Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming in you shirtless, severely
Speaker 1: bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't
Speaker 1: predict anything. How's it going, guys? Yo? When we got
Speaker 1: up here, we're doing a thing called sound check, and
Speaker 1: we found out that well, Jimmy Dorn was all excited
Speaker 1: about Eddie Vetter and him jumping around up here right there.
Speaker 1: But more important than that is who Denie. Who Deny
Speaker 1: was on this stage was right about here two times.
Speaker 1: My brother always likes to talk about how who Deny died? Where?
Speaker 1: Who Denie fell? That? Do you guys know this? He
Speaker 1: felt that he could like clench his stomach and withstand
Speaker 1: any blow, and some kid was like, well, I'll try
Speaker 1: it and killed him man like hit him. He did. Well,
Speaker 1: we got what we were discussing that. We thought you
Speaker 1: were part of the conversation, but you obviously weren't listening
Speaker 1: to us. The stage manager told us that, yes, that happened,
Speaker 1: but that's not what killed him. Yeah, it did. It
Speaker 1: rupture his appendence. He tried to do a trick after
Speaker 1: that in a water tank right to get through his act.
Speaker 1: He couldn't get through his act, went back, wouldn't go
Speaker 1: to the hospital or something like that, and died. Wasn't
Speaker 1: this stage we should exactly he died and they said
Speaker 1: they cut out they cut out a beam under the
Speaker 1: stage that's still cut from his act in like nive
Speaker 1: or more theater. Oh my introductions, um the Lavin Eagle,
Speaker 1: thank you, and uh Jimmy Dorn from Belltown Pizza, he's
Speaker 1: been on the show. If if you wanna, if you
Speaker 1: want to patronize Belltown Pizza under Jimmy Dorn's command your time, No,
Speaker 1: then you have a lot a long time to patronize
Speaker 1: Jimmy Doran's pizza restaurant. Hopefully not that much longer. How
Speaker 1: many years you've been at Belltown sixteen and then there's seventeen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've been running it for owning it for
Speaker 1: fifteen and then uh yeah, hopefully winding down. So he
Speaker 1: I told him he doesn't even if he doesn't say
Speaker 1: anything tonight, that's all that I told him. He doesn't
Speaker 1: ever say anything. We just wanted to be represented by
Speaker 1: a generalist, seattleite outdoorsman. This guy he likes he likes
Speaker 1: to catch salmon, he likes to shoot at deer, he
Speaker 1: likes to root and like like every dude I know
Speaker 1: in Seattle, like every guy in Seattle. He's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like the Seahawks a long time ago. Oh
Speaker 1: I did. I like the Seahawks when they sucked, but
Speaker 1: we've been very fortunate they don't suck anymore. My favorite story,
Speaker 1: I think is when you tell him about Jimmy's turkey hunt.
Speaker 1: How like overnight he became an expert turkey hunter because
Speaker 1: you guys walked up on some turkeys one time. That's
Speaker 1: a good story. We were actually driving back from a
Speaker 1: set in the morning where we had sat out and
Speaker 1: froze our asses off and didn't see a thing. And
Speaker 1: we were two weeks into the turkey season, and I
Speaker 1: believe the guide took us to a place where everything
Speaker 1: had been shot and our guide, uh was We were
Speaker 1: just literally driving back and he's like, hey, I just
Speaker 1: want to check this little sliver Republic. And we were
Speaker 1: just taking a meandering route through this one little sliver
Speaker 1: around the Colville area, and we came around a corner
Speaker 1: and there was literally eight tom's in the road and
Speaker 1: we basically jumped out of the truck and shot him
Speaker 1: and we got a tax. He's like, what's the heart
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, it always happens that way. I didn't
Speaker 1: really call it a hunt. I called it more of
Speaker 1: a shoeing. Get it gets a good way. And then
Speaker 1: uh are very on Sam London? If you Sam? Sam
Speaker 1: writes about all Sam writes about all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: for us? What's that your people are up top? I
Speaker 1: don't know. The guys don't matter. Oh yeah, tell where
Speaker 1: you're from. Yeah, I'd like to consider myself a generalist,
Speaker 1: yadelite hunter all day carrying Montana. You quit moved? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I quitnt moved, but I did grow up on Wipy Island,
Speaker 1: live in Washington until I was twenty two. And then uh,
Speaker 1: April Bokey, who's not only not she's not even in
Speaker 1: the damn country? What what's the town? You know? You like?
Speaker 1: Tell where you're from? And then how you always apologize
Speaker 1: about it? Yeah, but I always say, don't tell anybodybody? Sorry,
Speaker 1: what don't tell anybody? Yeah? Nothing yet it's surrean, don't
Speaker 1: tell anyone. So now you even told everyone and everyone
Speaker 1: knows to. People want to say hi to So happy anniversary.
Speaker 1: We have Ross and Megan Sharp. You guys here, all right,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of like there's a bunch of gas.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people you would know from the show.
Speaker 1: Tommy Edson's here, he's been on that show. Tony Cola Ross,
Speaker 1: he's been on the show. Greg Blaskovich has been on
Speaker 1: the show. I think my friend Bowman's here. I never
Speaker 1: let him come on. Um and then down from joint
Speaker 1: bass Lewis McCord, we have Seth Wheeler, who I met earlier,
Speaker 1: So him and his teammate are here. Good dudes been
Speaker 1: in and out of war zones for a long time now.
Speaker 1: As we were just discussing and um and then I
Speaker 1: used to kind of be I was like a temporary
Speaker 1: seatlite uh And I got all nostalgic here because we
Speaker 1: rented a how's it air It's like a it's an Airbnb,
Speaker 1: but it's more like a hotel. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: uh like an apartment building department which looks down on
Speaker 1: my main most important squid jigging spot. And it got
Speaker 1: super nostalgic about that. Um Man, I didn't realize how
Speaker 1: much I was gonna miss it. I moved in August,
Speaker 1: and I got to thinking about razor clams, jigging squid
Speaker 1: and the thing I like most. And this is why
Speaker 1: I don't trust anyone in this audience. It's because when
Speaker 1: I lived here, I discovered that you guys are sitting
Speaker 1: on the continents greatest yellow perch fishery. Now, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, because I'm telling you, me and my
Speaker 1: little boy hit it hard and we never once saw
Speaker 1: a serious perch fisherman on that lake. And you know
Speaker 1: the lake I'm talking about, it's a big gass lake.
Speaker 1: And and as you catch fish, cyclones of perch come
Speaker 1: up with the one you're reeling in. It's unbelievable. And people,
Speaker 1: because you guys are steelhead and salmon snobs, I had
Speaker 1: to I had like defend myself constantly as a perch
Speaker 1: fisherman from Michigan, but a guy from Oregon with a
Speaker 1: boat so that we could get out there and fish together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our body had to drive up with a boat from
Speaker 1: Portland to take us perch fish in the time. That
Speaker 1: guy that he ate his first ever small mouth bass
Speaker 1: on Lake Washington in that bass boat, remember the spark
Speaker 1: bash We fished perch out of that um that that
Speaker 1: was Matt Elliott's Matt Elliott Special basketball. He came up
Speaker 1: to fish bass, but I've filled his little live all
Speaker 1: up the perch. Well, they haven't opened the socky season
Speaker 1: for such a damn long time that maybe people should
Speaker 1: just get into perch instead. Yeah, what is what is? Uh?
Speaker 1: When was the last time that that wasn't six? I believe,
Speaker 1: So there's no sock fishery. No, they haven't come back
Speaker 1: in the number of seas the last time. The last
Speaker 1: time it was open, my dad and I ran our
Speaker 1: boat down from Whidby through the locks through Lake Union
Speaker 1: into Lake Washington fish stock for a couple of days
Speaker 1: and then went all the way back. It's crazy when
Speaker 1: that when that, I hope it happens again someday because
Speaker 1: it's such a ship show. It's it's amazing to watch.
Speaker 1: It looks like you'd walk all the way across the
Speaker 1: lake from boat to boat, like canoes next to yachts,
Speaker 1: next to like drift boats to people are mostly trolling, okay, um,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I imagine you could jig them too,
Speaker 1: because in the Fraser we used to line up with
Speaker 1: like bouncing betties and then twenty ft leaders and then
Speaker 1: go through In philosophy right right Washington You know, people
Speaker 1: always talk about how soccer I don't don't eat, don't
Speaker 1: grab stuff that people always phlosoph the But but we
Speaker 1: troll uh a big flasher with a bare red hook
Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah, no, they'll bite the hammer that bare
Speaker 1: red octopus hook like size too. That's legal in the snow.
Speaker 1: You can do that here. Yeah, you're not snagging. They
Speaker 1: eat it. Yeah, we we weren't allowed because they would
Speaker 1: eat a bear hook, but it was illegal in BC.
Speaker 1: So we had to put like a little tuft of green.
Speaker 1: Lot of dumb laws in b C. Did you have
Speaker 1: to pinch your bar? There's a lot of dumb wall
Speaker 1: laws in Washington two to play fair, yeah, but this
Speaker 1: they got some wicked laws that she was just telling
Speaker 1: us about it. Explain about if you're if you're not
Speaker 1: a resident, you can't Yeah this is recent, but if
Speaker 1: you're a non resident of British Columbia you can't fish
Speaker 1: on weekends in the Skina system. Were on several classified rivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I fished the Bulkley, I had to pay forty
Speaker 1: bucks a day for Thursday and Friday, and then they
Speaker 1: kicked me off and we had to keep on driving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the majority of the residents actually don't support it. It's
Speaker 1: a long story and it's very political, but it was
Speaker 1: the Guide movement that pushed that, not us the guy,
Speaker 1: because if you're fishing with the guide, you can fish weekends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't guide anymore, so don't don't point at me.
Speaker 1: But it isn't there aren't there some streams that are
Speaker 1: completely closed to like yeah, actually, there there are rivers
Speaker 1: that are BC resident only. So it's not it's not
Speaker 1: just Canade. There are yeah, like the Talkla. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but even someone from Alberta can't fish the Talkla. No,
Speaker 1: you've got to be a BC resident. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: trying to pass a lot like that in the United States? No, Max,
Speaker 1: we believe in American rights. Yeah, yeah, told all these
Speaker 1: people they can't come fish the Madison. Uh, Sam, while
Speaker 1: you can you break down the thing I told you
Speaker 1: to break down that that's happening here in Washington. Which
Speaker 1: thing was that? You've got three things you gotta break down.
Speaker 1: This is the first one about how the bill that
Speaker 1: will never pass, but Washington's backpack in the example in
Speaker 1: the proposed Yeah, this is something I just read about
Speaker 1: this week that there's legislation in the Washington State legislature. Uh,
Speaker 1: that they're proposing to have what's broadly been taught about
Speaker 1: is the backpack tax and hunting fishing world, which was basically,
Speaker 1: have people who enjoy the benefits of what we as
Speaker 1: hunters and anglers pay for with our excise taxes through
Speaker 1: the Pittman Robertson Act and the Dinghill Johnson Act. Um.
Speaker 1: So what they're proposing is to have a tax on
Speaker 1: outdoor equipment over two hundred dollars, you know in in
Speaker 1: Washington state. No, no, no, no, two tents of one,
Speaker 1: but you would be exempted from said tax if you show,
Speaker 1: if you could display a hunting or fishing license. Because
Speaker 1: there I think it's a damn good idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: am completely supportive of because you've already paid ten tax
Speaker 1: on a bunch of your equipment and so now other
Speaker 1: people are gonna pony up and it goes into the
Speaker 1: wildlife fund. Yeah, it's great. It's great. And in Washington,
Speaker 1: there's a hell of a lot more people who are
Speaker 1: enjoying looking at wildlife and just that we're just enjoying
Speaker 1: the idea of wildlife. There's a hell of lot more
Speaker 1: than them than there are of us. Now, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen any polling data, but I'm gonna venture to guess
Speaker 1: that this will not be dead on arrival. That's a
Speaker 1: good idea. You know a thing I want to mention.
