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Speaker 1: But more important than that is who Denie. Who Deny

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Speaker 1: My brother always likes to talk about how who Deny died? Where?

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Speaker 1: it and killed him man like hit him. He did. Well,

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Speaker 1: to us. The stage manager told us that, yes, that happened,

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Speaker 1: or more theater. Oh my introductions, um the Lavin Eagle,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and uh Jimmy Dorn from Belltown Pizza, he's

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Speaker 1: I think is when you tell him about Jimmy's turkey hunt.

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Speaker 1: that I could say publicly to our audience of hundreds

425
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Speaker 1: of thousands of of listeners. There's nothing is like it's

426
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: a weird it's a weird gray or what we're talking

427
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: about here is a weird gray area of like cute

428
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: irrational where there's like crazy irrational that you just don't

429
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: really want to like air to the to the public

430
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: what it is. I don't have to tell who it is, uh,

431
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: can I can? All? Right? Okay? Are you talking about

432
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: like an ex girlfriend? Yeah? Okay, and of what like

433
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: category of what category, like what life category did the

434
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: irrational thing fall into? I don't even know which ex

435
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: girlfriend we're talking about here, but let's start off. I

436
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: feel like, let's die, let's divide the world into like

437
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: rooms of the house that way. Yeah, well, yeah, what

438
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: would be a area of one's existence that the irrational

439
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: behavior a manifest? I had an ex girlfriend who would clean,

440
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: like deep clean her apartment every week, and she would

441
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: like she would go as far as pulling everything out

442
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: of her freezer just to like scrape out the freezer

443
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: of ice. Every week I would have hung under her.

444
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: That sounds like there there's complicating circumstances. That was That

445
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: was not the reason it ended. Get her phone number.

446
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, let's organized maybe, but but I'm like,

447
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: you put stuff in the freezer to like you know,

448
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: has to preserve it to hanging onto it for a while,

449
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: and like I'd stacked it full of elk. I'm like,

450
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: why are you put alling all of that out there?

451
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: It's defrosting in your fridge, in your in your sink

452
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, so that's good. I found that to

453
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: be highly irrational. It is, Jimmy, Uh, I don't have

454
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: a lot to add to this. I'm I'm fortunate. I'm

455
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: fortunately hello, oh come on here. You talked me into it.

456
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: You know I didn't want to. I told him I

457
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about this. I am fortunate enough.

458
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: My significant other, who was sitting right over there, is

459
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: very rational, grounded. I find very very seldom do I

460
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: find it. Jim get called, Uh, you know things that'll

461
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: get me in a twist. I mean, she moves things around.

462
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why we're always looking for things

463
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: that I know right where it's at. But in the

464
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things that is a one on the

465
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: argument scale as opposed to attend. So you know, I'm

466
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: very fortunate at no, no, ideo it's not boring. It's

467
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: not boring. It's rational. As you know, it's battles. You

468
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: just chose. Well I did choose, she chose. Yeah, I'm

469
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: extremely fortunate. Let me just it's nothing. No, come on,

470
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna come up with irrational behavior by my wife.

471
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: That's what you're asking me. There's like little things that

472
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: she does, um that I might like that might bug me,

473
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't call like irrational behavior. Well, I would

474
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: like she did something like that where I don't thing

475
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: like rents a deer out with creep water and then

476
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm not eating that because that water

477
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: is so much different than stuff that comes out of

478
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: the faucet. You know, it's rolling down rocks or something,

479
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: and and it's dirty. Yeah. I'd stop it at that

480
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: point and say we gotta have a conversation to see

481
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: this thing, and keep going on in my mind when

482
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about and my mom talking about it, be

483
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: that one day my wife caught me letting my kids

484
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: cut up pumpkins with a machete, and she feels it,

485
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: and she feels that when someone's holding a machete or

486
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: an axe or something that it's gonna, like inexplicably like

487
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: fly out of their hand, which I thought was right.

488
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: But then one day Callahan who heats holding a cleaver,

489
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and she keeps being afraid that it's gonna fly out

490
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: of Callahan's hand, and so I feel like it's like

491
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: when she sees a large blade, she feels that it

492
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: will fly out of the user's hand. And it just

493
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: strikes me as on par with this. That's all, um.

494
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's here or not. There's a

495
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: guy he's fishing up Narrows Park not far from here,

496
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: on the gig Harbor side Narrows Bridge, and he writes

497
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: in about how he's everyone around catching all kinds of fish.

498
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: He's not catching one. This guy here has to do

499
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: with a diving duck in the eagle. Okay, So he

500
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: finally hooks a fish and he gets all excited for

501
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds until up pops a diver duck

502
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: that he has hooked, and as he's reeling it in

503
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: across the surface an eagle. I believe because the level

504
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: of detail, and eagle comes down and grabs his diver

505
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: duck off the surface. We used to have the eagles

506
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: steal our ducks when we're out duck hunting. His it

507
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: starts flying, singing drag out. He tightens his drag yanks

508
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: it and gets his duck back. It like gets it

509
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: free from the eagle is able to bring it in

510
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: and he's got a superficially hooked unhooks it and lets

511
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: the duck go on. The duck's fine. That's a fishing story.

512
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: That's a fishing story. Another guy, that's one of those

513
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: where the duck gets back to the cattails. He's like,

514
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: you guys are not gonna be doing He's just like,

515
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: don't even don't even ask what I've been up to.

516
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: That's funny because like a duck go through his whole

517
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: life and nothing really that exciting happens. Remember one time

518
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: we're yeah, one time we're up in the mountains and

519
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: we had hung up all of our you know, hung

520
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: all of our food up in a tree. Bears wouldn't

521
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: get into it. And then it's like somehow there's like

522
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: a block of cheese. It didn't get hung up in

523
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: the tree, and so my brother got up and something

524
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of like tucked the block of cheese up in

525
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: a like on top of the game bag, up in

526
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: a tree. And we come back later and there's a

527
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: pine squirrel who's discovered the block of cheese, which that's

528
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: some visional only ever eaten one thing is entire life.

529
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he finds a block

530
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: of cheese, which has to seem like really unusual. And

531
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: on top of that, two large bipedal creatures come after

532
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: and chase it through the woods. It's like one of

533
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: the rains of pores. Man, you know, because I'm out

534
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: here every day, nothing ever had before. Have you ever

535
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: this is super inappropriate, and I apologize to children in

536
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: the audience, but have you ever seen a duck's penis?

537
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: We're just talking about this yesterday. They have excitement every day.

538
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: That is. If you don't know what I'm talking about,

539
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: you need to google this. Only three percent of bird

540
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: species have one penis, yeah, because they have coecause, but

541
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: the duck has Some ducks have one longer than they are.

542
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: The spikes on No, that's the vagina. Well, yeah, there's

543
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: like a spiraled and spiked Yeah, so why why do

544
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: they have the spikes? Just I mean, I don't want

545
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: their partner to get away. I guess reason. Alright, No, No,

546
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: it's a it's a startling it's a startling thing, and

547
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: it's so funny. As we talked, we discussed this at

548
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: length last night. Um, it's serious business and and keeping

549
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: with a Pacific Northwest theme? Are you talking to me? Uh?

550
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest theme? A guy, I like the way this

551
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: thing starts. He writes in that his brother pregnancy checks.

552
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: So prag checks cows, arm up and you feel around

553
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: until it's pregnant or not. And he gets paid in salmon.

554
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: But but the salmon he gets have never been gutted,

555
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: if they're frozen gut in salmon. And he wants to

556
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: know if this is a normal thing or not. I

557
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: think that is not normal. Well, the commercial fisherman or

558
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: a recreational fisherman give them to him commercial. Yeah, and

559
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: then I'd say that's normal, not normal. When I was

560
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: when I was commercial fishing, we never gutted a salmon,

561
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: just frolle hole in game. Way. No, I mean I

562
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know anybody pray checks cows. But yeah, I mean we,

563
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean every every summer we catch in the scene

564
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: just gets spilled into the fish hole and freeze to

565
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: death in thirty four degree refrigerating seawater. So the processor

566
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: guts it. Yeah, so he just skips the processor. Yeah,

567
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're doing if you're singing correctly, you

568
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: never touch the fish and they freeze guts in. Yeah,

569
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: no one bleeds them. Well, that's so. I mean, so

570
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: like obviously there's a lot of types of of of

571
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: commercial fishing, and like we are primarily targeting pinks um,

572
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: so it's it's like en mass. And then we pull

573
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: up alongside a tender usually like bearing sea crab boats.

574
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: They take a big crane with a vacuum pump and

575
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: swing it over, drop it in our hold and put

576
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: in a return tube and just over the course of

577
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: an hour just suck all those fish out of there.

