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Speaker 3: A lot of people looking around going, well, now what
Speaker 3: do we do? The NFL's over, college football is over.
Speaker 3: We could pile on the Lakers, who uh defecated down
Speaker 3: the side of their leg last night.
Speaker 4: I haven't been bad.
Speaker 5: The Hornets, they haven't been good, man, since Luca's gotten there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there haven't been bad since Luca's got there. They
Speaker 4: just lost to the Hornets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's played it. The horns are fourteen thirty nine.
Speaker 4: What they might have three losses since he's gotten there.
Speaker 4: I think they're like, he's only played three games. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but since he's gotten there, so yeah, he's he.
Speaker 5: Hasn't scored more than twenty in any game. I don't
Speaker 5: think has he.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think their record since he's
Speaker 4: gotten there, like it was like ten and two or something,
Speaker 4: eight and two something like that. Might have some recency
Speaker 4: bas but they looked awful last night.
Speaker 5: So I mean, does eight and two matter if he's
Speaker 5: only playing three games?
Speaker 4: I mean, just the record, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess he hasn't contributed directly in the game and
Speaker 4: say he's gotten there ye.
Speaker 5: Off an injury. You guys are missing the point, like
Speaker 5: he literally has not only played in three games.
Speaker 4: I think you guys are exercising like self hate here
Speaker 4: man like internal hate, brou like, y'all need to stop that.
Speaker 4: It's his influence over the team that has changed. What
Speaker 4: that's the point you guys are missing. Okay, Luca's in
Speaker 4: the Luca effect. Yeah, you guys are doing.
Speaker 3: You're you're making a mockery of our summer. That's what
Speaker 3: you're doing. This is our summer. Yeah, long ways off
Speaker 3: and that all I'm gonna say is.
Speaker 2: We're taking over.
Speaker 5: They're they're one and two. By the way, in the
Speaker 5: three games he's played since they've been back you know Utah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: actually they split with Utah. Yeah before they lost.
Speaker 4: You know, you guys are hating Just I'm just letting
Speaker 4: you guys know they're they're on their way up. You know,
Speaker 4: just be bitter because we're taking over. They're ranked fifth
Speaker 4: they're ready, They're they're ready to go. They're thirty four
Speaker 4: and twenty one, take six in the Super Bowl. Lucas
Speaker 4: getting back right. That's the contest.
Speaker 5: The contest is that three years in a row now
Speaker 5: by the three point shootout? Is that the greatest three
Speaker 5: p that's not being talked about is Mack mcclunk.
Speaker 4: One, an irishman just went and took from you. I mean,
Speaker 4: y'all did give it to him this year. There were
Speaker 4: there was another fella that had better dunks than he did,
Speaker 4: that happened to be different than him. But you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's kind of sometimes that's the the you get
Speaker 4: the business. Well, sometimes the excuse is you get the
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt, you know, that's all. It's like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, his dunk is so much better because
Speaker 4: he was able to do that dunk. Because fill in
Speaker 4: the blank is the dunk contest? The right of passage
Speaker 4: in the NBA not anymore?
Speaker 5: Well, no, no, no, But but like that's the wrong answer,
Speaker 5: because it's either right of passage or it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not anymore.
Speaker 5: Okay. So here's what I said, then, is if you
Speaker 5: are one of the all time greats Jordan did it,
Speaker 5: Kobe did it, Doctor j did it. Lebron's ever done it?
Speaker 4: Correct, That definitely works against him, Like what are you
Speaker 4: afraid of? Like, get out there and dunk, Which is interesting.
Speaker 5: Because you'd think he'd win one if he did do it,
Speaker 5: because he's maybe the greatest athlete the NBA has ever seen.
Speaker 4: You would think again, I said they made they made
Speaker 4: documentaries off of Michael Jordan doing dunk contests. I mean,
Speaker 4: you made it a point to redo space Jam. Why
Speaker 4: wouldn't you go out there and dunk? Like I felt
Speaker 4: like space Jam was a product of Mike Doan come
Speaker 4: fly with me, which was a product of him doing
Speaker 4: dunks in the dunk contests. Hey, you guys had your run.
Speaker 4: Well it's that bro cats, you just don't want to
Speaker 4: do it anymore, like if you had the best of
Speaker 4: the best doing it. But still with him the way
Speaker 4: his dunks are pretty fly, I'm not gonna lie to you, Like,
Speaker 4: no matter who would be out there, those dunks would
Speaker 4: be pretty hard to outdo, they'd be pretty hard to outdo.
Speaker 5: So good for he had a perfect score this year.
Speaker 4: I think when you see guys get the opportunity to
Speaker 4: showcase their athleticism in those dunk contests. I think that
Speaker 4: that's what makes them so cool to watch in the past.
Speaker 4: That's what I told you this on Maybe Q. You
Speaker 4: weren't on the show, but I was like, you got
Speaker 4: to know players that you wouldn't normally get to know,
Speaker 4: Like Kenny Skywalker is one of the biggest names that
Speaker 4: jump out at me where it was like I didn't
Speaker 4: know who he was. It was an obscure name. You
Speaker 4: wouldn't have known what team he played for, what he did,
Speaker 4: who he was. Then all of a sudden, you see
Speaker 4: this dude come out from the New York Knicks and
Speaker 4: he's doing like air ballet, Like the dunks he was
Speaker 4: doing were crazy for that time period, and he won,
Speaker 4: and people knew who he was after that, and he
Speaker 4: had a nickname Kenny Skywalker. Like I don't know, I
Speaker 4: just you know. I think it's changed. I think the
Speaker 4: idea of it has changed. I think what it represented changed.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of clout that was connected to
Speaker 4: whenning a dunk contest at some point in time, and
Speaker 4: I don't think that it exists anymore.