Speaker 1: I should have mentioned it. I should have pivoted when
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about uh, bear hooks. I just
Speaker 1: want to throw this out because I was just we
Speaker 1: just spent the weekend in Saint Martin, down in the
Speaker 1: St Martin in the um, creeping for for a birthday party.
Speaker 1: And I flew down with like hooks in a carry
Speaker 1: on bag. But down there you cannot carry on to
Speaker 1: a plane a fish hook, and up until very recently
Speaker 1: in Canada you couldn't carry on your fishing, like your line,
Speaker 1: and in Australia still you cannot carry line on because
Speaker 1: you're gonna gear itt someone. I've had to gut reels
Speaker 1: in airplanes. But but shoes, strings, neckties are fun. That's
Speaker 1: like with the hook, because either are like small hooks.
Speaker 1: I was like, the worst you could do is you
Speaker 1: could get it in someone's clothes and then they would
Speaker 1: be like agitated trying to get it out until yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd find a way to crimp the bar, and then
Speaker 1: but every already lost their leather man at t s
Speaker 1: a check and so they wouldn't be able to crimp
Speaker 1: the bar. And then you'd like take advantage of the
Speaker 1: confusion and fly the plane somewhere. But I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: the case. You shouldn't be able to bring gum on
Speaker 1: because that ship is annoying when it gets in your
Speaker 1: clothes too. So it's like I could forgot. They want
Speaker 1: to know, they want to touch on is you know
Speaker 1: how everybody knows, Like like I'm sure everyone knows the
Speaker 1: story of the guy in Colorado not too long ago
Speaker 1: that's strangled the mountain lion like that that that story
Speaker 1: and no fault of the guy that did it, like
Speaker 1: he he didn't brag it up. But that story has
Speaker 1: gotten less and less interesting. It's now it's now that
Speaker 1: it was a three month old, emaciated, twenty four pound
Speaker 1: orphan mountain lion kitten. That's like the media loved that story.
Speaker 1: If you think the lion attacked the jogger, the jogger
Speaker 1: attacked the lion instead of the other way around, like
Speaker 1: it's been reported. It was a kid. And again, the
Speaker 1: dude didn't brag it up. I'm not saying he like
Speaker 1: sold it to something that wasn't. But the story has
Speaker 1: just and has just gotten less interesting. There's less reporting
Speaker 1: on it. I haven't heard a word about it. Pretty
Speaker 1: soon it's going to be that he strangled a therapy
Speaker 1: dog rescue puppy. That's the only that's the only thing left. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, there's a guy and I had to
Speaker 1: coax this out of it. At first, this guy didn't
Speaker 1: want me to even say what stated happened in but
Speaker 1: then then he came. He warmed up to me saying
Speaker 1: what stated happening. But as you know, Washington um did
Speaker 1: a very naughty thing years ago and made it that
Speaker 1: you're you're not allowed to use hounds to pursue mountain lions,
Speaker 1: but you still held outlines. Let's check this out. Though.
Speaker 1: There's a dude in this state. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say where he is, but he he's careful to say
Speaker 1: that he did not pioneer this technique where he's been
Speaker 1: going out here. We we exchanged some emails. He's been
Speaker 1: going out and cutting mountain lion tracks in the snow.
Speaker 1: So he does the same way like a houndsman does. Wait,
Speaker 1: so the right amount of snow covers on the ground,
Speaker 1: and he goes out and cuts a track, and he
Speaker 1: just follows that track and wait till things look right,
Speaker 1: and he sits down and uses a predator call, and
Speaker 1: then he follows the track and uses the predator call.
Speaker 1: And he just got a nice big time doing that.
Speaker 1: Hundred sixty pounds. That's awesome, dude, that's awesome. That's a
Speaker 1: tricky hunting man. Yeah, man, I like that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're also working in the difficult system that you get
Speaker 1: placed in. I remember that happening when they banned hunting
Speaker 1: with hunt lions with hounds. So he, uh, life gave
Speaker 1: him lemons and he made a lemonade. Lemonade out of it.
Speaker 1: A hot tip guy roared in about this. I might
Speaker 1: be the only guy that's gonna appreciate this. I previewed
Speaker 1: it with you guys. Maybe you know what, how many
Speaker 1: people in here run a stand up freezer instead of
Speaker 1: a chest because it's a smart audience. This guy, this
Speaker 1: guy you was writing in that you know how you
Speaker 1: get all your stuff in there and then it all
Speaker 1: falls out when you open the door. He buys those
Speaker 1: spring loaded um curtain rods and crams everything in there,
Speaker 1: and it puts a springloaded curtain rod in there to
Speaker 1: hold his to hold the ship in there so don't
Speaker 1: come out prevent the meat. How does he do it?
Speaker 1: Does he hold the one arm in and then try
Speaker 1: to adjust him. Maybe he has his wife ELTI out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he does. But like some people
Speaker 1: get all excited about, like you know, the iPhone ten,
Speaker 1: I hear ship like that, and I'm like, man, that's solid,
Speaker 1: that's a thing. That's the real new tech. Quickly, I
Speaker 1: want to touch on too. A guy I was chatting
Speaker 1: with recently was talking about ice fishing, and he had
Speaker 1: the observation that ice fishing it's just a place where
Speaker 1: people go to do whatever they already normally do well
Speaker 1: even better. Whereas like guys that like to talk, they
Speaker 1: just talk better, and more guys that like to drink,
Speaker 1: they just drink more. People like to fish fish more.
Speaker 1: And that concerns me because that means that my kids
Speaker 1: are only good at getting wet and cold because they
Speaker 1: do that even more. Out there, Um northing to touch on. Honest,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this. I'm gonna I'm gonna put it
Speaker 1: to bed. After this, But if you don't mind, for
Speaker 1: like the nineteenth time breaking down your advice your marriage
Speaker 1: advice thing, because there's two final thoughts I have about it.
Speaker 1: But but I want you to tell everybody to get
Speaker 1: everybody up to speed. I just wish I remember to
Speaker 1: use it as often as you asked me to tell
Speaker 1: everybody about the advice because now, and like you, I'm
Speaker 1: like man last week, that would have been really good
Speaker 1: to bring up the one to ten uh scale game.
Speaker 1: Um so I actually stole it from Wayne Dyer, who
Speaker 1: my dad used to not really force his vast to
Speaker 1: make us listen to Wayne Dyre tapes. Mostly I would
Speaker 1: just fall asleep, but every now and then you pick
Speaker 1: up something. But he's got a thing where if you're
Speaker 1: in an argument, most arguments with spouses, um really aren't
Speaker 1: that all that important about like like who's gonna win
Speaker 1: it or who's gonna be right. It's just you really
Speaker 1: just want to get through it. So his his way
Speaker 1: to do that is to stop. And everybody assigns of
Speaker 1: value to how important they think the argument is and
Speaker 1: how important like having it go their way is on
Speaker 1: a scale one to ten, and so you just stop
Speaker 1: the argument and everybody just throws a number out there,
Speaker 1: and so if it's a really not that important, it's
Speaker 1: a two, you throw your two, and for the other
Speaker 1: person they might throw it eight or nine, and you
Speaker 1: just stop and they get to go on and and
Speaker 1: you go of their direction, right, and it's just an
Speaker 1: easy way to quit arguing and move on. And you
Speaker 1: said a lot of times it's worked for you because
Speaker 1: we've been it's been improving our marriage. Man um, I
Speaker 1: may be honest, I make you explain this every week.
Speaker 1: This is the last time you're gonna explain it. But
Speaker 1: there's two thoughts that came in because people have been
Speaker 1: writing a lot about marriage. Honest is, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you stole from someone, but it's gonna call your thing,
Speaker 1: your marriage savor thing. And one guy is in a
Speaker 1: he writes him where he's in a fight with his
Speaker 1: wife because she likes to put vinegar in the soap
Speaker 1: in the dishwasher, and he's arguing that if if dish
Speaker 1: soap needed vinegar, they would just put it in there
Speaker 1: in the factory. So what's weird about it is he's like,
Speaker 1: but the trick worked because like, I actually didn't really
Speaker 1: care once I thought about it, and I threw a
Speaker 1: three and she threw like a nine, so she wins.
Speaker 1: But then he sits down and writes me a diet
Speaker 1: tribe like this, it's blaming how stupid it is to
Speaker 1: put vinegar and soap. Another guy rolled in about he
Speaker 1: he didn't even get into what his fight was, but
Speaker 1: he gets in a big fight and he's like he
Speaker 1: wants to do Nice's trick to get out of the fight,
Speaker 1: and he throws a two and then gets in trouble
Speaker 1: for how little he cares. So it's like, yes, that
Speaker 1: would absolutely be The biggest concern is underestimating somebody else's anger.
Speaker 1: So if I think if it's a two and you
Speaker 1: think it's a nine, I might just be digging my
Speaker 1: hole even deeper. Were fighting about it at that point,
Speaker 1: So you don't care ashes, Um, what else you wanna
Speaker 1: talk about? Oh, irrational behaviors? Where this vinegar in the dishwasher? Account?
Speaker 1: Is that? No? Because I don't really know about that.
Speaker 1: That might be like a great idea. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's a hot tip vinegar is um. I've been frying
Speaker 1: a lot in the house lately because I got my
Speaker 1: bitch in New hood over my stove, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm always blasting, I'm frying, and it's it's working, but
Speaker 1: it's still not like completely diffusing all you know, grease,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it is. But what we do afterwards,
Speaker 1: or I should say, my wife Jennifer does, is um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a cup or two of some
Speaker 1: vinegar with a splash of lavender oil and to send
Speaker 1: a pan and throws that on the stovetop and just
Speaker 1: lets it simmer and kind of disappear, and that just
Speaker 1: dials the house right back in. Yeah, very nice problem.
Speaker 1: That will improve your marriage. Yeah, because I remember when
Speaker 1: we used to live in a we used to live
Speaker 1: in a small apartment and being from Michigan, I fry
Speaker 1: a lot of fish and my wife be like, how
Speaker 1: is it even the bath towels smell like fried fish.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I wouldn't want to smell like
Speaker 1: fried fish. Yeah, you get out of the show. Everything
Speaker 1: else is fair game. But but the irrational behavior there,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to be penning. This is not
Speaker 1: like a guy for this isn't like, you know, like
Speaker 1: a guy versus wife deal. But this is a guy
Speaker 1: wrote in where he was complaining about just coping with
Speaker 1: irrational things. Where he kills a deer, guts it, and
Speaker 1: then rinses the chess cavity out with I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was creek water or creek water. I didn't
Speaker 1: see the actual body of water, but rinses it out
Speaker 1: with creek water, and now she refuses to eat the
Speaker 1: deer for fear that it has been contaminated by creek water.
