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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore. So,

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Speaker 1: what's the nearest town to where we're at? Where would

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Speaker 1: you go to buy groceries for your house?

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Speaker 2: Mike, Rolling Fork, Rolling Fork, Rolling Fork, Mississippi where the

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Speaker 2: tornado hit.

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Speaker 1: We are near Rolling Fort, Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Yew about twenty eighty two miles.

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Speaker 1: And well, Rolling Fork, Mississippi is where that huge tornado

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Speaker 1: came through.

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: And you guys were you were there on the scene,

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Speaker 1: Am I right?

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Speaker 4: I hope everybody was. Yeah, I mean the whole town. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: when Spring was there helping in the spring. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think March.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, back in March, that terrible tornado. We're in Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: We it's dark outside right now, but we're within sight

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Speaker 1: of the Mississippi River. I've got to my right, Lake

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Speaker 1: Pickle Houdy, good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Lake.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, to your right, Jordan bliss It. Hello, you guys

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Speaker 1: are old regulars on the Bargeries podcast. Though Oh yeah, second,

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Speaker 1: they're sitting here just like, oh man, this is just

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Speaker 1: another day in the park, doesn't here.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you this, the last time Jordan and I

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Speaker 5: were on the Render, i'd gotten used to unusual guests

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Speaker 5: being on the render, and then the OG crew roasting

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Speaker 5: them the next week, and they never said anything about us. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they never said nothing about me and Jordan's that.

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Speaker 1: Kind of stopped the the OG group kind of chilled

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think, Well, I was worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. To Jordan's right, the guest of honor in my mind,

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Speaker 1: Mike Amden pleasure man. Mike, I got some specific questions

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Speaker 1: for you about the Mississippi River, I hope, yeah, Man.

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Speaker 1: To to Mike's right, Brent Reeves, It's good to have

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Speaker 1: you back. Brent prince regular except when he's not, when

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Speaker 1: he does whatever he does. And then to Brent's right

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Speaker 1: is Drew steckline Man. So Drew is uh your videographer, photographer,

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Speaker 1: former professional skier. Right on, would you guess that he

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Speaker 1: has two L shaped plates on both cheeks of his face?

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Speaker 5: I mean I'd wondered why he looked like that, But no, no.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought he was pretty well put together. No,

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Speaker 1: his face broke up.

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Speaker 6: Did your face hit or tree or something?

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 7: I have my uh knee and a skiing accident and

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Speaker 7: then the other one had collided in somebody else's foot.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no snow involved.

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Speaker 2: No snow.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: It's been good to get to meet Drew. And then, uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess the the seventh guest of honor is Brent's

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Speaker 1: big buck that he killed just today. We've got the

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Speaker 1: rack of How about the beautiful zippy delta?

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Speaker 3: That rack of horns you're that you're holding right now.

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Speaker 3: Slept in the woods last night? Yeah, clean up, that

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Speaker 3: looks good.

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Speaker 6: Nice sleeping in the house.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, we've got man, do we have a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about? We so the this latest episode of

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Speaker 1: the Bargers podcast, the Donnie Baker Story Nightmare. This was

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Speaker 1: a super unique podcast for me to put together. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about it in a little bit, but uh,

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Speaker 1: but first, man, I'm always torn on whether we should

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Speaker 1: talk about what we've been doing. We've been, uh, we've

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Speaker 1: been we've been hunting down here in Mississippi. It's January

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Speaker 1: the January the ninth. Today we've been deer hunting, duck hunting.

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Speaker 1: Brent's been doing a little hog hunting.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And uh, Brent and I rode two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: project that you'll see at some point this year on

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater that's gonna be gonna be really cool. But uh, Mike,

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Speaker 1: Twelve years? Twelve years, last twelve years. But man, you're uh,

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Speaker 1: you're a river rat, Mike. I knew that when I

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Speaker 1: But you loved catfish.

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Speaker 4: You and your wife, Oh yeah, yeah all the time.

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Speaker 4: She fishes all the time. I fish part of time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I wish we could have put some lines

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Speaker 4: But we can catch them here in a month or

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Speaker 4: so too. Yeah, be better.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, what's the biggest what's the biggest blue cat

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Speaker 4: Eighty two eighty two pounds? Now, that was on a

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Speaker 4: that's on a vertical line. Vertical biggest one on My

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Speaker 4: wife actually caught the biggest blue we got and it

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Speaker 4: was seventy six on a pole. And then she's called

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Speaker 4: seven sixty seven flathead, six seven pound flatthead.

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Speaker 2: She and boat records. Right now, that's just kind of

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Speaker 6: You know when you say vertical line, is that like

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Speaker 4: No, like a You just you find your deep hole

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Speaker 1: Huh. So it's a vertical. It's just like I finally

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Speaker 1: understood it the second time you described it to me. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's just like a trot line, except it goes straight.

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Speaker 2: Everything same put a weight.

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Speaker 1: On the end and just drop it. And then you

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Speaker 4: The Yeah, it's a little old trout line clip where

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Speaker 4: you hook on it. We fish leaders about like that.

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Speaker 6: So you so you've got a bunch of different hooks,

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Speaker 6: are different depths that way exactly.

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Speaker 4: You know, you kind of stretch it out there and

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Speaker 3: You got every depth.

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, Mike, the Achilles heel of the vertical trout line,

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Speaker 4: You really don't not it's sepidary. I mean there's not

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Speaker 4: It's more for you'll catch more blue calf than you

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Speaker 1: Okay. Second problem, potential problem. You get thirty fish on

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Speaker 2: I hadn't had that happen, but I could see it

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Speaker 4: But I mean, if we've had some big I mean

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Speaker 3: Stay hood the catfish yourselfish. They'll never work it out amongst.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like they're pulling against each other. And you

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Speaker 4: you just get there behind them rock docks. They usually

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Speaker 4: only next morning. Bait's a big thing. What do you

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Speaker 4: what are you using?

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Speaker 2: Skip jack?

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Speaker 1: Is a live wildfish that lives in this river.

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Speaker 2: Yes, skip jack.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a shiners.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and so oli is right behind these rock dikes.

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Speaker 4: It's natural and works great. I love brim. Yeah, this

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Speaker 4: according time of year it is, you know, that's a

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Speaker 2: Springtime. I want them live.

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Speaker 1: I want that live bait hook them right in the tail.

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Speaker 4: But I mean some of these old timers right here

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Speaker 4: and they catch a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's several guys in this river. I want to

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Speaker 4: fish with it. I just met some of them last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, we had on the Bear Grease podcast as a

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Speaker 1: as a formal guest, Bill Lancaster, I told you about.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, he's a he's a heck of a guy.

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Speaker 1: If you go in the Wildlife Museum in Leland, Mississippi. Uh,

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Speaker 2: And we catch.

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Speaker 4: We're doing this burk line fishing stuff a little bit,

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Speaker 4: but we were ninety percent.

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Speaker 1: Pole fish, pole fishing. You want real men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we fish.

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Speaker 4: We fish up down this bank, all up through behind

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Speaker 4: these dykes. Sometimes we take the buck, you know, we

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Speaker 1: Yeah works good. And I gotta get I want to

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Speaker 1: come down here sometime and fish with you when it's good.

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Speaker 1: And I know. So we were playing this deer hunt,

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Speaker 1: on the catfishing deal there at the end. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a perfect time at all. But no, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lake.

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Speaker 2: I was looking.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at Lake and said Jordan Dan.

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Speaker 6: I thought I was don't get the roasting.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it's be brutal.

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Speaker 1: So Lake, you work for on X, do you work

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Speaker 1: for open season properties? You sell real estate Mississippi? What

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Speaker 1: else do you do with your life?

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Speaker 5: I mean that's where we could end it right there.

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Speaker 5: I mean those two things. Duck God, if I was duck,

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Speaker 5: if I was duck guiding, I would be filing for

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Speaker 5: unemployment after this last go round.

