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Speaker 4: So, Trump has accused Kama of being a murderer. Let's listen.
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm outraged, and she let him the
Speaker 5: savage who raped and murdered Rachel Lamar, and Kamala let
Speaker 5: her in letteran she murdered him.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, Kamala.
Speaker 5: Murdered him just like she did, just like she had
Speaker 5: a gun in her hand.
Speaker 1: Look, Trump is just experimenting with going lower and lower
Speaker 1: and lower, and he couldn't figure out anything lower than
Speaker 1: what he usually does, and so he's decided that he's
Speaker 1: going to continue with this explosive rhetoric. Again, we have
Speaker 1: been trying really hard to get people to take down
Speaker 1: the temperature. Donald Trump is doing exactly the opposite of that.
Speaker 6: This is escalating to the point now where, you know,
Speaker 6: in the last twenty four hours, he's accused the Biden
Speaker 6: administration of trying to kill Western North Carolina by not
Speaker 6: providing them AID, and now he's saying that completely. And
Speaker 6: now I'm saying that Kamala Harris has a gun in
Speaker 6: her hand. You know, there's a temptation here to just
Speaker 6: write this off as Trump being Trump and Trump being senile.
Speaker 6: But the other part of this is that Trump wants
Speaker 6: people to associate her with whatever his you know, fantasy
Speaker 6: of the day is, because they will then turned their
Speaker 6: anger toward her. The same people that were lecturing us
Speaker 6: two weeks ago about lowering the rhetoric and easing up
Speaker 6: on the on the on the political rhetoric to prevent
Speaker 6: violence are now saying, Kamala Harris has had the gun
Speaker 6: in her hand and shot this, you know, And it
Speaker 6: just doesn't work for me morally.
Speaker 1: It does seem none of this works morally ready. But
Speaker 1: it does seem as if Trump sees the numbers, he
Speaker 1: sees the trajectory. He sees the poles and now he's
Speaker 1: just trying to grab anything he can in the hopes
Speaker 1: that it will, you know, disrupt this trajectory, this polling trajectory.
Speaker 1: So I do think he is in full break out mode. Also,
Speaker 1: I think it's words remembering that when you listen to him,
Speaker 1: he just sounds much less with it than he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the energy level is through the floor now.
Speaker 1: And he also just his tenses don't match, the prepositions
Speaker 1: don't match. You know, he has trouble getting the gender
Speaker 1: of the character and the story to match. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's really having some structural grammatical problems that I haven't
Speaker 1: seen before.
Speaker 6: Look, Donald Trump has never been a paragon of grammar.
Speaker 6: But I think you're exactly right, Molly. There is an
Speaker 6: increasing obvious diminishment of his ability. This is again, it's
Speaker 6: not the guy from sixteen, and it's certainly there from
Speaker 6: twenty certainly the guy from sixteen. This is a much weaker,
Speaker 6: smaller man than he was, which is why he's trying
Speaker 6: to throw out crazier ideas than ever before.
Speaker 4: One of my sources in Trump earlier the.
Speaker 6: Day said that he's calling her a thug and you know,
Speaker 6: we know what the word means, we get it, and
Speaker 6: he's trying to frame her in that same light right
Speaker 6: now with this thing, it's not going to work except
Speaker 6: for the you know, the craziest of the crazy. But
Speaker 6: you know those crazies are the crazies are also you know,
Speaker 6: a bunch of heavily armed lunatics and that's his.
Speaker 1: Group, right those are his people, the magabase, and I
Speaker 1: think his goal is just to activate as many of
Speaker 1: them as possible, to get those ones and choose out.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: We could talk about this all night, but it's a
Speaker 6: temptation on the part of the Harris campaign obviously to
Speaker 6: try to play defense on this stuff.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't even address it. They shouldn't even talk about it.
Speaker 6: This is a crazy person yelling at the clouds, and
Speaker 6: you know, if they want to say anything, it's like,
Speaker 6: just have her look straight at non I go, hey,
Speaker 6: talk shit.
Speaker 4: Get hit?
Speaker 7: Yeah, don't all right?
Speaker 3: So with that, Trump's really losing it language wise. Could
Speaker 3: this be why he is backed out of doing an
Speaker 3: appearance in sixty Minutes?
Speaker 6: Well, they claimed that he backed out of it because
Speaker 6: Hugo Woll reported that he backed out of it because
Speaker 6: they wanted to do quote unquote live fact checking, which
Speaker 6: is what we call journalism, and they wanted to correct
Speaker 6: him during the interview, and he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: If you find facts offensive, you may be a maga republic.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think, show.
