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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,

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Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes, her car, gets out

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Speaker 1: and vanishes. Everybody has a theory. Was she murdered? Was

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Speaker 1: September eight, fift pm, seven fifteen Central on Oxygen, the

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Speaker 1: new network for crime, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. On

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two, Kevin Hart is

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Speaker 1: revealing that he was caught on video in an embarrassing

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Speaker 1: situation with a woman not his wife, and that he

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Speaker 1: was targeted in an extortion flock. I made a bad

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Speaker 1: airring judgment and put myself in environment my only bad

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Speaker 1: things can happen, and they did. Part posted this admission

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and apologized to his wife and two kids.

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Speaker 1: I know that I'm going to hurt the people closest

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Speaker 1: to me, who I've talked to and apologized to be

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Speaker 1: my wife and my kids. According to published reports, a

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Speaker 1: man thought to be hard was captured on camera getting

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Speaker 1: cozy with a woman in a nightclub as well as

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Speaker 1: a bedroom part then allegedly received a demand for ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars in return for keeping the sexually provocative video private.

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Speaker 1: He is hilarious, He is Hollywood gold. He is the

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Speaker 1: star of a ton of Bucks office hits, including Central Intelligence,

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Speaker 1: right along the Wedding Ringer, one of my personal favorites,

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Speaker 1: The Secret Life of Pets. About last night, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about Kevin Hart. But right now he is not in

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Speaker 1: the headlines because he is hilarious or a movie star.

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Speaker 1: He is the target of an extortion plot all cause

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Speaker 1: he could not keep his pants zipped. Okay, that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Now where I'm falling on this. I'm pretty sure as

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Speaker 1: we go into this is unfocused on the crime of extortion. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he cheated, that's between him and his heavily pregnant wife. Uh,

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Speaker 1: with whole moral judgment, because I certainly don't have a

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Speaker 1: leg to stand on. Straight out to Alexis, to Rez

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Speaker 1: Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter, Alexis, let's get right down

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Speaker 1: to it. What happened so we busted Kevin at Radar

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Speaker 1: in July with a woman who was not his wife.

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Speaker 1: He was in a car with her outside a club

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Speaker 1: about three to five o'clock in the morning. And what

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Speaker 1: what what did you say about three o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 1: That's what time he was outside in a car. I'm sorry, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: I got carried away by a headline. Woman in extortion

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Speaker 1: video is a traveling stripper, because I sadly have dealt

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Speaker 1: with a lot of strippers in my lifetime, male and female,

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Speaker 1: and um, you know, trying to find witnesses in cases.

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Speaker 1: The first one I had was a crime victim and

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Speaker 1: she was assaulted and robbed while dressed like a cheerleader

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Speaker 1: in an alley. Okay, I learned right then that the

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Speaker 1: juries no a stripper. When they see a stripper, it

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Speaker 1: does not matter how you dress them up. In court,

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Speaker 1: and I actually had her tell the jury where she

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Speaker 1: went to Sunday school. They looked at me like, girl,

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Speaker 1: just don't don't. I'm like, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So that didn't work. I just saw this headline. The

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Speaker 1: woman in the Kevin Hart extortion video and I'm getting

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Speaker 1: this from my buddies ever at TMZ. Traveling stripper what okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on back to you three a m. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a career where you can go from places like

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Speaker 1: Vegas to Miami, Atlantic City and you can strip in

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Speaker 1: all that. You don't have to live in just one town.

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Speaker 1: You can make big bucks, take off your clothes and

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Speaker 1: lots of different places. Alexis, I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: know how you know about this, Okay, but that traveling

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Speaker 1: stripperhood aside, Did you say three a m. In the morning?

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Speaker 1: Because I used to tell juries all the time, nothing

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Speaker 1: good happens after midnight. You're out and about. After midnight,

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Speaker 1: something bad go happen. Okay, go ahead with the three

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Speaker 1: am thing again. So this actually is previous to this video.

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Speaker 1: This woman, the extortion video you're talking about. We published

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Speaker 1: photos on Radar online of Kevin and other women that

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Speaker 1: were not his wife three am in a outside a car.

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Speaker 1: first time he gets busted. This that was July. Did

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Speaker 1: it hit the headlines? Did he hit the headlines immediately? Oh?

