1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club sha Shay. I 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: am your whole Shannon Sharp also the proprietor of Club 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Shashay and the guy that's coming by to have a 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: drinking conversation to date is my farmer boss. He's also 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: a three time Pro bowler, two time first team All Pro. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: He's an All Decades nineteen eighties tight end, two time 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ of an executive, National High School Football 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, College Football Hall of Fame, Pro Football 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Brown's Ring of Honor, the Worth of 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Oz my former boss, Ozzy Newson. All my life and 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: grinding all my life Second Fice custle back Price, one 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: slice got the Browner dice swap all my life. I've 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: been grinding in all my life, all my life. Then 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: grinding all my life, sacond Fice hustle back Price, one 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: slice got the brondic to swap all my life. I've 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: been grinding in all my life. Oh, how you doing today? Bro? 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Shannon's always a great opportunity for me 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: and you to have a little chit chat, to go 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: back and forth. And you know what, and I tell 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: people I say other than I have a very Yeah, 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: he was my boss, but we're kind of like he's 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: like my older older brother because he we're always joking 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: and carrying all with one another. So it is. It's 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: always good to catch up with you. How you go ahead, 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: and I was gonna ask you, how have you been. 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: I've been good, you know, Uh, like I'm here in 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: the office, as you can tell, and uh, just finished 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: with practice, and uh, I was just finished watching some 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: college tape a little bit, you know, because pretty soon 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: the draft will be here. So I'm staying busy, enjoying 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And if you could guarantee me a 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: victory on Sunday, I'd be a real happy man. Holdo 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: you retire. I thought you would gonna be less busy, 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: You gonna get a chap to do more golf and 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: enjoy life. It seems like, yeah, you go, you got 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: a better job, but you working just as hard. It's 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: cold outside. I can't go play golf, you know, when 38 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: the weather's like this. I'm better off in the office. 39 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: So are you enjoying the new role? You transition? You're 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the executive executive vice president, So do you enjoy the 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: new role? Now? Yes, I am. I really am. You know, 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Erica was with me. I think he was the second 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: person that we hired when we moved over from Cleveland, 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: so we got twenty three years together. Steve did a 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: great job with the transition. You know, had it set 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: up five years in advance, so we kind of knew 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: what was going to happen, and it's been going really good. 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: Enjoy My relationship with John Harball, Dick Cass and Steve 49 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: has just been unbelievable. And you know, I'm still around 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: the players all of the time. Then that keeps you young. 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: So are you watching more take than you did before? 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: How I mean? So what's the ratio now as opposed 53 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: to watching practice, watching film on college the guys free agents. 54 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing more now because I don't have to do 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: I don't have people walking in my office every five minutes, 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: but you know, some issues that they probably could handle themselves, 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: but you know, they always want the boss to handle it. 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: So I have more time to watch tape. And I 59 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: enjoy going out to practices, and I watched the practice tape, 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: So I'm doing a lot more. All of the things 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do and I couldn't do because 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: I had all those other things to do. I'm able 63 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: to do it now when I look at the twenty 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: twenty Ravens. Obviously, twenty nineteen was an unbelievable season for 65 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: you guys. You had a great record, Lamar Jackson, the 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: United VP. It didn't kind of end the way you 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: wanted to. So when you go back and look at 68 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen coming into twenty twenty, what were some of 69 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: the things that you wanted to do to make sure 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty ended better than twenty nineteen. Well, you know, 71 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I think we matured as a team in twenty nineteen, 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: and that maturity did not end with the way we 73 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: wanted to by getting beat in the first round. But 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: I think we learned from that. You know, you can 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: learn from losing just like you can learn from winning, 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: and so I think we did that. You know, Uh, 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: Eric and I and our group, we did a good 78 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: job of putting together a good roster. It was different 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: this year because we had the sixteen practice squad players, 80 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: so we could build a bigger depth for our football teams, 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: because you're gonna need some depth as you go through it. 82 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, in the second year with Lamar 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and how great Roman and John him have embraced Lamark 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: and putting him in a role that he can be 85 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: who he is. And our players understand that. So we're 86 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: better defensively. You know, we're still good in the secondary. 87 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: You know, we were starting to get some pressure and 88 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: you know with me, you know, getting class and Derek Wolfe, 89 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: you know up front where we can stop to run 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: when we have to stop the run. Well, I look 91 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: at you guys, and I look at what you've done. 92 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: You've always been a guy that's looking to get that 93 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: that veteran fregent that come that come from somewhere, that's 94 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: one before. That's a great locker room guy. And when 95 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: things he makes sure things don't get to the head culture. 96 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: They doesn't have to go upstairs. They can handle it 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: within the locker room. And I believe that's the guy 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: in Calais Campbell that you mentioned. How what is he 99 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: meant to your team? Well, you know we had that 100 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: with you and Rob Wilson. You know we had with 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: Tony Sarah Goose. We've we've always had that veteran players 102 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: you just just discussed described that can come in and 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: they understand our culture and our culture is you know, 104 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: we all going to allow you to be who you are, 105 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: shoot your own time, practice heart, and play well on 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: Sunday and then all the rest of the stuff takes 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: care of itself. But to have someone to come in 108 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: like Klaas who was thirsty to win, you know, and 109 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: he was being able to bring his leadership ability to 110 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: match you with our ability to find ways to win games. 111 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: He's been a great match like it Wasn't you appreciate that? 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: But you signed going to What were you thinking when 113 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: you signed Daz? Dad hadn't played on a very long time. 114 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: He was coming off a very serious injury, Achilles injury. 115 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: And you know, at his skilled position, especially the wide receiver, 116 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: the Achilles injury is probably he's normally the death blow. 117 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: It used to be the ACL, but modern medicine has 118 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: made the ACL guys come back stronger, faster better from ACL, 119 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: but the achiling is not so much. What were you 120 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: thinking when you signed Daz Bran Well, you know it 121 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: was a relationship that Eric had with his an agent. 122 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: We brought up Dazz in seven or eight weeks before 123 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: we signed, and he came in and he worked out 124 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: and you know he needed to get in football. Ship. 125 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: We told him, you know, take the opportunity to go 126 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: get yourself in football ship ship and we'll bring you 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: back in for another workout. That's what Eric promised Dads. 128 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: And he came back in and he was in football ship. 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: And what he does he provides a bigger target when 130 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: we get down into the red area. You know, we 131 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: got Marquees and we got Duvenai, and we got Willie Sneed. 132 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: But now we have a more bigger physical receiver down 133 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: in the red area that can make some contested catches 134 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: because you know, things are tight when when you get 135 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: down in the red area, but a guy can go 136 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: up and make a contested catch. You tried to sign 137 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: Dad a few years ago and that didn't work out. 138 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: Why did you think and not work out there? And 139 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: had he not gotten over being released because a lot 140 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: of times you and I have talked about this in 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: the past, when guys have been in a situation for 142 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: an extremely long period of time, if tough, when a 143 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: team releases you, it's almost like a relationship. You're like 144 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: the shock up. I'm no longer a cowboy, I'm no 145 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: longer patriot, I'm no longer this. Do you think that 146 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: has something to do with it, no question, no question 147 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: it did you know, I think he was in shock 148 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: by getting released. You know, he needed to take some 149 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: time for this. And you know, the jump right in 150 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: this situation that we will offer him, he just wasn't 151 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: comfortable with, you know, and he and he took a 152 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: whole year off, a year and a half off, and 153 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: then obviously he signed with the Saints. But you know, 154 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: those things happen, you know, but I think a relationship 155 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: was built with theirs during the time, a trust factor 156 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: was built with him, and so when it came time 157 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: for him to try to come back to play football, 158 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: then he picked up the phone and called Eric, I'm 159 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: looking at you. The last you You've been great at 160 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: this and we'll talk about this. Your last draft. The 161 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: last player you selected in the first round was Lamar Jackson. 162 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: What did you see Ozzy and him that would make 163 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: you trade back into the first round and select him, 164 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: because he's anything but prototypical. Why were you so convinced 165 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: we need this guy and we'll build the fortress to 166 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: around him. We're gonna play to his strint, not bring 167 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: him in and make him play the hours. Well, you 168 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: know you have to give the owner, Steve A. Shoddy. Uh, 169 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, that was a draft that had five quarterbacks. 