578
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: You have to keep the water level just right. And

579
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: at the end I'd have to go down there and

580
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: hit boots and to shovel and get up in the

581
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: corners of the fish hold and and move all the fish.

582
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Often try to like scrape them when they get frozen

583
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: up against like the refrigeration unit. It was really gross,

584
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: was my least favorite part of the job. But what

585
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: are you allowed to take fish home? Do you think

586
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: he's being lazy or do you think he's sneaking them

587
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: out without being allowed to take well, I mean I

588
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't know, but I imagine, like in Washington,

589
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: it's it's either sainting or gill netting, in which case

590
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: you always deliver those fishhole to processors. And and I mean,

591
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: and you're usually freezing them as soon as you as

592
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: you catch them because you're just catching so many. I mean, like,

593
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest day I ever had, we caught

594
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: seventy three pounds seventy three thousand pounds of salmon, pink

595
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: pink salmon in about two hours and the morning then

596
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: we were on limits. So it was pretty it was

597
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: pretty cool to be like, I just made three grand.

598
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: It's not even ten am yet. Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

599
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: So this dude question, though, is that what's that? Do

600
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: you know what the common like end product is for

601
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: those pinks that you I think it's dog food and

602
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: and and and yeah, and a lot of like supplements.

603
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: Um Can salmon is a good a good part of it,

604
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: the high quality stuff. But I mean they also they

605
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: also filet some pink side. Man. I wish I know, knew,

606
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot of a lot of friends in

607
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: that industry. But um but yeah, I mean it's it's

608
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: not like it's not like showing up on fancy restaurants

609
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: for for pinks anyway. And and where kings typically get kings,

610
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: hippli get caught in um trolling you know situations or

611
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: or gill netting where they're you know, treated with a

612
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: different level of care. And and there's there's also there's

613
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: a big growth in in the kind of the it's

614
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: not farm to table, but it's like, you know, boat

615
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: to table. Actually just had a guy hit man. Yeah, yeah,

616
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: I know, I can know a couple of those guys.

617
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: And and this guy's just hit me up from Sitka

618
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: who it's all about, like, no, your fisherman and and

619
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: he like they do straight like from from the boat.

620
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: And so those guys are like catching their fish, processing

621
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: their fish, flash freezing, mailing them off. It sounds like

622
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: a giant pay in the ask to me. But it's

623
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: it's cool to see that kind of thing happens. Yeah,

624
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: this guy's word choice because I just realized he describes

625
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: these fishes whole as hell doesn't matter. And yeah, like

626
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: I know you bleed him and that makes the difference

627
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: on the quality of meat, but doesn't matter, like if

628
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: you left the guts in and freeze it and then

629
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: defrost and gut it home to He's trying to figure

630
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: out because the dude game all these fish. I think,

631
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't think the guts would be polluting the

632
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: meat if it's all frozen. I think it's frozen quick.

633
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: I've got to for the whole lake trout frozen my

634
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: freezer right now. He rolls down because they throw they're

635
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: they're frozen the second we pulled them out of the

636
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: lake and uh. And then I got home and I

637
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: had to run out here, and I'm like, I don't

638
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: wanna I don't want to defrost these things so I

639
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: could gut them so I can freeze them again, because

640
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: that's gonna be even worse on the flesh to freeze

641
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: and thaw and freeze and thaw. So I did. I

642
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: did think about this for quite a while, and I

643
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and I'm just gonna stick them

644
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: in the fraser. I don't have time. I've left guts

645
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: in grouse and aged them for seven days and then

646
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: ate them. Yeah, that's a big thing in Europe, man. Yeah,

647
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: I tried both. I tried with the gutting and then

648
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: as long as it's not a gut shot, I've left

649
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the guts in and I've aged both for seven days.

650
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it tastes cleaner if the guts have been out,

651
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: but it wasn't bad, and aged for like made all

652
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: the difference in the world. It was like cutting sushi.

653
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: When I was cutting them up, I would have a

654
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: harder time with that than fish, because well, for sure, yeah,

655
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: grouse are known for having especially weird smelling guts. I

656
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: want to get into I want to get into sam

657
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: and numbers because that's like a real thing that like

658
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: dominates the conversation around here, and it's confusing as hell,

659
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: and I'll kind of like lay out, like I pictured

660
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: like someone from Mars or some outer space planet with

661
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: just a superficial understanding of the world was listening to

662
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: the conversation. They would be confused because you have where

663
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: king salmon numbers are really low, and so people keep

664
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: proposing different things that we might do, different things we

665
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: might try to kill off or reduce in order to

666
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: up salmon numbers. So it's like, oh, we're gonna kill seagulls,

667
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: sea lions, harbor seals, what else, sawfish, cormorants. But also

668
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: like name brand, name brand sea, many big list of things,

669
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: name brand sea mammals that you reduced numbers to get

670
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: salmon numbers up. But then there's another name brand sea mammal,

671
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: killer whale or orca, which is the whole other conversation

672
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tonight, I'm going with killer whale le So

673
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: killer whales are suffering from the lack of fish and

674
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: no one's proposing and they eat nothing but kings, and

675
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, no one has proposed shooting them things

676
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: not since everything else is on the list. Meanwhile, and

677
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: people be like, okay, another problem with kings. And I'm

678
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: not a subject matter expert here, this is my homs race.

679
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: Like another problem that kings have is they're getting too

680
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: much competition from hatchery fish in the river, so that's

681
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: that's a concerns and in the oceans. But because the

682
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: one marine mammal is not getting enough fish, they're now

683
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: talking about putting more hatchery fish in to make sure

684
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: that that greene mammal the orca gets enough and then

685
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: we'll get rid of the other ones. Like like, is

686
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: it is it as confusing as it seems it is,

687
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: And it's like right as w DFW is kind of

688
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: finally coming around the idea that that their intensive, crazy

689
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: hatchery program has not necessarily been the greatest boon to

690
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: wild salmon and steelhead, especially steelhead. Now the governor's coming

691
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: in and telling them to start pumping out more hatchery

692
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: shin up for the whales, for the whales, So it's

693
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's as complicated as all hell. I'm

694
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: not even from Mars, and I don't even understand. It's

695
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be a band aid, not a long term solution. Yeah,

696
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: well that's like it seems, I mean, this is this

697
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: is kind of one of the areas where the conversation

698
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: about SAM gets interesting in Sam and Steelhead is because

699
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: you have like, like it's no secret what the main

700
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: problem is, the main problem being like like a system

701
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: of dams that blocks fish migration, Like it used to

702
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: take I think, you know, a fishies to be able

703
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: to go from its natal stream out to the ocean

704
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: in three days, and now it takes twenty some days

705
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: in certain river systems, and so it's exposed to so

706
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: much more predation. But they're doing badly in rivers that

707
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: don't have damns too. That's a good point. Yeah, So

708
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's bad timber practices, it's over harvest, it's

709
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: changing ocean condition. There's a there's a lot of damns

710
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: being definitely a primary drop. But I find that like, like,

711
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: like some people like Callahan's this way has argued this

712
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: where some people are like if you have this system,

713
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: like this large systemic problem, being like you have this

714
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: large problem with dams, and they don't want to entertain

715
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: the micro fixes. They're like, I don't want to do

716
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to condone micro fixes because I want

717
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: to just focus on what the main problem is. To

718
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: be like, if you lost your job and had no

719
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: money and then you found a dollar on the street,

720
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: you'd pick it up, but but Colt would be like,

721
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: don't pick it up because you don't have a job.

722
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: So it's like I feel like I feel the frustration

723
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: of people who are wanting to like we we can't

724
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: control that, Like that's like a huge long term problem,

725
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: but there are small adjustments we can make and it's like,

726
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: it makes people extremely upset that you that you entertain

727
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: the idea of reducing harbor seal populations, reducing sea lion

728
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: populations in order to try to keep this thing hobbling

729
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: along while we get up the political and public will

730
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: to like actually get around to addressing the main problem. Yeah. Absolutely,

731
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: And if you look at it historically, all these things

732
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: are really closely tied together. In the territorial legislature of Washington,

733
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: it was illegal to block an Adremus fish passage that

734
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: was passed in the late eighteen hundreds UM when they

735
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: built the dams on the l law that were recently removed.

736
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: They built the lowest dam, which is some three miles

737
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: from the from tidewater, with no with no fish ladder,

738
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: no nothing, just cut it off one of the greatest

739
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: chinook runs ever known. But they made a deal that

740
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: was later codified in law that they're like, oh, we'll

741
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: just make a hatchery and solve the problem. We'll just

742
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: pump out enough fish to make up for the ones

743
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: we lost. And then that that was taken forth into

744
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the Pacific Northwest that wherever we hose

745
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: a salmon run we just we we do Mitigation is

746
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: is I mean, it's still a word that's just thrown

747
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: around left and right. But that's where it all derives from.