Speaker 4: Me on the dollar, the facts touched you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're if fact checking feels like an assault
Speaker 1: on you, you may be a maga republic. Right, you get
Speaker 1: it because a lot of this stuff is a lie.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: Look, Trump wants to change the trajectory, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about this in a minute, because there's a
Speaker 1: desire within him to try and do different stuff in
Speaker 1: order to change the trajectory. But Trump can only be Trump,
Speaker 1: and Trump twenty twenty four can only be this sort
Speaker 1: of diminished words Trump.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I will also say this, this is part
Speaker 6: of a pattern. Now Trump is chickening out. He's chickened
Speaker 6: out of another debate, He's chicken out of the sixteen
Speaker 6: minutes interview. He's doing fewer and fewer things. Remember when
Speaker 6: he used to sit there and banter with reporters and
Speaker 6: yell at them and abuse them. Yesterday in Valdosta, Georgia,
Speaker 6: when he got called in his bullshit. He basically ran
Speaker 6: away like a scalded dog. I mean, this guy is
Speaker 6: he does not. And I think we're about to see
Speaker 6: a return of the Kelly Ann Conway twenty sixteen strategy
Speaker 6: of wrap Trump up in a cocoon somewhere, bring him
Speaker 6: hot and cold, running hookers or whatever it is that
Speaker 6: distracts him, and hope he shuts up.
Speaker 4: When he's off the camera.
Speaker 6: He does better politically, ironically, but he can't.
Speaker 4: But he can't resist the camera.
Speaker 1: So that's and also she's gotten Harris has gotten so
Speaker 1: in his head that he can't write. Like the smart thing,
Speaker 1: the smart play if you're Trump is to disappear, right,
Speaker 1: make this, have your surrogates out there, not be out
Speaker 1: there yourself because you seem so crazy. But because what
Speaker 1: Harris did in the debate, which she got so in
Speaker 1: his head, now we can't disappear because he feels he
Speaker 1: has to defend himself. And every day that this election
Speaker 1: is a referendum on Donald Trump, that's a day that
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has went it.
Speaker 3: So our last headlight is some very interesting and good news,
Speaker 3: which is that the Cook Political Report has moved Colin
Speaker 3: al Read versus Ted Cruz in the Texas Senate to
Speaker 3: only lean Republican. What are you guys seeing here?
Speaker 7: So I think it's.
Speaker 1: Important to realize that cook is is very serious.
Speaker 7: It takes a lot to move them. Do you agree
Speaker 7: with that?
Speaker 4: Look? Yeah, I think that's right. I think I think
Speaker 4: that's that's broadly correct.
Speaker 6: Texas is going to be a much closer state than
Speaker 6: people think.
Speaker 4: And I've said this on Blue in the Face.
Speaker 6: And you turn out African Americans in the Houston metro
Speaker 6: area and Harris County, you're going to be in a
Speaker 6: much different position than you'd be in a generic race.
Speaker 6: I think already has been a better can better or
Speaker 6: work in terms of connecting with African American voters obviously
Speaker 6: and with Texas voters more broadly, because of his athletic background,
Speaker 6: I love better, but Colin comes across as less academic,
Speaker 6: less lofty, more.
Speaker 1: Also doesn't want to take away your guns.
Speaker 7: I mean, guns are a big.
Speaker 4: Issue into guns are big issue in Texas.
Speaker 1: When Betto started talking about that, I think he alienated
Speaker 1: some voters. I mean, it's no accident that Harris said
Speaker 1: she had a gun, right, right, That's not an accident
Speaker 1: that was by design because voters. That's an anxiety for
Speaker 1: a lot of American voters. My god, why that's an anxiety?
Speaker 7: God help me.
Speaker 1: We all need there. This is an entire country that
Speaker 1: needs therapy.
Speaker 4: But maybe.
Speaker 7: I guess like personalizing this, but.
Speaker 1: I love you mean it, But the gun thing is real.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in Texas. Ted Cruise is wildly unlikable.
Speaker 1: And if there's ever a really good Senate candidate who
Speaker 1: could be politically beaten at the back a box in
Speaker 1: a very red state, it would be Ted Cruse.
Speaker 5: Do you agree?
Speaker 4: I agree?
Speaker 6: And look, Ted Cruz is he is a guy who
Speaker 6: who has kind of checked out of the job a
Speaker 6: long time ago. He pays more attention to his podcast
Speaker 6: and his travel.
Speaker 7: Plans drops three times a week.
Speaker 6: Guy, he's like the Steve Bannon of Charlie Kirks. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's recording all these But look, Cruz is a guy
Speaker 6: who is deeply unpopular in the Senate. His own colleagues
Speaker 6: ad him. He has no friends, no allies. He's never
Speaker 6: going to get anything done. Whether it's Mitch McConnell or
Speaker 6: Chuck Schumer running the Senate. Ted Cruz is a non
Speaker 6: entity at this point, he's a troll, and I think
Speaker 6: there's a point where he sort of ran out of
Speaker 6: juice to you even amuse himself with this ridiculous any character.
Speaker 1: He's important that he's still predicted to win, but there's
Speaker 1: an opening there, there's some daylight, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what's important to note.
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Speaker 8: First off, JD.
Speaker 6: Vance talks like an auctioneer, meth out of his mind,
Speaker 6: that a catalytic converter auction I mean he really, he really.
Speaker 6: Vance has been very much trying to do two things tonight.
Speaker 6: He's been trying to hit this one mark of pleasing
Speaker 6: Trump over and over again.
Speaker 8: Donald Trump is the God.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump did this on all of that comes down
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I think to something
Speaker 6: that's a little weaker than he thinks. I would say
Speaker 6: Walls had a slower start, especially because and I think
Speaker 6: part of it was he was looking at Vance like
Speaker 6: you know that that that super high speed Vance trying
Speaker 6: to get his story out, not not hey there you
Speaker 6: are not comfortable.