Speaker 5: So I bring this up because Brendan Hayward talked about
Speaker 5: the NBA All Star Games. Decline has basically occurred since
Speaker 5: Kobe left, and obviously Kobe did the dunk contest, but
Speaker 5: it brings up an earlier point where I was talking
Speaker 5: this week just about the difference between watching the Four
Speaker 5: Nations USA Canada game as compared to and on at
Speaker 5: the same time as the NBA All Star Game and
Speaker 5: the lack and intensity of it. And I think when
Speaker 5: I heard the comments from Brendan Hayward about, you know,
Speaker 5: the decline and why it's declined what he was talking about,
Speaker 5: I keep harkening back to this idea of intensity, and
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that stands out to
Speaker 5: me is if you look at the torch that has
Speaker 5: been passed from Michael to Kobe, Kobe, if you willed
Speaker 5: it to Lebron, those guys set the tone. Like I've
Speaker 5: always felt like, you know and walk through periods for football,
Speaker 5: for example, your leaders, your impact guys, your stars are
Speaker 5: the ones that set the tone. Like I'll never forget
Speaker 5: Von Miller when he came in as a rookie and
Speaker 5: he took every single period like it was a game rep.
Speaker 5: It didn't matter if it was a walkthrough, and I
Speaker 5: remember it literally used to cause fights with offensive linemen
Speaker 5: in Denver because of how hard he wanted to come
Speaker 5: off the ball and all that. And eventually, eventually what
Speaker 5: ended up happening was, you know, after the coaches would
Speaker 5: say something, the players would get in a fight and
Speaker 5: there'd be a little bit of that going on. They
Speaker 5: would just let him do his thing because he was
Speaker 5: obviously so successful at what he was doing. They weren't
Speaker 5: going to change what they were doing. But they weren't
Speaker 5: going to just do a full out one on one
Speaker 5: rep with them either. And I look at and I
Speaker 5: compare that to like, what what's happening in the NBA
Speaker 5: All Star Game is. You know, you had SGA, you
Speaker 5: had Wemby, you had guys who were out there competing
Speaker 5: and there's a level of intensity. But when Lebron sits
Speaker 5: out and when he's not a part of that, and
Speaker 5: when he's kind of been the the bearer, if you will,
Speaker 5: the torch bearer for the NBA. Now since Kobe, you
Speaker 5: look at it and say, like, well, how much responsibility
Speaker 5: does he really have in all this? Since he's ultimately
Speaker 5: the tone setter. You know, when things happen in the league,
Speaker 5: when there's a shape is shape, and a shakeup and
Speaker 5: different things that occur. He's usually behind the scenes part
Speaker 5: of it. Clutch Sports is behind the scenes part of it.
Speaker 5: And so I kind of look at it and go, well,
Speaker 5: is that part of the decline? The fact that, like,
Speaker 5: you've got someone who's who's obviously been one of the
Speaker 5: greatest of all time. There's no one going to dispute that.
Speaker 5: But are we at where we're at because of this
Speaker 5: transition in the way maybe Lebron views the league and
Speaker 5: Lebron views the NBA All Star Game as compared to
Speaker 5: Kobe and Michael and some of the other guys who
Speaker 5: kind of carried the ch for the NBA before that.
Speaker 4: I think what you're saying at the last part with
Speaker 4: Kobe and Mike, I think is what's damning. If what
Speaker 4: you're saying is true, If it's accurate that the decline
Speaker 4: is based off of, you know, what Lebron James does,
Speaker 4: then you're in trouble because when Michael Jordan was coming
Speaker 4: to the end, there were guys like Kobe Bryant that
Speaker 4: were there to be the mega star that was going
Speaker 4: to step in and be that next major figure. You
Speaker 4: had Shaquille O'Neill. You had the Vince Carters, you had
Speaker 4: Tracy McGrady. I mean, you had plenty of guys that
Speaker 4: were stepping up to be figures that kept the brand
Speaker 4: growing strong. Even as individual brands themselves, they were keeping
Speaker 4: the brand going strong again. I think that disconnect continues
Speaker 4: to the gap of that disconnect post Lebron is continuing
Speaker 4: to grow and whether people want to admit that or not,
Speaker 4: you can have the most talented because I don't think
Speaker 4: anyone will dispute the fact that guys are more skilled
Speaker 4: and more talented than what they've ever been. But there's
Speaker 4: not the same connection between the players and the fan base.
Speaker 4: It's just not the same for one reason or another,
Speaker 4: I don't know. But there is no anointed one that
Speaker 4: you're saying, Okay, when Lebron is done, this becomes the
Speaker 4: guy that you can hang That's the bell cow that
Speaker 4: you can hang our brand on, and he's going to
Speaker 4: carry it and continue to build. There's no we're going
Speaker 4: to have a conversation at the most brilliant thing that
Speaker 4: could have ever happened with Lebron James's era of time
Speaker 4: is that he became comparable to Michael Jordan in terms
Speaker 4: of being the greatest ever. That debate has kept him
Speaker 4: relevant and has kept the NBA relevant for all this time.
Speaker 4: And who do you have to say that about now?
