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Speaker 1: Hey, everyonell welcome back to bed for a happy hour.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here to

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Speaker 1: recap The Women Tell All. Hi Serena, Hi Joe. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Yeah. I had to take a

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Speaker 1: half an episode off because I had food poisoning, I believe.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I had the privilege of watching the live taping

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Speaker 2: of The Woman Tell All on Zoom and then we

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Speaker 2: recorded immediately after the taping with a few of the

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Speaker 2: ladies and grants, so that episode will be dropping on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: And I was puking in the bathroom because I think

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Speaker 1: I had a bad clam.

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Speaker 2: I will save you like neurovirus, to be honest, either.

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Speaker 1: The yeah, I don't know. I mean it lasted like

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Speaker 1: almost forty eight hours. I was nauseous for probably three

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Speaker 1: days after. But today I feel pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Well happy you're feeling better so that we can do

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Speaker 2: this recap together, because the soul who recap just sounds

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Speaker 2: really hard.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I've done them. I will say food

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Speaker 1: poisoning really is just the worst, because now I'm very

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Speaker 1: worried about anything I eat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know your food anxiety.

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Speaker 1: It lingers. It lingers for a.

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Speaker 2: While mentally and physically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I'm like, I love baked clams, but

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about baked clams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think last time I got food poisoning it

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Speaker 2: was from clams too, and I've.

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Speaker 1: Been, I've been. We haven't had oysters in a long

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Speaker 1: time either, And I don't know if I'll ever get

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Speaker 1: an oyster again.

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Speaker 2: I think you will. I think you will. But let's

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Speaker 2: get into the Woman till all and off of your

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Speaker 2: food poisoning. What were your thoughts on the episode overall?

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Speaker 1: Overall, it really felt like a Carolina show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I mean a lot of the season has

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Speaker 2: felt that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I don't think a

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Speaker 1: lot of the season I felt.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the last few episodes have been very

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Speaker 2: Carolina focused and the drama with Carolina and her kind

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Speaker 2: of roller coaster of a relationship with Grant. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's funny too, because like she she came to the

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Speaker 1: reunion or the Women Tell All with like a quote

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Speaker 1: of something that she said, I forget what it.

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Speaker 2: Was like quote on the front of her jacket and

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Speaker 2: on the back of her jacket that she had said

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Speaker 2: in the episodes.

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Speaker 1: Which to me, like after watching this show for so

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Speaker 1: many years, like I wouldn't even really pin her like

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Speaker 1: the villain. Like I get I guess she she is

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Speaker 1: kind of the main focus of the drama during the season,

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Speaker 1: but like there's been so many more people in the

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Speaker 1: past that have really stood out as like, oh, like

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Speaker 1: like when I when I think of like what was

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Speaker 1: see remember Shane from like Clayton season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people that are actively doing things knowing they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be controversial, but and that's kind of like why they're

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Speaker 2: doing them. Like Shane was like pulling clay and then

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Speaker 2: doing things, and she was kind of like leaning into

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Speaker 2: this controversial character. But I don't think that's what Carolina

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Speaker 2: is doing. I don't know if I would consider her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess she Like if there was a

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Speaker 2: villain this season, I guess it would be Caroleina, But

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Speaker 2: I feel like the girls wouldn't describe her as a

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Speaker 2: villain and more just as someone that was creating a

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Speaker 2: lot of problems in controversy in the house. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's definitely a villains Rose. If I'm Rose, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like they're just there wasn't I there

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Speaker 1: just wasn't as much this season, like and when I

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Speaker 2: Really really, I'm so surprised to hear you say that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was very much like the Zoe

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Speaker 2: drama with Ali Joe, with the basketball date and all

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Speaker 2: then week three four on, it was very much the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I just here, on a scale of

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Speaker 1: like drama from like past seasons, you know, at like

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Speaker 1: eight nine, like I would compare the Zoe Carolina of