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Speaker 1: But it's not your fault.

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Speaker 4: The same same morning the other morning, and they was there,

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Speaker 4: and they might they would thank you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not supposed to help him.

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Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, I mean mine on me too. You know,

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Speaker 2: my group didn't kill either.

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Speaker 5: Mike's on the north side of this property. I'm on

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Speaker 5: the south side. Before I'd even talked to Mike, I

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Speaker 5: text y'all and I said, dunk report. I think what

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Speaker 5: I said is good, not great, like it wouldn't loaded.

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Speaker 2: We all kind of looked like fools there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we killed a duck, a duck, Paul shot him, right, No,

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Speaker 1: It's historic lows on the Mississippi River, is that right?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's never been three foot of food

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've talked about this before. And when you say

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Speaker 3: What's zero?

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Speaker 1: Well, so so okay, let me let me teach you

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Speaker 8: We just it's a little more confidence there. I would

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's I guess it's gotta be here's because.

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Speaker 5: It's like you talk to these guys like Mike that's

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Speaker 5: you know, I mean, because he knows what happens on

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Speaker 1: Well, so I was looking at a map. There's a

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Speaker 1: describes places on the property that are named at thirty feet,

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Speaker 2: Well you go to hunting it and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, you need to know if the road if you're

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we experienced that this week when we

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Speaker 4: Island, drive until two days before we are one. When

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had our bows and we're gonna drive over

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Speaker 4: The tide's high you could drive a big boat through there.

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Speaker 4: uh like that, everything went chaos.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they got your handled, they got you on

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah they did.

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Speaker 4: That was kind of unexpected. That's kind of unexpected. Little

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Speaker 3: The boys did.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was.

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Speaker 1: It was funner taking that boat over there than oh,

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Speaker 1: yeah before, wasn't it? Brent probably better hunting Brent. So

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Speaker 1: I've spent uh two hundred and fifty miles with Brent

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: The iceberg close close? Okay, Well, the ice sheet, so

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Speaker 1: fifty miles in, I say, Captain, I think it's time

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Speaker 1: And I pretty much drove the last two hundred miles.

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Speaker 3: Did it not? You did?

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Speaker 3: You did? Very well? You did? You really did.

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Speaker 2: It was time to load across that current. I saw that.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if if I was going to say that, Mike,

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Speaker 8: I appreciate you bringing that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I'm the first one.

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Speaker 3: It was. It's different, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's tough, a lot of there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I chickened out. I chickened out. So I drove

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Speaker 1: I mean, doing everything. And when we I told him

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Speaker 8: He had a good approach, though, didn't he did.

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Speaker 1: And Brent was trying to make it like a teaching thing.

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Speaker 1: He's like, now, come on, Clay, you're gonna do I

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Speaker 1: You're going to do this. And I finally just said, Brent,

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Speaker 8: Well it's a boat. I mean, good gosh, it ain't

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen such.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really really cool. I just wanted to We

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Speaker 8: But if I can tell you this from being the captain,

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Speaker 3: The cub pilot.

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Speaker 1: Mike, they get they get mad at me because we'd

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Speaker 1: There could be obstructions, there could be sandbars, anything, but

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Speaker 2: What should what should I do?

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Speaker 3: What you do?

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 1: Why did you ask me what to do?

445
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Speaker 3: He said? Should I pass on?

446
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: Every hour?

447
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 8: Should I pass on the left to the rights? I

448
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 8: pass on the left. Well, why wouldn't I pass on

449
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 8: the right? I said, just pass on the left. You

450
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 8: got the room, that's the way. Let him have that

451
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 8: saddle there. Well, I think I should pass on? I said,

452
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 8: were you driving? Just drive? But you need to make

453
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Speaker 8: a decision, do one or the other, but you need

454
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Speaker 8: to do it right.

455
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Speaker 1: And what Britta and I's relationship is so good because

456
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Speaker 1: he helps me process through decision making.

457
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Speaker 3: And the ulcer I have in my stomach.

458
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Speaker 1: But we made it.

459
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: It was good. You did really well? Man?

460
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: Well it was. It was a lot of fun. It

461
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: really was a lot of fun.

462
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 5: Were you intimidated at all. Oh yeah, absolutely, there's a

463
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 5: lot of folks. I mean, because there's stories that come

464
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Speaker 5: up about people putting in boats on that river man,

465
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Speaker 5: And I mean, yeah, I would be intimidated.

466
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Speaker 1: Shoot, just like.

467
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Speaker 2: What I said today, when she's grumpy, don't mess with her.

468
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah that was good.

469
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Speaker 8: When you said that today, I thought, man, that's that's

470
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Speaker 8: a great way to do it.

471
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Speaker 6: The first time I ever got out on the main

472
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Speaker 6: Missippi River channel, it scared me to death.

473
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Speaker 3: Really.

474
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Speaker 6: I was twenty one years old, just started guiding at

475
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Speaker 6: a place down south, and are right at Natches and

476
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Speaker 6: we're going to take hunters out. And I had no idea.

477
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 6: I never experienced Missisi river bottom of my life, but

478
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 6: I was so excited to be there. And I had

479
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 6: a deer stand right on the river, and the best

480
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 6: way to get to it was by the river.

481
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: And the head gud.

482
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 6: Over sent me and another boy didn't know what he's

483
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 6: doing out in a sixteen foot John Bow twenty five horsepower,

484
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 6: little Kawasaki or something on it. So y'all go around

485
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 6: a point down there. You'll see the flag, and I

486
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 6: put on river bank. We come out to this point

487
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 6: and there's barges and currants and whirlpools, and I'm like,

488
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, but I mean we made it, but

489
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 6: I was scared to death.

490
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: Well there's yeah, I mean that. So we had this

491
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: idea to do this trip. We were going to try

492
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Speaker 1: to do it in the warmer weather. We had to delay,

493
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: and so we came back when it was super cold,

494
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: and which ended up not being the limiting factor. I mean,

495
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: we were cold, but that we had a we had

496
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: a semi covered deck that kept us fairly warm, but

497
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: we were just decked out with warm weather clothes. Ended

498
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: up being a nine hour trip two hudred fifty miles

499
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: and we we when I we put in at Memphis

500
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Speaker 1: with inside of the bass Pro pyramid at Memphis at

501
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: the bridge, and uh yeah, those first few miles we

502
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: didn't know how long it would take. We didn't know.

503
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there was just uncountable variables and uh, it

504
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: was absolutely intimidating. Yeah, but that's why we did it,

505
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I suppose. I mean, it's it's it was just yeah,

506
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: like I said, we could have drove here. But when

507
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: we did this series on the Mississippi River back in

508
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: the spring, back in the summer, that's when I had

509
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: the thought that I wanted to go down the river.

510
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go down. I wanted to see it.

511
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: And uh, the truth is is that the way the

512
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: river looks today, it's it's definitely different than when Davy Crockett,

513
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, Davy Crockett wrecked a boat just south of

514
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: Memphis and nearly died. I heard about that one, and uh,

515
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, all these famous people, I mean, anybody in

516
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: American history that has done anything, has been down the

517
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: Mississippi River. And I wanted to see it. And honestly,

518
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: today it looks about like it did then. I mean

519
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: that you just can't. What I was most struck by

520
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: when I was on the river, and I knew this,

521
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: but then I saw it is that there are no cities.

522
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: Don't come to the edge of the river in that

523
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: span from Memphis to Vicksburg. There are no cities to

524
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Speaker 1: speak of. And by cities, I mean you can if

525
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: there were. I mean, you know, it's woods. What you're

526
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: seeing is woods. We did see the Tunica casino that

527
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: stood up above the tree line, and then you would

528
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: see loading docks, you know, where they were loading barges

529
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: and stuff and you'd see the odd well you'd see

530
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: river camps. Once you got well all down through there,

531
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: you would occasionally see river camps, and there'd be clusters

532
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: of them around cities because the cities are outside the levees,

533
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: so you can't see them. But I mean, I I

534
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: just it was. I wouldn't have thought or I just

535
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: never thought it through that the river looks about like

536
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: it did when Mark Twain was running down it as

537
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: a cub pilot like me.

