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Speaker 2: We just played an intense game of pig, in tense

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Speaker 4: But I texted Will yesterday and I said, Will, what

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Speaker 4: And he laid out a show plan, some Duke stuff,

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Speaker 4: And had I known that, I would have I would

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Speaker 4: have came more prepared. I would have my whole day

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Speaker 4: would have been different. I'll put it that way. So

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Speaker 3: Well, here's and let me have Will side for a second.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys probably got at least I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, ten to fifteen warm up shots. Why why? What?

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Speaker 1: But but usually when people play Pig and someone comes

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Speaker 3: And you didn't have to come in mid game. Well

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Speaker 3: And then on the way over here we got stuck

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Speaker 1: So just shit happens, man, A lot of adversity when

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Speaker 3: But just to argue with you a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: When you and I were sitting in the corner of

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Speaker 3: They're like three times the size that the ball you

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Speaker 2: Are you always aware when you walk into like a

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Speaker 3: Let them finish. Let them fish and finish. Nobody laugh.

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Speaker 4: No, but I'm just saying if we, if we, if

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Speaker 4: Well, I quit in seventh grade. That's the thing my

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If you mound that clothes back to the dug out.

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Speaker 4: Honest with you, your listeners know this, this is mores

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Speaker 1: From area I grew up, grew up in Asa, born

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Speaker 3: It's a real place. Yeah, Baco lead okay. Cigarettes.

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Speaker 4: For a long time in my life, I'm out of conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: and Will because we're best friends, so it's easy for

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Speaker 1: us to come up here, and because what we do

439
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Speaker 1: in the podcast we literally do outside, right, So if

440
00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,680
Speaker 1: it's just us too, it's never a difficult thing. Having

441
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Speaker 1: a guest on is not a difficult thing for us

442
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Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, we can bounce

443
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Speaker 1: back off each other, you know, and we wait.

444
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Speaker 3: But it took us time in reps to learn that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with Tommy, I think that was part

446
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Speaker 4: of the reason that I wanted Tommy as a co host,

447
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Speaker 4: which our last season of The Ringer, he was trying

448
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Speaker 4: to get me to do it, and I was like,

449
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Speaker 4: I could. I'll be honestly, I don't really want to

450
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Speaker 4: do it anymore. So we did it for a few

451
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Speaker 4: months together, and then COVID hit Pandemic, hit World shutdown.

452
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Speaker 4: We have both simultaneously discovered Zoom and we're like, oh,

453
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Speaker 4: we don't have to do these in person. We can

454
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Speaker 4: do them, you know, over the internet and put some

455
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Speaker 4: content out during COVID and then we you know, Bill

456
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Speaker 4: wouldn't let us own the podcast, so we were like,

457
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Speaker 4: all right, we're gonna leave. But I think having like

458
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Speaker 4: that was my motivation for involving Tommy and just having

459
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Speaker 4: somebody like as a backup bounce ideas off to give

460
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Speaker 4: me a pause during it.

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Speaker 3: It's helpful.

462
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Speaker 4: It's helpful, by the way, even this year working for

463
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Speaker 4: ESPN and kind of having a real sense of the

464
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 4: landscape of sports media, like being in it and getting

465
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 4: to understand it a little bit better. Like we are

466
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Speaker 4: in the first wave of athlete driven content, the first wave,

467
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Speaker 4: and like you mentioned you like I was a pioneer.

468
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Speaker 3: Like I think all of us are.

469
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Speaker 4: I think all of us in this first inning, first

470
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Speaker 4: couple innings, are pioneers in it. I don't think this

471
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Speaker 4: is like a novelty something that's going to be a

472
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Speaker 4: short lived thing. I think the future of sports media

473
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Speaker 4: is going to be athlete driven. Not to say that

474
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Speaker 4: traditional journalists won't have their place in it, but honestly,

475
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Speaker 4: people are starved for this, Like we have been fed

476
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Speaker 4: sandy and soda for the last fifteen or twenty years.

477
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Speaker 4: And being able to peel back the curtain a little

478
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Speaker 4: bit and offer someone a three course meal with a

479
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Speaker 4: leafy green salad.

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Speaker 3: I think people eat it up. Man, I really don't.

481
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Speaker 3: I agree.

482
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Speaker 1: I think not just that, but like the suit and

483
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Speaker 1: tie like to be super proper all the time.

484
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Speaker 3: I think for us is we're kind of learning.

485
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Speaker 1: Like people want to feel like, oh, these guys are

486
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Speaker 1: just like me, that type of vibe, Like we might

487
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Speaker 1: play sports, but I mean we're sitting here in.

488
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Speaker 3: Shorts, T shirt, Barstool does one of the best parts

489
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 3: about hanging out Barstool, one of the best parts with You've.

490
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Speaker 2: Mentioned Bill not letting you own the podcast during that time.

491
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Speaker 3: You said that was during the COVID that was during

492
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Speaker 3: this was so our contract was running up.

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Speaker 4: I think it ended like July thirty first or August first,

494
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Speaker 4: so it's basically two weeks into the bubble. And I

495
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Speaker 4: told Bill in June, I was like, hey, you know,

496
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Speaker 4: just so you know, like we are like going to

497
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 4: other companies and being like, do you want to help

498
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Speaker 4: us sell ads on our podcast? I'm you know, I

499
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Speaker 4: want to be transparent with you that this is happening,

500
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Speaker 4: so please make an offer. And you know, they made

501
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Speaker 4: an offer, but they were the only company that was like,

502
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Speaker 4: you can't own it. And this was right around the

503
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Speaker 4: time of the Ringer sale to Spotify and so and.

504
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Speaker 2: Not to mention Barstool with color Daddy, like there was

505
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Speaker 2: a lot of IP conversation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so that was just it wasn't even

507
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 4: it wasn't even a money issue because it honestly, honestly,

508
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 4: the Ringer offered us more guaranteed money than anyone else.

509
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Speaker 4: But it was just like I just wanted to own

510
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Speaker 4: the ip, even like simple stuff that you want to

511
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Speaker 4: do down the line with you know, conversations or episodes.

512
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Speaker 4: It's like, well if I don't have control of that,

513
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Speaker 4: like what good is it?

514
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Speaker 3: You know?

515
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Speaker 4: And so it really just became bottom line, like are

516
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Speaker 4: you gonna let me own it? And he said no,

517
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Speaker 4: And I said, okay, no hard feelings, that's fine, We're

518
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Speaker 4: moving on. No, what was it called before the JJ

519
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Speaker 4: Ready podcast? He wouldn't let yeah, yeah, And and they

520
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Speaker 4: so we lost.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing that barstool with McAfee. Yeah,

522
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: is a Pat McAfee showing us Pat McAfee two point zero.

523
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Speaker 3: Correct for sure, But you just almost think like, man,

524
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Speaker 3: it's we lost.

525
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we lost kind of crazy, right, We lost

526
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Speaker 4: our subscriber base obviously are gonna be the biggest thing, right.

527
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Speaker 4: And I had done it twice already because I lost

528
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Speaker 4: it when I left the Ringers O Yahoo, I love

529
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Speaker 4: I lost mine then, so I've had to restart three

530
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Speaker 4: times basically, which.

531
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Speaker 2: Well, what's huge, But I think speaks so good to

532
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Speaker 2: your audience. It was like very like intriguing when like

533
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: learning about you when we were doing busting with the boys.

534
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Speaker 3: Was that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys amassed one hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube

536
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Speaker 2: within six.

537
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Speaker 3: Weeks on on our old Man. Yeah.

538
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Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing that we realized early on.

539
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Speaker 4: It was like an epiphany moment we had. My last

540
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Speaker 4: year with the Ringer, we did Zion in person in

541
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Speaker 4: LA and it was his first long form interview. And

542
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Speaker 4: we did Jimmy right before the literally two weeks before

543
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Speaker 4: COVID and March eleventh and the you know, the world shutdown.

544
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: Basically we put that on YouTube and those are still

545
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Speaker 4: the two most watched videos on the Ringer YouTube channel.

546
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Speaker 3: So is this a fifty moment?

547
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Speaker 4: We're like, oh, not only is it audio, Like podcasts

548
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: should be audio, they should be video, and then we

549
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: should probably put stuff on social and so like all

550
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: of those things helped just grow the brand and grow

551
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 4: the audience. And you know, I talk with people all

552
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 4: the time that either want to do business with a

553
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 4: podcast or you know, our contract is up, and so

554
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 4: you know we're talking about potentially, you know, doing deals

555
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: with other people. But it's like, I don't care about

556
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 4: anything else. I just want to grow the audience. I

557
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: just want people to appreciate the content. When I have

558
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 4: a guest on, I want people to walk away and

559
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: be like, hey, I'm a fan of that guy now.

560
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: Like Pat Beverly is a great example of that, Like

561
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Speaker 4: he is a divisive player because of whatever however you

562
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 4: view his antics on the court. But the greatest compliment

563
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: I can get is like I have Pat Beverly on

564
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Speaker 4: the show, and people like I used to hate Pat Beverly,

565
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: I like him now.

566
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Speaker 3: That to me is like, that's it. That's the juice

567
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, pretty impressive. And you said yeah, and

568
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, you on this. Yeah.

569
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Speaker 1: The juice for me is basically coming on YouTube mostly

570
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: and like seeing like subscribers, seeing people commenting and like

571
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: just loving what we're doing. It's it's still a crazy

572
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: thought process to me that we're sitting here on mics

573
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: on cameras and you when you play a sport your

574
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: whole life, and you think, oh, this is all really

575
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: ever be good at. This is my this is my

576
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: one crack at the the big whatever I'm supposed to

577
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: do in this world. And then you go branch off

578
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: and do something like this and it's like you don't

579
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work. Then all of a sudden,

580
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: like it's kind of blowing up in a way that

581
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't believe people like this because it's

582
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: so natural and easy for us to do. So it's

583
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: just fun. I do love it when people come on

584
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Speaker 1: this this say hey, I thought I didn't like this guy,

585
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: but I do like this guy. But for me, it's

586
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Speaker 1: just like it's given me I feel safer in my

587
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: own life after doing a pod.

588
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Speaker 3: Yes, as far as like like.

589
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Speaker 1: We're doing a therapy session, yeah, but it is, Uh,

590
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: it's actually thing I think about all the time. There

591
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: used to be a point in my life where I

592
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: was like football, that's like the only main income I have. Like, yeah,

593
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: I've made a lot of money in football, but like

594
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: what if this and what if that? Like, am I

595
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Speaker 1: gonna ever be able to you know, I'm not gonna

596
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Speaker 1: have to go work a nine to five job or

597
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: something like that. And then once we started doing this

598
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: and I started really making money, I was like, oh,

599
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Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be okay no matter what, Like, no

600
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: matter what I do in my life, I'm gonna be fine.

601
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Speaker 1: Like this was like that step, that little piece for

602
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: me to be like Okay, I'm gonna be all right

603
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: and thing's gonna work out.

604
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Speaker 4: I knew going into my last year of my contract

605
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Speaker 4: with the Pelicans that it was gonna be my last year, and.

606
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Speaker 3: The other side of that was so terrifying. It was

607
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: so scary.

608
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Speaker 4: And I and I had had a podcast, but I

609
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: again it was like it was podcasting my future.

610
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Speaker 3: I didn't know, And.

611
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Speaker 1: It almost feels weird to say podcasting is my future.

612
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: Tstory're like, is that even a thing? But I, oh, yeah,

613
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Speaker 1: it's the thing.

614
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Speaker 3: I know. I know, but like, well, you were like yeah,

615
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: but if you first kind of started like is this

616
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Speaker 3: really a deal?

617
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 4: And like the last three four years, I called into

618
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 4: all my parents, Actually, my parents called me because they

619
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: were worried about me because New Year's morning, we had

620
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: played a road game in Oklahoma City.

621
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Speaker 3: I think the night before I got in late.

622
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Speaker 4: I went to bed at like three am, woke up

623
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Speaker 4: at eight, had a miscall for my mom. So I

624
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: called my mom back and she was like, you know,

625
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 4: we're really worried about you. My family was in Brooklyn

626
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: and I was living on my own in New Orleans,

627
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Speaker 4: and I was like super emotional because on Christmas morning,

628
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: we were in Miami and my my wife had sent

629
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Speaker 4: me a video of my now yeah, five year old

630
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: running down the stairs to the Christmas tree, and I

631
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: basically checked out at that moment, Like I was like,

632
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 4: I just want to be home. I don't want to

633
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Speaker 4: do this, and my mom, I told my mom, was like,

634
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Speaker 4: I just want to get in my car and drive

635
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: from New Orleans back to New York City. I just

636
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: want to be home. And she's like, why don't you?

637
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: And I said, because I'm fucking terrified, Mom, Like, I'm

638
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: so scared of what the rest of my life is. Like,

639
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: think about you guys play U sports. I'm guessing I

640
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: started at seven years old. I'm thirty seven now, I

641
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 4: retired at thirty seven. Thirty years of my life. I'm

642
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: not great at math, but I would guarantee that's probably

643
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: high eighty percent of my life. Eighty nine percent of

644
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: my life has been wrapped up in sports. My identity,

645
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: my ego, structure, everything is so ingrained in being a

646
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: basketball player and like letting go of that, letting go

647
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 4: of that thing, Fuck dude, it was terrifying. But I

648
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: can say to your point about like feeling safe about it, Like, no,

649
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 4: I can. I can do other things and maybe it's

650
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: maybe it's this for a while, maybe it's something else,

651
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 4: But I'm it's a weird place to be, you know,

652
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: basically a year out of retirement to be like, Okay,

653
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be fine, my life's gonna be.

654
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: Okay, everything's gonna be all right.

655
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: It's gonna be all right, getting to that other side

656
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: of it, because you're right, like it's that example. We spent,

657
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: however many years of our life just doing one thing,

658
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: and I feel like like you're probably the same way.

659
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: Like even when you're in it, you have interests, and

660
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: every kind of player and athletes feels like they have

661
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: something they're kind of lining themselves up for. They have

662
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: a curiosity or I'm gonna do this afterwards, everybody feels confident.

663
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: But when those like for me, it was just like

664
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: three years ago, I thought that could potentially have been

665
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: my last year.

666
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: And you're just like I was getting into real estate.

667
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: I was, I was journaling up the podcast what it

668
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: could look like, but I was just terrified. I'm like, man,

669
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm not playing a whole lot this year, Like this

670
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: could be it, Like I truly have to. I've always

671
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: been the guy that felt comfortable and be like, oh,

672
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: I'll figure something out, Like I already have a few

673
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: things going blah blah blah, but man, I really have

674
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: to figure out like what I enjoy because this could

675
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: be coming faster than what I realize.

676
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: And and for me with.

677
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: The podcast stuff, like it's it's like like when you

678
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: were saying it like scratches that curiosity that each that

679
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: you have, Like I love like talking to people. I

680
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: feel like if I get to learn something about somebody,

681
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: like we've had on like Darren Waller, Max, We've had

682
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: on a lot of incredible people, but a couple of

683
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: those stories staying now where Max is talking about his sobriety,

684
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Darren Waller's talking about his sobriety and just going in

685
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: depth and like like giving athletes kind of a platform

686
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: to talk about stuff, and like you said, like I'll

687
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: you'll have people call and be like, yo, I didn't

688
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: fuck with that guy, but that's really cool, or it's

689
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: just like yo, I like this person, but man I

690
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: did not know he fucking went through that.

691
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: And it's like really cool that you guys are able

692
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: to like peel back layers.

693
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: Because they feel comfortable sitting in front of you, because

694
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: we're all athletes. Because a lot of stuff that you'll

695
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: give a microphone or the reporters or something you're either

696
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: in the locker room when you're you're your backup or

697
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: somebody that you're competing with sitting next to you, Like

698
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: guys are around there.

699
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: You're not gonna, yeah, everything's up.

700
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: You're not gonna you're not gonna actually give reporters and

701
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: talk about stuff.

702
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: Not because you won't give it to the reporter.

703
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: One you won't give it to a reporter, but also

704
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: like the environment you're in, you're just not your guards up,

705
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: like you said, egos are going and like when you're

706
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: on something like this, I just feel like everybody feels

707
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: more comfortable when they're talking with like athletes, or there's

708
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: more of like an unfiltered approach, like being for the boys.

709
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: We tell everybody if there's something that you don't like,

710
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: let us know. We'll take it off. Like we've talked

711
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: about jerk off stories that somebody's wanted theirs off.

712
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: We kept ours on. But so where it's like, yo,

713
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 3: just be your talk about that soon. Yeah, yeah, like yo,

714
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: just let it fly and be yourself. And if you're yeah, yeah, yeah,

715
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: and you're driving very much. You want to take it up,

716
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: We'll take it off.

717
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time what this podcast is about.

718
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I literally go, I think it's just like a bunch

719
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room talking. Yeah, it's like

720
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: the conversations you would have. But another thing to what

721
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: you were saying is, like we talk about all the time,

722
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: like how you have like these blinders on here. You

723
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: are so zoomed into the world that you live in,

724
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: and like not only let's say, besides the podcast, like football,

725
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Like I go and play football, and then I spend

726
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: time in the off season watching free agency, and then

727
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: I spend time watching the combine. Then I watched the

728
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: draft and see you the guys I'm gonna go again soon,

729
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be like, and then the like shortly

730
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: after that, the schedule comes out, and then you're in

731
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: OTAs and then you have that six weeks break where

732
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: you're just so focused and in like your fight camp,

733
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: going into camp.

734
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: It's a year round thing.

735
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: And what this has allowed us to do, or especially myself,

736
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: because I get super caught up in like thinking like

737
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: everyone is so focused and dialed in on Tennessee Titan

738
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: football when really, if I just like zoom out for

739
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: a second, it's like there's a there's a bunch of

740
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: people that are but for the most part, like, ain't

741
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: nobody gives a shit what I'm doing.