170 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: I think going the first round start with Baker at 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: the beginning, and uh and Steve, you know, knew it 172 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: was time for us to start to look toward moving 173 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: away from Joe and he felt like that class was 174 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: a good enough class to do it. And what we 175 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: did with the first pick, we were able to get 176 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: a tight end, as you know, and Hayden Hurst. So 177 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: that was going to help us in the immediate you know, 178 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, we Joe likes to throw the tight ends. 179 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: That was gonna help us in the immediate. But then 180 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: we saw an opportunity. Ericad did his homework and he 181 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: knew Philly was thinking about moving out. They wasn't very 182 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: happy with who they saw on the board at that point, 183 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: and we had some additional resources with some extra picks, 184 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: so we made the phone call. They were willing to 185 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: do it, and we got Lamar in, you know, just 186 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: saying hey, you're a quarterback. You could come here and 187 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: play quarterback. But I think you have to give all 188 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: the credit to John Harbaugh, to Greg Roman and those 189 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: guys because in that second year they said, hey, we 190 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: are going to do what Lamar do. We're not gonna 191 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: turn him into Joe Montana or Dan Marino. You're gonna 192 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: allow Lamar to be who Lamar is. And you know what, 193 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: he's a tremendous talent. He's an unbelievable person. And you 194 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: know we is when you get in our business, Shan 195 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: and this, you know, you play to a player's strength, correct, 196 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, That's what we did with Lamar, And you 197 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: know what, it changed the game a little bit. And 198 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: I think there are going to be more quarterbacks. They're 199 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: gonna be coming out. There's going to be like Lamar, 200 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: and I think he's not a trendsetter. As you know, 201 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: so many people make the mistakes. You have a system 202 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, well, this is my system, this is 203 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: what I this is what I run offensively, this is 204 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: what I run defensively. But you know, the really good 205 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: coaches they find a way and says, okay, this is 206 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: what you do, well, I'm gonna let you do that. 207 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: If this is what you do, well, I'm gonna let 208 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: you do that. And for you for you guys to 209 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: take Lamar sif okay, you're back, and for Greg Roman 210 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: to build a system around this young man's strength. Not 211 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people were willing to do that 212 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: because that's what you had to do. If you make 213 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: him a prototypical quarterback, I don't know if he can 214 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: succeed at beings sending yeah because she hadn't. You and 215 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: I both know if they would have had us blocking 216 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: five techniques and nine techniques and not throwing us some balls. 217 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: I see how you're shaking your head, then they it 218 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna worry happen. Yeah, But like I said, all 219 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: that credit goes to Greg and John having the willingness 220 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: to say, hey, we are going to do this, and 221 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: you know what, and it his Lamar and Lamar you 222 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: had moved by in because you know people weren't trying 223 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: to change him. You mentioned John Harbaugh and you on staff. 224 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: When you hired John, what was it about job? Because 225 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: special teams coaches don't normally get hired. They're normally former 226 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: head coaches, office coordinators, defensive coordinators. You don't normally hire 227 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: a special teams coach to build a head coach. And 228 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: that's what John Harbor's background was in. And you guys, 229 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: you a team Bashadi, You're like, this is our guy. Well, 230 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, the special team coach, you know, they deal 231 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: with that fifty second and fifty third player the whole time. Yea, 232 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, they they're they're trying to figure out every 233 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: week who are the best guys that they can get 234 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: to be able to go out and perform. So they 235 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: understand the mechanics of the roster, you know, and that's 236 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: huge when you're dealing with a new head because he 237 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: understands that, you know, we need to keep that eight 238 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: offensive lineman or ninth offensive lineman. We can't have that 239 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: great special teams player we want. So he understood that. 240 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: But but the other thing that John did that last 241 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: year before we got him, he went coach to secondary, 242 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: so we had someone that was coming in the building 243 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: that number one was probably the best special teams coach 244 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: of his time, but had all so spend time on defense. 245 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: So this is a guy that can walk into two 246 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: rooms and be able to fix some things. And then 247 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: of course, you know, his dad was a longtime coach, 248 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: his brother was, so it was football. You know. It's 249 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: his sister married a basketball coach, and this coaching in college, 250 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: so you know, it was it was all about football 251 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: sports coaching and uh, you know what, and it's been 252 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: an unbelievable high and he's an unbelievable person with him 253 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: and his wife's Ingrid and their daughter Allison. You talk 254 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: about that, you talk about the relationship because you know 255 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: you and I early early in my career, out of 256 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: those special teams, anybody really tried to play special teams. 257 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to be the start on offense, everybody's trying 258 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: to be the start on defense. And for him to 259 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: be able to take all those personalities, he's like, guys, 260 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: I understand that you want to be in a different 261 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: room playing offense, catching touchdowns, running the ball, or getting 262 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: the sacks or getting interceptions, but this is a third 263 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: of what we do. And to get guys to buy in, 264 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing for a head coaches 265 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: to have communication and to convince the guys to believe 266 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: in what he's said, no question about that. And you 267 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: can't teach that. You know you have that. And the 268 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: thing that you know, because I don't even remember, you 269 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: are a pretty good special team. If you're a good 270 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: special teams player, then you're probably gonna be a good 271 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: position player in either offensive defense because you realize, you know, 272 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: this is my time. Well, I'm on special teams when 273 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm young, and I'm gonna be good at that. Then 274 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: that helps you to be good at that. But yeah, 275 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: but having John having all of those understandings and dealing 276 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: with the different personalities because you know you got you know, 277 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: first round defensive backs to be like, nah, I don't 278 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: want to play on those special teams. If you have 279 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: to be able to get them to play on special teams, 280 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: because it is one third of the game. After you 281 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: look at you started this. The first started this at 282 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, and there are very few people that 283 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: can say I've drafted a Hall of famer. Your claim 284 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: to fame, You've already you drafted three Hall of famers. 285 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: It subs it's probably gonna be the fourth end of 286 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: lamarking teen you on the path, this will be five. 287 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: What's your thought process when you go into the draft 288 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: looking for a player? It is it take? Is it game? 289 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Is it feel? Is it talking to the guy? What 290 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: is it that made you in nineteen ninety six? Says 291 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden and ray Lewis. Because when you guys moved 292 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: from Cleveland to Baltimore, the popular pick. Everybody wanted Lawrence Phillips. 293 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: You wanted somebody that can sell tickets, but you like 294 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: an offensive lib, an offensive liab, but don't sell tickets. Yeah, 295 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: but you know, we spend a lot of time building 296 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: our board. You know, it starts it actually starts a 297 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: month after the draft, where you know, scouts have to 298 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: do grades on the upcoming seniors. Okay, so you have 299 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: nine months worth the work. And when we were in 300 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: that draft, and you know, it was no doubt that 301 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: the number one player was Jonathan Oden and you know, 302 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Hardy, we liked him. He goes, Simeon Rice goes, 303 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, and we're setting them and you have mister 304 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Modele wanted us to take, you know, Lawrence Phillis. But 305 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: if you're going to start something, which we were starting, 306 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: and then you help people believe in what you're doing, 307 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: and if you're gonna rate someone to be the highest 308 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: rated player, you can't pass it. Even though we had 309 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Tony Jones, who you played with themselves, but we could 310 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: not pass, you know, and that set the board, and 311 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: of course as we get to raid, you know, then 312 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to have that second pick in 313 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: the first round and he was the highest rated guy 314 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: at that time. So that set the tone is, hey, 315 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: do all your work, you know, get your boys set 316 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: and stay true to the board. You when I look 317 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: at I mean obviously and these guys are transcending argument. 318 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: You make the case that Ray Lewis is the greatest 319 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: middle linebacker to ever play the game, one of the 320 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: greatest defensive players. Ed Reid, in my estimation, is the 321 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: greatest free safety, strong free whatever you want to rate it. 322 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: He's the greatest free safety I've ever played against and 323 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: never taken off on on tape. What is it? What 324 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: is it at convisition? Okay, Jonathan Doctor should be the 325 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: number one player on if I we were the number 326 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: one pick, Hey we take Jonathan Doctor. What is it 327 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: about a guy? What is it that can see Channa? 328 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: You guy's a football player. People in football. Right at 329 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you got your your measurables, 330 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: you got all your psychological testing, you got all your interviews. 331 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's the guy 332 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: a football player. Priest Homes Prest Homes was a football player. 333 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: RuSHA Yanna was a football player. Jermaine Lewis was a 334 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: football player. So you know, at the end of the day, 335 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: you have to get a guy that's a football player 336 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: and forget about some of the other metrics that we use. 337 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: Is he a football player and if he's a football player, 338 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna play for it. I forgot. Yeah. I didn't 339 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: gonna end up in the Hall of Fame too, because 340 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: all those Pro Bowls and first Team All Pro. So 341 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: you and guess what, you could end up going into 342 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame again as a contributor. I had. I 343 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: thought I had it. I thought I had you you're 344 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: gonna have two to one. Well, but Shannon, you know 345 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: you and I are on the same cult to sack already. Man, 346 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, but you get moving to another building, you 347 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: would have two thousands in the same subdivision. You know. Hey, 348 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: we're just gonna enjoy them first ones. Okay, that's enjoy 349 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: those first ones. You know, but if it ever happens, 350 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: it'll be the shortest speech in the history of the holiday. 