847
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 3: Gon even deserves a fight opposite Tom Aspall, just he

1848
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 3: be available and new, so that that would just be

1849
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 3: the reasoning there. But I guess what I'm trying to

1850
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 3: say is if you do get the John Jones fight

1851
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 3: and it does happen, Poton beats on Caliath, John has

1852
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 3: occupied time with Aspinall, You've got a little bit of

1853
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 3: house money to play with there. The only question you

1854
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 3: would have to ask yourself is will a fight like

1855
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 3: that launch some stardom for Poeton in the same way

1856
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 3: that McGregor became a bigger household name through the Mayweather fight.

1857
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 3: I think the answer is somewhat for sure, yes, not

1858
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 3: to the same degree, but somewhat pause pause.

1859
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: If they put the fight on Netflix, would that change

1860
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 2: your answer of somewhat yes.

1861
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 3: So if you could put it on Netflix, that changes

1862
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: I think the degree. The only thing I want to

1863
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 3: say is what do you risk if Poton gets smoked? R?

1864
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 3: What do you risk there? That's the only part I

1865
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 3: can't quite figure out because Mayweather, I do know, folks

1866
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 3: don't want to hear this, but Mayweather kind of carried

1867
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 3: McGregor early in that fight before just stomping his guts

1868
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 3: out later. But it made for a more thrilling environment.

1869
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 3: If if Usik did something like that for Pooton, I

1870
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 3: don't I don't need to see this fight, but in

1871
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 3: those scenarios, do I think that's something TKO could and

1872
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 3: maybe even should consider, Yes, I do. I think that

1873
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: would be something kind of interesting to go to sort of.

1874
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 4: A foregone conclusion about the result.

1875
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 3: But what it could do. Listen, MMA needs stars, and

1876
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 3: even if in a losing effort, if it makes Poton

1877
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 3: star power bigger, I don't know what the problem with

1878
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 3: that would be.

1879
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and what do you think about this?

1880
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 2: It is somewhat connected to this because Francis and Ganu

1881
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,759
Speaker 2: is a Saudi guy, right, He's a Turkey guy. Definitely

1882
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 2: a Turkey guy.

1883
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 3: Yes?

1884
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: Can he does he get brought into the TKO universe

1885
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 2: if they consolidate the three sports, like it looks like

1886
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: they're doing could you do not only him against John

1887
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: Jones and n MA if it's still mattered? But like

1888
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:01,879
Speaker 2: what if he boxed poets?

1889
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

1890
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's like, is Francis a playable character

1891
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 2: in a new world where TKO owns everything?

1892
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think if we know anything

1893
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 3: about the UFC, they when they go scorched to Earth,

1894
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 3: they don't. They don't go back. They scorch it and

1895
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 3: insult it. And that's the end of it. You know,

1896
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think there's any way back for him.

1897
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 3: All Right, some bulls up and with that that is

1898
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 3: our top five BC. I hand the show over to you.

1899
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Reggie. Hanging in there, Bud, there

1900
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: we go. Okay, you know what we do. We give

1901
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 2: you an email address because every Friday, if you hit

1902
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: up of course Morning Combat at gmail dot com, you've

1903
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 2: got an opportunity to dead wrong us or send in

1904
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 2: your fan subs, put yourself in our universe. Get on

1905
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,560
Speaker 2: the show. We start though, with the toughest segment of

1906
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 2: the week. Usually Daz is getting up in that as

1907
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 2: as he's telling us what we said wrong. You better

1908
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 2: have time stamps, and you better come Oridge and all.

1909
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 2: This one's called dead wrong.

1910
01:31:58,280 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 3: Then wrong.

1911
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 2: All right, I'm good with that graphic. I like it

1912
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 2: is that Gaff's voice.

1913
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 6: Again, No, not a Gaff production there?

1914
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 2: Whose voice is that long?

1915
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 3: Alan?

1916
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1917
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Speaker 6: I'm thinking it's Ai. I don't know who it is.

