1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This cute little girl in 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: high school that suddenly shaves off her eyebrows, files her 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: teeth down to a point, and talks about drinking blood. 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: What happened Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She made it 5 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: so exciting, and hey, I'm gonna come pick you up. 6 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna come up here, and I want you to 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: meet Puzzuzu. I want your opinion on him. So okay, 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: well that's cool. We'll get up there. And everything was 9 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: fine until I walked on to the front porch. The 10 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: stench just it was like a smack to the face. 11 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: It was so strong. First thing I ever said to 12 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Pazuzu when I at him was dude, your house smells 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: like death, and he kind of laughed, Oh yeah, it's 14 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: just the bodies and the base man. Okay, I can 15 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: imagine that laugh. You know, once you smell a dead body, 16 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: a human body, you never forget it, and nobody really 17 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: has to tell you what it is. I mean it, 18 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 19 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: with us. You were just hearing our friends at the Devil, 20 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: you know on Viceland. Wow, could they not have described 21 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: it any better? What happened, What happened in Clement's, North Carolina. 22 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's joining us Patholi Deputy Medical Examina in Travis County, Texas. 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: That's in Austin. Doctor, thank you so much for being 24 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: with us. I'm sure you perform more autopsies than you 25 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: can even remember, but nobody has to tell you when 26 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: you smell a dead body. Oh, yes, that's very true. 27 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: It has a very distinct odor. You know, you can 28 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: be driving down the road and smell a horrible smell 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: and know that an animal has been run over. You know, 30 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting to doctor Karen Starts Psychologists joining me from Manhattan. 31 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Karen on TV, it's also slick and airbrushed and edited 32 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: when you see these crime stories on TV. It's not 33 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: like that at all in real life. It's amazing to 34 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: me sometimes that people are so fascinated with a murder. 35 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: I guess it's because they're not seeing the real thing, 36 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: because it's something you probably never want to see again. 37 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: You never want to be exposed to it. Nancy and 38 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: I think that watching it on TV sometimes it's coats 39 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: over the fact that it's as horrific as it really is, 40 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: because you don't smell it, and you're not there to 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: get the details that you're described, Leavi Page. Who wasn't 42 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: that walked up to this front porch so unknowingly and 43 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: smelled the smell of death? Who was that, Nancy? It 44 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: was neighbors and people that had been there. He had 45 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: a lot of parties, and some of his friends had 46 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: also smelled the smell of death, and while they were there, Nancy, 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: this guy bragged about killing people. But he was so 48 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: bizarre that people brushed it off and just thought that 49 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: he was kind of crazy. You know, how often is 50 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: that true? Joining me, Steve Lampley, Detective Steve Lampley. People 51 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: joke about bodies in the basement. I mean at Halloween, 52 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: I put an arm on the back of the minivan 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and we decorate the house. Most people wouldn't think anything 54 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: of it when someone says, I was just the dead 55 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: bodies in the basement, But for a detective like yourself, 56 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: that's a real giveaway. Well, Nancy, everything's taken seriously, of course, 57 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: But people do people do joke with police officer, you 58 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: know the world, don't I did this and that? But 59 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: oftentimes is in this case, it's not a joke and 60 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: it has to be taken seriously a new especially if 61 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody comes up to you and says 62 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: any needs to be looked into. You heard speaking a 63 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: woman named Katie Wagner Davis, and she is a friend 64 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: of a woman named Amber. She wanted Katie to come 65 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: to Pazuzu's parties. Let's just clear up the record here. 66 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Amber is a woman around twenty eight twenty nine years old, 67 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: and that is Pazuzu's girlfriend. And isn't it odd to 68 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: Ken Belkin joining us today, renown criminal defense attorney in 69 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: the New York jurisdiction, Ken, why is it? You may 70 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: give me a different answer from what I'm thinking? But 71 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: women are so blind to what's wrong with their mate. 72 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: I mean, and nearly every child molestation I have ever prosecuted, 73 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: and this is a sorry story, the women side with 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: the man, even in a face of overwhelming evidence of 75 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: molestation of their own biological children. It's very hard for 76 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: women when they have this picture in their mind of 77 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: the perfect relationship, to see what's wrong with the guy? 78 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: Hello has how smells like a dead body? There's something wrong? 79 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: But here she is saying, Hey, I got a guy, 80 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: I want you to meet. It's my boyfriend, Puzuzu Algarad. 