742
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: You know.

743
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: It's like I'll be in camp and it'll be the

744
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: middle of August and it's I'm right in the middle

745
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: of the start is too far to see and the

746
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: and the end's not close enough, and you're just kind

747
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: of like fucking in it. And you have a day

748
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: off and you go drive home and you say, you

749
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go cruise.

750
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: Down Broadway real quick and see what's going on.

751
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: And you go down Broadway and you see every type

752
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: of person walking up and down, drinking, having a good

753
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: time going.

754
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: They don't give two shits.

755
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: At the Tennessee Times had practice today, or we were

756
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: watching film or who We're gonna play, And it allows

757
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: you to be like, oh, like I'm gonna be It's

758
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. It kind of comes down to

759
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: is like, oh, this isn't as overwhelming consuming to everybody

760
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: as you think it is.

761
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: I experienced that at Duke because I felt like I

762
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: feel like they all wanted it there. Like I was

763
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: in a fishball at Duke and I got on the

764
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: other side of it. I was like, oh, you know,

765
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: like Duke basketball, Like it's well known, but it's not

766
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: actually like that important. But at the time, it felt

767
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: like every single thing I did was live or die.

768
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 4: It felt very intense to me. I did to ask

769
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: you guys a question because I was my best friend

770
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: he works in television LA and I had lunch with

771
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: him yesterday and I was talking about the other side

772
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: of sports, you know, being retired and whatever, and he's like,

773
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: you know, you used to used to say this shit

774
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: all the time when when you were a player, Like

775
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: used to say you wanted to quit, used to say

776
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: you wanted to retire. And I'm like, I'm curious if you, guys,

777
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: in your career, even if it was a great season,

778
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 4: that moment you're talking about when you're driving down Broadway

779
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 4: and you're like, people are just having a normal good time.

780
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: Like there's so many things that I felt like I

781
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: miss missed out on, like Christmas being an example. I

782
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: think I think I played on Christmas Day twelve times

783
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 4: in fifteen years, and I carried I carried like a

784
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: little bit of resentment about that, Like I don't know

785
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: what it was, And there were moments where I was like,

786
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: you know, I could do something, why don't I do

787
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: something else? Like I started thinking about that actually was

788
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: right after I had my first kid, because I could

789
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: change my perspective about my time basically, and I, I

790
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: don't know, it's like I was. I was definitely still

791
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: into it, and I was definitely still committed, even more

792
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 4: so at the end of my career. I was a

793
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: fucking psycho, But like I still carried like a little

794
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: bit of resentment about all the things that went into

795
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: it that prevented me from doing other things.

796
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: Did you guys, Do you guys feel that at all?

797
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: If I feel like me feeling it, it was probably

798
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: if anything, in the last couple of years, like when

799
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: I know, I'm kind of like I have a foot

800
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: out the door, like I kind of know what I

801
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: want to lean into and do when I'm done now

802
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: with busting with the boys and everything else, and so

803
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: you think about it a lot more like when I'm

804
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: in the season. But I would say like the first

805
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: large the first like seven years, I more so think

806
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: like I can't wait to do this when football's over with, like.

807
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: Because it would be the same thing like with Thanksgiving.

808
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: You don't get to do any of the holidays like

809
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: during the season, like Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas, all these things.

810
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: New Years, it'd be more so like I can't wait

811
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: to do this, like when I get done.

812
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: Playing complaining not complaining. No, but it's because it's a

813
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: great life and I'm I was. I never felt any

814
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: sense of like ingratitude. I was always grateful. I was

815
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: always you know, I would still like even my fifteen

816
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 4: year super frustrated, like dude, I have fucking thirty six

817
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 4: and I'm in the NBA, Like how fucking cool is this?

818
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I loved it

819
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: every day, but still there were there were moments. There

820
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: were moments.

821
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Everyone goes through the grass is greener. And the thing

822
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: is there's so many different lives you can live on

823
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: this world. Yeah, and so everyone always daydreams to think

824
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: about what if. I always I remember being in college

825
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: and like having to get my weight up because I

826
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: came into college super underweight. I remember thinking to myself, like, man,

827
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: when I'm done playing football, I'm gonna be so like

828
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: jacked and skinny, and like I still to this day,

829
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I cannot I can't wait to fucking

830
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: lose sixty pounds, you know, and I can't wait to

831
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: do this and this, and there was I mean we

832
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: talked about it. We talked about all the time, Like

833
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: during the season last year, the season I was having

834
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I had him over the houses like I'm I'm gonna retire.

835
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm done, like and you kind of but that's when

836
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: you're like so in it, and then you start to realize, like, hey,

837
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: you're in the NFL.

838
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: How cool is this?

839
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: Regardless, Like it's just hope you're living every kid's dream

840
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: has to be a professional athlete at like it's some position.

841
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: We did it, we made graduations, made it, and it's

842
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: just cool. It's a cool vibe. But yeah, there are

843
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: there's always something that you want to do other than

844
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: what you're doing at that moment.

845
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 3: YEA, yeah, I think I've retired with the last three years.

846
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, every year, this is it, this is known will.

847
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: Every single year he's been like this is the last one,

848
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: this is the last one. And now we're talking about

849
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: your ten. You know, it's just crazy. Do you think,

850
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: like I'm curious too, do you.

851
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: Think there's a difference in basketball and football like doing

852
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: the media stuff and having personalities? But I think because

853
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: I think it's like it's wild that Draymond has a podcast.

854
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, but I'm like, damn, like he's

855
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: got some stones. When you go do a podcast like

856
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: right after a game and talking about the game, do

857
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: you feel like there's a difference there because you obviously

858
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: did the pot for like five years, Like what's the sense? Like,

859
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: what's the sense like when you're around all the guys,

860
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: Because when I went to Vegas last year, like everybody

861
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: kind of knew about the podcast.

862
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: I know everybody liked this, so it was all good.

863
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: But when I was in the building and seeing guys

864
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: work and appreciating kind of like, damn, like these dudes

865
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 2: like fucking they love like I.

866
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: Love ball, but I'm like they love ball way more

867
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 3: than the spot that I'm at in my career right now.

868
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: To where you almost you almost feel bad bringing up

869
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: any of the stuff because you don't want to seem

870
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: like you're like not in it as much as they are.

871
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I go back to that point.

872
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: I don't I go back to like any teammate I've

873
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: ever been around, like saw the dedication and work I

874
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: put in, So I never sort of worried about that.

875
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: On the basketball football side, I mean, that's probably part

876
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: of a larger conversation just about the empowerment that NBA

877
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 4: players have right now, the player empowerment era that we're

878
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: in the middle of right.

879
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: Now, relative to the NFL.

880
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: And I don't think the NFL has gotten to the

881
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 4: level that the NBA has. And probably some of that

882
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: is are guaranteed contracts are the way the more you know,

883
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 4: again it's you get the right guys.

884
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: You can not predict, like it's a lot more competitive now,

885
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: but it's a lot easier to predict what Lebron.

886
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: And these boys on this team, like these teams are

887
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: going to see each other in the final.

888
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: There's also just inherently because of the way your cap works,

889
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: there's there's like more parody in the NFL and because

890
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 4: it's a two way sport like.

891
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: In the NBA.

892
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: It's like, if you're one of the five best players

893
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: or ten best players like.

894
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: You, you fucking run it. You run it.

895
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: Some guys don't take advantage of that. Some guys do

896
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: but there's just more. I just believe inherently there's more power.

897
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: If you are Lebron James, or you're a Kawhi Leonard

898
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: or Kevin Durant, there's you just carry more than even

899
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: a great All Pro NFL player does. It's just the

900
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: way the sport works.

901
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: Plus, guys probably when you say run at your I

902
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: mean like they run practice and meetings and they say,

903
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: we're fucking this is what we're doing.

904
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: There's input on everything. You haven't put on everything.

905
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys like Aaron Rodgers are

906
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning pay There's very few guys.

907
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: Kind of but I think every team in the all

908
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: thirty teams probably you could probably name five guys in

909
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: the NFL.

910
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: Ten guys.

911
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: Maybe they could name the best wide receiver in the

912
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 4: NFL and yeah, but then he's not he's not having

913
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 4: input on like who they should draft, right, they should trade? Yes,

914
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: where in the in the NBA, the top two guys

915
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: on pretty much every team. I mean I had that

916
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: with the Clippers, and I was like the fourth or

917
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: fifth guy you know I had. I would talk to Doc,

918
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: I would talk to l Frank, I would talk to

919
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 4: Steve Balmer, like I had that. You know, I had

920
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: that with Philly when I went there, Like I wasn't

921
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: even one of the best players, and I just I

922
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: just think that because of I don't know if it's

923
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 4: less guys or it's just like, you know, we're on

924
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: the court the whole time. You know, in the NFL

925
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: you're playing offense or you're playing defense. And to a

926
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: degree too, it's like the NBA, a great player can

927
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: impact the game more than a great NFL player because

928
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 4: I don't want to no, I agree make brodg gener rallies,

929
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: but in general, like in the NFL, like on a play,

930
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: you have a specific task.

931
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: In the NBA, it's it's.

932
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: A little more organic where a player's talent can sort

933
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: of shine in a bunch of different right, does that makes.

934
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: Sense that you guys make the mannings thereon Rodgers the

935
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's like, if you play, if you play good offense,

936
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: like running the ball, and you can keep them off

937
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: the field, like you can keep those guys off the field,

938
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: like those quarterbacks need the defense. I mean the special

939
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: teams in literally everybody just as much as.

940
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: They feel like they can affect basketball.

941
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: It seems like, well it seems like not knowing basketball,

942
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: but like it seems like you have two or three

943
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: dudes you can take over and do whatever the fuck

944
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: you want.

945
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: Almost yeah, you know what I'm saying.

946
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: Pretty much like when Lebron as long as those dudes

947
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: were like good in twenty twenty two and not the

948
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: last time they were good was like twenty sixteen, Like

949
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: the Lakers this year, right, they built a team around

950
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: guys that were good six.

951
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: Years now as h is that?

952
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: Why then? Is that? Though? Yeah? Yeah, he still is.

953
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: I mean where would you rank him in the top

954
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: ten today? I mean he's in the top ten. I

955
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 3: don't know, he's to five. Though.

956
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: It's hard to judge based on this year just because

957
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: of how bad that team was and how badly that

958
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: roster was constructed. You know, I probably to a degree,

959
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Net's not as bad of a roster, but

960
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: also equally bad because it's the NBA has changed, and

961
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: it's very recent the NBA has changed.

962
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: Like I really believe.

963
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: You need homegrown talent like you have the draft. Well,

964
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: that's that's the inefficiency in the marketplace. You have to

965
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 4: draft well, you have to have homegrown talent, you can't

966
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: buy championships anymore because you need all the ancillary pieces.

967
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: You can go get two or three great players that

968
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 4: are super max or max players. You need really good

969
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: players three through seven, three through eight. And if you're

970
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: going to have two or three Max guys, those guys

971
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: have to be on rookie contracts or you have to

972
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 4: be really good with finding bart players and free agency.

973
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: But if you okay, So if you're the La Rams.

974
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: They went and they didn't do anything in the draft,

975
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: and there's fifty three guys on a roster in the NFL,

976
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: how come the you can't do that in the NBA anymore.

977
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: It seems like it'd be way easier to go pay

978
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: seven or eight guys and then and then have them

979
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: be a super team. You say, you think that can't

980
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: happen anymore once when the Rams just did that with

981
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: way more guys.

982
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't

983
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying.

984
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: I'm not again, I haven't put my GM hat on

985
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: to be an NFL GM. Yeah, I have put it

986
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: on to be an NBA GM. Right, it's just the

987
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: general way our our cap works. So there's a there's

988
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: a cap, and then there's a luxury tax, and there's

989
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 4: a there's a hard cap, an apron, there's a you know,

990
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: the difference between the luxury tax and the hard cap

991
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: is like an apron. So once you get into like

992
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: two max players, then it's like, all right, we have

993
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 4: thirteen roster spots we need to fill out with. Essentially,

994
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: the supermaxes are so high now, essentially like forty million dollars,

995
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: so on average, you're going to pay guys three million

996
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: dollars a year, which is what the Lakers did this year.

997
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: They signed you know, Avery Bradley, Trevor Reza, DeAndre Jordan,

998
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 4: like all these guys on minimum contracts. Well, if you're

999
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: a free agent and you're trying to get paid and

1000
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 4: another team has let's say the mid level, which is

1001
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year, you're probably gonna go take

1002
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 4: that versus two point five, you know what I mean.

1003
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: So it's just the nature of the salary cap. So

1004
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 4: unless you have those guys that you drafted and they're

1005
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: still on their rookie contract and you're able to pay

1006
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: those players once they become free agents because you have

1007
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: their bird rights.

1008
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: But that's the challenge the right bird rights? Bird rights?

1009
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: What's the bird rights? Bird rights?

1010
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: Basically, if you're drafted by a team and then you're

1011
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 4: you're a free agent, and that team is over the

1012
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 4: the what the salary the what's the thard cap? Yeah,

1013
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: salard cap. If you're over the star cap, you can

1014
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 4: resign them. Came in with Larry Bird. So like if

1015
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: when I signed with Philly on the one year deal,

1016
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: they didn't have my bird rights the fallowing summer, So

1017
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 4: when Lebron didn't sign there, they sign me on another

1018
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 4: one year deal. Had I resigned there, they could have

1019
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: gone over the luxury tax because after two years you

1020
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 4: have early bird rights, after three you have full bird rights.

1021
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: And this is all because of Larry Bird. It's all

1022
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: because of Larry Bird. Do you care to explain that

1023
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: situation to me at all?

1024
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: I Again, I'm not a complete basketball historian, but my

1025
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: general knowledge of the situation is that the salary cap

1026
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 4: came into place sometime in the nineteen eighties and Larry

1027
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: Bird's rookie contract was over and the Celtics wanted to

1028
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 4: resign him, but they couldn't go over the salary cap

1029
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: to re sign him. So there was a rule put

1030
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: in place in the collective Barging Agreement that you could

1031
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 4: resign your own free agents to go over the salary

1032
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 4: cap as long as you had bird rights.

1033
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, it was a good explanation. That's a

1034
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: great explanation. The well, not a historian, but here's exactly

1035
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: what you need to know.

1036
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: In the for the Rams question, I feel like they've

1037
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: been kind of cooking that team up for a couple

1038
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: of years.

1039
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1040
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean like each year they've kind of added a

1041
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: different place. And mind you, they drafted Aaron Donald. They

1042
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: drafted they've had it. They had Aaron Donald. He realized like, okay,

1043
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: they missed, they're missing a qbpiece. They were able to

1044
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: trade Mats Stafford and they probably feel like got Stafford,

1045
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: they got Obj. They were close enough if they just

1046
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: needed if they got like the Obj and the von

1047
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Mill and they probably sat there and they're like, hey,

1048
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: fuck these draft picks, like let's try to win the

1049
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year.

1050
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: I was made it fascinating with the NFL, like how

1051
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: you guys can sign a contract and then like two

1052
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: years later, like a new contract happens. We're like we

1053
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, we sign a contract like we can't renegotiate

1054
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 4: our contract if we're going to make let's say a

1055
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 4: guy's gonna make twenty million dollars and a team wants

1056
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 4: to go sign another player. They're not going to go

1057
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: to that player and be like, hey, will you take

1058
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: ten next year? You know, it's like yeah, no, it's

1059
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: just like guaranteed, like that's what you get.

1060
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then also it's a real issue on.

1061
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: Harry Beard is like it's like this guy's cat he's

1062
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: gonna make thirty seven million dollars, but his cap hits thirteen.

1063
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: And it all.

1064
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: It really depends on that ship. To me, it depends

1065
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: on teams and how much like money they have. Yeah,

1066
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: like if you're if your owner has lots of money,

1067
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and really the cap doesn't really matter, right because we'll

1068
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: be making ten million dollars and his cap it's going

1069
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: to be seven. Yeah, we're gonna say, allright, hey, well

1070
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you nine million dollars in a signing

1071
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: bonus right now. So now your capit's one and you're

1072
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: making minimum this year. It's just a crazy concept. Yeah,

1073
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. And we have a lot of tenders.

1074
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: We have a lot of like the tenders are wild.

1075
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: The fifth year, there's a fifth year option where if

1076
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: you're first you're a first round draft pick, it's a

1077
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: four year contract with an option for the team to

1078
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: pick up a fifth year option. Mind you, you can

1079
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: get franchise tag twice too, because you can literally play

1080
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: seven years on one deal.

1081
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: Basically.

1082
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're out playing your contract, your rookie,

1083
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: we're about to get paid, they can put a fifth

1084
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: year option on you. And the fifth year option is

1085
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: like you make an average of what the top ten

1086
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: guys are making or something like that, which is usually

1087
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: top three or four guys make a lot of money

1088
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and there's a big there's a big difference in the bottom,

1089
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: so you kind of average out position at your position,

1090
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: and then you can get actually get another I think

1091
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: you can put another option on the guy.

1092
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: Again.

1093
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: No, that's a fresh eye stack. That's fresh eye stack.

1094
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: It's the average of the top three. Right, Yeah, they

1095
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: have the top three players. But yeah, you get this

1096
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: crazy on these one year, one year deal and they

1097
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: have your rights for like Taylor said, like up to

1098
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: seven years if they actually wanted to. But rookies nowadays,

1099
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: like if you start out performing your deal, like going

1100
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: into that fifth year. If like they try a fifth

1101
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: year option, you guys are getting a lot. You know,

1102
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: guys are like holding out or saying that they won't

1103
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: play like that.

1104
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: You guys will hold out.