Speaker 5: We occasionally leave sometimes.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think look, Vance is infuriating because he lies so effectively,
Speaker 1: and so question.
Speaker 6: I wrote an article about it today, like you can
Speaker 6: expect Jadie Vance to come out tonight with a torrent
Speaker 6: a river of.
Speaker 7: Bulshit cue and it's Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think the question is when you
Speaker 1: watch that, who do you like better?
Speaker 8: Look?
Speaker 6: I think I think that question is very relevant. I
Speaker 6: also think that his answer is at the very end here.
Speaker 9: Jessie from Walls on abortion and on women are much
Speaker 9: stronger than Jade Vance trying to weave his way through
Speaker 9: and fake out and answer.
Speaker 4: Like I just cared about the babies.
Speaker 7: But it is pretty funny that JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is still getting fact checked even though they're not
Speaker 1: doing fact checking, Like how.
Speaker 7: Much lie don't have to do that?
Speaker 1: They decide that they're not going to do fact checking,
Speaker 1: but they are going to do fact checking.
Speaker 6: And Stephen Chung was pissy that Trump pulled out of
Speaker 6: the sixty minutes thing because he said they said they
Speaker 6: would be doing fact checking on the story. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. Did you did you think Donald just
Speaker 6: got to go in there and say, all right, Andrea,
Speaker 6: sit down, I'm gonna just talk for an hour.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what Donald Trump wants to do, and that's
Speaker 1: what Sean Hannity lets Donald Trump do, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why he does all those interviews.
Speaker 4: There actually was a.
Speaker 6: Sean Hannity show one night in twenty sixteen where he
Speaker 6: had Trump on and Sean Hannity said thirty five words
Speaker 6: in the entire hour.
Speaker 8: I had a guy figure that out. From the time.
Speaker 8: I was like, that's amazing. It's like, mister President, tell
Speaker 8: us why you're wonderful.
Speaker 6: But I look, I do think, I do think what
Speaker 6: you're seeing tonight is that Vance is very much trying
Speaker 6: to like feed the MAGA media machine open border, open
Speaker 6: border borders. Our borders are open border, open border, open border.
Speaker 6: That sort of stuff is the thing that that he's
Speaker 6: trying to give Fox as many YouTube clips as they
Speaker 6: can get. Yeah, that's that's what he's really approaching the set.
Speaker 1: I thought Vance, Look, he got out there, he looked
Speaker 1: nervous Waltz when he got out there.
Speaker 7: He looked a little bit nervous, and all of us
Speaker 7: took a deep.
Speaker 1: Breath, and I thought, our guy looks a little nervous,
Speaker 1: and perhaps a little bit of bronzer would not be
Speaker 1: the worst thing. You'll remember, bronzer has been, has has
Speaker 1: appeared many times during this.
Speaker 6: It has indeed, and I will say, you know, Tim
Speaker 6: Walls is about as white as a bag of marshmallows, right.
Speaker 1: But he got his sea legs pretty quickly. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that answer on abortion, I thought was really excellent.
Speaker 6: And I guys, honestly, no one's changing their mind based
Speaker 6: on jd Vance going out there and rattling off seven
Speaker 6: hundred words in mighty four seconds.
Speaker 8: It's not it's just not. It's not going to change
Speaker 8: the game.
Speaker 6: The only, the only, in my lifetime, the only like
Speaker 6: real drama in presidential debates was when Lloyd Benson cleaned
Speaker 6: Dan Quail's clock.
Speaker 8: And and yet George H. W.
Speaker 6: Bush went on to win four hundred electoral college bo
Speaker 6: stop gloading.
Speaker 7: We still love him.
Speaker 6: And I love you too, but but but you know,
Speaker 6: you also saw like during the okay, here.
Speaker 1: Were welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate.
Speaker 5: We want to turn it lence epidemic.
Speaker 3: All right, we're going to give you guys as much
Speaker 3: time with them as possible, So we're gonna just turn
Speaker 3: down the closing remarks because we.
Speaker 8: Know that's gonna be bullshit. We know what they're going
Speaker 8: to say.
Speaker 1: We did it, Mama Harris, open border, open border, openes.
Speaker 6: We did and I this is a weird experiment tonight,
Speaker 6: but thank you.
Speaker 8: All for hanging in.
Speaker 10: We promise appreciate you coming out tonight.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 7: We promised never to subject you to that much.
Speaker 8: Again.
Speaker 6: The giant down in this thing from Maga World on Twitter.
Speaker 10: Was how dare they in fact chuck jd Vance?
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question about Jady Vance.
Speaker 1: I was watching that debate and I thought that Walls
Speaker 1: did pretty well and Jady Vance is a lying psychopath.
Speaker 7: Now, yeah, I just want to ask you.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people like, you know, the
Speaker 1: sort of really terrible two sides, the pundits like Crystaliza.
Speaker 7: Oh god, yeah, who.
Speaker 1: Said while Vance is doing an amazing job tonight, He's
Speaker 1: coming out, he's saying the lies very quickly. They're very catchy.
Speaker 1: Isn't the job here to be likable?
Speaker 8: Lord? Or no likability matters.