81 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever say, have you ever had 82 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: a client Kim Malkin that was blinded by love? Well, look, 83 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: everyone's capacity for selflulusion is limited when it comes to 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: the significant number that they love the most. Take my 85 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: golfriend for example, she has to overlook the fact that 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: I have a cat. Now that's not you know, it 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: doesn't relate to the situation here. But you know, people 88 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: will overlook these things. They will delude themselves. They will 89 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: tell lives for themselves, and the longer they tell these 90 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: lives to themselves, they will believe them. Well, it wasn't 91 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: just the girlfriend that was looking through rose ten glasses. 92 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at w XII twelve, 93 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: This is News reporter Talita Vickers I spoke with a 94 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: resident who passes this home every single day on his 95 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: morning walk. He says that both suspects really kept to 96 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: themselves and finding out about the buried bodies in his 97 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: neighborhood is alarming to the school bus here every day 98 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 1: and all that type of goods. Now, the precise County 99 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office, it did receive a search warrant to not 100 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: only search the backyard but also the inside of this 101 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: home here, and they tell us that they are continuing 102 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: to piece together evidence that they found inside and outside 103 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: of the home, again not releasing what led them here. 104 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's bad when you've got cops digging through 105 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: your trash in your backyard. When you look at your 106 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: kitchen window and you see the cops back there, something 107 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: is very, very wrong. It's not like when you pull 108 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: up Ken Belkin, the or criminal defense attorney to a 109 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: red lie and you see a cop over in the 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: corner arresting somebody for speeding or didn't put on their blanker. 111 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: When you see a cop picking through your backyard, you 112 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: better get on the phone and call Ken Belkin. You 113 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: know that's absolutely correct, and more freasonally than not a 114 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: lot of people will call me, because if you're at 115 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: that stage of an investigation where cops are in your 116 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: backyard going through your trash, more than likely an arrest. 117 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: A search warrant was ordered by a judge. So I 118 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: mean detectives had to go in front of a judge 119 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: with a prosecutor, lay out the probable cause for the 120 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: search warrant and get a judge to sign off crime 121 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: stories with and see Grace. My name is Katie Wagner Davis, 122 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: and I met Amber in high school. We were the 123 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: best friends. In no time, I saw my best friend 124 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: do a complete total one eighty. One day she's star bubbles. 125 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: The next day she's not showering, shaving all of her 126 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: eyebrows off, and filing her teeth down to point so 127 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: that she could bite into these animals. And it's just no. 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: Whenever I first really started hearing about Pazuzu, we got 129 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: a few phone calls from her telling me that, you know, 130 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: she really likes this guy. He's really cool. He's a statanist. 131 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: She would talk about these rituals. I guess Pazuzu would 132 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: kill an animal and drink the blood. I know that 133 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: they would cut each other open and drink each other's blood. Okay, 134 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: if I even heard that, I would turn and run 135 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: for the hills, as if I had seen a monster. 136 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Why did she stick with him? That's my big question. 137 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: Right now, you are hearing our friends over advice on 138 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: the Devil, you know, describing this cute little girl in 139 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: high school that suddenly shaves off her eyebrows, files her 140 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: teeth down to a point and talks about drinking blood. Okay, 141 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: right at the quit showering. She had my attention right there. 142 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: You know, as much as I love you, Doctor Crown 143 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and Ken Belkin, Steve Lampley leave page, doctor Karen start, 144 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: I need a shrink, and I need it fast. How 145 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: does somebody go from just such an extreme from zero 146 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: to one eighty mph seemingly overnight? Nancy, there's something that 147 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: happened when you meet somebody who's exciting, even if it's 148 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: horriffic to us and we don't understand it, he's appealing 149 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: to a young girl. It's very cold. Like think about Manson, right. 150 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: She sees him as being powerful, shiding extraordinary the kanis 151 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: and for whatever is going on in her life. We 152 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: don't know her background, but there's something about him that 153 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: draws her to him. Stop right there, Karen, Karen, Karen, 154 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute now. Now, if I were to see 155 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: something dangerous, I'd say, you know what, see you and 156 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: be gone. But I guess at a certain age in 157 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: your life you're more drawn to excitement. But biting the 158 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: head off an animal and drinking the blood, I don't 159 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: know that I would call that excitement. I would call 160 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: that gruesome. I mean even a fifteen or sixteen year 161 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: old girls should know that not necessarily, not when somebody's 162 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: won you over. This is really it's come light. So 163 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: it's blind attraction. It's just whatever this guy is telling her, 164 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: whatever is supposed to be happening. As a result of 165 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: drinking the blood, it becomes a part of something that 166 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: she sees as fine, not holoristic anymore as excited shaving 167 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: the eyebrows, they're filing the teeth to points the drinking 168 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: animal blood. I mean, Ken Belkin, New York criminal defense attorney, 169 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: isn't killing an animal and drinking it's blood Isn't there 170 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: a crime? Isn't that there a law? Is that? Oh yeah, 171 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: you could definitely be prosecuted for cruel being the animals? 