1105
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: And usually what teams do is they'll pick up your

1106
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: fifth year option and then they'll negotiate as you're going

1107
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: into your fourth year or your fifth year. It doesn't

1108
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: really it doesn't really matter anymore, but it just gives

1109
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: them more time. Just in case, I signed my second

1110
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: contract going into my fourth year, but they already picked

1111
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: up my fifth year option.

1112
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: They have to pick it up by what your third year,

1113
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: like by like may or may or third year. It's

1114
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: it's a wild deal. It's a wild deal. The it's it's.

1115
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: Crazy when you when you're an NFL player and you

1116
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: guys are we're all sitting here talking about money and

1117
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and then we look at the NBA.

1118
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: It's like, Yo, it's fucking wild. How these guys kind

1119
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: of just run the show.

1120
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Speaker 1: It really is just like like mother fuck like these

1121
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: yous are just making like I think Derek Carr literally

1122
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: play that much right right right million dollars dude. Derek

1123
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: car signed his contract, not this most recent one, but

1124
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: the one before that. And somebody tweeted him it was

1125
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty million dollars country or something

1126
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: like that, and he's like, hey, congratulations, you make as

1127
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: much as a sixth man in the NBA.

1128
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: Now not true. Well that someone says like that, and

1129
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: I was like, that's just fucking wild. That's nice, But

1130
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: the money, stra have you been a non start and

1131
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: made a nice little baggy?

1132
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 4: My two year deal with the Pelicans was nice. Yeah,

1133
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: I mean I made like thirteen and a half or

1134
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: something a year and you were in the top five.

1135
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: And I wasn't a sorry, Yeah, that's crazy, that's wild.

1136
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: It's good for you. I'm thinking, that's crazy. Like I

1137
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: didn't play either, give me that. That's crazy. If you're

1138
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: not a starter and a half million dollars different, it's different.

1139
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how different. How is it? What do

1140
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: you I played my first year.

1141
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 4: At the twenty eight minutes a game and scored over

1142
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: fifteen points and was second the league in three point percentage.

1143
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: Go off game. All right, okay, we listen.

1144
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: A guy, a guy in the NFL who's not a

1145
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 4: starter might play ten snaps a game, like there's a dip.

1146
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 5: That's my point. There's a difference. So you're still getting

1147
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 5: I'm right here on the bus, look at me. You

1148
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 5: might not play stuff in the NFL. He's just like,

1149
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 5: just look at me.

1150
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: Man. I didn't say it. You know what I'm saying.

1151
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: You're you're paid.

1152
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 4: You're paid in the NBA based on production, and so

1153
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 4: you don't have to be a starter to produce.

1154
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: That's where the difference is. That's true. And you guys

1155
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 3: have like way like less guys. We have less guys.

1156
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again it goes back if you're generally speaking,

1157
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: you have like a max guy or a couple of

1158
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: max guys. You have a couple guys that get salary

1159
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: cap which is what every time I was a free agent,

1160
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: I signed with cap space. I signed with to a

1161
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 4: team with cap space. Then you have like the exceptions,

1162
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 4: the mid level exception. Then if you're over the tax

1163
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 4: you have the tax payer mid level exception, which is

1164
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 4: about half of the mid level exception, and then everything

1165
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 4: else is like minimum.

1166
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: So it just depends on yours service.

1167
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: So like if you're a ten year guy, I think

1168
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: minimum is two point seven something like that.

1169
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: A nice man that's a nice little baggy.

1170
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: I was like, as a tenurey, I think it's one

1171
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: one front player is from the minimum.

1172
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: So now you're on our side. You see him change

1173
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: the tune a little bit. Yeah, that's minimum after you've

1174
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: played like eight or nine.

1175
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: Ten years. Mind, this pastor is based on like nine

1176
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: eighty maybe, I think that's what it is. How many guys?

1177
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: How many guys minimum? Guys though, that are like balling

1178
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: that are starting and producing. And I'm not saying they're

1179
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 4: like necessarily all pro players, but they're they're good.

1180
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: They're really good. Well, you've right out well in analytics,

1181
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: I see. I think analytics is a it's not not

1182
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: the move, but this is a yeah. Well yeah, I

1183
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: know you have a bad taste about like analytics and

1184
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: the peple.

1185
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes a whole It doesn't make

1186
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. Styles like you can do

1187
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: it for quarterbacks maybe wide receivers. You can do it

1188
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: to an extent, I feel like extent, but it doesn't

1189
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: start the entire story. When people say numbers agree with you,

1190
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: the numbers of the entire story, I disagree with that whole,

1191
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: whole hearted, And I.

1192
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Speaker 4: Love analytics in basketball, there's the most beautiful synergy that

1193
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: I've you know, can witness and Synergy, by the way,

1194
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 4: is a name of advanced stats company.

1195
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: The most beautiful synergy that I can see.

1196
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: Like, when I analyze this stuff is my eye is

1197
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: telling me something and I'll hit up a couple of

1198
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: people I use for advanced stats and some of the

1199
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 4: stuff I check myself. But I'm not great on second spectrum.

1200
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: I don't really know how to operate it. So I'll

1201
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: be like, hey, it feels like this team is running

1202
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: way more ISOs this series and they don't run a

1203
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 4: lot of ISOs in the regular season.

1204
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: Can you look that up?

1205
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, they're running forty

1206
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: percent more ISOs during this series than they do do

1207
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 4: it in the regular season. I'm like, oh, it matches up.

1208
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: Sometimes the eye test and the analytics they match up.

1209
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: Sometimes the analytics tell us stuff we can't see with

1210
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 4: our eyes, and sometimes the analytics lie to us with

1211
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 4: what we see with our eyes. Yeah, Like Devin Books

1212
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 4: are an example of this. He is I think third

1213
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: on he was like third on the Suns this year

1214
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: and wins right, he's going to be first Team All NBA.

1215
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: He was top five in MVP voting, like he was

1216
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 4: their best player this year, but because of how analytics

1217
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 4: great players out, he didn't fare particularly well. Like you're

1218
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 4: always going to in the NBA, You're always going to

1219
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: need volume shot creators, and he's great at that, and

1220
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 4: he does it at a fairly efficient level.

1221
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: And my eye can tell me that. But the analytics

1222
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 3: they lied to me. They lied to me. They don't

1223
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: tell me he's as great as he is. Very well

1224
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: spoken man, he is. Jevin Booker, you are sure sure?

1225
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I don't know, Devin Bucket answer your question

1226
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: about the minimum things.

1227
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: I feel like it probably happens more.

1228
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: For like defensive guys than offensive, Yeah, because if you're

1229
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: if you're if you're like on offense, I feel like

1230
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: when you're like when you're having a year like it's

1231
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: it's it's easier to see. Yeah, Like defense could be

1232
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: harder because there's a lot of variables that you sometimes

1233
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: need to go to your way, like as far as

1234
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: opportunity and everything else. So if you might see a

1235
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: minimum guy bawling on a minimum contract, I feel like

1236
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: it's probably like a vet that's on like a one

1237
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: your deal, probably defensively.

1238
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 3: So here's another question I ask for you.

1239
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: I'm glad I have you guys on my podcast right now,

1240
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: but I have another question for you. I'm curious about

1241
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: this seriously. I think about the NBA and like a

1242
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 4: guy who's a free agent who needs to put up numbers,

1243
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: Like in the NBA, it's a lot of it is

1244
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 4: like your points, your rebounds, your assists, field goal percent,

1245
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: all that stuff, like you.

1246
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: Need to put up numbers.

1247
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: And so there's a way for a guy to basically

1248
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: have goods counting stats, earn a nice contract, but have

1249
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: literally no impact on winning, either because he's playing on

1250
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 4: a bad team or because of his role and he

1251
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 4: just you know, he's able to just shoot the ball

1252
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: whenever he wants. Now, I wonder if the NFL, if

1253
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 4: you're able to do that, Like if a guy's a

1254
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: free agent, like, can you hide behind statistics or is

1255
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: in the NFL are you just exposed at all time

1256
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 4: if what you do doesn't impact winning.

1257
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: I think to another one that goes for defense, because

1258
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: you can hide behind statistics in a lot of way ways.

1259
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: If because a.

1260
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: Guy, say a defensive end, he can have a lot

1261
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: of sacks. You can look at him and be like,

1262
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: oh that you had twelve sacks here, Holy shit, And

1263
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: then you go watch his film and these he might

1264
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: not be beating guys one on one. The quarterback might

1265
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: be holding the ball really long, or he gets flushed

1266
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: out of the pocket the wrong way. It's an effort sack,

1267
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot of wait, a lot of waste, which is

1268
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: one of the arguments I would have had with what's

1269
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: his name?

1270
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: Who loves t J.

1271
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Watt Jersey Jerry is TJ. Wat's an ubelievable defensive end.

1272
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: He deserves everything he's getting, but a lot of his

1273
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: sacks or effort sacks as well, like he beats dus

1274
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, he fucking murders.

1275
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: Cats out other statistics for that, like how many times

1276
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: you beat.

1277
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: You there are Yeah, yeah, that's where PFF comes in

1278
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: and play Pro Football Focus. The thing Will was kind

1279
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: of alluding to with me was with PFF, they gray

1280
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: everybody every single day, and they they have like these

1281
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: numbers come out and it's a very difficult thing to

1282
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: do for my position because you don't there's a thousand

1283
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: different ways to run one play, and based on how

1284
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: we run ours it's different than Washington does, or San

1285
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: Francisco does, or you know, and so when you go

1286
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: to grade it, you can't grate us all the same.

1287
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: And so you need to have somebody, let's literally in

1288
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: the building to know what to do. And that's where

1289
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: I kind of get off like a little upset with numbers, right,

1290
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: because there's times there's one I won't.

1291
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 3: To go back to this, the task part of it.

1292
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: You could do your task, but someone through their bias

1293
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: of how they think the task should be run right,

1294
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 4: grades you a different way.

1295
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: But internally the Titans could be like, oh, you did

1296
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: that perfectly right.

1297
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: And there was a point in twenty sixteen where I

1298
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: was the grade of the number one tackle for the

1299
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: first nine weeks of the season, and I said the

1300
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: same thing then too. It's just like they don't really

1301
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about when it comes to offense lineman. Now,

1302
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, I think runn backs would be another difficult

1303
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: one to do. I think defenses will be very pretty hard.

1304
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: It depends, like with a O lineman that you could

1305
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: see it like if you're moving the guy out of

1306
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: the gap, like you could be doing the task, but

1307
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: are you are you moving him to the sideline. Like

1308
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: for me as a backer, like I could take a

1309
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: I could take an offensive lineman on in the hole.

1310
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: But if we're stagnant or I'm barely getting moved even

1311
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 2: though I'm doing the right thing, like I know, mom,

1312
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: leveraging the right side to our but all these guys

1313
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: don't know what to talk. Tower takes on more of

1314
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: a more of a thudder, Dante Hi. Tower takes on.

1315
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: Somebody puts the offensive lineman in the gap. You'd see

1316
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: why he'd get like a better grade because he's he's

1317
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: physically moving the guy more, which could play into.

1318
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 3: It a spill.

1319
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy because defense doesn't feel the same

1320
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: way when you're talking about some of the basketball Stuff'm like,

1321
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: I kind of don't know what that means.

1322
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: But he makes that shit sound great. It's crazy, right,

1323
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: and but yeah, that's a crazy world, more so.

1324
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: Defense, where you could hide behind staff like dbst who

1325
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: get a lot of picks. You have like you got

1326
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: a lot of picks, you made a lot of plays

1327
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: on the ball, you get a lot of sacks. He

1328
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: could be a bad run defender, like maybe he's rushing

1329
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: to get a sack every damn play right.

1330
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: That's a great point. Yeahb's too. It's like, if you

1331
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: get a lot of picks, that means they're throwing the

1332
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: ball on your side, right, or if you're a safety

1333
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: to safeties do like Kevin Byron.

1334
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: He's on the Titans. He had a lot of interceptions

1335
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: this past year and he's just in the right place

1336
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: at the right time.

1337
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: Again, full quarterbacks that type of thing.

1338
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: But if you're a corner one on one like drel

1339
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: Revis at one point when he was on Revis Island

1340
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: is like he it was like, you don't even throw

1341
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: to that area, Like he just lost.

1342
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: Dudes down the great.

1343
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: Ones, like they probably won't have a lot of stats

1344
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: because then the ball's not thrown to him, right, you

1345
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: know how it is?

1346
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: So it all comes down Who's who's the cornerback for

1347
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Keep going ahead and we'll keep going

1348
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, No, the corner of his digs. It's the

1349
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggson Diggs.

1350
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: He's a guy. I saw a stat. I don't know

1351
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 3: if this is true or not.

1352
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: He had the most interceptions in the NFL last year,

1353
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: but he also had the most yards given up by

1354
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: any cornerback too.

1355
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: But he was all pro. He would play aggressively.

1356
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 2: You could beat him on a double move because he's

1357
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: like looking to get a pick and he trying to

1358
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: get them.

1359
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: Pichy, he is a stud. But yeah, like like the

1360
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: great ones.

1361
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: But you know how it is, like all those numbers,

1362
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: all that stuff comes down to like trying to gain leverage,

1363
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: like in a negotiation.

1364
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: So some guys it does work out, you know, others

1365
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: you know it might not. But it all comes down

1366
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: to probably another thing. Another thing is too just like

1367
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: supplying demand.

1368
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys would going to free agency

1369
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, he's not that good, but he

1370
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: gets broke off because this team needs there's let's say

1371
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: there's market.

1372
00:56:59,440 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: The markets.

1373
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 4: Many tackles missed out on twenty sixteen free agency by

1374
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 4: a year. I was a free agent twenty seventeen. I

1375
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: tried to get a player option for sixteen after the

1376
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: sixteen year. I didn't get it with my Clippers contract,

1377
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 4: and I missed out. Like that summer was bombers. That

1378
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 4: was the summer where you know Timothy Bosley and I've

1379
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: got sixty four million dollars from the Lakers.

1380
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 3: Holy shit.

1381
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna take a break from old man

1382
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 2: and three we're gonna get to bust with the boys

1383
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: right now.

1384
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go with that.

1385
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: Dude, I want to talk about like I know you've

1386
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: talked about it openly, but like your Duke days, like

1387
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: you were one of the most hated players in college

1388
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: basketball like history, like obviously Duke as well, but like

1389
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: it just in college basketball in general, And there were

1390
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: times where you talked about quitting, and I've seen that

1391
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: you did.

1392
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: Is it true that you've changed your number at times?

1393
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: Like your cell phone number?

1394
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, So yeah, I mean my my sophomore year,

1395
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: I've probably changed it ten or fifteen times. There were

1396
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 4: so many nights that year where I don't know who

1397
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 4: was the culprit who from it was somebody from Duke

1398
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: that had a friend at another school that would pass

1399
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: along my number, and you know, it was un C

1400
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 4: fans mostly and Maryland fans mostly, And back then I

1401
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: had the Nokia, you know, and so like I don't

1402
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: know if you could do this maybe in like the

1403
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: upgraded model my junior and senior year, but early on,

1404
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 4: like you couldn't like an alarm and simultaneously have it

1405
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 4: on silent, so I would just get calls all night long,

1406
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: like thirty forty calls, you know, as soon as like

1407
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 4: the number shows up at a Maryland party or at

1408
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 4: a Maryland bar, like my shit's blown up, over and

1409
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 4: over and over again.

1410
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: So I, yeah, I had to deal with that.

1411
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: There were you know, there were times that Maryland fans

1412
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 4: would call me, they would call me the Antichrist, which

1413
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: just like what again, this is true?

1414
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: No, it's wonder but the watch it goes back.

1415
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 4: To why I sort I felt like, in a way,

1416
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 4: we're all the main character in our own story, right,

1417
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 4: We're all little bit in our stasistic I think inherently. Yeah,

1418
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: but you know, Duke felt like this this this fish bowl,

1419
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: and I was like the main character and everybody, everybody

1420
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 4: really hated me, and it was it was tough to

1421
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 4: deal with. So yeah, my sophomore year, and I may

1422
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: have told this story with with Dan and Eric on

1423
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: their pod, but my sophomore year, I called my sisters

1424
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 4: to campus. It was during the Christmas break. I told

1425
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: him to come over from Raleigh and they came over.

1426
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 4: There was this chicken place and we grabbed a chicken

1427
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: sandwich and I was like I'm done, like I want

1428
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: to quit, and they're like, what do you mean? I

1429
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 4: was like, I just I was like, I want to

1430
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 4: be a normal student. I want to go to class.

1431
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 4: I want to be a frat kid. I think I

1432
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 4: probably said I wanted to write poetry. I think that

1433
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 4: probably came poetry when you're depressed.

1434
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: That is the move. It is the move.

1435
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: And and then I didn't quit. Second semester, I went

1436
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: into what I would describe as a spiral. I was

1437
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: out every night nights before games. I would drink twenty

1438
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 4: five thirty beers nights before games. Yeah, show up the

1439
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: next day.

1440
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: Many beers I counted, really crushing, like the marker on

1441
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: the wrist.

1442
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: I moved after the season. There do you guys remember

1443
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 4: the OC? Please tell me you watch the OCA.

1444
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: I remembered it, but I did not watch it.

1445
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 4: That was the show when I was in college. That

1446
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 4: was like we would record it on VHS. We record

1447
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 4: it and like watch it later. So it was a

1448
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 4: Thursday and I was like, OC's on tonight, and I

1449
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to see how many beers I

1450
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 4: can drink tonight. And I started at eight o'clock when

1451
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 4: the OC came on and I got to like thirty

1452
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 4: nine by the next morning, and and it was just

1453
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: like that was my second semester at Duke. I was

1454
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: just I was out of control. And a little bit

1455
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 4: of it was immaturity and selfishness. A little bit of

1456
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: it was rebellion because I had my whole sporting life

1457
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 4: since I was seven years old. And watch Christian Latner

1458
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: hit the shot to be Kentucky, I was like, I

1459
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: want to go to Duke. I want to go to

1460
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 4: and it was like a dream come true. And then

1461
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 4: I get to Duke and I'm like, oh, everyone fucking

1462
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: hates my guts, Like this is not what I signed

1463
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 4: up for.