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Speaker 1: because they don't want writer online hanging outside their window

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Speaker 1: no offense, go ahead, we need details. Well, then he

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Speaker 1: this woman. And in fact, there's another video reportedly of

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Speaker 1: slow down please, I've only had one cup of tea

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Speaker 1: so far. Now hold on, I get too excited. Who

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Speaker 1: is the naked man Kevin Hart? Allegedly? How do you know? Well,

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Speaker 1: what part of his anatomy did you recognize? Alexis dress, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: it's that's the thing. I mean, we it's allegedly Kevin

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Speaker 1: would have. I'm not helping you out. I'm not. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: so you're saying the video, do you think that I

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Speaker 1: don't know this yet, that it's Kevin Hart naked in

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Speaker 1: the video? Is this a second video? This is the

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Speaker 1: first video, second cheating instance in a matter of weeks

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Speaker 1: are we talking about? One video? Okay? Is this by

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Speaker 1: the traveling stripper with the traveling stripper. Okay, um, you

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Speaker 1: and alexis stress Chuck can I d haven't heart without

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Speaker 1: his clothes on? Now? So we've got one video and

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Speaker 1: three cheating incidents. One video to cheating incidents alleged. All okay,

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Speaker 1: so now enter the extortion plot. Well, hold on just

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Speaker 1: a moment. Dr Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst, joining me out

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Speaker 1: of l A. Dr Bethany, you know, once you're caught,

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Speaker 1: confess on Twitter and Instagram. Why doesn't experience the other way? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So they cheat and then they confess on Instagrams. They

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Speaker 1: some ey's gonna get slapped, Okay, Nancy, I hadn't experienced

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Speaker 1: rationalizations is he's been framed, or that was a long

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Speaker 1: so that the women are fighting amongst themselves and the

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Speaker 1: I watched this Kevin hart Um so called confession on

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Speaker 1: I can imagine that's true when you have that much

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Speaker 1: put myself in bad situations. Yet straddling a woman's lap

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Speaker 1: shot at at on TMZ. Yes, Alexis, I'm I'm heading

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Speaker 1: don't know who did that, but um, I'm just seeing

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Speaker 1: not a shrink. Dr Bethany. Why is the laughing part

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Speaker 1: seems like hard having a good time and they're sharing

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Speaker 1: she knows that she wrote I have one. Okay, I'm

424
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Speaker 1: not going to ask that follow up question. So Alan,

425
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: what do we know? This is totally ruined her crazy

426
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: defense because she used his credit card and faked phone

427
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: calls to his family. According to a lettres Chuck with

428
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: Radar online dot Com, going where is here? And what

429
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: she told friends also is rather incriminating. But this is

430
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: the thing that strikes me. We just recently did a

431
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: series of shows on Crystal McDowell, the missing Texas reltor

432
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: found murdered allegedly by her husband. This was right down

433
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: the street in Baytown, Texas, the same small Texas town.

434
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Speaker 1: When you say she said incriminating statements, she made statements

435
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: to friends, What if anything did she say? Well, according

436
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: to the things I've seen, she told them that she

437
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: did this, that there were friends that she confided in,

438
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: and that's really not something she can defend against. Very

439
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: easily well. When Sierra Sutton was finally located in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana,

440
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: cops say she seemed quote unphased by the investigation into

441
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's death. And I'm quoting uncaring, no remorse. That's

442
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: the best way I could describe her, says Baytown Police

443
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: lieutenants Steve Doris. Take a listen to what Steve Dorris,

444
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: the lieutenant, had to say. Just that afternoon on August eighteenth,

445
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: Bytown Police Department, again investigating the disappearance of thirty two

446
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: year old Stephen Coleman, Mr. Corman, was last seen on

447
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: August sixteenth by his girlfriend, thirty year old Sierra Sutton,

448
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: who had made a missing person report on August eighteenth.

449
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: And the following days, the Baytown detectives learned that none

450
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: of Stephen's family, friends, or co workers had seen or

451
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: heard from him since the night of the sixteenth. Detectors

452
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: also learned that both of Stephen's vehicles were still parked

453
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Speaker 1: at the apartment complex that he lived at in the

454
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundred block of James Bluey, which caused concern for

455
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: his welfare. During the course of our investigation, detected his

456
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: uncovered evidence and information that led us to believe that Mr.