1918
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 2: All right, all right, here we go. Our first one

1919
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 2: is from Tom. He says, Hey, Luke, I've watched the

1920
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 2: show for years, and I've been letting you slide on

1921
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 2: this dead wrong, just as long as it's a point

1922
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 2: you've made repeatedly throughout the years. This week there was

1923
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 2: a DM from Donks from a fan named Liam. Every

1924
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: time the name Liam has mentioned, you make the point

1925
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 2: that this person must not be an American, but then

1926
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 2: he's most likely Irish. A fair assumption. Liam is an

1927
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 2: Irish name, after all. However, Liam has actually been the

1928
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: most common name given to American males for something like

1929
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 2: eight out of the last nine years.

1930
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the thing people say that doesn't end

1931
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: up bearing out in reality whatsoever.

1932
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 2: Well, I have kid. You know, my kids are seventeen,

1933
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: but in the last ten years they were in middle

1934
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: and elementary school. A lot of Liams. Look, I'll tell

1935
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 2: you that much. But he closes by saying there were

1936
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: roughly the same amount of Liams in the US as

1937
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 2: there are Lukes. Hope you enjoyed your onno mastics lesson,

1938
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: Keep up the good work.

1939
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 3: Guys.

1940
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 2: What do you have to say to Tom? Do you

1941
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 2: have anything to say to him?

1942
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: Luke?

1943
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't believe that.

1944
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 5: I wanted to pop in quick when he said there's

1945
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 5: as many Liams as there are Lukes. Growing up, my

1946
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 5: best friend's name was Liam, and obviously my name is Luke.

1947
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 5: I mean, there's plenty of Liams.

1948
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 3: It's very interesting that you have British friends on Long Island.

1949
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 6: He's born and raised on Long Island.

1950
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 2: Well, it's all of the Commonwealth there. But you know, look,

1951
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 2: do you are you in unable to take els anymore?

1952
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 2: Or are you just passionate that you won the last

1953
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 2: two debates?

1954
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: No?

1955
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 3: No, I I don't imagine that I'm convincing the world.

1956
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 4: But I'm sorry.

1957
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 3: I just don't believe that Liam is as popular here

1958
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 3: as people want us to believe. I don't. I don't

1959
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 3: believe that.

1960
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you know there was once an Asian

1961
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 2: barber named Jamal, but that's the story for another time.

1962
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, I mean what are we doing?

1963
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 2: Hey? This here from Dan, He says, Hey, Luke. Over

1964
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: the last two weeks or so, while doing MK as

1965
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: well as your personal channel, you said that Nasa Ordine

1966
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 2: Imovov is twenty eight years old. You've said it approximately

1967
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,799
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five thousand times. However, all online

1968
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: resources show his birthdate as being March first, nineteen ninety five.

1969
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 3: That's not true, making him twenty.

1970
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 2: Nine and turning thirty in less than a month. Get

1971
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 2: your facts straight, brother.

1972
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 3: He's wrong.

1973
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 4: I've looked this up and had to look at I.

1974
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 3: He's not that.

1975
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 4: This is absolutely wrong. Hold on, let me pull this up.

1976
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 3: Got I'm gonna, I'm gonna. What's that? What's the game

1977
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 3: UNO where you have like the reverse card?

1978
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 4: You know?

1979
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah, hit him with the reverse yeah.

1980
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 3: Aserdein Imovov was born nineteen ninety six March one, which

1981
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 3: makes him twenty eight years old.

1982
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 5: My website is that because sure Dog has ninety five

1983
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 5: just topology.

1984
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 3: Who I trust much more than sure Dog, So please

1985
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 3: lick the backside of my balls and tell me what

1986
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 3: it tastes like. Thank you very wow wow.

1987
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 2: Okay, swallow my pay Low tays is what Luke says

1988
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 2: to you, Dan, Hey, Dan, take that reverse l unless

1989
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 2: maybe he's right Luke and you're just not a bad.

1990
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 3: Unless his name is Liam, which I'm sure wouldn't be

1991
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 3: unless he was from across the pond.