Speaker 6: But but look, Vance came out with that rattle trap
Speaker 6: high speed coped up first answer, and I knew the
Speaker 6: guy had been hyper prepared for the debate. Walls came
Speaker 6: out trying to be the agreeable, vuncular guy that he.
Speaker 7: Is, which he was, and he was.
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of the we agree on this,
Speaker 6: We agree on that. Vance didn't want to go into
Speaker 6: that mode, but Walls dragged him to it. Oh look,
Speaker 6: I think Vance was playing for an audience of two,
Speaker 6: the national media, so they would.
Speaker 8: Say how smart and prepared he was and for Donald Trump,
Speaker 8: right and so.
Speaker 1: But Vance, everything was punctuated by Kamala Harris's open border.
Speaker 8: Right. It's like, it's like Kamala Harris's policy on healthcare. Motherfucker.
Speaker 8: The congressional side of this is completely missing in JD.
Speaker 8: Vance's head.
Speaker 6: I'm like, dude, stop saying that Kamala Harris can change
Speaker 6: housing regulations right, right?
Speaker 7: But also JD.
Speaker 1: Vance, Donald Trump tried to repeal Obamacare twic but twice
Speaker 1: so and and.
Speaker 6: By the way, and by the way, the greatest memorial
Speaker 6: John McCain could have left for himself was that moment
Speaker 6: on the Florido. He went, yeah, that was his last
Speaker 6: fuck you. And believe me, I know John John John
Speaker 6: had borne to you fuck using him. Yeah, but that
Speaker 6: was a moment where you know they're going to try
Speaker 6: to retroactively rewrite the whole history of Trump.
Speaker 8: It's a jade.
Speaker 6: Vancis are like Donald Trump's sensitive caring policies towards women
Speaker 6: and and and he really thought to save Obamacare.
Speaker 1: But Rick, my question for you is this, dude, does
Speaker 1: this move the needle?
Speaker 7: Does smatter at all?
Speaker 8: Once again?
Speaker 6: Vice presidential debates have never statistically moved the vote. Now
Speaker 6: you're gonna see Maga on social media trying to turn
Speaker 6: this into a giant win tonight because their lives have
Speaker 6: been so shitty for the last eight weeks. They've gotten
Speaker 6: their asses kicked every day by trained professionals. They really
Speaker 6: hate where they're at right now. So you're gonna see
Speaker 6: them try to make this into like this is the
Speaker 6: one debate that will change everything.
Speaker 1: But did But But do you think Walls lost this
Speaker 1: debate because I'm not convinced he did.
Speaker 8: I don't think he lost the debate.
Speaker 6: I think one of the things Vance did tonight that
Speaker 6: was targeting the press is to code switch really quickly.
Speaker 6: You know, he goes from being Tucker Carlson techbro asshole
Speaker 6: on podcasts like of course women should be subservient to
Speaker 6: their lords and masters to this tonight, we just care
Speaker 6: about women and the babies. His code switching is brilliant
Speaker 6: and rapid. I thought he came across his fake and overprepared.
Speaker 6: I think Walls had a one answer that cannot be forgiven. Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you this. As a debate coach, I
Speaker 6: would go take him off stage and beat the fuck
Speaker 6: out of him. That Teman square answer was agonizing. He
Speaker 6: should have said, you know what, I fucked up. I
Speaker 6: was bullshitting around somebody and I got the date strong. Sorry,
Speaker 6: that's it, That's all you have to do.
Speaker 8: But he had to.
Speaker 6: Give an answer that lasted for like forty minutes. I
Speaker 6: was like, stop, stop, it's dead, Jim.
Speaker 8: So no, Look, Walls didn't.
Speaker 7: Lose this, but but he didn't win.
Speaker 8: But neither did he win it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Look, in the very first debate, Joe Biden lost the debate.
Speaker 7: Yeah all lost Donald Trump debate.
Speaker 8: Not win that debate.
Speaker 7: That was the worst.
Speaker 1: That debate was one of the worst moments of all
Speaker 1: of our lives.
Speaker 7: Let's be honest here, I've made Oh yeah, and if I.
Speaker 8: If I may, if I may do a southernism.
Speaker 6: I called Stuart and I were on the phone after
Speaker 6: the debate the first debate, and I'm like, man, my
Speaker 6: dick is in the dirt.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 8: He's like, that is a southernism. But no. But so
Speaker 8: look that first debate Biden lost him. Trump did not win.
Speaker 6: If you read Trump's transcript from the first debate, he
Speaker 6: sounds like a lunatic. Yeah, Harris clearly decisively won the
Speaker 6: president's debate. Donald Trump will not debate her again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe, I think you could still do.
Speaker 6: I think the Republican joke on Twitter, it's like that
Speaker 6: should debate Harris.
Speaker 8: Yeah, advancure debate. Hairs like, okay, give it a rest, pal.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So look, I think Walls gave good answers. I think
Speaker 6: he gave some answers that neutralized some of the Republican
Speaker 6: attack factories.
Speaker 8: The gun answer was very well crafted and very well delivered.
Speaker 7: And the January sixth stuff, and the January I.
