Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, presented by DraftKings Sportsbook, where we
Speaker 1: don't know if we did or didn't raw dog on
Speaker 1: the flight over here. I am Greg Rosenthal at the
Speaker 1: Greenwood Sports bub here in London, and yes it's a
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears bar in the middle of London. And Nate
Speaker 1: Matt asked me a question before the show. I'm here
Speaker 1: with Nat Coombs and Ollie Connolly, two of my favorite
Speaker 1: voices over in the UK, talking American football as you
Speaker 1: guys would call it.
Speaker 2: And you asked me a question. I didn't know the
Speaker 2: answer to.
Speaker 3: Nat.
Speaker 4: We got to put the context of the rule dog
Speaker 4: reference within the first five seconds off the show. We're
Speaker 4: going to give that context. So as Ollie as you
Speaker 4: bought me up here, pretty stand a question, Greg, how
Speaker 4: was the flight? Did you rule dog on the flight?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know what raw dog means, but not
Speaker 2: in the context of a flight. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Not having Well, I know what it means, but in
Speaker 1: the context of a flight, what not having a drink
Speaker 1: or something else to be along the way?
Speaker 4: That's a part of it. Yeah, it's a kind of
Speaker 4: extreme in flight movies, there's no nothing, you're just staring meditate.
Speaker 4: You're without to go to the bathroom on.
Speaker 5: I feel quite sure.
Speaker 6: I think you're supposed to just sit in a zen
Speaker 6: like stage for as long as the flight you can't move,
Speaker 6: you on toll you can't do.
Speaker 4: Anything, which is actually how I prepare for this show.
Speaker 2: No, I did not row dog.
Speaker 1: I did not have any drinks, but I did crank
Speaker 1: through a decent amount of Love is Blind season seven
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever we're on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like three three episodes.
Speaker 1: Did some prep for this show because I knew I
Speaker 1: had to keep up with you guys. Nat Coombs, of course,
Speaker 1: is the announcer on Talks for Radio. He's got his
Speaker 1: own podcasts, the Nat Coombs podcast You get you gotta
Speaker 1: check it out. And Ali Connelly is getting it done
Speaker 1: on the Read Optional podcast. He's finally gotten rid of
Speaker 1: worrying about soccer and he's focused on the most important
Speaker 1: football And yeah, you're doing that podcast twice a week
Speaker 1: with John Ledyard and it is.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely great.
Speaker 1: If we can do one thing here, it's getting people
Speaker 1: to check out the Nacoons podcast and sign up for
Speaker 1: the Read Optional.
Speaker 4: This plug podcast central. I want to put in context
Speaker 4: for all your American listeners. Ollie and I so Olli
Speaker 4: is one of the most prominent x's and those guys
Speaker 4: in the game. I mean, i'd say globally, but definitely
Speaker 4: the UK. He's like an MIT professor. I'm like the
Speaker 4: fourth grade high school teacher that comes into school, takes
Speaker 4: roll call and then puts on a movie for forty
Speaker 4: five minutes for the rest.
Speaker 1: That not true, not true. But we will be cranking
Speaker 1: through all the games. And yes, Nat, you do have
Speaker 1: a way with presenting. And I met Nat and Will Gavin,
Speaker 1: who's going to be on the show on Sunday with
Speaker 1: me and Alie. I think it was about eight years
Speaker 1: ago covering a Rams Giants game back. NFL Media actually
Speaker 1: paid for me to come out and write about the game,
Speaker 1: which is hard to imagine them doing now.
Speaker 2: And that was yeah, case keen last start as in La.
Speaker 1: Ram and I remember asking the question the Jeff Fisher
Speaker 1: would he be benching them after the game, and he
Speaker 1: said no, and then two days later he did, and
Speaker 1: the Jared goff Era started in Los Angeles. We will
Speaker 1: get to every game. We're basically doing the same previous
Speaker 1: show that we do each and every week. We'll get
Speaker 1: to the game at Tottenham in a little bit, but
Speaker 1: we go through the games in reverse order of the
Speaker 1: point spread, so the closest point spreads first. So we
Speaker 1: will start with one of my favorite topics these days,
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. The Buffalo bill is going to
Speaker 1: New York two and a half point underdogs. Ali, you're
Speaker 1: one of the foremost Nathaniel Hackett defenders in the media.
Speaker 6: Explain why I'm not a defender. I would like the
Speaker 6: criticism to be accurate. I think there's a sense out
Speaker 6: then I read this everywhere, and I've seen this on
Speaker 6: TV and people I really respect saying that the Jets
Speaker 6: were in a prehistoric offense old every running Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 6: offerense from ten years ago, and it's just factually inaccurate.
Speaker 6: They have tried to do plenty of things. They've run
Speaker 6: basically the core elements of the Matt Laflor offense. When
Speaker 6: you just go through number by number of what they're running,
Speaker 6: it is identical to what they did in the second
Speaker 6: MVP season together.
Speaker 5: In Green Bay.
Speaker 6: The only one that's slightly different is the motion rate. Well,
Speaker 6: if the guy hates motion, maybe you don't want to
Speaker 6: run it at such a high level. But it's a
Speaker 6: it's a normal ish level and is higher than like
Speaker 6: the commanders who are clubbing everyone over the end in
Speaker 6: the league right now. So I'm not critical of like
Speaker 6: the architecture of the offense. I think Nathaniel akintst Doon
Speaker 6: a terrible job. I think that the mechanics and the
Speaker 6: details of the offense are really poor. He's always been
Speaker 6: a bad play caller. But the actual design of the
Speaker 6: offense is pretty standard and fine.
Speaker 5: They run a lot of the stuff everyone else runs.
Speaker 4: It's quite a big drawback if you're an offensive corner
Speaker 4: and you're a bad right, that's right.
Speaker 7: So they are.
Speaker 1: They are running a lot of the cool stuff that
Speaker 1: other people run. Before we started, I got to look
Speaker 1: at your computer and you're out there diagramming plays by yourself,
Speaker 1: like writing it all down of like that they're writing.
Speaker 1: They're doing some of the same stuff that By and
Speaker 1: Lafleur does. It just doesn't look as good when it's
Speaker 1: maybe not sequenced as well, or if Aaron Rodgers maybe
Speaker 1: that's not the right offense for him, because when it's
Speaker 1: worked this year, and I think Aaron Rodgers has thrown
Speaker 1: the ball quite well, like when he's just sitting there
Speaker 1: and kind of ripping the ball. He's still a very
Speaker 1: talented thrower of the ball overall, Like if you add
Speaker 1: it all up, I would say he's he's still an
Speaker 1: above average starting quarterbacks certainly, And I was worried about
Speaker 1: him coming off the Achilles in everything. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: all like work together very well. And he clearly could
Speaker 1: have defended his guy Robert Sala, who says he has
Speaker 1: a great relationship with But if you had a great
Speaker 1: relationship with him, you could have told your owner during
Speaker 1: that conversation, like how much you believe in him?
Speaker 2: And I have to believe that did not happen.