Speaker 1: And he wanted advice. I have no advice, but in
Speaker 1: that like, in that situation, you can only point out
Speaker 1: other activities, like like other things that seem irrational that
Speaker 1: you need to cope with. And I think that the
Speaker 1: reason this happens so much in the outdoor for suits,
Speaker 1: is because you're just dealing with so many unknowns and
Speaker 1: untested things. Right, it's just and practices to get handed
Speaker 1: down over time, and things that aren't really you can't
Speaker 1: replicate it in the laboratory, like certain orders you might
Speaker 1: encounter that you could never make. So I think that
Speaker 1: it breeds like breeds uncertainty. So do you guys feel
Speaker 1: like have you encountered in your personal lives where you've
Speaker 1: you've had to just live with someone else's irrational belief system.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. My husband doesn't hunt and I am obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, and so we are constantly we don't see
Speaker 1: eye to eye on anything with hunting, but in particular
Speaker 1: the range finder situation. So he thinks that a range
Speaker 1: finder is um unethical because it's more ethical than not
Speaker 1: know how far away it is. So it's a constant
Speaker 1: battle arrow and guest. He needs to just come with
Speaker 1: me so he can see what it's all about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I feel like I'm just constantly bashing my head
Speaker 1: against the wall with some of these theories and opinions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I should say, it's uninformed. But you know we
Speaker 1: are going to later give away We're gonna play a game.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give away a range finding binoculars. So that
Speaker 1: was a good That was a good too nice, that
Speaker 1: was a good. Well, I I segued off there. If
Speaker 1: you'll notice, Sam had like irrational. I didn't come and
Speaker 1: put with anything for this because you're not highly rational person. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you've never you're still you're still available, not
Speaker 1: not married, not married? Correct, you never had a relationship
Speaker 1: that an argument came out? Okay, So what I okay? So,
Speaker 1: so It's not that I didn't come up with anything
Speaker 1: for this. I didn't. I didn't come up with anything
Speaker 1: that I could say publicly to our audience of hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of of listeners. There's nothing is like it's
Speaker 1: a weird it's a weird gray or what we're talking
Speaker 1: about here is a weird gray area of like cute
Speaker 1: irrational where there's like crazy irrational that you just don't
Speaker 1: really want to like air to the to the public
Speaker 1: what it is. I don't have to tell who it is, uh,
Speaker 1: can I can? All? Right? Okay? Are you talking about
Speaker 1: like an ex girlfriend? Yeah? Okay, and of what like
Speaker 1: category of what category, like what life category did the
Speaker 1: irrational thing fall into? I don't even know which ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend we're talking about here, but let's start off. I
Speaker 1: feel like, let's die, let's divide the world into like
Speaker 1: rooms of the house that way. Yeah, well, yeah, what
Speaker 1: would be a area of one's existence that the irrational
Speaker 1: behavior a manifest? I had an ex girlfriend who would clean,
Speaker 1: like deep clean her apartment every week, and she would
Speaker 1: like she would go as far as pulling everything out
Speaker 1: of her freezer just to like scrape out the freezer
Speaker 1: of ice. Every week I would have hung under her.
Speaker 1: That sounds like there there's complicating circumstances. That was That
Speaker 1: was not the reason it ended. Get her phone number.
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, let's organized maybe, but but I'm like,
Speaker 1: you put stuff in the freezer to like you know,
Speaker 1: has to preserve it to hanging onto it for a while,
Speaker 1: and like I'd stacked it full of elk. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are you put alling all of that out there?
Speaker 1: It's defrosting in your fridge, in your in your sink
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, so that's good. I found that to
Speaker 1: be highly irrational. It is, Jimmy, Uh, I don't have
Speaker 1: a lot to add to this. I'm I'm fortunate. I'm
Speaker 1: fortunately hello, oh come on here. You talked me into it.
Speaker 1: You know I didn't want to. I told him I
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about this. I am fortunate enough.
Speaker 1: My significant other, who was sitting right over there, is
Speaker 1: very rational, grounded. I find very very seldom do I
Speaker 1: find it. Jim get called, Uh, you know things that'll
Speaker 1: get me in a twist. I mean, she moves things around.
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why we're always looking for things
Speaker 1: that I know right where it's at. But in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things that is a one on the
Speaker 1: argument scale as opposed to attend. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: very fortunate at no, no, ideo it's not boring. It's
Speaker 1: not boring. It's rational. As you know, it's battles. You
Speaker 1: just chose. Well I did choose, she chose. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: extremely fortunate. Let me just it's nothing. No, come on,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come up with irrational behavior by my wife.
Speaker 1: That's what you're asking me. There's like little things that
Speaker 1: she does, um that I might like that might bug me,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't call like irrational behavior. Well, I would
Speaker 1: like she did something like that where I don't thing
Speaker 1: like rents a deer out with creep water and then
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm not eating that because that water
Speaker 1: is so much different than stuff that comes out of
Speaker 1: the faucet. You know, it's rolling down rocks or something,
Speaker 1: and and it's dirty. Yeah. I'd stop it at that
Speaker 1: point and say we gotta have a conversation to see
Speaker 1: this thing, and keep going on in my mind when
Speaker 1: I'm talking about and my mom talking about it, be
Speaker 1: that one day my wife caught me letting my kids
Speaker 1: cut up pumpkins with a machete, and she feels it,
Speaker 1: and she feels that when someone's holding a machete or
Speaker 1: an axe or something that it's gonna, like inexplicably like
Speaker 1: fly out of their hand, which I thought was right.
Speaker 1: But then one day Callahan who heats holding a cleaver,
Speaker 1: and she keeps being afraid that it's gonna fly out
Speaker 1: of Callahan's hand, and so I feel like it's like
Speaker 1: when she sees a large blade, she feels that it
Speaker 1: will fly out of the user's hand. And it just
Speaker 1: strikes me as on par with this. That's all, um.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's here or not. There's a
Speaker 1: guy he's fishing up Narrows Park not far from here,
Speaker 1: on the gig Harbor side Narrows Bridge, and he writes
Speaker 1: in about how he's everyone around catching all kinds of fish.
Speaker 1: He's not catching one. This guy here has to do
Speaker 1: with a diving duck in the eagle. Okay, So he
Speaker 1: finally hooks a fish and he gets all excited for
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds until up pops a diver duck
Speaker 1: that he has hooked, and as he's reeling it in
Speaker 1: across the surface an eagle. I believe because the level
Speaker 1: of detail, and eagle comes down and grabs his diver
Speaker 1: duck off the surface. We used to have the eagles
Speaker 1: steal our ducks when we're out duck hunting. His it
Speaker 1: starts flying, singing drag out. He tightens his drag yanks
Speaker 1: it and gets his duck back. It like gets it
Speaker 1: free from the eagle is able to bring it in
Speaker 1: and he's got a superficially hooked unhooks it and lets
Speaker 1: the duck go on. The duck's fine. That's a fishing story.
Speaker 1: That's a fishing story. Another guy, that's one of those
Speaker 1: where the duck gets back to the cattails. He's like,
Speaker 1: you guys are not gonna be doing He's just like,
Speaker 1: don't even don't even ask what I've been up to.
Speaker 1: That's funny because like a duck go through his whole
Speaker 1: life and nothing really that exciting happens. Remember one time
Speaker 1: we're yeah, one time we're up in the mountains and
Speaker 1: we had hung up all of our you know, hung
Speaker 1: all of our food up in a tree. Bears wouldn't
Speaker 1: get into it. And then it's like somehow there's like
Speaker 1: a block of cheese. It didn't get hung up in
Speaker 1: the tree, and so my brother got up and something
Speaker 1: kind of like tucked the block of cheese up in
Speaker 1: a like on top of the game bag, up in
Speaker 1: a tree. And we come back later and there's a
Speaker 1: pine squirrel who's discovered the block of cheese, which that's
Speaker 1: some visional only ever eaten one thing is entire life.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he finds a block
Speaker 1: of cheese, which has to seem like really unusual. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, two large bipedal creatures come after
Speaker 1: and chase it through the woods. It's like one of
Speaker 1: the rains of pores. Man, you know, because I'm out
Speaker 1: here every day, nothing ever had before. Have you ever
Speaker 1: this is super inappropriate, and I apologize to children in
Speaker 1: the audience, but have you ever seen a duck's penis?
Speaker 1: We're just talking about this yesterday. They have excitement every day.
Speaker 1: That is. If you don't know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: you need to google this. Only three percent of bird
Speaker 1: species have one penis, yeah, because they have coecause, but
Speaker 1: the duck has Some ducks have one longer than they are.
Speaker 1: The spikes on No, that's the vagina. Well, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like a spiraled and spiked Yeah, so why why do
Speaker 1: they have the spikes? Just I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: their partner to get away. I guess reason. Alright, No, No,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a startling it's a startling thing, and
Speaker 1: it's so funny. As we talked, we discussed this at
Speaker 1: length last night. Um, it's serious business and and keeping
Speaker 1: with a Pacific Northwest theme? Are you talking to me? Uh?
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest theme? A guy, I like the way this
Speaker 1: thing starts. He writes in that his brother pregnancy checks.
Speaker 1: So prag checks cows, arm up and you feel around
Speaker 1: until it's pregnant or not. And he gets paid in salmon.
Speaker 1: But but the salmon he gets have never been gutted,
Speaker 1: if they're frozen gut in salmon. And he wants to
Speaker 1: know if this is a normal thing or not. I
Speaker 1: think that is not normal. Well, the commercial fisherman or
Speaker 1: a recreational fisherman give them to him commercial. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I'd say that's normal, not normal. When I was
Speaker 1: when I was commercial fishing, we never gutted a salmon,
Speaker 1: just frolle hole in game. Way. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know anybody pray checks cows. But yeah, I mean we,
Speaker 1: I mean every every summer we catch in the scene
Speaker 1: just gets spilled into the fish hole and freeze to
Speaker 1: death in thirty four degree refrigerating seawater. So the processor
Speaker 1: guts it. Yeah, so he just skips the processor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're doing if you're singing correctly, you
Speaker 1: never touch the fish and they freeze guts in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one bleeds them. Well, that's so. I mean, so
Speaker 1: like obviously there's a lot of types of of of
Speaker 1: commercial fishing, and like we are primarily targeting pinks um,
Speaker 1: so it's it's like en mass. And then we pull
Speaker 1: up alongside a tender usually like bearing sea crab boats.
Speaker 1: They take a big crane with a vacuum pump and
Speaker 1: swing it over, drop it in our hold and put
Speaker 1: in a return tube and just over the course of
Speaker 1: an hour just suck all those fish out of there.
Speaker 1: You have to keep the water level just right. And
Speaker 1: at the end I'd have to go down there and
Speaker 1: hit boots and to shovel and get up in the
Speaker 1: corners of the fish hold and and move all the fish.
Speaker 1: Often try to like scrape them when they get frozen
Speaker 1: up against like the refrigeration unit. It was really gross,
Speaker 1: was my least favorite part of the job. But what
Speaker 1: are you allowed to take fish home? Do you think
Speaker 1: he's being lazy or do you think he's sneaking them
Speaker 1: out without being allowed to take well, I mean I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't know, but I imagine, like in Washington,
Speaker 1: it's it's either sainting or gill netting, in which case
Speaker 1: you always deliver those fishhole to processors. And and I mean,
Speaker 1: and you're usually freezing them as soon as you as
Speaker 1: you catch them because you're just catching so many. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest day I ever had, we caught
Speaker 1: seventy three pounds seventy three thousand pounds of salmon, pink
Speaker 1: pink salmon in about two hours and the morning then
Speaker 1: we were on limits. So it was pretty it was
Speaker 1: pretty cool to be like, I just made three grand.
Speaker 1: It's not even ten am yet. Yeah, that's good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this dude question, though, is that what's that? Do
Speaker 1: you know what the common like end product is for
Speaker 1: those pinks that you I think it's dog food and
Speaker 1: and and and yeah, and a lot of like supplements.
Speaker 1: Um Can salmon is a good a good part of it,
Speaker 1: the high quality stuff. But I mean they also they
Speaker 1: also filet some pink side. Man. I wish I know, knew,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of a lot of friends in
Speaker 1: that industry. But um but yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: not like it's not like showing up on fancy restaurants
Speaker 1: for for pinks anyway. And and where kings typically get kings,
Speaker 1: hippli get caught in um trolling you know situations or
Speaker 1: or gill netting where they're you know, treated with a
Speaker 1: different level of care. And and there's there's also there's
Speaker 1: a big growth in in the kind of the it's
Speaker 1: not farm to table, but it's like, you know, boat
Speaker 1: to table. Actually just had a guy hit man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I can know a couple of those guys.
Speaker 1: And and this guy's just hit me up from Sitka
Speaker 1: who it's all about, like, no, your fisherman and and
Speaker 1: he like they do straight like from from the boat.
Speaker 1: And so those guys are like catching their fish, processing
Speaker 1: their fish, flash freezing, mailing them off. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a giant pay in the ask to me. But it's
Speaker 1: it's cool to see that kind of thing happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's word choice because I just realized he describes
Speaker 1: these fishes whole as hell doesn't matter. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: I know you bleed him and that makes the difference
Speaker 1: on the quality of meat, but doesn't matter, like if
Speaker 1: you left the guts in and freeze it and then
Speaker 1: defrost and gut it home to He's trying to figure
Speaker 1: out because the dude game all these fish. I think,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't think the guts would be polluting the
Speaker 1: meat if it's all frozen. I think it's frozen quick.