Speaker 8: Think Vance shipped the bed in the last act of
Speaker 8: the play.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, if I may mix my metaphors a bit, yes,
Speaker 6: but I don't think he ended well on it. And look,
Speaker 6: the other thing you wanted that Advance was really trying
Speaker 6: to get to all night night. He finally got to
Speaker 6: it at the end, was.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm endorsed by Robert F.
Speaker 6: Kennedy and Tulsa Gabbert, which is just bait for the
Speaker 6: Tucker crowd, right, you know.
Speaker 7: Well, also, I mean, okay, that's good.
Speaker 8: That in four sixty five? Int you a small latte Starbucks?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I right, exactly On Alex Jones, I mean I just
Speaker 1: am not convinced that that does anything for him.
Speaker 8: No, look I don't.
Speaker 6: And again, no vice president's debate has ever moved the
Speaker 6: This is interesting, it's amusing, but the reaction to it
Speaker 6: on the right of taking a let's even call it
Speaker 6: a qualified win and trying to turn it into this
Speaker 6: earth shaking political moment just shows you.
Speaker 8: How desperate they are on the broader campaign.
Speaker 1: And I also think it's worth just pulling back and
Speaker 1: wondering if Vance.
Speaker 7: Is so unlikable. He was not more likable tonight, No,
Speaker 7: he was.
Speaker 6: Look again, the code switch tonight is not a believable change, right,
Speaker 6: he was very fast and Edgy in his answers, he
Speaker 6: was super prepared. Right, Yeah, Yale Law School. Hey, they're
Speaker 6: going to kick us out of here at eleven o'clock. Yes,
Speaker 6: so what we're gonna do?
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Speaker 1: the PBS series and then we'll talk about all the
Speaker 1: other stuff.
Speaker 5: Sure. So, now, the PBS show is a passion project
Speaker 5: of mind, a life's mission to get Latin facts out
Speaker 5: to the public, especially for my Latino community, but for everybody,
Speaker 5: for the black community, white community, Asian community, l GTBQ
Speaker 5: plus to understand what Latin people have brought to America
Speaker 5: to the world, our contributions to the modern world. That
Speaker 5: would not exist without our contributions. The modern world could
Speaker 5: not exist without Latin people's contributions. First of all, Latin
Speaker 5: cuisine is the mother cuisine of all cuisines. Without our
Speaker 5: tomato sauce. There is no Italian food without our chilies
Speaker 5: and hot sauce. There is no barbecue, there's no Indian food,
Speaker 5: there's no Thai food without our vanilla and chocolate. There's
Speaker 5: no French pastries without our potato. The Industrial Revolution would
Speaker 5: have never happened because our potato helped the whole Europe
Speaker 5: expand its population so it can maintain the Industrial Revolution
Speaker 5: and saved Ireland and so many of the countries as well,
Speaker 5: because you know, and then you know vodka and pirole geese,
Speaker 5: all that French fries came from that. And then our
Speaker 5: corn is the modern world. Nothing in no country functions
Speaker 5: without our corn. It feeds livestock, it's used for corn syrup,
Speaker 5: which is produced in every product that you're eating, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: and you know, for some of it, but that's just
Speaker 5: the food part of it. And then Hopkins University did
Speaker 5: a study with unitos Us and found that eighty seven percent,
Speaker 5: and of Latino contributions to the making of the world
Speaker 5: in the US are not in the history textbooks. So
Speaker 5: that's what this PBS show is about. Talking about our
Speaker 5: empires in the first episode and the incredible, I mean,
Speaker 5: they were bigger than the European empires and in some
Speaker 5: ways much more advanced. We had brain surgery, the Incas
Speaker 5: that brain surgery that was fifty times more successful than
Speaker 5: even in the Civil War. They had binary code, they
Speaker 5: had they invented the suspension bridge. The Mayans tracked Venus
Speaker 5: more specific and precise than the other culture. The inventtion
Speaker 5: of the zero happened as well for the Mayans. And
Speaker 5: then we talk about the second episode is from the
Speaker 5: conquest to the nineteen hundreds, and then it's like all
Speaker 5: our contributions into making of America and our oppression because
Speaker 5: you know, you think of Latin people and you go,
Speaker 5: if you've been here forever and you've been in the
Speaker 5: US contributing, why are and B further ahead? But then
Speaker 5: you have to go look back and see that we
Speaker 5: were lynched, not as much as our black brothers and sisters,
Speaker 5: but six thousand us when Lynch burned alive and shot.
Speaker 5: We were massacred, We were segregated, we were experimented on.
Speaker 5: Our women were sterilized against their knowledge. The first case
Speaker 5: against segregation was the Latino family, that Mayesta's family nineteen
Speaker 5: eleven in Denver, Colorado. The first boy lynch in America
Speaker 5: was a Latino boy, an Tonio Gomez, in nineteen fourteen,
Speaker 5: for disrespecting a white man. The first woman lynch in
Speaker 5: America was a Latina, a young woman during the gold Rush,
Speaker 5: because she shot the white miner that was raping her,
Speaker 5: and because she wouldn't show remorse, they hunger. So we
Speaker 5: come from all this incredible oppression, and yet this year
Speaker 5: we hit an inflection point because we are at three
Speaker 5: point six trillion dollars that we add to the GDP.
Speaker 1: Wow. And you got inspired when you were working on
Speaker 1: Latino history for morons.