457
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: Coleman had been the victim of foul play at the

458
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Speaker 1: hands of Sierra Sutton, including the fact that Sierra had

459
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: confided to multiple people in Louisiana that she had in

460
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: fact shot and killed Stephen inside their apartment, dismembered his body,

461
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: and disposed of his remains. On September fourteenth, we presented

462
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: the facts and of evidence uncovered in the course of

463
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: our investigation to the Harris County District Attorney's office, and

464
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: they accepted a charge of murder on Sierra Sutton. Later

465
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: that same evening, Baytown detectives, who are already in Louisiana,

466
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: following up on leeds, along with Louisiana authorities and U. S.

467
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Marshall's office, located Sierra Sutton at an apartment complex in Madie, Louisiana,

468
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: where she was arrested without incident. The evidence uncovered during

469
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: this investigation, along with the timeline of the events, is

470
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: consistent with the unidentified remains that were found in a

471
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: landfill in Chambers County on August twenty two. These facts

472
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: have led our detectives to suspect those remains could be

473
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: those of Stephen Coleman. However, this has not been confirmed

474
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: through DNA at this point. We have submitted DNA from

475
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: the remains in Chambers County along with other DNA for

476
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: comparison to determine if those remains are in fact those

477
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: of Stephen Coleman. That is my prepared statement as far

478
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: as where we are with our investigation, it is obviously

479
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: still an ongoing investigation, so please keep in mind, I'm

480
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna answer a few questions. There are gonna be certain

481
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: details that I'm not gonna be able to answer simply

482
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: because it is an ongoing investigation. Okay, do you think

483
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: it's possible some of her neighbors were thinking is based

484
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: on her that she may have had told any indication

485
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: that Speaking of whether she may have had an accountlice,

486
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: we don't know that she necessarily had an accomplice. We

487
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: did have some information that there may have been some

488
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: other people in the area or at the apartment during

489
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: this time frame, but whether or not they took part

490
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: in anything, we just don't know that where issue right now.

491
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: Miss Sutton is currently in jail in the Jefferson Parish, Louisiana.

492
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: A wedding extradition back to Texas. She said anything to

493
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: investigators who talked to her. We did have a chance

494
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: to interview Miss Sutton over the past few days. Obviously,

495
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: you know that. I think there was one report that

496
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: she had confessed to everything that had happened, which was

497
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: not completely accurate. She gave some information that did put

498
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: her in the apartment at the time of the event.

499
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I only don't want to go into

500
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: detail about what she said in her interview. Uncaring, no remorse,

501
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: That's the best way I can describe it. I'd I

502
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: don't know what a motive would be right now. I

503
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: don't want to speak to that. UM. We do know

504
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: that that her and Stephen we're in a relationship. Uh.

505
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: As far as a motive as to why she would

506
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: do this, we just don't know. Rso was found, have

507
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: any other debudy parts or found. Man't think that more

508
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: christ will be out correct The torso was found um

509
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: out in Chambers County and a landfill that was in

510
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: August twenty two. Is it possible that there are other

511
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: remains of that landfill? Sure it is. Uh. Those are

512
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: those are things that my detectives are following up on

513
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: right now as we speak, as you can imagine, it's

514
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: a landfill. Um. And keep in mind all of this

515
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: happened back in the middle of August when he came

516
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: up missing. Well, we've had a major events since then,

517
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: a Hurricane Harvey, which kind of put us back a

518
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: few weeks on our investigation. Unfortunately, during the course of

519
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: that few weeks, more and more debris and garbage has

520
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: been brought to that landfill, so make it significantly harder

521
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: to find anything. Now here's my next question to Alexis

522
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: terres Chuck, investigative reporter with Radar online dot Com. What

523
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: does she do with his body parts? Oh my gosh,

524
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: she dumped them all over town. She dumped them in

525
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: different places, but she dumped his torso. It was found

526
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: in a landfill. So she really hacked this guy to

527
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: pieces because she wasn't able to carry his whole body

528
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: at once, so she put it in different trash bags

529
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and put them in different dumpsters all around town, and

530
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: investigators found a lot of it, including the torso, and

531
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: they were able to identify him. There were different dumpsters,

532
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: several dumpsters used in her apartment complex. But you're telling me,