748
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Wherever we wherever we ruin a salmon run, We're just

749
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: gonna put in a hatchery and solve the problem. It's

750
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna be all better. What were you guys saying, like, what,

751
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: what's the typical percentage of with steel head? What's the

752
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: percentage of steel head that are wild born and hatchery born? Man?

753
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: I was pulling number out of my ask before, but

754
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: it's probably less than a quarter anymore that are that

755
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: are like native. Like, of all the steel head that

756
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: returned to freshwater every year in Washington, I bet less

757
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: than a quarter have an out of post fun here,

758
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: not in the skin. So the Skina region has the

759
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: healthiest population of salmon in the world. The Club the

760
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: Columbia used to have the best steelhead fishery, but yeah,

761
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: we don't have any of that in the Skina. So

762
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: were you fished the steelhead or wild? Now? Do you?

763
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Because you kind of let you like caught your teeth

764
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: as a steelhead guide and built your career off being

765
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: a steelhead guide. If you had if you had a

766
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: picture of crystal ball, how old your daughter? No? Not

767
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: not sixteen months? Sixteen months? If you if you had

768
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: to make a guess, like God's got a gun to

769
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: your head and you got to make a guess that

770
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: when she's your age, and don't don't play like what

771
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: you want to have. I think about this every day

772
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: hitting age. Will she be fishing steelhead? And you have

773
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: to get it right or else you die like that

774
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of answer. So I'm thirty seven, So in thirty

775
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: six years in the skina, I think they'll be here.

776
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll be here in the numbers that

777
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: they are now. I think that, I mean, they're the most,

778
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: the most resilient. I think that one of the most

779
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: resilient and will ever fish out there. But they'll definitely

780
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: be here unless less numbers. It's really scary. Have you

781
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: have you watched the decline in your own yes? And

782
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: the shifting baseline is really scary. And these people who

783
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: were fishing, you know, are they've been fishing for ten years,

784
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: say and they're like, oh, well, you know, in my

785
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: ten years, it hasn't been a major difference. But they're

786
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: just they're not They don't know what the baseline was

787
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. They and and unfortunately a lot

788
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: of people in my age group, they don't want to

789
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: learn the history, you know, or they don't want to

790
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: learn about what happened before them. So yeah, pretty terrified. Yeah.

791
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: We had a guy at one time describe the shift,

792
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: the shifting baseline thing. He called it shifting baseline syndrome.

793
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: Where but but if you don't have that, you would

794
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: lose your mind. Yeah, well, you know what we're talking about,

795
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: shifting baseline, like the your perception of the like what

796
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: our perception of like normal constantly you have too else,

797
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't be able to continue being alive, you know. Yeah,

798
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's going to be like in

799
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: in thirties six years honestly, Steve, I spoke to a

800
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: lot of the government biologists and they they've come over.

801
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't live in Surrey anymore. You guys will live

802
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: on the Bulkley up in the skin of country and

803
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: the biologists will come to my place. And we've had,

804
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, off the record chats about the fact that

805
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: these fish are not going to be here unless we

806
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: seriously put our foot down. But we have to make

807
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: some major changes, and I don't think that the sports

808
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: community or the Angland community is ready to make the changes.

809
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: What are the changes they don't want to make? Uh,

810
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: fishing for them? I mean they like the fish for him. Yeah,

811
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: have you quit? No? I mean yes and no, Like

812
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: I don't look. I don't want to look like I'm

813
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: sitting on a throne and be like, oh, yeah, I've

814
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: stopped fishing for them. Because I think everyone makes this

815
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: decision in their own time. I personally have cut back immensely.

816
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: I probably catch to steelhead a week maybe, and if

817
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: I catch us steelhead a day, I go home. But

818
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I also understand I live on the river. I'm out

819
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: there every single day. I don't I don't expect people

820
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: to make the same decisions I do. So Um, I'm

821
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: really close to stopping, especially because more that I that

822
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: I hunt, and the more that I spend outdoors, you know,

823
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: killing animals, the more I start to question my own

824
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: reasoning for catch and release. And when you start to

825
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: question why you catch and release for me anyway, Again,

826
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: everyone makes this decision at their own time in their life.

827
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: But for me, it was, Um, I catch and release

828
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: because I'm selfish, And I'm okay being selfish to a degree.

829
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a human, I'm an animal. I don't mind

830
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: being a little selfish, But um, I have to choose

831
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: the number on the scale and ask myself, you know

832
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: how important important it is to me? And when I

833
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: start feeling like I'm battling or like I'm compromising my integrity, UM,

834
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: I start to just take a step back. And That's

835
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: where I'm at now. So, UM, I feel like I'm

836
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: really selfish out there these days. You know what I

837
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: had Their day, We're fishing and we were messing around

838
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: with some tarp and and knowing that you're not gonna

839
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: do anything to it if you catch it. When it

840
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: came off, I couldn't make myself care. Yeah, because you

841
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: weren't going to do anything with it anyway, and you

842
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: don't want a photo. Was like, oh that's cool, yeah,

843
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: see you later. But when I'm out there, like, damn

844
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: cool to hook into it. Yeah, But when you're trying

845
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: to take the accomplishment, and then when it came off,

846
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: there was no disappointment. Have you landed a turpan? Though

847
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: I've hooked three miles four in my life, I've hooked one.

848
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: I really want to hold one. The first two I hooked,

849
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: I didn't even. They came out of the water and

850
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: I just I didn't even. I wasn't even fishing at

851
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: that point. I was just shocked. Um. And this last one,

852
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: I held it together for a couple of minutes. It's

853
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: it's impressive you've caught those probably yeah, uh, huntresses, it's

854
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: just hit me, hit me. So you want like you

855
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: reached out April, because you're you're gonna write, you want

856
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: to write a piece about like our use, like what

857
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: is the hunters of grandma unts? Well there are actually

858
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: well hang on, the grandmas don't have I'm right the

859
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: midle of writing this article, so I'm still accumulating my data. Um,

860
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: but the horror the huntress has actually been around for

861
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: a long like since eighteen hundreds, because by definition, a

862
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: huntress is simply a female who hunts. But the grandma

863
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have social media, and social media is bastardizing that ship,

864
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: like it's really bad. Well, I don't have enough because

865
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: like fisherman is more problematic. Well, hang on, hang on,

866
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: hang on, my art I don't have an argument because

867
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: we're I don't know, I know you don't have an argument,

868
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: but I'm dying to get to the part of just

869
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: go ahead. Well, you're putting me on the spot because

870
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: I haven't actually written the article yet, so I haven't

871
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: come up with a conclusion write it. You can't write

872
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: until you think it, and I think about it all

873
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: the time. I am I am by definition a huntress,

874
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, But I don't call myself a huntress

875
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: because I don't identify with the modern day use of

876
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: the word today because temptress, stress, like all these stresses

877
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: are very sexualized and mistress and look a mistress. I

878
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: don't know it, just it just sounds sexy. And I

879
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: think there was like a comic book series with like

880
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: Huntress or something like that. And again I haven't I'm

881
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: right in the middle. He just threw me under the bus,

882
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: by the way. Um, but yeah, I just I I

883
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: think that hunter is so gender neutral. And we're talking

884
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: about this earlier. We're in this fox up excuse me

885
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: age where there's all of this, Like I don't even

886
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: know how to talk politically correct anymore, because everybody is

887
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: affected by something. No I'm talking now, but like I

888
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: just mean, I mean in in in general. In general,

889
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: it's so hard to refer to different people about what

890
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: they are because you don't even know what people's gender is.

891
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 1: So my point is is in today's age, in today's age,

892
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: we do we have this word that is so beautifully simple, right,

893
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: like you hunt and you are a hunter. It's not

894
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: a hunterman or a hunter hunter woman. You are a hunter.

895
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: Like we have the most perfect package of a word,

896
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: and it's still not good enough. Like I just give up. Yeah,

897
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: like when even when when one's working, it's no good.

898
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: The reason I threw you under the you know, the

899
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: reason I brought u up is someone actually rolled in.

900
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but someone rolled in,

901
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: like here's a question for April that they wanted to

902
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: be answered tonight. But it's not this one, but one

903
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: that made me think of this one because this person

904
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: was recently at what do they put it, They're at

905
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: an orientation event at a college in eastern Washington, and

906
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: it was like the person addressing the crowd, what what

907
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: was trying to it seemed to be I'm paraphrasing. It

908
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: seemed to be that their tendency was to say you guys,

909
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: you guys. But they had switched to you all, and

910
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: so the person was one of like, like, does do

911
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: you the person is asking you, like, do you take

912
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: offense by something me saying you guys to you because

913
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: you all is y'all is not politically correct. I mean

914
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: not only they came up with y'all as like a

915
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: gender neutral turn. No, they didn't. Uman. I know it's

916
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: not offensive, but I don't know. I honestly can't relate

917
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: to a lot of the people who are offended by

918
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: that stuff today. I just don't. I don't understand the

919
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: thought process. Have you guys read the subtle art of

920
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: not giving a fuck? No? Read it? It's awesome? Yeah?