Speaker 4: Name me one player in today's NBA that you would say. Now,
Speaker 4: people throw out the fact that that you have what
Speaker 4: was it, the Joker winning the MVP as many times
Speaker 4: as he's done, and then you compare that to some
Speaker 4: of the greats that have ever done it. But let's
Speaker 4: be clear, are we really going to say that we're
Speaker 4: going to carry the NBA brand with Joker? I don't
Speaker 4: think that's going to be I don't think that is
Speaker 4: going to be legit or feasible to think that he's
Speaker 4: going to carry the brand. I don't think he wants
Speaker 4: it either. For whatever it's worth, that dude likes gambling and.
Speaker 5: Horses, right right, he just loves horses.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, just give that guy a horse and
Speaker 2: a sports book. He's fine.
Speaker 4: There's not a name. Anthony Edwards is a name that
Speaker 4: jumps out at you because he has the personality that
Speaker 4: intensity that you're you're talking about Q. He brings it
Speaker 4: to the game every single game he plays in. I
Speaker 4: think he just came out recently and said, man, I
Speaker 4: don't want to. I don't want to be the face
Speaker 4: of the NBA like I'm not. I just don't. I
Speaker 4: don't know who is, who will be, Who can carry
Speaker 4: that mantle, who can carry that torch. I don't think
Speaker 4: there's not Wimby. I don't see it being Wimby. Wimby's
Speaker 4: no different than you taught it, Tim Duncan. No, it's
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. There has to be
Speaker 4: that IT factor that's there for that guy to do it.
Speaker 4: The only guy that has the IT factor you asked
Speaker 4: me is is Anthony Edwards. He's the only one that
Speaker 4: has the IT factor. He's the only Was.
Speaker 5: Magna clung that in the White Man Can't Jump remake?
Speaker 4: Was he?
Speaker 5: I don't think he was.
Speaker 4: Wasn't that there was a remake too? Wasn't there? By
Speaker 4: the way, Yeah, I didn't see it. By the way,
Speaker 4: talk about a movie that's been proven fiction dunked in
Speaker 4: whatdy Harrelson dunked in the movie Come on, fake false
Speaker 4: narrative he dunked in the movie. Did you see his
Speaker 4: calf muscles in the movie? He dunked he had bigger
Speaker 4: calf muscles than Wesley Snipes. I don't know what y'all
Speaker 4: hating all your own people for man, they feel like
Speaker 4: there's some bitterness for you.
Speaker 5: You know, we're taking over.
Speaker 4: I don't get it. We're taking over, Like take it over.
Speaker 4: You tripped out. The man has one interception for a touchdown. Now,
Speaker 4: y'all take it over the NFL. Right, If there's one
Speaker 4: you play pretty good. If there's one category and two
Speaker 4: sports where I'd say y'all ain't taking over no time soon.
Speaker 4: If ever is going to be football and basketball, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Like I told you, y'all stick to golf stick, the
Speaker 4: hockey stick, the horse ride and be a question.
Speaker 5: I think Tom Brady is still on the top of
Speaker 5: Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 4: Sure that's one player name name all the rest of
Speaker 4: the players that are the greatest players. Let's go. Let's
Speaker 4: go ratio. That's cause y'all love that's And the point
Speaker 4: is you prove the point. That's why y'all focus so
Speaker 4: much on quarterbacks. But you know what, we're coming for
Speaker 4: that too. Who is the MVP of the We're coming
Speaker 4: for that too. Who is the m v P of
Speaker 4: the NFL this year? Oh man, it should have been
Speaker 4: Squon Barkley who it should have been.
Speaker 6: That's that's what I'll say. But he didn't fit the criteria.
Speaker 6: Of course he didn't takeover, No, he didn't. Yeah, who
Speaker 6: won the Heisman this year? Who is the Heisman winner? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 6: I don't talk about Okay.
Speaker 4: Interesting, I just you know, Dylan Gabriel got well, Saquon
Speaker 4: Barkley got robbed. I mean, let's be clear, it should
Speaker 4: have been a clean sweep too, Offense defense, m v P.
Speaker 4: It should have been a clean sweep. But you know,
Speaker 4: you gotta maintain everybody out there don't hate me and
Speaker 4: call me a race bait or too, because that's Brady
Speaker 4: and and Jonas base just about what y'all want. Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not afraid to engage 'all. Y'all, we go from
Speaker 4: talking about the NBA also that all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: we're a race baker. Asked you guys, what guys could
Speaker 4: do it?
Speaker 5: Y'all said, kid, you sound like being Ryan Clark. Now
Speaker 5: you're getting.
Speaker 4: Victim. Don't do that. I am engaging two white males
Speaker 4: that want to make this and I'm going to get
Speaker 4: jumped on the X because I am the one that's
Speaker 4: responsive to what you are saying, I'm not afraid to respond.
Speaker 4: Just for those that are not familiar with the back
Speaker 4: and forth here, we did do a deal.
Speaker 2: There was a.
Speaker 3: Claim trade that was made months ago where we and
Speaker 3: this accepted terms were signed Patrick. We got Patrick mahomes
Speaker 3: large Babe Ruth all right, like, we feel like that
Speaker 3: benefits both teams looking forward.
Speaker 4: One is current and one is long gone. That that's
Speaker 4: that's super fair, super fair. But I took it.
Speaker 2: I want I want the Babe.
Speaker 4: Y'all see his list. Give us sets for I want
Speaker 4: the Babe. You are out of good throll man either.