172 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: And believe me, I know you would think it's not 173 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: as common as it is. It does get prosecuted. Okay, 174 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: listen to this. She wasn't the only one that witnesses 175 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: his peculiarities. Because we learn about this quote. Bled that 176 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: is defense talk, defense talk. Troubled that means doing wild, crazy, 177 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: usually illegal things. That's what troubled means. Troubled. High school 178 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: dropout who changes his name to Pazzuzu, from John to Puzzuzu, 179 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: making his middle name Algarad his surname, and adopting as 180 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: his first name. That the main demon in The Exorcist. 181 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, who's Puzzuzu then brought Satanism to 182 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: the suburbs. Yeah, that's who this guy is. Now Jackie 183 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: Howard is wildly waiving a note to me. She's concerned 184 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: that he had three girlfriends. Now, Jackie, I don't know, 185 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: but you may be projecting something that's happened in your past. 186 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that, but you seem to think 187 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: that's much worse then file your teeth to points, shaving 188 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: off your eyebrows, and drinking animal blood. She's like, but 189 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: he's got three girlfriends and he's calling them all his 190 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: fiance all right. You know what that says to me? 191 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: That says a cult because you have multiple people following 192 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: along with you, basically like a Charles Manson of Clemens. 193 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Sylvia le Beau. I'm related to the situation just by 194 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He 195 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: had this thing called fiances. He had several women followers. 196 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: Dixie crystal amber, and he called them his fiances. That 197 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: term is always stuck with me, fiances. He had the 198 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: sense of power. You know what. Shaving your eyebrows and 199 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: filing your teeth to a point is not against the law. 200 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Can deface yourself pretty much anyway you want to. But 201 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: this is where I have a problem. The Pscyth County 202 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's Office has identified this skeletil remains that were 203 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: found buried at this Clement's home on knob Hill Drive. 204 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: The first victim has been identified as Tommy Dean Welch 205 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventy eight. The second victim has been 206 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: identified as Joshua Frederick Wetsler. Wetsler was reported missing by 207 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: his son's mother. Stacy Carter says she had known Wessler 208 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: for a decade before his disappearance. They had met in 209 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: Washington and moved to North Carolina planning to open a 210 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: horse business. Their son was born in two thousand and four. 211 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Carter and Wessler eventually broke up. She tells me the 212 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: last time she saw josh was in July two thousand 213 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: and nine, and that he was a very loving, caring father. 214 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: So when he stopped calling his son, she knew something 215 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: was up, but it did how unusual, and he didn't 216 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: call his mother on his birthday, and he didn't contact 217 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: his son because he is a very loving father and 218 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: they put family first and on his son first. The 219 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: two people who actually live at this home are suspected 220 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: of burying the bodies in the shallow graves were approaching 221 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: the twenty four hour market. Crime scene tape is up 222 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: and investigators remain on the scene, but thirty five year 223 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: old Bazoozu Algarade and twenty four year old Amber Birch 224 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: are now locked up facing charges in connection to the 225 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: human remains. Both suspects, as I mentioned, live at twenty 226 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: seven forty nine knob Hill Drive in Clements where the 227 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: skeletal remains were found in shallow graves at the back 228 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: of this home. No word yet what led investigators to 229 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: search the property yesterday, but the recipe County Sheriff's Office 230 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: alone with the State or of Investigation could be seen 231 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: throughout the night securing the scene and collecting evidence. You 232 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: were hearing from our friends at w XII twelve News 233 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: that was Talita Vickers on the scene. Why you know, 234 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: the state never has to prove motive to a jury. 235 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: But why did these two guys go missing and are 236 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: they in fact in this guy Pazuzu Algard aka John 237 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: Algard Lawson's backyard? And also why did the girlfriend as 238 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, not one, two, but three girlfriends 239 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: stand by? Did they know what was happening? Take a 240 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Talitha at wx H twelve. When 241 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: I spoke with investigators with a Psithe County a Sheriff's office, 242 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: they told me that they could not release yet what 243 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: led them to this home. However, they