1464
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: Why did everyone?

1465
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 4: Why did anyone hate you so much? Because I was

1466
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: a Duke. I mean, if I had gone to Florida

1467
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 4: or Uva, like it would have been fine. I would

1468
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 4: just would have been a normal kid. I would have

1469
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 4: had that hate vibe home. They do they do, and

1470
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 4: it's like the white villain at Duke like that was

1471
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: that was definitely part of it. I was next in

1472
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: line for that because we I mean we had we

1473
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: had like eleven or twelve games my freshman year that

1474
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 4: we played at the beginning of the season. It was

1475
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: like home games, and then we played like UCLA in Indianapolis.

1476
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 4: We played Ohio State in Greensboro for the big TENNESSEEC Challenge.

1477
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 4: We'd have a road game till after the new year,

1478
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 4: and we go to Clemson. We come out for warm

1479
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: ups in the entire student sections chanting shit. Two weeks later,

1480
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 4: we go to UVA, my home state. There's all these students.

1481
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 4: I had really bad bacne in college and I had

1482
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: there's all these kids wearing like makeshift white Duke for

1483
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: Duke number four jerseys and they had painted like red

1484
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 4: dots on their shoulders.

1485
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: Hilarious. By the way, I thought it was hilarious. I was,

1486
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: you know, I was very sensitive. You think it was funny?

1487
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: I did, even though it was really sensitive about you know,

1488
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 3: my my shoulder acting. I was like, man, that's that's

1489
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 3: fucking creative. Why didn't you go t shirt unto the

1490
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: jersey then if you're so, if you're insecure about it.

1491
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 4: It was a rule, we couldn't do it. I convinced

1492
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 4: him onphomore year. I went into his office. I may

1493
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 4: have cried, and I was just like, you gotta let

1494
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 4: me know. Shit shirt under my jersey. Damn you may

1495
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: you say may have? I cried, Yeah, yeah, yeah we did.

1496
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 4: That's that's a real deal. So the end of my

1497
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 4: sophomore year, we lost in the final four. It was

1498
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 4: a it was a low point for me. We we

1499
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 4: lost to Yukon. We were up eight with like three

1500
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: and a half minutes to go and they came back

1501
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 4: and I had a chance twice, actually, once to take

1502
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 4: the lead with like ten seconds left. I got stripped

1503
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: and then I had a chance with like five seconds

1504
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 4: left to hit a three to tie us and I

1505
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 4: missed them both, and I just like that spiral that

1506
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 4: I was on went even deeper, and coach would like

1507
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 4: make me come in on Saturday mornings to his office

1508
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 4: and he would meet with me, and he told me

1509
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 4: during one of those meetings, he said, we didn't win

1510
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 4: a national championship because you weren't worthy to be a champion.

1511
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 4: It's like the meanest thing everyone's ever said to me.

1512
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 4: And it was true, it was true, but it was

1513
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 4: like so soul cutting right. That sent me further down.

1514
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 4: So I then my parents, because they knew I was

1515
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 4: having a tough time for Christmas had given me a

1516
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 4: toy airplane.

1517
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the it was a ticket.

1518
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 4: Basically, They're like, wherever you want to go after the

1519
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 4: school year's out, you can go. So I'm like all right.

1520
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, I want to go see my buddy,

1521
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: duke soccer player. I want to go see my buddy

1522
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 4: in California. So I planned this trip. We went to Davis, California.

1523
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 4: We went to the Bay, we went to Santa Barbara,

1524
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 4: went to La drove back up.

1525
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: Well.

1526
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: By the time I got to the trip, my parents

1527
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 4: knew that I was in a really bad place. I

1528
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 4: had seven dollars in my checking account. They're like, we're

1529
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 4: not going to give you any money for this trip.

1530
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 4: We'll let you still go on the trip, not gonna

1531
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 4: give any money. I basically like bummed off people. For

1532
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 4: those like ten days I was out there. And I

1533
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: got back from the trip, and I was supposed to

1534
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 4: finish an incomplete because I had k not gone a

1535
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: class all semester either, so I was supposed to finish

1536
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 4: it and complete. So I'm hanging out my buddy's apartment

1537
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 4: for like two weeks, and I would wake up at

1538
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 4: like two pm in the afternoon, I'd start chugging beers.

1539
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: I'd have a burrito party through the night, wake up

1540
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 4: at two pm. I did that for two straight weeks.

1541
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 4: No one knew where I was. I told my parents

1542
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 4: I was in summer school. I told Duke I was

1543
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 4: back home finishing my incomplete. One day, I get a

1544
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 4: fucking wrap rap rap at noon on the door of

1545
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 4: the apartment and it's Coach Collins and Coach Wojo.

1546
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: So I walked downstairs. I've literally got by the way.

1547
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: I have one outfit. I've got. It's an ABC.

1548
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 4: It's a blue Abercrombie shirt and Abercrombie cargo show.

1549
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: It was the time.

1550
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 4: It was the time, and I've and I've got these

1551
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 4: these flip flops that I had bought at the Gap

1552
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 4: in San Francisco, my last five dollars. They were on sale,

1553
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 4: and they're like, they're like, come outside. So I'm like,

1554
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: all right, So I'm two, I'm probably one ninety five.

1555
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: I'm two twenty five. Bro, I'm fucking fatty. I'm fat

1556
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 4: as fuck. I hadn't shaved in like three weeks. My

1557
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 4: hair is like sa frat boy hair, you know what

1558
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 4: I mean, a little wavy, little curently right over the years.

1559
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, come outside. We get in the car,

1560
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 4: we drive all the way back to camp possible, like

1561
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: where's your anxiety?

1562
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: I when these dudes knock on the door ten out

1563
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: of ten, ten out of ten, which is debilitating.

1564
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 4: Debilitating. There was bongs everywhere as well, like it was bad.

1565
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 4: It was a bad scene, beer beer cans everywhere. In

1566
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: a way though, and I'll in a way, I was like, finally, really, yeah,

1567
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: someone came to get me. I was like finally. And

1568
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 4: so they we go to campus. We're getting ready to cook.

1569
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 4: This is a random part of the story. But we

1570
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 4: get we get ready to turn on campus and Wojo

1571
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 4: looks in the rear of community. He's like, nobody said

1572
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 4: a word by the way since come outside. Like I

1573
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 4: just followed them into the car. We get to campus

1574
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 4: and he's like, so, what have you been doing? And

1575
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know why I said this,

1576
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 4: but I was like watching movies.

1577
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 3: I was like, all right.

1578
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 4: So they took me up to Coach K's office. They

1579
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: dragged me through the through the fifth floor. He's on

1580
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 4: the sixth floor. They dragged me through the fifth floor

1581
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 4: to embarrass me and shame me, which I love that

1582
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 4: they did that because wo Joe and Collins are complete

1583
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 4: assholes and I love them to death. So they dragged

1584
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 4: me through I'm like looking like shit, and then we

1585
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 4: go up to Coach's office. We had a lot, like

1586
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 4: a long hour and a half meeting, and you know,

1587
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 4: they they basically it was basically an ultimatum. It was like, dude,

1588
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 4: we're not gonna kick you off the team. We're not

1589
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 4: going to kick you off camp, you know, out of school,

1590
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 4: but you need to get your shit together, and like

1591
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 4: we're gonna get you, you know, the help you need.

1592
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 4: So like I started seeing a therapist, saw a therapist

1593
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 4: the rest of my time at Duke that summer.

1594
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 3: I saw a psychiatrist as well.

1595
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: They put me on a fucking hourly schedule that sum

1596
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 4: and it was dude, I swear to god, I still

1597
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 4: have the sheet. Is eight am, wake up, nine am,

1598
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 4: check in, ten am class, you know, one pm, study hall,

1599
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 4: two pm, court, three pm, weights, four pm run, five pm,

1600
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 4: pick up, six pm, dinner, eight pm, you know, you're

1601
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 4: in your apartment, ten pm lights out. And I did

1602
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 4: that all summer with they check in your apartment to

1603
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 4: it was funny because it was two weeks into summer school,

1604
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 4: so I didn't have i'd have petitioned the dean to

1605
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 4: get back into summer school.

1606
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: They let me back in.

1607
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 4: I took a class on the Civil War and there's

1608
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 4: the start of my transformation as a student as well

1609
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 4: that summer.

1610
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: I got basically straight a's after that.

1611
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: But because it was so late in the summer, they

1612
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 4: were like, we don't like all the all your teammates,

1613
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 4: all the managers, everybody, you know that they already have roommates.

1614
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: So there was this random dude, I don't know his name.

1615
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 4: There's this random dude on Central campus. They were like,

1616
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: there's a person that has an extra bedroom in the

1617
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: two bedroom apartment on Central Campus. You're gonna live with

1618
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 4: this person. And he'd no affiliation to anyone I knew

1619
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 4: any affiliation of the team. And I walked in the apartment.

1620
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, I'm going through some shit.

1621
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 4: I would appreciate it. I'm going to be friendly to you,

1622
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: but I appreciate it if you just like let me

1623
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 4: let me be for the next like six weeks.

1624
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: And he's like, what a first impression? Yeah? Yeah, So

1625
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: what did he say?

1626
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 4: To you, He's like okay, O, good, no worries, and

1627
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 4: I would like see him like later on, like my

1628
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 4: junior and senior.

1629
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 3: Year, and it was like it was like a passing,

1630
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: you know, sort of like I didn't know his name. No,

1631
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: he probably talks about you all the time. He probably

1632
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 3: talks about you all the time, dude, probably talking about

1633
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: he was instrumental and JJ reddick, jj reddick.

1634
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I met him, he was going through it

1635
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 4: was done. Yeah, see what he's done that schedule. That

1636
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 4: was life changing because that became the rest of my life.

1637
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't have done what I did in the NBA,

1638
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 4: or don't even done what I did. A duke had

1639
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 4: the length of career I had.

1640
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 3: I was. I mean, from that point on, I.

1641
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 4: Was a psycho. I was an absolute psycho. It was

1642
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 4: like diligent routine. My schedule takes precedence over everything. I

1643
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 4: need to get my work done, I need to get

1644
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 4: my sleep, I need to eat right. I'm going to

1645
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 4: go after it like that over and over and over again.

1646
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 4: And I did that for the rest of my career.

1647
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 3: Oh shit, dude, that's an incredible deal.

1648
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think like discipline Discipline's the number

1649
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 4: one thing you need for success, is what you're saying. Well,

1650
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 4: I think obsession is I agree with that. I think

1651
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: because even with like a creative you don't necessarily need

1652
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 4: discipline if you're super talented. I know guys in the

1653
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 4: NBA that aren't as disciplined as I was. I know

1654
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 4: guys that probably are more disciplined than I was. Like I,

1655
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 4: it's obsession. It's like the true love, the stuff we

1656
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 4: were talking about earlier about like fuck, man, I want

1657
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 4: to go have a beer on Broadway, or fuck I

1658
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 4: want to go, you know, have Thanksgiving dinner with my family,

1659
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 4: all those things, like we have to be more obsessed

1660
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 4: with the other thing. We have to be more obsessed

1661
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 4: with what we're doing. And I always was. I was

1662
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 4: always more obsessed with it, and it's you know, so

1663
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 4: it was like the obsession on one hand. Then it

1664
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 4: was like learning how to be diligent, learning how to

1665
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 4: have a routine, you know. I I developed this routine

1666
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 4: as a pro player. It was like it was sick

1667
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: because my routines had routines, and it was like to

1668
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 4: the minute on a game day, to the minute starting

1669
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: at eight am whenever I woke up, it was like

1670
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 4: to the minute. All Right, it's twelve thirteen, I've got

1671
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 4: seventeen minutes till I need to lunch. It's one fifteen.

1672
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 4: I've got fifteen minutes till I need to take my nap.

1673
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 4: I'm waking up at four pm. I'm calling the room

1674
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 4: service at four thirt Like it was just everything was

1675
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 4: to the minute.

1676
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: When you do stuff like that, though, does it ever

1677
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: feel like if something messes with that schedule, like your

1678
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: kids are doing something, your wife does something, you can

1679
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: argue with somebody and at fuck super schedual where you're nothing,

1680
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: you're now off the minute? Yeah, it does it fuck

1681
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: up your game? Did it fuck up your situation? Because

1682
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: being that obsessive, it would fuck me up in the moment.

1683
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1684
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: There was one example I can think of where it

1685
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 4: really fucked me up in the game, but it would

1686
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 4: fuck me at the moment.

1687
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example of that.

1688
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 4: My first game with the Pelicans were in toront I know,

1689
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 4: and again they don't know that I'm like this, and

1690
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 4: so Jamel McMillan, Nate McMillan's son, comes in the training

1691
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 4: room and I started my routine ninety minutes on the clock.

1692
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 4: I'm in the training room, sixty five minutes on the clock.

1693
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 4: I'm in the weight room, fifty two minutes on the clock.

1694
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 4: I'm on the court thirty eight minutes. I'm finishing up

1695
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 4: my workout. I'm back in the locker room at thirty

1696
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 4: six minutes, like I'm starting that first game. And he

1697
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 4: comes to the locker room and he's like, hey, man,

1698
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 4: you're shooting it. He made he said some time that

1699
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 4: was not my shooting time, and I fucking lost it

1700
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 4: on him, and I really Jammel and I are cool like,

1701
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 4: but it was our first interaction that we had had,

1702
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 4: and I.

1703
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: Was like, what the fuck?

1704
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 4: What kind of operation is this? That's not my shooting top.

1705
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 4: I agree to this shooting time this morning, I told you, motherfuckers.

1706
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 4: Like then, I'm like, okay, I gotta go apologize like

1707
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 4: seven people right now.

1708
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that was the game. That's the gaming, like

1709
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

1710
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 4: The one time was I was in Indianapolis when I

1711
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 4: was with the Bucks and we were it was a

1712
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 4: different hotel than we normally stayed at, and I ordered

1713
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: my room service and it never came and I went,

1714
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 4: you know, I'm like I'm running out of time.

1715
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 3: Now I've got to go down. I canna take my

1716
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: bags under the bus. So I went down.

1717
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: I go to the restaurant like, hey, room serves never came,

1718
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 4: like whatever, they go get it. They gave it to

1719
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 4: me a minute before my bus time. So I'm eating

1720
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 4: like on the bus as I'm walking in the arena.

1721
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 4: And I was like two for thirteen that night and

1722
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 4: just couldn't I couldn't focus on the game. Was it

1723
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 4: because of the because of the food, because the food

1724
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 4: is bad?

1725
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 3: Like you're, yeah, what do you think about the routine?

1726
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: There?

1727
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: Me up messed up your day? Here's it?

1728
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 4: So it was all about control for me. You know,

1729
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 4: I get here's what I can control. I'm going to

1730
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 4: control this and like you're now you're now fucking with

1731
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 4: my control. The one thing I can control is my

1732
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 4: routine and now you're fucking with it. And I'm pissed.

1733
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it fucked up? Looked yep, two for thirteen. Yeah.

1734
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: See, I've tried to be like that before during game

1735
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: especially in game day. But one thing I've realized for myself,

1736
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: when I do best when I had like I don't

1737
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: try to have control over anything as long as like

1738
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, oh, I just need to

1739
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: feel before this game starts. I could show up four

1740
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: hours before the game starts. They show up two hours

1741
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: before the game starts, it does not matter to me anymore.

1742
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: But at one point I was like that right after like,

1743
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: wake up at this specific time, go get in the

1744
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: cold tubs, go from there, Go get a coffee at

1745
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 1: that Starbucks.

1746
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 3: Let you know, get the coffee, you go right to

1747
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: the stadium. That. I used to be like that, but

1748
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: then one thing would happen.

1749
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: It would fuck me up, and then I would tell

1750
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: myself after the game, like, oh, that's it's because you

1751
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: messed up your deal.

1752
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I got over that at Duke. Like by the

1753
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: end of my Duke time, I was like, I'm my

1754
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 3: performance on the court is not because I made three

1755
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 3: out of four on the last spot of my routine

1756
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 3: and didn't make four out of four. Like I just

1757
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 3: got over that part of it.

1758
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: I think it was more about just like it was like,

1759
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 4: here's what I need to do to peak at seven

1760
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 4: oh seven or seven thirty seven. Yeah, when that all

1761
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 4: goes up and it's tipped, like here's what I need

1762
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 4: to do to peak at that time.

1763
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: So it was that was was what it was about too.

1764
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 3: Besides the control, it was like there was a reason

1765
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: that I did everything.

1766
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well I did time, I shoes a

1767
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 4: certain way and put on my clothes my jersey in

1768
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 4: a certain order.

1769
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 3: But it wasn't about lit perstitious. It was whatever. But

1770
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: it was like everybody's got a few, everyone's got a feel.

1771
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 3: You have a thing. Do you have a precision?

1772
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, not that I'm like thinking of, Like you know,

1773
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: I love a pregame latte. Yeah, but I wouldn't say

1774
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 2: it's like a superstition, like if I missed.

1775
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 3: It, I wouldn't like think a certain way.

1776
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 4: I mean, what if somebody said that we don't have lattes,

1777
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 4: We're just going to give you an espresso shot.

1778
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 2: That's like, oh, I'm good, you're not gonna take it.

1779
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: So it's not about the caffeine. No, no, no, it's

1780
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: not about the caffeine. It's just like the vibes going

1781
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: into the stadium. It's like about getting a latte. It's

1782
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: putting into the cup holder, it's turning up zz top,

1783
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: sharp dressed man, Lagrange, all this easy top, Cinderella Man,

1784
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: by eminem A lot of like old school bangers and

1785
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: like feeling.