533
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: Alexis she actually dumped his other remains in various spots

534
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: around town. Now, isn't it true? Uh? What do you

535
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: make of this? Joe Scott Morgan, crime scene investigator, she

536
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: herself called to make a missing person's report. That's pretty

537
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: pretty bold, right. Yeah. It sounds like she's trying to

538
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: build an aliba for herself. And another piece of this

539
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: is that she has spread this area of distribution out,

540
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: which goes to a higher level of thinking. Uh. You know,

541
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: over the course of this idea that she's uh, that

542
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: she's panicked. At least she had her wits about her

543
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: enough to individually package these remains and then distribute them

544
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: all over the area. Emil Torso was found in the

545
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Chambers County landfill that receives trash from dumpsters throughout Baytown

546
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: in Pasadena we're talking about in Texas. Before the Torso

547
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: was found, we know that Sutton stay with the Common

548
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: family as they looked for their loved one, Dr Bethany.

549
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: She stayed with his family as they were looking for him. Nancy.

550
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: This is such a common story, isn't it. Uh. We

551
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: see this with Scott Peterson, we see it with all

552
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: of these um homicidal individuals who dispose of their husband, wife,

553
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: girlfriend killed them, dispose of them. They always search with

554
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: the family. It's so fascinating to me, and it's it's

555
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: as if they're trying to prove to the family that

556
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: they are not the perpetrator. They try to feign or

557
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: Malinger empathy and and that they're as distraught as the

558
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: family member, and it's it's really bizarre. Reminds me of

559
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: I have a friend who works with a sexual abuse victims,

560
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: and she had this startling experience where the father of

561
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: one of the sexual abuse victims would occasionally come to

562
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: therapy with his daughter, crying and crying about how the

563
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: the daughter had been abused by a third party. And

564
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: then uh that the daughter finally confessed to the therapist,

565
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: to my colleague, that her father was molesting her as well.

566
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: So he was trying to gain sympathy from the therapist

567
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: at the same time that he was molesting his daughter.

568
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: And that's a little random, that story, I know, But

569
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: I think of the psychology of these perpetrators who align

570
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: themselves with the family when in fact they're the one

571
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: that committed the homicide. They're the one that committed the crime,

572
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: and they don't think they're going to be caught. And

573
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I think that matter of the credit card to Nancy,

574
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: I was wondering, was she just trying to buy things

575
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: for herself, thinking that that nobody would discover, or was

576
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: she trying to um cover her tracks and create credit

577
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: card activity to maintain the illusion that he was still alive.

578
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: I was sort of curious about that piece of it. Well,

579
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: I know this, I know his the victim. Coleman's credit

580
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: cards were used at a Harris County Walmart, according to investigators,

581
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: and that she is caught on surveillance by duct tape

582
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: and a mattress pad with his credit card. Okay, that's

583
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: what we know right now. And in my mind, you

584
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: do this is the death penalty case, and you've got

585
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: your ten year old daughter in the next room. You're

586
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: going straight to hell with a tiny, tiny pit stop

587
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: on death road. That's what we know right now. Will

588
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: it never end? Even as I say those words, I

589
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: can tell you right now the answer is no, It

590
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: will never end With O. J. Simpson. Why won't he

591
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: go quietly into the night. Oh yes, there is another uproar,

592
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: as if the double murder, the beating the women, the

593
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: stealing at gunpoint, the armed robbery, the fantastical not guilty,

594
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: the sci fi parole hearing. Yeah, there's something new. I mean,

595
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: you see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for

596
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: being with us. I can barely fix my mouth to

597
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: say this. I'm gonna go out to Ed Lozy l

598
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: a publicist to the stars. I know I'm in trouble ed.

599
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: No offense and none taken. I'm sure when I say

600
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: L a publicist, when I start a sentence with L

601
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: a publicist, I know somebody has done done something wrong, okay,

602
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: and they're famous. So Ed, what's this all about? A

603
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: titian to the Florida Governor about O J. Simpson? What

604
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: is it? And can I sign it? What is it? Okay?

605
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: It's this is a petition to the governor of Florida,

606
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Governor Rick Scott, who has the power to keep O J. Out.

607
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: The only reason we want him to delay at least

608
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: sixty days or until the infrastructure of Florida is back.