are confident that 244 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: they have the people involved with murdering and burying the 245 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: two victims here at this home well the residence. Thirty 246 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: five year old Pazuzu al Gerard and twenty four year 247 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: old Amber Bert remain locked up this morning, charge with 248 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: one counts of murder and one counts of accessory after 249 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: the fact to murder. Theaters believe the two are responsible 250 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: for killing and bearing two victims in shallow graves behind 251 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: the whole where they live. Investigators dug up the graves 252 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: Sunday and transporting the remains to wait for his Baptist 253 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: Medical Center for positive identification. You can see photos of 254 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: this guy Pazuzu la Algord born John Lawson at crime 255 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: online dot com. And when you see the dramatic transformation 256 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: in his appearance. Have you guys ever seen those ads 257 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: on TV about what happens to you when you use 258 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: meth about your methamphetamine, how your face totally changes you 259 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: suddenly look. It can be nineteen years old and you 260 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: look like your fifty five and you've been run over. 261 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: That's the transformation you see. As a matter of fact. 262 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective joining us. You know people when you're 263 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: walking down the street, you just see them and some 264 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: type of instinct takes over and you go to the 265 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: other side of the street. That's this guy. If you 266 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: take a look at him, that's him, Jackie. Have you 267 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: seen his picture? I mean you would totally. I would 268 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: pull the twins away and go, okay, getting the car 269 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: lot the door, getting the car lot the door. Yeah, Nancy, Well, 270 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: that's what he wanted, apparently from from the articles and 271 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: information that I have, he wanted to create that environment, 272 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: he wanted to create create that alarm, and he wanted 273 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: to bring Satanism to that small community. So that was 274 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: right down his alley for people to do that he 275 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: wanted the shock factor. From what I understand crime stories 276 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to doctor Karon Start, a psychologist, I 277 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: always refer to conscious and gut feelings, and I do 278 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: not think that they are taken seriously enough because I'm 279 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: that hunches are born over thousands of years of evolution. 280 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: I think your body is like a giant computer, beyond 281 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: any AI yet created, where you smell something, you sense something, 282 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: you hear something, you feel a shift in the wind. 283 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Your body as beyond any radar or sonar yet created. 284 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: And when you have a hunch, you should follow it 285 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: because your body, your mind, your senses that you can't 286 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: even identify, are telling you something. Your instincts are correct, Nancy, 287 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: that's what a hunches. A hunches about an instinct of 288 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: feeling that something is wrong. And we're picking up on 289 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of information in front of our brains that 290 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: we're not aware of, and you should pay attention. And 291 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: what's fascinating is there were no hunches when it came 292 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: to these fiances because they found him intriguing. This was 293 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: a cult, so they were able to be under his spell. 294 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: But what's a thing that set people around him were 295 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: ignoring what was happening despite their hunches. Guys, the one 296 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: thing Pazuzu feared was going to jail because he was 297 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: afraid he couldn't do his blood rituals every month on 298 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: the Dark Moon. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment to 299 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: doctor Kindall Crowns joining US deputy and me and Travis County, Texas. 300 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: He is a pathologist, doctor Crowns, how do you determine 301 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: cause of death? When a body has been buried, time 302 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: has gone by, the body has decomposed, how do you 303 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: manage to ferret out the truth? So depending on how 304 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: much decomposition has occurred, if you still have organs left, 305 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: you can still even though they've decomposed quite a bit, 306 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: you can still find the injuries in the organs that 307 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: can help you determine cause of death and even natural 308 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: disease processes. Now, if they've decomposed so much that they've 309 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: become skeletons and there's no tissue left whatsoever, we can 310 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: still look at the bones and find injuries on the bones, 311 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: fractures and traumatic injuries like stab wounds and gunshot wounds, 312 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: things of that nature, where we can still make the 313 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: determination that this person did indeed die of trauma. And 314 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: of course with a bullet wound, you look for entry. 