351 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: I had to set there and listen at all the 352 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: rest of them. Yeah, hey, I don't know. I hopefully 353 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: we'll have it. But you man, can you imagine with 354 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: all the guys that they missed twenty twenty and they're 355 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: coming back in twenty twenty one. Man, that thing might 356 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: have to start at five o'clock in the morning. They 357 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: go to midnight. Hey, but they say, you have to 358 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: we have to pack a lunch and were gonna be there. Yeah, yeah, man, 359 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of people on that stage 360 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: dozing offsit. So how do you feel? How do you 361 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: feel about this season? Do you like where you are? 362 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: Obviously you like to win a few more games, But 363 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you guys, the last two three weeks 364 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: of the season, this is the best you look all year. Well, Shannon, 365 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's been a a typical season with the coronavirus, right, 366 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know all the different protocols. You know, 367 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of anxiety away from the football field 368 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: because of dealing with COVID nineteen. You know, and today 369 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: you can do this and tomorrow you may not be 370 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: able to do it. So all thirty two clubs that 371 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: have to deal with that, and you know, and we 372 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: went through that situation where we I think had nineteen 373 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: guys there was not able to play the cause of COVID, 374 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: But you know, we made it through that. We weathered 375 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: that storm and right now, you know, you know, I 376 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: think the guys feel like that, Hey, we got to 377 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: this point last year and we didn't take the next step. 378 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: And it was probably eighty ninety percent of the team 379 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: was only that fourteen and two team last year. So 380 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: I I think they're looking forward to taking this year 381 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: and going one step further. Let's get back to your 382 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: Let's get back to go back to where it started. 383 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: You grew up in Alabama, a small town called Muscle, Alabama. 384 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: You worked in the cotton fields. What is it about 385 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: you a lot of your childhood? What do you remember 386 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: most well? You know, what is that you need to work? 387 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: You know, hard work pays off. You know, what you 388 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: and I endure was nothing that our parents had to endure. 389 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: It with segregation and integration and all of that and 390 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: the things that started changing when you and I were 391 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: coming along, but it didn't change for them. But you 392 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: know what, they never gave up from being good people, 393 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: good hard working people that loved each other. And so 394 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: those things that you just carry with you, you know, 395 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: and I saw it, you know, as I was growing 396 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: up and things started changing when I was coming up. 397 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: You know, I could go to a predominantly white school, 398 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: I could go and play Little League baseball. That didn't 399 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: happen with my older brother and with my parents. So 400 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: I saw things changing and I appreciate that. You know, 401 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate the past. Is it some bitterness, Yes, there's 402 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: a lot of bitterness, but I appreciate the past, and 403 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: that past has helped me to get the where I 404 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: am today. There a lot of times when I talked 405 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: to when I talked to kids today, I said, dude, 406 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: find something to do as a child, because that'll tell 407 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: you what you want to do or don't want to 408 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: do as an adult. Growing up, how I grew up, 409 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: I knew I didn't want to work on no farm 410 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: and do what my grandfather did. I knew I didn't 411 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: want to work at the factory. I didn't want to 412 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: do any of that. So all the things that I 413 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: did as a child, it let me know what I 414 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to do as an adult. I agree with 415 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. Man, Hey, I always wanted to 416 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: take care of these hands. Man. You know, I mentioned 417 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: that you grew up in Alabama and you were of 418 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: age when the Edmund Pettis, when bloody suddenly happened on 419 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: the Edmund Pettis Bridge. What happened in also the sixteenth 420 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: streak Baptist Church in Birmingham. What do you remember about 421 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: those incidents? Did your panson at that point you're talking 422 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: about you're talking about you're talking about being eight and 423 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: ten and eleven years old. But I was aware of that. 424 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: But what you did? You watch your parents and how 425 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: they handled it, okay, and what they did they just 426 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: kept us closer together, you know. And then you know 427 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: what you learned, how to bite your tongue, you know, 428 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: you learned what battles that you had to fight. You know, 429 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: you couldn't fight every battle, you know, so you learn 430 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: that from being in those situations and seeing what was 431 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: going on. But you know, it was about It was 432 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: about the family, the neighborhood and all of those things 433 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: where everybody took care of each other. It's the only 434 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: way we could make it. I'm looking at this in 435 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, you take your tea, you take your 436 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: football team to the state championship, your batbot team. You 437 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: ask you you were the hoopebby. I ain't known you 438 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: were the whop Hey. If I was, if I was 439 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: instead of being six three, if I was been six 440 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: five or six six. I've been in the NBA, you know, 441 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: but I was six foot three. You know, hey, and 442 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: I learned a long time. You can't be six foot 443 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: three trying to play in the paint. You know, it 444 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: just don't work. So you go to Obviously, at that 445 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: time the two if you're in Alabama and you're a 446 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: great football player for the more time than not, at 447 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: that point in time, you're not leaving the state. You're 448 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: going to Alabama, or you're going to Auburn. Obviously coach 449 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: Bryant is at Alabama. What made you decide to go 450 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: to Alabama? Well, you know, I was in the U 451 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: I think the fourth or fifth class of African Americas 452 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: there was allowed to go to Alabama. Okay, Wibber and 453 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: h and John Mitchell had just graduated. Yeah, I came 454 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: in as a freshman and they were only selecting a 455 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: few of us at that time. You know, at each 456 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: class that was an even number, which mean because we could, 457 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, room together, right, you know. So there was 458 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: a lot of things that people didn't realize that was 459 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: going on during that time. But I committed to go 460 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: to Alburn because you talked about that seventy two high 461 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: school football Championship where the quarterback on that team went 462 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: to Auburn, the other receiver went to Alabama. They were 463 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: a year ahead of me. So when I was coming out, 464 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, because Ship Jordan was talking about a few 465 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: Gargas was a guy named Gargas and Newsom could be another, 466 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: the next Sullivan, the Beasley, and so they were selling 467 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: me on that. So I committed to Auburn. But then 468 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: you know what, John Mitchell came up. We went to dinner, 469 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: and it was just something about Alabama that was different, 470 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, And that's why I switched from Alburn went 471 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: to Alabama. Best decision I made. Talk to us about 472 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: coach Bryant. What type of coach was he was? He hard? 473 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean you until the day everybody that refers to him, 474 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: nobody called him. Even the coaches call him Coach Bryant. 475 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: Hard but fair, okay, you know. And the lessons that 476 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: he would he taught us from the day we got there, 477 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: when we were freshmen up until we graduated from there 478 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: are the lessons that I'm living right now. A lot 479 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: of the principles that I believe in about whether it 480 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: being a gym for the Ravens or being a football 481 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: player for the Bran. Those lessons would talk to me 482 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: by coach Bryant, there are things that you live with. 483 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: He was able to take lessons that we learned from 484 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: the football field and applied him to our life away 485 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: from the football field. And any player that you talked 486 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: to that played under him will tell you the same thing, Ozzy. Obviously, 487 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: Alabama it was still still even though you you came 488 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: up and things were a little different, it was still 489 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like, okay, blacks here, wife there. 490 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: What how did it make you feel that you go 491 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: to it, you play in the stadium eighty thousand and 492 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: they're chairing for you, but those same ones might turn 493 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: around and call you the N word or say something 494 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: out of pocket to you. Well, you know what that 495 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: I talked about, being able to bite your lip, bite 496 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: your tongue, him with balance to fight. But the one 497 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: thing about it, and my mother and my father found out, 498 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: my parents on that when you went to Alabama, you 499 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: were an Alabama football player, okay, and that separated you 500 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: from everything you know, and then whether you wanted that 501 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: or not, it did. You were black, but you weren't 502 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: really black. You know, you were an Alabama football player, 503 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: you know, and I wore that Crimson White and I 504 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: say road tip. I mean, you look, look at this 505 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: Alabama Player of the Decade of the nineteen seventies. Two 506 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: times suh all sec SEP SEP six consist it's all American. 507 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: Your final season. You're coming out in the draft. Obviously 508 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: you're coming out. What do you think of what's the process? 509 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I'm going somewhere and I'm gonna be 510 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: able to take care of my parents. Well, you know, 511 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: it was interesting. I was coming out and I think 512 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: the league was split. Some teams wanted me to play 513 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: wide out and some team plumbing they were gonna move 514 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: me to tight end. Okay, you know, so I didn't know. 515 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: I didn't you know where I was going to come in. 516 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: And I could tell you the receivers who was in 517 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: that draft are the ones that went before me. Uh, 518 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: West Chandler, H James Lofton, John Jefferson, You okay, Kim McAfee. 519 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: People don't realize how good John Jefferson, how good West Chandler, 520 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: Jay Lofton in the Hall of Fame. But West Chandler 521 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: they call him the move man because the war goggles 522 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: West Chadler could run riser that that Eric Coryell system. 523 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: They were magnificent, I understand. And j J could catch 524 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: it BB in the dark too. So look, that was 525 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: a great group, so you know, and so hey, I 526 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: get drafted by the Browns. I go in at first 527 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: mini camp. I'm there a rookie mini camp. I played 528 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: wide out, okay, and and I was having some success. 