1992
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1993
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 6: Look, we've got.

1994
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 2: One here from a fella named Daz.

1995
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 3: Right backup on that, as you know it, give.

1996
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 2: It, motherfucker okay. Das says a Loha Donks on the

1997
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 2: three twelve pregame preview episode at about twenty six to

1998
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 2: twenty BC and discussing Strickland's resume if he wins, says quote,

1999
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 2: if he becomes a two division champion and adds DDP

2000
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 2: to the list of guys that he beat, this is

2001
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 2: building a sneaky great resume. While I see your point,

2002
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,759
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you meant to say two time middleweight champion,

2003
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: not two division champion, though Sean did previously weigh one seventy,

2004
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 2: Das says. Das says, I enjoyed the return of the

2005
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: Man in the Hat. Also, BC, don't know why you

2006
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 2: guys keep trying to make Telvin key Papa and I

2007
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:01,759
Speaker 2: fight all love for my Hawaii guys and girls. Okay, Daz,

2008
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:06,679
Speaker 2: Both Dazz and Telvin were vehemently against pare knuckle fighting

2009
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 2: in the Lava Shack parking lot under MK promotions.

2010
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's like what is MK promotions? It's like

2011
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,759
Speaker 3: rough and rowdy from barstool only sadder.

2012
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 2: Do you remember when we did the London Live Show

2013
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: and we were literally pitching an idea on how to

2014
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 2: break the j Piquette and UHT David Appleton tie for

2015
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: Donk of the Year, and like there was a group

2016
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: of people that were like, dude, what did they just

2017
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 2: fight on the stage? Like, what did they just fight

2018
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 2: to the death.

2019
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think we came up with

2020
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,560
Speaker 3: that idea.

2021
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 2: It was one of my ideas, you know, like okay, yeah,

2022
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 2: there you go. U they I thought a trivia challenge

2023
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 2: could work. But you know, for insurance purposes are like

2024
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 2: Appy made shows may show his peace, you know what

2025
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, And we can't we can't have that, all right,

2026
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 2: thank you very much regarding I take the l on that.

2027
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 2: I look, when we do pregame preview, we have some substances,

2028
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, this what we do. That's that's what we do,

2029
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 2: all right. Our last dead wrong comes from a fellow

2030
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 2: named Daz. Right, same guy, he says on Monday Show.

2031
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,959
Speaker 2: While discussing where Drikis Dupless sits in the Pantheon of Champions.

2032
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,799
Speaker 2: At one eighty five, Luke correctly states that, like Rich Franklin,

2033
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: DDP has two title defenses. However, Luke stated these defenses

2034
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: came against Evan Tanner and David Luazo LT. That is

2035
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 2: only half correct. Franklin won the title against Tanner, he

2036
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 2: defended against Nate Quarry.

2037
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 3: And that's right, good call. I'll take that out. I'll

2038
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 3: take that out.

2039
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 2: Bad recall for fights that happened twenty years ago. And

2040
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 2: he adds shout out to Bong Island Luke for his

2041
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: no bets barred appearance with Jed Mushue on the MMA

2042
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 2: Fighting Podcast. Thanks for all the content, Mahaalo, Daz. Did

2043
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 2: you hear about this Jed Mushue and Luke Nocito tip

2044
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 2: to tip did you hear?

2045
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? They're having sex consensual?

2046
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 2: Well done, well played. Thank you Daz for counting it,

2047
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: for calling us out, Thank you very much. You can

2048
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: hit us up at Morning Coombat at gmail dot com.

2049
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 2: If you believe we have said something in error or

2050
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 2: acted a fool, or you're offended by us, bring it.

2051
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Our final segment is you putting your wife in tight

2052
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 2: mk T shirts while you visit areas of the world,

2053
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 2: and maybe average Joe art making a return. This one's

2054
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 2: called fan submissions. You've got mail, feures the iconic voice

2055
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: of Gaffney Jim Pierre right there. All right, let's hit

2056
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 2: it from Bob. He says, what's up, guys, This is

2057
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 2: Bob from Atlanta. Wanted to send my condolences Luke's way.