538
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: How many other boats did y'all say that?

539
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that. We saw one pleasure craft

540
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: and two pleasure crafts and two hundred and fifty miles.

541
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: Wow, no joke.

542
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: We kept track. We saw two people. Now we saw

543
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: how many barges did we think we passed? Oh, we

544
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: had a guest. I think we said we figured we

545
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: passed probably between thirty and forty barges in a two

546
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles stretch, nine hours on the water.

547
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: We saw two civilian just like pleasure crafts, just like

548
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: guys on the John boat two fifty miles.

549
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Speaker 3: Now.

550
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: We were there in January, which was you know, not

551
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Speaker 1: a lot.

552
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: Of people out the off season.

553
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: It's the off season, no skis No, I didn't see

554
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: any skiers.

555
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 8: But anyway, incredible trip though, spending the night on the

556
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 8: on the island.

557
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: Then yeah, it was, it was, it was really it

558
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: was fun.

559
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 7: Uh so Isaac and Ice up in the boat and

561
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 7: we were way at back up this back channel, how

562
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 7: far up back up the back quarter mile or a

563
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 7: quarter mile up of back channel and Isaac and I

564
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 7: were sleeping in the boat and it's just crazy that

565
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 7: you could feel the waves from the barges a quarter

566
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 7: mile up a back channel like rocking.

567
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: Be glad y'all found channel.

568
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, makes your water had come over

569
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: the back of your motor and all that.

570
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then the boat the water table rose in the night.

571
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the water table rose in the night, and

572
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 7: then the barges slowed down and didn't come through and

573
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 7: probably midnight until five, and then at five and the

574
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 7: morning the barges started coming through, and then the boat

575
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 7: just kept rocking and rocking. You feel as the barges increased,

576
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 7: the boat would continued rock.

577
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was pretty cool experience.

578
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was really glad. You'll slept in the boat.

579
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent, Me and Brent slept in tents on the

580
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: bank and he said, I'm glad those boys are sleeping

581
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: that boat. And I said why and he said, in.

582
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Case it floats off, they can drive it back. Yeah.

583
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, that's why I brought you.

584
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: Captain.

585
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Hey, let's uh, let's talk about this podcast. So everybody

586
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: got to listen to it. Mike, you listened to your

587
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: first podcast today.

588
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: First podcast. I loved it.

589
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm very honored that the Barge podcast was a was

590
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: the first one you ever listened to. This was a

591
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: unique one. Usually we've done a lot of We've done

592
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: multiple series on while I Violators and Violations. We did

593
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: the lou Dell and Charlie series, which was one of

594
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: my favorites of all time, about two guys that have

595
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: passed away that were notorious turkey hunting poachers from my

596
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: hometown near Mina, Arkansas, but they were beloved people in

597
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: our community. And I interviewed family members to all kind

598
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: of different people about these guys and told the story

599
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: about their life really interesting, but I didn't talk to them.

600
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: We did a big series called Secret Agent Man, where

601
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: I interviewed an undercover wildlife agent from Ohio that worked

602
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: undercover for years and years, and he just had the

603
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: wildest stories you could ever dream of. Yeah, but we

604
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: didn't talk to We didn't talk to We ended up

605
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: talking to one of the people that he was after.

606
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: But this was unique because I was talking to the guy,

607
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: and I mean I thought it was. I said it

608
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: over and over in the podcast, maybe to a point

609
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: of redundancy, but where I was trying to be like,

610
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: Donnie didn't have to tell us this story. He could

611
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: have said, no, thanks, Clay, I think I'll pass on

612
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: reliving one of the worst period times in his life,

613
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, when he got caught for this. But what well,

614
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: let me back up. I also was very concerned about

615
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: when I did the interview with him, I told him

616
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't even sure if I could use it. I

617
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: talked to him for two hours. Y'all heard twenty seven

618
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: minutes of the interview, so by the time it was

619
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: whittled down, you heard twenty seven minutes. I talked to

620
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: him for two hours that we recorded, and I told him,

621
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if we can use this

622
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: or not. And it was because I didn't want it

623
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: to I didn't want to hurt this guy.

624
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: You know.

625
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: I didn't.

626
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted him to tell a story. I

627
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: wanted us to learn something from it. I learned a

628
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: ton of stuff from just hearing people's stories. I mean

629
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: we all do, whether we know it or not. I mean,

630
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: like stories are so powerful to you know, just every

631
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: arena of life.

632
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: But I was.

633
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want him to be, you know,

634
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: have to go through the ringer again for something he's

635
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: already paid for. But the main reason that I could

636
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: talk to Donnie was that first time I talked to him,

637
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: I said, I smelled a whiff of genuineness, contriteness, and

638
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: just he was humble, And I thought that was I

639
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: thought that was unique. And he did a such a

640
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: good job of telling the story, and uh, I thought

641
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: it was fascinating.

642
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: To it.

643
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Did you so you? Yeah, what did you feel like

644
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: after you? Did you like the guy?

645
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: Did you liked him? I mean, I'm like I said,

646
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: genuine You can.

647
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: Hear that in his voice.

648
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

649
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wasn't trying to hide nothing. He just spoke

650
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: it out there.

651
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'd like to meet him.

653
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

654
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Well, Brent, what stood out to you in the podcast.

655
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: He talked? When he talked about his dad. Yeah.

656
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 8: Well, and when you talked to when he went back

657
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 8: in the house and you talked to his dad, and

658
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 8: that that was almost kind of made me kind of misty.

659
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 8: I thinking about a father's love for a son who

660
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 8: has made a terrible mistake, and that but he's standing

661
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 8: beside him, and he can see all the pain that

662
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 8: that kid's going through. There's nothing he can do to

663
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 8: help him, and he and and it was very prophetic

664
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 8: when he showed his dad that deer and his dad said, son,

665
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 8: that's an awful big deer. Not to shoot or not

666
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 8: to get the right way, Yeah, and he I mean

667
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 8: it was all almost like, you know, this is this

668
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 8: thing going to end? Well, yeah, but it's your son,

669
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 8: you know. And so that's that stood out to me.

670
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: You know.

671
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 8: It made me think about my kids, made me think

672
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 8: about the times that I've disappointed my dad, and I

673
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 8: would I would say that that was probably that would

674
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 8: rank near the top of the things that bothered on

675
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 8: anybody anything, is knowing that he his dad was disappointed

676
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 8: in him, and I just I couldn't get away from that.

677
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 8: There were several other things that that really said something

678
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 8: to me.

679
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: But you you.

680
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Said something to me when we listened to it together,

681
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: you said you thought so Brent's thirty two years background

682
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: in law enforcement. You said you didn't think they had

683
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: enough evidence on him to really prosecute him.

684
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: I don't think they did.

685
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: That's shocking to me.

686
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 8: Well, judging from just from how the investigation went about.

687
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: Why if.

688
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 8: I mean, if I'm going to talk to somebody, it's

689
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 8: to get to get more information. If I got enough

690
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 8: to arrest him, I'm going to arrest him. Right then

691
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 8: I've already got I've taken all the in in, all

692
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 8: the facts that I need to the prosecuting Attorney's office,

693
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 8: and they've sworn our judge.

694
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: But okay, so if they if they they had the

695
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: evidence to prosecute him in court and they arrested him,

696
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: what would they have done with him? Put him in

697
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: jail until the court date?

698
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: No? Well, I mean on a game violation. No, I'm

699
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: sure that it's a mistemean.

700
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: So what would they have done?

701
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: Then? Issued him a citation?

702
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: Just just wrote him a citation?

703
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, unless you know there's here's another thing in this deal.