Speaker 4: You would think about quarterbacks and decline it always remember
Speaker 4: or remember the old Hemingway line, how did he go
Speaker 4: broke gradually then suddenly right right? That doesn't appear to
Speaker 4: be happening with Rogers. To your point, there are flashes moments,
Speaker 4: passages of a game where you think, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 4: gonna have a season. For the ages, the Patriots game
Speaker 4: springs to mind, and I know it's the Patriots, but
Speaker 4: you think, okay, this is all rolling. He's zipping it,
Speaker 4: he's moving, it's working. And then you see the dysfunction
Speaker 4: that we saw on Sunday, the whole salad situation. I
Speaker 4: heard you guys cover it brilliantly on your show earlier
Speaker 4: this week. My favorite part of all of that was
Speaker 4: the Woody Johnson line that he talked to Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: about it and salad didn't come up in conversation, Like
Speaker 4: we believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean, but even if you do, I kind of
Speaker 1: believe it. But even that is, like Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: saying on the mcav show, like people think I have
Speaker 1: a lot more power than they actually do. Like he's
Speaker 1: a smart guy, Like there's such a thing as soft power,
Speaker 1: Like he knows that not bringing up Robert Zell and
Speaker 1: not having a full throat of defense, and then in
Speaker 1: the very same interview saying like, I think our new
Speaker 1: coach jeff Aulbrick is going to bring accountability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know in a way that we need in the.
Speaker 1: Building and that we need accountability all throughout the roster.
Speaker 2: Like that's enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I may be naive on this, but I really don't
Speaker 6: believe he had anything to do with it. I just
Speaker 6: don't think that's the way he operates. I think he's
Speaker 6: a pretty massive, aggressive guy. And it would come in
Speaker 6: drips and drabs, and him not mentioning on a phone
Speaker 6: call is why you would get to the decision like
Speaker 6: he's good with it, rather than him being the person
Speaker 6: who would walk into an office, pick up the phone
Speaker 6: himself and say, hey, it's time to move on.
Speaker 4: But isn't isn't the you know the point Greg's making
Speaker 4: that the silence speaks volumes, and that he if Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers is telling what he Johnson, we need him, he's
Speaker 4: got to stay. Then Salad doesn't go, does he? No?
Speaker 6: I think when you just run through what's wrong with
Speaker 6: them this season, the number one thing is the offensive
Speaker 6: line has been.
Speaker 5: Terrible, right, It's been brutal.
Speaker 6: They can't run the ball, they can't protect, they can't
Speaker 6: pick anything up in the blitzcheme. Most of that, to
Speaker 6: me falls on the general manager, Joe Douglas.
Speaker 5: Then you've got the issues with the offense.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he've detailed a million times between both Rodgers
Speaker 6: and Hackett and the entire staff. And then you get
Speaker 6: to the bottom rung and it's Robert Salar and his
Speaker 6: defensive and the culture and leadership of the team. At
Speaker 6: least in my opinion, well, only one of those you
Speaker 6: can really change the GM. Changing the GM midstream changes
Speaker 6: nothing for your locker room. That Rogers is not going
Speaker 6: to get bench. He's not Gonnall allow Nathaniel Ak to
Speaker 6: be fired. We've already heard that he's not going to
Speaker 6: be out.
Speaker 5: Of the building.
Speaker 6: So the only thing they could pull to try and
Speaker 6: change things midstream would be to let cell ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it with this ownership group before
Speaker 1: that you get angry and you make a change, not
Speaker 1: for change's sake, but just because I need to do something.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for Robert Sally, you can look at all
Speaker 1: brick and kind of think like they can still run
Speaker 1: this same defense and maybe it'll just be a little
Speaker 1: different vibes and the vibes will help, or it just
Speaker 1: looks like we're doing something when you look at this
Speaker 1: matchup though, like defensively, the Jets going up against this
Speaker 1: Bill's offense, which I also don't know exactly what to
Speaker 1: think about right now, Like, how do you think the
Speaker 1: Jets defensively match up against Josh Allen coming off of
Speaker 1: this nine for thirty game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they match up pretty well. I think
Speaker 6: the consumer will be how well Can the Bills run
Speaker 6: the bowl? The Jets just not built in any way
Speaker 6: to try and stop the run. The Bills have played
Speaker 6: really heavy this season, bunch of heavy personnel, bunch of
Speaker 6: extra line and set, so that would be the concern.
Speaker 6: Then can you get into favorable down and distance? The
Speaker 6: Bills of being a team that struggled to convert on
Speaker 6: third downs this year, So that's what they'd be looking at,
Speaker 6: is how well can they move the ball on early downs?
Speaker 6: Can they get easy completions on first down? Can they
Speaker 6: move the ball that way? It's just a weird offense
Speaker 6: in the sense to those first three weeks, every single
Speaker 6: thing they did felt like it was clicking and moving
Speaker 6: and it was all very much about play design and
Speaker 6: movement and Joe Brady and Josh Allen pick in the
Speaker 6: right spots.
Speaker 5: Now, then the next.
Speaker 6: Two weeks, you see when it becomes a game of
Speaker 6: talent and just like let's play some matchup ball.
Speaker 5: That's where I think from.
Speaker 6: The preseason concerns about the receiver room of being exposed.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, James Cook miss practice on Wednesday. Will see.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot that as we're taping this,
Speaker 1: we'll find out more Nate Hackett might be losing play
Speaker 1: calling by the time people hear this, which would be interesting.
Speaker 1: On the other side, I think they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: You have a great offensive line on balance, and you
Speaker 1: have Josh Allen. I think they have a good enough
Speaker 1: coaching that they can make the rest of it work.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't miss Khalio secure as much as they did
Speaker 1: last week, but he's probably the guy that Josh Allen
Speaker 1: trusts the most. When you look at these two teams,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the Bills coming off of a pretty
Speaker 1: rough stretch too desperately needing to win. This is it's
Speaker 1: kind of similar to me to the Bengals Ravens matchup
Speaker 1: last week, where the future of this division is going
Speaker 1: to feel a lot differently, like based on how this
Speaker 1: game goes.
Speaker 2: The Bengals won that game.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ravens won that game last week, and
Speaker 1: now they're like two games clear of the division. If
Speaker 1: the Bills win this game on the road, the Jets
Speaker 1: are in a world at two and four.
Speaker 4: And that's the crazy thing about the timing of this decision.
Speaker 4: Right like this, you know, conceivably they go into it's
Speaker 4: not in a different alternate reality and sound is still
Speaker 4: there and they're going to win this and they're in
Speaker 4: to your point, they're in relative control, or at least
Speaker 4: they've got the you know, momentum, they've got the they
Speaker 4: are on the front foot divisionally, so the timing feels incredibly.
Speaker 4: I have a super quick question. Yes, you both thought
Speaker 4: on the Jets ground game.
Speaker 2: Please take take feel comfortable to Jumpman and the host year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just go for it.
Speaker 4: Yah, yeah, yeah with the ground game, why is the
Speaker 4: Jets grand game? Sony?
Speaker 6: How long do we have? Offensive line has been really poor? Obviously,
Speaker 6: they're trying to do an awful lot of things. You
Speaker 6: go watch the game on Sunday twenty nineteen, of their
Speaker 6: first twenty two plays are in a congested, tight formation.
Speaker 6: They're doing the things Matt Lafleur did when Rogers was
Speaker 6: really cooking. They're the wrong game was really good when
Speaker 6: Rogers was winning those MVPs. And they just can't block anyone.
Speaker 6: They are using Titans who just are not rosterable players.
Speaker 6: Like it sounds brutal, but it's just the reality and
Speaker 6: that they're doing Mike McDaniel type wind back blocks and
Speaker 6: really cool creative things that just have no hope of
Speaker 6: working with its talent they have, and they would just
Speaker 6: at this point be better off doing the thing they're
Speaker 6: being accused of, which is, yes, go and run the
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers offense. That is what they've done most of
Speaker 6: the season, which has burned their first twenty five plays,
Speaker 6: trying to run the offense that Matt Lafloor had back
Speaker 6: in Green Bay.