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Speaker 3: Coming up next here though, on The Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 3: with LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox filling in
Speaker 3: for DP and the guys, we're going to tell you
Speaker 3: about some changes, some changes to the playoffs that you
Speaker 3: can expect moving forward.
Speaker 2: That'll be yours here on FSR.
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Speaker 3: The College Football Playoff, which featured.
Speaker 4: A matchup I don't know if you guys knew this
Speaker 4: or not between Penn State and Notre Dame. The College
Speaker 4: Football Playoff could be getting very clear yesterday the SEC
Speaker 4: as a weapon. Yesterday, SEC Commissioner Greg Sankee Big Ten
Speaker 4: commission Tony Pettiti agreed that there should be a change
Speaker 4: to the way the twelve team College Football Playoff teams
Speaker 4: are seated, and the change should come this upcoming season.
Speaker 2: So for everybody out there that was bitching and.
Speaker 3: Moaning about you know, automatic qualifiers going to conference champions,
Speaker 3: whether it be you know, Arizona State getting a bye
Speaker 3: or the bye going to Boise State, don't worry.
Speaker 4: They've stepped up. But it looks like we could see
Speaker 4: a change coming up here pretty much. And what does
Speaker 4: that change?
Speaker 5: What is that rep Well, the change I think is
Speaker 5: going to be more in regards to the seating of
Speaker 5: how they go about doing it, which I think most
Speaker 5: would agree. If the top four teams the way they're ranked,
Speaker 5: however that falls out, those teams ultimately should be able
Speaker 5: to get to buy. And I think as far as
Speaker 5: how the rankings are awarded, it was a little bit
Speaker 5: confusing for some out there because they didn't really understand
Speaker 5: how the automatic qualifiers worked for the conference champions. And
Speaker 5: then when you had a team that was not within
Speaker 5: the autonomous for power for call what you will in
Speaker 5: Boise State, who gets a buy people were scratching their
Speaker 5: head going, wait a second, I didn't think that was possible.
Speaker 5: Or for example, the ACC champion Clemson, who was outside
Speaker 5: of the top twelve in the rankings, they still obviously
Speaker 5: get an automatic bid into the playoff, and so people
Speaker 5: are like, that doesn't make any sense. So I think
Speaker 5: what you're going to see as a change in the
Speaker 5: seating as far as how the teams one through twelve
Speaker 5: are going to be seeded once they get to the playoff.
Speaker 5: Now it could and by the way, it could be
Speaker 5: one through fourteen. It could be one through sixteen at
Speaker 5: this point, which if it's sixteen, we don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about buys, or we shouldn't. We should make them
Speaker 5: all play. I would say this though, was my biggest
Speaker 5: concern about where we are at with the college football
Speaker 5: playoff as it currently exists. If you start creating automatic qualifiers,
Speaker 5: what bothers me is this is not the NFL. And
Speaker 5: when I say that, I mean we understand that winning
Speaker 5: your division is paramount, all right. A division is comprised
Speaker 5: of four teams. Well, look at the how some of
Speaker 5: these super conferences are constructed. I mean you have Big
Speaker 5: Ten with what eighteen teams? You know, maybe it stops there,
Speaker 5: maybe it keeps growing the SEC et cetera, Big twelve
Speaker 5: acc And what we saw in year one was the
Speaker 5: difference sometimes in scheduling where a team like Indiana could
Speaker 5: potentially not have to really play anyone difficult outside of
Speaker 5: Ohio State. I guess you could throw Michigan in there,
Speaker 5: even though it was a down year for Michigan, and
Speaker 5: they beat them, They got them at home. So credit
Speaker 5: to coach Signettia and crew, But that wasn't the best
Speaker 5: Michigan team we've seen, right, Clearly the top teams were Oregon,
Speaker 5: Ohio State, Penn State as far as that goes, and
Speaker 5: then Indiana you'd probably say it was somewhere after that.
Speaker 5: So the general point is that if you start creating
Speaker 5: automatic qualifiers for the Big Ten and the SEC and
Speaker 5: really any of the conference for that matter, it takes
Speaker 5: away from the games. You're like, everyone knows the ending
Speaker 5: to the story, so it takes away from the intrigue
Speaker 5: of the regular season. Like, to me, that's one of
Speaker 5: the greatest things about sports is the fact that your
Speaker 5: regular season has to matter. And if you're now basically
Speaker 5: saying that, well, the top four teams from the Big
Speaker 5: Ten will get in, the top four from the SEC
Speaker 5: will get in, it'say, well, okay, I mean, how really
Speaker 5: hard is your schedule going to be? You know, as
Speaker 5: far as your non conference Do you need to schedule
Speaker 5: anyone tough anymore?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 5: Or is it just about how you finished within your
Speaker 5: conference and how that that works out, how those tie
Speaker 5: breaking scenarios workout. So if they don't figure out a
Speaker 5: way for the final weekend, because ultimately what's being sacrificed
Speaker 5: is the conference championships. They're basically no one void because
Speaker 5: if there's an automatic qualifier, you'd almost rather not play
Speaker 5: as long as this season is. You'd almost rather be
Speaker 5: able to get a break, get extra rest, and if
Speaker 5: you're Ohio State, for example, be able to prepare for
Speaker 5: that home first round match of versus Tennessee and then
Speaker 5: go on the rest of the way on a warpath
Speaker 5: to win a national championship. So I sit there and
Speaker 5: just say, we got to be careful because if some
Speaker 5: of the powers that be aren't and they get a
Speaker 5: little too greedy, and I keep talking to you guys
Speaker 5: about how well you can do the math on this too.