Speaker 1: I've got to for the whole lake trout frozen my
Speaker 1: freezer right now. He rolls down because they throw they're
Speaker 1: they're frozen the second we pulled them out of the
Speaker 1: lake and uh. And then I got home and I
Speaker 1: had to run out here, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: wanna I don't want to defrost these things so I
Speaker 1: could gut them so I can freeze them again, because
Speaker 1: that's gonna be even worse on the flesh to freeze
Speaker 1: and thaw and freeze and thaw. So I did. I
Speaker 1: did think about this for quite a while, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and I'm just gonna stick them
Speaker 1: in the fraser. I don't have time. I've left guts
Speaker 1: in grouse and aged them for seven days and then
Speaker 1: ate them. Yeah, that's a big thing in Europe, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried both. I tried with the gutting and then
Speaker 1: as long as it's not a gut shot, I've left
Speaker 1: the guts in and I've aged both for seven days.
Speaker 1: I mean, it tastes cleaner if the guts have been out,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't bad, and aged for like made all
Speaker 1: the difference in the world. It was like cutting sushi.
Speaker 1: When I was cutting them up, I would have a
Speaker 1: harder time with that than fish, because well, for sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: grouse are known for having especially weird smelling guts. I
Speaker 1: want to get into I want to get into sam
Speaker 1: and numbers because that's like a real thing that like
Speaker 1: dominates the conversation around here, and it's confusing as hell,
Speaker 1: and I'll kind of like lay out, like I pictured
Speaker 1: like someone from Mars or some outer space planet with
Speaker 1: just a superficial understanding of the world was listening to
Speaker 1: the conversation. They would be confused because you have where
Speaker 1: king salmon numbers are really low, and so people keep
Speaker 1: proposing different things that we might do, different things we
Speaker 1: might try to kill off or reduce in order to
Speaker 1: up salmon numbers. So it's like, oh, we're gonna kill seagulls,
Speaker 1: sea lions, harbor seals, what else, sawfish, cormorants. But also
Speaker 1: like name brand, name brand sea, many big list of things,
Speaker 1: name brand sea mammals that you reduced numbers to get
Speaker 1: salmon numbers up. But then there's another name brand sea mammal,
Speaker 1: killer whale or orca, which is the whole other conversation
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tonight, I'm going with killer whale le So
Speaker 1: killer whales are suffering from the lack of fish and
Speaker 1: no one's proposing and they eat nothing but kings, and
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, no one has proposed shooting them things
Speaker 1: not since everything else is on the list. Meanwhile, and
Speaker 1: people be like, okay, another problem with kings. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a subject matter expert here, this is my homs race.
Speaker 1: Like another problem that kings have is they're getting too
Speaker 1: much competition from hatchery fish in the river, so that's
Speaker 1: that's a concerns and in the oceans. But because the
Speaker 1: one marine mammal is not getting enough fish, they're now
Speaker 1: talking about putting more hatchery fish in to make sure
Speaker 1: that that greene mammal the orca gets enough and then
Speaker 1: we'll get rid of the other ones. Like like, is
Speaker 1: it is it as confusing as it seems it is,
Speaker 1: And it's like right as w DFW is kind of
Speaker 1: finally coming around the idea that that their intensive, crazy
Speaker 1: hatchery program has not necessarily been the greatest boon to
Speaker 1: wild salmon and steelhead, especially steelhead. Now the governor's coming
Speaker 1: in and telling them to start pumping out more hatchery
Speaker 1: shin up for the whales, for the whales, So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's as complicated as all hell. I'm
Speaker 1: not even from Mars, and I don't even understand. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a band aid, not a long term solution. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's like it seems, I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is kind of one of the areas where the conversation
Speaker 1: about SAM gets interesting in Sam and Steelhead is because
Speaker 1: you have like, like it's no secret what the main
Speaker 1: problem is, the main problem being like like a system
Speaker 1: of dams that blocks fish migration, Like it used to
Speaker 1: take I think, you know, a fishies to be able
Speaker 1: to go from its natal stream out to the ocean
Speaker 1: in three days, and now it takes twenty some days
Speaker 1: in certain river systems, and so it's exposed to so
Speaker 1: much more predation. But they're doing badly in rivers that
Speaker 1: don't have damns too. That's a good point. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's bad timber practices, it's over harvest, it's
Speaker 1: changing ocean condition. There's a there's a lot of damns
Speaker 1: being definitely a primary drop. But I find that like, like,
Speaker 1: like some people like Callahan's this way has argued this
Speaker 1: where some people are like if you have this system,
Speaker 1: like this large systemic problem, being like you have this
Speaker 1: large problem with dams, and they don't want to entertain
Speaker 1: the micro fixes. They're like, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: I don't want to condone micro fixes because I want
Speaker 1: to just focus on what the main problem is. To
Speaker 1: be like, if you lost your job and had no
Speaker 1: money and then you found a dollar on the street,
Speaker 1: you'd pick it up, but but Colt would be like,
Speaker 1: don't pick it up because you don't have a job.
Speaker 1: So it's like I feel like I feel the frustration
Speaker 1: of people who are wanting to like we we can't
Speaker 1: control that, Like that's like a huge long term problem,
Speaker 1: but there are small adjustments we can make and it's like,
Speaker 1: it makes people extremely upset that you that you entertain
Speaker 1: the idea of reducing harbor seal populations, reducing sea lion
Speaker 1: populations in order to try to keep this thing hobbling
Speaker 1: along while we get up the political and public will
Speaker 1: to like actually get around to addressing the main problem. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And if you look at it historically, all these things
Speaker 1: are really closely tied together. In the territorial legislature of Washington,
Speaker 1: it was illegal to block an Adremus fish passage that
Speaker 1: was passed in the late eighteen hundreds UM when they
Speaker 1: built the dams on the l law that were recently removed.
Speaker 1: They built the lowest dam, which is some three miles
Speaker 1: from the from tidewater, with no with no fish ladder,
Speaker 1: no nothing, just cut it off one of the greatest
Speaker 1: chinook runs ever known. But they made a deal that
Speaker 1: was later codified in law that they're like, oh, we'll
Speaker 1: just make a hatchery and solve the problem. We'll just
Speaker 1: pump out enough fish to make up for the ones
Speaker 1: we lost. And then that that was taken forth into
Speaker 1: the rest of the Pacific Northwest that wherever we hose
Speaker 1: a salmon run we just we we do Mitigation is
Speaker 1: is I mean, it's still a word that's just thrown
Speaker 1: around left and right. But that's where it all derives from.
Speaker 1: Wherever we wherever we ruin a salmon run, We're just
Speaker 1: gonna put in a hatchery and solve the problem. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be all better. What were you guys saying, like, what,
Speaker 1: what's the typical percentage of with steel head? What's the
Speaker 1: percentage of steel head that are wild born and hatchery born? Man?
Speaker 1: I was pulling number out of my ask before, but
Speaker 1: it's probably less than a quarter anymore that are that
Speaker 1: are like native. Like, of all the steel head that
Speaker 1: returned to freshwater every year in Washington, I bet less
Speaker 1: than a quarter have an out of post fun here,
Speaker 1: not in the skin. So the Skina region has the
Speaker 1: healthiest population of salmon in the world. The Club the
Speaker 1: Columbia used to have the best steelhead fishery, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have any of that in the Skina. So
Speaker 1: were you fished the steelhead or wild? Now? Do you?
Speaker 1: Because you kind of let you like caught your teeth
Speaker 1: as a steelhead guide and built your career off being
Speaker 1: a steelhead guide. If you had if you had a
Speaker 1: picture of crystal ball, how old your daughter? No? Not
Speaker 1: not sixteen months? Sixteen months? If you if you had
Speaker 1: to make a guess, like God's got a gun to
Speaker 1: your head and you got to make a guess that
Speaker 1: when she's your age, and don't don't play like what
Speaker 1: you want to have. I think about this every day
Speaker 1: hitting age. Will she be fishing steelhead? And you have
Speaker 1: to get it right or else you die like that
Speaker 1: kind of answer. So I'm thirty seven, So in thirty
Speaker 1: six years in the skina, I think they'll be here.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll be here in the numbers that
Speaker 1: they are now. I think that, I mean, they're the most,
Speaker 1: the most resilient. I think that one of the most
Speaker 1: resilient and will ever fish out there. But they'll definitely
Speaker 1: be here unless less numbers. It's really scary. Have you
Speaker 1: have you watched the decline in your own yes? And
Speaker 1: the shifting baseline is really scary. And these people who
Speaker 1: were fishing, you know, are they've been fishing for ten years,
Speaker 1: say and they're like, oh, well, you know, in my
Speaker 1: ten years, it hasn't been a major difference. But they're
Speaker 1: just they're not They don't know what the baseline was
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. They and and unfortunately a lot
Speaker 1: of people in my age group, they don't want to
Speaker 1: learn the history, you know, or they don't want to
Speaker 1: learn about what happened before them. So yeah, pretty terrified. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We had a guy at one time describe the shift,
Speaker 1: the shifting baseline thing. He called it shifting baseline syndrome.
Speaker 1: Where but but if you don't have that, you would
Speaker 1: lose your mind. Yeah, well, you know what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: shifting baseline, like the your perception of the like what
Speaker 1: our perception of like normal constantly you have too else,
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't be able to continue being alive, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's going to be like in
Speaker 1: in thirties six years honestly, Steve, I spoke to a
Speaker 1: lot of the government biologists and they they've come over.
Speaker 1: I don't live in Surrey anymore. You guys will live
Speaker 1: on the Bulkley up in the skin of country and
Speaker 1: the biologists will come to my place. And we've had,
Speaker 1: you know, off the record chats about the fact that
Speaker 1: these fish are not going to be here unless we
Speaker 1: seriously put our foot down. But we have to make
Speaker 1: some major changes, and I don't think that the sports
Speaker 1: community or the Angland community is ready to make the changes.
Speaker 1: What are the changes they don't want to make? Uh,
Speaker 1: fishing for them? I mean they like the fish for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you quit? No? I mean yes and no, Like
Speaker 1: I don't look. I don't want to look like I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on a throne and be like, oh, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: stopped fishing for them. Because I think everyone makes this
Speaker 1: decision in their own time. I personally have cut back immensely.
Speaker 1: I probably catch to steelhead a week maybe, and if
Speaker 1: I catch us steelhead a day, I go home. But
Speaker 1: I also understand I live on the river. I'm out
Speaker 1: there every single day. I don't I don't expect people
Speaker 1: to make the same decisions I do. So Um, I'm
Speaker 1: really close to stopping, especially because more that I that
Speaker 1: I hunt, and the more that I spend outdoors, you know,
Speaker 1: killing animals, the more I start to question my own
Speaker 1: reasoning for catch and release. And when you start to
Speaker 1: question why you catch and release for me anyway, Again,
Speaker 1: everyone makes this decision at their own time in their life.
Speaker 1: But for me, it was, Um, I catch and release
Speaker 1: because I'm selfish, And I'm okay being selfish to a degree.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a human, I'm an animal. I don't mind
Speaker 1: being a little selfish, But um, I have to choose
Speaker 1: the number on the scale and ask myself, you know
Speaker 1: how important important it is to me? And when I
Speaker 1: start feeling like I'm battling or like I'm compromising my integrity, UM,
Speaker 1: I start to just take a step back. And That's
Speaker 1: where I'm at now. So, UM, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: really selfish out there these days. You know what I
Speaker 1: had Their day, We're fishing and we were messing around
Speaker 1: with some tarp and and knowing that you're not gonna
Speaker 1: do anything to it if you catch it. When it
Speaker 1: came off, I couldn't make myself care. Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: weren't going to do anything with it anyway, and you
Speaker 1: don't want a photo. Was like, oh that's cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: see you later. But when I'm out there, like, damn
Speaker 1: cool to hook into it. Yeah, But when you're trying
Speaker 1: to take the accomplishment, and then when it came off,
Speaker 1: there was no disappointment. Have you landed a turpan? Though
Speaker 1: I've hooked three miles four in my life, I've hooked one.