Speaker 5: He doesn't look. They hit the head against the wall.
Speaker 6: They pivot mid stream and say, like, this isn't looking.
Speaker 6: Let's go and run the stuff that irons kumple with.
Speaker 6: He picks at the line of scrimmage. They just drive
Speaker 6: down the field. That's actually way they've looked at the best,
Speaker 6: at least for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just they give up so much
Speaker 1: penetration in the running game, like they the average you know,
Speaker 1: yards before contact, which you know there can be some
Speaker 1: wonkiness in the stats, but it's all backed up when
Speaker 1: you watch it.
Speaker 2: There's no room for brees Hall to run.
Speaker 1: I've always thought Breesall is a little bit overrated as
Speaker 1: a back because I don't know how much that he
Speaker 1: creates on his own. He's a very explosive player, but
Speaker 1: I think if you're in a situation like this where
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get the run blocking, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of negative plays. They've been more successful
Speaker 1: when they run it with Braylen Allen because you know
Speaker 1: he'll get what's blocked and maybe a yard for it.
Speaker 2: He'll fall forward.
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy, but there's no cohesion. I think
Speaker 1: that was a really great point by Ali on the
Speaker 1: running backs and the tight ends, because now when I
Speaker 1: just think in my head through the running the game,
Speaker 1: the plays that have failed, like, yeah, their offensive line
Speaker 1: has been up and down. Tyron Smith has looked older,
Speaker 1: which makes sense, like he is older, Like he just
Speaker 1: had that year last year where everyone was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is back. But it's a lot to ask
Speaker 1: him to be so good. And on the interior, they've
Speaker 1: kind of been matchup dependent. When you play a good front,
Speaker 1: they haven't been good. And this is a good front
Speaker 1: for the most part for Buffalo. I love Buffalo in
Speaker 1: this game. By the way, a little tease maybe for
Speaker 1: my show later this week with Neil Reynolds where we
Speaker 1: picked the games against the spread. I just think it's
Speaker 1: it's a big game for them. I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: see this. My last quick thing on this and we
Speaker 1: can't go this long in each game, but this is
Speaker 1: the most fascinating game of the week for me. Is
Speaker 1: the Josh Allen conversation from last week. Like, thinking about
Speaker 1: this game, just from a practical lens, I am concerned
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is potentially coming off of a concussion
Speaker 1: that was not reported.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It was crazy to see him come back in that
Speaker 1: game after what you saw visually and the smelling salts,
Speaker 1: and there was also a big hit he took week before,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's okay to like have some
Speaker 1: concern here for him as a human and for how
Speaker 1: that's gonna translate to how he's playing on the field,
Speaker 1: because he was one for nine after that that massive hit.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's what's performance pysically ever, right in his
Speaker 4: entire career of the back.
Speaker 1: Right, but like all the incompletions that happened before that,
Speaker 1: like he was playing up and down but the football
Speaker 1: was getting to his receiver's hands for the most part,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. I think the NFL should be taking
Speaker 1: a little more heat than yeah, he did for that
Speaker 1: entire process.
Speaker 2: Like him and Jakwan Brisker.
Speaker 6: I am, I just cannot understand why it has not
Speaker 6: been a way biggest storyline that it seems pretty evident
Speaker 6: and pretty obvious, not only from the fact that we
Speaker 6: see the video of the head hitting the ground, not
Speaker 6: only that we see the smelling salts and him looking
Speaker 6: confused pre smelling salts and waking up a little bit
Speaker 6: post smelling salts as you would expect.
Speaker 5: But you mentioned the accuracy.
Speaker 6: When he's throwing after the hit, it does look like
Speaker 6: he's trying to pick between the multiple people he's seeing
Speaker 6: down the field and hoping one of them is the
Speaker 6: correct guy. So yeah, it should be to me a
Speaker 6: way biggest storyline. It's something i'd be concerned about.
Speaker 4: And I guess Petilldy what you know. We think about
Speaker 4: the two concussion and.
Speaker 1: The oh his back it was his back in the
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you all you Dolphins fans are up in
Speaker 1: arms about that.
Speaker 2: It's like, how come they're not cheating him the same
Speaker 2: as the to a thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, you got a fair point. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go to Titans hosting the Colts this week. See this
Speaker 1: is where we can save some time. Two and a
Speaker 1: half points, uh, they're favored, they're coming off the bye week.
Speaker 1: It does look like it's gonna be Will Levis. There
Speaker 1: is no QB controversy in Tennessee. He is fully practicing,
Speaker 1: so it seems like he is gonna be back out
Speaker 1: there again. It's this is a little bit of a
Speaker 1: mystery box, as they're not announcing that Levis is officially
Speaker 1: the starter, but they said if he's healthy, he's gonna start,
Speaker 1: and he did fully practice on Wednesday. We don't know
Speaker 1: for sure if Anthony Richardson is starting in this game
Speaker 1: or if it's Joe Flacco again. They said, if Richardson
Speaker 1: is fully healthy, he's gonna start. I tend to think
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be Richardson. Jeffrey Simmons is probably back
Speaker 1: for this game. Quity Pay and Kenny Moore are probably
Speaker 1: back for this game, which is crucial because last week
Speaker 1: the Colts made the Jaguars look so good on offense,
Speaker 1: and the Colts are thirty second in the league, dead
Speaker 1: last in yards per drive allowed. So Gus Bradley has
Speaker 1: this thing where it's like, yeah, we're gonna bend and
Speaker 1: won't break, and we'll keep things in front of you
Speaker 1: and I'm watching the game and they don't keep things
Speaker 1: in front of them.
Speaker 4: And breaking simultaneously right, and.
Speaker 1: They've had a lot of injuries up front, and they
Speaker 1: it's just like an average talent with probably a below
Speaker 1: average scheme and a lot of injuries.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's rough.
Speaker 1: So it could be a bit of a get right
Speaker 1: game for the Titans and their running game, and Will
Speaker 1: loves Will Levis.
Speaker 4: Comeback starts right here. I feel that is partially responsible
Speaker 4: for Will Levis because week one of the season, we're
Speaker 4: doing our live radio show on Talk Sport and Olly Thornton, who,
Speaker 4: of course you both know Ollie Thornton, who is a
Speaker 4: long standing.
Speaker 1: Everyone in our UK American football like society is either Ali.
Speaker 4: Or effected me.
Speaker 1: He's no offense to Ali Wilson though, but we had
Speaker 1: the number one Ali here.
Speaker 4: We drafted Wilson Thornton Propo, who is yeah, long standing
Speaker 4: part of the NFL community over here. I messaged him
Speaker 4: maybe about twenty five thirty minutes into the season, this
Speaker 4: is now a legendary something that will be brought up
Speaker 4: against me for years to come. I think Will Levis
Speaker 4: is legit. Subject was the message I said, So I
Speaker 4: personally feel responsible for the decline of will Lewis on
Speaker 4: the Colts. One of the main narratives I think in
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks has been do they have
Speaker 4: a better chance of making the playoffs with Joe Flacco?
Speaker 4: Was supposed to Anthony Richardson. I don't think that matters, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, is there any point in squeaking into the
Speaker 4: playoffs and probably going out first round with a vet
Speaker 4: like Flacco when you got to work out if this
Speaker 4: is your quarterback of the future, your franchise. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know why that question is being thrown out.