Speaker 5: Think about this. If you get four guarantee teams in
Speaker 5: for each one of those conferences every year, you're guaranteeing
Speaker 5: what your conference is at least being paid out through
Speaker 5: that first round, which is obviously important for those conferences
Speaker 5: continue to separate themselves from the Big Twelve, from the
Speaker 5: ACC from every other group of five that's out there.
Speaker 5: So in part, it's about money, but it always is.
Speaker 5: But the other portion of this is we can't sacrifice
Speaker 5: the sanctity of what has always been a regular season
Speaker 5: sport and the different ways we've kind of anointed our
Speaker 5: champion with the way we're going about looking on at
Speaker 5: this playoff format, Like that's what concerns me the most
Speaker 5: about some of the discussion about these automatic qualifiers.
Speaker 4: And so not the number of teams, it's the automatic qualifiers.
Speaker 4: Here's what I'm curious about. If we're basing it off
Speaker 4: of the ratings, what you're rated is going to dictate
Speaker 4: where you're at. What rating are we using, ranking, ranking, ranking,
Speaker 4: what what ranking are we using? Are we using at
Speaker 4: ap which one are we using? Because to me, that
Speaker 4: has to be universal. If you have three different rankings
Speaker 4: and you have teams that are in different slots, then
Speaker 4: to me, that creates confusion. If you're if you're not
Speaker 4: going to honor the fact that a team actually some way,
Speaker 4: some how won their conference, If that's not going to
Speaker 4: be honored, I don't have a problem with that. If
Speaker 4: you're going to say we're using strictly rankings, then go
Speaker 4: with strictly rankings and that one established ranking body like
Speaker 4: you don't need a committee. You don't need a committee
Speaker 4: other than to say Okay, one plays this team, two
Speaker 4: plays this team, three plays this team. For one through eight,
Speaker 4: you just figure out who they play in the next
Speaker 4: eight or whatever it may be. But to me, if
Speaker 4: you're looking at it from the standpoint of we're looking
Speaker 4: at who wins the conference, it has to matter. It
Speaker 4: has to matter. I don't care if you were the
Speaker 4: best team all year and you find a way to
Speaker 4: lose and you don't make it into your conference title.
Speaker 4: That's what it's all about. If you ask me a
Speaker 4: team that was able to like take for instance, a
Speaker 4: team that I don't know, like Ohio State, doesn't play
Speaker 4: for the conference championship, but yet they play for the
Speaker 4: national championship and win. Like to me, okay, we could
Speaker 4: say that Ohio State, in theory was the best team
Speaker 4: all year, even though Oregon proved out to be the
Speaker 4: best team. I can't see myself taking away the value
Speaker 4: from Oregon winning the Big Ten because we're saying that
Speaker 4: this team over here, even though they lost and even
Speaker 4: lost to Oregon, is the best team in college football.
Speaker 4: Either you're gonna honor who wins their conferences and say
Speaker 4: this is a way for us to differentiate these groups
Speaker 4: in the Power for they won their conference. They're in
Speaker 4: either we're gonna differentiate it that way or we're gonna
Speaker 4: say we're totally going to the ranking system. And if
Speaker 4: you go to the ranking system, you can't have all
Speaker 4: these different rankings out here, ratings or rankings of the teams.
Speaker 4: You can't have it.
Speaker 5: But they don't factor in the coaches and ap and
Speaker 5: all that, Like that's not I mean, obviously, the College
Speaker 5: Football Playoff Committee uses all the different analytics, and they
Speaker 5: do factor in some of the different computer systems into
Speaker 5: their model and how they go about selecting. And in fact,
Speaker 5: like I didn't mind the BCS. I actually thought the
Speaker 5: BCS system which encompassed a lot and there was a
Speaker 5: human element, there was a computer element, And what I
Speaker 5: liked about the most, honestly was the numbers. You can
Speaker 5: kind of see how far certain teams were behind. But
Speaker 5: for the most part, it's been pretty lock and step
Speaker 5: what the committee has picked. There's been a few differences
Speaker 5: over the years, but for the most part, like it's
Speaker 5: been in essence and extension the committee has of the BCS,
Speaker 5: I would say with ninety some percent accuracy based on
Speaker 5: what the BCS would have been and that's ultimately what
Speaker 5: we go off of, at least in college football. Now,
Speaker 5: I think the next step moving forward, and it's too
Speaker 5: hard to do because you have more too many teams.
Speaker 5: And now maybe we get to a point where we
Speaker 5: do only have the Big Ten and SEC and they
Speaker 5: kind of create their own level of play and scheduling
Speaker 5: and a format for attorney the national champion, which I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to advocate for one way or another, but
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm saying, if you're looking for a more
Speaker 5: fair model, it doesn't seem like we have an issue
Speaker 5: with the NFL's model for a playoff system. How we
Speaker 5: go about determining the winner of division, the winner of
Speaker 5: the you know the ranking and as far as the conference,
Speaker 5: you know, the team that gets to buy and so forth,
Speaker 5: one through seven. That would be where you ultimately want
Speaker 5: to get to. But part of the issue with that
Speaker 5: is is one the college football playoff comte rankings don't
Speaker 5: come out to October. So if you're a TV network
Speaker 5: and you've paid all this money for the regular season,
Speaker 5: which all these networks have, you need something to sell them.
Speaker 5: It can't just be the brands themselves, right, Even though
Speaker 5: Ohio State Michigan will always be one of the highest
Speaker 5: rated games. It helps when they're one and two, right.