921
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: Do you? Um does fisherman? Does fishermen bother you? I know?

922
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: But I get it. I do get it. Like I

923
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: understand if someone wants to call me an angler and

924
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: that makes everyone more comfortable, that's cool. But again, angler,

925
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be like an Anglish English anxtress.

926
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: What is it like a fish stress? If you call

927
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: me a fishtress? Siss. One of the things that I

928
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: asked all these women. I reached out to twenty different

929
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: women from from spear fishing, hunting, and fishing all age groups.

930
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: I interviewed the woman who fishing bikinis and you know,

931
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: the woman who would never who don't even own a bikini,

932
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: and I asked them, you know, what is it? I

933
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: asked on what the fish version is? And there is

934
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: no fish version of a huntress. I mean some angler

935
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: angling women will call themselves a huntress. But um. And

936
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: then actually, I interviewed as a sixty year old female

937
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: angler and she says she doesn't like being identified as

938
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: a fisherman or a an angler because she said it

939
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: made her feel like she didn't have a vagina, so

940
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: she likes to be called I know, but I can't.

941
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: I can't really want to be a fisher woman. And

942
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: as a sixth year old woman who is my senior,

943
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: like I'm, I'm I respect her opinion. Um, but no

944
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: fisherman doesn't offend me or or any of my girlfriends

945
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: who are are really into it. That's why I like

946
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: if i'm when I'm depending on the audience, like I'll

947
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: be writing and I'll catch myself to be inclusive. I'll

948
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: catch myself using hunters and anglers, which is still really clear,

949
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: Like we're not pioneering new words. We're using words that

950
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: have an accepted meaning, and it's not clunky. It's not

951
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: like clunky to say hunters and anglers. And I was

952
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: doing a story not long ago for Outside magazine and

953
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: they were saying, is there what's a way to say

954
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: sportsmen and people have it's it's clunky, it's sportsmen and women,

955
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: which I get the sentiment, but it just like if

956
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't reflect a natural way of talking. Sportsmen sounds

957
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: like sportsmen to me. I don't know, but it's hard

958
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: because like human human, human whatever, we're not going to

959
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: introduce it as like huge humankind mankind. I don't know

960
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: how they I don't know how they fix that sports

961
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: people sports No, it's I think that the accepted one

962
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: now is sportsmen and women. But a problem and like

963
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: everyone's favorite topic is the bitch about PC stuff, which

964
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: like I understand, but like a problem with it. I

965
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: think a problem that's coming into culturally with word choice

966
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: is people are now measuring people. People are not measuring

967
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: one someone's moralities, some world someone's worldview only on the

968
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: only on the words that like on the his the

969
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: words of the use of historic words that come out

970
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: of their mouth, and not anything about like what the

971
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: the overall content that, like what they're trying to say

972
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, that the some package of what you're saying

973
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's just they're like listening for the wrong

974
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: little thing that comes out of your mouth to condemn

975
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: that rather than like the gist of what you're getting at.

976
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 1: And I think that like that's the thing that winds

977
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: up making me uneasy about this. But I do do now.

978
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: I just say hunters and anglers because I like, in

979
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: my heart there's like an inclusivity. But but then at

980
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't like things that that sound weird.

981
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: Whoever said it had to be gender specific? I mean

982
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: that was the when I call somebody a fisherman, that

983
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: means that guy's a fisherman, that guy knows what timing

984
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: is that, or that woman is a hunter, like she

985
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: knows what she's new, and it's like it's a term

986
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: of like it's sugar. I lost my train of thought. Yeah,

987
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: I hear you, man, And to me, it's like unnecessarily divisive.

988
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like I'm stoked that that

989
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: hunters are female. Hunters are the largest like grow like

990
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: there's more the more growth in that than any other

991
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: demographic within hunting in the last recent decades. That's awesome.

992
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to see that. But but but

993
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: why why why do you want to be doing something different,

994
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Like why do you want to go out like huntressing.

995
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: Why can't you just come hunting with the rest of us.

996
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: It's like, it's just it's it feels like it's drawing

997
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: lines when they're like trying to be kind of like

998
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: if women are trying to get in, trying to become

999
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: of the part of the community, like join the community,

1000
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: like be part of be part of the club, don't

1001
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: like have your own thing. It's but the battle you

1002
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: get is the woman and then we'll drop it. But

1003
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: the battle you get is the woman. I'm hearing from

1004
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: who enjoy the word huntress are badass? Like or again

1005
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: you never know that they call themselves huntresses. But they've

1006
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: identified with that word for forty years because the word

1007
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: has been around for a lot a long time. Um,

1008
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: so it's hard to strip that from them. I get it.

1009
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: And I know badass female hunters who who love that word.

1010
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: I know this, this girl who hunts with a long

1011
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: bow and kills deer and Elk every year, and and

1012
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: I heard her read a poem about how her like

1013
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: her huntress heart and stuff. But every time she says that,

1014
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: I just cringe a little bit. I'm like, I just

1015
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: don't really that word, like I could be convinced otherwise.

1016
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm excited to read the story. I'm excited to write

1017
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: the story. Got to write it before you read it.

1018
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: But I feel like, now you've got a lot of material,

1019
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: already had a lot of material before you threw me

1020
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: under the bus. I want to get into this thing

1021
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: that that's come up in New York. It's the Assembly Bill.

1022
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: It's got an exciting name, a O seven to two,

1023
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: which does this, it's interesting, provides that it shall be unlawful.

1024
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: So this is in the state of New York, far

1025
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: away but large, you know, continent and everything. Um, it

1026
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: should be unlawful for any person to organize, sponsor, conduct, promote,

1027
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: or participate in the contest, competition, tournament, or derby where

1028
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: the objective of such contest or competition is to take wildlife.

1029
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: So it would be illegal to have a salmon, illegal

1030
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: to have a salmon derby, illegal to have screl hunting

1031
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: about all these people competing for follows on Instagram? Is

1032
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: that technically illegal? Yeah? The pointing to kill social media right, Well,

1033
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: what I brought up is my dad and I always

1034
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: used to play a game first biggest, most dollar a

1035
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: category and I love that when I was a kid, like,

1036
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe work harder when we're out fishing, and

1037
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 1: would charitable fundraisers three bucks between a dad and his son. Yeah,

1038
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: but like all the charitable fundraisers that are run as Derby's.

1039
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: But I know what they're gunning for. They just it's

1040
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: a it's a sloppily written law. What they're gunning for

1041
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: is like you know, the current like the enemy do

1042
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: your which is like kyote un kyote contests, and then

1043
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: there I think also like shark tournaments. Well there there

1044
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: there's legislation in New Mexico right now that's more narrowly

1045
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: tailored than that that's specifically going after kyote hunts, I believe.

1046
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: But in New York they're just like all of it.

1047
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: Two dudes, I bet you I catch a bigger perch. No,

1048
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: you don't know. It's well that that whole that whole

1049
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: squirrel hunt debacle in New Jersey. Did you do you

1050
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: see this at least that spend your new heart. Yea,

1051
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: you guys already talked about that. Yeah, that was wild,

1052
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: like the just like seeing the news coverage of that

1053
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: and seeing all the signs that people had, like lining

1054
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: the road because there's some times as many protesters as

1055
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: there were people doing it was like a kid's family thing,

1056
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: like get everybody out hunting and stuff. And there was

1057
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 1: some vicious shit about about hunters that I got hard

1058
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: hard even to repeat when years ago, Like the first

1059
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: the first assignment I did for for Outside and I

1060
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: begin writing for them years ago, is to cover a

1061
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: shark tournament in New York called Mako Madness, And I

1062
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: interviewed a proponent of Mako Madness, and he was just

1063
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: saying that, sorry, an opponent, he didn't didn't like the tournaments.

1064
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: And his take was I don't like applying a carnival

1065
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: atmosphere to like the killing of game, which was his perspective. Yeah,

1066
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: but he wasn't a fisherman, right, he was a fisherman,

1067
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: he was. That's interesting. Yeah, so he actually served me

1068
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: some mako shark okay, okay, Well that's interesting then, because

1069
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a there's a deeper conversation we

1070
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: had there because I've always been kind of uncomfortable with

1071
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: like bass Master Classic and that kind of that thing,

1072
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because I think fishing is is

1073
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: is it's kind of a spiritual activity, at least to me.