Speaker 4: Why don't even mean considered as a strategy?
Speaker 5: Well, I think, look, everyone wants to win.
Speaker 6: It's really high pressure. These guys got mortgages to pay,
Speaker 6: they got jobs and job lot as. They want to
Speaker 6: climb up. If you have the best chance to win
Speaker 6: with Joe Flecco. Anthony Rickson has barely played any football.
Speaker 6: He didn't play much football in high school, he barely
Speaker 6: played in college. He's had very few starts in the
Speaker 6: NFL because of injuries. If there's a way you can
Speaker 6: kind of like use a bit of chicane or you
Speaker 6: by saying, like, hey, the injury is not totally he'll
Speaker 6: take another couple of weeks, particularly in this matchup, because
Speaker 6: the main thing for the Titans is they can stop
Speaker 6: the run really effectively. They actually don't have a really
Speaker 6: dominant as Rush Binny Stripes, even though they're really eye
Speaker 6: up and all the events metrics. Defensively, their pressure rate
Speaker 6: is really low. It's concentrated essentially one player for the
Speaker 6: most part. Arden Key gets some, but it's mostly Howard Landry.
Speaker 6: They're cycling through seventh round picks and undrafted free agents
Speaker 6: who are doing absolutely nothing for them in the past. First,
Speaker 6: so if you're facing a team you know struggles to
Speaker 6: get off the ball and has the juice to stop
Speaker 6: the pass, why would you not put the guy who's
Speaker 6: way more methodical and can dim it down the field
Speaker 6: as opposed to bringing Rison back where I tway more
Speaker 6: boom bust, you a more room game concentrated. It's actually
Speaker 6: much it wise would make more sense to me to
Speaker 6: just roll with Fleco anyway.
Speaker 1: That that does make sense, And yet you just have
Speaker 1: because of the lack of starts. Richardson it said you
Speaker 1: have this is the year that you have to get
Speaker 1: him those starts. The chances of making the playoffs with
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is in theory incrementally better. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that would actually play out, and either even then,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's especially high. If this defense doesn't
Speaker 1: get any better. Since we last tape, they announced Michael
Speaker 1: Pittman is going to miss multiple weeks. Josh Downs was
Speaker 1: out of practice. He finished that game, so I would
Speaker 1: expect that he's playing. My fantasy pickup of Josh Downs
Speaker 1: is feeling better every week Josh Downs can play, although
Speaker 1: all those guys are probably a little happier when Flaco's back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I watched that Flacco game too, and it
Speaker 1: was very similar to last year with the Browns. Whereas
Speaker 1: you can watch the Joe Flacco game and look at
Speaker 1: the box score afterwards and be like man through two quarters,
Speaker 1: like through a big.
Speaker 2: Chunks of Joe Flacco games.
Speaker 1: He's making some crazy decisions and missing some throws too.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's.
Speaker 1: All you know with Joe Flacco, but his great throws
Speaker 1: are great, and he is he's not afraid, and he's
Speaker 1: fun to watch.
Speaker 6: He plays not afraid is the point. It's almost the
Speaker 6: point of boredom with him. He just like gets the
Speaker 6: ball out and he looks like he's like dulls by
Speaker 6: the fact that he's completing throws.
Speaker 5: It's just like, Okay, this is what I'm asked to do. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously with rich and you get the upside. They
Speaker 6: got to find out what they have, but they got
Speaker 6: issues up from with the offensive line. He is not
Speaker 6: a guy who's figuring out the protections and all the
Speaker 6: mechanics and that stuff. They got a Ryan Kelly injury.
Speaker 6: They got an injury right tackle. They got to figure
Speaker 6: out if that's to go this week. I think it's
Speaker 6: difficult to drop someone in and when you rip Ryan
Speaker 6: Kelly out the lineup and they do a lot of
Speaker 6: different things in the protection, will you take him out?
Speaker 6: And you've got to have Richardson do that stuff or
Speaker 6: a backup coming and do that stuff that now you're
Speaker 6: going to consume when you're facing a team you should
Speaker 6: really be able to attack with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a bit of a relevance ball here
Speaker 1: because if Titans lose at home to the Colts at
Speaker 1: a time I mean, people have probably written them off already,
Speaker 1: but that would be the time to do it.
Speaker 2: At one in five you're you're in a very good spot.
Speaker 1: Then again, if the Colts get to two and four,
Speaker 1: they are also in a tough spot. So a big
Speaker 1: game for these two teams at actually in the AFC South.
Speaker 1: All Right, it is time for the Sneaky Good Game
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Speaker 1: Chargers Bronco says the sneaky Good Game of the week
Speaker 1: just because I'm these two teams. I just don't know
Speaker 1: what to think about either of these teams. The Chargers
Speaker 1: are favored by three on the road in Denver, which
Speaker 1: is an amazing amount of disrespect from Vegas for the Broncos.
Speaker 2: After the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: This is a three and two team with a legitimately
Speaker 1: good defense who are playing a Kami Kazi like style
Speaker 1: of game. They are blitzing at a fifty four rate
Speaker 1: on first down, which is which is just wild. And
Speaker 1: they are they're creating like the the third highest pressure rate,
Speaker 1: or they're playing against the team rather who's giving up
Speaker 1: the third highest pressure rate in the in the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is surprising.
Speaker 1: You you thought their offensive line was gonna be great,
Speaker 1: and they're they're a strange team because Herbert is getting
Speaker 1: rid of the ball pretty quickly, but on the plays
Speaker 1: that he is in, it's like he's holding it on
Speaker 1: a long time and he's getting hit quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Joe all and the right at right tackle and Rossan Slater.
Speaker 1: We're back at practice for this game. They're going up
Speaker 1: against a great cornerback duo. I could put Riley Moss
Speaker 1: in a sentence with great right now, he's playing well.
Speaker 1: At least he's playing well enough because he's supported by
Speaker 1: the pressure. How do you see it when the Chargers
Speaker 1: have the ball ali against this defense, which has been
Speaker 1: pretty fun to watch.
Speaker 5: They've been so good.
Speaker 6: Zach Allen has been one of the best players in
Speaker 6: the NFL, and he's still one of the underrated players.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's been dominant inside. What's so fun about
Speaker 6: watching them is how well they just play as a collective,
Speaker 6: as a unit. They all perform their roles like to
Speaker 6: an unbelievable degree. Everything is built as a as a
Speaker 6: group rather than having different you mentioned the blitz packages.
Speaker 6: It's not built in a way to feature one person
Speaker 6: or to try and tilt the protection in one way.
Speaker 6: It's a really layered design where everyone has to be
Speaker 6: like at the absolute apex step, I was down and
Speaker 6: down out. So the fact it's humming so well when
Speaker 6: there's so many moving eastes, everyone has to perform those
Speaker 6: three and here he guys have been unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's gonna be a difficult one.
Speaker 6: I just don't think that the challenges right now have
Speaker 6: enough like easy get out escape valves. So when the
Speaker 6: pressure is arriving, unless it's love McConney, who's been really
Speaker 6: really impressed, probably should have way higher production than he
Speaker 6: actually has, and we get mcconchney on must I think
Speaker 6: at some point it's going to break the internet.
Speaker 5: I think we'll get that at some point.
Speaker 2: Yes, Riley Moss has been breaking barriers.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm genuinely surprised it's not a bigger story that
Speaker 1: a white cornerback is out here making like I mean,
Speaker 1: he most a guy on an interception last week that
Speaker 1: was a fantastic play. All the metrics are fantastic for him.