609
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: They don't even have power and water yet. What what

610
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: do you think O. J. Simpson will use more than

611
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: his fair share of path They want to have a

612
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: thousand media cameras. I guess he probably will over overburn

613
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the nine one one system. I can tell you that

614
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: because he'll you know, no telling who's going to be

615
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: calling nine one one next on Simpson. But what's the

616
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: problem was I want him to go there because I

617
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: I sure don't want him to come here. I don't

618
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: want him walking across my backyard. So tell me the

619
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: reason they can't go to Florida. Somewhere far far, maybe

620
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: down hiding in the in the Everglades, down in the

621
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: Tell me again about this, this petition to Florida Governor

622
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Rick Scott to stop Simpson from coming to Florida. Repeat, yes,

623
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: it's Governor Rick Scott has the power to keep o

624
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: J out for until he gets the state back in order.

625
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: There's thousands of people without power, without water, without food.

626
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: What the hell do they need one thousand camera crews

627
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: showing up. The airport's being clogged up, hotels and people,

628
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: and not to mention the wacky fans of o J

629
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: that are already on their way. Okay, he's getting out

630
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: in just two weeks or less than two weeks. Why

631
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: does flower to need that? Well? I thought that this

632
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: is going to be something like you don't want him there?

633
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: Because he might kill more people or arm rob somebody.

634
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: You just don't want him using your power in your water.

635
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Is that it? Because that's not gonna work. You gotta

636
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Speaker 1: have something better than that. It's it's it's the point

637
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: of it was a good point. It was brought up

638
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: by Detective James Penbroke, who wrote this book. Just all

639
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: started with our book promotion and he called me up

640
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: and said, I've got relatives. You mean the authors of

641
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: O J. Hold on plugging your book, buddy, O J.

642
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: The Killer, the minute by minute account of the murders

643
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. Right, we all have

644
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: relatives in Florida. Okay, we all have friends in Florida

645
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: and they're hurting. And you know, this was just just

646
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: hopefully when he said to me, you know, we need

647
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: to petition the governor. He can keep o J out

648
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: and if he's not going to be released, he can

649
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: only go to Florida. The parole Board agree to that,

650
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: can only go to Florida. If he's he's not allowed

651
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: in that means he has to stay in jail. Bingo,

652
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: that's what we want. So if it's sixty days, all

653
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: we're asking for Okay, say that's a brilliant strategy. That's

654
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: a brilliant strategy with me is Ed Losey, l a

655
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: publicist to the stars, Dr Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst joining

656
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: me out of l A Alexis Urez, Chuck Radar online

657
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, and of course Alan the Duke Duke joining us.

658
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: So let let me understand this. I did not realize.

659
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I've never thought it through, but I guess, knowing the law,

660
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: the Constitution, I should have figured it out. A governor.

661
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: You're telling me a governor has the power to keep

662
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: somebody out if they're felon. The reason I guess I've

663
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: never thought about it this way is because the Constitution

664
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Speaker 1: not as written by the founding fathers. Okay not they

665
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: didn't write this, but it has been interpreted to mean

666
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: that interstate travel may not be burdened. In other words,

667
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I can travel from New York to New Jersey to

668
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: any of the fifty states with no checkpoint Charlie's, no taxes,

669
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: no barricades, no crossing borders, but without going death come

670
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: forward into constitutional law. You are telling me that you're

671
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: convinced Ed Losey publicists to the stars that aside from

672
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: that constitutional provision, a governor can in fact disallow or

673
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: prevent a convicted felon from coming into their state. Is

674
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: that true? Because that's true, Why don't we just why

675
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: don't we just disallow all convicted felons coming into our

676
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: state them You can't keep him out forever because the

677
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: arrangements were made and he agreed to allowing O. J.

678
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Simpson to come there. Well, we're asking him is to

679
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: use his power to keep him out until Florida gets

680
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: their act together. And they do not have it together.