Speaker 5: I mean it had started a little bit before, but
Speaker 5: Latino history for morons. What happened to my son and
Speaker 5: that he wasn't being taught any Latin history, you know,
Speaker 5: was the genesis of it all. Because I found it
Speaker 5: kind of absurd, and especially when I started doing the
Speaker 5: research then I found it really aggressive and I started
Speaker 5: to realize that the reason our history is missing, it's
Speaker 5: not a casual thing or a happenstance. It's a purposeful thing.
Speaker 5: Because if Latin people were the largest ethnic group in America,
Speaker 5: knew their power and understood and everybody else understood their contributions,
Speaker 5: you couldn't, you know, erase them from voter rolls. You
Speaker 5: couldn't exact pull taxes on them. You couldn't do all
Speaker 5: the things steal our land wealth, not put money to
Speaker 5: our public schools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a really good point. Will you explain
Speaker 1: to us sort of what you've been doing with your
Speaker 1: activism and outreach to Latino communities with this election coming up?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, because I'm working on two activists, I mean
Speaker 5: politically on one side, and then entertainment and employment because
Speaker 5: they go cut hand in hand.
Speaker 1: Explain to us first the political stuff and then the
Speaker 1: employment stuff.
Speaker 5: So, you know, trying to tell Democrats mostly, but Republicans
Speaker 5: have heard because they listen in to find out our
Speaker 5: secrets and that the Latino vote is the largest voting
Speaker 5: block and we're going to help decide who the president
Speaker 5: is because we have about thirty six million registered voters
Speaker 5: and you have to have Latin consultants. You have to
Speaker 5: have Latin experts. You have to have people in the
Speaker 5: field who know what we need to be talked to,
Speaker 5: what we care about, how to reach us. And you
Speaker 5: have to do the work. You have to knock on
Speaker 5: our doors, you have to call, you have to come
Speaker 5: into our communities. But once you have us, you have us.
Speaker 5: Were very loyal.
Speaker 1: What is the message, what is the need?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the biggest thing for us Latin people
Speaker 5: above anything else is jobs. That's all we really care
Speaker 5: about is jobs and housing. Latin women are the number
Speaker 5: one small startup businesses in America. I think last year
Speaker 5: the we'red eighty six percent. I'm not sure what they're
Speaker 5: at this year. But they're also the lowest paid woman
Speaker 5: in the American economy. And then the problem with the
Speaker 5: small businesses that we have is that we're less than
Speaker 5: one percent of venture capitalism comes to us. We're aware
Speaker 5: of those issues, you know, intuitively, and that's what they
Speaker 5: need to tell And Kamala did it in the debate.
Speaker 5: She knew she's been talking to people because she talked
Speaker 5: about a house day and jobs and helping small businesses
Speaker 5: and you know, for giving, you know, all that. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like people in the Latino community are
Speaker 1: more connected with her? I mean, are you seeing that
Speaker 1: or does she need to still do more?
Speaker 5: She still needs to do more, but no, she's hitting home.
Speaker 5: You know, she's energized the Democratic base and that means
Speaker 5: us Latinos. I know, all the latin activists that I'm
Speaker 5: talking about in everybody who's grassroots organizing for Latinos are
Speaker 5: jacked up by her, are pumped up. She definitely is
Speaker 5: doing but she needs to do more because you know,
Speaker 5: we're not a monolith. And you know there are the
Speaker 5: very religious Latinos who are very conservative and they need
Speaker 5: a few other things to be talked about. And then
Speaker 5: there are the Latinos who have political issues that are
Speaker 5: not in line with Democrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, can you talk to us about the other
Speaker 1: part of your activism?
Speaker 5: Well, the other part of my activism is employment. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and that we are so invisible and just not getting
Speaker 5: the promotions we deserve. We're not executives, We're not at
Speaker 5: the seats so the decisions are being made. We're about
Speaker 5: zero point one percent of the executives in Hollywood. But
Speaker 5: that goes everywhere. Hollywood's where I can see it, and
Speaker 5: I know it because I experienced it. But would I
Speaker 5: talk to other Latin people who are executives everywhere else.
Speaker 5: They're experiencing the same thing in banking, tech corporations and
Speaker 5: you net medicine anywhere. They're telling me they're good enough
Speaker 5: to train others to be promoted above them, but they're
Speaker 5: not good enough to be promoted. And that's been my
Speaker 5: whole life in the entertainment industry. I'm talented enough, but
Speaker 5: not tell enough to have the leads because they're not
Speaker 5: writing Latin leads and they're not willing to change white
Speaker 5: leads enough to put Latin people in those lead roles.
Speaker 5: You know, we're twenty percent of the US population, but
Speaker 5: less than six percent of leading roles and less than
Speaker 5: one percent of the stories being told, less than than
Speaker 5: I told you of the executives. And that's not okay.
Speaker 5: It's not okay When we're thirty percent of the US
Speaker 5: box office a third of subscribers on streaming. We deserve
Speaker 5: a lot more. And it's not like we just got here, Molly.