315 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: If there's not an exit, you may very well find 316 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: the bullet in the body. Doctor Browns, have you ever 317 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: had to work on a body that had already begun 318 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: to decompose. Yes, I've had to do autopsies on decomposed 319 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: cases thousands of times, and skeleton cases for that matter. Now, 320 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: when you say skeleton cases, what do you mean by that, 321 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns. I could listen to you talk about medical 322 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: examination all day long. Now you've got me interested about 323 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: how you perform an autopsy on a skeletonized body. How 324 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: do you do that? So when the remains are brought in, 325 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: what we'll do is we'll do an X ray or 326 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: a CT scan where we'll look for any lead or 327 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: anything like that from a bullet or a knife that's 328 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: still in the bony remains. Then we'll take the remains 329 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: out of the bag and we'll sort through them and 330 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: will arrange them anatomically and determine how many bones we have, 331 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: if there's any missing, etc. And then wait a minute, 332 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: doctor Crown's question, can you, and don't be modest, can 333 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: you look at a bone and just looking at it 334 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: and know where it goes on the body. Oh, yes, 335 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: there's certain there's certain marks on the bones that you 336 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: can determine if it's right or left. And okay, we're 337 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: all extremely impressed here in the studio. This may be 338 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: child's play to you, But the thought that you could 339 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: look at a bone and know exactly where it goes 340 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: on the human body, I've always been really curious. I 341 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: was thinking about I can't remember what case it was. 342 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: It may have been Kelly Anthony top Mom's daughter where 343 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: the cops and the medical examiner or investigators were out 344 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: late into the night trying to find all of her 345 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: over two hundred bones so the medical examiner could put 346 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: them together. I guess to you, it's like you know 347 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people baking a cake. You put in 348 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: the flower, you put in the show, or a blah blah. 349 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: Then you have a cake. You can look at a 350 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: bone and tell where it goes in a body. Another question, 351 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, And believe it or not, after all 352 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: the years I've prosecuted homicide and covered them, I've never 353 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: asked this, doctor Crowns. When you have a case where 354 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: the body has begun to decompose, and like the visitor said, 355 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: the stinch was unbearable. How do you perform the autopsy 356 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: with the smell of decomposition? How do you do that? Exally? 357 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: What we always tell people is you breathe through your mouth, 358 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: not your nose, and you don't smell the smell as much, 359 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: and then if you don't leave the room, you come 360 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: basically nose blind to it over time. For myself in particular, 361 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: my older brother knocked me around a few times that 362 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: I've had head trauma, and I have never really been 363 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: able to smell all that well. So I was uniquely 364 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: suited for this line of work because of that. Okay, 365 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm totally stealing your life for my next murder mystery novel, 366 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: because Jackie, please right this down. I've never heard of 367 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: that before. A perfect job for you. I was just 368 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: wondering if medical examiners use some type of a head 369 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: covering or a mask or something so the d COMP 370 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: doesn't just overwhelm them. I've seen cops and I actually 371 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: am writing about this in my next fiction book, where 372 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: a rookie cop goes to a crime scene there's d 373 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: COMP and he actually just starts vomiting because the smell 374 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: is so overwhelming. You know who's getting lost in the 375 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: sauce right now, and it's my fault. Joshua Retzler and 376 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: Tommy welch Amber Birch's involvement in the murders and the 377 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: proper burials of two men at this clemen's home began 378 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: in July of two thousand and nine. Detectives say the 379 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: first victim was Joshua Wetzler. He'd been living in the 380 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: home of Devil Worshiper pursues you Algarad until algarade Shine 381 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: killed him and hit his body in the basement. Algard 382 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: called Birch his girlfriend and she came up from South Carolina. 383 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: At the hell Bury Wetsler when josh and Tommy were 384 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: discovered the dam with the families, and they told us 385 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: they were going to fill us in everything that's going 386 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: to happen at the trial. And it's been two and 387 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: a half years since they found josh and all this time, 388 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, we kept asking when is there going to 389 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: be an intatment, when is there going to be a trial, 390 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: and we never were contacted with any information. Finally, two 391 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: years after the bodies are found in the backyard and Namhill. 392 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Amber Burch takes a plea deal and finally appears in 393 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: court to answer for what she's done. You're hearing our 394 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: friends at Viceland and the Devil, you know, and they 395 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: are talking about a guy whose lifelong goal it wasn't 396 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: to win the Olympics. It wasn't to be president of 397 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: the bank. It was to be a demon. And he 398 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: named himself after a demon in the Exorcist, Pezuzu Algarod 399 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: born John Lawson charged in the murders of Joshua Wretzler 400 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: and Tommy Welch. But what about Amanda Birch and Crystal Mattlocke. 