681
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: They are really hurting and they're about to get hit

682
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: with another storm in eight days, big one. And it's

683
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: why do we need a thousand camera cras shown up

684
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: there and taking the spotlight off the victims of the

685
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: storms and all about him, about O J? All these people,

686
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: and the news is going to be botched with nothing

687
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: but him in Florida playing off with his buddies. Now,

688
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: we want him to stay in, you know, in Nevada

689
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: until California, until so Florida gets their act together. It's

690
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: just common sense. And I want to pause because we're

691
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: just rattling off facts about Simpson, right, now Florida and

692
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: so many other places are hurting so badly. If you

693
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: go to our Crime Online website, you'll see a way

694
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: if you want to donate, to donate through the Red

695
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: Cross or through um Court United Methodist Campaign of Relief,

696
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: where one of your donation goes to actually helping people.

697
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: I know I have done relief after Katrina for the

698
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Methodist Church, So that's why I allowed that to be

699
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: on our website at crime online dot com. But and

700
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: I just had to say that because what's happening in

701
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: Florida and and elsewhere is not just a headline. People

702
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: are hurting there. I want to go to Alexis Torres

703
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Speaker 1: Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter. It's been said that Simpson

704
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: is itching for retirement life after getting out of jail,

705
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: which you know, to me means, um, you go to

706
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: a book club and you go to cost Co around

707
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: three o'clock to taste all the tastings. I don't know

708
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: how I know about that. You go for walks in

709
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: those special shoes, and I guess he would play golf.

710
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: So do you really believe that's what's going to happen? Alexis?

711
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: What do we know about Simpson's life post jail in Florida.

712
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: What will it be? I think it will be exactly

713
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: what it was before the Nevada prison. Stant O j

714
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: loves the attention and he has his entire life. He

715
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: was a star, like from high school on when he

716
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: became a football star. He is not going to stay

717
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: away from the spot like he can't physically. Oh, I

718
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: thought you meant partying with a bunch of Nicole Brown

719
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: lookalalives with mini skirts up to their fannies. Um and

720
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: the alleged use of highly fueled cocaine parties allegations only

721
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that's what you were talking about. No,

722
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm talking about. He because that's all

723
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: he knows, and that's what he's gonna do. He's gonna

724
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: go back to finding another young girlfriend and like the

725
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: ones that he had after Nicole, they're going to call

726
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: nine one one because things are going to turn ugly.

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00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: You know. He had the audacity to say during that

728
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: parole hearing that he doesn't lead a criminal life, that

729
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he's led. And I think that he's

730
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: not going to change. He seems so unaware of everything

731
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: that he done wrong at that pearl hearing that, I

732
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: think that he's just gonna get right back out and

733
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: do everything again. To Dr Bethany Marshall, Psychoana's joining me

734
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Speaker 1: out of l A there with Ed Losey l A

735
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Speaker 1: Pulis is to the stars. Dr bethany Way, and I

736
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: know that you are jumping at the big go ahead.

737
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: I am I cannot help but look at this through

738
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: a mental health lens, from a mental health perspective. And

739
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: we all know that O. J. Simpson fits the profile

740
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: of the sociopath. That's quite obvious. But one of the

741
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: little known facts about sociopathy is that they have internal deadness.

742
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: They have a proneness to boredom. That's what you see

743
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: in the literature. And because there's this proneness to boredom,

744
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: they have an excessive need for stimulation. So what does

745
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: that look like with somebody like O. J. Simpson. It's

746
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: it's what you've referred to. It's seeking the limelight, attention,

747
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: getting behavior, partying it up um drug toys of stimulants,

748
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: probably not pot or something that would be a downer.

749
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Um carrying on in the limelight and in front of

750
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: the camera. Now I'm not sure if that's really going

751
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: to tax the system? What what the problem is with

752
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: cameras at the airport? You know, I'm not clear on

753
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: that aspect of it, but I do know that he

754
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: that Alexis dress Chuck is right. He's going to continue

755
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: to do what he did before, and it's going to

756
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: be excessive parting. That's all it's going to be. I

757
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: also think about this from a social psychology perspective, and

758
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: it seems to me that there's not only a fascination

759
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: um of O. J. Simpson, but kind of a mass

760
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: hysteria about him coming into the state. Look, Florida is

761
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: full of felons. It's like all the crimes we've covered

762
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: over the years, most of them of them are in Florida.