704
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 8: It was on a on a federal it was on

705
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 8: an army base. Yeah, so there's some federal laws there

706
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 8: that I'm not familiar with, that that may have been

707
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 8: the a mitigating factor and all that, but I just

708
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 8: just from listening to it, it just made me say

709
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 8: out loud, if they're wanting to talk to him, they're

710
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 8: wanting to talk to him and say, Hey, this is

711
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 8: the information we got, we think, this is what's.

712
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: You told me. I've heard you talk before about talking

713
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: to people, like talking to people that are assumed to

714
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: have committed a crime, and what do you say.

715
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 8: They if you will give them the opportunity, they'll tell

716
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 8: them themself. Somebody that's not not a sociopath, but some.

717
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: Sociopath being someone who has no remorse for doing something correct.

718
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: They see nothing wrong with what they're doing anything they

719
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: choose to do.

720
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: So if somebody has guilt.

721
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 8: Somebody has guilt. Somebody who has has knows the difference

722
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 8: in right and wrong and does something wrong. You, if

723
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 8: you give them the opportunity, they'll tell on theirselfs because

724
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 8: they want to unburden. It's a burden, it's something that

725
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 8: they're they're holding, and that I mean Donnie said it himself.

726
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 8: He laid his hand on the biggest deer he will

727
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 8: ever lay his hands on probably, and he said he

728
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 8: didn't feel good about it. He's like, I'll never get

729
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 8: away with this. Well, I never get it. He knows

730
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 8: he did something wrong, and he said later on in

731
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 8: the story he told you. He said when he finally

732
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 8: told the agents, he felt better.

733
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: He said it was a burden that lifted off. Yeah,

734
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: which is not surprising, but it's interesting the way you

735
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: said that. If you're not a sociopaths, if you don't

736
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: have some wild mechanism that makes you not feel remorse

737
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: for something right, you want to get rid of that guilt.

738
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, he took he made a choice. I don't agree

739
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 8: with terminology about somebody made a mistake. Making a mistake

740
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 8: is putting two cups of flour in a recipe that

741
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 8: calls for one. That's a mistake. Walk getting out of

742
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 8: your truck and taking a bow and arrow and purposely

743
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 8: going and shooting a deer where you know you're not

744
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 8: supposed to. That's a violation. That's breaking the law. That's

745
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 8: doing something that you're not supposed to do. That don't

746
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 8: mean it's that you can't get over it. That don't

747
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 8: mean that you can't atone for it. I'm not saying

748
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 8: that at all, But I don't. That's not a mistake.

749
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 8: He did that on purpose.

750
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

751
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 8: But would I sat down and have a couple of

752
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 8: coffee with him? You bet I would?

753
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, gole that that's all really interesting. What would

754
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: you do to someone to make them talk? How would you?

755
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: How would you handle somebody that you know? Because see

756
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: they knew he did it, they didn't have evidence that

757
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: he That's.

758
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: What I'm and that's what I meant, you know, I

759
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: mean that's what I think.

760
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: There's no way that he could have at one time. Ye,

761
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: my mind is going to one hundred different directions. I know,

762
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: if he'd had a really good lawyer, you think he

763
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: could have got out of it.

764
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: Doubtful because too many people saw the deer.

765
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: One time I was with a guy. This is where

766
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: my mind sidetracked. One time I was with a guy

767
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: in Arkansas and something happened and it was kind of

768
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: his fault, but I would have been entangled in it

769
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: just because I was with him. And I said, hey, bro,

770
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: you sure we should be doing this? And he said,

771
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: he said, Clay, if they come after you, I will

772
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: get the baddest lawyer in Mississippi to defend you. And

773
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, Mississippi. Why Mississippi. We

774
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: were in Arkansas and I'm from Mississippi. I never forgot

775
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: that there must be some good lawyers in Mississippi because

776
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: he said, I'll get the baddest lawyer in Mississippi. Luckily

777
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: we didn't have to go there. Well, carry on, Brett.

778
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: Could he have got out of it?

779
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: Man? I don't know.

780
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 8: It goes back the old adage that's attributed to Benjamin

781
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 8: Franklin that three people can keep a secret if two

782
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 8: of them are dead. So there's no way he could

783
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 8: have kept that deer secret. And then he didn't, you know,

784
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 8: he showed his cousin. He's like, oh, okay, here's this

785
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 8: is what I did. Then he gets over his cousin's

786
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 8: house and there's what two hundred people there?

787
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, there was just a wat of people there.

788
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: So I mean, that's the jig is up right then.

789
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: What what was interesting too, is that he knew from

790
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: the very beginning. He said, as soon as he shot

791
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: and saw the deer, he said, he said, there's no

792
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: way I'm going to get away with this.

793
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: Wish he wouldn't have done it right then.

794
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then but he just kept it just kept

795
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: getting worse, kept getting worse, Like he just.

796
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: How far was his house from where they'd been seeing

797
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: the deer?

798
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: A good ways thirty forty miles worse.

799
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: So that didn't so.

800
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: When he when he killed the deer and the guys

801
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: had trail camera pictures of it on Fort Leonard Wood

802
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: and he said he'd killed it.

803
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: Right, That's why I was one of that.

804
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: It may have only been twenty five miles, yeah, it.

805
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: But steal it, but it was they knew that deer

806
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 4: just didn't go twenty five miles real quick.

807
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. What what do you think, Jordan?

808
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 6: And Uh, the biggest part that stood out to me

809
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: that I could relate with for is what today society

810
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 6: is is the validation part. I don't remember as either

811
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 6: you or him talking about, you know, a big reason

812
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 6: why he wanted to shoot the deer or whatever because

813
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 6: kind of kind of put the puzzle pieces together, like

814
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 6: you know on the bow shop. You know, if he

815
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 6: kills big old deer, you know, gives me more validation

816
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 6: for my what I do for a living. And yeah,

817
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 6: you know, it's just a cycle that keeps on going

818
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 6: from there, and I think that was a huge part

819
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 6: why he probably did it. You know, it was a

820
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 6: validation of you know, not that you want to beat

821
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 6: your chest, but I mean we all hunt want to

822
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 6: kill a big bucket when we do, you know, you

823
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 6: want to show people. Yeah, you know that's that's that's

824
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 6: that'll get you in trouble, is what I'm saying. I

825
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 6: think that's a big part of why he did it.

826
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was twenty six years old.

827
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: Prove to these old guys, you know whatever, you know,

828
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 6: I can kill these big deer too, just like y'all can.

829
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

830
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a unique set of circumstances that I mean,

831
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I think I said it was a one two three

832
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: judo kick of him having a Botus truck, him having

833
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: uh it being season, which he wasn't willing to kill

834
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: it out of season, but then having that deer right there,

835
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: and it was just like it just broken But Lake,

836
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: what do you think?

837
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: What what? Just what longer craving on him?

838
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, which happened to a lot of people if

839
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: they were going to be honest about it.

840
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I don't know, I mean just think about it.

841
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know anybody sitting in this room. It's

842
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: all two hundred deer thirty yards off the road. It

843
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 6: wouldn't at least think about it.

844
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and looking, hey, you, what'd you think about the

845
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: dollar value analogy?

846
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 4: Do you remember?

847
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one twenty five versus two hundred incher Yep,

848
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 5: that makes sense?

849
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Say what say what was on the podcast?

850
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: You remember?

851
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: Basically you were you know, take that same deer that's

852
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: thirty yards off the road in the ditch, and you

853
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 5: can be like, that's a killable deer right there, and

854
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 5: he's a one hundred and twenty five inch eight point,

855
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 5: good solid eight point, But that might not make somebody

856
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 5: break their morals, right you turn that deer into two

857
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 5: hundred inch like it. Truly, it sounds cliche, but it

858
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 5: truly wants in a lifetime deer that's a little bit

859
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: more of a little bit more waving out, you know, temptation,

860
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: waving in front of your face.