529 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: You know, they taught me some things. But then after 530 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: the mini camp we stayed over for an additional week 531 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: and Rich coach tight who ended up becoming the head 532 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: coach of the Jets, so you know, he was my 533 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: tight end coach was to receive a tight end coach 534 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: at that time. And he told me Sam wanted to 535 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: see me, and so to go up the head coach 536 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: at the time, exactly right, yeah, Sam Chilian richik Leana. 537 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: So I go up and he said, you've proved in 538 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: this mini camp that you can play wide receiver in 539 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: this league and you probably be a good one. He said, 540 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: I want to move you to tight end. I think 541 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: he'll be a great tight end. And he said, ozy, 542 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna throw you to football. When you had tight end. 543 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: That's all you needed to hear. Exactly, That's all you 544 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: needed to hear. You wanted the ball. Yeah, your last 545 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: year at Alabama you didn't win the national championship. That's 546 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: like it's normally like a four gone conclusion. You go 547 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: to Alabama, you stayed four years, You're gonna win an 548 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: SEC title, and you go with a national title. That's 549 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: that's that's about like a poor gone conclusion. Well, there's 550 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: a reason why that I'm that team that Alabama's playing tomorrow. Yeah, 551 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: that I have a little bit of a hatred four 552 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: because we went into that Bowl game and we played 553 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: Ohise Steak, we beat them, and uh Texas loss and 554 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: not the Dame jumped from four to one and jumped 555 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: over us and became the national champions you know, And 556 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: so I have some bitterness about that, and hopefully Nick 557 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: Saban will use some of that again tomorrow when when 558 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Alabama plays know the Dame. Some of my bitterness. I 559 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: look at some of these great Alabama players from Derek Thomas, Barstar, 560 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: Don huss and Joe Namath, Leroy Jordan, John Hanne COORTNELI 561 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: has been at yourself, Juliyo Sharlotte Lexander. You gotta my Rushmore? 562 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: Who's only my Rushmore? Of Alabama players? I think you 563 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: have to start with Don Hudson. Okay, you put him 564 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: up there. I think you got put John Hannah. Okay, 565 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: you have to put him up there? How many do 566 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: I get to put? You ain't got the Rushmore four? 567 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: You got four heads? All right? Well then okay, well 568 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: then I got two? Right, yes, you can must Hannah. 569 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: But then you got putting news him up there. You 570 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: know what the other one would beat Dwight Stevens. People 571 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: don't realize how good the White was. He's right, he 572 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: was on. He was on the pace to be the 573 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: greatest singer that ever played before he got his knee 574 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: blown out. He was no question now, you know. But 575 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: they got this new generation coming up, but we got 576 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: to see, you know, what their longevity is going to 577 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: be because each year we keep pumping out some new ones. 578 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: But right now, right now, you know those four, it 579 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: is gonna be It's gonna be hard for somebody to 580 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: remove one of those four off of Mount Rosman. I'm 581 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: bias DT because I've never seen a guy I'm going 582 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: to understand, but that Dt the way he could bid 583 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: and bid that edge. You and I didn't worry about 584 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: that because he was going in one direction and we 585 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: were going, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't even don't ask me 586 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: to block here. If I ain't got nothing for him, 587 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: you got zilled. That's why you play him on a 588 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: pack of all that money. In the right tackle, with 589 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: all that money, I'm going to cake passes. So if 590 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: I got him covered, but I ain't trying to hear him. 591 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: One of the things when I looked at a guy 592 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: like Derek Henry and a lot of people say, well, 593 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: the running back position is is is obsolete and he's 594 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: too big, he can't get started. Are you surprised the 595 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: amount of success Dereck Henry is having. Well, you know, 596 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: I watched him for three years at Alabama, you know, 597 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: and I remember when they recruited him to come there, 598 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: you know. And you know, we have all these phobias 599 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 1: and we say what guys can and can't do, But 600 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: you know what, you have to watch a guy play, 601 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, and Derek can be you know, we all 602 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: know that at some point, if you're an athlete and 603 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: you can be in, then you're gonna be able to 604 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: play on this level and you can be in and 605 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,479 Speaker 1: he's got a mean stiff on. You know, you go 606 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: back to Earl, camera, you go back to Chuck. You 607 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: know those guys were big like that. But you know, 608 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: you just you know people. It was Earl, but and 609 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Chuck Mutch. You know, Chuck Munsey was unbelievable. It was 610 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: a big Yes, you're Tony Albert another one. So there 611 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: have been other big backs and so Dad and he 612 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: went to a good system in Tennessee where it's a 613 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: downhill system. I mean, and we've played him twice and 614 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: we still have him time to tackle him yet, you know, 615 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: once he gets going in the fourth quarter. But I 616 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: don't know if we've seen backs like Earl was stocky. 617 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: Earl was two forty, but Earl was what five level? 618 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: We've never seen a guy six four, two fifty five, 619 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: two sixty because I don't care what anybody say that, 620 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: but have stoped listing that man at two forty. He 621 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: is not too party Ozzy and you know it too well. 622 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, his ability to be in 623 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: his vision and he's got good feet. And then the 624 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: other thing is he can finish. Yeah, he gets that 625 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: in that secondary half of the times, guys are trying 626 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: to find angles, not to get there to tackling he 627 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: can finish. Yeah, they tried to wait until get past 628 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: when they can jump on his back because they don't 629 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: want to come up to the front, up to the side, 630 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: because I kept off trouble. You you mentioned the guys 631 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: that currently playing Derek Henry argably the best running back. Julio. 632 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Julio. You know something about receivers. When 633 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: would your rank Julio well as a physical specimen right 634 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, and I saw Julio play 635 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: in high school and he was a man playing against boys, 636 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, when he was a seventeen year old at 637 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: the fully High School where he went to high school then. 638 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: And but he's a phenomenal talent. And you know, I 639 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you heard the story that DeMarcus Cousins 640 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: got dumped on by Julio. You know, so that's saying 641 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: something like that. But unbelievable physical specimen, got great hands, 642 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: he can you know, you got some You got to 643 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, you got the Steve Smith's of the world. 644 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: You got some guys that can do a little of this, 645 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: a little of that. Julio can do it all. You know, 646 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: He's just one of those things. You know, he's he's 647 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: had some issues with his injuries, but when he's got 648 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: his game on, you know, he can do it all. 649 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: Unbelievable physical specimen. I want to know who the wire 650 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: receiver coach, because as big as Julio is, Julio's two 651 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: is six two and a half six three two thirty 652 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: and can run robbs like one hundred and eighty five 653 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: pounds wide receiver Cavern Riddy can run robles. Somari Cooper, 654 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, Devon, Taste Mill, all these guys can run 655 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: the route tree. Well you know what. And Alabama, one 656 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: guy recruits the next guy, you know. And uh, because 657 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: we got some young guys there right now, Davante Smith 658 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: and you know, uh, the the young kid that got her. 659 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Those guys got a wanted by the other guys. You know. 660 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: So that's what happened that you come here. This is 661 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you. You can be the 662 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: next one. Everybody wants to be that next one. If 663 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: they go there, they can be that next one. Right Uh. 664 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: Your draft, you mentioned some of the guys that were 665 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: in your draft. Also in that draft. Uh, Earl Campbell, 666 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: James Lofton, Clay Matthews junior, You, Doug Williams that you 667 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: guys with that draft would loaded you are still you know, 668 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: uh with the with the CASA City Yeah, yeah, did 669 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: Terry Miller. Yeah, it was a it was a heck 670 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: of a draft, you know. And uh, I remember I 671 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: got to know a lot of those guys from you know, 672 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: being on the different All American teams, you know, and 673 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: they were all a great bunch of guys, you know, 674 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: great people as well as good football players, you know. 675 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a it was a real good 676 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: class and I think we unpacted the league once we 677 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: all got our chance to get on the field. Your 678 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: rookie year, your name, Brown's Offensive Player of the Year 679 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: as a rookie, as a rookie. That never happened, that 680 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: had never happened before. What I mean, well, I think, 681 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, I came in with some notoriety because I 682 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: came from Alabama and people had seen me play. You know, 683 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't an unknown quantity when I got there. But 684 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: you know what happened is is, uh, they were struggling 685 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: with the quarterback position and they didn't know where they 686 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: didn't think Brian Site was going to be the guy. 687 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: But he had a breakout year that year, you know, 688 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: and you know, and so we became you know, we 689 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: started throwing the ball all over the park with myself, 690 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: Dave Logan, and Reggie Rucker. You know, we had to 691 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: crew us in the backfield, so we were throwing it 692 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: all over the park. And so I just got in 693 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: to be a part of that, and I put up 694 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: some numbers, and I think, you know what a lot 695 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: of people say, people like what's new? And I was new, 696 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's how I want that one. 697 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: I was new. You had some heartbreak the drive John Elway, 698 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: and then a few years later you lose to them 699 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: in different What do you remember standing on the sideline 700 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: watching the drive, Well, I learned a lesson because you know, 701 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: we we had gotten ahead, and and I watched John 702 