Speaker 1: He's certainly supported by the coverages rolled to his side.
Speaker 2: But yeah, McConkie's playing well.
Speaker 1: I thought their last game before the bye was certainly
Speaker 1: the game where you saw the most mcconkee from college
Speaker 1: come out, and so that's exciting to see. On the
Speaker 1: other side, bo Nicks has averaged two point two yards
Speaker 1: per attempt when under pressure this year, which is just
Speaker 1: like a wild stat Like as much as they're building
Speaker 1: him up as he's a great leader and he's a winner.
Speaker 1: The best news for him not just the defense playing great,
Speaker 1: but Javante Williams has played well the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: They have gotten a pretty traditional running game going two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row, and I think that's the way
Speaker 1: you got to attack the charity.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talked about the charges banged up O
Speaker 4: line and Joel if he's back, that's a massive plus,
Speaker 4: But the Broncos alies be banged up as well, so
Speaker 4: you got to put that in context a little bit.
Speaker 4: Bonus fascinates me because it's that draft and I'm definitely
Speaker 4: gonna get into Michael Pennocks and then later on I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna trail that right now, that draft and all that,
Speaker 4: it seems to be a really divisive pick half Roughly,
Speaker 4: while it's a reach, they're panicking, they just need someone
Speaker 4: they've got anyone other half Peyton knows what he's doing.
Speaker 4: He knows his guy, He's got his guy, so you
Speaker 4: part of that. Now into the role that they're on,
Speaker 4: they're starting to get a bit of a mentality argument
Speaker 4: that they do the bat on the sidelines last year,
Speaker 4: which has blown out of proportion ridiculously. But what that
Speaker 4: told me was that Nick's not afraid to step up.
Speaker 4: Peyton clearly likes what he sees Nixon very safe hands.
Speaker 4: I think out of all of that class or amongst
Speaker 4: that class, preseason, pre draft Bonix trajectory, where it is now,
Speaker 4: I think he's landed.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're you're taking the cheese here. I'm
Speaker 2: not buying it. Like these two teams in this division, like.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be built up a little bit by their
Speaker 1: schedules all year, and like every week they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a winnable game for the Broncos.
Speaker 2: It's partly scheduling. They're doing what they can.
Speaker 1: He's actually been pretty effective when he chooses to run bonecks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna give him.
Speaker 5: I'm not buying the Bonnick stuff.
Speaker 6: I even go back, there's been some level of progression,
Speaker 6: but to me, it's mostly being them, Like ripping out
Speaker 6: core elements to their offense to let him do things
Speaker 6: that are really really basic and easy for him to do.
Speaker 5: They still have operational issues.
Speaker 6: They still struggle again plays out of the huddle, They
Speaker 6: still struggle with the play clock. He can't really drive
Speaker 6: anything down the field unless it's moving and creating in
Speaker 6: some way. And this happened with Sean Payton, It's happened
Speaker 6: with him before. It happens at times in New Orleans,
Speaker 6: it happened with Russell Wilson, where the offense only looks
Speaker 6: really functional when it's the two minute drill or someone's
Speaker 6: trying to like creates me out of the structure of
Speaker 6: the offense. It just still feels baked in twenty thirteen
Speaker 6: to me. And I will give him some credit. He
Speaker 6: has over the past three weeks like thrown in new
Speaker 6: things that Nick's running college. I think he realized, like
Speaker 6: the guy was, you know, staring in the headlights in
Speaker 6: the first couple leaks and just throwing up a bunch
Speaker 6: of panic balls. But he just screams to me of
Speaker 6: a guy who unless they're running all the screens, they
Speaker 6: run like fifty to open the week last week, unless
Speaker 6: you're really putting him in that shell. He's going to
Speaker 6: give the defense opportunities every single year.
Speaker 1: Now I am selling bonetes at least like right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not counting out like Seohn Payton can build him
Speaker 1: up over of course the time, but he's still a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2: And this is a tough matchup.
Speaker 1: You know, Denver's getting all the love on defense, but
Speaker 1: Jesse Minter and this Charters team, I'm not exactly sure
Speaker 1: what they they're doing, but it's been very sound.
Speaker 2: It's fundamental.
Speaker 1: They're getting my guy Kristin Fulton playing at a high
Speaker 1: level at cornerback. I think like overall, like they are
Speaker 1: number two in the league right now in DBO eight
Speaker 1: and again at that's very much.
Speaker 2: I think about their schedule.
Speaker 1: They've had a very beneficial schedule for opposing offense, you know,
Speaker 1: for their defense.
Speaker 2: But I think they could lock it down.
Speaker 1: This is this is like a ten to nine game,
Speaker 1: which sounds about right, all right.
Speaker 2: Chargers win.
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Speaker 1: going to Vegas. This is the Iron Eagle Charles Davis game,
Speaker 1: which means like there's not a lot going on on
Speaker 1: CBS on Sunday or in the AFC in general. Since
Speaker 1: we last tape, they announced Christian Wilkins is potentially out
Speaker 1: for the season, but he's definitely on irty, definitely out
Speaker 1: for a while. He hadn't made quite the impact that
Speaker 1: I expected this year, maybe because there's been other injuries there.
Speaker 2: On the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Max Crosby is now in the maintenance portion of his
Speaker 1: season where he's like only playing on Sundays but not
Speaker 1: practicing throughout the course of the week. Alex high Smith
Speaker 1: is out for this game for Pittsburgh. Herbig is out
Speaker 1: for this game for Pittsburgh. Cordrell Patterson is out. They
Speaker 1: might get Jalen Warren back. I do feel like there's
Speaker 1: just so many injuries that I got to just bring
Speaker 1: that up at the beginning because that makes such an impact.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to think about this, like what's
Speaker 1: left of this Steelers team. But this Vegas defense, which
Speaker 1: was supposed to kind of be their calling card, has
Speaker 1: been just you know, they went with a defensive coach,
Speaker 1: hoping there would be carry over there and it's just
Speaker 1: been and now they don't have Christian Wilkins for a while.
Speaker 2: You're your guy from Miami, my guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it when he left the I mean
Speaker 4: the O'Connor getting the starting job, of courses, and that
Speaker 4: whole battle I think has been has been fascinating. Petini,
Speaker 4: when you mentioned Antonio and.
Speaker 1: You've recovered me there as a good broadcaster, I should
Speaker 1: have mentioned that we have a new starting quarterback here
Speaker 1: for the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2: How does it really matter?
Speaker 4: Will ask the question, I guess And when Piss got
Speaker 4: the gig as the interim gig after the injury, cigars
Speaker 4: in the locker room once McDaniel's were one of my favorite,
Speaker 4: I think moments in the history of the NFL when
Speaker 4: players are celebrating with his cigar McDaniel's is gone. That
Speaker 4: was one of his first calls was to was to
Speaker 4: make O'Connell the start, so he obviously he obviously likes
Speaker 4: likes him. It was literally mins she got the start
Speaker 4: at the start of the season. Is it going to
Speaker 4: tangibly markedly uplift him. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: talk of the pick six that Mins threw and his
Speaker 4: confidence went and he's obviously such a confidence player. Again,
Speaker 4: are they looking at a younger quarterback that they think
Speaker 4: they might be able to build something around? Is that
Speaker 4: the upside here for the rest of the season for them?