1786
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 3: Good walking out the latte. What, no, Cinderella Man. That's

1787
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 3: a banger.

1788
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: You said the Eazy Top three times and all of

1789
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: a sudden it Cinderella Man.

1790
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 3: Eminem Oh this ez time.

1791
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, sharp dressed man lagrange yet Yeah, like Cinderella Man.

1792
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: Another one, like if if I'm feeling like I got

1793
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: to have like a comeback game or a get back

1794
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: on track game in my head, I'm going to Sendereleman

1795
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: when I'm walking inside, because to me, it's like I'm

1796
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: sending Releman.

1797
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: I'm the fucking underdog.

1798
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: All that kind of So you know what, we're all

1799
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: telling ourselves our story. Yeah, you're always telling yourself what

1800
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: do you need to do?

1801
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like I guess I think there's

1802
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 4: not is that because you listen to it one time

1803
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 4: before a game and you played well and then you're like, okay,

1804
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 4: that's my Yeah.

1805
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: Some of that yeah, yeah, like visualization, like running through

1806
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 2: the same reel in your head about like old plays

1807
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: that you've made, just to like see yourself do it

1808
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: and feel this and feel that. Yeah, it's like a

1809
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: kind of like a routine like that, and then if

1810
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: you have a baller game, you're like, yeah, I gotta

1811
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: go back to that kind of routine.

1812
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: But if it throws off, I'm not like flow state.

1813
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 4: It's it's like that's the lot the Superman talk about peak,

1814
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 4: getting to the peak, like hitting the peak at seven

1815
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 4: thirty seven.

1816
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the things I need to do to

1817
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 3: get into a flow state?

1818
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 4: Because as an athlete, like, if you're not in the

1819
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 4: flow state, you're okay, maybe you're shitty, but you're not

1820
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 4: like the best version of yourself your own head a lot.

1821
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: It's also one of the most difficult things to achieve

1822
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: is the flow state just be like nothing else matters.

1823
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: You're so present right now, you're not thinking about anything else.

1824
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.

1825
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: One time in Tampa was like before the fourth preseason games,

1826
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: the first time I made the team out right, So

1827
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: I was in my second year, went through preseason my

1828
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: anxieties at a ten because I'm like, this is it, Like.

1829
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 3: I gotta make the fucking team. Yeah, And uh I

1830
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: had I had I had ice cream before the game.

1831
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: The night before the game, I made myself up ice

1832
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 2: cream M and MS had some caramels and fudge on

1833
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: that thing. Fuck and the boy ball like the boy played, well,

1834
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: you gotta let the team and tackles.

1835
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 3: That game the boy the boy had.

1836
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so sometimes like that would be my reason

1837
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: for having like I I literally think back to myself,

1838
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, it puts me in like a puts me

1839
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: in a good mood. Obviously, some ice cream puts anybody

1840
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: in a game. But I'll like, if everybody's like, why

1841
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: you eat that the night before a game, you just

1842
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: worry about yourself.

1843
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: You just yourself. There are dudes there everyone.

1844
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't know every team you've been on, but Tians

1845
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: have a onunday station every night before a game.

1846
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: You're like, why the fuck is this out there? Makes

1847
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: sense to me, It's like, what are we doing here

1848
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 3: with this this thing?

1849
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: I feel you guys can agree, but we go back

1850
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: to the flow state thing. When you're in a flow state,

1851
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: it's like the game goes by so fast and it's over.

1852
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: But there's other games where you're not, like, you're the

1853
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: opposite of flow state. Don't know what that is unflow

1854
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: state and you remember everything, Like we played Michigan was

1855
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: playing Notre Dame. It was the night game when we

1856
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: came back. It was like a hundred a minute forty

1857
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: two left in the game. There's like five scores or whatever.

1858
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: That's when Denard threw it in the back of the

1859
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: end zone.

1860
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we won it.

1861
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: Anti Flow, thank you and uh me and my girlfriend

1862
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: who I was dating at the time, Me and the

1863
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: girls the other time, like I choose on her or

1864
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: she cheose on something happened.

1865
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 3: Like two days before it happened. I cheated on her.

1866
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: There was there was like a discover there's something was

1867
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: going on. But it was like it was during that game,

1868
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 3: and all I.

1869
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: Could think about was trying to get her back. And

1870
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: I played the entire game, and I played all right

1871
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: but pretty good decent, but like the whole game, I

1872
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: was not ever invested in that game.

1873
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, like, how do I make it

1874
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 3: up to this girl? Was she at the game? Probably

1875
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 3: it's one hundred and fifteen thousand? How can I tell? You?

1876
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: Know, sometimes you know where your girl sits and you

1877
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: feel like, no, I never knew anything like that at

1878
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: where they're sitting.

1879
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 3: No, I never. I never had that.

1880
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: And I not to think the NFL, where I knew

1881
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: like people whe people were sitting. Yeah, and my dad

1882
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: would always sit and want a certain spot, always kind

1883
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: of look up at him every once in a while.

1884
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 4: But my girl, every every game my dad ever came to,

1885
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 4: even youth basketball, yeah, I'd always like find him, find him.

1886
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 4: You're the flow state part is like when you're not

1887
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 4: in that state, you're thinking about what just happened. So

1888
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 4: it's like that you're carrying something to the next play. Yeah,

1889
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 4: And I always always be like, oh, should I have

1890
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 4: a turnover? Okay, that's like a tally. And then like

1891
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 4: I'd be like, all right, I made a shot. Okay,

1892
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 4: now we're even Oh I missed.

1893
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 3: A shoot you are teaching right now?

1894
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just had a good pass. That's a like

1895
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, like, what are you playing?

1896
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 4: You're not actually in the game. You're like doing this

1897
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 4: tallies in your head.

1898
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1899
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 4: It's it was very detrimental to the the overall product

1900
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 4: that I was trying to put.

1901
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: Out on the court.

1902
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: There would be times where I'd be like so stressed

1903
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: out about games that I would do that on purpose, Right,

1904
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: But okay, all you have to do is just play

1905
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: well in this series and you play this would be okay,

1906
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: that was a good play. I could have been on

1907
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: that play, but like that won't be like a minus,

1908
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: that'll be like I play on that yeah earlier. Well,

1909
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: no that you start playing the like a lot of

1910
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: times the way the greatest like minus zero plus zero

1911
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: did your job.

1912
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: Minus you didn't do your job.

1913
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: Plus you did something extra, something extra there, And so

1914
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: I like go and I have like a couple of

1915
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: I have like zero across the board, one minus and

1916
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: a plus. Bag I'm up and even like a plus

1917
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,560
Speaker 1: to me would be double what a minus was?

1918
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 3: You know in your head.

1919
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: But you're like playing this game so you can tell

1920
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: yourself I played good any way to tell yourself I

1921
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: did well.

1922
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 3: What about the feeling of.

1923
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 4: Being in the arena, being on the field, on the court, whatever,

1924
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 4: and just knowing that you shit, Like knowing that you

1925
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 4: are having September?

1926
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 3: What was the work again this year? Game of your life?

1927
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

1928
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, we and unfortunately we were all in and you're like, well.

1929
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 4: You can't escape it, and you feel like everybody knows

1930
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 4: that you're shit. Everybody knows you're terrible.

1931
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 3: What game was that?

1932
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: Worst fucking feeling as an athlete? Brochember twelve, twenty twenty one.

1933
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: I So I tore my ACL in October of twenty twenty,

1934
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: I'll have the four right so, and in my head,

1935
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, come back season. I'm with the boys, all

1936
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: these all these guys the whole year, telling like, hey,

1937
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: this would be a comeback here. I feel great, to

1938
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: feel amazing, and I wasn't feeling the best. I go

1939
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: into camp and I'm like, no matter, what is this

1940
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: better not be the film I want to see right now?

1941
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 3: Roll the tape. I'm like, I'm like, I have to start.

1942
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 3: I have to start a half to start.

1943
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: I go out to play. They announced the offense. I'm

1944
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: fucking women, crowds going wild. I gave up two sacks

1945
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: in that game, got dustin, Well, that's challenge Jones getting

1946
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: five sacks. This dude, Chileng Jones fit. He got five

1947
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: sacks in this game. I gave up two to him.

1948
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 3: This is me right here getting beat. But it feels

1949
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 3: like within the first three series, there's a there's some

1950
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 3: there's this is the next series. This is the next series.

1951
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 3: No chance.

1952
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: So I stop, stop, stop, stop stop it. So at

1953
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: this point I've given up two sacks. It's the first

1954
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: fucking quarter. Still and I'm like, I've never done that

1955
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 1: in my life. That's never happened to me ever in

1956
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: my entire life. We're in the first quarter of four.

1957
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm having a horrible game, Like there's no way to

1958
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: come back from it. It's got and it just the

1959
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: rest of the game just got worse and worse and worse.

1960
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: I'll be seen on the sideline and like, you just

1961
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: feel like everyone's looking at you. I went and got

1962
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: an IV because I was cramping. Thank God, that's what

1963
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: this sack is.

1964
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 5: Go.

1965
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: You can go back the second. This is a Kendall

1966
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: getting beat for a sack. I go back into the game.

1967
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: I played the Tennessee Times my whole entire career. I

1968
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: go back into the game, and what do they say, Uh,

1969
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: the announcer love, the guy's name is Matt did a

1970
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: real fucked up movie.

1971
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 3: Go Tail.

1972
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: Lajuana's back in the game. The whole stadium, not the

1973
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: whole sam, but the stadium starts booing, and I'm just like, Will, Yeah, Will,

1974
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: I saw Will up there.

1975
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 3: Me and his wife are in the suite just fucking booming. Yeah.

1976
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 3: It was tough, dude.

1977
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 4: It was the worst, the worst feeling in the entire

1978
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 4: world as an offensive lineman, when you get a penalty?

1979
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: What's going through your brain? Dot care? Same thing? No, No, No,

1980
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 3: Old Man and the three. We're in the Old Man

1981
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 3: in the three podcast right now, he's potting you up.

1982
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 3: Well yeah, okay, go ahead, you know what. You guys

1983
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 3: have the four. You guys have the four. I was

1984
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: gonna say, what's the worst moment, what's the worst what's

1985
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 3: that situation for you?

1986
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 4: Game one, twenty nineteen playoffs against the Nets. I was

1987
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 4: some shit and they kept targeting me and isoing me,

1988
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 4: and I fouled out with like four minutes ago a blessing?

1989
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 3: Did you foul out? You're like, yeah, I'm gonna try

1990
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: and foul out.

1991
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: No, I was a foul out of the Cardinals game.

1992
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 1: I would have done it is a little bit of blessing,

1993
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1994
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the great thing about it with other

1995
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 4: players that can produce, so like if you're having a

1996
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 4: ship game, sometimes they'll just be like, all right, we're

1997
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 4: gonna relieve him of his duties and we're gonna go

1998
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 4: with the other guy. Yeah getting benched, thank god, but yeah,

1999
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 4: I and then di'angelo Russell waved me off the floor,

2000
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 4: he drew the sixth file.

2001
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 3: He waved me off the floor.

2002
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 4: And as I'm walking off the floor, I was playing

2003
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 4: in Philly, the whole Philly, you know, crowd is booing me.

2004
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, which there insane thing. Yeah, and like that was

2005
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 3: that was a low point for me. That was a

2006
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 3: low point.

2007
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: You know.

2008
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 4: The other part was like playing with Chris, and I

2009
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 4: love Chris, but like he demands so much of his teammates,

2010
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 4: and there were games where like I would not play

2011
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 4: well and I would feel like this overwhelming sense that

2012
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 4: I let him down.

2013
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 3: You know that I didn't.

2014
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 4: I didn't reach his level that night, and that that

2015
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 4: probably hurts more than like getting booed by a crowd, right,

2016
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 4: because it's to me, it was always about like am

2017
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 4: I accountable to my teammates? If I'm accountable my teammates,

2018
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 4: like fuck everybody else, you know what I mean. So

2019
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 4: that probably those those moments probably were worse.

2020
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the worst. It's the whole.

2021
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 2: Two thousand I'd say, two thousand and sixteen Thanksgiving game

2022
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: versus Dallas Cowboys. Like I've talked about it before on here,

2023
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: but when I missed two tackles in a row on

2024
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott. Not only that, but Dak would check at

2025
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and I knew, like what the

2026
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 2: run plays were. He'd be like, he'd like step back

2027
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,839
Speaker 2: and be like whether it be like Pope or Giant,

2028
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 2: Like I would know what plays were coming and what

2029
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: they were che copies, Yeah, and I wouldn't know what

2030
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 2: the play is and tell people. And fucking he broke

2031
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: a tackle from me. I like, leave my feet diving

2032
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: off the diving board. And the second mistackle the first

2033
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 2: one was in my head and I'm thinking, don't miss

2034
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: his tackle.

2035
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 3: And you know that that usually never works out for you.

2036
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 3: Universe doesn't hear negatives? Yeah, And then they come there.

2037
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 2: It is right there, right fucking there, dude, And it

2038
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 2: was a big back, go back. They drive, they drive

2039
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: all the way down again.

2040
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 3: I want him to hurt like I did earlier. They

2041
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 3: they drive all the.

2042
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 2: Way down and score and we get to the sideline

2043
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting on the bench and those are that's

2044
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 2: a time for me when I yea.

2045
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he had a hand on me too.

2046
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: And then he does the fat.

2047
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, is he Elliott stole that from

2048
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: Don Robinson. And then they score and I go to

2049
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: the whole Your effort did not look great right there.

2050
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 3: That's a minus. That's a minus right there.

2051
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we can go ahead and say that. And

2052
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the sideline and I'm wondering. I'm like, man,

2053
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: everybody like it's a Thanksgiving game. Everybody's watching the Cowboys

2054
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: play on Thanksgiving, yep. And I saw an articles like

2055
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: the most televised like football game that year and shit,

2056
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: and it's just I'm sitting there thinking like, well, I

2057
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 2: wonder what people are saying about me on Twitter. That's

2058
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: to me, that was a moment when I knew social

2059
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 2: media and other stuff was consuming my mind more than

2060
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: you know, forget the last play, move to the next one.

2061
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: It was more like, I can't miss this tackle because

2062
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm on the big stage and everybody's gonna fucking think

2063
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm trash or no, that I'm trash. And that game

2064
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: is one of those games You're like, man, just get

2065
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: me fucking home and off the field.

2066
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing. As it's a weird thing as

2067
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 3: an athlete.

2068
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever felt this way of

2069
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: feeling like you've made it like you're a starter in

2070
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: the NFL, or you're a start in the NBA, and

2071
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, Man, I hope I don't get exposed.

2072
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 3: Everyone knows I don't belong here. There's a feeling. Yes, yeah,

2073
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 3: that's normal. That is Do you felt that? Oh yeah,

2074
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 3: that's normal.

2075
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 4: Okay, most I think most well it's years of therapy.

2076
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah I love that.

2077
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 4: No, but it's it's I think most high achievers in anything.

2078
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 4: If you asked, I don't know what the percentage is,

2079
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 4: but be a large percentage of actors, actresses, musicians, professors,

2080
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 4: like like, unless you're a narcissist like that has like

2081
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 4: delusions of grander like you, you really do think at

2082
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 4: times like I'm gonna be exposed.

2083
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to be exposed as a fraud. That sucks.

2084
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: It almost be better to be a narcissist. Honestly, it

2085
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like a nice deal. Like you

2086
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: just don't know. I agree with you that way.

2087
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like ignorance, I was, Yeah, I'm that. I'm that dude.

2088
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, you're not. You're like you guys are haters,

2089
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 1: But it's just fucking your narcissist. I'm I gotta become

2090
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: a narcissist twenty twenty two, Like shit, narcissist, Taylor.

2091
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.

2092
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: Hey, I do want to ask about your therapy. Do

2093
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: you feel like the therapy stuff is where that started

2094
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: to help you make your shift mentally in basketball? Like

2095
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: what did you learn from therapy about yourself that was

2096
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: holding you back?

2097
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 4: It's a great question. I think I I I learned,

2098
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 4: I learned who I was. I think I became more

2099
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 4: comfortable with who I was. And do you guys ever

2100
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 4: take personality tests?

2101
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the enneagram or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

2102
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 4: You know I've done. I did a bunch of college

2103
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 4: I did him in the NBA. I took one recently.

2104
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 4: My wife with me take one, and like fifteen twenty

2105
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 4: years ago, if I'd taken one, like on the introverted

2106
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: extroverted scale scale, I would be like ninety five percent introverted.

2107
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: And if it took one now, like I'd be like

2108
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 4: fifty five sixty percent introverted. So I'm still introverted, but

2109
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 4: I like have gotten enough comfortable enough with who I

2110
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 4: am and myself and enough confidence and like the person,

2111
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 4: not the player, but the person because I was confident

2112
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 4: as a person. I could navigate NBA locker rooms. I

2113
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 4: could be a great teammate, I could be liaison between

2114
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 4: the coach and the player. It helped me on the court,

2115
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just like I think it gave me

2116
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 4: a sense of perspective about who I was and my

2117
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 4: value as a human being. Again, it's like I'm nineteen

2118
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 4: and everybody's like, fuck you. You know, you drink your

2119
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 4: own pea. The best T shirt I ever saw I

2120
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 4: was at Maryland my sophomore year and these guys had

2121
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 4: these white T shirts done and my picture was on

2122
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 4: the front. So I went a little closer to see

2123
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 4: what it said. And on the front it said when

2124
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 4: I grew up, I want to name my kid JJ Reddick.

2125
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,799
Speaker 4: And so when I got close enough, they turned around

2126
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 4: so that I could see what was written on the

2127
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:14,879
Speaker 4: back and it said and beat him every.

2128
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 3: Day, which is.