861
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: But then I use the analogy that the one hundred and

862
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: twenty five inch buck would be like one hundred dollars

863
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: bill laying on the table. That's not yours that you

864
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: could take, but it's not yours. A two hundred inch yeer,

865
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: and I want to hear if y'all think this is

866
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: the right monetary equivalence, A two hundred inch deer would

867
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: be like having one hundred thousand dollars cash on the table.

868
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 8: When you were when that was coming out of your mouth,

869
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 8: I thought he's going to say a million dollars. And

870
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 8: when you said one hundred thousand, I thought that's perfect.

871
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: Because in the white it's it's you know, you kind

872
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: of have got to be in the moment. But in

873
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: the white tail world, you know, one hundred and twenty

874
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: five inch year versus a two hundred inch deeer is

875
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: about like one hundred dollars bill one hundred thousand.

876
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: A life change. And most of us never seen a.

877
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Two indred inch year.

878
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, have you ever seen one? No, not

879
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: just out, No, sir.

880
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Mister stad have you seen one. We've got a we've

881
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: got a guest here that's not on the mic. You've

882
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: probably seen a two hundred inch deeer.

883
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: Hens lots of places.

884
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got one guy here that's seen a two

885
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: hundred inch year. I've seen close to a two hundred

886
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: in year.

887
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: I have not. I can assure you I.

888
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: Have not either had neither by close, I mean like

889
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: inside of you know, twenty I.

890
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: Could.

891
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 5: I've seen one that I could say, I'd say he

892
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 5: was one hundred and eighty inches. I'd be comfortable saying that,

893
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: but not not a two hundred.

894
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: That's different.

895
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've seen two hundreds yeer, yes, sure

896
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: have you actually hunted one for like five years, ended

897
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: up killing him last year, but he was not two

898
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: hundred anymore. Oh for really kill the big one last year?

899
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: What did it score when he killed one sixty five?

900
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: And at one time it was a tutored in.

901
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

902
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 6: We first saw him I think in twenty seventeen and

903
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 6: he was well over that no way, and uh yeah,

904
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 6: this is in Kansas and got a hunt with up there.

905
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 6: Actually shot at him a couple times that your rifle.

906
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 6: I missed him, and next year he got missed again,

907
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 6: and then he disappeared for a couple of years, and

908
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 6: then last year ended up killing him. I didn't put

909
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 6: all the puzzle pieces together till later on. The neighbor

910
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: had been getting pictured of him for the last three years.

911
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so you've seen one, Drew, have you

912
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: seen a tutor inch year?

913
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: Not even close?

914
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Are you a new hunter, Drew?

915
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: Uh No, not a new hunter.

916
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 7: Okay for a long time, okay, but not definitely not

917
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 7: a professional hunter.

918
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what'd you think about the podcast?

919
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome.

920
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 7: I mean, I yeah, I guess I genuine felt bad

921
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 7: for him, but like I know, the whole bullets and

922
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 7: arrows deal, like, once they're released, you can't take them back.

923
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I mean I think it's.

924
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 7: A major bummer what what happened to him? And I

925
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 7: could definitely understand, like Jordan, you're saying, getting out of

926
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 7: the truck and maybe making a foolish walk, but then

927
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 7: once once it's gone, it's gone, and then how you

928
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 7: act afterwards. I think the story could be potentially drastically

929
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 7: changed if f it's like, hey man, that was a

930
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 7: bad deal and just turned himself in right away.

931
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder how different it would have been

932
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: if he'd have done that, Because that never happens.

933
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: I don't know the outcome, but I mean that's what

934
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: you're I mean, that's technically what you're supposed to people.

935
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: People that make mistakes kind of by accident, will turn

936
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: themselves in. I mean, we all probably in this room

937
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: know someone that's done something on accident and then been like,

938
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: oh man, I made a mistake, call the game word

939
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: and turn themselves in. Nobody that commits an egregious wildlife crime,

940
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean that I know of is gonna poach your

941
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: tw in net deer on a military base and then

942
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: immediately that would be like best case scenario. It's interesting

943
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: why they Yeah, he could have he could have skipped

944
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: a lot if he'd just.

945
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 7: Just go down the Rabbitman. The more like it, like

946
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 7: he was saying, all right, started bringing people into this

947
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 7: that didn't even want to be a part of it. Yeah,

948
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 7: so his actions hurt a lot of people.

949
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did uh did anything? Did anything surprise anybody

950
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: about about I don't know what what stood out to

951
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: Did you think he was gonna did you have when

952
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: you knew this guy killed the deer? Did you project

953
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: how he was going to kill it? Did you like,

954
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: were you surprised when you heard how it rolled out?

955
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: Oh?

956
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 5: I was the Yeah, I mean, because I mean I

957
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 5: thought he was gonna it just seemed like how he

958
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 5: ended up killing it. I was like, it sounded like, dude,

959
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 5: you're lucky you got away with it for as long

960
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 5: as you did, because it sounded like it was just

961
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 5: very you know, viewable for other people to see. Yeah,

962
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 5: when he talks about those other people pulling into the

963
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 5: parking lot and him hiding in the.

964
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: Woods and all that.

965
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was surprising to me.

966
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

967
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 4: I mean it's hard to hide two hundred inches horn

968
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: laying out there in the ark.

969
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

970
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Mike, what stood out to you just in

971
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: the whole thing? Like, what if you were down at

972
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: the gas station tomorrow telling somebody about this, what would

973
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: you say. That's a tough question because gas stations way,

974
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: there's like no gas stations. That's a bad analogy.

975
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: Like I'd like the party. He was humble. I believe

976
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: he meant every word he said. Yeah. Yeah, I think

977
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: he knew he made a mistake from the start. Yeah.

978
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: I think he probably got nervous and did you know,

979
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 4: did the line on you know, where he killed it

980
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: and all that, which that did wasn't good. Yeah, but

981
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: I think he realized it real quick.

982
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

983
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: Do I think the guy is a poacher and outlaw? No,

984
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: I think he got caught up in the moment. I

985
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: mean you're looking at that two hundred inch deer and

986
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: you're giving bold lessons and everything else, and you're kind

987
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 4: of the guy around there, Like Jordan said, yeah, I

988
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 4: can see to where it would make you want to

989
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 4: think about it.

990
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, Clay, didn't you kill an like a giant omers

991
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: deer one time?

992
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Jordan, I'm glad you brought you Well,

993
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: I killed the biggest ever killed, one hundred and sixty

994
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: nine inches.

995
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 6: Well, didn't it like like set your like career? Like yeah,

996
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 6: articles and stuff like that wrote about you about it,

997
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 6: so you can kind of understand the validation part of it,

998
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 6: like it exactly. That's kind of where I was going

999
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 6: with that, Like it could potentially change his whole business

1000
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 6: or life right whatever, you know, right doing for a living.

1001
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it absolutely could have. It absolutely could have.

1002
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: If you got away with it.

1003
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: Well and then and then in the podcast we talked

1004
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: about how, you know, cheating that cheating the system really

1005
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: just messes you up in the future, you know.

1006
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't feel like he was really a

1007
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 4: cheater as much as I mean I felt like after

1008
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: he'd done it, he felt like that. But on a

1009
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: normal day, I felt like that guy was straight up

1010
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 4: Probably he just got caught up in the.

1011
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Moment well, and so that that brings up this whole

1012
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: thing that I kind of wanted to explore outside of

1013
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: just this guy committing a crime, is how as a

1014
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: society do we handle people that mess up? Because I

1015
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: think especially with the in the advent of the internet

1016
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years, I mean, if you read

1017
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: that story, if you read the headline on meat Eater

1018
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: or outdoor Life said man kills illegally kills two hundred

1019
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: inch white tail on Fort Leonard Wood, Like, you're immediately

1020
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna think poacher. This is what I'm gonna think. I'm

1021
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna think poacher. Throw the book at it, which I mean,

1022
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I think they should have done that with Donnie. I mean, like,

1023
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: just because you're a nice guy doesn't mean you can

1024
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: get off.