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: take that team down the field. You know, my buddy 703 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: Hanford on that third and eighteen, I don't know why 704 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: he was trying to play a seven route when he 705 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: knew you advanced. Johnson was one of them, a little 706 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: ole guys. Yeah, okay, all right, what's gonna running in? 707 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: He and I still haven't gotten over that. You're what 708 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: I see in my reminded. But you know, I learned 709 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: a lesson. We got the ball back, but we had 710 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: spent out watching that drive. That drive drained everything out 711 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: of us. So when we got the ball back, we 712 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 1: wasn't prepared to go out there and go win the game. 713 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: So you I've learned, and I try to tell this 714 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: to other people that when you're not on the field, 715 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: you need to be getting prepared to go back out 716 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: there for the next series. Don't be a spectator. You know, 717 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: you can watch sports selling all of that once you 718 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: get home, but you need to be preparing yourself to go. 719 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: Because if we'd have prepared, we could have went back 720 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: out there, kicked the field goal and win the game. 721 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that because I was a 722 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: guy I never still didn't watch the game. I'm sitting there, 723 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down, I'm on the jumbo trying because there 724 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: ain't nothing I can do. All that yelling for me 725 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: as shure. Yeah, I'm yelling from but I'm sitting on 726 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: the bench because knowing that I'm gonna have to go 727 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: out there neither I'm gonna have to hold on to 728 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: the ball to make sure they don't get it again, 729 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna have to go help try to win 730 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: this game, no question to mean. Yeah, And like I said, 731 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: it was a great lesson that I learned during that 732 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: time and I've utilize said for the rest of my career. Ozzie, 733 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: A part of your job is not only drafting players, 734 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: but sometimes you have to have tough conversations with players. 735 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: Ray had uh. I came in a two thousand when 736 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: Ray was going through what he was going through, a 737 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: few years after I left, Jamal go through something and 738 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: then you had the incident in twenty fourteen. What was 739 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: some of the things that you shared with the guys 740 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: to help, especially Jamal and Ray turned not only turned 741 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: their playing careers around, but their lives around. Well, I 742 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: knew the person, you know, and I always I don't 743 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: talk to the football player. I talk to the person, okay, 744 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: you know, and I deal with and it's it's a 745 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: man to man conversation, right, you know. And you know, 746 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: I'm just Ozzi, he's Ray, he's Jamal, he's Ray, right, 747 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: you know what, We're just talking man to man, you know. 748 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: Forget about my title and what you are. Then when 749 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: you can have a relationship with people and you can 750 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: talk to people that way, then you can be able 751 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: to say some things and they'll appreciate. They may not 752 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: want to hear it, but they will appreciate it because 753 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: they can say some things back to me that I 754 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: don't want to hear it, but I know it's it's 755 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: something that I need to hear because that person is 756 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: really unleashing all of his feelings to me and I 757 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: need to hear whether I want you or not. So 758 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 1: it's always say hey, I'm gona take my hat off, 759 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: You take your hat off, and we just two men talking. 760 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: Is that the toughest part of your job when you 761 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: have to have those type conversations? Uh? No, The big 762 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: ones are not the hard one. It's the ones that 763 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: you know. It's certain guys that you know, number twenty 764 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: ones that that did all the little things. Those are 765 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: the ones you know, because you're gonna, hey, dude, you 766 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: need to say if you to turn the corner, he 767 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: ain't turned the corner yet, you know. So it's some 768 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: little guys that keep doing those little things, not showing up, 769 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, sleeping in means and all of that that. They're 770 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: unprofessional professional Those are the one that drives you because, 771 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: you know what, they're hurting themselves more so than they're 772 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: hurting me, you know. So it's it's it's all of 773 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: the little ones. The big ones. You know, you can 774 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: deal with that because they only come. You only gonna 775 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: get them once every four or five years. You don't 776 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: want them. They only come once every four or five years. 777 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: That two thousand, two thousand you put together, did you 778 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: know two thousand would be special? Did you know that 779 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: team had the capabilities of getting to and winning the 780 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl when you constructed that team? No? No, I 781 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: did not, you know, I you know, I thought we 782 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: were gonna be good on defense. I didn't know where 783 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna be at because we started off with Tony 784 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 1: Banks at quarterback and we had been brought in Trent 785 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: you know. You know, I think and now we were talking. 786 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: I was doing an interview with a guy from USA 787 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: today today, I think, even USA today, and he talked 788 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 1: about the momentum that was built in the two thousand drafts, 789 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, and the two thousand and how we all 790 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: of a sudden we got momentum. And the same thing 791 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: happened in two thousand and twelve, you get your momentum. 792 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: You know. I just think that that team grew so 793 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: close together and we had an identity. You know, we 794 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: were gonna play the way we were gonna play on defense. 795 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: We were gonna do what we do one on offense, 796 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: and we had You ended up even making the plays 797 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: that you have to make it like you did and 798 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: it gets the Raiders. You know, oh, wouldn't need it 799 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: was a couple of plays. You were that three points shooting. 800 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: I guess you would say you and so yeah, but no, 801 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: that was a special group. It was a special group. 802 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: But I think the leadership of you, Rob Wilson and 803 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: Goose took those young guys because you know, Ray and 804 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 1: Peter and all those guys and Dwayne they were very young. 805 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: But we because of you guys, and you all had 806 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: had success, had won. Y'all came in and showed those 807 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 1: guys what to do and they followed you yall's lead. Well, 808 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: you concerned that we went to Tampa that Brian says, Okay, 809 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have room check. Now we didn't have 810 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 1: room check all year. Well you concerned, like, oh my goodness, 811 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: the jokers ain't come in and ain't no telling what's 812 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I just hope they show up on Sunday, No, 813 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: because I think, yeah, again, the leadership we had, y'all 814 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: had control of that. You know, y'all had control. And 815 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: if I could keep you guys from going out there, 816 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: and I knew the rest of the guy that was, 817 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: that was the thing. You know what I think the 818 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: thing is that what I told the guys said, look, 819 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: you better look around because you think it's gonna be 820 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: like this next year. It's not. Somebody's going Coaches are 821 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: gonna leave, players are gonna lead, being free agency, being 822 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: big way. And you don't want to be the guy 823 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 1: that says, man, I went to the super Bowl. You 824 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: want to be the guy that says I won the 825 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: super Bowl. There you go, exactly right. It was like 826 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: I said that, it was the leadership of that team, 827 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: but we also had guys that were willing to follow 828 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: you as leadership. That's what wanted for us. I'll say, 829 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: how do we get more guys like yourself in the 830 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: position like you have, like you are the black general managers, 831 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: the black head coaches. Because if you look at the 832 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: makeup of the league, seventy percent of the players are 833 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: African American, but it's not represented and positions of coaching, 834 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: position of making moves to brain player. Then how do 835 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: we change that dynamic. Well, you know, I serve on 836 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: two committees. I'm on the Competition Committee, which we do 837 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: all of the major rules from the Workplace Diversity Committee, 838 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: and we have a Commissioner, Roger Goodell, who's committed to 839 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 1: change in that landscape. And what we have to do 840 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: is to fill the pipeline with qualified candidates. But to 841 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: get those qualified candidates in front of the decision makers, 842 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: those guys need to be setting in front of them 843 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: and let the decision makers have that not you know, 844 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: filter them through the up, through the ranks or whatever 845 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: it is, and they never get a chance to sit 846 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: in front of Steve and Shoddy or Jeffrey Lorrie or 847 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: Bob Kraft. We need to make sure that those guys 848 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: get a chance to set with those guys because those 849 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: guys know how to make great decisions. So that's what 850 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: we're doing. You know, we're spending a lot of time 851 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: and making shield we got the right guys. Were even 852 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: helping guys to you know, prepare themselves to interview or 853 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: prepare themselves. How to They mean, every the enemy is 854 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: preparing himself for all of this, So we're doing it. 855 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: Is it gonna change overnight? No? You know the problem is, 856 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, I have a little pamphlet right here, and 857 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: the numbers in nineteen ninety eight are just like the 858 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: numbers are now. You know, we haven't we ever made 859 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: a bit yet. But you know, I think there are 860 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: people that are committed to it, and I think we 861 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: have some young guys that are qualified that if they 862 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: get in front of that right person, that we can 863 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: start to change those numbers. Because if you hear all 864 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: excuse me, you hear this all the time that the 865 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: NFL is a copycat league. Well, hell if your copycat, 866 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: look at Baltimore. There's at the Luciers that's been in 867 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: charge for all these years, and they play. Look at 868 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: the way his teams plays, Look at the players that 869 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: he's drafted, look at what they do. They've only had 870 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: only had two coaches three coaches fits. I mean once 871 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: they got Brian Billick and now they have John Harbaugh. 