Speaker 1: Then maybe he's not even that young of a quarterback.
Speaker 5: They are.
Speaker 6: They are on full on locker room meltdown watch for
Speaker 6: me and I love Antonio.
Speaker 5: I love the vibes. I think that was really fun.
Speaker 6: The back of the last season where you've got the
Speaker 6: DeVante Adams situation. You go Phil a raider for now
Speaker 6: You're going to AOC and that is going to be
Speaker 6: a mess within three weeks.
Speaker 5: A lot like why did we do that? The go
Speaker 5: back to the other guy?
Speaker 1: That's guy For a second, I was like, is this
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a hey, you want to
Speaker 1: come back like when you get healthy Devonte, because he
Speaker 1: had pretty good numbers with AOC.
Speaker 6: He has good numbers with everyone. He's Devonte Adams. He
Speaker 6: could play with me and not and he would do
Speaker 6: a pretty good job.
Speaker 2: You've been on the corner of that.
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams on film does not look no like he's
Speaker 1: declining much. I mean, maybe he's down a little bit
Speaker 1: from super peak, but that and and yeah, you can
Speaker 1: kind of see it in his big last game that
Speaker 1: he played.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, like five Max, and you take
Speaker 6: five tmcent away from Devantie Adams, you go from the
Speaker 6: best receiver in the league to one of the best
Speaker 6: receivers in the ship. It doesn't make that much of
Speaker 6: a difference. So yeah, I know there's a money situation.
Speaker 6: But if you are a team out the Bill's Chiefs
Speaker 6: Jets who have a looking for some kind of help,
Speaker 6: to me, it would be a no brainer. It's not
Speaker 6: one of these stock declines. And you know, OK, for
Speaker 6: someone from two seasons ago, he's still a major difference makeup.
Speaker 1: And Belichick is on underdog talking with Matt, Patricia and
Speaker 1: Lombardi and it's like, you can't you.
Speaker 2: Can't give up a second.
Speaker 1: That's two way, like two bigger prices, And that does
Speaker 1: seem to be the consensus, and I'm thinking, are what
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? First of all, he gave
Speaker 1: up a two for most anew we've seen him like
Speaker 1: once you actually get on draft day, people are thrown
Speaker 1: out two just to go up eight spots in the
Speaker 1: second round. But then you get into the season and
Speaker 1: they get so locked in and people say, well, it's
Speaker 1: the contract, it's the contract.
Speaker 5: This year.
Speaker 2: He's actually quite affordable.
Speaker 1: So as long as you can fit him in, and
Speaker 1: not every team can seamlessly, but basically every team can.
Speaker 1: And it like even the teams like the Saints could
Speaker 1: figure it out by starting to renegotiate elsewhere.
Speaker 2: He's not that expensive this year.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what his situation in terms of
Speaker 1: wanting guaranteed money, but his next two years are exactly
Speaker 1: where you would expect them to be. They're not They're
Speaker 1: not a crazy mount so on that front, like I
Speaker 1: don't I don't get it. But Pierce actually said if
Speaker 1: he's healthy, like we expect him to play again for
Speaker 1: the Raiders, we'll see if that happens. Just like very
Speaker 1: quickly the Alkanell versus Minshew think oh connell takes a
Speaker 1: lot of chances actually, Like they're kind of similar ish
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to me, except O'Connell he doesn't have a big arm,
Speaker 1: but I think he'll he'll maybe even go deeper down
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: I think you're looking for some kind of difference.
Speaker 6: I think Antonio piss is to it that they are
Speaker 6: pretty much the same profile of play, a slightly different
Speaker 6: body type. But when you just kind of like look
Speaker 6: through the body of work and what they actually do,
Speaker 6: that that pretty much the same player. Maybe once its
Speaker 6: slightly more gambles than the other, but it's not like
Speaker 6: a MAGA difference, no.
Speaker 1: And so I think they're gonna struggle against the Steelers
Speaker 1: defense too, which is not the same defense without this
Speaker 1: defensive line and edge rushers.
Speaker 4: And so you've got it either right now, the thirtieth
Speaker 4: with the rights that is that can't run the bulls Dickinson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, yeah, the you could see the difference
Speaker 1: when they took her big out of the lineup on
Speaker 1: the Sunday night game that it was. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: big drop off to I think it's Isaiah lauder Milk
Speaker 1: who's like three hundred pounds and they're playing them out
Speaker 1: there as as an edge rusher, and so two banged
Speaker 1: up teams. Let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: back to talk about a fun game in the NFC
Speaker 1: Lions Cowboys after this, all right, we are back on
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Speaker 1: Lions favored by three points heading to Dallas. This is
Speaker 1: a fun one, a rematch of one of my favorite games,
Speaker 1: probably my favorite regular season game from last season. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't because of the weird, controversial ending, which was
Speaker 1: weird and fun and like annoying that it was controversial.
Speaker 1: It was for the other like fifty nine minutes of
Speaker 1: the game. This was an awesome game a year ago.
Speaker 1: Lions Cowboys. It feels like this is mostly the same
Speaker 1: version of the Lions team, but not the same version
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. Obviously, no Parsons for another week, no
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. We've taken out marsh Neelan, who's a you know,
Speaker 1: a solid.
Speaker 2: Edge player for them as a rookie.
Speaker 1: That they're banged up Dallas, and they're not the same
Speaker 1: on offense either.
Speaker 2: This time. It feels a little bit more of like
Speaker 2: a mismatch for the line.
Speaker 4: Yeah it does on paper for sure, logic prevailing, but
Speaker 4: we've seen so many teams right now that their season
Speaker 4: compleat roller either way. There are so many teams clustered
Speaker 4: and a number of teams that people are down on,
Speaker 4: And I look at Dallas with a fair amount of
Speaker 4: upside because they're still in the mix. Look at three
Speaker 4: or four things you mentioned. Demarks Lawrence had passons out
Speaker 4: and they still win a tight game without it. The
Speaker 4: ground game at the moment is non existence. Zeke's done
Speaker 4: thirty Carris for ninety eight yards. Dalvin Cook, that's talking
Speaker 4: about Abe reupping off.
Speaker 2: The practice squad maybe found something last week.
Speaker 1: I thought with the Steelers, it seemed like they went
Speaker 1: away from some of the zone stuff they were doing
Speaker 1: and just did what had worked for them better, Like
Speaker 1: their offensive line was it. It worked a little better
Speaker 1: for one week, So that gave them some hope in
Speaker 1: the right way.
Speaker 4: They're clearly the market for a receiver. They worked out
Speaker 4: Denzil Mims this week, Dotte Pettis as well. They might
Speaker 4: be in the Yeah, that will change it, but they might.
Speaker 4: They might be in the mix for the Davonte's REEP six.
Speaker 4: My point is, with all of this, they lead the
Speaker 4: league in penalties. That should statistically correct itself they're not
Speaker 4: in good shape. Yet they're still in contention. So the
Speaker 4: upside for Dallas is they get two or three of
Speaker 4: those things right or at least tangibly uplift in a
Speaker 4: division that is quite dysfunctional Washington not withstanding, and they
Speaker 4: could be in the mix.
Speaker 5: I don't see it personally.
Speaker 6: Their undefense is so bad, and I know they've slightly
Speaker 6: course corrected it slightly over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 6: when you go through some of the numbers, but it
Speaker 6: just structurally is so off, and they don't have the
Speaker 6: talent either. I think for this to sustain over the
Speaker 6: course of the season, you're facing it where they will
Speaker 6: gladly say let's run the ball eighteen of the first
Speaker 6: eighteen plays if it's cooking for us. So I think
Speaker 6: this has atendal to be a real ugly first half
Speaker 6: of Dallas.