1025
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: There's still consequences.

1026
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1027
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: But what what I what's so wild about setting across

1028
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: from somebody like Donnie is you see the context that

1029
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: that happened in, and the second episode is gonna get

1030
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: way into the context of his life, which actually has

1031
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the deer. Like he told me

1032
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: the deer story, and then I asked him a question.

1033
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: I said, Donnie, why why did you tell me this? Story,

1034
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of foreshadowing of what's going to happen. And

1035
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: he's said, Clay, he said, this dear thing is really

1036
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: a pretty small piece of what's happened to me in

1037
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: the last ten years. And he started talking about stuff

1038
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to do with a government agency penalizing you,

1039
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: just in his life. It's just interesting. And so to me,

1040
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like everything that you happen when you're dealing with

1041
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: a human you're dealing with a context of circumstances that

1042
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: you most people don't have access to see. And again,

1043
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't justify someone breaking the law. But when I

1044
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: talk to Donnie, my instinct, especially with someone that's humble,

1045
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: that's doing what he's doing, is to have empathy for him,

1046
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: you know. But when I read it on the headline

1047
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: of Meat Eater, I don't, And it's like, wait a minute, perception,

1048
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: how's that? How does this work?

1049
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 3: I mean?

1050
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: And so.

1051
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: That's why we toyed around with the words at the end.

1052
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, a guy's a poacher, you know, if you

1053
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: break the law, If you break the law one time,

1054
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: then I'm a poacher. And Lake you're probably a poacher.

1055
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all anybody that's hunted very much or

1056
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: done anything very much has broken a law, maybe not

1057
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: maybe not on purpose, maybe on purpose, but we throw

1058
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: these stigmas around like so hard, Like if somebody does something,

1059
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: it's just like poacher, whole life never you know, how

1060
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: do you crawl out of it? And that's why I

1061
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: was talking about with my wife. We talked about how

1062
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: as a society do we do we handle people? Who

1063
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: do we forgive? And and who do we who do

1064
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: we allow a second chance? Because there's people that we

1065
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: don't very much.

1066
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: When I kind of figured out he was, I felt

1067
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: like he was all right, guys. Is one of the

1068
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: part about him being in church and preacher talking about it,

1069
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: he said that was the toughest part on him.

1070
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1071
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that kind of that you know.

1072
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 4: That he's real Yeah what church? Yeah, you know, and

1073
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 4: then yeah, you know when preacher announces that from very

1074
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 4: you know, and you didn't do it right, you know,

1075
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: it's got to kill you.

1076
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, facing everybody.

1077
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, what got me was I've heard, you know, coaching

1078
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 5: wildlife violation stories before, and typically you know, you get

1079
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 5: the sense the guys like me, I really kind of

1080
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 5: was off the you know, doing all this stuff and

1081
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 5: finally got called my life change. It's the best thing

1082
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 5: that ever happened to me. And now I'm this way

1083
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 5: that this guy seemed like he was a good, genuine

1084
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 5: honest guy, did something wrong and he was a good

1085
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 5: genuine honest guy afterwards, like he's the character about it

1086
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 5: didn't change.

1087
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also Brent, Brent and Drew asked

1088
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: me today when we listened to it about two times

1089
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: in the podcast, I said, I don't have twenty years

1090
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: of experience with this guy, you know. I said, I

1091
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: met this guy thirty minutes before I started talking to

1092
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: him and he told me his story, and I don't

1093
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: have a b experience and kind of from a sense

1094
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: of being honest inside of being a journalist essentially, I

1095
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: wanted to say, I think this guy's telling me the truth.

1096
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: I think this guy has changed. I think this I

1097
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: don't think he would do that well, I know he

1098
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it again, And I wanted to say I

1099
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: think this is a good guy. He has Clay Newcomb's

1100
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: stamp of approval. Donnie Baker does, but I also wanted

1101
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: to be responsible with that endorsement and say I don't

1102
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: know this guy, only he really knows. Did you who

1103
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: was it? It was you that were you the one that

1104
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: was saying that you thought that was a little sketchy

1105
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: of me to do that? Do you know what you said?

1106
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: Drew?

1107
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: You said it.

1108
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 7: No, we talked about it, and yeah, I think, I mean,

1109
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 7: he's the only one that's gonna know for sure.

1110
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was kind of just trying to

1111
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: say I don't know. I was just trying to be

1112
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: honest about it, you know. And uh, because if I

1113
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: if I knew, if I knew Brent for twenty years,

1114
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: it's like I could go, this guy's different. I was

1115
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: just saying, Man, I think this guy's different, and I do.

1116
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: I absolutely do. But but I'm looking forward to the

1117
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: to the next episode. It's gonna be interesting, man, And

1118
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna learn what they did to him.

1119
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm interested on.

1120
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna You're not look at these eyes?

1121
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: Lake.

1122
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: Am I giving away anything?

1123
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 3: You Cliff hung us a little bit? There?

1124
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: Am I poker face?

1125
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: It's very poker face.

1126
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Are they gonna Are they? Okay, let me ask you this, Brent,

1127
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: don't answer, because I think you know, are they gonna

1128
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do to him? Any any ideas.

1129
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 5: If I had probably gonna take his hunting license away,

1130
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 5: take his you know, all those weapons and stuff, I

1131
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 5: didn't probably big fine, and I mean yeah, probably, I

1132
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 5: would guess somewhere in there it'd be hunting privileges taking

1133
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 5: away for a long time.

1134
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

1135
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 4: That federal being on the air base and all that

1136
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: just changes everything. I don't really know what to expect.

1137
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 4: I can't wait to find out.

1138
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Drew, what do you think they're gonna do to him?

1139
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I think same as Lake plus plus a

1140
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 7: bit more because the air base.

1141
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: M hmm.

1142
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 6: I don't think it's anything outstandingly crazy. I think the

1143
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 6: public mutiliation.

1144
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: There you go, is his punishment.

1145
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 6: I mean, he's obviously going to get fines and some

1146
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 6: other little stuff, but I don't think it's ervading in

1147
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 6: jail time or anything like that. I think the public community,

1148
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 6: let's getting the emparised over everything.

1149
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: Okay, And that brings up a point A question that

1150
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: I asked on the podcast, is that to us that

1151
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: are deer hunters killing a tutor, each deer is a

1152
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: big deal. What if he had approached a basket rack

1153
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: eight point nobody.

1154
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, just wouldn't make near the ripple. We wouldn't be

1155
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: doing a podcast.

1156
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 6: About our shot to me?

1157
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 4: Or what if I said, I like that one hundred

1158
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 4: dollars one hundred thousand dollars.

1159
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: What if I said, Hey, a guy killed a deer

1160
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: on Fort Leonard Wood Bassaract eight point. He snuck it

1161
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: out of the base and said he killed it at

1162
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: his house and got caught.

1163
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: That was the story.

1164
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: And I said, what do you think they're going to

1165
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: do to him?

1166
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: Oh?

1167
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, because that's what happened. It's

1168
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of interesting because like, what what about you know,

1169
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: a couple more inches of bone? I'm touching Brent's deerhead.

1170
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: There make no different.

1171
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 6: The law is not based on how what size of

1172
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: the deer is.

1173
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

1174
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Well, today it is in a lot of places like inches.

1175
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I didn't know that.

1176
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about it more on the

1177
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: next episode. Oh yeah, there's there's trophy finds now. So

1178
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: if you kill a deer, and that's what I was

1179
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of exploring. I was like, is that is that? Okay?

1180
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: Is it?

1181
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, if you kill a two hundred inch

1182
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: deer today now in too thousand and nine when this happened,

1183
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that was as common, But there is

1184
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: a difference by the law.

1185
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, honestly, it kind of makes sense to me.

1186
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 5: I mean, going off of the compan back to the

1187
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 5: comparison you made, I mean, it it's just.