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Speaker 1: this season to be like a six. It was all

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Speaker 1: very mild to me. It just seemed like it seemed

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Speaker 1: well Carolina's upset, let's let's do that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with that, Okay. I

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Speaker 2: feel like if you asked the women in the house,

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Speaker 2: they would feel like the Carolina drama was incredibly consuming

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Speaker 2: of their time and their experience.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I guess because like maybe maybe it was

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Speaker 1: the way Grant handled it really made it feel a

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Speaker 1: a little more tame. Yeah, it could be that. Like

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Speaker 1: I maybe if, maybe, if the Carolina drama of it

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Speaker 1: all really affected it Grant in his like behavior and decisions,

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Speaker 1: it would have been a bigger thing. I just don't

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Speaker 2: Even with like, you know, the controversy with her and Rows,

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Speaker 2: the controversy between her and Juliana, her and Dina's fight.

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Speaker 2: I feel like every episode she was like going at

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Speaker 1: I'll say, if Carolina and Dina's fight happened three episodes

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Speaker 2: I would have loved to see it two on one

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Speaker 2: this season, I feel like there just wasn't enough time

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Speaker 1: More, I guess I guess that's kind of my point too.

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Speaker 1: There just wasn't much going on, like we don't get

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Speaker 2: I do feel like we weren't getting I don't want

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Speaker 2: to say we weren't getting the full picture, but it

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Speaker 2: definitely felt like the drama with Carolina wasn't as in depth,

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Speaker 2: maybe because it was a shorter season and we didn't

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Speaker 2: amongst her and the women. And yeah, I would have

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Speaker 2: loved a two on one. I think her aunt like Ali,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of opportunities for some good two

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Speaker 2: on ones this season, and I am bummed that we

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Speaker 2: didn't get one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think missing those those two episodes.

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Speaker 2: Because it kind of is this like grand finale for

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Speaker 1: Usually Yeah, yeah, but I think I think what's going

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Speaker 1: going to be the ending, because it really seems like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, hey, we have two black SUVs pulling up,

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Speaker 2: which one is going first?

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Speaker 1: That's wild.

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Speaker 2: That's so I don't know how he like. I I

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Speaker 2: think I would have to just make it. I'd be

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Speaker 2: like I'm not leaving this hotel room until I make

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even if I if I went to bed

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Speaker 1: the night prior confused or a little unsure, I would

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Speaker 1: and you stick with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But I feel like it also is relatable in

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Speaker 2: a sense. I mean, like you and I. Sure you

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Speaker 2: think about you and I, Like when we're deciding on

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Speaker 2: are we gonna stay in New York or are we

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Speaker 2: gonna leave New York? You and I will talk that

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Speaker 2: ourselves into emotional turmoil over the back and forth the

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Speaker 2: pros and cons of what are we gonna do? Imagine

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Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, who are you going to spend

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Speaker 2: the rest of your life with? Over these two women

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Speaker 2: that you're madly in love with and you've only known

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Speaker 2: for like a short period of time, met their families.

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Speaker 2: Once go one of them you're gonna break their heart

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Speaker 2: and one of them you're gonna get engaged to. Like

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Speaker 2: I could see myself being in like a really torn

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Speaker 1: Agree, But I just don't think you wait. You cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: You can't to the last hour.

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Speaker 2: You can't. You have to make a decision even if

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Speaker 2: you're not sure if it's the right one before you

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Speaker 2: get to the podium.

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Speaker 1: Or you make no decision. You send them both home.

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Speaker 2: You say, I'm sorry, I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just too conflicted.