401 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: Are they both his quote fiances to leave a page 402 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Who are these women, 403 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Amanda Birch and Crystal Matlock And what if anything, did 404 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: they have to do with the murders. Amber Birch was 405 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Nancy, and this guy wanted to emulate Charles Manson, 406 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: so he collected women to join this cult and that's 407 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: what they did, and they were his accessories. His other 408 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: fiance that he called her, twenty eight year old Crystal Matlock, 409 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: she was accused of helping him in Birch bury the bodies, 410 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: and she was charged as an accessory after the fact. Wow, 411 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: you know you would think that there were plenty of 412 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: red flags with a guy who's apparently lifelong dream is 413 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: to be a demon. Well, guess what there were. Al 414 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: Gerard was arrested in two ten and charged with accessory 415 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: after the fact in the murder of Joseph Chandler, a 416 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: legally blind man from Clemens, whose body was found at 417 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: Dona Park in Yakin County June seven, twenty ten. Four 418 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: years later, al Gerard here is apparently back behind bars 419 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: along with Birch at the First Sithe County Detention Center. 420 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: Both are charged with one count of murder and one 421 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: count of accessory after the fact to murder. They're also 422 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: being held without bond. The skeletal remains have been taken 423 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: to Wakeforce Baptist Medical Center for a positive identification and 424 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: further examination. You're hearing our friend again, Talita Vickers there 425 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: at w XII to kid Melcon New York criminal defense 426 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: attorney Kent. What is accessory after the fact. The accessory 427 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: after the fact is when you take part in the 428 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: cover up in the crime, usually or you know you 429 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: undertake some sort of efforts to assist in the person 430 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: who committed the crime, sort of evading detection, avating consequences 431 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. It was curious to me 432 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: Steve Wampley, detective joining us today that no motive has 433 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: ever been revealed. And again, as ken Belkolin will back 434 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: me up on this, the state's never required to prove 435 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: motive in any case, but for practical reasons, the jury 436 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: wants to hear why they want to make it all 437 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: fit together, Levi Page, was there any motive that we 438 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: could discern? There was no motive Nancy, other than this 439 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: guy was just dark. That's the best way that I 440 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: can describe him. That's the most polite way. I guess 441 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: it would be for the same reason that he killed 442 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: animals and drink their blood. Why. I guess the answer 443 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: to that is why? Ask why to Levi Page, investigative reporter. 444 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm just very curious as to with all of these 445 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: red flags, including being connected to a prior death of 446 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: a blind man, how is a self proclaimed demon worshipper 447 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: Pazuzu Algaret able to get away with all of these 448 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: crimes for so long? And were there tips to police 449 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: about the bodies or anything else. Well, this is what happened, Nancy. 450 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: He was arrested in twenty ten. He was charged with 451 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: accessory after the fact for the shooting death of Joseph Chandler, 452 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: that blind person. He let the killer of that man 453 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: stay in his home where these wild, disgusting parties were 454 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: going on, and he played guilty and was sentenced to probation, 455 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: and he went back to the home. And in twenty 456 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 1: ten his home was actually searched and they discovered this 457 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: huge mess, you know, animal defecation, human defecation. People would 458 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: relieve themselves all over the place. It was trashed, and 459 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: they never found those bodies in the backyard until people 460 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: that partied with him complained to the police and said, 461 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: this guy has bragged about killing people. It smells of 462 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: death in the home. And then police went back and 463 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: then they dug up the bodies of those missing young 464 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: men in their early thirties. But my question is all 465 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: that is accurate, But how did he get away for 466 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: so long with this type of behavior. I think because 467 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: he was so crazy, Nancy, that people didn't take him seriously. 468 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: If that makes sense. There's rantings about killing people. I mean, 469 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: this guy has even while in jail, he has said 470 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: that he killed sex workers, prostitutes, that he's killed more 471 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: people than has been attributed to him that he had 472 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: been charged with. And I think people chalked it up 473 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: to this is just the rantings of a madman and 474 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: did not take it seriously. And then when they did 475 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: come to search the home, they found nothing. Yes, and 476 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: I think that that can be chocked up because they 477 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: didn't do a thorough job of searching the home. How 478 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: do you miss two dead bodies in the backyard. Cadaver 479 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: dogs would have found that. You know what, You're right, 480 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: But at the time twenty ten, did they have reason 481 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: to bring cadaver dogs. I think that if your home 482 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 1: is like this and there's people saying this guy has 483 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: bragged about killing people, his home smells like death, that 484 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: could have been probable cause it a brain well, I agree, 485 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: I agree, But in two ten, I don't know that 486 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: people were saying it smells like death because when were 487 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: the two victims, Joshua Wrestler and Tommy Welch murdered? What date? 488 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: And two thousand and nine is when they went missing. 