Speaker 5: We've been here forever. When the founding fathers of Hollywood
Speaker 5: got to Hollywood in the early nineteen hundreds. It had
Speaker 5: just been Mexico sixty years prior, and they came into
Speaker 5: a city that was predominantly Latino, and yet we weren't
Speaker 5: put in any films. You weren't put anywhere. It was
Speaker 5: like an apartheid state, because I mean that they didn't
Speaker 5: create the Holomifi, but they walked into it. Because you know,
Speaker 5: thousands of us have been just launched. Our land wealth
Speaker 5: was stolen from us, our politic hour was taken away
Speaker 5: from us. We were segregated in the worst schools, redlined.
Speaker 5: So they walked into this very docile community and they
Speaker 5: didn't care. And then all of a sudden, D W.
Speaker 5: Gri does a Birth of a Nation, the biggest film
Speaker 5: of the sound era, and where the villains of it.
Speaker 5: We're not in any film in that whole era, but
Speaker 5: we can be the villains of the biggest film right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, it's such a nightmare Latinos. They happened
Speaker 1: to be in the most important swing states, large populations, Nevada, Arizona.
Speaker 5: Huge the population.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, when I went to Arizona a
Speaker 1: while back, I talked to young activists. Sheriff Joe had
Speaker 1: made them activists. They had seen these terrible anti immigrant
Speaker 1: laws at the state level and acted. They had seen
Speaker 1: you know, just real almost Jim Crowish law, people being
Speaker 1: deported and jailed, et cetera. And you know these huge
Speaker 1: prison camps, I mean, just really bleak. And it radicalized
Speaker 1: them in a good way. I mean, it made them activists.
Speaker 1: It made them care about what happened to their community.
Speaker 1: And those kids are like middle aged now or yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean do you see that? Have you seen that
Speaker 1: in other places? And what do you think about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, No, Mary, that's a great point. I mean,
Speaker 5: you you're so hit because I went to Arizona just
Speaker 5: this summer and I met with all these activists Chicanos
Speaker 5: por La Causa, met Ruby and Gayega. So there's so
Speaker 5: many great organizations, grassroots Latin organizations that gave us Arizona
Speaker 5: for Biden. They alone did it without nobody donated to them.
Speaker 5: They did it out of their own pockets. And that's
Speaker 5: what I'm telling also politically to democrats is you've got
Speaker 5: to fund these organizations. They're doing your work for you.
Speaker 5: Then they're already organized. Give them the money they need.
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to do that with my friend Brian Sergutz,
Speaker 5: who's a brilliant, brilliant techie, and he's trying to come
Speaker 5: up with He came up with this incredible app called
Speaker 5: empathy and in its way of donating to all these
Speaker 5: causes into and then to all these organizations, and and
Speaker 5: he's focusing this month on Latino organizations like kind of
Speaker 5: Lakausa Bota Latino, Maria Tersca, yeah, you know you know
Speaker 5: her well, how she's amazing, and Monica Ramirez who deals
Speaker 5: with immigrant women and all other causes, you know, And
Speaker 5: then and then they should fund all these Latin politicians
Speaker 5: that are out there that can be spreading the word,
Speaker 5: like Ruben g Diego went this. There's countless others I'm
Speaker 5: blanking on right now.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because Ruben has you know, I've
Speaker 1: known him for a while, We've interviewed him a ton
Speaker 1: of times. I always thought he was a really, really
Speaker 1: compelling speaker with a really amazing story. But he is,
Speaker 1: I mean so far, and again the election hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 1: but in the polling he is just wiping the floor
Speaker 1: with carry Oh my god, I know that humongous leads.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, nobody knows anything and everyone
Speaker 1: must vote and do the work.
Speaker 5: But right, Nate Silver taught us that, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: But it is like he has a very compelling message,
Speaker 1: and it seems like he's very connected to voters, and
Speaker 1: he's raised a gazillion dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I give him every chance I get,
Speaker 5: and I tell all my friends and I send them
Speaker 5: the sites to send money to to puent this, to
Speaker 5: go diego to all the other Latin candidates out there,
Speaker 5: because they are doing this saving of democracy that we
Speaker 5: all need and want. Ruben, You're right, he's brilliant man.
Speaker 5: He's a great speaker, he's charismatic, he's a veteran, and
Speaker 5: he's haf Colombian. So I love that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you want those voters, you need
Speaker 1: to run those people, right, Yes, you know, you need
Speaker 1: to connect with them. And I think that that's the
Speaker 1: exciting thing about Harris, right, is that she looks like
Speaker 1: the base of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 5: Yes she doesn't. She's you know, she's a brilliant speaker.
Speaker 5: She's smart, she's sharp, she's strong, she's a strong woman.
Speaker 5: You know, I think we can all get behind a
Speaker 5: strong woman. I think Americans and men finally are realizing
Speaker 5: that a strong woman is an incredible woman and it's
Speaker 5: great to be with them and be near them.
Speaker 1: One of the issues with this election is that she's
Speaker 1: doing very or at least the pollings that she's doing
Speaker 1: very well with women. She's got to sort of pick
Speaker 1: up the numbers when it comes to men.
Speaker 7: There is a certain level of sexism.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, So talk to me about that, I mean,
Speaker 1: and sort of what you think could be useful there in.