872 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 1: So in the last twenty plus years they've only had 873 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: two coaches. There's something too that now if the league 874 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: is copycat like we failed is shouldn't you be copying 875 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: that part? Yeah? But yeah, yeah you would. But then 876 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: there's some other successful people too, right, they may prefer 877 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: to copy those you know talking about that's like in 878 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: some barriers that have to be broken. Shannon and h 879 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,439 Speaker 1: We're trying, well, we're trying, you know. I feel good 880 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: about what our effort is. Right. I don't like where 881 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: we are as a league when it comes to, you know, 882 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: two African American general managing four head coaches. That's not 883 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: that those are not good numbers. But I like to 884 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: have this conversation with you three years from now and 885 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: hopefully I can say we've gotten better. We've gotten better, 886 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: but it'll take us three years for it to happen. 887 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: I think are when we talked about some of your 888 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: great players. Now, obviously Jonathan played, I think Jonathan, I 889 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: think Jo played eleven or twelve years, he retired, A 890 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: raven Y Ray played seventeen years, all seventeen in Baltimore. 891 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: Ed Reid, how difficult is it a decision when you're 892 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: dealing with a historically a transcendent player, and obviously you 893 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: wore all your transcendent players to retire ravens. How difficult 894 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: was it to like, we can't go that extra step 895 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: for Ed Reid or South? How do how do you? 896 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: How do you make that decision? How do you? And 897 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: John Harbor and your staff sitting down as the guys, 898 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: we're going as far as we can go, and this 899 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: is it. Well, let's start with once a raven, always 900 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: a raven. Okay, we will start with that. But you 901 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,720 Speaker 1: know what, we you know what, as in anything in life, 902 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,879 Speaker 1: you understand that there's a limit in how far you 903 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: can go. And right, but when you fudget a little bit, yeah, 904 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: but when you have to look at the totality of 905 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do and build a football team, 906 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: then you can only go so far. And so it's 907 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: at some point and I've always said this, and I 908 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: said it to you when you went back to different 909 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: I want you to make all the money you can make, 910 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: which you told me all I can pay you. You know, 911 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: if you got a chance gonna make some more, go somewhere, 912 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: please go. But this is all I can do, right, 913 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: and I want you to do And you know what, 914 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: and we still can hug and shake hands because I 915 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: appreciate what you've done, but you know, you only have 916 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: so many years that you can make this type of money, right, 917 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: and you need to go ahead and make it if 918 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: you can. And if you can, I'm welcome you back. 919 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: You'll see a part of the family. And that was 920 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 1: the thing that I remember most because I remember having 921 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: a conversation that year. The Super Bowl was in New Orleans, 922 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: and I remember having a conversation and you asked me 923 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: what I you know, you asked me what I was 924 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: gonna do. And I ask and I asked you, I say, 925 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: what do you think I You're like, hell, boy, you 926 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: went to the Pro Bowl, you had you led the 927 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: tight ends and catches. You can still play. But let's 928 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: have a conversation in a couple of weeks, and you 929 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: know we'll see me go. And I was like, you 930 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: call me. You asked me what I want to do. 931 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: I said I wanted to play, and you say, you 932 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: said that a boy. Now this is all I can 933 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: pay you. Now we're gonna release you. Now go eight, 934 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 1: you get you get some money, You're gonna get more 935 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: than what we can offer you. But if you don't 936 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: find out what you like, come back. We can do something. 937 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that everybody loves most 938 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: about you, Obsy, because you're honest, You're upfront with him 939 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: and you tell him how it is. It ain't no well, 940 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 1: Absy said this, and then somebody else said that, whatever 941 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: you say, take that to the bank. Well, you know, 942 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: this relationship building because I know that I'm gonna see 943 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: players five years from then, ten years from nine. I 944 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: want them to be able to respect me like I 945 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: respected them, and I can want to show them the 946 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: appreciation for what they did when they were a member 947 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 1: of the Ravens. You Jimmy Smith's credit, you had said 948 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: that the off the field problem that he has, he said, 949 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: you with one of the main reasons to help him 950 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: turn his life his career around. I mean you talked 951 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,439 Speaker 1: about said sometimes you just have the conversation. You take 952 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: your head off, they take their head off. This man 953 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: to man, I'm not your boss, You're not a player. 954 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm a man to a man talking to a man 955 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: trying to help resolve an issue. But you know what, 956 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: but within that, I got to tell you some things 957 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: that you may not want to hear. Okay, well, he's 958 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: some things that you need to change, you know. And 959 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy just did an extension with us today, 960 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, for another year, you know, and he he 961 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: has he's a raiser and now you know and and so. 962 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: But you know, there's something, there's some tough conversations. Hey, 963 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: you need to change, you know, or we're gonna have 964 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,919 Speaker 1: to change. And you know, but I know you. I've 965 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: known you since you know, you were twenty one years 966 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 1: old when we you know, went through the whole recruiting 967 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: and drafting process, right, you know, I know what's deep 968 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: down inside of you. And you can't change, you know. 969 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 1: And when they change, then they become more valuable in 970 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: that locker room because now they can tell their stories 971 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: to those young kids. Also, you play for you, mister m'dell. 972 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: But he would go crazy if we heard us call 973 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: him mistim because you said, that's my grandfather, miss Modell. 974 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,480 Speaker 1: So you had to call you had to call him Art, 975 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,360 Speaker 1: Art Modale. He gave you the opportunity. At the time, 976 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 1: no one else had given a person of color that 977 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to run a franchise. Talk about your relationship with Art. 978 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,479 Speaker 1: You know, I could say it was a father's son, 979 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: it was owner Jim, it was on a player, it 980 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: was uh And then I must could say some negative 981 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: things too, because sometimes it wasn't as good as they thought. 982 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: But you know, but that was a trust factor that 983 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 1: mister Modelle had with me and that I had with him. 984 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 1: And some of those conversations were not very easy, you know, 985 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: of me saying this is what we need to do, 986 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 1: he telling me we can't do that. But you know what, 987 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,920 Speaker 1: I really respect him as a man. The man had 988 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: a great heart. It was nothing he wouldn't do for 989 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: his players. He loved it. You know. It's it's you 990 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 1: got these corporate owners now, you know, And but no, 991 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,320 Speaker 1: this was mister Model's life. Matter of fact, this office 992 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: that I mean, this was built for him, right you know. 993 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 1: And when Eric took over, he took my office and 994 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: then I moved in here, you know. And I'm proud 995 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: to be sitting in that man in that man's office 996 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 1: right now. And I think that's the thing you mentioned, 997 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: the corporate side of it, because the corporate bill bosses 998 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: are not used to being next to the workers. Well 999 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: as mister Art looked at them like, hold, those are players. 1000 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: And I remember he would always be on the golf cart. 1001 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: He'd always come back there on the golf cart and 1002 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: you'd be fit on the golf cart winner and then 1003 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: me and me, Rod and Ray would come up. He's like, 1004 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,879 Speaker 1: either you gotta get off cause they can win game 1005 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: for me. You can't do nothing for me, So get 1006 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: off and let him take the golf cart the gout. 1007 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,839 Speaker 1: His driver would take us up to the and come 1008 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,959 Speaker 1: back if you guys would get back on the cart. 1009 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: But he was an unbelievable man, do you I believe 1010 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: And I've had conversation with voters that are there belongs 1011 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He's not the 1012 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: only owner that's ever moved their team. There have been 1013 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: so many and they still get their rightful respect. And 1014 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: so for some reason he's been denied his rightful place. 1015 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 1: Which of they buff in Canton, Ohio? Shannon, you a 1016 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct. And I was on the selection 1017 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,359 Speaker 1: crew for the for the one hundred anniversary and and 1018 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: I had to do a presentation on mister model, you know, 1019 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 1: for him to be a contributor. And you know, and 1020 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: I said, now, and I said, so all of those 1021 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,800 Speaker 1: things that you said, you know, because there are other owners. 1022 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 1: Al Davis moved the Raiders twice, you know, all of them. Yeah, 1023 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: exactly and suited. So there he is. There's no doubt 1024 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: that art model belongs in Ken. There's no doubt in 1025 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: my mind, you know. And I just hope that, you know, 1026 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: if we continue to push, that he will get there 1027 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: at some point, you know, And there's that faction to continue. 1028 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: Don't want to give him his due, but when you 1029 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 1: match him up to all of the other owners that 1030 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: in the National Football League and what he did with 1031 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: TV and being the first, first and only president of 1032 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: the league, he deserves to be in Ken and at 1033 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 1: some that time, at some point, I hope he gets 1034 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: that opportunity. You have a very unique relationship with coach Belichick. 1035 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: You became director of pro personnel under him when he 1036 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: was the head coach of the Cleveland Brown. Talk about 1037 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: your relationship with coach Belichick. Well, you know, it was 1038 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: a situation where I retired in ninety and he was 1039 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: hired and we had our first meeting and he asked me, 1040 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 1: if you know, do you want to are you gonna 1041 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: play again? I go to the old coach. I think 1042 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,240 Speaker 1: it's time. He's what I could use you as a player. 