1188
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because the only thing that gives that

1189
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: deer value is just the cultural value that we as

1190
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: a society, society of deer hunters. I mean, you take

1191
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: that rack into some place where nobody knows anything about deer,

1192
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: and you set that one next to a great, big

1193
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: one and go which one do you do you want?

1194
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: Which one do you think is pretty? They might go goy,

1195
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: that one's ugly and big, like this little one that

1196
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: you know looks symmetrical.

1197
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 6: I can hang a lot of hats on.

1198
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: My point is is that it's totally human, human subjectiveness

1199
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: and this idea of beauty that we've created around a

1200
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: white tail rack that then makes the punishment. It's just

1201
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: interesting to think about it. I think it's I think

1202
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting. And you know, the other question asked about

1203
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: on the podcast that was just rhetorical question, was intent.

1204
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: Does intent matter? Like if he Mike if he had

1205
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: two months before been like I'm gonna sneak into that

1206
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: contonement area and I'm gonna put up a tree stand

1207
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna kill that deer with a thermal, which

1208
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have them probably to the public back in

1209
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. But why is that different than

1210
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: him having an impulsive shot. I liked it when he

1211
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: said it was like when you're a kid and you

1212
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: shoot a bird and you kind of wish you hadn't

1213
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: done it. But yeah, so intent, Why does intent matter?

1214
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 7: It's like just getting caught up in the moment a

1215
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 7: lot of times. But why does the matter with the law?

1216
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: Though?

1217
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 7: Well, the difference is like I'm thinking about like calling

1218
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 7: you a bunch of bad names or whatever and thinking

1219
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 7: about it for a long time, or you just get

1220
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 7: into argument.

1221
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: I just.

1222
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 7: Say, like you know what I mean, Like I just

1223
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 7: if I if I shout out like real quickly, it's

1224
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 7: like it's just impulsive impulsive. The only difference is I

1225
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 7: can say I'm sorry to you the word that arrow

1226
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 7: it's it's gone. There's nothing back.

1227
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 8: If me and you were driving down the Mississippi River

1228
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 8: and you run over a buoy by going left.

1229
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: When I tell you to go right and I kill you,

1230
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: that's impulse.

1231
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 8: If I think about it two hundred and fifty miles,

1232
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 8: think about killing you and just finally do it at

1233
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 8: the two hundred and forty ninth mile when I was

1234
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 8: actually thinking about it, that is intent.

1235
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: That's malice, I know.

1236
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: But why does it matter.

1237
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: I don't think in both of them, I don't think

1238
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 4: to find probably no different. I mean, it's doing the

1239
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 4: same things just right. You know we thought about a

1240
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: little longer.

1241
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 6: Well, okay, something else I just thought about too. On

1242
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 6: the regret of doing that standpoint, if you really really

1243
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 6: regreted doing it once you did it, you still went

1244
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 6: ahead and tried to hide it.

1245
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

1246
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 6: You know that's instead of just saying calling an MP

1247
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 6: and saying, man, I just I made a huge mistake.

1248
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 6: I'm messed up.

1249
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but how many people would do that though? Right?

1250
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I'm not I'm not saying you're.

1251
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: Wrong, told that you're gonna write it out.

1252
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 5: Because when that guy was telling that story and he

1253
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 5: talked about releasing the arrow and it hit I mean,

1254
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 5: like I could almost feel the weight of it of

1255
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 5: just being like, can you imagine me like, what in

1256
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 5: the world did I just do?

1257
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 3: And he had to have been terrified.

1258
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: Go yeah, it's.

1259
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 3: Like when he shut up burden.

1260
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: This exact nightmare. Going back to the the the intent thing.

1261
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: Intent does matter in the law. Think about manslaughter, Uh

1262
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: uh what is it? First degree? What am I talking

1263
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: thinking about? Involuntary? Involuntary manslaughter? A guy go to prison

1264
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: for five or ten years murder one as they call

1265
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: it in the pen is it's like I'm gonna I'm

1266
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: going to kill. That would be like thinking in Memphis

1267
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: that he was gonna try to bump me out of

1268
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: the boat and get like the capital crimes. Yeah, so,

1269
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean it does matter. So if you if you killed,

1270
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: if you killed someone in by accident in a fistfight,

1271
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: is different than if you went to their house. You're

1272
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: talking about wild stuff here, but intent intent matters.

1273
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: Ye.

1274
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: But it's just interesting to think about why is intent

1275
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: and in tent matters all the time in every single

1276
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: area of our life. When I deal with my kids,

1277
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: they may knock a cup over and spill stuff all

1278
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: over the couch, I am calculating intent intuitively, instinctively and

1279
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: immediately of where they messing around and do you know

1280
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: wrestling with her brother or sister and knock it over

1281
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: or was it just a genuine error, just a just

1282
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: a bumble. And I would handle that different. I would

1283
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: handle h I mean, we're we're constantly understanding intent because

1284
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: people are constantly doing us wrong. I mean, like if

1285
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: your friends with some human relationship means that you have

1286
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: to I mean with a husband and wife, with a

1287
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: boat captain and a cub boat captain.

1288
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 6: Today Lake took me out in the cold, wet mud.

1289
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 6: Was that did he have in tin.

1290
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: To make him miserable or is it just happened when

1291
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: he went out, when he went out looking for the

1292
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: ducks that weren't there.

1293
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: It was my intent.

1294
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: It worked. H No, all this stuff is interesting and

1295
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: uh well, it's been good to have everybody, man. I

1296
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: was I really intended to, Like, Okay, you got to

1297
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: tell us one story, Drew. You got to tell us

1298
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: about your jump that the photo that made the cup.

1299
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: We're changing gears here and winder down. Okay, Okay, tell

1300
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: me about the ski jump. So the other day, so

1301
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: I just met Drew. I met Drew like an hour

1302
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: before we got on the Mississippi River. It was pretty good.

1303
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: We were like in go mode. So usually there's some

1304
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: pleasantries amongst people when you first meet each other. Me

1305
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: and Drew were just like the all business.

1306
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 5: And oddly enough, his wife and I worked together at

1307
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 5: own X.

1308
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: That's right, your wife works at on X. Yeah, that's awesome.

1309
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: Do you get free prime eliteorship?

1310
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

1311
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: I know a guy as you look him up.

1312
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we can do that. Yeah.

1313
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: No, okay, tell me about the ski jump. Tell me

1314
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: the whole story. Yeah, so the whole story.

1315
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 7: So I grew up ski racing and Sundvalley, Idaho, and

1316
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 7: then got out of ski racing young, probably at like

1317
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 7: fourteen or fifteen, and then I started doing the extreme

1318
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 7: skiing tour and did like a circuit around the West.

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 7: And when we were in college, there's Loveland Pass and

1320
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 7: Colorado which is a big, big mountain pass and my

1321
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 7: buddy and I Griffin Post, who's a world famous skiers,

1322
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 7: still skis for tg R and the stuff all around

1323
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 7: the world.

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: We don't know what t GR is.

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01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 7: It's a teach Gravity Research. It's a ski movie.

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01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: Company, y'all know what that was.

1327
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: I down.

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 6: And I was like watching the slalom or whatever they

1329
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 6: call it. In the Olympics.

1330
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: This is like this is like this, but would like

1331
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: semi drugs.

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Speaker 7: So we wanted to build a jump and jump over

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01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 7: this highway, and.

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a mountains. Just some envision a

1335
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: very steep, snow covered mountain side with a with a

1336
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: two lane highway like cut into the bank, kind of

1337
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: going around that rim of the mountain.

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, well right over, right over the top of a

1339
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 7: mountain pass, okay, okay, And so we built this jump.

1340
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: Right above the build a snow jump. Just pack snow, just.

1341
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: Grab the shovels and start.

1342
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: How big was the jump?