Speaker 5: The debate, she really showed that she was president and
Speaker 5: that she was tough. Because women have the difficult task
Speaker 5: of that, they have to be charming as well and
Speaker 5: likable as they're being tough, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Men don't have to do that. It can be like Trump.
Speaker 5: It could be just a jerk and an asshole, and
Speaker 5: that's great, you know what I mean. But women aren't
Speaker 5: allowed to be that. So I think she wrote that
Speaker 5: line beautifully. You know, She's got to keep working on
Speaker 5: showing us that she can handle foreign policy and handle
Speaker 5: the wars. America's kind of hawkish now, not the young people,
Speaker 5: the older people are kind of hawkish. I mean, Trump
Speaker 5: has fomented so much talk of civil war and violence
Speaker 5: that you have to be a stronger leader than ever.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not just about peace. We want to
Speaker 5: hear that, but you also have to show that if
Speaker 5: she hits the fan, that you can fucking put your
Speaker 5: dukes up and defend us.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think though about this sort
Speaker 1: of like Trump says he's made in roads with Latino men.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't really know what it will look
Speaker 1: like until the election, but the narrative in the mainstream media,
Speaker 1: and again there's nothing to back us up but pols,
Speaker 1: so we don't really know. But the narrative is that,
Speaker 1: you know, he's very macho and that that may be
Speaker 1: appealing to some Latino.
Speaker 5: Men and women, and some Latino women like that strong
Speaker 5: man thing as well. Yes, I think it does appeal
Speaker 5: to some Latin men, the machismo thing, you know, so
Speaker 5: it's definitely an old school Latin thing that comes from
Speaker 5: colonialism and all that nonsense. People do like that, that
Speaker 5: strong man thing, But I don't know if that's enough
Speaker 5: to win him. I mean, what won him in those
Speaker 5: those Latino men that are going from was when he
Speaker 5: signed those checks those checks that had his name fooled
Speaker 5: so many people, and they think, they still believe that
Speaker 5: if he's president, they're going to get more of those
Speaker 5: checks signed by And I wish Biden had signed his
Speaker 5: checks because then we'd have those Latino.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting when you say that, and so important
Speaker 1: to just talk this all through. I think the work
Speaker 1: you're doing as an activist is so amazing, And just
Speaker 1: are you ever really disappointed that more celebrities and more
Speaker 1: actors don't do that.
Speaker 5: I used to be very disappointed by it, but then
Speaker 5: I understand it's a risk. Entertainers need to be like
Speaker 5: a blank canvas a little bit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: The people can imprint whatever they want on you. But
Speaker 5: I'm an artist. I'm not an entertainer. That's where the
Speaker 5: difference is. Artists stick their neck out and we fight
Speaker 5: for things, I mean, trying to change society. I'm not
Speaker 5: an entertainer. I mean, I'm glad when I can't entertain
Speaker 5: through my art, but that's not my sole purpose. My
Speaker 5: sole purpose is to change society at large and to
Speaker 5: elevate people and to bring us all together through empathy.
Speaker 1: I really really appreciate you.
Speaker 7: Thank you, so much for coming on.
Speaker 5: Oh Molly, thank you for giving me the space.
Speaker 10: You're the best, No moment perfectly all right, we are
Speaker 10: back with a Moment of Fuckery live from the backstage
Speaker 10: of the Philadelphia City Winery with Rick Wilson mind John Fast.
Speaker 3: I want you guys to react to Kelly and Conway
Speaker 3: is pushing Donald Trump to man up and debate Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris again.
Speaker 7: Well, let Rick start.
Speaker 3: You don't want to react to friend of the Show
Speaker 3: Kelly had Codways saying something value.
Speaker 7: Nope, go.
Speaker 6: Look, Kelly Anne is desperately trying to get back into
Speaker 6: Trump's good graces and the world of Trump and Trump
Speaker 6: is because Chris los Avida and Susie Wilds actually know
Speaker 6: what polling is and that's not what Kelly Anne does.
Speaker 1: And they don't like her polling.
Speaker 6: They don't like her in general. And I think Corey
Speaker 6: coming back in did not did not help her. Omm
Speaker 6: I'm really going to get in trouble, aren't.
Speaker 1: They, because Cory doesn't like her, right.
Speaker 4: He did once upon time.
Speaker 6: But you know, she's got one of these things where
Speaker 6: she's not really giving Trump real advice.
Speaker 4: She's hoping to be ahead of the curve.
Speaker 6: When his ego drives him into changing his mind and
Speaker 6: debating her again.
Speaker 1: But also he wants to do.
Speaker 6: It, and everybody else on the staff is like, please,
Speaker 6: for the love of Jesus, please don't do this, because
Speaker 6: I mean, think we all understand this. If he walks
Speaker 6: onto that debate stage with Vice President Harris again and
Speaker 6: she cuts his head off again and kicks it around
Speaker 6: like a soccer ball, not only is the election over,
Speaker 6: the Republican Party is going to get blown the fuck
Speaker 6: out in a lot of places it shouldn't.
Speaker 1: He's going to get Mark Robinson Levell new to Africa, poland.
Speaker 4: Pretty much yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, as if Donald Trump walked in the stage
Speaker 6: and said, you know, on my online chat room on
Speaker 6: my important site, and I frequent I call myself baby Hitler.
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