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Speaker 2: So well, he obviously, you know, bring Carolina back. I

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Speaker 2: mean he could do that. Okay, let's get into a

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Speaker 2: little bit more of the breakdown. We have the Zoe

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Speaker 2: drama to start with. It's always kind of hard when

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Speaker 2: have an extra little chair for her, have her sit,

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Speaker 2: hash out the drama, and then leave or skiper in yeah,

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Speaker 2: Skype pre COVID days zoomer in, yeah, zoomer in. Put

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Speaker 2: her in the hot seat for like five ten minutes,

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Speaker 2: like and her and Carolina's beef, like, bring her out,

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Speaker 2: you know, bring her out for five minutes, have her

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Speaker 2: address it, and then send her out, Like I get it.

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Speaker 2: They're still technically on the show they shouldn't be at

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Speaker 2: tell all, but like it is missing something when the

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Speaker 2: themselves and it just you know, rightfully so, but it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say all the Zoe of it all

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Speaker 1: really seemed like it affected more of the women who

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Speaker 1: end of the day, like Zoe made some rougher decisions

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Speaker 2: I think she just had a hard time getting her footing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because she definitely made some really bold decisions, and I

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Speaker 2: think from watching the towel al it seems like the

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Speaker 2: women's issue was like she was making these bold decisions,

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Speaker 2: but then she was upset when we weren't responding well

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Speaker 2: we would and then she would go and make those

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Speaker 2: same decisions again, and it was kind of this like

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Speaker 2: ugly cycle. But again, we really only saw that for

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Speaker 2: the first few weeks. It does feel like she kind

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Speaker 2: of figured out the dynamic of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's why. Then it was okay, I guess yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's like my point, Like like Sarah FINA's like yeah,

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Speaker 1: but like you know, we're over it, like yeah, And

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Speaker 1: like so was the audience because it happened it was

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Speaker 1: the first couple episodes and then that was it. It

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Speaker 1: was like completely shut down it really, it didn't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere after that. Yeah, so it's kind of like all right, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we have Carolina and Rose, I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Carolina really seems to be over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for her, I kind of sympathize with.

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Speaker 2: With I don't know if I agree with that. I think, like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I completely agree. I think I think

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Speaker 2: The situation is really unfair to most people, just like

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Speaker 2: it's reality show where one person gets engaged to one

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Speaker 1: Going to have to move on. I think the whole

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Speaker 2: About it, and like I'm gonna not say your name,

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Speaker 2: And I just don't think Carolina came in. I don't

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe she didn't want that, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she just really I think she's somebody

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Speaker 2: why did these things? But I think that there's just

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Speaker 1: I think she's a better fit for Paradise. I think

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Speaker 2: A I think she's gonna have a hard time there too,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if she can find one dude and

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Speaker 2: the screenshots and stuff from TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I think that stuff is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's bound to happen. I always, I always

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Speaker 2: I feel like she was, but I think if she

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she definitely. I I really think she like she she.

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Speaker 2: Kind of knew she was staring the pot a little bit,

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 1: Can't you just can't, Like you just can't. Like Dina's

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Speaker 1: Then like you know, like do I do I agree

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it's kind of like like I, yeah,

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna open the door for someone online, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to be aware of the information

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one is on the same page.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like we are not. Like this isn't like a

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Speaker 2: I know. I literally love it. I wish more people

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Speaker 1: That's kind of my that's kind of my my reasoning

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's people them on the show and just

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Speaker 1: Where I just like, if Carolina is the villain of

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Speaker 2: with Carolina has been a little bit more up and down,

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00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more complex, Like we've seen Dina like

440
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: vouch for her and now she's against her, and we've

441
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: seen Juliana like pull her aside, and then like the

442
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: girl's talking to Grant about it, and like there's people

443
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure that are watching that are one hundred percent Carolina,

444
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: Whereas I feel like usually when we see a villain

445
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: on the show, everyone's like I can't stand this person,

446
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: and like they're coming across so poorly and you like

447
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: cannot see their side of things. Usually I'm trying to

448
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 2: think what else I think. Then we moved on to.

449
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: Dina like also being an ice queen. That was something

450
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: that was brought up a few times, which she didn't

451
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: really give me that.