2129
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 4: You know, that's savage, savage right, So like here again,

2130
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 4: I'm nineteen, I'm like, fuck dude, you know, so I

2131
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 4: think you drink your own piss.

2132
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 3: No, I never have. I never have. But it was

2133
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 3: a very clever, So it was I think it was.

2134
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 4: Like becoming like just just confident, like it's not it's

2135
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 4: I don't think it's egotistical to be like sure of yourself,

2136
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You could still be sure

2137
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 4: of yourself and be self aware enough to know when

2138
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 4: you're wrong, know when you fucked up, to know that

2139
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 4: it's not all about you, Like my dad.

2140
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 3: That was the greatest piece of advice I've ever got

2141
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: in my life.

2142
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 4: You tell me that every day as a kid, I'd

2143
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 4: complain about something like JJ, not always about you, not

2144
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 4: always about you. That helped me, you know, is a

2145
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 4: as a basketball player in a team sport. It helped

2146
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 4: me help me navigate everything. But I think I think

2147
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 4: that's what it came down. That's that's that's the real

2148
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 4: benefit Later on in life, you know, as I became

2149
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 4: confident in who I was, I you know, I still

2150
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 4: see I've seen a therapist that lives on the West

2151
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 4: Coast and comes into New York like once a month,

2152
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 4: and I talked to him on the phone. But you

2153
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 4: know that more is like almost performance coaching, you know

2154
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 4: what I mean by that, Like, and he was the

2155
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 4: guy along with my wife really you know, but he

2156
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 4: kind of helped me get that last one percent to retire.

2157
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 4: It was like, but ninety nine percent of the way

2158
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 4: there for like a year. It was such a hard

2159
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 4: thing to let go of. And so him and I

2160
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 4: like met a couple of times. We did a bunch

2161
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 4: of these like time value proposition exercises, and we worked

2162
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 4: through some things why I want to play, why I

2163
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 4: don't want to play, And by the end of the

2164
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 4: second meeting, it was like, oh dude, it's crystal clear,

2165
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 4: like it's not even as not even a question about

2166
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 4: whether or not I should retire. I should retire, Like

2167
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 4: it's it's time, and I was very comfortable with doing it.

2168
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 3: So damn.

2169
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you guys, you guys, don't you guys aren't

2170
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 4: in therapy see therapists.

2171
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, therapist every week? Yeah, absolutely well.

2172
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: I first started doing couples therapy before we got married,

2173
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 2: and then we like fell in love with the whole

2174
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 2: therapy aspect, like emotional intelligence all that stuff, Like I'm

2175
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: I like love like looking into that stuff because I

2176
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 2: feel like you're psyche.

2177
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 3: It's like everything right, like losing control.

2178
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: Of yourself in a moment, like figuring out like why

2179
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: am I reacting to this? Or why am I getting upset?

2180
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: Or losing control or what am I scared of? Like

2181
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: being in therapy and actually talking about like it's like

2182
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: it's like you get the dead ends, like when you're

2183
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: in conversations with friends or buddies or something else and

2184
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: you don't nearly you'll nearly go as far as what

2185
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 2: you would in therapy, like there's nowhere to go and

2186
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: you're in a safe place, and then they ask those

2187
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: extra questions that actually get you talking about.

2188
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 3: Like the underlying thing that like breaks you, and then

2189
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 3: you're in tears for.

2190
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: Whatever reason, and then you come out of it and

2191
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: you're like, you know, you start learning about your stuff

2192
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 2: a lot more.

2193
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 3: So I'm glad that I'm glad that this is a

2194
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 3: safe space for us. Yeah, this is this is definitely

2195
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 3: a safe space. You work with what's the dow's name.

2196
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 3: You work with Armando.

2197
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Armando he's part of cheat Code and it's like supposed

2198
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,719
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of things he does like sound

2199
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: waves and different songs and stuff like that, and you

2200
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: put those on. He talks you through stuff and it's

2201
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 1: pretty cool because you talk about what's what's bothering you

2202
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: in this moment. It's like a present feeling like what's

2203
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: what's the thing that's bothering me the most? And they'll

2204
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: be like, all right, look forward, like how do you

2205
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: feel when you look forward and think about it? You're like, well,

2206
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: I feel this way. And then you look right and

2207
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: look left, and if you're really present, you can notice

2208
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 1: like when you look whether it's right or left or middle,

2209
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: like some areas feel worse or better than others, so

2210
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: whatever is worse. He'll be like, all right, let's start there,

2211
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: or sometimes we'll start what's better, and then you just

2212
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: work through He's all right, now fixate on a spot.

2213
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: And then every sixty seconds, but what are you thinking

2214
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: about right now? And then he you start talking to him,

2215
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 1: and then at one point while you're talking, it'll be

2216
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: rambling him like stop stop right there and go with that,

2217
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: and then you just kind I keep working through it,

2218
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 1: and I'd say majority of the times ends in tears

2219
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: because you're just trying. Yeah, you're just trying to figure out.

2220
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out, you know, why do I

2221
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: you do certain things so that other people approve of

2222
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: you when you can't just approve yourself, Like what is

2223
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: that from from being a child or whatever?

2224
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 3: And like how do you get to a.

2225
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: Point where you're the only ones trying to prove some

2226
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 1: too yourself. And it's just it's like you said, like

2227
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: the whole growth thing is it's super it's the most

2228
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: important thing. It's probably it's the most important thing as

2229
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: a human to do. And we talk about reading like

2230
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: we're both like trying to read more.

2231
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 3: And when I go to read, I'm.

2232
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Like to look at a fiction book, like a book

2233
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: that's not real. It's not a self help with like

2234
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to go and read that

2235
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: because I could go find something that's going to help

2236
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: me like be a better person, you know. And so

2237
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: that's that's something definitely, And it's like you say it

2238
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 1: all the time, it's the most important thing, like with

2239
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: whether it's sports, being a father, being a husband, all

2240
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: that stuff.

2241
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: On the emotional intelligence, he's doing it again. No, I

2242
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 3: was not a question. And there's a comment to Will's

2243
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 3: comment is that Okay, that's right, okay, Kerry. Immediately we

2244
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 3: start talking it, No, I would say this is a.

2245
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 4: Little bit of a call back to what we were

2246
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 4: talking about earlier about what will I ever be good

2247
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 4: at anything else? And I think what I realized at

2248
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 4: the end of my career, and what I've realized over

2249
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 4: the last nine months is like when you develop that

2250
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 4: side of your personality and developed that side of your brain,

2251
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 4: you can fit anywhere. Being able to like what we do,

2252
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 4: what you guys have done for a long time, what

2253
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 4: I did for fifteen years and prior to that at

2254
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 4: Duke in high school, AAU, all that stuff, like what

2255
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 4: you do in a locker room and being able to

2256
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 4: navigate that year in year out, like that is building

2257
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 4: a skill set, and by building your emotional intelligence, like

2258
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 4: you can fit anywhere, you could do anything. I really

2259
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 4: believe that I'm not going to develop a rocket. It's

2260
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 4: going to take us to Mars. I'm not saying.

2261
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 3: But there's other like that that's like almost like a

2262
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 3: like a skill set that is overlooked.

2263
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, i'd agree with you. Have you read

2264
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 2: emotional intelligence two point zero?

2265
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 3: No? I haven't. Where do you get the emotional intelligence thing?

2266
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 4: From the first time I heard it was actually uh

2267
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 4: is now become a good friend of mine. David Solomon

2268
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 4: who now runs Golden Sacks. I met him he was

2269
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 4: not running Golden Sacks. It was not the CEO him. Yeah,

2270
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 4: it's a little flex but no.

2271
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 3: But it was like the first time. It was the

2272
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 3: first time I'd ever heard the phrase. I spoke at this.

2273
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 4: This was like in twenty sixteen, I spoke on this

2274
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 4: panel at this retreat that Golden Sacks was having for

2275
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 4: like tech and media CEOs.

2276
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 3: I have no idea why I was invited. I really

2277
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 3: truly don't know.

2278
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 4: But I spoke on this panel with Maverick Carter and

2279
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 4: Casey Wasserman and David and I spent some time together

2280
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 4: at the dinner that night, and it was the first

2281
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 4: time that he brought it up. Was like, you have

2282
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 4: good emotional intelligence, you could you know, you can work

2283
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 4: on Wall Street if you want it. Like, oh, so

2284
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 4: then I started reading about it. Then I started thinking

2285
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,600
Speaker 4: about like how it relates to my own life, Like

2286
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 4: it's it goes back to like anything we do as

2287
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 4: an athlete, like our routine, visualization, all that stuff. It's

2288
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 4: like it's like that constant flow state, and so like

2289
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 4: being able to check in with yourself, what am I

2290
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 4: projecting on other people? What is that person projecting onto

2291
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 4: someone else? Like I'm constantly thinking about that, you know

2292
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 4: what I mean. That's why it's been so enjoyable for

2293
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 4: me to have you guys in my chair and ask

2294
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 4: you these questions.

2295
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 3: Be very special. It's been a very special time. Are

2296
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 3: we doing tier talk? Oh, we get some tear talk.

2297
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 3: You have some tear talk. We can have some tier talk.

2298
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 3: Let's do some tear talk.

2299
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 2: Now my question, so tier talk, you guys are getting

2300
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 2: familiar with tiar talk. Everybody out there in the audience

2301
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 2: is something newer that we've done, but it's we have

2302
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: a tear system. We have our audience. There's tier ones

2303
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: out there, Tier twos and tier threes. Now we bring

2304
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 2: it into a segment where we rate things. Most notably

2305
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 2: recently has been the burger thing. That's one out there

2306
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 2: a couple of times where we rate.

2307
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 4: It in and out, which, by the way, what's your

2308
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 4: favorite fast food burger? I saw all that my favorite

2309
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 4: fast food burger Man. It's definitely not in and out.

2310
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 3: Okay, cool. All we need is the questions over. When

2311
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 3: the question is now over, like it's fine, it's not like,

2312
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 3: but you watch my thing and you're like, yeah, like

2313
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 3: I totally co signed with you. I'm like, it's like fine, dude,

2314
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 3: this is great. I'm having a blast. Okay, God, we'll

2315
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 3: talk about you know, let's see what his favorite fast

2316
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 3: food burger is. Uh, I'm actually a guy.

2317
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 4: I would probably say what a burger because I lived

2318
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 4: in Austin and that's probably like I think it's I

2319
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 4: think it's good. I don't what about we are like

2320
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 4: solid burger, Like are we doing like it's five guys

2321
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 4: fast food? Is that not fast food? That's that's a

2322
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 4: that's a big question people are saying right now. Yeah,

2323
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 4: because there's no drive through.

2324
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 3: Drive through, which I do like, I understand it's five guys.

2325
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 3: Is more on the fast casual side like Chipotle? Basically, Oh,

2326
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 3: I don't even think him a fast casual. It's the

2327
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,719
Speaker 3: second time I've heard that. Charles said it about Shakeshack.

2328
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,679
Speaker 3: She's like, Shakeshack, like Shakeshack, I think is awesome.

2329
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 2: She's like, but it's a little more fast casual because yeah,

2330
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 2: it's not fair there's no drive through.

2331
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you fancy, yeah, yeah, you fancy you.

2332
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 4: Think the number one burger is because I'm sure you've

2333
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 4: talked about you guys, but it's not.

2334
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 3: That's not fast food. Yeah, take okay, so just drive throughs.

2335
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 3: I bet you I bet you. Ben and Out Burger

2336
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 3: makes it up. There doesn't. I was gonna say shake Shack,

2337
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 3: but shakes I mean Hartys. Wow. Okay, Yeah, Carls Parties

2338
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 3: is fire. What a burger is good? In and out

2339
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 3: is good? And I said any but you're thinking in

2340
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 3: and out burger is better than what a Burger? No,

2341
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 3: you know you're just saying. I'm lying in and out

2342
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 3: Burger is better than you. In and out would be

2343
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 3: your number two best fast burger. Carls Jr. One in

2344
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 3: and out too. I don't know, man, Once five guys

2345
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 3: has taken out for you kind of falla because I

2346
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 3: think shakeshack is good. Yeah, you kind of fall apart.

2347
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 3: This is a classy bitch, dude. You know what I'm saying.

2348
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 3: That's funny as fu Alright, So basically so tears off.

2349
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 3: Go ahead. You rattled me. You rattled me.

2350
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking about anymore. I'm trying to think

2351
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 2: of other fast foods.

2352
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: We just found out that everything really stiled themselves on

2353
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: the last two weeks.

2354
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 3: It's not really anymore.

2355
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 2: I think the spicy ketchup is overrated at what a Burger?

2356
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,839
Speaker 2: M Okay because because Texas are big on that perfect

2357
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 2: the whole. The whole thing for me was coming from Missouri,

2358
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 2: like you'd be in the locker rooms and when you

2359
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 2: travel like a Texas game, or will you we go

2360
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 2: on the West Coast to play Arizona and the guys

2361
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 2: who are on your team or West Coast like, oh

2362
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 2: we got to go to in and Out and dudes

2363
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 2: from Texas immediate argument in the locker about what a

2364
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 2: burger in in and out? So I always look forward

2365
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 2: to going to these spots to try these both, all

2366
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 2: these different burgers, and now that I've had them a

2367
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 2: few different times each, I do think I wanted to

2368
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 2: like what a burger more because again I I'm more

2369
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 2: so like love to just argue against the West Coast

2370
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 2: people because they're so prideful about in and out burger.

2371
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 2: But I would say in and out burger is probably

2372
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 2: better burger.

2373
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 3: Than what a burger. Try fat burger too, Well, that's

2374
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 3: not all we drive through either, that's casual. Man, we

2375
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 3: learned something. Yeah, but on this tier talk we're gonna

2376
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,480
Speaker 3: be doing should we do pizza toppings or pizzas.

2377
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 2: To where you can combine certain toppings and well, but

2378
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 2: some people like just a pepperoni pizza Orch's pizza or

2379
01:39:58,920 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 2: like whatever, we're not.

2380
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 3: We're not toppings themselves. Yeah, yeah, that'd be difficult to do.

2381
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where i'd stand on that, But I

2382
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: don't know where you stand if I had to rank

2383
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: the number one topping.

2384
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, are we gonna say if

2385
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 3: if Taylor says show, I don't know how the tear

2386
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 3: talk were. I think it's best pizza. I think best pizza.

2387
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever is your best your number one favorite pizza tears?

2388
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: You know what, We'll do our three favorite pizzas and

2389
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 1: then you guys will tear it for us.

2390
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 3: No, what do you mean here for us? Because if

2391
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 3: we're doing tier talk, there's tier one, two, and three. Yeah.

2392
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 1: So JJ says my favorite pizza is X, and you

2393
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: say my favorite pizza is why? And I say my

2394
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: favorite peacha is Z. How are we gonna tear that?

2395
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: We can't because we'd al would say that our pizza

2396
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: is number one?

2397
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 2: Right, But that's what we did with Bert with the

2398
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 2: fast food Burger. We go one, two, three, like we

2399
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 2: quietly let JJ have the floor and he does this

2400
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 2: tier one through three.

2401
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: But if you're just making a pizza. There's no He's

2402
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 1: gonna make three pizzas for us right now.

2403
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 3: Off the top of my head. I can go. Let's go.

2404
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone. Yeah, I can say three pizzas. Okay,

2405
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 3: I'll figure out way to say three pizzas. You can go, last, Taylor,

2406
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 3: you can go.

2407
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 4: I'm always going last. F Now on JJ, you have

2408
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 4: the floor, all right, Actually gonna go. I'm gonna go

2409
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 4: in an order of how I want to eat these pizzas.

2410
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 4: That makes sense, Well, I don't know a little bit.

2411
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 4: More so, I like, if you go to a great

2412
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 4: pizza place like lu Colli in Brooklyn, I would I

2413
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 4: would want to eat them in this order.

2414
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 3: Not the entire pizza. I'm not that gluttonous, but maybe

2415
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 3: a slice or two of each.

2416
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: What I'm saying gluttness is one of those seven deadly

2417
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: since I've been glats.

2418
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 4: So I would start with two toppings that you guys

2419
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 4: don't actually have on this graphic here, which.

2420
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 3: Your number one? This is your number one?

2421
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 4: This is I would say, this is my number one pizza, okay,

2422
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 4: number one? Like I just want like shallotts and hot peppers.

2423
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 3: Shalattes and hot peppers. Let's just let them have the floor,

2424
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 3: did it.

2425
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 4: Second pizza would be what I call a twin special,

2426
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,640
Speaker 4: my wife's favored pizza. Along with her twin, I'll go pepperoni,

2427
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 4: white onion, green pepper. And then for kind of like

2428
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 4: a dessert, I would go with ricotta, sausage and maybe

2429
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 4: some some stage.

2430
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I fucked you guys up tonight. Yeah, I'll

2431
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 3: tell you what you did. Go chef special on us

2432
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 3: just now so my man knows it's pizzas well. You

2433
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 3: have the floor my Tier one.

2434
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: You already laugh because I just feel like you just

2435
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,839
Speaker 1: had some artistic ship and you're gonna go on sausage.

2436
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:48,679
Speaker 3: This is hard.

2437
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 2: My Tier one is very hard because there's a couple

2438
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: of pieces I'm thinking about. Well, either way, I got

2439
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: to decide how this Tier one. That's what the hard

2440
01:42:55,960 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 2: part is. But I think if I had to order pizza,

2441
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go.

2442
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 4: Wait, he texted me this last night, so he's he's

2443
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 4: had twenty four hours.

2444
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 3: I thought about the entire I thought about my one.

2445
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,640
Speaker 3: I know exactly what I have it.

2446
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go like a Sweet heat where

2447
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 2: you got pepperoni Halapao's I love onions, so you can

2448
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 2: just throw onions on them. That's not really part of it.