1074
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: It's it's like where you go to find peace and

1075
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: calm and quiet and really, you know, work on your

1076
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: thoughts and your life philosophy and deal with things and

1077
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: be with friends and commune with nature. And and to

1078
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: see people putting a two hundred horse outboard on the

1079
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: back of a sixteen foot boat that's covered in glitter

1080
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: and it I mean, I mean when I was a

1081
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: kid and when I was eight, if you'd ask me

1082
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with your life? I would

1083
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: have said professional bass fishermen. But they're not hurting the resource.

1084
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: They're not hurting the resource, and it's all catch or

1085
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: at least I mean the way they hold the bass

1086
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: by the lip and crank their neck like there's some science,

1087
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: new science out that's saying that's not the best handling practices.

1088
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: That's not my that's not my issue. But the carnival thing,

1089
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: like I mean that that resonates on some level that

1090
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: that to to put like an unnecessary just competitive car. Yeah,

1091
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: just it's just so, it's just it's also seems so

1092
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: loud and loudness to it. But I still opposed, like

1093
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: I opposed the limits. I opposed the drictions because I'm

1094
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: always looking at when when I think about something like this,

1095
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm aways looking at like what is the end game?

1096
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: What is the end game of the person pushing for it?

1097
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: And I think that I think I don't agree with

1098
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: their end game, and so no more fun. Yeah, well,

1099
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: I I disagree with the unintended consequences, perhaps more because

1100
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, are they gonna ban like the little cute

1101
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: trout Derby's they do in Central Park? Yes, yeah, exactly,

1102
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: Like who's that hurting? You're not even you can't promote it,

1103
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: so you can't even staple the sign to a tree

1104
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: anymore about it. Um, here's a question for someone, Dan Curtis,

1105
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: he's here tonight, his wife Grace. They got a question.

1106
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: It was a long question. I'm trimming it down to

1107
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: a line. Uh, what is the level of etiquette that

1108
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: a hunter should expect upon gifting prime time meet to someone?

1109
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: Prime time like high quality? Mine is high? Like I

1110
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: expect like like when I give something. If I give

1111
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: someone the gift of fisher fishing game, I have very

1112
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: like for them to please me. I need to see

1113
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: a high level of care and then you see prompt use.

1114
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: And that was one of the nicest things when I

1115
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: was living here and Magnolia. I had my neighbor on

1116
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: that side, my neighbor on that side, and my neighbor

1117
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: across from me, and I gave them all a lot

1118
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: of fishing game and they all cooked it real quick like,

1119
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: and it would share with me, sometimes even with photographs,

1120
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: what they had done with it. And then I would

1121
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: the next day bring them more stuff like I would.

1122
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 1: I would constantly bring stuff over to these guys because

1123
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: I was seeing that return. If you give something and

1124
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: you find in their freezer six months later, I've taken

1125
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: it back. I I was just up at my parents house.

1126
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: My Hi Mom, Hi Dad, And I want you to

1127
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: know that I've started to check your freeze or and

1128
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: I see that you still have some of my elk,

1129
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: and so I'm instituting a rule that I'm not giving

1130
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: anymore until I find that it's depleted. You got it,

1131
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: And she sends me great photos of of the and

1132
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: she's an amazing uh pastry chef and does really cool

1133
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: stuff with it and sends me snapchats or whatever the

1134
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: whole process, and I love that. I think that's a

1135
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: great feedback loop that i'd encourage people to implement. I

1136
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: scored a really good hunt permission one time where a

1137
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: guy let me on his place, his farm, and I

1138
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: just asked, can I hunt squirrels on your farm? No

1139
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: one else was hunt squirrels. And I got some squirrels

1140
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: and went home and made dinner with the squirrels and

1141
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: texted him a picture of what I made with his squirrels.

1142
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: He texted me back that I can hunt deer and

1143
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: elk on his place or deer in Turkey's on his place. Yeah,

1144
01:04:55,080 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: he was so impressive. People like to see it. That's

1145
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: all it takes. How to score your next deer hunting permission?

1146
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: Right there, Steven Ronnellae that squirrel and he'll let you

1147
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: hunt in his place. Yeah. I was gonna say if

1148
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: I like I get some meat recently to some folks,

1149
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: and um, I haven't heard back from them, but it

1150
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: got me thinking because I was gonna ask him next

1151
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: time I run into him. You know what you do

1152
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: how was it whatever? Because recently I did that with

1153
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: some other folks that had given me too, maybe six

1154
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: months ago, and I was like, hey, what did you

1155
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: do with the hall of it some hollibd that you've

1156
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: given me? And uh, I got the answer like, yeah,

1157
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: we ate it. I was like, you just say that

1158
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: that's all you got for me, and it's kind of

1159
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, it's good you tell

1160
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: the story that way because that better reflects. That better

1161
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: reflects what the question was, because the question was about

1162
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: a gift and there was no you know, like, so

1163
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: how was it? There was no you wanted the person

1164
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: to be like this, but wait a second, so you

1165
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: regifted his halibut though, yeah, so how do you feel

1166
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: on your healibet? Well, if I gave that's fine. I

1167
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 1: just I only care about the end. If I gave

1168
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: someone something and then they gave it to someone and

1169
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: that person came and was like this to me, that's great.

1170
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: It's just knowing that because in my mind, I'm doing

1171
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,959
Speaker 1: people just a normal good turn, but I'm also doing

1172
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: like I'm also trying to like publicly elevate the status

1173
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: of the resource so that people will look at the

1174
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: water and look look at the mountain or whatever, and

1175
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: they'll be like, Oh, there's that thing, this thing, this giant,

1176
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that produced this wonderful thing that I ate,

1177
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: and therefore I recognize the value of the of the

1178
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: producing habitat. I'm kind of getting at and I'm also

1179
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of trying to be like a nice dude, but yeah,

1180
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: like bringing up like elevating the resources, elevating the things

1181
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: that promote the resources, and so I don't give a

1182
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: ship who in the end wise though, having it another question,

1183
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: and this is like a really like you and I

1184
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: talked to April. You and I talked about this one

1185
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot a long time ago. But this is this

1186
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: is a good This is an ethics conundrum where someone

1187
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: don't don't what's that thing like, don't like killing the messenger.

1188
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm reading up this, I'm paraphrasing A thing of dude

1189
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: is saying how the pursuit of white tales with a

1190
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: bow is one of the only times and inferior implement

1191
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: is considered morally superior. Using a spear would be further

1192
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: inferior and difficult. But there are very few advocating the

1193
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: moral purity of spear hunting. That's like a very legitimate point.

1194
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: It's like people feel great about using a bow but

1195
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: not a gun. But and if you use a spear,

1196
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: you lose all your sponsorships. Remember that dude that Yeah,

1197
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: that's what people didn't celebrate him. It was. So it's

1198
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: like rifle, this kind of moral um bow, this kind

1199
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: of moral spear. It's confusing. That's always confusing some states.

1200
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: And he's not done. He's not done. Likewise, a person

1201
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: could choose to commute in a model T or hand

1202
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: saw lumber for a home construction project. Making those choices

1203
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: would certainly make the tasks more arduous, But I doubt

1204
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: anyone considers the Model T commuter stuck in the Lincoln

1205
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 1: Tunnel to morally superior to those in air conditioned cars.

1206
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: Choosing a weapon which increases the perceived personal reward level

1207
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: for the hunter at the expense of a quick, in

1208
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: humane kill is a dreadful, selfish act. His words. Let

1209
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: the hunt be challenging, Let the train be difficult, the

1210
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: game reclusive and wary, the location parallel, perilous to access,

1211
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: add difficult to do the hunt in places where the

1212
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,919
Speaker 1: quick dispatch of an animal doesn't hang in the balance.

1213
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: When it comes time to complete the most important task

1214
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: of hunting, choosing a weapon with the highest likelihood of

1215
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: an ethical and immediate kill is the highest moral ground.

1216
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 1: So what's the question? I like this guy. The question is, uh,

1217
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: you would express this to me before I had questioned you,

1218
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: before you question about it. I'm just wondering where you're

1219
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: at on it, because that like a say yeah, I

1220
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: put I hold like I struggle with how to. I

1221
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: know that I can tear his argument down. I just

1222
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: know that it's it's hard to do it. Look, I'm

1223
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: do it a minute. Do you want it? I'm gonna

1224
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: try go for it. I want you to go first. Well,

1225
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: I had asked Steve when I had Steve on my show,

1226
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: I had asked Steve if it was more ethical to

1227
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: kill with a bow or a gun, because I hear

1228
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: conflicting reports and I've only been hunting for I don't

1229
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: know four years, So for me, I was hearing all

1230
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: sorts of different reports, and a lot of people were

1231
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: telling me that a bow was more humane, and um,

1232
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: the more I looked into it, the more I was

1233
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: finding that's actually kind of a gray area. So no,

1234
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: it's not a gray area. Well, do you think that

1235
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: they like look at capital punishment? Do you feel that

1236
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: you could you imagine a situation where the administered capital

1237
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: punishment with archery equipment, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, they use

1238
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: those guillotine broadheads, like a big nine inch cutting blade guillotine. Bro. So,

1239
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: since leaving you and and looking more into it, like

1240
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: this year I went out with a gun. I was

1241
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: going to fully try to get one with a gun.