452
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: In her hot seat. Yeah yeah, and I feel like

453
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: she talked about that on the show.

454
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, but like I don't know.

455
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: I get what she's saying, though, I think it's more

456
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: so just the way she processes her emotions and like

457
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: in relationships, maybe feeling like she doesn't like show a

458
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 2: lot of emotion got it. The next hot seat that

459
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 2: we had was Alex's hot seat. She was the first

460
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: one of that I especially likes really really pretty. Actually

461
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: I loved this look for her. Yeah, she shows looks pretty.

462
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: But I feel like Alex is just somebody who went

463
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: on the show like, hey, maybe I'll maybe I'll meet

464
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: my husband. If not, like I'm here to enjoy myself. Yeah,

465
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get caught up in the drama.

466
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm here to have a good time and if

467
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out for me, so be it. And

468
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: that's just exactly I feel.

469
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: Like that's what we saw of her. But then this

470
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: hot seat made me think that it was like maybe

471
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: more serious for her than we were show because she

472
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: did say she was blindsided when she got sent home.

473
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: She was like I thought I was for sure going

474
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: to hometowns, which is a viewer was crazy to hear

475
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: because like we it was pretty obvious from just like

476
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: contact clues, like she wasn't going based on the fact

477
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: we never saw her relationship after like the first week,

478
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: but I can imagine her shoes. Maybe it was like

479
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: the conversations being had and stuff were a lot more serious. Yeah,

480
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: there'll be a bummer thinking about hotel.

481
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: I'm also not saying she didn't take it serious. I

482
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: just yeah, I don't know. I like, for me, it's

483
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: just it's kind of clear that like Grant and Alex

484
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: were just not meant that they're not and it like

485
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: just wasn't going to work out.

486
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: She's way too suited for Paradise. She'll be perfect in Paradise.

487
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't think they were. They were a fit.

488
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: No. I agree, they brought it. Linda the Lama great,

489
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: so cute, love her. Then we have Dina's hot seat. Yeah,

490
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: what do we think?

491
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: Uh? I like that she you know, called Grant out

492
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: about the whole family issue of like was that a thing?

493
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Well it should have been a thing. Yeah. I feel

494
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: like Grant didn't really backpedal. I feel like he was

495
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, that really was it just wasn't

496
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: really gonna be you. Yeah.

497
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like he said in his ITMS,

498
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: oh I'm disappointed Dina's family's not here, But I think

499
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: he's disappointed. But it also wasn't the reason she got

500
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: sent home, you know what I mean. I think if

501
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: it was like you know someone that he was like,

502
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: this is gonna be my girl. The family thing probably

503
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't have stopped him.

504
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: It's also like, really like, I think we don't give

505
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: the leads enough credit and how hard it is to

506
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: tell somebody near the end it's not you because I'm

507
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: not really into you.

508
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like someone else more.

509
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: I just don't like. I think you're a great person,

510
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: but I don't like you.

511
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: I honestly think that's so hard. But also like the

512
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: best thing you can say to them, Yeah, that's trying

513
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: to tipto a round of making anything else to be like, truthfully,

514
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: I just like one or two of the other girls

515
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: here way more than I like you, and I just

516
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: don't see you as my wife. But it's hard because

517
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: they've been validating them all the way up and to

518
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: the point they send them home, right, So then it's

519
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: kind of like, how do I go about this without

520
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: making it feel like I've been leading them on. The

521
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: crazy thing about this show is when you sign up,

522
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: you kind of have to accept to an extent you

523
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: may get let on a little bit and you have

524
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: to be okay with that. Yeah, and I think I

525
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: think more contestines need to be okay.

526
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: With it, and Carolina was somebody who was not okay

527
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: with it.

528
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Now, and she she did not want to be loud,

529
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: and she was resisting at every single turn, and.

530
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: She knew she was someone who I think, unlike the

531
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: other few girls at the end, I feel like Krolina

532
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: knew pretty quickly on that she was being led on. Yeah,

533
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, this is fun.