2058
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I also lost my dog slash best friend recently and

2059
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 2: have turned to art as my therapy.

2060
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 3: Wow.

2061
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 2: I know we are art fans, so I wanted to

2062
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 2: share this handmade painting I made in homest God lift

2063
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 2: Luke and his family during this tough time. If Luke

2064
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 2: would like this painting, just send me location and I'm

2065
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 2: happy to ship it on over man.

2066
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 3: I would love this one. Let me take as leave

2067
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 3: it up because I want to send this to my wife. Yeah, Hey,

2068
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 3: Long Island, Luke, can we get this sent to the

2069
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 3: studio or not?

2070
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, we could definitely make that happen.

2071
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love this painting. I am moved by

2072
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 3: this man that I am. That's incredible. Yeah, that is incredible.

2073
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 2: And Bob, that's that's some serious art right there, And

2074
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 2: especially when art is fueled by this much love and

2075
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 2: grace and care. That's good shit. That's some busheto That's

2076
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about it.

2077
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Man. They really got you know, he got

2078
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 3: Barbas's face obviously, he got Lola's face really well too. Yeah. Man, man,

2079
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 3: I miss him, Bro, I miss him. Yeah.

2080
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 2: I would definitely go fishing with Bob before the meth

2081
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 2: of course. But let's keep this going. This is average

2082
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 2: Joe art. You remember him, right, he was the Donk

2083
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: of the year, he says, wanting to send something new

2084
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 2: inspired by Luke's recent art exhibit experience, I hope the

2085
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 2: MK fans can enjoy some good old fashioned fans ups

2086
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 2: while on the next wave of MK merch. Tried to

2087
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 2: make these as accurate as possible, with Luke's tats and

2088
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 2: each of you wearing clothing inspired by the ones you

2089
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,799
Speaker 2: love very much. You two have now been super wash Dads,

2090
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtles, Beavis and butt Head characters, Scooby Doo trolls,

2091
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 2: Dragonball and now Lego figures perhaps in twenty twenty twenty five.

2092
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 2: Excuse me, it's time to explore those nineties movies that

2093
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 2: BC loves to quote so much and that I'm incredibly

2094
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 2: fond of. That's a threat right there from Average Joe

2095
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Art Luke. Look at this brick to brick? So am

2096
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 2: I wearing a zib What does that say?

2097
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 3: Under beat Forever?

2098
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,640
Speaker 2: Oh? That is Oh my god, that's beautiful.

2099
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 3: That is it was reminiscent of that like remember you

2100
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 3: for like the Michael Kissa interview in Vegas. You wore

2101
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 3: like all right, like a sperm cell.

2102
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 5: Your hat also is a heart with one point fifteen

2103
01:40:59,160 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 5: written in it.

2104
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's so Wait what is the one fifteen signify.

2105
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 2: Only fans? Yeah? Oh wow, thank you average dude.

2106
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 3: Look another Barbers shirt. This is beyond incredible.

2107
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 2: I think that's a Chewbacca And oh is that.

2108
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 3: No, that's Barbus bro Wow, that's Barbs Wow.

2109
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So what do you think about Average Joe R

2110
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 2: teasing you know, a hand in the future of the

2111
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 2: MK merch. I mean this could be uh.

2112
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 4: We could use his help.

2113
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: We could use his help.

2114
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 2: This could be the greatest merger since Mark in Montana

2115
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 2: de la Rosa, right one. You know, no one talks

2116
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: about them in the MMA power couple. You know rankings right?

2117
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 3: I guess I don't. But that is a great piece

2118
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 3: of work. Thank you, average or that is unbelievable. I'm

2119
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 3: going to send that one to my wife as well.

2120
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 2: We have another fan sub from a m NMBR one

2121
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 2: bullshit guy. He says, I had heard rumors of the

2122
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 2: Global Fight League beginning construction of an apex style facility

2123
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 2: to host them. Did you see that?