Speaker 5: It helps when we feel like there's something on the
Speaker 5: n line there for any of the matchups, any rivalry game,
Speaker 5: any of these Big ten matchups are big time matchups.
Speaker 5: It helps me have something to sell, and that's one
Speaker 5: of the reasons why the ap pole has continued to
Speaker 5: still be in existence. The coach is pulled to some degree,
Speaker 5: but really most publications use the ape pole until you
Speaker 5: get to the College Football Playoff and there's that transition
Speaker 5: to everyone then using the College Fotball Playoff ranking since
Speaker 5: they ultimately matter as the ones that we use to
Speaker 5: kind of sell the game and sell the excitement enthusiasm
Speaker 5: behind it and why people should watch. So you know, Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: we're not to a spot where I think we can
Speaker 5: remove rankings altogether. We probably never will because of the
Speaker 5: history behind it. But to me, at least, I do
Speaker 5: think being able to award to your point, the teams
Speaker 5: that I think not only win their conference if we're
Speaker 5: still doing conference championship games, but also the teams that
Speaker 5: should be you know, the top four ranked. If we
Speaker 5: keep it at twelve and there's four buys like that
Speaker 5: that ultimately should be how we go about receiving this
Speaker 5: thing after it's all said and done, before we play
Speaker 5: the playoffs.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the NFL way of doing it, isn't it
Speaker 4: too many teams outside of the power for that would
Speaker 4: get left out if that were the direction we went in,
Speaker 4: because there was.
Speaker 5: Too many forget to forget that, there's too many teams
Speaker 5: outside just the Big.
Speaker 4: Ten and SEC.
Speaker 5: Even with the Big ten and SEC, like they're gonna
Speaker 5: have combined more than thirty two, So it would be
Speaker 5: extremely difficult to do it. I think the other part
Speaker 5: is is you'd have a number of division winners who
Speaker 5: really wouldn't be and and it doesn't hold wait well yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean they just they wouldn't be as competitive like
Speaker 5: you would have teams that would win a division that
Speaker 5: you'd say they're going to probably get smacked or blown out.
Speaker 5: And so there's there's no real easy way of going about,
Speaker 5: you know, handling that outside of saying, if you're the
Speaker 5: Big ten, let's just say hypothetically, I mean, they can't
Speaker 5: do this, But hypothetically, if they had four divisions, if
Speaker 5: there were only sixteen teams and you sprinkled Ohio State,
Speaker 5: Penn State, Michigan, and that Iowa wiscons to take your
Speaker 5: pick one of the other divisions. You would basically be
Speaker 5: lining up the conference to have it play out so
Speaker 5: that you've got, you know, those four strongest teams win
Speaker 5: their division, then to make the playoffs to give you
Speaker 5: the best chance of advancing a team to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: E excuse me, to the national challenge.
Speaker 4: Uncomfortable conversation that has to take place is if you're
Speaker 4: not a power for you're not You're not eligible. I
Speaker 4: think that's the uncomfortable conversation that has to take place. Sorry,
Speaker 4: if you're not a power for a team, you're not
Speaker 4: you're not eligible to compete for the national title. And
Speaker 4: just know that going in. Just know that that's what
Speaker 4: you got to deal with going in, period.
Speaker 5: Buddy. I think it's going to go a step further
Speaker 5: where the uncomfortable conversation is going to be what do
Speaker 5: the Big twelve and ACC live Because it feels like
Speaker 5: at times, with the difference in what those conferences are
Speaker 5: paying out their teams compared to the Big ten and SEC,
Speaker 5: that the ACC and Big twelve right now are kind
Speaker 5: of closer to those group of five teams conferences. Yep,
Speaker 5: than then maybe they are the Big ten and the SEC.
Speaker 5: That's how it feels.
Speaker 4: It's going to turn into the Big ten, Big twelve.
Speaker 4: Done and you're going I mean SEC, Yeah, my bad.
Speaker 4: So basically what's going to happen to happen is you
Speaker 4: do a pro style model of how you get through
Speaker 4: each conference. Each conference is going to represent what the
Speaker 4: NFL represents, and then the winner out of If y'all say, okay,
Speaker 4: let's bring the best team from each conference and they
Speaker 4: play for the national title. I think that makes sense.
Speaker 4: You don't even have to have a tournament. You win
Speaker 4: to Big ten, you play for the national title, you
Speaker 4: win the SEC, you play for the national title against
Speaker 4: the winner of the Big ten, and then now I
Speaker 4: hate to say it, but then now Notre Dame has
Speaker 4: to make a choice. They got to decide are we
Speaker 4: going to Big ten route or are we going to
Speaker 4: SEC route? But we got to go into one because
Speaker 4: we want to be able to compete for a national title.
Speaker 4: I mean I think that that ultimately, that's what it
Speaker 4: sounds like, that might be what it would turn into.
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be the most logical way of
Speaker 4: looking at it. How many teams are in these how
Speaker 4: many teams are in these conferences?
Speaker 5: Now, it's what eighteen and the Big ten the SEC
Speaker 5: has what's sixteen?
Speaker 4: Now, so I mean that's that's not quite thirty two,
Speaker 4: but that's a lot of teams that is four. But yes, again,
Speaker 4: but I'm just saying, I'm just saying if each conference,
Speaker 4: like think, yeah, I guess I guess you could look
Speaker 4: at it as that represents the AFC and the NFC.