534
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: Well that's why she wanted to hear what everyone else

535
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: was getting told and all these things. It's like, he's

536
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 2: gonna say a lot of really nice stuff to like

537
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: everyone here. So if you want to hurt your own feelings,

538
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: go for it. But you will find something that you

539
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: don't like. There's one hundred percent chance if you guys

540
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: are all chatting, you're gonna hear something that hurts your feelings,

541
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: because that's just kind of how the show works.

542
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: Definitely, you know.

543
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: But Yeah, I thought dina'satzi was great. I'm surprised they

544
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: let her wear glasses. I feel like, usually, like with

545
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: the the reflection, I feel like we never see glasses

546
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: on anyone on the show. No, it was a vibe.

547
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: I loved it. And then Carolina's hot seat obviously circling

548
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: back circling back to Carolina.

549
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: Do you think the hot seat, like you know, there

550
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: was closure with any of it?

551
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: Not really, because I think that she was feeling very defensive,

552
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I think it's hard to feel like

553
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: there's closure in peace when I just don't think she's

554
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: gotten there yet either, right, Like she's still struggling with

555
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: the show and little details and how people are perceiving her.

556
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: I thought Dina made a bold comment which I think

557
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: was kind of valid when she was like, you know, Carolina,

558
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: you're Carolina, like even said when they first addressed her,

559
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: like I don't want to talk about this till Grant

560
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: comes out here, Like I think he needs to be

561
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: held accountable. I think he plays a bigger role in

562
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: this than like he's taking credit for And she kind

563
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: of was on that of like well, Grant, well Grant,

564
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: and Dina basically said, like, you keep calling for Grant

565
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: to take accountability, but like we haven't even seen you

566
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: take accountability today, so like that's not really fair and

567
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: if like you're asking him to do something you're not

568
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: even willing to do yourself, Yeah, which I thought was bold.

569
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: We rarely see someone like jump into someone else's hot

570
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: seat like that, and she came in like really strong.

571
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: But I also think that it was a fair point

572
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: from what we were saying.

573
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was fair. Yeah, it was fair.

574
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like, yeah, Dina, oh.

575
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of gagged. I was like, oh

576
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: my god.

577
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dina is definitely someone that was not scared too.

578
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: She was not scared of She's not scared of confrontation

579
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: or speaking her mind or calling it the way she

580
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: sees it. Yeah, which is great.

581
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great TV. Dean actually went from someone who

582
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to call her boring TV, but she

583
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: was just like she's very mature and she really has

584
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: her shit together and she's just like, you know, she's

585
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: not You're not going to see her necessarily doing like wild,

586
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: petty things. And then all of a sudden like kind

587
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: of took a turn. I think, just like came more

588
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: comfortable in the environment and was like, you know what,

589
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: I have shit to say and I'm gonna start saying it.

590
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: And she's kind of turned into like someone that was

591
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: making really great TV near the end of the season.

592
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, and you need that, you just need it,

593
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: like and.

594
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: They also like, yeah, she's a strong voice.

595
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: They also get you know, you get bored. Yeah, yeah,

596
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: you just you get bored to get caught up and

597
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: ship and you're just like, all right, now I'm in

598
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: the ring. Let's let's let's box.

599
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: That's so true. But I will say, like we saw

600
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: Carolina crying and whatnot, and like I always, no matter

601
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: what the situation, no matter what the person has said

602
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: or done, it's not necessarily the tears that make me

603
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: feel bad, because I think there's a lot of people

604
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: up there that are having a hard time that maybe

605
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: aren't showing it through tears or you know, expressing their emotion.

606
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: But like she obviously was in active conflict the entire taping,

607
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: and like she kind of put herself in that position

608
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: on one hand, but at the end of the day,

609
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: she had to be in that position because she was

610
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: addressing so much that happened that season that involved her.