1242
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: I get stuck in limited situations when a when I've

1243
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: got my baby on my back, I'm obviously stuck with

1244
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: a bow. I'm not going to take a shot with

1245
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: her on my back with a gun. And um, some

1246
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: of the properties that I hunt like in Australia especially,

1247
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: I can't have a gun, so I'm limited to the

1248
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: bow and same with obviously different seasons. But if I

1249
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: can take an for me, I wanted to be the

1250
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: most most ethical shot possible. I know we had this conversation,

1251
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: you said, the animal doesn't care. You know it's going

1252
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: to die. But I would like to get as close

1253
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: to the animal as possible, so I know I'm making

1254
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: the most accurate shot as possible. I don't care if

1255
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: it's a gun or a bow, but I need to

1256
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: know it's the most humane shot that I can make

1257
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: given my situation, whether I've got the baby or whether

1258
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: I've got um property access. Like when I think about

1259
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: the question, I think about why, Like I see what

1260
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: he's getting at is the only thing about I think

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: that he's um. He's stripping this like really complicated thing

1262
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: down to a simple thing, because like taking something that

1263
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: has many inputs and considerations and acting like the one

1264
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: consideration is like is how quickly one can administer death

1265
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: to this thing you're trying to hunt for? And it's

1266
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: like I guess you, I guess. Just to give a

1267
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: really honest answer about it, is I have a lot

1268
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: of other factors that I'm considering in and you also

1269
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: have you also have like resource level things where the

1270
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: lack of efficacy if like if bows, if a bow

1271
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: is less less effective than a gun, the lack of

1272
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: efficacy allows more people to participate in the activity. That's

1273
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: why in so many places you can get an over

1274
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: to everybody that wants can go archery hunting for something,

1275
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: but every thebody that wants can't go rifle hunting for

1276
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: something is because the efficacy does it so if we

1277
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: were really going to play the game to the end,

1278
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: it would probably be that you had to put out

1279
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: like a specific bait laced with um like lace with

1280
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: a sleeping agent in a poison. If you're really if

1281
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: the only goal was always like if the only thing

1282
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: that hunters cared about was just like administering death as

1283
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: quickly as possible, you'd use grenade launcher, you know what

1284
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like if you no, I'm saying,

1285
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna chase that, if that's gonna be the

1286
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: only thing you care about, the only thing you chase.

1287
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've really arrived at the right answer,

1288
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: because it's just more complicated. And I do think that,

1289
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: like if you factor in that that if you hit

1290
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: someone with a bow and you get a shot and

1291
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: you double along it, it has enough time to go

1292
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: twenty yards and die, or it falls over and dies

1293
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: much more quickly. UM. I think that hunting is like that,

1294
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: there's a selfish act. What you're like, you're doing a

1295
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: thing for a bunch of personal reasons, and in in

1296
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: the reward one gets for doing it in a in

1297
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: a way like a difficult way, like a bow and

1298
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: the amount of discipline and skill that it takes. It's

1299
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cold calculation, but maybe that reward

1300
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: that one feels outweighs that three seconds of right like

1301
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: that gain for you and your calculus outweighs the three

1302
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: seconds of stress that the thing has as it crosses

1303
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: the stage and dies over there. Maybe for some people,

1304
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: not for me. I would take any weapon then I

1305
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: feel I can get the job done with most efficiently

1306
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: fastest I just have. I started with a bow and

1307
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: it just kind of stuck from there. First gun I

1308
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 1: really shot, was it your house is right? Yeah? I

1309
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: still shot that motherfucker in your backyard. That's good. N

1310
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know when hunt became like morally better? People

1311
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 1: act like it's way more you say people. You say people,

1312
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: but what people are? They all name names, I know,

1313
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: but they're like a group or like can you break

1314
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: it down? And I feel like it was just a

1315
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: piece in the wall street That's what I'm hearing. And

1316
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: Sam just hit it on the head. And same reason

1317
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: with why I started with the bow hunting is that

1318
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: I was everybody would be like or people I would

1319
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: meet be like, oh yeah, Hunt, But I'm a bow hunter,

1320
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: so as a non hunter someone looking to get into it,

1321
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: I kept hearing this and I thought, well, that's just

1322
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the rednecks who shoot guns. And I

1323
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: heard someone just say fly fisherman and that that is

1324
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: for me. It was a lot of that. A lot

1325
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: of these fly fishermen were getting into or into bow hunting,

1326
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 1: and they would they would say that there were parallels

1327
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,480
Speaker 1: and that it was the equivalent to fly fishing. Um,

1328
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: And they just made it sound like it was more ethical.

1329
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: And that's why I asked you, is it more ethical?

1330
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: Because these bow hunters were saying to me, yeah, you

1331
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: don't interrupt the environment, you know with the sound, which

1332
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: is ridiculous because I was bow hunting all fall and

1333
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: I could hear guns everywhere, like it didn't didn't make

1334
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: a difference where I was. Um. But the more I

1335
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: think about just the I just I don't know, I

1336
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: don't see how it is more ethical. Can you guys

1337
01:15:55,240 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: prove me? Theoretically? Leveling the playing fields somehow doing people

1338
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: that don't hunt, or they're like, oh, you're giving them

1339
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, Oh well I had to sneak up instead

1340
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: of just you know, you've got guys now eight yards away,

1341
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: and you know the whole people, you know, non hunters.

1342
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: You know, I live in Seattle, I'm surrounded by him.

1343
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's lots of ways to pass judgment, but

1344
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: it's an easier way to gain some sort of you know,

1345
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: legitimacy to it being it's like, well, it's hard, you know,

1346
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. Is hard. Let's be straight. It's not

1347
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: harder for me to hard to worry about hard ethical

1348
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Hard is not ethical. It's two different things that you're asking.

1349
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: The question is to why it's relevant. Yeah, and and

1350
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: and it is. It is a lot of non I

1351
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: think this bring that forward. And I also think that

1352
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: like new hunters to like, I've had a lot of

1353
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: my friends who have got into hunting in their late

1354
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: twenties early thirties, and it's been fascinating to me to

1355
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: see the issues they have to wrestle with that have never,

1356
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, never never bothered me. Like you know that,

1357
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, I I grew up like like shoulder

1358
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: deep in salmon guts and and and you know, bonking

1359
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: fish on the head and and helping put your deer

1360
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: and and all that. So like the death part has

1361
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: never you know it. I think I kind of walked

1362
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: walked over that threshold before I had quite the mental

1363
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: capacity to really wrestle with it. So it's always felt

1364
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: very natural. But people who are coming into it later

1365
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: really have to surpass some of these difficult questions, like

1366
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 1: how they feel about taking a life just for the

1367
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: sake of sport and sustaining their own life. And I

1368
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: think some people, I think a lot of people feel

1369
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: better about that if it feels more fair to them.

1370
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: And what I always say is rifle hunting for ELK

1371
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: is plenty fair. Like I mean, in Washington, it's gonna

1372
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: be less than ten percent of people who buy an

1373
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 1: ELK down matter where successful. Yeah, absolutely so. I'm like,

1374
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: if you want to be hard, only walk backward, Like

1375
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: only walk backward with a rifle is really challenging, Yeah,

1376
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: Or be responsible rifle hunter, like like you guys do.

1377
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: Like a rule you guys have that I've adopted of

1378
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: not taking shots past four hundred. I mean, I haven't

1379
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: taken a shot past three hundred and long in long,

1380
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: long time. It's just a close in the gap. That's

1381
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: all it was for me, was closing the gap. I

1382
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 1: still if I have a gun in my hand, would

1383
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: rather get closer? Sure? Yeah, just for me, It's all

1384
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: about closing the gap. It's the fun part. Okay. If

1385
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: you could, uh, if you could snap your fingers and

1386
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: automatically be an absolute master of one hunting and fishing skill.

1387
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: What would the skill be? Sneaking up on stuff? Okay? Yeah?