Speaker 1: I really want to hold one. The first two I hooked,
Speaker 1: I didn't even. They came out of the water and
Speaker 1: I just I didn't even. I wasn't even fishing at
Speaker 1: that point. I was just shocked. Um. And this last one,
Speaker 1: I held it together for a couple of minutes. It's
Speaker 1: it's impressive you've caught those probably yeah, uh, huntresses, it's
Speaker 1: just hit me, hit me. So you want like you
Speaker 1: reached out April, because you're you're gonna write, you want
Speaker 1: to write a piece about like our use, like what
Speaker 1: is the hunters of grandma unts? Well there are actually
Speaker 1: well hang on, the grandmas don't have I'm right the
Speaker 1: midle of writing this article, so I'm still accumulating my data. Um,
Speaker 1: but the horror the huntress has actually been around for
Speaker 1: a long like since eighteen hundreds, because by definition, a
Speaker 1: huntress is simply a female who hunts. But the grandma
Speaker 1: doesn't have social media, and social media is bastardizing that ship,
Speaker 1: like it's really bad. Well, I don't have enough because
Speaker 1: like fisherman is more problematic. Well, hang on, hang on,
Speaker 1: hang on, my art I don't have an argument because
Speaker 1: we're I don't know, I know you don't have an argument,
Speaker 1: but I'm dying to get to the part of just
Speaker 1: go ahead. Well, you're putting me on the spot because
Speaker 1: I haven't actually written the article yet, so I haven't
Speaker 1: come up with a conclusion write it. You can't write
Speaker 1: until you think it, and I think about it all
Speaker 1: the time. I am I am by definition a huntress,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, But I don't call myself a huntress
Speaker 1: because I don't identify with the modern day use of
Speaker 1: the word today because temptress, stress, like all these stresses
Speaker 1: are very sexualized and mistress and look a mistress. I
Speaker 1: don't know it, just it just sounds sexy. And I
Speaker 1: think there was like a comic book series with like
Speaker 1: Huntress or something like that. And again I haven't I'm
Speaker 1: right in the middle. He just threw me under the bus,
Speaker 1: by the way. Um, but yeah, I just I I
Speaker 1: think that hunter is so gender neutral. And we're talking
Speaker 1: about this earlier. We're in this fox up excuse me
Speaker 1: age where there's all of this, Like I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to talk politically correct anymore, because everybody is
Speaker 1: affected by something. No I'm talking now, but like I
Speaker 1: just mean, I mean in in in general. In general,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to refer to different people about what
Speaker 1: they are because you don't even know what people's gender is.
Speaker 1: So my point is is in today's age, in today's age,
Speaker 1: we do we have this word that is so beautifully simple, right,
Speaker 1: like you hunt and you are a hunter. It's not
Speaker 1: a hunterman or a hunter hunter woman. You are a hunter.
Speaker 1: Like we have the most perfect package of a word,
Speaker 1: and it's still not good enough. Like I just give up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when even when when one's working, it's no good.
Speaker 1: The reason I threw you under the you know, the
Speaker 1: reason I brought u up is someone actually rolled in.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but someone rolled in,
Speaker 1: like here's a question for April that they wanted to
Speaker 1: be answered tonight. But it's not this one, but one
Speaker 1: that made me think of this one because this person
Speaker 1: was recently at what do they put it, They're at
Speaker 1: an orientation event at a college in eastern Washington, and
Speaker 1: it was like the person addressing the crowd, what what
Speaker 1: was trying to it seemed to be I'm paraphrasing. It
Speaker 1: seemed to be that their tendency was to say you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys. But they had switched to you all, and
Speaker 1: so the person was one of like, like, does do
Speaker 1: you the person is asking you, like, do you take
Speaker 1: offense by something me saying you guys to you because
Speaker 1: you all is y'all is not politically correct. I mean
Speaker 1: not only they came up with y'all as like a
Speaker 1: gender neutral turn. No, they didn't. Uman. I know it's
Speaker 1: not offensive, but I don't know. I honestly can't relate
Speaker 1: to a lot of the people who are offended by
Speaker 1: that stuff today. I just don't. I don't understand the
Speaker 1: thought process. Have you guys read the subtle art of
Speaker 1: not giving a fuck? No? Read it? It's awesome? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you? Um does fisherman? Does fishermen bother you? I know?
Speaker 1: But I get it. I do get it. Like I
Speaker 1: understand if someone wants to call me an angler and
Speaker 1: that makes everyone more comfortable, that's cool. But again, angler,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be like an Anglish English anxtress.
Speaker 1: What is it like a fish stress? If you call
Speaker 1: me a fishtress? Siss. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: asked all these women. I reached out to twenty different
Speaker 1: women from from spear fishing, hunting, and fishing all age groups.
Speaker 1: I interviewed the woman who fishing bikinis and you know,
Speaker 1: the woman who would never who don't even own a bikini,
Speaker 1: and I asked them, you know, what is it? I
Speaker 1: asked on what the fish version is? And there is
Speaker 1: no fish version of a huntress. I mean some angler
Speaker 1: angling women will call themselves a huntress. But um. And
Speaker 1: then actually, I interviewed as a sixty year old female
Speaker 1: angler and she says she doesn't like being identified as
Speaker 1: a fisherman or a an angler because she said it
Speaker 1: made her feel like she didn't have a vagina, so
Speaker 1: she likes to be called I know, but I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't really want to be a fisher woman. And
Speaker 1: as a sixth year old woman who is my senior,
Speaker 1: like I'm, I'm I respect her opinion. Um, but no
Speaker 1: fisherman doesn't offend me or or any of my girlfriends
Speaker 1: who are are really into it. That's why I like
Speaker 1: if i'm when I'm depending on the audience, like I'll
Speaker 1: be writing and I'll catch myself to be inclusive. I'll
Speaker 1: catch myself using hunters and anglers, which is still really clear,
Speaker 1: Like we're not pioneering new words. We're using words that
Speaker 1: have an accepted meaning, and it's not clunky. It's not
Speaker 1: like clunky to say hunters and anglers. And I was
Speaker 1: doing a story not long ago for Outside magazine and
Speaker 1: they were saying, is there what's a way to say
Speaker 1: sportsmen and people have it's it's clunky, it's sportsmen and women,
Speaker 1: which I get the sentiment, but it just like if
Speaker 1: it doesn't reflect a natural way of talking. Sportsmen sounds
Speaker 1: like sportsmen to me. I don't know, but it's hard
Speaker 1: because like human human, human whatever, we're not going to
Speaker 1: introduce it as like huge humankind mankind. I don't know
Speaker 1: how they I don't know how they fix that sports
Speaker 1: people sports No, it's I think that the accepted one
Speaker 1: now is sportsmen and women. But a problem and like
Speaker 1: everyone's favorite topic is the bitch about PC stuff, which
Speaker 1: like I understand, but like a problem with it. I
Speaker 1: think a problem that's coming into culturally with word choice
Speaker 1: is people are now measuring people. People are not measuring
Speaker 1: one someone's moralities, some world someone's worldview only on the
Speaker 1: only on the words that like on the his the
Speaker 1: words of the use of historic words that come out
Speaker 1: of their mouth, and not anything about like what the
Speaker 1: the overall content that, like what they're trying to say
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, that the some package of what you're saying
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's just they're like listening for the wrong
Speaker 1: little thing that comes out of your mouth to condemn
Speaker 1: that rather than like the gist of what you're getting at.
Speaker 1: And I think that like that's the thing that winds
Speaker 1: up making me uneasy about this. But I do do now.
Speaker 1: I just say hunters and anglers because I like, in
Speaker 1: my heart there's like an inclusivity. But but then at
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't like things that that sound weird.
Speaker 1: Whoever said it had to be gender specific? I mean
Speaker 1: that was the when I call somebody a fisherman, that
Speaker 1: means that guy's a fisherman, that guy knows what timing
Speaker 1: is that, or that woman is a hunter, like she
Speaker 1: knows what she's new, and it's like it's a term
Speaker 1: of like it's sugar. I lost my train of thought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you, man, And to me, it's like unnecessarily divisive.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like I'm stoked that that
Speaker 1: hunters are female. Hunters are the largest like grow like
Speaker 1: there's more the more growth in that than any other
Speaker 1: demographic within hunting in the last recent decades. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to see that. But but but
Speaker 1: why why why do you want to be doing something different,
Speaker 1: Like why do you want to go out like huntressing.
Speaker 1: Why can't you just come hunting with the rest of us.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's just it's it feels like it's drawing
Speaker 1: lines when they're like trying to be kind of like
Speaker 1: if women are trying to get in, trying to become
Speaker 1: of the part of the community, like join the community,
Speaker 1: like be part of be part of the club, don't
Speaker 1: like have your own thing. It's but the battle you
Speaker 1: get is the woman and then we'll drop it. But
Speaker 1: the battle you get is the woman. I'm hearing from
Speaker 1: who enjoy the word huntress are badass? Like or again
Speaker 1: you never know that they call themselves huntresses. But they've
Speaker 1: identified with that word for forty years because the word
Speaker 1: has been around for a lot a long time. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to strip that from them. I get it.
Speaker 1: And I know badass female hunters who who love that word.
Speaker 1: I know this, this girl who hunts with a long
Speaker 1: bow and kills deer and Elk every year, and and
Speaker 1: I heard her read a poem about how her like
Speaker 1: her huntress heart and stuff. But every time she says that,
Speaker 1: I just cringe a little bit. I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: don't really that word, like I could be convinced otherwise.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to read the story. I'm excited to write
Speaker 1: the story. Got to write it before you read it.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, now you've got a lot of material,
Speaker 1: already had a lot of material before you threw me
Speaker 1: under the bus. I want to get into this thing
Speaker 1: that that's come up in New York. It's the Assembly Bill.
Speaker 1: It's got an exciting name, a O seven to two,
Speaker 1: which does this, it's interesting, provides that it shall be unlawful.
Speaker 1: So this is in the state of New York, far
Speaker 1: away but large, you know, continent and everything. Um, it
Speaker 1: should be unlawful for any person to organize, sponsor, conduct, promote,
Speaker 1: or participate in the contest, competition, tournament, or derby where
Speaker 1: the objective of such contest or competition is to take wildlife.
Speaker 1: So it would be illegal to have a salmon, illegal
Speaker 1: to have a salmon derby, illegal to have screl hunting
Speaker 1: about all these people competing for follows on Instagram? Is
Speaker 1: that technically illegal? Yeah? The pointing to kill social media right, Well,
Speaker 1: what I brought up is my dad and I always
Speaker 1: used to play a game first biggest, most dollar a
Speaker 1: category and I love that when I was a kid, like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe work harder when we're out fishing, and
Speaker 1: would charitable fundraisers three bucks between a dad and his son. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like all the charitable fundraisers that are run as Derby's.
Speaker 1: But I know what they're gunning for. They just it's
Speaker 1: a it's a sloppily written law. What they're gunning for
Speaker 1: is like you know, the current like the enemy do
Speaker 1: your which is like kyote un kyote contests, and then
Speaker 1: there I think also like shark tournaments. Well there there
Speaker 1: there's legislation in New Mexico right now that's more narrowly
Speaker 1: tailored than that that's specifically going after kyote hunts, I believe.
Speaker 1: But in New York they're just like all of it.
Speaker 1: Two dudes, I bet you I catch a bigger perch. No,
Speaker 1: you don't know. It's well that that whole that whole
Speaker 1: squirrel hunt debacle in New Jersey. Did you do you
Speaker 1: see this at least that spend your new heart. Yea,
Speaker 1: you guys already talked about that. Yeah, that was wild,
Speaker 1: like the just like seeing the news coverage of that
Speaker 1: and seeing all the signs that people had, like lining
Speaker 1: the road because there's some times as many protesters as
Speaker 1: there were people doing it was like a kid's family thing,
Speaker 1: like get everybody out hunting and stuff. And there was
Speaker 1: some vicious shit about about hunters that I got hard
Speaker 1: hard even to repeat when years ago, Like the first
Speaker 1: the first assignment I did for for Outside and I
Speaker 1: begin writing for them years ago, is to cover a
Speaker 1: shark tournament in New York called Mako Madness, And I
Speaker 1: interviewed a proponent of Mako Madness, and he was just
Speaker 1: saying that, sorry, an opponent, he didn't didn't like the tournaments.