1043 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: I could use your leadership in the locker room. You 1044 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 1: know what it takes. But I made that decision. But 1045 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: then I was fortunate enough to go to work for Bill. 1046 00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,840 Speaker 1: Bill does not get the credit. Well, I guess he 1047 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,360 Speaker 1: is getting in there for the football knowledge that he has, 1048 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: the work ethic, that he has, what his beliefs are. 1049 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: And I was able to sit there and learn from 1050 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: him for five years, you know, and he would push 1051 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,800 Speaker 1: me in the areas and I'd be like, Coach, I 1052 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't think, No, you got to do this 1053 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: in order for us to be a success. So I 1054 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 1: would say, so much of what I have enjoyed being 1055 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,719 Speaker 1: a general manager I learned under Bill Belichick in those 1056 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,960 Speaker 1: five years that we were in Cleveland. He gave me 1057 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: a foundation and that foundation has helped me to be 1058 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: where I am today. And A but you paid it. 1059 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: But I look at what you've done. When I was 1060 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: in Baltimore, you had James shack has director pro personnel. 1061 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: You had a John Wooden and you remember we the 1062 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: veteran players shot in first class in front of the 1063 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: play and me and shock. It was not you already known. 1064 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 1: It was that there was not no one wan sleep 1065 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,319 Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk and jo all the way back. Hey, 1066 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I still have those conversations with Shock now. 1067 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: You know, we talk you know once, you once every 1068 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And you know, he he loves those times. 1069 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, he loves to be able to tell you. 1070 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: You know, he'll tell you, hey, Bill Russell needs to 1071 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,840 Speaker 1: borrow one of your hands because he's got lem rings. 1072 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 1: Stuff like that, you know, But yeah, I love it. 1073 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,279 Speaker 1: But he was a great football man. And you know 1074 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,240 Speaker 1: I talk about what Bill taught me, but having Shock 1075 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,919 Speaker 1: and Wood and then feel Savage to work along with 1076 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: me in those first years, and they helped me to 1077 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 1: learn because I needed to lean on some other people 1078 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 1: and they had the experience and the expertise. You know, 1079 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: I love Shack. You know I love Shack and you'll 1080 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,400 Speaker 1: always shall you. It's quicker bout a. It's quicker about that, shill. 1081 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: Let meagine the recruiting process or the free agency process 1082 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand. Why did you think you needed me? 1083 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there are the other titles available. You didn't 1084 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 1: necessarily need. What was it about me? My playing style? 1085 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 1: Because I remember, I want you to tell a story 1086 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,760 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna share another story. Well, you realize 1087 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: we got being coached too that year. Yeah, correct, Ye, 1088 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 1: Well then we needed both of you guys, and what 1089 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,680 Speaker 1: we were going to be it was you being coached 1090 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: Jamal Cadre Pat Johnson, you know, so we're gonna beat 1091 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: up people and then we were gonna try to strike, 1092 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, and so we needed you. You were going 1093 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: to be a mismatch guy, you know, because and Being 1094 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: did all the dirty work. Yeah, we know that. And 1095 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 1: he enjoyed it because he was getting a chance to 1096 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: play and win him another Super Bowl. So the pieces 1097 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: just came together. But we needed someone that the quarterback 1098 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 1: could trust and they could trust you. I remember you 1099 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: had the conversation with me, uh, because I I flew 1100 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 1: back with because mister Modell was down there. As I mentioned, 1101 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: Ray was going through this situation in two thousand and 1102 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: Art was already in Atlanta. So I ended up flying 1103 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: back with him. If I'm not mistaking that Sunday, and 1104 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: I remember getting to getting to the facility and you were. 1105 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,120 Speaker 1: You were there, and he said, Ozzy, don't mess this up. 1106 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 1: I got him primed and ready for you. Now you 1107 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,600 Speaker 1: just don't mess it up. And I remember you and 1108 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: I we went to breakfast. The next we went to 1109 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: dinner that night. We had a conversation with the breakfast 1110 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: the next morning and he says, now we're gonna do this. 1111 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,640 Speaker 1: He says, I don't want you to change. He said, 1112 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't hurt everybody that told me how you are 1113 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,120 Speaker 1: in the locker room. You talked how hard you worked. 1114 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: He says, I want that exact shell and sharp that 1115 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: was in Denver for the last ten years. I want 1116 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,920 Speaker 1: that got to come to Baltimore. Well, Shannon, that's why 1117 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,800 Speaker 1: we allow you to be who you are. You absolutely 1118 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,920 Speaker 1: we're not a cookie cutter organization where you know, you 1119 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,040 Speaker 1: got to wear a tie. You got there with sport cuts. 1120 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 1: You gotta walk in here and you can't talk. No, no, no, no, 1121 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 1: we won't. Every player that be that's a part of 1122 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens to be who they are because if 1123 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,400 Speaker 1: you who you are, it'll show itself out on the 1124 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: football field, it'll show yourself in the meeting room if 1125 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: you are who you are and you're not trying to 1126 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: be someone else. Were you ever concerned because you know 1127 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 1: in that playoff run there was no love lost between 1128 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 1: us and Tennessee. Uh. Jeff Fisher and Brian Billy didn't 1129 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 1: care for each other that our teams, our players did 1130 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: not like them, and it's still that way till this day. 1131 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: And we definitely didn't like the Raiders. So where you concern, like, man, 1132 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,640 Speaker 1: this might be getting a little bit out of head. 1133 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: They might be doing too much talking. Nah nah nah, no, no, 1134 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,919 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, not not with that. Well, 1135 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,120 Speaker 1: because y'all couldn't now talk Brian. The more talk of 1136 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 1: the y'all day, the more talking Brian did, you know. 1137 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: And you know we couldn't. I couldn't keep him quiet, 1138 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: you know. But no, you know what, and uh we 1139 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: had Steve mcnah had to come and play for us 1140 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: for a year and we had a chance to talk 1141 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: about that, you know, about that rivalry that we had 1142 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,080 Speaker 1: with Eddie, George and that whole group, and then in 1143 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,640 Speaker 1: the course with the Raiders in that group. You know. 1144 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: But you know, hey, we were built, we had we 1145 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 1: were built to be able. You have to look at 1146 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that you had. McNair, Brunell, Cornel, Stewart, Jeff Blake. 1147 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying. So we had to have a defense because 1148 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: all those guys would take the ball down and go 1149 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: run with So we have to have a defense that 1150 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,400 Speaker 1: could go track those guys down, you know, keep it 1151 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: from getting an extra first down, you know, and keep 1152 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: a drive going. So that's how the defense would be. 1153 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: And offensively, you know what, Hey, with the quarterbacks that 1154 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080 Speaker 1: we had, you know, we had to play a game 1155 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: where we didn't put the game in the quarterbacks hand, right, 1156 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,120 Speaker 1: and we needed somebody that could you know what. The 1157 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: good thing about j Shannon and I could say this, 1158 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,400 Speaker 1: and I don't give you too many accolades, you are 1159 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: a quarterbacks friend because they may not have to be 1160 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: very accurate, but you would make the catch for him. 1161 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: So and we needed that. That's what well, that was 1162 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: my job that I got the name Big Platchet because 1163 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: we didn't need a whole lot Even earlier, I mean, 1164 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,960 Speaker 1: having took conversation with Brian, we knew if we could 1165 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,919 Speaker 1: get up ten and we didn't turn the ball over, 1166 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,400 Speaker 1: you couldn't beat us. You were not going to drive 1167 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: the ball, save the eighty yards on that defense and 1168 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: get a touchdown. So if we got the lead and 1169 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,400 Speaker 1: we and you didn't get a pick six or scooping's car, 1170 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 1: it was over. It was over. That was and it 1171 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: was so enjoyable, and you know what, and that style 1172 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: of football still wins. Watch how the playoffs play out. 1173 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,000 Speaker 1: You know. Now we got some you know, some athletic 1174 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,320 Speaker 1: quarterback that can do that are doing something, but they're 1175 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,520 Speaker 1: doing it with their feet and extending drives with their feet. 1176 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,200 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you still win 1177 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 1: football games. And decembon January the way we won it 1178 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand. Going into the Super Bowl. You watch 1179 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,400 Speaker 1: film of the Giants, you saw every game they played, 1180 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: you watched their opponents. Did you think they could beat us? No? 1181 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,720 Speaker 1: I was I was skeptical. I didn't like the match 1182 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: up from their standpoint, you know, but you have to 1183 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: play the game, you know, and you have to remember that, 1184 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: uh was it was it they had They got a 1185 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,439 Speaker 1: once we scored, they got a pick six two yeah 1186 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,280 Speaker 1: my career. Yeah. And uh so we got a holding 1187 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 1: call they got negated it exactly right, you know what, 1188 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: So otherwise it would have been a tie game, I 1189 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 1: think supposed to being a tie game. So you know 1190 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 1: that helped us. And then Jermaine with the kickoff, gave 1191 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,680 Speaker 1: us that you know, you gave us that extra little 1192 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 1: push and then that's it. I remember what Ray told you. Hey, 1193 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,360 Speaker 1: you know that's hey, y'all got us teen. That was 1194 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,160 Speaker 1: enough and they weren't. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean that 1195 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,360 Speaker 1: was the thing. I mean, Ray was like, hey, I 1196 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: remember and talking to Marvin. I mean that might be 1197 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 1: a great you look at this that defensive staff with 1198 01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,960 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, Jack del Rio, Rex, Ryan Uh, Mike Smith 1199 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: was on that. Yeah, getting a getting I mean we 1200 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,320 Speaker 1: go to the Raiders and we get up on and 1201 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: we scored on them because we scored seven nothing. And 1202 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 1: I remember coming to the sideline and Ray and Riley 1203 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,920 Speaker 1: were going to the super Bowl. I'll look what your 1204 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,320 Speaker 1: bean were going to super Bowl. Man, it's a first 1205 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,160 Speaker 1: quarter the Super Bowl. He's like, say they're not scoring. 1206 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, if we going to the Super Bowl and 1207 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,920 Speaker 1: didn't come there, because we might not have been glass. 1208 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 1: You didn't get caught. Man, I'm glad you didn't get comes. 1209 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 1: They could catch me mad. You know I turned your bowls. 