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking total in total, if one side represented
Speaker 4: in total, what the playoff? The playoff looks like, you
Speaker 4: know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, Here's here's what it says that if that's the
Speaker 5: scenario we're talking about. Again, we're just hypothetical hypotheticals.
Speaker 4: That's hypotheticals.
Speaker 5: Is you wouldn't want to leave out programs like Miami,
Speaker 5: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina. Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: other teams that are either part I mean even Colorado
Speaker 5: in the Big twelve, right, Texas Tech, who's been you know,
Speaker 5: times competitive, Oklahoma State, there's other teams that you could
Speaker 5: bring as part of this. Now, there'd have to be
Speaker 5: more expansion, But the truth of the matter is is, yes,
Speaker 5: there's a dividing line there. Maybe there's more realignment and
Speaker 5: waiting to happen, but at this juncture, it's there's still
Speaker 5: so much to be sorted out. So again, I understand
Speaker 5: the question about Notre Dame. Notre Dame has always found
Speaker 5: its place and found its way of still being a
Speaker 5: part of the process when it's all said and done.
Speaker 5: And I think that they would even in that case,
Speaker 5: while probably because because here's the here's the truth, Like,
Speaker 5: here's the here's the truth to all this. If everyone
Speaker 5: would have went the route of Notre Dame in football,
Speaker 5: I'm saying, in football, you go back eight years ago,
Speaker 5: all right, and we just say, hey, there's something coming,
Speaker 5: and there's gonna be realignment, there's gonna be all these
Speaker 5: shifts and changes, and maybe the patchfroll is not eve
Speaker 5: gonna exist, Like how can we avoid that? Well, let's
Speaker 5: just do this. Let's take football and all the Power
Speaker 5: five programs at that point, they're gonna go independent and
Speaker 5: we're gonna figure out another way of making their schedule
Speaker 5: and making a playoff system and everything else, and we're
Speaker 5: gonna keep everything else the same. We're not gonna demolish
Speaker 5: the PAC twelve because you know of football and have
Speaker 5: to sacrifice the softball team at UCLA flying across the
Speaker 5: country to go play Rutgers. You know, we're not going
Speaker 5: to force those teams to do that. We're just gonna
Speaker 5: take football. We're gonna have them construct their own schedule.
Speaker 5: However we deemed that fit based on it, could be
Speaker 5: the college Football Playoff, could have been whoever. But had
Speaker 5: everyone else gone that exact same route, we wouldn't be
Speaker 5: in this mess that we're in, at least in regards
Speaker 5: to the conference realignments and some of the difficulties that
Speaker 5: a lot of these schools are facing, and a lot
Speaker 5: of it from a monetary standpoint too, because they even
Speaker 5: though they're getting more from the conference they maybe joined,
Speaker 5: their expenses just went way up for travel and everything
Speaker 5: else that's involved. So that's how we complicated things. Instead
Speaker 5: of like everyone who in their free world wants to say, well,
Speaker 5: not do d even need Tom to join a conference,
Speaker 5: it's like, well, no, maybe you guys actually messed this
Speaker 5: up because instead of just allowing the conference to be
Speaker 5: what they may be, you guys should all want independent,
Speaker 5: at least in football, And then you could have constructed
Speaker 5: something that worked for just football, and we didn't ruin life,
Speaker 5: the student an athlete life for every other college and
Speaker 5: conference and sport out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it'll be interesting to watch how this all
Speaker 4: plays out, But it does feel like a lot college
Speaker 4: football is in its own category. And we were talking
Speaker 4: about this a little bit in New Orleans, like, I
Speaker 4: don't even think I don't like college basketball and college
Speaker 4: football feel like two different levels as far as interest
Speaker 4: what they provide, Like it just feels like college football
Speaker 4: is its own league, like the top two leagues in
Speaker 4: the world of sports, or the NFL, and then college
Speaker 4: football and everybody else is just sort of lining up,
Speaker 4: So it feels like they should be doing their own thing.
Speaker 4: But it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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Speaker 4: By the way, if you.
Speaker 3: Guys are interested in knowing in an NFL team, we
Speaker 3: do have an update for you here. Bloomberg is reporting
Speaker 3: via the Sports Business Journal that the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: quote exploring the sale of a ten percent stake in
Speaker 3: the team, and the offering would be based on evaluation
Speaker 3: of more than nine billion dollars, which would put the
Speaker 3: price of ten percent at more than nine hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3: I got twenty eight bucks right now on me. If
Speaker 3: you guys can come up with the rest, I'm in.
Speaker 4: And we could.
Speaker 5: I had a few hundred bucks for cash. I think
Speaker 5: my wife just gave it to our babysitter. So that's
Speaker 5: gone just like that. Huh. Well, she was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I forgot to go to the ATM and get some
Speaker 5: cash for the babysitter. I got think your wallet. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: how much you need She's like, yeah, there's a few bucks.
Speaker 5: I went back and looked at my wallet. It's all gone, Wow,
Speaker 5: I don't even know how much I had in there.
Speaker 5: So it goes to show you I have no idea
Speaker 5: what's going on, but not sure I'm to be a
Speaker 5: part of that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's too bad.
Speaker 5: So I would I would if offered the opportunity, I'd
Speaker 5: try at least. I mean, i'd sell our home, make
Speaker 5: our kids have to live in a shanty or like
Speaker 5: a cardboard box outside.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, I mean it would be in the
Speaker 3: Bay Area, so you know there's plenty of those around.