1388
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: Figuring out how to stay quiet, keep my heart rate

1389
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: under control, just like deep breath, see what I'm doing,

1390
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: get the wind right, not let my the excitement of

1391
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: the moment, just taking that deep breath and figuring out,

1392
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: all right, the winds this way. I need to go

1393
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: this way like my once I can because I have

1394
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: good notes, I can like once I'm in it, all

1395
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, my old game plan in every magazine

1396
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: or book or podcast, the thing that I've read goes

1397
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: out the window, and it's like my heart rates at

1398
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: like one forty and I'm like, you know, and then

1399
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to do everything correctly. Yeah, if I could

1400
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: just stay calm for a minute, that would be mine.

1401
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: Are you hip to guys who have been using beta

1402
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: blockers to do that? Well? Define beta blockers. I've pretty

1403
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: much tried everything. No, it's like, what the hell is it.

1404
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a medication. People take the medication

1405
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: for some reasons then find that they don't get buck

1406
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: fever anymore. Yeah, and like you're not like there's it's

1407
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: a band substance. Like people that shoot, uh competitive pistol

1408
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: shooting and stuff, they can't use beta blockers calms you

1409
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: down too much. Maybe I should look into beta blockers. Yeah,

1410
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: guys talk about get no. Dudes say that their doctor

1411
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: would put them on a beta blocker. And also they

1412
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: realized that when a buck comes in, they don't get

1413
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: panicky as panicky. I don't get panicky. I just get

1414
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, in the moment you're there. I just li

1415
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: show wasn't better right if one skill quiet and just

1416
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: quiet as a generality, mentally quiet, mentally quiet, and then

1417
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: also just to be able to read this sick of

1418
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: the circumstance. I think the one thing that like the

1419
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: thing that I missed out on is um it was

1420
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: lazy about is all forms of calling because I've always

1421
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: was for whatever reason, uh would be with someone who

1422
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: is better at it than me and then let them

1423
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: be the one that did it. And that went on

1424
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: and on and on that went on and on and

1425
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: on and now here I'm in like my forties and

1426
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: I've always like my early when I was a little kid,

1427
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: my lollard Danny was a really good caller, So we

1428
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: hunt a dugs. He is called to shut up because

1429
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: Danny was good at it, and then like you know,

1430
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: hunting out with the honest. Honest is a great caller,

1431
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 1: so he just calls um and yeah, missing out on

1432
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: like like that that and it's never too late, but

1433
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: that that I didn't cultivate that skill and I'm only

1434
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: now just like a you know, getting better at it.

1435
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: Well I kind of suck at it. I mean I

1436
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: make up for it in other ways a little bit.

1437
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that's been a real miss man.

1438
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm sorry interrupt, But the process is fun.

1439
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean I get this game, and I enjoy playing

1440
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 1: the game and just throwing out something that we could

1441
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: just like not have to learn and experience to get better.

1442
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: But like if we're not sitting here saying that we

1443
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: don't enjoy like going through learning buck fever and how

1444
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: to you know, get over it and learning calls for

1445
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we've been at it for twenty years

1446
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: now of like was freaking latex and glue in our mouths.

1447
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: Just yeah, you know, is over and over and over

1448
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: and and but like you got to enjoy that, that

1449
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: not being good and becoming good. I think that process right, Yeah,

1450
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: I think the journey was seemed hard for me. You

1451
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: know that's my regret. You didn't enjoy it? No, I

1452
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it. Yeah. I if I could and snap

1453
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: my fingers, become a master or something, I improve my

1454
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: my archery shot I've been doing. I've been doing an

1455
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: archery league at that little shop down the street from

1456
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: the office, and god have been a mess, Like because

1457
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: I archery practice has always been like a solitary thing

1458
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: for me. I'd like you shoot my backyard growing up,

1459
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: or go out to the range and zula by myself.

1460
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: But shooting with the last week they had like a

1461
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: they had like a steel barrel on a swivel that

1462
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: would like go around to both ends were cut off

1463
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: and it would like it wasn't it wasn't like a

1464
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: slow spit. Oh my god. It threw me to what

1465
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: the hell is that supposed to teach you? But I don't,

1466
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, like as like an elk passes through

1467
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: the gap like yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, But I mean

1468
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: having a bunch of people around and like, you know,

1469
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: coming into it cold. Like the first day I rolled

1470
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: up and I was already late. Everybody had started, and

1471
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: I like, pull out my bow and get ready. I'm like, oh,

1472
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: all broadheads great, and one still has elk long all

1473
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: over it. Um, And so it's just I just, uh, yeah,

1474
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: I could do so much to be a better bosh.

1475
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for fifteen years, and I still

1476
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: feel like I have a long ways to go to

1477
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: reach that, you know, those that ten thousand hours or

1478
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: reach mastery. Uh. One last thing I want to touch

1479
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: on and then we're gonna play our game. Oh you

1480
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: just did it. Did you know? What was my thing

1481
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: that I was going to become? The process of column

1482
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: I was just enjoying. You can go three times. I

1483
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: don't care. He wants some master enjoying the process of

1484
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 1: learning things. Oh yeah, please. Um. If I could just

1485
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: snap my fingers and just like one thing I could

1486
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: just master in the whole honey and fishing world, it

1487
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: would just be how to manifest and just conjure up animals,

1488
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: Like when I look at that hill and be like

1489
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: there he is the manifestations is dad knows how to manifest? Yeah? No,

1490
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: in all, in all seriousness, it'd be tracking. Oh yeah,

1491
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: to have that skill just to like without even like

1492
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: bending over from six ft too well, my eyes are

1493
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: probably at six ft just to look down and be

1494
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: able to just to see, you know, way ahead, just follow,

1495
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, the best guy. The best people I know

1496
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: that are people that refer trappers. Yes, I agree, because

1497
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: just like for hours every day, hours every day you

1498
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: being one of those people and little teeny clues man,

1499
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: little teeny clues. Um, okay, we gotta do our deal.

1500
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: How are we gonna you know, we didn't do Simon,

1501
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what we didn't do giving stuff away

1502
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: to to to do seeing through the bullshit? Oh right, yeah.

1503
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: But there's the thing I want to talk about real quick,

1504
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: and so many people are written in about it. It's

1505
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: like this is one of those you guys don't need

1506
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: to say anything. But we've had so many people right

1507
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 1: in about uh, a border wall on our southern border,

1508
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Like what does a border wall mean for wildlife? And

1509
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: like every day someone writes in the box has been

1510
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: in the news so much. But whether we're gonna build

1511
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: the border wall or not. But I find that people

1512
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 1: get mad, Like people don't want to hear the answer.

1513
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: They don't want to hear about it because they don't

1514
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: want it to um challenge. However, they feel about it

1515
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: because you could have, you could have. There's a very

1516
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 1: legitimate argument to be made. You want to build a

1517
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: border wall, and you should be able to think that well,

1518
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: knowing everything that that would mean. Right, like if you're

1519
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: saying too, if you're talking with your spouse, but whether

1520
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna go on vacation, and you decide like we're

1521
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: gonna go on vacation, and then someone points out, well,

1522
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: if you go on vacation, we're gonna have less money

1523
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: and our savings account. No one gets mad at you

1524
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: for pointing that out. So does the wall affect wildlife?

1525
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: Like how could it? Like? Absolutely it does. It cuts

1526
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: off like people keep writing in about like it's some

1527
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of mystery. You're denying access to water, to certain things,

1528
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: and you're preventing the movement of animals. And since since

1529
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: the dawn of time, wildlife has moved freely back and

1530
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: forth across the border, and like jaguars come in and

1531
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 1: out awesol lots come in and out, desert, big horns,

1532
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: prong horns, cou's deer, mule deer in some places, even

1533
01:26:54,640 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: bison um. And then historically you had speci ease that

1534
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: would like, for instance, at that they think that at

1535
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: the end of the place the scene, we lost mountain

1536
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: lions and what's now the Lower forty eight and mountain

1537
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: lions only lived to the south and recononized back and forth.

1538
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: So there's always been this exchange going on. Um. And

1539
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: if you are saying you want to if one's gonna

1540
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: build an impenetrable wall, you're gonna impede the exchange. But

1541
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: that that's not like solving the question of whether it

1542
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: needs to happen in my mind, But it's just like

1543
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: a factor that one has to wait. But like people

1544
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: get pissed when you bring it up. I think you

1545
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: could bring it up and realize that that's the truth

1546
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: and still think that that's what you want to do,

1547
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: But it's just the reality. I know guys who hunt

1548
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: that border country you live down there, who are super

1549
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: worried about it things. I think it's gonna mess up

1550
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: there deer hunting. Yeah, I know people who are worried

1551
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: about uh people coming across. I know those people in

1552
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: that danger and worried about the danger of wildlife. It's

1553
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: just a big It's just a big it's a it's

1554
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: a massive issue. But people right in acting as though

1555
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: like there's like this sort of debatable answer. But I

1556
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: feel like it's like not debatable. It would be they

1557
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: would have implications for wildlife doggie doors or something to

1558
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: That's what I keep wondering about. Man, I haven't heard

1559
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: a guy. I even heard a guy making the case. Yeah,

1560
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: a special code that animals doggie door for desert mule here,

1561
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: and yeah code doggie door a little thing. I've even

1562
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: heard people talk about the implications for lowifying birds and insects.