1210 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,919 Speaker 1: You look, you've been around the game a long long time. 1211 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Where would you rank that two thousand Ravens defense. You 1212 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: we know about the seven to seventy I think, well, 1213 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine Steelers. We will know 1214 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,160 Speaker 1: about the eighty five Bears, the two thousand Ravens, the 1215 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: O two Bucks, the what is it? The fourteen, the 1216 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,600 Speaker 1: twenty twelve uh Leasion, the boom Seattle. Where would you 1217 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,240 Speaker 1: rank as far as all time great defense? Where would 1218 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: you putting that two thousand Ravens? Well, you know, if 1219 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,600 Speaker 1: you go by hall of Famers, you have to do, 1220 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 1: say the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think they got maybe five 1221 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 1: or six Hall of Famers all over them. But you know, 1222 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,680 Speaker 1: as I said, as you and I talk about, you know, 1223 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the tight end group, they all belong on the cult 1224 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,400 Speaker 1: to side. You know, you know, a color sack. There's 1225 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,280 Speaker 1: only so many houses and so many people can go 1226 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 1: on that cul de sac, you know, you know, so 1227 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 1: they all belong on there. Uh. You know I experienced 1228 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,280 Speaker 1: the seventies with the Steelers and those guys and what 1229 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: they could do with me and Joe and else Greenwood 1230 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,840 Speaker 1: and do I mean, you know, and you know blunt, 1231 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know I still got pains from that. 1232 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: But you know, but those defenses that you talked about, 1233 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: the all in the eighty five Bears, I played against 1234 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,320 Speaker 1: that defense outs, Well, I'm gonna put them all on 1235 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: that cult To side. You know what, and then if 1236 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,600 Speaker 1: I have to choose which house I on the lead up, 1237 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I'll be wrong by choosing any one 1238 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,520 Speaker 1: of 'em. The quarterbacks in today's game, you look at 1239 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,160 Speaker 1: the way they could do this kid, Patrick Mahomes and 1240 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 1: the way he can throw the ball with his rolling 1241 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: left or rolling right. Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen. Are we 1242 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 1: airing the golden age of the mobile quarterback? That because 1243 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,640 Speaker 1: when you say mobile quarterback used to be he was mobile, 1244 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,480 Speaker 1: but he couldn't throw. Or the pocket pastor could throw 1245 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 1: from the pocket, but he couldn't move. These guys have 1246 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,600 Speaker 1: elevated that. So they can throw from the pocket and 1247 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 1: they can throw on the move. They're athletes, johns Allen, 1248 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,720 Speaker 1: He's an athlete. Patrick Mahomes an athlete. We have athletes 1249 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,720 Speaker 1: playing quarterback, and an athlete can do multiple things. Okay, 1250 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 1: you know that, you know, you know, you got your 1251 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,560 Speaker 1: eight things you want. They can do eight of 'em. 1252 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: They can do seven of the eight, and so you 1253 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,480 Speaker 1: know it's we're in the era of the athlete playing quarterback. 1254 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,080 Speaker 1: We're no longer with the statues and the different things 1255 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,960 Speaker 1: that was during our time and before our time. Now 1256 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: the athlete. That athlete who started off when he was 1257 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,960 Speaker 1: six and seven and eight years old playing quarterback being 1258 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,200 Speaker 1: an athlete, is now an athlete that's playing quarterback in 1259 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Either your last Super Bowl the 1260 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,760 Speaker 1: miracle run in two twenty twelve, that was unbelievable because 1261 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 1: you go on the road. Now, you go beat the 1262 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Broncos who had just blown you out like three weeks before, 1263 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: and you loth I think the Houston Texas they take 1264 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,680 Speaker 1: you apart. Did you think, like, man, I don't know what. 1265 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Did you think you could get it together in time 1266 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: to make a run. Well, you know what? And I 1267 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,600 Speaker 1: can say this, and Ray has a big party. We 1268 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: lost in New England in the finals in the SC 1269 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,600 Speaker 1: championship game here before where we have to drop past 1270 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,080 Speaker 1: by the I think Lee Evans h we missed a field. 1271 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Go but you know what. And Ray got up in 1272 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,120 Speaker 1: that locker room and he goes, you know what, God 1273 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,960 Speaker 1: don't make now miss That's what he said. You know what, 1274 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,080 Speaker 1: I go, that's right, you know what. We wasn't supposed 1275 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,920 Speaker 1: to win. So we go to that next year and 1276 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Joe gets hot, you know, Joe gets hot in the playoffs. 1277 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,760 Speaker 1: You know and once Joe got hot, then I think 1278 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,720 Speaker 1: that it ignited everyone else, you know that, and Jacoby started, 1279 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,560 Speaker 1: everybody started to play at a level above who they 1280 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,560 Speaker 1: really were. But it was Joe that was a catalist. 1281 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: I read what you said, you admire Phiel Jackson and 1282 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,800 Speaker 1: how he's able to win but also win with like 1283 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: the you know when you when you end the game, 1284 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,920 Speaker 1: you got egos. I don't care what anybody tell you, 1285 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 1: people like, well this guy don't have no ego, bulljive. 1286 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,080 Speaker 1: The better you are, the bigger the ego that you have. 1287 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 1: How you say you you you admire Phield because he 1288 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 1: had Shaq and Kobe had Michael and Scotty. What is 1289 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,560 Speaker 1: it about him that that you admire so much? Well, 1290 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Number one, he managed some of the greatest players to 1291 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,880 Speaker 1: play in the NBA. He meant and he molded those 1292 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: guys into a team, and he made winning the most 1293 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,840 Speaker 1: important thing, right, That's why I admire him, you know. 1294 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: And he did it at two different places. He made 1295 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,000 Speaker 1: winning Okay, yeah, we got Michael and we got Scotty, 1296 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,760 Speaker 1: and you know when we got a lot of you know, 1297 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 1: he he got those guys to say the most important 1298 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,760 Speaker 1: thing is winning. You know, we need to win, so 1299 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,280 Speaker 1: that's why I and then he going does it again 1300 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,599 Speaker 1: with the Lakers. So I admire his ability to mold 1301 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 1: young men into a team and have one goal and 1302 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,760 Speaker 1: that's winning. How much more difficult is your job made 1303 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,439 Speaker 1: by social media? Because obviously when you played, there was 1304 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,000 Speaker 1: none of that. When I played, there was none of that. 1305 01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,679 Speaker 1: It wasn't about clicks, it wasn't about like, it wasn't 1306 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,960 Speaker 1: about TikTok, it wasn't about you know, doing everything for show. 1307 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 1: You went out there and you played hard and then 1308 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,320 Speaker 1: you let the chill far where you made. But it 1309 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,120 Speaker 1: seems like now everybody wants to record everything. I'm studying 1310 01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,439 Speaker 1: by plays, I'm watching film, I'm at pride, this, I 1311 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 1: wash it my car sharing. Times have changed. You have 1312 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,960 Speaker 1: to let the players understand that it's different now, you know, 1313 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,519 Speaker 1: and what you think you can do and people won't 1314 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,920 Speaker 1: see it. They got they got ways of seeing you, 1315 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,760 Speaker 1: So don't do it, you know, just don't do it. 1316 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,280 Speaker 1: And so that's what you have to be able to 1317 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 1: tell them, you know. And I don't understand Instagram and Facebook, 1318 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,559 Speaker 1: and I'm not on any of all that. I've got 1319 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,439 Speaker 1: no idea for that but I know they are. That's 1320 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,519 Speaker 1: what their life is all about. So you have to 1321 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,840 Speaker 1: we have to educate them on that, just like you 1322 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,680 Speaker 1: and I got educated about going to clubs, you know, 1323 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,559 Speaker 1: or what neighborhood. So you we spend time educating guys 1324 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,800 Speaker 1: on on social media so that they can understand how 1325 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 1: bad it can be not only for them, but for 1326 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,680 Speaker 1: our organization and for their families, you know. So we 1327 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,639 Speaker 1: have to educate them on that, and we are people 1328 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,160 Speaker 1: that are professionals that do it. Uh. I appreciate you 1329 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,479 Speaker 1: taking time by today. I know you're busy. You got 1330 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,720 Speaker 1: the big plush office now. Congratulations war You know I 1331 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,599 Speaker 1: be in touch with you know. I called from time 1332 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,240 Speaker 1: to time just to just to ask how the second 1333 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: the third best tied in the history of the game doing. Hey, Shannon, 1334 01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 1: Always welcome your calls. Man. You know, I enjoyed watching 1335 01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,240 Speaker 1: you and my man on first and my first take. 1336 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: What's your as undisputed? Undisputed? Yeah? The undersputed? You know what. 1337 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes I can sit there and listen to you, you know, 1338 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,160 Speaker 1: but then sometime I'm gonna know I haven't had enough 1339 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,320 Speaker 1: of Shannon to day. Now you don't want you know what, 1340 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 1: go ahead? You were doing what you're supposed to be doing. 1341 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,920 Speaker 1: You're talking, you know, you were doing the time. I'm 1342 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,360 Speaker 1: sure your grandmom and your granddaughter told you that, boy 1343 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,880 Speaker 1: you can talk. Yeah that's what they told me. Say, Yeah, 1344 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,320 Speaker 1: you could do that. But I need you and Kevin 1345 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Burn and Steve but shotta to getting the room because 1346 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,760 Speaker 1: I think at some point in time I might need 1347 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,760 Speaker 1: to be in the raven Ring honor. I really do. 1348 01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,240 Speaker 1: I think I think I made a big valuable cause, ABU. 1349 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:08,200 Speaker 1: I think y'all need to put it in I go. 1350 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,680 Speaker 1: I know, I think on the twenty eighth or the 1351 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,080 Speaker 1: twenty ninth of January, they're gonna have a virtual reunion 1352 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,360 Speaker 1: if that Super Bowl team, you know, so I'll see 1353 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:22,200 Speaker 1: you on that virtual thing. Then okay, so what that'd 1354 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,360 Speaker 1: be the twenty twentieth, twenty eighth or the twenty ninth 1355 01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,519 Speaker 1: of January. Yeah, it's the twentieth anniversary of the team. Yes, yeah, 1356 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,080 Speaker 1: and they want they gonna have a virtual party, you know, 1357 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 1: for for two and a half hours. Uh. We get 1358 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: an invitation, y'all, y'all standing fold out of the what 1359 01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,680 Speaker 1: y'all said. I mean, I need to get somebody need 1360 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: a jacket or something. You know what, I don't work 1361 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:46,800 Speaker 1: in that department. You know I appreciate it. Back, good 1362 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,720 Speaker 1: luck and rest of the season. And I talked to 1363 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,760 Speaker 1: you down the row, brou look a man that's good 1364 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,920 Speaker 1: with you. All my life, grinding all my life, Sack fights, 1365 01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,360 Speaker 1: hustle back, price, one slice got the thanks. That's why 1366 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,439 Speaker 1: all my life, I've been running all my life, all 1367 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,479 Speaker 1: my life, been running all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, bay, 1368 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,559 Speaker 1: the price, one of the slice, not the broiling dice. 1369 01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,840 Speaker 1: And that's why all my life, I've been running all 1370 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:13,280 Speaker 1: my life,