2449
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 2: But I do love onions. But you throw like a

2450
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 2: uh you get the red pepper flex. But you also

2451
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 2: drizzled honey over top. You drizzle honey.

2452
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 3: O hot honey. Yeah, MIC's hot honey. Yeah. I like that.

2453
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 2: My number two is Hawaiian. That's what battle for my

2454
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: number one. I'm a big Hawaiian pizza guy. I believe

2455
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 2: in pineapples on pizza. I am pro pineapple on pizza.

2456
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 2: And my number three.

2457
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 3: Big CPK guy.

2458
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 2: I love supremes, I love meat lovers, but I think

2459
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 2: if I had to order, I would go pepperonium bacon.

2460
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: My tier three, Taylor take it from here, brother, Okay.

2461
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: My Tier three is gonna be very basic, extremely basic.

2462
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be your Neapolitan cheese pizza. I think you

2463
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: can't beat it. You got a little bit of garnish

2464
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: on there, you got your cheese, your sauce, and I

2465
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 1: think it's fantastic with the fluffy crust, it's it's outstanding.

2466
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 1: That's my tier three. My Tier two is also the

2467
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,799
Speaker 1: Hawaiian pizza, but with a spice. You gotta throw banana

2468
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: peppers on there or jalapinos. I like a little spice.

2469
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 3: I with you. I have the four.

2470
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: And number one is going to be. I almost said

2471
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: yes when you said sopk because I'm a barbecue chicken

2472
01:44:54,360 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: pizza guy. That's my number one barbecue sauce. Really yeah,

2473
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: a little onion on there.

2474
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 3: I think it's out.

2475
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 1: It's my favorite possible pizza I can make for myself.

2476
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: Barb cute chickens, roburcoe chicken. Now that we're done, what

2477
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: the fuck was that?

2478
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 3: Dude? Yeah? What did you say? What was your number one?

2479
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 4: Shallots and what shallots and Pepperoni's shallots? Shalots on pizza.

2480
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 4: It's a cheek coat. What's a shalat?

2481
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 3: A shallot is like like a little onion right between,

2482
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 3: like a red onion garlic. I like garlic, Yeah, I

2483
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 3: like onions. I mean I like both those cook a

2484
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 3: little bit shallat and sheldon what uh? Hot peppers? Hot peppers?

2485
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 2: How some of those are like terrible and grease. I'm

2486
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 2: just thinking you're Tier one. You're like, hey, JJ, what

2487
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 2: do you want to eat? They got some with the

2488
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 2: shallots and not peppers on it.

2489
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 3: Here's the fuck, man, I am not not a CPK hater.

2490
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 4: I think I think restaurants like CPK Chili's TJ Fridays

2491
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 4: like they have their place in America, and I respect

2492
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 4: them and I've ate a lot of meals at places.

2493
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 3: Like that, But you're better than them.

2494
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 4: That question where you guys are eating pizza based on

2495
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,600
Speaker 4: you you guys saying Hawaiian pizza for both of you

2496
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 4: was number two, and a barbecue chicken, I said number one.

2497
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 3: I think question that.

2498
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 1: I think you can't touch barbecue chicken pizza if you

2499
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: have the right barbecue sauce on it.

2500
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 2: Brother, that's the one thing. Like I mean cheese to me.

2501
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 2: I was like, but everybody some people like like their

2502
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 2: cheese pizza.

2503
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a coastal elite here. Yeah,

2504
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 4: but I'm going to sound like a coastal elite.

2505
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

2506
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 4: You like I live in New York. I live in Brooklyn.

2507
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 4: Brooklyn is the best pizza in the world. Like the

2508
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 4: sh is discussed, what do you mean the ship that

2509
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 4: we're talking about, so you would need a sweet heat.

2510
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 4: I think you ragged it, like, oh that sounds pretty good. Yeah,

2511
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 4: you said that, you actually did. I think you said

2512
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:43,680
Speaker 4: that sweet heat sounded nice Hawaiian.

2513
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,439
Speaker 1: Pizzazza fire bro Yeah, a coastal elite, you guys should

2514
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: just sit on the traditional ingredients and you guys just

2515
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:50,600
Speaker 1: make the best pizza and that's it.

2516
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 3: That's how I think a coastal elite works.

2517
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 1: So I think by you doing, by you doing some

2518
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: special like challattes and hot peppers, does that make you

2519
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: a coastal leaders? Make you use your You're just a

2520
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 1: little fluffy. You're a Tji Frieders with some Fluff's what

2521
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me.

2522
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 3: It's just what it sounds like. But I will agree

2523
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 3: on the barbecue chicken part. The barbecue chicken throws me off.

2524
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,679
Speaker 1: Brokay, I'm not here to argue that part. I've gone

2525
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: downhill within an out burger. I've seen what the people

2526
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: have done. If feal will strw to do to me,

2527
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. Chicken pizza is honestly shameful

2528
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 1: of you guys to handle you yourself the way you have.

2529
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. I think barbecue chicken pizza

2530
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: is the best pizza. Baby cue chicken pizza. No, they

2531
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat Barbie chicken pizza. We wouldn't feed that to.

2532
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 3: Y'all fucking up. We wouldn't feed that y're fucking up.

2533
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 3: You like a Barbie? My daughter?

2534
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,639
Speaker 1: What's my daughter to mellow mushroom last Sunday? She wants

2535
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: to go back this, she wants to go back tonight.

2536
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Why I probably go get one tonight.

2537
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm in order the barbecue chicken pizza. Nope,

2538
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 3: hang on, no, I'm like go half and half now.

2539
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: Look here, wine is fucking give a little little heat

2540
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 1: on it? Right, Yeah, I'll put a little sweet heat

2541
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:50,839
Speaker 1: on it. Absolutely.

2542
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 3: I did like the sweet heat vibe.

2543
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 2: You want to know where you get that pizza at

2544
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 2: Ahead Midnight Oil. It's off of fifty first no free

2545
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 2: shouts to Midnight Oil. When you go to Midnight Oil

2546
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 2: and you order a sweet Heeatza pizza from min iaware

2547
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 2: with that, let him know the boy sent you.

2548
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 4: Okay, little something in there once, you know I sent

2549
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 4: me and uh, I wanted to just sweeteaed pizza. Please,

2550
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 4: It's it's phenomenal. Really, are you here until tomorrow?

2551
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 3: I leave tonight? Time? Uh ship a little bit? Yeah

2552
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 3: something like that? Yeah?

2553
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: Okay, is this one of those show up at seven

2554
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:23,719
Speaker 1: thirty things? Are we getting there a couple hours early.

2555
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 3: To my flight? Yeah? No, I don't get I don't

2556
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 3: go to the airport early. Who does that? I'm not

2557
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 3: a But here's what.

2558
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 2: We're trying to ask. Driving there to fly out at

2559
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 2: seven thirty? Are you getting there at an hour hour

2560
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 2: and a half.

2561
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 3: Before we're going through TSA? Are we not going through Tessay?

2562
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 4: Oh? I see what you're asking. I see what you're asking.

2563
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 4: You guys flew me down like I'm like this this

2564
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 4: trip was not on me.

2565
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 3: We didn't. Oh, he's right now, you know what he is, right,

2566
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 3: bar barstol Fleet.

2567
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: You're our first guest that we've flown down to be

2568
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: on us. Yeah, we've just started kind of doing that.

2569
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 1: You should ask for some money, probably would have.

2570
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 3: Gave it to you. Yeah, it's just my pleasure to

2571
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 3: be on the show man. I love that your show. No,

2572
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think I'm not a I'm not.

2573
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 3: I'm not that level. You guys really don't like barbecue

2574
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 3: chicken pizza. I don't like what we're talking about. Are

2575
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 3: we not talking about We're not talking about people about

2576
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 3: private jets? Yes, are too extreme right now to be

2577
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 3: doing that. I don't think barbecue pizza is trash. I

2578
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 3: just don't order it or I don't like it. To me,

2579
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 3: it's like, what are we doing?

2580
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: I felt that way about Supreme. It's really just staple.

2581
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, all the extra shit on it.

2582
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 3: Yours and I said it was solid.

2583
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: You have Barbie Chicken any Barbie CHICKI Chickens in the

2584
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: back there, Chicken Baking ranch. It's number one by far,

2585
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 1: Like it's not even fucking close that Hobbinaro cream pie.

2586
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: Holy fuck dude. Yes see, that's where it kind of

2587
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 1: throws me off when you start talking about pizzas, because

2588
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 1: there's like that's like a gourmet pizza, Like five Points

2589
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: is like Jack Brown's in a lot of ways.

2590
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 3: The burgers like you can't like just go like if I.

2591
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 1: Were to say to you, guys are like jalapenos, but

2592
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 1: the seeds carved out with cream, cheese on on it. Also,

2593
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense to be able to

2594
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: explain that pizza, you know, saying.

2595
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 3: I thought JJ's gonna explain something like that. Though he did,

2596
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 3: I think he did.

2597
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: I still we need an interpret to figure out what

2598
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: he said, Yeah, what was the Yeah, you said a

2599
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: little bit of stage.

2600
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 4: And that's where I was like, you guys have had

2601
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 4: like a fried sage leaf before, like a little bit

2602
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 4: little fried sage leaf on the sausage in ricotta pizza.

2603
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 3: That does sound like white sauce. Like I looked like

2604
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 3: a guy that had fried stage on my pizza in

2605
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 3: your life? You've never had fried sage? Did you have

2606
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 3: when you grew up? Fried stage? It's seven bucks?

2607
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 1: Is chicken count expensive? It sounds expensive? It just sounds

2608
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 1: expensive to me, York Like he's a very expensive place,

2609
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:36,680
Speaker 1: is it is?

2610
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 3: It must be nice? But what was that? Why don't

2611
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 3: you move on in Nashville? What's up? Sorry? I got

2612
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 3: to do what's question first? Well again, what was the dry?

2613
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 3: I can get you explained? What what about it? What

2614
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:51,640
Speaker 3: was what were the toppings? What else? Rikatta, cheese, sausage

2615
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 3: and fried sage? See, I think capable combo.

2616
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's like a tasty pizza for sure.

2617
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 2: But if we're just like inking our pizzas, dude, and

2618
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,720
Speaker 2: you're saying sage and Racanton sausage.

2619
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 4: I actually the best thing I heard from both of

2620
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 4: you was just a classic Neapolitan cheese pizza.

2621
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that's well, that's because I said garnish

2622
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: to you. Hear, I started sound fancy like you, I

2623
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: said garnish. So basically, what you just fucking said with

2624
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 1: all those fancy words is a sausage pizza with a

2625
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: little bit of age keys, a sausage.

2626
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 3: Pizza toast some that green ship on there. As what

2627
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 3: you said to the person on the counter. You like

2628
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 3: melow mushroom though I do melo pizza, I mean underrated pizza.

2629
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 3: I went with my daughter to a birthday party last week.

2630
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 3: Chuck E Cheese.

2631
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 1: Don't fucking at me, dude, That Chuck E Cheese is

2632
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: low key fire Peter Piper Pizza for those of you

2633
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:43,440
Speaker 1: in the West, fired.

2634
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 3: Chuck E Cheese in a long time. So I'll when

2635
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 3: and I went that, When and I went there, it

2636
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:49,680
Speaker 3: was the pretty money grown up so we couldn't go

2637
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 3: to Chuck E Cheese. That's crazy, that's crazy.

2638
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 4: We got the fried stage though, Huh, that's a lot

2639
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 4: of sausage and fried sage. He just said sausage and

2640
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 4: cheese pizza.

2641
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 3: I know he did. But he's also he's also like

2642
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 3: the only thing you guys said good was the cheese pizza.

2643
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, like, bro stop anything like you didn't

2644
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 2: react and I said sweet heat.

2645
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah you did say I want that because I almost

2646
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: because when you said that's a well, I almost said, hey,

2647
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: we don't react here.

2648
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 3: We don't react on the t your talk, do.

2649
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 4: You know, I know, trying to keep it. That's why

2650
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 4: I was holding it in while he was going picture

2651
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 4: when he said the sweet heat. I'm pictured.

2652
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,680
Speaker 3: There's a there's a place called Emily in Brooklyn. It

2653
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 3: makes a great burger as well as this guy. No,

2654
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 3: it's kidding. Good.

2655
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 4: Water's better up there, man, Like, what do you want

2656
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 4: me to say? The water's better for pzza? Why the

2657
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 4: bagels are so good?

2658
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 3: And bagels?

2659
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 4: No, Emily has like a like a sweet heat pizza

2660
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 4: that basically is the description of what you described, and

2661
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 4: they do a little MIC's hot honey on.

2662
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 3: The top and you've had it and I've had it. Fire,

2663
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 3: it's fire. It's a good pizza. You just don't I

2664
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 3: think you don't agree with pineapple and pizza. No it suns.

2665
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't wake up you know, well, who's the morning

2666
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:55,599
Speaker 4: and be like I'm going to think that I can't

2667
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,600
Speaker 4: wait people tonight and I want to put pineapple on it.

2668
01:52:57,680 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 4: Like that's just a weird thing to me. It's that

2669
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 4: mush mushrooms. I eat everything, but mushrooms.

2670
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't touch. I can't touch mushrooms. Not

2671
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 3: for me. Now, Italian truffles, I could.

2672
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Whiplash. I'm turning looking at you so fast, dude. What

2673
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 1: was the second pizza you said, because you were kind

2674
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 1: of did a run like a run on sentence.

2675
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 3: The last special?

2676
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 4: Huh, twins specials just simple pepperoni, white onion, green pepper.

2677
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 3: We just got to start naming our shit cool so

2678
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 3: it sounds better.

2679
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said white onion, like he said when he

2680
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: said the way when you I'm saying even out there,

2681
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: when he was talking like that, I legit talk to

2682
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 1: myself like we picked the wrong category that we're about

2683
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: to say sausage and ship.

2684
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 3: You know we're about to say basic ship. I believed

2685
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 3: in what I was about to say. I stay, I

2686
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 3: stay in tintoed down.

2687
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said twins pizza. He said ricotta. He

2688
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,759
Speaker 1: used the word ricotta. It stayed cheese. And what's crazy

2689
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: is he been thinking about that since last night. Yeah,

2690
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: he's a homework guy. He's got fifteen pages on both

2691
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 1: of us.

2692
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 4: She forgot where I was from the only reason I

2693
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 4: thought of all those pizzas because when I saw the toppings,

2694
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 4: I was like, shot, it's not there. Can I ask

2695
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,560
Speaker 4: you a heart went back to the the catalog in

2696
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 4: my brain. Can I ask you a hard hitting basketball question?

2697
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 4: Who's the greatest of all time?

2698
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 3: Man? Who's the go? I like that?

2699
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: Next second part question was Michael Jordan narcissist. I think

2700
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 1: it's like it's one A one B to me, I don't,

2701
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that answer. I want you

2702
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: to take a strong, sting one A.

2703
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 3: Who's a.

2704
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 4: It's weird because Jordan is who I like, grew up watching,

2705
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 4: but then Lebron is who I played against, and it's

2706
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 4: hard for me to like pick either one. Kyle Korver

2707
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 4: once said to me, He's like, you know, like MJ.

2708
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 4: I know, the accompliment accomplishments are great, but like MJ

2709
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 4: had to take two years off. So like the discredit

2710
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 4: Lebron gets for making eight straight finals, I think is

2711
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 4: kind of insane. So I'm I had to say it.

2712
01:54:58,800 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say Jordan.

2713
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 3: One.

2714
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Ah, that was your safe answer, because if you would

2715
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 1: have said Lebron, you'd got torched.

2716
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,880
Speaker 3: Jordan is Jordan? Okay? Lebron's your two? Oh yeah yeah?

2717
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 3: What about Kobe? Great player? Great player? Oh you know what?

2718
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 4: Here's Here's the other thing I've learned, especially in the

2719
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,080
Speaker 4: last year, is the you guys know what a stand is, right?

2720
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

2721
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, eminem callback This song is incredible, too, incredible song.

2722
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 4: What I've realized is that certain players stands are fucking

2723
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:36,160
Speaker 4: insane on social media. And I said a bunch of

2724
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:40,240
Speaker 4: nice things about Steph Curry the other day, and but

2725
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 4: the question was who do you want in the clutch?

2726
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 4: More Luca or Staph? I saw that video and I said,

2727
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, I said Luca. And the amount

2728
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 4: of hate that I got from the Steph stands, do you.

2729
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 3: Think he deserved it? A little bit?

2730
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 4: Greatest shooter of all time? Again, that wasn't the question,

2731
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 4: no game in the line, who do you want the

2732
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 4: ball in their hands?

2733
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 3: The question, yeah exactly, And I said, look, who do

2734
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:01,840
Speaker 3: you want with the ball?

2735
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 2: Who?

2736
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 3: Why? Dies?

2737
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 1: But if he if my man can just pull up

2738
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 1: at the logo and splash that thing into problem. Then

2739
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: we don't need size. Oh I sound like a basketball

2740
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: right now. Luca is big, he's a dominant player. He

2741
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 1: can't shoot like Steph. Everyone knows that no one can

2742
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: shoot like stuff. Okay, so why wouldn't you put Do

2743
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 1: you need a basket?

2744
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 3: Right? The whole concept of basketball is to put the

2745
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 3: ball in the hoop. The issue more is like how

2746
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 3: you go get the basket? You know what I mean?

2747
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 4: Like, so when I think about like watch, I think

2748
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 4: I look at statistics because they track those about your

2749
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 4: honest the best player in the world right now, you'd

2750
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 4: rather have Luca over him too?

2751
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 3: No, the question was the question that I got asked,

2752
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 3: was Luca or Steph? Well, and bus one of the

2753
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 3: boys WED like to throw in wrenches.

2754
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 4: You know what.