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01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 7: Probably about ten feet If you say on the to

1344
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 7: take you to build it weekend, I mean weeken Like,

1345
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 7: what does that mean? Eight hour work day, lunch, yeahright,

1346
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 7: sixteen two hours, sixteen.

1347
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: Hours, sixteen hours, okay, I get that, all right.

1348
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 7: Sixty hours. So shovel on and then grooming in the

1349
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 7: in run. And it hadn't really in run like Jordan

1350
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 7: telling them what that is in run stuff where you land.

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01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: I thought, because Jordan like skin, was that right? Is

1352
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 1: that what it is?

1353
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 3: No?

1354
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: The d run is where you're build up to get

1355
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: the jump.

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: I was really hoping Jordan was right.

1357
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 6: He said at the end of the run.

1358
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so ten foot jump on the edge of the highway.

1359
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we basically.

1360
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: He said yeah, like as if that would be normal.

1361
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 7: So we built the jump and deemed that it was

1362
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 7: not safe because there wasn't very good snow that's on

1363
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 7: the land on the landing. So we waited an entire

1364
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 7: month for there to be more snow.

1365
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: And you gotta have good you can't have I'm sorry

1366
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: for interrupting you, but I'm not that sorry good snow.

1367
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 2: Okay, we're from the South.

1368
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 7: Everybody here in the South, it would be if there's

1369
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 7: bad snow, it would be like jumping into a pool

1370
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 7: with no water. So you want more fresh snow, which

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01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 7: is more water to jump into to make it softer.

1372
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: Some cushion, some cushion. Okay, that's good, analogy, got it.

1373
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we deemed it unsafe. So we waited a

1374
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 7: month and came back to Colorado, and it turns out

1375
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 7: that it really hadn't snowed in a month, but we

1376
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 7: decided that since we were there, so you had to

1377
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 7: travel to get there. Yeah, how far from Salt Lake City?

1378
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 7: So I'm not sure how.

1379
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: I mean like ten hours, maybe eight hours something like that.

1380
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: So you drove eight hours to get to this jump?

1381
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1382
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: Was there not a highway close to you that you

1383
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: could have done that at?

1384
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 7: This is a pretty nice highway, that's why you mean

1385
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 7: it's a pretty famous pass we've done.

1386
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: Okay, that that answered my quest. Is a famous pass? Yeah,

1387
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: so you wanted to do it right there?

1388
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's intent. That's intent.

1389
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: Is intent. If me and Brent were just driving down

1390
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: the road and we just saw random pass and just

1391
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: were impulsively built a jump, that would be that would

1392
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: not show intent. Okay, so you get there a month later,

1393
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: no new snow, but you decided to go for it.

1394
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: Anyways, So we.

1395
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 7: Decided to do rock paper scissors to see who had

1396
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 7: to go first. And so I'm not as good as

1397
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 7: Griffin at rocket paper scissors.

1398
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: So do your best of three or just one off

1399
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: best three? For sure, it's always.

1400
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 6: You must pick.

1401
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 7: So so I I had to go first with Griffin.

1402
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 7: Had no idea how to operate the camera.

1403
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: So you're a professional photographer.

1404
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is this is in the beginning. So I

1405
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 7: set up the camera on the tripod. He said, all right,

1406
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 7: I'll go to the go to the top and when

1407
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 7: you see a giant tanker or a house coming through,

1408
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 7: coming house, because everything goes over love on past like

1409
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 7: houses on the back of trucks.

1410
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean mobile, bubile home like you name it, you can.

1411
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: You needed a big truck coming. And now he's working

1412
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 1: the camera.

1413
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 3: Yep.

1414
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 7: I just have him to hold hold the button and

1415
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,959
Speaker 7: told him as soon as I hit the lip, just hold.

1416
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: The but and it just you had it on multi shot.

1417
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is back in the film days. Yeah, okay,

1418
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 7: and uh he's like all right. So soon as they

1419
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 7: soon as it rounds the bend, I'll give a whistle

1420
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 7: and one's go, and then two is stop and three

1421
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 7: is cops.

1422
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: Because me and Britta have that same thing. One is go,

1423
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: two has stop, three as cops.

1424
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: That's it.

1425
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,480
Speaker 8: That's international. It's like Morse code.

1426
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 7: And so yeah, I went went up to the top

1427
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 7: and got the whistle and went and bombed down and

1428
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 7: shot over the top of two semi trucks.

1429
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: And they were passing each other like this.

1430
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 7: There's two going going up at the same time. There's

1431
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 7: one that went over and the other one was like

1432
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 7: right in the right in the background of the photograph.

1433
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 5: I wonder what they were thinking if they saw you.

1434
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 7: Oh, but they're freaked out for sure. And then uh

1435
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 7: landed and made it a bit. But there's I mean,

1436
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 7: just giant chunks of ice and the landings that kind

1437
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 7: of exploded and landing relatively soft spot and then made

1438
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 7: Griffin go.

1439
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: So you land you stuck it. You stuck the landing

1440
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: for a bit and then it got you. Then you crashed.

1441
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a rodeo at the end, but

1442
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: it was okay. How high were you at the highest

1443
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: point from the ground, thirty forty feet something like that.

1444
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: How far did you jump?

1445
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 7: However, however far the standard width of a highway, I

1446
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 7: mean plus.

1447
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 3: A little bit.

1448
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 7: I mean landed sixty probably fifteen twenty feet past the guardrail.

1449
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,480
Speaker 7: You don't want to hit the guardrail.

1450
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 6: So like a hundred feet probably or more.

1451
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 7: Maybe I would say less than one hundred feet seventy

1452
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 7: got your feet like.

1453
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: That, okay. And then the photograph that your buddy he

1454
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: took it because he actually punched the shutter.

1455
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 7: Yes, so the first photography he ever took ended up

1456
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 7: being a double page spread and skiing magazine. My mom's

1457
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 7: saw is she is not not very thrilled.

1458
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: How old were you when that happened? Probably twenty three?

1459
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good age to make mistakes.

1460
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that range.

1461
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: I had to hear that story again. That's awesome, that's good,

1462
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: that's good. Hey, thank you guys, like anything you want

1463
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: to say, the Burgers World.

1464
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 5: Glad to be here again. Glad y'all came down here

1465
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 5: and we're able to make it down this low river.

1466
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1467
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll do it again sometime.

1468
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Yeah, next time we made just drive.

1469
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 5: I mean, you could take the boat again if you

1470
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 5: wanted to. I wouldn't suggest it.

1471
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 8: Separate boats next time. I'm hiring a crew that will

1472
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 8: do what I tell them.

1473
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 3: Drew, you're in.

1474
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 4: Uh, Drew kind of worked out, didn't he worked out?

1475
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 2: It worked out.

1476
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 5: I'm also as I think, I mean, I know, I

1477
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 5: can speak for everybody here. I tickled about Brent's buck, absolutely.

1478
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 2: To and I'm very tickle for him.

1479
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 6: I've been paying attention to how well you did not

1480
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 6: talk about your archery shooting. So we'll just.

1481
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: I made a couple of good shots, real good ones.

1482
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 5: Jordan did get to cut on me about the duck,

1483
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 5: so we had to cut on somebody.

1484
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta climb down to reload.

1485
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: Is there a reason all your errors are covered in

1486
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: Mississippi Gumbo bud, Mississippi buckshot.

1487
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 5: Someone gonna call in and be like, I was on

1488
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 5: a barge and I swear I saw an arrow floating

1489
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 5: down the river.

1490
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: Uh, Jordan's good to have you, man, Mike, good to

1491
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: have you been our host. He's been hosting us this

1492
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: week quite a bit. Mister Thad has been hosting us

1493
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: to who's over here here, But uh, I really appreciate it.

1494
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna come cat fishing with you, man it I

1495
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: wanted to.

1496
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 4: Go some squirrel hunt catfish combo.

1497
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I'm in, count me in. Yeah, all right,

1498
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: thanks guys. Mhm