Speaker 5: And I still watch it.
Speaker 6: I don't know what you think, right, but I still
Speaker 6: watched the Dallas offense and you know, they were driving
Speaker 6: the ball pretty comfortably against the Steelers, and Mike tom
Speaker 6: was saying just how well Dak Prescott played. I still
Speaker 6: watch it, and it always looks more difficult than.
Speaker 5: It should be. For them.
Speaker 6: Everything just feels like a beat off given some of
Speaker 6: the talent they have, how good Dak is. Dak doesn't
Speaker 6: move and create much anymore. He certainly doesn't scramble anymore.
Speaker 6: Everything just feels like they've turned on a degree of
Speaker 6: difficulty setting that is completely unnecessary and they could actually
Speaker 6: be more productive. So when you can't stop the run
Speaker 6: and it feels like hard work to generate offense, then
Speaker 6: I just don't think it's gonna write itself.
Speaker 1: Right in this matchup where it's the best running game
Speaker 1: in the league or one of the best running games
Speaker 1: in the league. And I saw the Lions practice report
Speaker 1: and like everyone practiced, and now you just don't see
Speaker 1: that in week six. Now they're coming off of a
Speaker 1: buy and so that's what you want. And yes they
Speaker 1: have a couple guys and I are, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, they're extremely healthy, especially on offense, and you
Speaker 1: just think they are gonna mash like this this Mike
Speaker 1: zimmer defense had he doesn't have the players to run
Speaker 1: the defense that he wants, and it seems like he's
Speaker 1: putting it on difficult mode for his players and maybe
Speaker 1: they don't understand everything. And then I hate to be
Speaker 1: too basic about it. But I totally agree on the
Speaker 1: McArthur thing. It's one where you watch the film and
Speaker 1: it really backs up those numbers with average separation and
Speaker 1: everything with Dak Prescott throwing into tight windows, and it's
Speaker 1: very twenty eighteen twenty seventeen Packers where everyone was saying
Speaker 1: the same things. It's like they just are trying to
Speaker 1: rely on their players to win and they're not winning enough.
Speaker 2: But the difference is.
Speaker 1: Those Packers at least had DeVante Adams, and yes, you
Speaker 1: have CD Land here, but the depth of the players. Sure,
Speaker 1: Jalen Tolbert is now your your number two. He's coming
Speaker 1: off like a decent game.
Speaker 4: But it's so I'm talking about upside. The downside though
Speaker 4: the sedut is brutal. I mean that he's brutal.
Speaker 2: They look at that rong whin last week was huge.
Speaker 1: Though to your point, if I was going to be optimistic,
Speaker 1: I never rule out teams that like have a quarterback
Speaker 1: and have a decent amount of talent, because so often
Speaker 1: teams in December just have no resemblance of what they
Speaker 1: are in October. So is there a world where they
Speaker 1: scrape out enough wins in the meantime, I think that
Speaker 1: Steelers win was one of them where you're just hanging
Speaker 1: around five hundred and things can somehow click in a
Speaker 1: different way in December when Lawrence and Parsons and Dak
Speaker 1: you do have Dak Prescott as you think as possible,
Speaker 1: that likely, But.
Speaker 4: The top of that permid right now this stage of
Speaker 4: the proceedings is the Chiefs, right. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: exactly what we're saying. The defense is driving the offenses
Speaker 4: on Monday night, okay, right, but for the majority of
Speaker 4: the season, Oh my god, that's still unbeating. They're not
Speaker 4: playing very well. So you think about this, it was
Speaker 4: relative upside here of talking about but there are a
Speaker 4: cluster of teams that are gonna be winning despite not
Speaker 4: playing particularly well. But despite that, they're still in the mix.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But it's one of those ones where while we judging
Speaker 6: the standard bye to me, they came into the season
Speaker 6: with championship expectations. This is the year, and I'm not
Speaker 6: saying they won't make the playoffs. I'm just saying there
Speaker 6: is nothing in what they're doing right now that will
Speaker 6: go toe to toe with a championship caliber defense, which
Speaker 6: is what they need to be they need to be
Speaker 6: offensively such a juggernal to cover up the fact that
Speaker 6: they can not stop anything on the ground defensively, and
Speaker 6: they're just so far away from it.
Speaker 5: And I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 6: You can usually figure things out, patch things up through
Speaker 6: the season, right I think Zimma will figure some things out.
Speaker 6: We know that mccauthy and Shotanaima. They're not changing the
Speaker 6: offense in the middle of the season. That's just not
Speaker 6: gonna happen.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I think windows are sometimes overrated, but I do think
Speaker 1: there are moments when you have a better chance to
Speaker 1: advance far in the playoffs. The Cowboys had a chance
Speaker 1: if you if you spun the dial a few different
Speaker 1: times last year and last year's NFC playoffs, I think
Speaker 1: they had a chance. I think this is not this
Speaker 1: This is not gonna be as good as last year's seems.
Speaker 2: And I think the Lions are right in the middle
Speaker 2: of their window.
Speaker 1: And I will be curious to see if Tyler Geyton
Speaker 1: seems to it starts in this game. He's a little
Speaker 1: banged up when he left that game. It maybe their
Speaker 1: offensive line maybe made a little sense where that was
Speaker 1: actually their best I've out there Tyler Smith at left tackle.
Speaker 1: I forget who who wasn't at left guard, but he's
Speaker 1: played at Tyler Bass who he's out there, and they
Speaker 1: actually looked quite good, I thought against Pittsburgh upfront in
Speaker 1: that game. All right, let's go to the Bengals. This
Speaker 1: is a Sunday night football game. Three and a half
Speaker 1: point favorites at the Giants. Yes, we're saving the Tottenham
Speaker 1: game for a little bit of a meteor talk a
Speaker 1: little later in the show. So this is the Mike
Speaker 1: Tarico game. There were some rumors out there that they
Speaker 1: were trying to get out of this game a couple.
Speaker 2: Of weeks ago because they were afraid of the Giants.
Speaker 1: Sure, now it's just like almost they needed to be
Speaker 1: more afraid of the Bengals, although I'm sure they're fine
Speaker 1: having Joe Burrow in prime time. The Giants are frisky
Speaker 1: like they had. It is all about expectations where they
Speaker 1: just feel like an average football team, and that feels
Speaker 1: enough above expectations that it's like, okay, you don't feel
Speaker 1: too bad about them. I heard they were blocked though,
Speaker 1: by the Washington like they wanted to take Washington, Baltimore
Speaker 1: and who CBS has that game and they blocked him
Speaker 1: and so they're stuck with this Giants, Uh Bengals game.
Speaker 1: Giants really need to Uh, they don't really need to
Speaker 1: win as much A two and three vote that Bengals
Speaker 1: really need to win at one in four. Like, the
Speaker 1: Bengals offense has been pretty awesome though the last few weeks, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you see them looking against a relatively frisky
Speaker 1: Giants defense?
Speaker 6: Ali, Yeah, I think the front in particular after a
Speaker 6: really disappointing couple and gopeen in weeks of the season,
Speaker 6: the three stop pastorses, I guess. Plus they've they've rolled
Speaker 6: through some guys on the interior have finally come alive.
Speaker 5: They just ragged all the Seahawks hope from last week.