489 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: They were reported missing in two thousand and nine and 490 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: they were apparently killed inside of his home according to 491 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: his co conspirators. Well, you know what, then you might 492 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: be right that cadaver dogs would have found that, and 493 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: that the stench of death was already there to Karen Stark, 494 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, Karen, why do you 495 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: believe that this guy, a self professed damon pazuzu alcaad 496 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: got away with his crimes for so long? So I 497 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: think that what we're talking about is that the police 498 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: did not do a thorough enough job. Nancy, I don't know. 499 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: Was it that he was so bizarre that they thought 500 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: that it must be a joke. It doesn't It doesn't 501 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. There's something that was missing 502 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: because if other people were smelling death and the police 503 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: show up there, and why didn't they bring the dogs? 504 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: Why didn't they smell that? How come they didn't do 505 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: a thorough enough search? Something went wrong with the justice 506 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: in this case. I'm thinking to you, Ken Malcolm, new 507 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: York criminal defense attorney, about one of the three fiances, 508 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: Amber Birch. She was sentenced to forty years up to 509 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: forty years for shooting Joshua Wetzler. Do you see similarities 510 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: between her case and the Manson murders. I do see similarities. 511 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, this is a young woman who was taken 512 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: in by a characteristic psychopa and influenced arguably to do 513 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: but I've never done otherwise. I couldn't draw a closer 514 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: line to it than that, except for the fact that, 515 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, Manson looked slightly more normal than this guy. Yeah, 516 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, you're right to leave a page. Who do 517 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: they believe actually pulled the trigger? So he is the 518 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: one that pulled the triggers. They were actually inside of 519 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: his home when these murders happened. They were regulars in 520 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: his home. They partied with him, and he is the 521 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: one that shot him. And then his girlfriends actually came 522 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: in after the fact and helped him bury in dispose 523 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: of these bodies. But here's the thing, Nancy. Law enforcement 524 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: has said that these bodies were inside of his home 525 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: for weeks before they actually buried them in the backyard. 526 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: So he was living inside of this house with dead 527 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: bodies in there for weeks. That's how demented that he is. 528 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: You know what, there's actually no telling what he did 529 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: to those bodies. To doctor Kendall Crowns, joining US Pathologist 530 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner Travis County, Texas doctor Crowns would even 531 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: if a body has been decomposing, would you be able 532 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: to determine if, for instance, satanic rituals were done on 533 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: the bodies, or sometimes when you get mutilation of the 534 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: body for rituals or for whatever, you can still tell 535 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: even with decompositions. Occasionally the maggots will come in and 536 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: they'll they'll eat away at the wounds, but you'll still 537 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: be able to tell that it's traumatic in nature. Question 538 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: to you leave my page and mist get a reporter, 539 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: what do authorities believe was the motive behind the killings? 540 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: They actually don't know the motive behind the killings. This 541 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: guy apparently was so demented, Nancy, and was so attracted 542 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: to the dark side. I mean, if you've looked at 543 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: his home, there's trash everywhere. He allowed people to defecate 544 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: in urinae inside the home and made his dogs clean 545 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: it up. This home was in such a mess, Nancy, 546 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: and it had to be demolished. Nobody could live in 547 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: that home after he and his girlfriends were arrested. They 548 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: think that this is just someone that was just absolutely 549 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: demented for no reason at all. He was just attracted 550 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: to the dark side. You know, I'm wondering if he 551 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: believed that in order to truly become a demon he 552 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: had to commit a murderer. Well, you may be if 553 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: not happy, relieved to know that he was so disturbed 554 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: about not being able to perform his blood rituals behind 555 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: bars on the quote dark moon each month he committed suicide. 556 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: He had always promised that he would bite his finger 557 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: to the bone and then puncture and artery. He actually 558 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: did bleed out behind bars, we think from a self 559 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: inflicted wound. Well, Pazuzu Algorod aka John Lawson. I don't 560 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: think you're going to be missed Nancy Gray's crime Stories 561 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: signing off and ps, I think I know where you are. 562 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: You wanted to be a demon, Well, right now you're 563 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: having dinner with demons. Goodbye, friends,