2124
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 3: Did you see that they're gonna have showgun fight? Joel Romero? Dude,

2125
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 3: putting showgun in a fight in twenty twenty five should

2126
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 3: be a crime.

2127
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 2: I'm shamelessly into what rock holed Wideman two.

2128
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, not not quite crime territory, but that one's gonna

2129
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 3: end bad.

2130
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 2: Little do you think about Uriah Hall against Douglas Lima?

2131
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 2: I kind of also don't hate that.

2132
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Speaker 3: I don't hate that one as much, although Lima has

2133
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 3: certainly seen better days.

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01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: Been the star of man. It plays all right. So

2135
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 2: to close here from number one bullshit guy, he says,

2136
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 2: rumors of GFL opening their own Apex facility to host

2137
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 2: their Geriatric bum Fights, and this past weekend I snapped

2138
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 2: a picture of the site location in central Florida. Thanks

2139
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 2: as always. So that is a dumpster in central Florida

2140
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: with the initials GFL.

2141
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 3: That just looks like Florida. Bro that I mean, that

2142
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 3: is like when I think of Florida, this is what

2143
01:42:58,200 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 3: I think of right here.

2144
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 2: Real quick on GFL. Hey, Darren Owen, drop the team. Shit,

2145
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 2: we don't want that. But even though some of these

2146
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 2: matchups that you're teasing are gross, I think people will

2147
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 2: be into them, Luke, Like, we've never really had a

2148
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 2: Legends League. Never, I mean, Belator did have it.

2149
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 3: We did have a Legends League in it tanked. Which

2150
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:18,560
Speaker 3: one was that Bellatore?

2151
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 2: Oh that's what I said. Yeah, besides that season when

2152
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 2: Belatore was specializing in that it could work for a bit.

2153
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 3: It's not going to work. Look at me, it's not

2155
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 3: going to work.

2156
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 2: Will they ever have show number one?

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01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 3: They might, They might have some shows. And look, I'm

2158
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 3: not going to say like the fights will all be

2159
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 3: bad or like they won't do like good numbers in

2160
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 3: terms of viewership, but in terms of making money and

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01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 3: staying in business, they're I mean, I've never seen a

2162
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 3: bigger guaranteed failure than this one. This one was going there. Dude,

2163
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 3: you could just go out and just jerk off into

2164
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 3: a pile of money, set it on fire, and that's

2165
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 3: going to be more effective.

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01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 2: Use I mean that that, you know, you could remove

2167
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 2: the masturbation from that specific equation. I think it still

2168
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 2: hits the point. But uh uh, you know, I think

2169
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Shop is going to be one of the broadcasters so

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01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 2: hopefully that I mean, I want to see people work, Luke.

2171
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 2: I want to see this industry, you know, fueled. We'll

2172
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 2: see not calling me, I can tell you that, all right.

2173
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you need me to do something

2174
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 2: on the Wideman rock Hold two fight, I'll be in.

2175
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 2: I got a Wideman rock Hold two poster right here, Luke,

2176
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Okay on the wall.

2177
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 3: So I'm talking about Wait, no Wideman rock Hold one.

2178
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 2: No. I got the UFC one ninety nine Part two poster.

2179
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: No way.

2180
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: I also have the Habib versus Max Holloway UFC two

2181
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: twenty three poster and the canceled rock Hold versus Robert

2182
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 2: Whittaker Australia one.

2183
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 3: I found in my drawer the other day. My MGM

2184
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 3: key card from my room during Maymack. So I have

2185
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 3: the Maymax uh plastic room key that I took from

2186
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 3: MGM and never returned I have.

2187
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 2: We've seen it before, Luke rda versus Colm McGregor UFC

2188
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 2: one ninety six.

2189
01:44:58,600 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 4: Hold a little higher, a little higher.

2190
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,839
Speaker 3: Al Yeah, that's crazy.