611
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: And I'm always like, God, like that's got to be exhausting,

612
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: Like that's got to be tiring, Like by the end

613
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: of that, you have to be very emotionally drained.

614
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: Well, if Carolina shut it down, was like I'm over it,

615
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was wrong in certain aspects. I

616
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: feel like I was wrong here, but like I'm completely

617
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: over it, Like, let's move on. We have a five

618
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: minute one, right.

619
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to move on, she doesn't want to,

620
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: but I'll.

621
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: Just say we we would have a five minute woman

622
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: till all.

623
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we need we needed it to go like

624
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: this to have some television.

625
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: I had to exist.

626
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: It does have to exist. So she really she took

627
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: one for the team. Okay, what do you think about Grant?

628
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: I felt like the Grant segment should have been a

629
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: lot spicier and it was just like kind of nice, yes, smooth.

630
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: It's it is it showcases who Grant was the entire season.

631
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: It's just like the drama or anything that gets brought

632
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: to him gets shut down pretty quickly. He's and he's

633
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: very quick to say like, hey, like I was, I

634
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: could have handled that situation better. I'm sorry. And then

635
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do if you're the one

636
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: calling him out?

637
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: He just doesn't want to engage in it. Like I

638
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: feel like Charity was such an exciting bachelorette because she

639
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: was like I have She was like, I have stuff

640
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: to say and I'm gonna address this head on and

641
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's like a controversial opinion, like

642
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: this is how I feel and like respectfully, screw you,

643
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: like saw you did that, saw you said that, Like respectfully,

644
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: what the hell?

645
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

646
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: And I feel like there was opportunity for like a

647
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: little more active back and forth, but he's just like

648
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: not going to participate. He just wants He's like, yeah,

649
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know, deflect, Let's move on, which, like

650
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: is is not a bad thing either, Like I'm not

651
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: saying I don't like conflict either. I would probably be

652
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: more like a grant than a charity, but a charity

653
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: is a little bit more exciting At these tell als,

654
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: I feel like the women often come in a lot

655
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: hotter than the male leads do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to. I want to think of myself

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Speaker 1: that I would handle it more like Grahama.

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Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't. You'd be like, you'd be like,

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Speaker 2: I've been backstage watching all you this whole time, and

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Speaker 2: you know what.

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Speaker 1: I've and I think you're a fucking liar. Hear this.

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Speaker 2: It would be you'd be like, it's my show now, guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm in the hot seat.

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Speaker 1: You guys forget who the lead of this. We also

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Speaker 1: skipped over sas Hot. Oh that was nice. Like I

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Speaker 1: think Serafina, I feel I actually, out of everyone, I

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Speaker 1: feel the most for her because I feel like she

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Speaker 1: liked him the most.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like a lot of people expected

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Speaker 2: her to go to hometowns and then Zoe got it instead,

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Speaker 2: who hadn't had a one on one day Yeah, which

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Speaker 2: I feel like if I was her, I'd be floored.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like damn, I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Can't believe that just happened. Like, and she actually did

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Speaker 2: say like he gave her a lot of validation and

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Speaker 2: she wishes he hadn't, yeah, because it just like really hurt.

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Speaker 2: But there's little chitty chats of maybe her mom being

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Speaker 2: on Golden Bachelor, which I love. I love that. I

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Speaker 2: love the parent child connection on the show. Now that's forming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, something to talk about. Okay, I think that

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Speaker 1: kind of sums it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Be sure to tune

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Speaker 2: in on Thursday we have Sarafina, Grant, Alex Dina, and

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Speaker 2: Ali Joe.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you download a subscribe and stay tuned because

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Speaker 1: we will have exclusive interviews in new episodes. Every week.

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Speaker 2: YEP, Grant's Fantasy Sweet episode is coming up soon and

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Speaker 2: then the grand finale after that, so be sure to

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Speaker 2: tune in, subscribe, and thanks for listening. Bye,