Speaker 1: And his take was I don't like applying a carnival
Speaker 1: atmosphere to like the killing of game, which was his perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't a fisherman, right, he was a fisherman,
Speaker 1: he was. That's interesting. Yeah, so he actually served me
Speaker 1: some mako shark okay, okay, Well that's interesting then, because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a there's a deeper conversation we
Speaker 1: had there because I've always been kind of uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: like bass Master Classic and that kind of that thing,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because I think fishing is is
Speaker 1: is it's kind of a spiritual activity, at least to me.
Speaker 1: It's it's like where you go to find peace and
Speaker 1: calm and quiet and really, you know, work on your
Speaker 1: thoughts and your life philosophy and deal with things and
Speaker 1: be with friends and commune with nature. And and to
Speaker 1: see people putting a two hundred horse outboard on the
Speaker 1: back of a sixteen foot boat that's covered in glitter
Speaker 1: and it I mean, I mean when I was a
Speaker 1: kid and when I was eight, if you'd ask me
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with your life? I would
Speaker 1: have said professional bass fishermen. But they're not hurting the resource.
Speaker 1: They're not hurting the resource, and it's all catch or
Speaker 1: at least I mean the way they hold the bass
Speaker 1: by the lip and crank their neck like there's some science,
Speaker 1: new science out that's saying that's not the best handling practices.
Speaker 1: That's not my that's not my issue. But the carnival thing,
Speaker 1: like I mean that that resonates on some level that
Speaker 1: that to to put like an unnecessary just competitive car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's just so, it's just it's also seems so
Speaker 1: loud and loudness to it. But I still opposed, like
Speaker 1: I opposed the limits. I opposed the drictions because I'm
Speaker 1: always looking at when when I think about something like this,
Speaker 1: I'm aways looking at like what is the end game?
Speaker 1: What is the end game of the person pushing for it?
Speaker 1: And I think that I think I don't agree with
Speaker 1: their end game, and so no more fun. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I I disagree with the unintended consequences, perhaps more because
Speaker 1: I mean, are they gonna ban like the little cute
Speaker 1: trout Derby's they do in Central Park? Yes, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like who's that hurting? You're not even you can't promote it,
Speaker 1: so you can't even staple the sign to a tree
Speaker 1: anymore about it. Um, here's a question for someone, Dan Curtis,
Speaker 1: he's here tonight, his wife Grace. They got a question.
Speaker 1: It was a long question. I'm trimming it down to
Speaker 1: a line. Uh, what is the level of etiquette that
Speaker 1: a hunter should expect upon gifting prime time meet to someone?
Speaker 1: Prime time like high quality? Mine is high? Like I
Speaker 1: expect like like when I give something. If I give
Speaker 1: someone the gift of fisher fishing game, I have very
Speaker 1: like for them to please me. I need to see
Speaker 1: a high level of care and then you see prompt use.
Speaker 1: And that was one of the nicest things when I
Speaker 1: was living here and Magnolia. I had my neighbor on
Speaker 1: that side, my neighbor on that side, and my neighbor
Speaker 1: across from me, and I gave them all a lot
Speaker 1: of fishing game and they all cooked it real quick like,
Speaker 1: and it would share with me, sometimes even with photographs,
Speaker 1: what they had done with it. And then I would
Speaker 1: the next day bring them more stuff like I would.
Speaker 1: I would constantly bring stuff over to these guys because
Speaker 1: I was seeing that return. If you give something and
Speaker 1: you find in their freezer six months later, I've taken
Speaker 1: it back. I I was just up at my parents house.
Speaker 1: My Hi Mom, Hi Dad, And I want you to
Speaker 1: know that I've started to check your freeze or and
Speaker 1: I see that you still have some of my elk,
Speaker 1: and so I'm instituting a rule that I'm not giving
Speaker 1: anymore until I find that it's depleted. You got it,
Speaker 1: And she sends me great photos of of the and
Speaker 1: she's an amazing uh pastry chef and does really cool
Speaker 1: stuff with it and sends me snapchats or whatever the
Speaker 1: whole process, and I love that. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great feedback loop that i'd encourage people to implement. I
Speaker 1: scored a really good hunt permission one time where a
Speaker 1: guy let me on his place, his farm, and I
Speaker 1: just asked, can I hunt squirrels on your farm? No
Speaker 1: one else was hunt squirrels. And I got some squirrels
Speaker 1: and went home and made dinner with the squirrels and
Speaker 1: texted him a picture of what I made with his squirrels.
Speaker 1: He texted me back that I can hunt deer and
Speaker 1: elk on his place or deer in Turkey's on his place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so impressive. People like to see it. That's
Speaker 1: all it takes. How to score your next deer hunting permission?
Speaker 1: Right there, Steven Ronnellae that squirrel and he'll let you
Speaker 1: hunt in his place. Yeah. I was gonna say if
Speaker 1: I like I get some meat recently to some folks,
Speaker 1: and um, I haven't heard back from them, but it
Speaker 1: got me thinking because I was gonna ask him next
Speaker 1: time I run into him. You know what you do
Speaker 1: how was it whatever? Because recently I did that with
Speaker 1: some other folks that had given me too, maybe six
Speaker 1: months ago, and I was like, hey, what did you
Speaker 1: do with the hall of it some hollibd that you've
Speaker 1: given me? And uh, I got the answer like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we ate it. I was like, you just say that
Speaker 1: that's all you got for me, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, it's good you tell
Speaker 1: the story that way because that better reflects. That better
Speaker 1: reflects what the question was, because the question was about
Speaker 1: a gift and there was no you know, like, so
Speaker 1: how was it? There was no you wanted the person
Speaker 1: to be like this, but wait a second, so you
Speaker 1: regifted his halibut though, yeah, so how do you feel
Speaker 1: on your healibet? Well, if I gave that's fine. I
Speaker 1: just I only care about the end. If I gave
Speaker 1: someone something and then they gave it to someone and
Speaker 1: that person came and was like this to me, that's great.
Speaker 1: It's just knowing that because in my mind, I'm doing
Speaker 1: people just a normal good turn, but I'm also doing
Speaker 1: like I'm also trying to like publicly elevate the status
Speaker 1: of the resource so that people will look at the
Speaker 1: water and look look at the mountain or whatever, and
Speaker 1: they'll be like, Oh, there's that thing, this thing, this giant,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that produced this wonderful thing that I ate,
Speaker 1: and therefore I recognize the value of the of the
Speaker 1: producing habitat. I'm kind of getting at and I'm also
Speaker 1: kind of trying to be like a nice dude, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like bringing up like elevating the resources, elevating the things
Speaker 1: that promote the resources, and so I don't give a
Speaker 1: ship who in the end wise though, having it another question,
Speaker 1: and this is like a really like you and I
Speaker 1: talked to April. You and I talked about this one
Speaker 1: a lot a long time ago. But this is this
Speaker 1: is a good This is an ethics conundrum where someone
Speaker 1: don't don't what's that thing like, don't like killing the messenger.
Speaker 1: I'm reading up this, I'm paraphrasing A thing of dude
Speaker 1: is saying how the pursuit of white tales with a
Speaker 1: bow is one of the only times and inferior implement
Speaker 1: is considered morally superior. Using a spear would be further
Speaker 1: inferior and difficult. But there are very few advocating the
Speaker 1: moral purity of spear hunting. That's like a very legitimate point.
Speaker 1: It's like people feel great about using a bow but
Speaker 1: not a gun. But and if you use a spear,
Speaker 1: you lose all your sponsorships. Remember that dude that Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what people didn't celebrate him. It was. So it's
Speaker 1: like rifle, this kind of moral um bow, this kind
Speaker 1: of moral spear. It's confusing. That's always confusing some states.
Speaker 1: And he's not done. He's not done. Likewise, a person
Speaker 1: could choose to commute in a model T or hand
Speaker 1: saw lumber for a home construction project. Making those choices
Speaker 1: would certainly make the tasks more arduous, But I doubt
Speaker 1: anyone considers the Model T commuter stuck in the Lincoln
Speaker 1: Tunnel to morally superior to those in air conditioned cars.
Speaker 1: Choosing a weapon which increases the perceived personal reward level
Speaker 1: for the hunter at the expense of a quick, in
Speaker 1: humane kill is a dreadful, selfish act. His words. Let
Speaker 1: the hunt be challenging, Let the train be difficult, the
Speaker 1: game reclusive and wary, the location parallel, perilous to access,
Speaker 1: add difficult to do the hunt in places where the
Speaker 1: quick dispatch of an animal doesn't hang in the balance.
Speaker 1: When it comes time to complete the most important task
Speaker 1: of hunting, choosing a weapon with the highest likelihood of
Speaker 1: an ethical and immediate kill is the highest moral ground.
Speaker 1: So what's the question? I like this guy. The question is, uh,
Speaker 1: you would express this to me before I had questioned you,
Speaker 1: before you question about it. I'm just wondering where you're
Speaker 1: at on it, because that like a say yeah, I
Speaker 1: put I hold like I struggle with how to. I
Speaker 1: know that I can tear his argument down. I just
Speaker 1: know that it's it's hard to do it. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: do it a minute. Do you want it? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try go for it. I want you to go first. Well,
Speaker 1: I had asked Steve when I had Steve on my show,
Speaker 1: I had asked Steve if it was more ethical to
Speaker 1: kill with a bow or a gun, because I hear
Speaker 1: conflicting reports and I've only been hunting for I don't
Speaker 1: know four years, So for me, I was hearing all
Speaker 1: sorts of different reports, and a lot of people were
Speaker 1: telling me that a bow was more humane, and um,
Speaker 1: the more I looked into it, the more I was
Speaker 1: finding that's actually kind of a gray area. So no,
Speaker 1: it's not a gray area. Well, do you think that
Speaker 1: they like look at capital punishment? Do you feel that
Speaker 1: you could you imagine a situation where the administered capital
Speaker 1: punishment with archery equipment, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, they use
Speaker 1: those guillotine broadheads, like a big nine inch cutting blade guillotine. Bro. So,
Speaker 1: since leaving you and and looking more into it, like
Speaker 1: this year I went out with a gun. I was
Speaker 1: going to fully try to get one with a gun.