2191
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 2: That is a relic. That is really a relic, a

2192
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 2: piece along with what our friends at m may on

2193
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 2: point when I won in that game, this alexiolenic card,

2194
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 2: which is just fantastic. Okay, it's great, Yeah, thank you.

2195
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 2: All right, Allan W is here with the fans. Remember

2196
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 2: that guy Luke, he's a work treasure, Alan W.

2197
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 3: You know this is he.

2198
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Says, Hey, donks, I made a super super heavyweight bracket before,

2199
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 2: but this time I made a super banham weight bracket.

2200
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 2: To put in perspective, how well will in a way

2201
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 2: do against the best one twenty twos of all time.

2202
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 2: The idea of in a way jumping to fight Tank

2203
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 2: Davis is laughable one twenty two, and you can argue

2204
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 2: one twenty six will be in a way's cap anyway.

2205
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 2: I have my winner in mind, but i'd like to

2206
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 2: know BC's opinion on who would win. These prime versus

2207
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: prime matchups at one hundred and twenty two pounds. Look,

2208
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,560
Speaker 2: that's a hell of a bracket right there, right Probably.

2209
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 3: You thought you're talking about legends only, bro God.

2210
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, fred to Vesquez could punch too against Barrera, Rolfrado Gomez,

2211
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Rego, come on all right, who is

2212
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 2: coming out here? At one twenty two?

2213
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 3: I think beats Vazquez.

2214
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you on that.

2215
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,520
Speaker 3: I agree. I think in a way beats Morales.

2216
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would give and of all these fights,

2217
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: that's the fight that I'm sitting in the front row

2218
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 2: in maxing out.

2219
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 3: My credit card. So that and we already know in

2220
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 3: a way has fought dun Air twice, so you know

2221
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 3: we kind of know how that one goes. So in

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01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 3: a way wins the left bracket the right bracket. Now,

2223
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 3: he never.

2224
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 2: Thought he never fought prime, don't there. Let's be fair

2225
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 2: about that, Okay, he never caught number three.

2226
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 3: I still think, in a way, I still think in

2227
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 3: a way as your winner. But the right side of

2228
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:41,879
Speaker 3: the Brackett's out of my that's above my pay grade.

2229
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, to answer the question, I think in a

2230
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 2: way might actually might actually win this at one twenty two. Yeah,

2231
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 2: I think he would. And that's crazy because these are

2232
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 2: these are all time I mean obviously him against Rego,

2233
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 2: him against Prime one twenty two, gearm Rigandow would be

2234
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 2: the ultimate style clash to see what would happen. We

2235
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, when we finally got Loma versus Rego, we

2236
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 2: got it two divisions too high. Rego was old. He

2237
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, gave up when it when it got hard.

2238
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 2: But that's an interesting offer there from good old Alan W. Luke.

2239
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 2: We saw some updates under the screen here from Long

2240
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 2: Island Luke. But he mentioned that the Gordon Ruzabiov fight

2241
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 2: is canceled because but Gordon did make way and everybody

2242
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 2: else made way. Thank you, Luke. Coffee talk, no Sata.

2243
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 2: We've got one more fans ub from Ben Dover. It's

2244
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 2: a video. Well you have to say this mid Awake

2245
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: divisions hot and I'm excited. But one thing though that

2246
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 2: Tatiana Suarez said this week that the real main event

2247
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 2: is the coal main event. Would you guys agree with

2248
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 2: her in terms of your interest level? Or is that false?

2249
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 11: I love the fight, I don't think I don't think

2250
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 11: it's going to hold more interest for the broader audience.

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01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 2: You know, you say broader as a way to to

2252
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 2: like sneakily say the women the fem audience, like, I

2253
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 2: don't know, Look which one do you? Which one do

2254
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 2: you care about? More of the fan in you and

2255
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 2: seeing the result of seeing it happen.

2256
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 3: I honestly don't care in the sense that if Strickland

2257
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 3: wins him versus Hamsad is going.

2258
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 2: To know I'm talking about what do you mean?

2259
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it's deserved. It's deserved. I say, it's deserved.

2260
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 3: What can I say? What can I do?