1563
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, do guys. I'm talking about our hardcore quail

1564
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: hunters who hunt like right down by the border. And

1565
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine quail. I couldn't figure it out.

1566
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 1: But they don't tend to fly super high, so it

1567
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: might be problematic. I don't know how are we gonna

1568
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: pick someone who play see through the bullshit? I gotta

1569
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: figure it out, do it. I'll combine it with our

1570
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: other thing that we're gonna do you like that. I

1571
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: love it, and I'm just gonna go for the upper

1572
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: end of yeah. Alright, So a couple of things we're

1573
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna do tonight. Well, I'm just gonna bring anybody down first, Okay,

1574
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: if it's your birthday today, not tomorrow, not yesterday, but today,

1575
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: come on down to the stage. Is there anybody in

1576
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: the house? Was birthday? Is it today? Oh? Yeah? Birthday?

1577
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: Birthday too, that's it. We need the oldest person who's

1578
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: having a birthday now. But then you're disqualified. You're disqualified

1579
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,879
Speaker 1: from the other thing you get for having a birthday.

1580
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: I was just gonna be super nice to them and

1581
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: the um zora come down. How many we got? Looks

1582
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: like I see more change? Thirty five? Is anybody older

1583
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: than thirty five today? Heard us? They're coming down. They'll

1584
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: be about an hour and they'll be down here telling

1585
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the rules. Jannes first Seen through the Bullshit? All right,

1586
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:04,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a game called seeing through the Bullshit.

1587
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: You might also know as a I've never played the

1588
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:14,480
Speaker 1: drinking version of Two Lies and the Truth? Have you

1589
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 1: no anybody here? Oh? How old are you? That's all right?

1590
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: That's all right, hang out, hang out. That we got

1591
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 1: more though, coming down from the old time, We're coming

1592
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 1: from up high. Okay, So telling the rules. Um so,

1593
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: whoever we choose pick, We're gonna tell you, guys, uh,

1594
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: two lies and one truth, and then if you can

1595
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: guess which one is the true story, then you've seen

1596
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: through the bullshit, seen through the bullshit. Get to take

1597
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: home this brand new pair of Fury laser range finding

1598
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: binoculars that will laser range find reflective stuff at five

1599
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: thousand yards and deer at a thousand plus. Steve's hitting

1600
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: some couz deer in January. Um at, like with these sockers,

1601
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: lifetime warranty. Hold you So, how do you No one's

1602
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: gonna beat that. It's not all right? Coming up? I'm

1603
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 1: getting okay, So you're giving up your spot? I am okay.

1604
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: So what happened to our person? She's coming coming, come

1605
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: coming back, coming upstairs? There it is, Come on out.

1606
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: What's your name? I gotta see where you right here? Hi,

1607
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: nice to meet you there, Take my scene, take my hand.

1608
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Happy birthday. So what's your name? Clari? Okay, Clary.

1609
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you sister, just so she knows, gonna

1610
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: sit close to her so that possibly they can pick

1611
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: up her voice on my microphone. Are you comfortable with that? Okay?

1612
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: Where you're not American? England? Okay, welcome. All these stories

1613
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: are distinctly American. How long have you been here? Okay,

1614
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: you're a good all right? Did you hear the rules

1615
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: for the game? Okay, you're busy walking down. So we're

1616
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. Um, who's telling them? Sam? April. I'm

1617
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story. April's gonna tell a story. I'm

1618
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story. Sam's gonna tell a story. It's

1619
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story. One of them is true. You

1620
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: just need to identify the true one. Let's start with

1621
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: your honest Okay. Um, everybody knows that you can take

1622
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: goats and put them in a pen and goats, yes,

1623
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: and forced them to eat knap weed and other types

1624
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: of weeds, and then you can let them. They'll they'll

1625
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: sort of become accustomed to it, and and that will become

1626
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: their diet. When you coutmeme loose out in the wild,

1627
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: they'll eat the weeds and they don't eat the native

1628
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: And that's the way that we here in the States

1629
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: we get rid of weeds out on you know, wide

1630
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 1: open pastures in the forest. It is well, it gets better.

1631
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: So there's a problem here in Washington where there's a

1632
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: pod of orca's. You may have heard of the Southern pod,

1633
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: southern resident pod that only eat chinook sal salmon, right,

1634
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: have you heard about this? Oh? Well, you people, just

1635
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be you guys are gonna be

1636
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: allowed to help later. We're gonna let you help later,

1637
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: but let us get through the stories before you start.

1638
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: You all, you all. I wouldn't trust them quite yet

1639
01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:01,480
Speaker 1: because they have no idea. Yes everything hunters and huntresses,

1640
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: thank you hunters huntresses. So so even you irrational ones

1641
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: out there. Um, okay, So there's uh state of Washington

1642
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 1: that they got a problem with these orcas because there's

1643
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: not enough salmon for them to eat, so they're getting

1644
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: skinny and they they're they're not doing well. So, um,

1645
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: there's another pot of orcas out that that go up

1646
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: and down the coast that eat mammals like sea lions,

1647
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: seals and whatnot. So what they're thing about doing is

1648
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: making a net and capturing a few of these Southern

1649
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: pod orcas and actually taking seals that they've caught and

1650
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: like cutting off a fin or a chunk of the

1651
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 1: tail and putting it in the net with these orcas

1652
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 1: to sort of start getting the orcas to feed on

1653
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 1: these um the seals to then turn them into predators

1654
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: that work off the seals and not be just you know,

1655
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: so uh um so word I'm looking for. We're relying

1656
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: on the salmon. Okay, they're just looking into that. Okay,

1657
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: that's fine. Now you're familiar with the state of Wyoming. Okay,

1658
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: there's a big reservoir called Flaming Gorge and whelming a

1659
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: dude is they're fishing, and he cuts his thumb off

1660
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: on his boat prop in July, Okay, that winner. A

1661
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: feller is fishing through the ice and catches a lake trout,

1662
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: opens it's got up and finds a thumb in its gut.

1663
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: They connect the feller that lost his thumb with the

1664
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: feller that found the thumb. The guy comes and has

1665
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: a look and he says, I think that's my thumb.

1666
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 1: And he now keeps the thumb in a are formalde

1667
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: hyde on his mantelpiece. Care, Sam, So are you familiar

1668
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: with Catalina Island off of southern California. So for a

1669
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: very long time. They've had problems with feral goats eating. Yes, big,

1670
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 1: big problems. They can't get rid of them. It's a

1671
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: big island, very rugged terrain. They've tried all sorts of

1672
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: different solutions for getting rid of them. Back in the seventies,

1673
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Speaker 1: the US Fish and Wildlife Service proposed planting coyotes on

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Speaker 1: the island, which would naturally kind of take care of

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Speaker 1: the goats. But obviously they're worried about creating a new

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Speaker 1: invasive species. So what they proposed to do was plant

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Speaker 1: a subcutaneous cyanide pill inside the coyotes digestive tract that

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Speaker 1: would break down over the years, so after they've done

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Speaker 1: their jobs, they would expire with cyanide. No, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: somebody else could then eat them and then they die.

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Speaker 1: And you may be unfamiliar with the goofy stuff wild

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Speaker 1: game managers have done in this country. Talking about the seventies,

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Speaker 1: that's when animals were harmed in the making of movies.

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Speaker 1: That's when they were capturing its thumb back from the

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Speaker 1: belly of a lake trout or the orchid project that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna start feeding them new um cut up seals

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Speaker 1: to get them to turn them into better predators or

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Speaker 1: the cyanide pill filled coyotes. I'm you got it here,

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Speaker 1: It's okay. Here's the thing they are. Someone in Australia

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Speaker 1: is looking at how to do a time capsule death dingo,

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Speaker 1: that's where we got it from. That's where we got

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Speaker 1: it from. It won't happen. I guess Australia's bigger than

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Speaker 1: what do you can do with those? You win a

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Speaker 1: prize a really nice price. That's a paraminoculars that have

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Speaker 1: a laser range finder built into him. Oh oh did you?

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask, are you sure you came

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Speaker 1: to the right show tonight? Up? My chicken thinking why

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Speaker 1: are they gonna stall singing? That's coming next? The Power.

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Speaker 1: We're like, don't cry for me, Argentina. Oh wonderful, thank

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Speaker 1: you about appreciate