Speaker 1: I get stuck in limited situations when a when I've
Speaker 1: got my baby on my back, I'm obviously stuck with
Speaker 1: a bow. I'm not going to take a shot with
Speaker 1: her on my back with a gun. And um, some
Speaker 1: of the properties that I hunt like in Australia especially,
Speaker 1: I can't have a gun, so I'm limited to the
Speaker 1: bow and same with obviously different seasons. But if I
Speaker 1: can take an for me, I wanted to be the
Speaker 1: most most ethical shot possible. I know we had this conversation,
Speaker 1: you said, the animal doesn't care. You know it's going
Speaker 1: to die. But I would like to get as close
Speaker 1: to the animal as possible, so I know I'm making
Speaker 1: the most accurate shot as possible. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's a gun or a bow, but I need to
Speaker 1: know it's the most humane shot that I can make
Speaker 1: given my situation, whether I've got the baby or whether
Speaker 1: I've got um property access. Like when I think about
Speaker 1: the question, I think about why, Like I see what
Speaker 1: he's getting at is the only thing about I think
Speaker 1: that he's um. He's stripping this like really complicated thing
Speaker 1: down to a simple thing, because like taking something that
Speaker 1: has many inputs and considerations and acting like the one
Speaker 1: consideration is like is how quickly one can administer death
Speaker 1: to this thing you're trying to hunt for? And it's
Speaker 1: like I guess you, I guess. Just to give a
Speaker 1: really honest answer about it, is I have a lot
Speaker 1: of other factors that I'm considering in and you also
Speaker 1: have you also have like resource level things where the
Speaker 1: lack of efficacy if like if bows, if a bow
Speaker 1: is less less effective than a gun, the lack of
Speaker 1: efficacy allows more people to participate in the activity. That's
Speaker 1: why in so many places you can get an over
Speaker 1: to everybody that wants can go archery hunting for something,
Speaker 1: but every thebody that wants can't go rifle hunting for
Speaker 1: something is because the efficacy does it so if we
Speaker 1: were really going to play the game to the end,
Speaker 1: it would probably be that you had to put out
Speaker 1: like a specific bait laced with um like lace with
Speaker 1: a sleeping agent in a poison. If you're really if
Speaker 1: the only goal was always like if the only thing
Speaker 1: that hunters cared about was just like administering death as
Speaker 1: quickly as possible, you'd use grenade launcher, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like if you no, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna chase that, if that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: only thing you care about, the only thing you chase.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've really arrived at the right answer,
Speaker 1: because it's just more complicated. And I do think that,
Speaker 1: like if you factor in that that if you hit
Speaker 1: someone with a bow and you get a shot and
Speaker 1: you double along it, it has enough time to go
Speaker 1: twenty yards and die, or it falls over and dies
Speaker 1: much more quickly. UM. I think that hunting is like that,
Speaker 1: there's a selfish act. What you're like, you're doing a
Speaker 1: thing for a bunch of personal reasons, and in in
Speaker 1: the reward one gets for doing it in a in
Speaker 1: a way like a difficult way, like a bow and
Speaker 1: the amount of discipline and skill that it takes. It's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cold calculation, but maybe that reward
Speaker 1: that one feels outweighs that three seconds of right like
Speaker 1: that gain for you and your calculus outweighs the three
Speaker 1: seconds of stress that the thing has as it crosses
Speaker 1: the stage and dies over there. Maybe for some people,
Speaker 1: not for me. I would take any weapon then I
Speaker 1: feel I can get the job done with most efficiently
Speaker 1: fastest I just have. I started with a bow and
Speaker 1: it just kind of stuck from there. First gun I
Speaker 1: really shot, was it your house is right? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: still shot that motherfucker in your backyard. That's good. N
Speaker 1: I don't know when hunt became like morally better? People
Speaker 1: act like it's way more you say people. You say people,
Speaker 1: but what people are? They all name names, I know,
Speaker 1: but they're like a group or like can you break
Speaker 1: it down? And I feel like it was just a
Speaker 1: piece in the wall street That's what I'm hearing. And
Speaker 1: Sam just hit it on the head. And same reason
Speaker 1: with why I started with the bow hunting is that
Speaker 1: I was everybody would be like or people I would
Speaker 1: meet be like, oh yeah, Hunt, But I'm a bow hunter,
Speaker 1: so as a non hunter someone looking to get into it,
Speaker 1: I kept hearing this and I thought, well, that's just
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the rednecks who shoot guns. And I
Speaker 1: heard someone just say fly fisherman and that that is
Speaker 1: for me. It was a lot of that. A lot
Speaker 1: of these fly fishermen were getting into or into bow hunting,
Speaker 1: and they would they would say that there were parallels
Speaker 1: and that it was the equivalent to fly fishing. Um,
Speaker 1: And they just made it sound like it was more ethical.
Speaker 1: And that's why I asked you, is it more ethical?
Speaker 1: Because these bow hunters were saying to me, yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't interrupt the environment, you know with the sound, which
Speaker 1: is ridiculous because I was bow hunting all fall and
Speaker 1: I could hear guns everywhere, like it didn't didn't make
Speaker 1: a difference where I was. Um. But the more I
Speaker 1: think about just the I just I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't see how it is more ethical. Can you guys
Speaker 1: prove me? Theoretically? Leveling the playing fields somehow doing people
Speaker 1: that don't hunt, or they're like, oh, you're giving them
Speaker 1: you know, Oh well I had to sneak up instead
Speaker 1: of just you know, you've got guys now eight yards away,
Speaker 1: and you know the whole people, you know, non hunters.
Speaker 1: You know, I live in Seattle, I'm surrounded by him.
Speaker 1: You know, there's lots of ways to pass judgment, but
Speaker 1: it's an easier way to gain some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: legitimacy to it being it's like, well, it's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. Is hard. Let's be straight. It's not
Speaker 1: harder for me to hard to worry about hard ethical
Speaker 1: Hard is not ethical. It's two different things that you're asking.
Speaker 1: The question is to why it's relevant. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: and it is. It is a lot of non I
Speaker 1: think this bring that forward. And I also think that
Speaker 1: like new hunters to like, I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends who have got into hunting in their late
Speaker 1: twenties early thirties, and it's been fascinating to me to
Speaker 1: see the issues they have to wrestle with that have never,
Speaker 1: you know, never never bothered me. Like you know that,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I I grew up like like shoulder
Speaker 1: deep in salmon guts and and and you know, bonking
Speaker 1: fish on the head and and helping put your deer
Speaker 1: and and all that. So like the death part has
Speaker 1: never you know it. I think I kind of walked
Speaker 1: walked over that threshold before I had quite the mental
Speaker 1: capacity to really wrestle with it. So it's always felt
Speaker 1: very natural. But people who are coming into it later
Speaker 1: really have to surpass some of these difficult questions, like
Speaker 1: how they feel about taking a life just for the
Speaker 1: sake of sport and sustaining their own life. And I
Speaker 1: think some people, I think a lot of people feel
Speaker 1: better about that if it feels more fair to them.
Speaker 1: And what I always say is rifle hunting for ELK
Speaker 1: is plenty fair. Like I mean, in Washington, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be less than ten percent of people who buy an
Speaker 1: ELK down matter where successful. Yeah, absolutely so. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if you want to be hard, only walk backward, Like
Speaker 1: only walk backward with a rifle is really challenging, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Or be responsible rifle hunter, like like you guys do.
Speaker 1: Like a rule you guys have that I've adopted of
Speaker 1: not taking shots past four hundred. I mean, I haven't
Speaker 1: taken a shot past three hundred and long in long,
Speaker 1: long time. It's just a close in the gap. That's
Speaker 1: all it was for me, was closing the gap. I
Speaker 1: still if I have a gun in my hand, would
Speaker 1: rather get closer? Sure? Yeah, just for me, It's all
Speaker 1: about closing the gap. It's the fun part. Okay. If
Speaker 1: you could, uh, if you could snap your fingers and
Speaker 1: automatically be an absolute master of one hunting and fishing skill.
Speaker 1: What would the skill be? Sneaking up on stuff? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Figuring out how to stay quiet, keep my heart rate
Speaker 1: under control, just like deep breath, see what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: get the wind right, not let my the excitement of
Speaker 1: the moment, just taking that deep breath and figuring out,
Speaker 1: all right, the winds this way. I need to go
Speaker 1: this way like my once I can because I have
Speaker 1: good notes, I can like once I'm in it, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, my old game plan in every magazine
Speaker 1: or book or podcast, the thing that I've read goes
Speaker 1: out the window, and it's like my heart rates at
Speaker 1: like one forty and I'm like, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you're trying to do everything correctly. Yeah, if I could
Speaker 1: just stay calm for a minute, that would be mine.
Speaker 1: Are you hip to guys who have been using beta
Speaker 1: blockers to do that? Well? Define beta blockers. I've pretty
Speaker 1: much tried everything. No, it's like, what the hell is it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a medication. People take the medication
Speaker 1: for some reasons then find that they don't get buck
Speaker 1: fever anymore. Yeah, and like you're not like there's it's
Speaker 1: a band substance. Like people that shoot, uh competitive pistol
Speaker 1: shooting and stuff, they can't use beta blockers calms you
Speaker 1: down too much. Maybe I should look into beta blockers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guys talk about get no. Dudes say that their doctor
Speaker 1: would put them on a beta blocker. And also they
Speaker 1: realized that when a buck comes in, they don't get
Speaker 1: panicky as panicky. I don't get panicky. I just get
Speaker 1: you know, in the moment you're there. I just li
Speaker 1: show wasn't better right if one skill quiet and just
Speaker 1: quiet as a generality, mentally quiet, mentally quiet, and then
Speaker 1: also just to be able to read this sick of
Speaker 1: the circumstance. I think the one thing that like the
Speaker 1: thing that I missed out on is um it was
Speaker 1: lazy about is all forms of calling because I've always
Speaker 1: was for whatever reason, uh would be with someone who
Speaker 1: is better at it than me and then let them
Speaker 1: be the one that did it. And that went on
Speaker 1: and on and on that went on and on and
Speaker 1: on and now here I'm in like my forties and
Speaker 1: I've always like my early when I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: my lollard Danny was a really good caller, So we
Speaker 1: hunt a dugs. He is called to shut up because
Speaker 1: Danny was good at it, and then like you know,
Speaker 1: hunting out with the honest. Honest is a great caller,
Speaker 1: so he just calls um and yeah, missing out on
Speaker 1: like like that that and it's never too late, but
Speaker 1: that that I didn't cultivate that skill and I'm only
Speaker 1: now just like a you know, getting better at it.
Speaker 1: Well I kind of suck at it. I mean I
Speaker 1: make up for it in other ways a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that's been a real miss man.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm sorry interrupt, But the process is fun.
Speaker 1: I mean I get this game, and I enjoy playing
Speaker 1: the game and just throwing out something that we could
Speaker 1: just like not have to learn and experience to get better.
Speaker 1: But like if we're not sitting here saying that we
Speaker 1: don't enjoy like going through learning buck fever and how
Speaker 1: to you know, get over it and learning calls for
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we've been at it for twenty years
Speaker 1: now of like was freaking latex and glue in our mouths.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, you know, is over and over and over
Speaker 1: and and but like you got to enjoy that, that
Speaker 1: not being good and becoming good. I think that process right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the journey was seemed hard for me. You
Speaker 1: know that's my regret. You didn't enjoy it? No, I
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it. Yeah. I if I could and snap
Speaker 1: my fingers, become a master or something, I improve my
Speaker 1: my archery shot I've been doing. I've been doing an
Speaker 1: archery league at that little shop down the street from
Speaker 1: the office, and god have been a mess, Like because
Speaker 1: I archery practice has always been like a solitary thing
Speaker 1: for me. I'd like you shoot my backyard growing up,
Speaker 1: or go out to the range and zula by myself.
Speaker 1: But shooting with the last week they had like a
Speaker 1: they had like a steel barrel on a swivel that
Speaker 1: would like go around to both ends were cut off
Speaker 1: and it would like it wasn't it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: slow spit. Oh my god. It threw me to what
Speaker 1: the hell is that supposed to teach you? But I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like as like an elk passes through
Speaker 1: the gap like yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, But I mean
Speaker 1: having a bunch of people around and like, you know,
Speaker 1: coming into it cold. Like the first day I rolled
Speaker 1: up and I was already late. Everybody had started, and
Speaker 1: I like, pull out my bow and get ready. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: all broadheads great, and one still has elk long all
Speaker 1: over it. Um, And so it's just I just, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could do so much to be a better bosh.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for fifteen years, and I still
Speaker 1: feel like I have a long ways to go to
Speaker 1: reach that, you know, those that ten thousand hours or
Speaker 1: reach mastery. Uh. One last thing I want to touch
Speaker 1: on and then we're gonna play our game. Oh you
Speaker 1: just did it. Did you know? What was my thing
Speaker 1: that I was going to become? The process of column
Speaker 1: I was just enjoying. You can go three times. I
Speaker 1: don't care. He wants some master enjoying the process of
Speaker 1: learning things. Oh yeah, please. Um. If I could just
Speaker 1: snap my fingers and just like one thing I could
Speaker 1: just master in the whole honey and fishing world, it
Speaker 1: would just be how to manifest and just conjure up animals,
Speaker 1: Like when I look at that hill and be like
Speaker 1: there he is the manifestations is dad knows how to manifest? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: in all, in all seriousness, it'd be tracking. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: to have that skill just to like without even like
Speaker 1: bending over from six ft too well, my eyes are
Speaker 1: probably at six ft just to look down and be
Speaker 1: able to just to see, you know, way ahead, just follow,
Speaker 1: you know, the best guy. The best people I know
Speaker 1: that are people that refer trappers. Yes, I agree, because
Speaker 1: just like for hours every day, hours every day you
Speaker 1: being one of those people and little teeny clues man,
Speaker 1: little teeny clues. Um, okay, we gotta do our deal.