763
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: A part of me thinks, you know, what's the problem

764
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: with one more felon? They seem to be equipped to

765
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: handle that there, so um, it seems to me to

766
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: be the best place you should be. Can I tell

767
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: you a lazy Dr Bethany Alexis Alan. Some of my

768
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: favorite books that I've ever read Karl Hyacin and he

769
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and he writes about Florida, and you know, it's it's

770
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: it is hilarious. Because people from all over the world

771
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: go to Florida and then Florida has to deal with them,

772
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: just like they're gonna have to deal with o J.

773
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: Of all the places in the world to go there,

774
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: he's going to be you know, I'll probably see him

775
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: when I try to get on the Disney ship with

776
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: the twins. Um So long story short, Alan Duke, what

777
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: is the reality about what, if anything Florida can do

778
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: about it? Well, you know, the governor may very well

779
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: be able to ban a convict from the state. But specifically,

780
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: I do know that o J is depending on the

781
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: Florida Board of Paroles the parole officers there to monitor him.

782
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Nevada has a reciprocal agreement with the state of Florida

783
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: that they will monitor him and make sure he meets

784
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: his parole obligations. If Florida chooses not to do that,

785
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: then o J may not be a to go there

786
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: because he's got to have a parole officer. But I

787
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: find it very difficult to believe that a state can

788
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: refuse two take on the parole or probation duties from

789
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: another state because we're kind of all in this together. Remember,

790
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: we are one nation. It's one nation. I've never heard

791
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: of this. Role and probation are state by state systems.

792
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: If you're in let's say Florida, and you want to

793
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: come to California and you are on probation or parole,

794
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: you have to get California to degree to take your case. Well,

795
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: I've never in all of my years heard of anyone

796
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: refusing it. When this is hello, Hello, Hello Dr Bethany

797
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: and Alexis and I refuse to be interrupted. Okay, we

798
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: will not have men talking over us. Now. If anybody's

799
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: going to be a bully, it's gonna be the ladies. Okay.

800
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: I I notice an unusual silence. Je acky, I've never

801
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: heard Alan do silent before. I better let me take

802
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: advantage of it really quickly. Alan, what I'm saying isn't

803
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: all the years I prosecuted, I never had a state

804
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: when a defendant had to move for his family or

805
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: a job or something. I've never heard of a state saying, oh,

806
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: heck no, we're not gonna take his parole here, forget it.

807
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that. I cannot name any examples,

808
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: but I know that that is the case that they

809
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: have to accept it if they don't have a reciprocal

810
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: agreement with a state, then you can't go to that statement.

811
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: Back to Ed, Lozzy, tell me again, and how do

812
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: you think this is gonna work? Is there really a

813
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: chance that Florida can keep O. J. Simpson out? Hey,

814
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: you forgot to say publicists of stars, but that's okay,

815
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: But that's publicist to the stars, Publicists to the stars.

816
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: Six law firms here in our business, so we do

817
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of legal pr So I'm work with a

818
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: lot of hyper publicists to the stars and law firms.

819
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: The criminal case, I was there, I went through this.

820
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: This guy has been intermixing with my life since I

821
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: know what he is. He's more than the social path.

822
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: He's responsible for murder according to the civil trial. I'm

823
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: only concerned about the citizens of Florida. And that's what

824
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: this petition is about. It's not about a thousand camera

825
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: crews showing up in the airquorking jam and all that.

826
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: That's that's not what it is. It's about the news

827
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: being taken away from what's needed in Florida. It's about

828
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: the six o'clock news hours and the eleven o'clock news

829
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: hours talking about Red Cross and who needs what and

830
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: pictures of people in pain and suffering, which generates care

831
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: and money. When o J takes over, there's not gonna

832
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: be any of that. It's gonna be a takeover of

833
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: every move he makes, everywhere he goes, right right in

834
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: the middle of the storm. Well, I've got I want

835
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: to reassure you. Add I want to reassure you that,

836
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: according to Simpson, he'll never be bad again. So add

837
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: Losy l a publicist to the Stars and twenty six

838
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: law firms. What do we do if we want to

839
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: sign the petition? Are you just go to the site

840
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: www dot f l g o V which is Florida

841
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: gov dot com, and then contact and the governor's name

842
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: w w W Florida gov dot com and just jacked

843
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: in governor and you'll you'll get his office and his

844
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: contact information, phone number and email. Publicists to the Stars,

845
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: Ed Losey, Justice, Scott Morgan, death investigator, Professor of Forensics

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