Speaker 5: Just because you own a piece of it doesn't mean
Speaker 5: you have to live there, Bud.
Speaker 4: Okay, well yeah, giving the options.
Speaker 2: All right, So this is the norm.
Speaker 4: Now, this is going to be happening more and more
Speaker 4: people kind of throwing out a percentage in there.
Speaker 5: The NFL state you can sell up the ten percent
Speaker 5: of your team. And here's the thing is the forty
Speaker 5: nine ers, their investment arm, has doved into it and
Speaker 5: dolving in a couple other ventures. And in part because
Speaker 5: if you look at a lot of these NFL franchises
Speaker 5: like now's the time to strike, I think, to get
Speaker 5: an infusion of cash from outside investors who want to
Speaker 5: be a part of it that aren't going to have
Speaker 5: as much control as you're going to have as the
Speaker 5: majority owner. But whether it's stadium innovations, whether it's you know,
Speaker 5: you want to help out your roster, whether it's an
Speaker 5: owner who wants to kind of put some of his pocket,
Speaker 5: you know, all those things are going to be sorted out.
Speaker 5: But there's also the opportunity to invest into other sports
Speaker 5: teams and ventures. You know, the forty nine, whether people
Speaker 5: know it or not, are the majority owner of Leeds United,
Speaker 5: which is an English you know, football team, and that
Speaker 5: team happens to be at the top of its league
Speaker 5: at this point. If it stays that way, they will
Speaker 5: get promoted to the Premier League. And once they get
Speaker 5: promoted to that level, there'll be an infusion about one
Speaker 5: hundred million in cash just from where they bought them
Speaker 5: when they got demoted or relegated and then from where
Speaker 5: they're going to be if they get promoted if things
Speaker 5: stay that way. And so there's reports now that the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers they may be interested in a Scottish
Speaker 5: football team, the Rangers FC, And so you know, we
Speaker 5: kind of heard about some of this because of Ryan
Speaker 5: Reynolds right with Wrexham. And obviously they bought it for cheap,
Speaker 5: they were I should say they bought it for good value.
Speaker 5: They were able to pump some money into it and
Speaker 5: make a documentary about it. Now people have become fans
Speaker 5: and this is kind of that trendy model of being
Speaker 5: able to take some of the things that you've been
Speaker 5: able to apply with your data analytics and apply it
Speaker 5: to operating other franchise as other teams to then have success.
Speaker 5: And with the way the relegation promotion model works, you
Speaker 5: can do it. I mean, the forty nine ers have
Speaker 5: have proven it I mean, there was a lot of
Speaker 5: speculation when they took over an English soccer team how
Speaker 5: this whole thing.
Speaker 4: Was going to go.
Speaker 5: And then what are these what are these bloats over here?
Speaker 5: And you know in the United States know about, you know,
Speaker 5: having a soccer team. Well apparently you know a decent amount,
Speaker 5: you know, based on how things have gone last year,
Speaker 5: where they got over ninety points, they were in the
Speaker 5: actual championship game for the playoffs, got promoted in this
Speaker 5: year so far sitting at number one, So this is
Speaker 5: not going to be uncommon. I think as far as
Speaker 5: teams getting an infusion of capital from private equity, but
Speaker 5: also because they think they have other interests. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, you see them looking to find ways of
Speaker 5: making money outside of just the normal operations of a
Speaker 5: football team.
Speaker 4: I wonder, you know, we talked about the oversaturation of
Speaker 4: the NFL. Has it hit its its bubble, has a
Speaker 4: hit its seal? I mean, I feel like selling off
Speaker 4: the fact that they're getting to the point now where
Speaker 4: they are selling off the percentages the ten percent of
Speaker 4: the franchises is like a slow way of backing out.
Speaker 4: It's a slow way of backing out. And if you're
Speaker 4: good money. If you're a good shrewd business man. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you're slowly backing out of something, chances are if
Speaker 4: you're trying to pull your money away from something, why
Speaker 4: would I mean, I guess if you feel like you
Speaker 4: want to run towards that with your money, maybe you do.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. That gives me pause, like thinking
Speaker 4: of the fact that you know, they want to get
Speaker 4: involved in other things, like you know that or whatever.
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, man. You know, you take
Speaker 4: your you take your eye off of what the main
Speaker 4: the main thing is, and the main thing changes and
Speaker 4: becomes something else, then the main thing isn't the main
Speaker 4: thing as it applies to what the old main thing was.
Speaker 2: You don't think they can multitasks?
Speaker 4: I mean they can and maybe they can. I just
Speaker 4: feel like that raises red flags to me. Like listening
Speaker 4: to how you just how you just explained it, that
Speaker 4: raises red flags to me. I mean, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 5: That's it might raise red flag, but it's gonna raise
Speaker 5: a lot of green.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course, of course, But what does
Speaker 4: that mean for? I mean, that's green for the people
Speaker 4: who are involved with the ownership groups doing it. But
Speaker 4: what does that mean for the sport itself? You know,
Speaker 4: what does that mean for the NFL itself? You know,
Speaker 4: I don't know. He's in a good spot. Nine billion dollars, Yeah,
Speaker 4: a good spot to what to walk away? Like? Cash out?
Speaker 4: Like nine billion, nine hundred million, You starting to move
Speaker 4: away back out? I don't know. It's just a red
Speaker 4: flag to me. It's red flag. Come on, bar Man,
Speaker 4: go to break. What do you mean to break? To break?
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're doing right now. Damn