2755
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 3: There's like ten guys I'd like to have in the

2756
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 3: clutch with the ball in their hands. All right, but

2757
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 3: go on talk to me about Luca. Sorry, I did

2758
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 3: mean to throw you all this there.

2759
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:03,320
Speaker 4: What I was when I think about, like, who do

2760
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 4: I want to have the ball in their hands in

2761
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 4: the clutch, It's guys like Luca. It's guys like Lebron

2762
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 4: who have size. Because they're going to create a shot.

2763
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 4: Whether that's against the double team, whether that's one on one,

2764
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 4: they're going to create a shot. There's nothing wrong with

2765
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 4: saying Steph in that answer, by the way, and he's

2766
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 4: made a ton of clutch shots. I was basing some

2767
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 4: of it on just this past season. Steph was ten

2768
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 4: for fifty one from three in the clutch this season.

2769
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 4: So like, some of that is recency bias, which is

2770
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 4: another thing I've learned in the media. We all have

2771
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 4: versus of the moment. I like to describe stephen A

2772
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 4: as that. It's another phrase that I see that way

2773
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 4: I use. Yeah, yeah, it sucks. It sucks.

2774
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 3: I can't imagine.

2775
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 4: I can't imagine getting the point where like you have

2776
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 4: a show every day and you're like, man, I got

2777
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 4: to fill two fucking hours with the same take, but

2778
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 4: in a different way.

2779
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 3: That's tough. I like to pop in and pop out,

2780
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I loved what you love the clapping

2781
01:57:58,440 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 3: back you were doing on a mad Dog.

2782
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 2: I think every young generation athlete, young generation person was

2783
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:05,600
Speaker 2: fairly hype about that.

2784
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say, and this is not in

2785
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 4: sort of any direction towards Matt Dog. The one thing

2786
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,440
Speaker 4: I say is like I and I'm sure you guys

2787
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 4: have seen this too. I have witnessed and lived both

2788
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 4: in my own personal experience and my peers experience a

2789
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 4: lot of tired narratives around athletes. And you know, I

2790
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:34,919
Speaker 4: remember going through the lockout and seeing articles written about athletes,

2791
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 4: and I'm like, why is everybody siding with the billionaire

2792
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 4: owners and not the athletes. It's there's something about athletes

2793
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:49,200
Speaker 4: that people think we're entitled, that people think we're our

2794
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 4: only value is to entertain you on a basketball court

2795
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 4: or a football field, that we're not allowed to be

2796
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 4: intelligent and speak our mind or speak an opinion, or

2797
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 4: to protest or whatever it is.

2798
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 3: And it's so dehumanizing and so demeaning, and a lot of.

2799
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff that has gone viral on

2800
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:12,960
Speaker 4: first Take has been in a direct response to some

2801
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 4: of those narratives. And that's one example of it. But

2802
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,280
Speaker 4: you know, the other part of it I don't really

2803
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 4: want to talk about. Sure, the undertone I don't want

2804
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 4: to talk about, but you know, so much of that

2805
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 4: is like, hold on a second, Like the narrative is wrong,

2806
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 4: the narrative is tired. Let's let's start a new narrative

2807
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 4: that makes sense.

2808
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I do want to ask before I know.

2809
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 3: We've been We've had a long pot. We gotta play

2810
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 3: another game of pig. Is coach is Coach K a psycho?

2811
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 2: From the outside, When you watch a lot of situations unfold,

2812
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 2: it seems like a lot of things that he does

2813
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 2: seems very calculated.

2814
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 3: Huh and uh and yeh. So I'm wondering it's like,

2815
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 3: is coach K? I guess?

2816
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:03,440
Speaker 4: I guess when? Because my version of a psycho, my

2817
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 4: definition of a psycho. I I also use the word

2818
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 4: sicko interchangeably about when I talk about people. Gotcha, And

2819
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 4: what's your sort of definition?

2820
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 1: Psycho is pretty hardcore, over the top, very much, really

2821
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:22,880
Speaker 1: demonstrative on players. Hardcore makes you feel less than a

2822
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,919
Speaker 1: lot of the time, arcissistic, narcissistic.

2823
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:30,720
Speaker 3: Understand anipulative game that he can do with players. I mean,

2824
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 3: you played for him, There's been a lot I wouldn't.

2825
02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I think I think manipulative is the wrong word.

2826
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 3: I think.

2827
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 4: The word you use about calculative, I think that's probably

2828
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 4: more appropriate.

2829
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:47,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

2830
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 4: He's definitely not, definitely not a narcissist. He's definitely not

2831
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 4: a psycho in sort of the traditional sense. He is

2832
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 4: very intense and he's very demanding, but he's a truth teller.

2833
02:00:58,280 --> 02:01:01,760
Speaker 4: He is always a truth teller. And you know, my

2834
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:04,680
Speaker 4: four years with him, I say this sincerely, my four

2835
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 4: years with him, I never saw him have a bad day.

2836
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:11,760
Speaker 4: Like not what he's on. He's on every day. We

2837
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 4: get back from Virginia Tech. On the bus at three am.

2838
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 4: He you know, we lose meeting. You know, we're in

2839
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 4: there for an hour. We got practice. The next day,

2840
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,000
Speaker 4: he's on the bike at six am. He comes to practice, energize,

2841
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 4: ready to go, ready to coach. He's like that with

2842
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:29,880
Speaker 4: every team he's ever been on. He's so invested in

2843
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:33,200
Speaker 4: and takes such ownership you know, or did take such

2844
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 4: ownership of being a coach, being a duke basketball coach,

2845
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:41,840
Speaker 4: like that program. He's phenomenal. And I get to a

2846
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:45,320
Speaker 4: degree when someone sees him motherfucking a raft or motherfucking

2847
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:46,080
Speaker 4: a nineteen year.

2848
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 3: Old, Like I get why people are like, oh, he's

2849
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 3: he's a psycho. He's a psycho.

2850
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 4: But like I actually would say, all the good shit

2851
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 4: that said about him is true. And then some like

2852
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 4: he's my dad is the greatest man that I've ever known.

2853
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:03,280
Speaker 4: I didn't have to look far for a role model.

2854
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 4: Coach is the second. Like Coach is phenomenal.

2855
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:08,880
Speaker 3: And I.

2856
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 4: Became friends with him my junior year and we've been

2857
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 4: friends now for whatever that is, seventeen years.

2858
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 3: He's like such.

2859
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:19,720
Speaker 4: An important part of my life and it has been

2860
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:22,960
Speaker 4: for you know, since two thousand when I committed, like,

2861
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 4: he's just he's the man.

2862
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 3: I love that dude.

2863
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:28,720
Speaker 4: After your little stint your sophomore year when you were

2864
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 4: brought back and put on a big schedule, did you

2865
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 4: and him ever talk about it, like reminisced maybe a

2866
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 4: couple of years ago about it, like, hey, you were

2867
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:37,480
Speaker 4: was worried about you there for a second.

2868
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:39,320
Speaker 3: Do you ever give you that he didn't know if

2869
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 3: you're going to make it.

2870
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about it when he came

2871
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:44,000
Speaker 4: on the podcast in the fall of twenty twenty. But

2872
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 4: actually the moment we became friends and the moment that

2873
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 4: I felt like he wasn't just my coach was that

2874
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,680
Speaker 4: following spring we lost in the sweet sixteen to Michigan

2875
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 4: State in Austin War School.

2876
02:02:58,160 --> 02:03:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, terrible, And you know, I had I had gone.

2877
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:06,200
Speaker 4: Through all that my sophomore year, and then I, you know,

2878
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,520
Speaker 4: got a CC Player of the Year, ACC Tournament, Tournament,

2879
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,160
Speaker 4: m v P First Team All American, I got one

2880
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 4: of the national Player of the Year awards.

2881
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 3: I got the Rough Award, and we yeah, let's give

2882
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:22,960
Speaker 3: it context. Context matters. Yeah, no doubt high point, no

2883
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:24,840
Speaker 3: doubt point. Uh.

2884
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 4: So he called he called me into where we lose

2885
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 4: at the arena. We're all emotional, I'm crying, and we're

2886
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,200
Speaker 4: get on the bus. He's like, hey, come to my

2887
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 4: hotel room. We'll get back to the hotel and we

2888
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 4: went in there and we basically talked about that. We

2889
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 4: talked about that day in May of two thousand and

2890
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 4: four when he dragged me, when they dragged me to

2891
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,520
Speaker 4: the office. Talked about that summer, everything I'd done. We

2892
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 4: talked about the season. He talked about how proud he

2893
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 4: was of me, like I was a lifer at that point,

2894
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:53,360
Speaker 4: like I was a coach klifer.

2895
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 3: He was, he was a friend from that point on. Yeah,

2896
02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:58,200
Speaker 3: that is awesome.

2897
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 2: And then one last thing, another one last thing, the

2898
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:05,000
Speaker 2: gambling story of you almost coming to blows with one

2899
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 2: of your teammates. Yeah, I heard you said it was

2900
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:10,200
Speaker 2: one of the closest times. Uh yeah, I mean I

2901
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,240
Speaker 2: ever came up fighting a teammate. Yeah, I mean I've

2902
02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 2: got I've gotten hit by teammates before, Like you've gotten

2903
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,200
Speaker 2: punched by teammate, Yeah, he did.

2904
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:18,280
Speaker 3: Turculu used to hit me.

2905
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 4: He hit me a couple of times, a couple of

2906
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:22,800
Speaker 4: times when I was like a rookie, and then once

2907
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 4: again my like my third year, he just like to

2908
02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:24,920
Speaker 4: fuck with me.

2909
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:25,720
Speaker 3: But I like.

2910
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 4: He got into a little scrap with Carlos Arroyo, Me

2911
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,080
Speaker 4: and Brian Cook got into it one time. Like I

2912
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 4: never like came to blows with a guy in practice,

2913
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:36,560
Speaker 4: but like I was trying to fight find a place

2914
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:38,000
Speaker 4: in the lead like in the league.

2915
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:41,680
Speaker 3: So I was just scrappy in practice.

2916
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:43,800
Speaker 4: And if you're a vet, like in his shoot around,

2917
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:46,680
Speaker 4: I guess one of the times Turkuleu elbowed me in

2918
02:04:46,760 --> 02:04:49,520
Speaker 4: the in the eye and gave me a black eye.

2919
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 4: He's just like I was playing too hard to post

2920
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:54,040
Speaker 4: defense when we were we weren't walking through players, we

2921
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,240
Speaker 4: were running through plays and he just turns and he

2922
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 4: like noticed it was me and he caught me.

2923
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 3: In the elbow, got it with an elbow. The Justin

2924
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 3: Anderson story, basically, everybody in the NBA plays Boe Ray.

2925
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:06,880
Speaker 3: Do you guys play bou Ray? In the Okay, everybody

2926
02:05:06,920 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 3: plays blue Ray.

2927
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,600
Speaker 4: So there's a there's a player's cabin on we used

2928
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:12,840
Speaker 4: Delta charter flight, so on the player's cabin there's always

2929
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 4: a table, and then there's a bunch of other seats.

2930
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:19,760
Speaker 4: So the table is four card games and so playing

2931
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:23,400
Speaker 4: bou Ray. And there had been some tension building between

2932
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 4: Justin Anderson and another teammate of mine. They were going

2933
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:29,440
Speaker 4: back and forth. They sat next to each other, so

2934
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 4: their actions directly affected the other player's actions, right, whether

2935
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 4: or not the guy stayed in the game, whether or

2936
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:37,680
Speaker 4: not a guy went for a boo or didn't go

2937
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 4: for boot like, it all affected each other. So they

2938
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:44,640
Speaker 4: were kind of mouthing off, and Justin wanted a pretty

2939
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:47,240
Speaker 4: big hand to not count because he felt like there

2940
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:51,480
Speaker 4: was a discrepancy in how that particular hand had been played.

2941
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 3: And we had been drinking as well.

2942
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 4: There had been some wine on the flight, and so

2943
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:04,720
Speaker 4: there was Amir Johnson, me, Jared Bayliss, Justin Anderson diagonal

2944
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 4: to me, and then there wasn't a fifth seat, so

2945
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:09,760
Speaker 4: Joel would sit on the arm rest in the aisle.

2946
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 3: Joel and Vie would sit on the arm rest in

2947
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:13,560
Speaker 3: the aisle, and UH.

2948
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:18,720
Speaker 4: Basically got to the point where their bullshit was sabotaging

2949
02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:21,320
Speaker 4: the general flow and enjoyment of the cart.

2950
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 3: It was ruining the night. It was ruining the night. Yes,

2951
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 3: thank you. Yeah.

2952
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:27,680
Speaker 4: So I got a little vocal and then he got

2953
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:30,520
Speaker 4: vocal back with me, and then I said, you're a

2954
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,800
Speaker 4: little bitch. And he said, what did you say? And

2955
02:06:32,840 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 4: I said you're a little bit. I doubled down, and ma'am,

2956
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:38,400
Speaker 4: I'm not proud of this, Like I just said, I

2957
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:40,000
Speaker 4: said you're a bitch. And he said, what did you say?

2958
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 4: I said, I said, you heard me. I said you're

2959
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 4: a bitch. And then he like stood up on the

2960
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:48,840
Speaker 4: table and like you know, almost swung on me. Joel

2961
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:51,880
Speaker 4: luckily like grabbed him, and then all these flight attendants

2962
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 4: that were on the plane like came, I don't know

2963
02:06:54,040 --> 02:06:56,840
Speaker 4: why they broke up this stuffle, but they broke it up.

2964
02:06:58,040 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 4: Had he swung on me like I'm sitting down, he's

2965
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 4: standing up on a table.

2966
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:03,760
Speaker 1: He would have won that fight. But I want to

2967
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:05,800
Speaker 1: know I will gone by the ankles, dude, give him

2968
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 1: a toss. I would have lost. Dude, those the tables

2969
02:07:09,160 --> 02:07:11,080
Speaker 1: are like here, like there's no leverage.

2970
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:13,400
Speaker 3: I was stuck. I was stuck. I would have lost.

2971
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:14,880
Speaker 3: You're a little bitch, dude.

2972
02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:18,840
Speaker 1: You gotta think if you're really going to fight somebody,

2973
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 1: well he's taking the time to get up on that table.

2974
02:07:20,640 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 4: You gotta make a move. Yeah, you know if you're

2975
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:25,040
Speaker 4: gonna win. That fight was the flight attendants. They obviously

2976
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:27,560
Speaker 4: fly with all the other teams. The word got around

2977
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 4: that that had happened, So I had a bunch of

2978
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,160
Speaker 4: texts from buddies around the league that, like, I heard

2979
02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:33,960
Speaker 4: you guys got into a fight, you know whatever.

2980
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:35,760
Speaker 3: I was like, No, there's nothing, It was nothing like

2981
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:39,080
Speaker 3: what happened after you guys? Cool? Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

2982
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:42,960
Speaker 3: I'd have to ask him. Jay's my guy.

2983
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:49,320
Speaker 2: We appreciate you going on, man, Thanks been unreal to

2984
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:53,040
Speaker 2: your flight. Hey Jack, is he doing the green screen?

2985
02:07:54,200 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 3: All right? Cool? Did I appreciate it? Man? Anything else?

2986
02:07:56,960 --> 02:08:00,720
Speaker 3: Anybody got anything? You trying to? Had the pig one

2987
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:05,560
Speaker 3: on one? What pig? Uh No, I don't think so.

2988
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:07,320
Speaker 3: I don't think so. He's scared.

2989
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 2: Is anybody better than you at the collegiate level of

2990
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,840
Speaker 2: all time shooter Steph.

2991
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:14,880
Speaker 3: Really yeah, it's Seph would have.

2992
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:18,720
Speaker 4: I mean, there's other guys that have surpassed like the

2993
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:21,280
Speaker 4: three point thing, but Steph would have shattered it.

2994
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:23,480
Speaker 3: Had he played one more year, he would have shattered it.

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Speaker 3: I think I was I don't know who I was

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Speaker 3: having this conversation with. It was somebody the other day,

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Speaker 3: like I think why. I think why.

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, oh it is omar omar from my

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Speaker 4: house highlights Omar Omaraja now is sports Center. We were

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Speaker 4: talking about this two days ago and I was telling

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Speaker 4: him it's like part of the reason, like the Duke

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Speaker 4: version of me is, you know, there's.

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Speaker 3: A legacy to that.

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Speaker 4: I think a little bit even though I didn't win

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Speaker 4: a championship, and oh, there definitely is. Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 4: there's a little bit of like if you were growing

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Speaker 4: up in that area you watch college basketball. But I

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Speaker 4: think the reason is number one because I played for

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Speaker 4: Duke and like people hated Duke and there was divisiveness there.

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Speaker 4: The second reason, though, is like my draft class was

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Speaker 4: the last draft class before the one and done era,

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Speaker 4: So I feel like my time in college basketball was

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Speaker 4: like the time in college basketball that we all knew

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Speaker 4: and we all grew up knowing. Now with the one

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Speaker 4: and done, it's just different, Like you don't have that attachment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in and out.

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Speaker 4: Most people don't even pay attention till March Madness anyways.

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Speaker 4: So now it's like back then, it was like you

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Speaker 4: and Adam Morrison, Yes, yeah, and you know, and then

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Speaker 4: you and c was awesome.

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Speaker 3: When I was there, they want to know five.

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Speaker 4: You know, we had some great games with them, So

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Speaker 4: I and they were all upperclass when like all those

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Speaker 4: guys left it, they were all my high school class,

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Speaker 4: and they all left after their junior year.

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Speaker 3: I decided to stay one more year. So I just

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Speaker 3: think it was like part of part of it was

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Speaker 3: like just the era we were in.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily like I did anything that was that

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Speaker 4: much special relative to other great college basketball players.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're pretty good, so I was. I mean

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, you weren't decent eleventh overall pack,

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Speaker 3: you're pretty solid. I was. I was good lem the

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