2261
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 2: We are under the heavy influence of things during that program.

2262
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm not sober there. You gotta cut

2263
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 3: me ot.

2264
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean you're arguably really not sober there, really really

2265
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 2: so Yeah.

2266
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 4: But that's a fair point.

2267
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 3: I am sorry that I wasn't a better listener for

2268
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 3: that and many other times. But hopefully today was a

2269
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 3: little better.

2270
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a great show today. Those will wrap

2271
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 2: up the fan subs and dead wrongs. A final reminder

2272
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 2: of Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Tell mikey we said, Hi,

2273
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 2: do not do not take a selfie of your genitalia.

2274
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

2275
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 3: Take a picture of your balls and Dick.

2276
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 2: Disgusting, but wow, what a great show, Luke. And you know,

2277
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 2: hopefully they end racism and combat sports. But whatever, we'll

2278
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,760
Speaker 2: see what happens tonight. Tonight, you gotta watch this fight.

2279
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna be good. Keishawan Davis, I'm interested in that.

2280
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 2: Are you gonna are you musty TV on cannoneer? Are

2281
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 2: you just gonna catch it? When you catch it?

2282
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 3: I'm taking the fam to New York City this weekend

2283
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 3: for a little bit of a getaway trip. So yeah, yeah,

2284
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 3: so no, no, I'll watch it after the fact.

2285
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:45,560
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sounds good. Enjoy it, enjoy, be safe and enjoy.

2286
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 4: Luke, Long Island.

2287
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 3: Luke, are you gonna do main card minute and be

2288
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 3: the boyfriend of the year again? Or what's how's this

2289
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 3: gonna go?

2290
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 1: Hey?

2291
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 6: Hey, hey, yeah, I'll be there.

2292
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,600
Speaker 5: I'll be live seven o'clock Main Card, join me and

2293
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:55,679
Speaker 5: Gaff Main Card minute?

2294
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:56,480
Speaker 6: Thank you?

2295
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 3: You know I was, I was thinking about this BC

2296
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 3: the card next week, not this one tomorrow obviously, but

2297
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 3: the one next week, the boxing card. Yeah, like every

2298
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 3: fight is a fucking banger. I might do a seven hour,

2299
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 3: eight hour broadcast for that. I'm not even doing a

2300
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 3: bit like I'm thinking about like get calling in some

2301
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 3: reinforcements and then doing that.

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01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 2: That's that's an interesting idea. Yeah, that's gonna be a

2303
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:18,679
Speaker 2: fantastic card. And then we've got Tank the next weekend

2304
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 2: after that Tank Roach. So what a time. Let's go,

2305
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 2: Let's go big time.

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01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 3: Bang to me. Let's bang all right. As a reminder,

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01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 3: like and subscribe if you haven't already, We're also everywhere

2308
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 3: on social We all also have our own YouTube channels.

2309
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 3: Of course, you can get the Brian Campbell experience or

2310
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 3: just mind Luke Thomas. Go and check out all of

2311
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:40,679
Speaker 3: the stuff that goes there. Enjoy the fights tomorrow, reach

2312
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 3: the show as you already saw Morning Combat at gmail

2313
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 3: dot com. Enjoy the fights tonight as well if you're

2314
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 3: gonna watch some box SAO and then tomorrow. UFC will

2315
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 3: be back with a show on Monday. We will not

2316
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 3: be in studio, but we will have one to react

2317
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 3: to everything this Monday as well, So catch us live

2318
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 3: at eleven am on Monday. You see anything else before

2319
01:50:57,880 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 3: we go?

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01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Uh, catch me up outside? How abouta and much love

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01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,759
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson. We're in this battle. Let's go, let's go okay,

2322
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:06,919
Speaker 2: Team Reggie, let's.

2323
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 3: Go send all of our best wishes to Team reg

2324
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 3: We hope he gets better, let us know, and until then,

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Speaker 3: we're done. That's BC IMLT. This has been MK. Until

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Speaker 3: next time, may all of your gains be loyal