Speaker 1: How are we gonna you know, we didn't do Simon,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we didn't do giving stuff away
Speaker 1: to to to do seeing through the bullshit? Oh right, yeah.
Speaker 1: But there's the thing I want to talk about real quick,
Speaker 1: and so many people are written in about it. It's
Speaker 1: like this is one of those you guys don't need
Speaker 1: to say anything. But we've had so many people right
Speaker 1: in about uh, a border wall on our southern border,
Speaker 1: Like what does a border wall mean for wildlife? And
Speaker 1: like every day someone writes in the box has been
Speaker 1: in the news so much. But whether we're gonna build
Speaker 1: the border wall or not. But I find that people
Speaker 1: get mad, Like people don't want to hear the answer.
Speaker 1: They don't want to hear about it because they don't
Speaker 1: want it to um challenge. However, they feel about it
Speaker 1: because you could have, you could have. There's a very
Speaker 1: legitimate argument to be made. You want to build a
Speaker 1: border wall, and you should be able to think that well,
Speaker 1: knowing everything that that would mean. Right, like if you're
Speaker 1: saying too, if you're talking with your spouse, but whether
Speaker 1: you're gonna go on vacation, and you decide like we're
Speaker 1: gonna go on vacation, and then someone points out, well,
Speaker 1: if you go on vacation, we're gonna have less money
Speaker 1: and our savings account. No one gets mad at you
Speaker 1: for pointing that out. So does the wall affect wildlife?
Speaker 1: Like how could it? Like? Absolutely it does. It cuts
Speaker 1: off like people keep writing in about like it's some
Speaker 1: kind of mystery. You're denying access to water, to certain things,
Speaker 1: and you're preventing the movement of animals. And since since
Speaker 1: the dawn of time, wildlife has moved freely back and
Speaker 1: forth across the border, and like jaguars come in and
Speaker 1: out awesol lots come in and out, desert, big horns,
Speaker 1: prong horns, cou's deer, mule deer in some places, even
Speaker 1: bison um. And then historically you had speci ease that
Speaker 1: would like, for instance, at that they think that at
Speaker 1: the end of the place the scene, we lost mountain
Speaker 1: lions and what's now the Lower forty eight and mountain
Speaker 1: lions only lived to the south and recononized back and forth.
Speaker 1: So there's always been this exchange going on. Um. And
Speaker 1: if you are saying you want to if one's gonna
Speaker 1: build an impenetrable wall, you're gonna impede the exchange. But
Speaker 1: that that's not like solving the question of whether it
Speaker 1: needs to happen in my mind, But it's just like
Speaker 1: a factor that one has to wait. But like people
Speaker 1: get pissed when you bring it up. I think you
Speaker 1: could bring it up and realize that that's the truth
Speaker 1: and still think that that's what you want to do,
Speaker 1: But it's just the reality. I know guys who hunt
Speaker 1: that border country you live down there, who are super
Speaker 1: worried about it things. I think it's gonna mess up
Speaker 1: there deer hunting. Yeah, I know people who are worried
Speaker 1: about uh people coming across. I know those people in
Speaker 1: that danger and worried about the danger of wildlife. It's
Speaker 1: just a big It's just a big it's a it's
Speaker 1: a massive issue. But people right in acting as though
Speaker 1: like there's like this sort of debatable answer. But I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like not debatable. It would be they
Speaker 1: would have implications for wildlife doggie doors or something to
Speaker 1: That's what I keep wondering about. Man, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: a guy. I even heard a guy making the case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a special code that animals doggie door for desert mule here,
Speaker 1: and yeah code doggie door a little thing. I've even
Speaker 1: heard people talk about the implications for lowifying birds and insects.
Speaker 1: But yeah, do guys. I'm talking about our hardcore quail
Speaker 1: hunters who hunt like right down by the border. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine quail. I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: But they don't tend to fly super high, so it
Speaker 1: might be problematic. I don't know how are we gonna
Speaker 1: pick someone who play see through the bullshit? I gotta
Speaker 1: figure it out, do it. I'll combine it with our
Speaker 1: other thing that we're gonna do you like that. I
Speaker 1: love it, and I'm just gonna go for the upper
Speaker 1: end of yeah. Alright, So a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: gonna do tonight. Well, I'm just gonna bring anybody down first, Okay,
Speaker 1: if it's your birthday today, not tomorrow, not yesterday, but today,
Speaker 1: come on down to the stage. Is there anybody in
Speaker 1: the house? Was birthday? Is it today? Oh? Yeah? Birthday?
Speaker 1: Birthday too, that's it. We need the oldest person who's
Speaker 1: having a birthday now. But then you're disqualified. You're disqualified
Speaker 1: from the other thing you get for having a birthday.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna be super nice to them and
Speaker 1: the um zora come down. How many we got? Looks
Speaker 1: like I see more change? Thirty five? Is anybody older
Speaker 1: than thirty five today? Heard us? They're coming down. They'll
Speaker 1: be about an hour and they'll be down here telling
Speaker 1: the rules. Jannes first Seen through the Bullshit? All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a game called seeing through the Bullshit.
Speaker 1: You might also know as a I've never played the
Speaker 1: drinking version of Two Lies and the Truth? Have you
Speaker 1: no anybody here? Oh? How old are you? That's all right?
Speaker 1: That's all right, hang out, hang out. That we got
Speaker 1: more though, coming down from the old time, We're coming
Speaker 1: from up high. Okay, So telling the rules. Um so,
Speaker 1: whoever we choose pick, We're gonna tell you, guys, uh,
Speaker 1: two lies and one truth, and then if you can
Speaker 1: guess which one is the true story, then you've seen
Speaker 1: through the bullshit, seen through the bullshit. Get to take
Speaker 1: home this brand new pair of Fury laser range finding
Speaker 1: binoculars that will laser range find reflective stuff at five
Speaker 1: thousand yards and deer at a thousand plus. Steve's hitting
Speaker 1: some couz deer in January. Um at, like with these sockers,
Speaker 1: lifetime warranty. Hold you So, how do you No one's
Speaker 1: gonna beat that. It's not all right? Coming up? I'm
Speaker 1: getting okay, So you're giving up your spot? I am okay.
Speaker 1: So what happened to our person? She's coming coming, come
Speaker 1: coming back, coming upstairs? There it is, Come on out.
Speaker 1: What's your name? I gotta see where you right here? Hi,
Speaker 1: nice to meet you there, Take my scene, take my hand.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Happy birthday. So what's your name? Clari? Okay, Clary.
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you sister, just so she knows, gonna
Speaker 1: sit close to her so that possibly they can pick
Speaker 1: up her voice on my microphone. Are you comfortable with that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Where you're not American? England? Okay, welcome. All these stories
Speaker 1: are distinctly American. How long have you been here? Okay,
Speaker 1: you're a good all right? Did you hear the rules
Speaker 1: for the game? Okay, you're busy walking down. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. Um, who's telling them? Sam? April. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story. April's gonna tell a story. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story. Sam's gonna tell a story. It's
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story. One of them is true. You
Speaker 1: just need to identify the true one. Let's start with
Speaker 1: your honest Okay. Um, everybody knows that you can take
Speaker 1: goats and put them in a pen and goats, yes,
Speaker 1: and forced them to eat knap weed and other types
Speaker 1: of weeds, and then you can let them. They'll they'll
Speaker 1: sort of become accustomed to it, and and that will become
Speaker 1: their diet. When you coutmeme loose out in the wild,
Speaker 1: they'll eat the weeds and they don't eat the native
Speaker 1: And that's the way that we here in the States
Speaker 1: we get rid of weeds out on you know, wide
Speaker 1: open pastures in the forest. It is well, it gets better.
Speaker 1: So there's a problem here in Washington where there's a
Speaker 1: pod of orca's. You may have heard of the Southern pod,
Speaker 1: southern resident pod that only eat chinook sal salmon, right,
Speaker 1: have you heard about this? Oh? Well, you people, just
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be you guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: allowed to help later. We're gonna let you help later,
Speaker 1: but let us get through the stories before you start.
Speaker 1: You all, you all. I wouldn't trust them quite yet
Speaker 1: because they have no idea. Yes everything hunters and huntresses,
Speaker 1: thank you hunters huntresses. So so even you irrational ones
Speaker 1: out there. Um, okay, So there's uh state of Washington
Speaker 1: that they got a problem with these orcas because there's
Speaker 1: not enough salmon for them to eat, so they're getting
Speaker 1: skinny and they they're they're not doing well. So, um,
Speaker 1: there's another pot of orcas out that that go up
Speaker 1: and down the coast that eat mammals like sea lions,
Speaker 1: seals and whatnot. So what they're thing about doing is
Speaker 1: making a net and capturing a few of these Southern
Speaker 1: pod orcas and actually taking seals that they've caught and
Speaker 1: like cutting off a fin or a chunk of the
Speaker 1: tail and putting it in the net with these orcas
Speaker 1: to sort of start getting the orcas to feed on
Speaker 1: these um the seals to then turn them into predators
Speaker 1: that work off the seals and not be just you know,
Speaker 1: so uh um so word I'm looking for. We're relying
Speaker 1: on the salmon. Okay, they're just looking into that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Now you're familiar with the state of Wyoming. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a big reservoir called Flaming Gorge and whelming a
Speaker 1: dude is they're fishing, and he cuts his thumb off
Speaker 1: on his boat prop in July, Okay, that winner. A
Speaker 1: feller is fishing through the ice and catches a lake trout,
Speaker 1: opens it's got up and finds a thumb in its gut.
Speaker 1: They connect the feller that lost his thumb with the
Speaker 1: feller that found the thumb. The guy comes and has
Speaker 1: a look and he says, I think that's my thumb.
Speaker 1: And he now keeps the thumb in a are formalde
Speaker 1: hyde on his mantelpiece. Care, Sam, So are you familiar
Speaker 1: with Catalina Island off of southern California. So for a
Speaker 1: very long time. They've had problems with feral goats eating. Yes, big,
Speaker 1: big problems. They can't get rid of them. It's a
Speaker 1: big island, very rugged terrain. They've tried all sorts of
Speaker 1: different solutions for getting rid of them. Back in the seventies,
Speaker 1: the US Fish and Wildlife Service proposed planting coyotes on
Speaker 1: the island, which would naturally kind of take care of
Speaker 1: the goats. But obviously they're worried about creating a new
Speaker 1: invasive species. So what they proposed to do was plant
Speaker 1: a subcutaneous cyanide pill inside the coyotes digestive tract that
Speaker 1: would break down over the years, so after they've done
Speaker 1: their jobs, they would expire with cyanide. No, yeah, because
Speaker 1: somebody else could then eat them and then they die.
Speaker 1: And you may be unfamiliar with the goofy stuff wild
Speaker 1: game managers have done in this country. Talking about the seventies,
Speaker 1: that's when animals were harmed in the making of movies.
Speaker 1: That's when they were capturing its thumb back from the
Speaker 1: belly of a lake trout or the orchid project that
Speaker 1: they're gonna start feeding them new um cut up seals
Speaker 1: to get them to turn them into better predators or
Speaker 1: the cyanide pill filled coyotes. I'm you got it here,
Speaker 1: It's okay. Here's the thing they are. Someone in Australia
Speaker 1: is looking at how to do a time capsule death dingo,
Speaker 1: that's where we got it from. That's where we got
Speaker 1: it from. It won't happen. I guess Australia's bigger than
Speaker 1: what do you can do with those? You win a
Speaker 1: prize a really nice price. That's a paraminoculars that have
Speaker 1: a laser range finder built into him. Oh oh did you?
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask, are you sure you came
Speaker 1: to the right show tonight? Up? My chicken thinking why
Speaker 1: are they gonna stall singing? That's coming next? The Power.
Speaker 1: We're like, don't cry for me, Argentina. Oh wonderful, thank
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