Speaker 6: Ave On Thibodaux keve On Thibodau is alive and well,
Speaker 6: I'm hour rushing and being very.
Speaker 2: Out this week.
Speaker 1: Suddenly is he really week to week with it like
Speaker 1: a wrist injury that kind of came out of nowhere though,
Speaker 1: But you're right to have three players up front who
Speaker 1: are legitimate problems. Now it's two that's a good matchup
Speaker 1: against a good bengalsz Oo line.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and Lawrence has just been breaking games upon
Speaker 6: all on his zone, and you you get that kind
Speaker 6: of internal pressure. Borrow is a guy who and I
Speaker 6: know it's when you go back to Brady and what
Speaker 6: have you. Everyone struggled with internal pressure. Borrow particularly is susceptible.
Speaker 6: It's of internal pressure because he just doesn't like to bail.
Speaker 6: He wants to climb and move through the pressure. And
Speaker 6: so it's in his lab. Lawrence can just end this
Speaker 6: game for everyone. I think it's I think it's gonna
Speaker 6: be I think it's gonna be really close because day
Speaker 6: Ball is such an excellent one week to week game
Speaker 6: planner facing a defensive front that is just like an
Speaker 6: absolute travesty at the moment that I think the Giants
Speaker 6: will be able to hit some deep shots and have
Speaker 6: some pop plays and I think they'll they'll hang around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty first two points allowed, and this is you know,
Speaker 4: the Luhanna rum is one of the most highly regarded
Speaker 4: coordinators in the last five years, right, And that's what's
Speaker 4: faintly tragic about this Bengals site, because they are exhilarating
Speaker 4: to watch, They're entertaining because they're racking them up, and
Speaker 4: the defense and he's managed to build it the consistently
Speaker 4: without massive names like Dallas have had. He's built this
Speaker 4: powerful day over the years, which the alchemy is not
Speaker 4: working anymore. And you can be thinking about Borrow and
Speaker 4: everything with this situation. He's talking about contenders, the Bengals
Speaker 4: in the mix or not. And you're right. If they
Speaker 4: drop this, they're in trouble. If they win this, they
Speaker 4: got the browns necks, They're suddenly right back in. It's
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, is either John Alway of his generation borrow.
Speaker 4: John Elway's gonna be this sensational player that rolls and
Speaker 4: rolls full short in terms of championships and then has
Speaker 4: that last to run.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think he is right saying
Speaker 1: that with him as a quarterback, you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: chance to win every year. Yeah, you assume they're gonna
Speaker 1: get that Jamar Chase contract, Right, you do worry about
Speaker 1: like ownership that that like when they were in that
Speaker 1: game against the Rams, like it is tough to get
Speaker 1: back to that point where they had a lot of
Speaker 1: talent on that team. His ownership and the player acquisition
Speaker 1: gonna be as strong. I think Duke Tuban's done a
Speaker 1: good job, but you can see what happens. Like they're
Speaker 1: one and four in a season they expected to, you know,
Speaker 1: contend that they've been pretty good, like statistically against pressure,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is clearly not. But the Bengals have had
Speaker 1: no pass rush, like the worst team in the league
Speaker 1: in terms of passers, which is crazy because you have
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson and this Giants offensive line has helped to
Speaker 1: support my you know, most medium take that I've had forever,
Speaker 1: which is if Daniel Jones is protected, he's fine.
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna be a hero, but he's fine.
Speaker 1: Like he'll be He'll be like right there at the
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton line of the Dalton scale, where he's like
Speaker 1: a league average and he's played fine the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. And Ali, he's firing up his team trucking defenders.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's looking for contact in the running game,
Speaker 1: which does not seem like it's a good idea, but
Speaker 1: he was pretty effective. He's getting Theo Johnson involved, his
Speaker 1: rookie tight end. Like I could see them putting up
Speaker 1: a lot of points in this game, and like Bengals
Speaker 1: are probably marking this as a win, and it seems like.
Speaker 2: It's a dangerous game. I think it's a close game.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be a close game. I think
Speaker 6: it's gonna be an upset type situation. The Bengals defensively,
Speaker 6: it's just declined so rapidly. You mentioned, and what's with
Speaker 6: as you mentioned, like people take shots of Mike Brown.
Speaker 6: Totally understand that they don't invest a tone well, they
Speaker 6: don't invest in scouts, but they actually draft pretty well
Speaker 6: and every single season. I understand the contractual situation, but
Speaker 6: the big floor this season has been defensive line injured
Speaker 6: and lacking talent. Linebacker's aging and not playing very well.
Speaker 6: Safety is looking pretty cooked. Von Bell in particulars like
Speaker 6: it's actually sad to watch him play.
Speaker 5: At this point.
Speaker 6: But they've invested so much in that defensive line. You
Speaker 6: go by cap figure, you go by draft picks, the
Speaker 6: last four is they put everything into it, and it's
Speaker 6: comfortably the worst in the league. It's not even like
Speaker 6: close where it is compared toveone else. So to put
Speaker 6: that level of resources into it and to have declined
Speaker 6: so starkly is really jarring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned Dabo like he was in his
Speaker 1: bag last week, he's starting to feel confident. He has
Speaker 1: enough people around him, and this offensive line has been
Speaker 1: good good, certainly good enough, maybe even more. They can
Speaker 1: have a running game with Tyrone Tracy showed up last week.
Speaker 1: Chase Brown's look good on the other side. We got
Speaker 1: to move on, though.
Speaker 4: Let's go to kind of a quick line of Daniel Jones,
Speaker 4: because I want to talk about one of my best
Speaker 4: makes is a Giants fan. Is this perennial nightmar he's
Speaker 4: in that Janiel Jones starts to play after a difficult
Speaker 4: patch and this is fine at the end of the road,
Speaker 4: starts to play, hence in the contract he's gone a course,
Speaker 4: starts to play well, and that it's gonna be saddle
Speaker 4: with him.
Speaker 2: No, no, forever.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from like Giant, like Danny Haifaz said
Speaker 1: that on NFL Daily too. Is like, are we getting
Speaker 1: back into this question now? I thought we've settled that question.
Speaker 1: But what you want is to him play at a
Speaker 1: reasonable enough level this year that he can get a
Speaker 1: fine contract elsewhere next year you can be happy for
Speaker 1: him and that you can just watch more entertaining football.
Speaker 2: Life is short.
Speaker 1: You'd rather win these games and have some meaningful mid
Speaker 1: December games. I think they're trending that way where they're
Speaker 1: gonna like win eight games, which is it's not that exciting.
Speaker 4: But is he the cousins of his generation?
Speaker 2: Now? He could be the Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like just Kobe's a good bounce around
Speaker 1: be in the league, like be a guy that you're
Speaker 1: fine starting Teddy Bridger. That was all that is my
Speaker 1: medium take people acting like that he's like the worst
Speaker 1: player in the league, but he needs protection. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Bucks. Saints very excited that Spencer Rattler
Speaker 1: is getting his first NFL start. The Bucks are favored
Speaker 1: by three and a half in this game. Look, there
Speaker 1: are in a significant portion of the Saints fan base
Speaker 1: that are actually excited to see Spencer Rattler. That it's
Speaker 1: It's Rattler time. The agenda has been out there most years.
Speaker 1: This would be a difficult spot going up against a
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles defense. They've been they'll throw a lot at you,
Speaker 1: and the offensive line for the Saints has come back.
Speaker 2: To earth after That's very kindly a great start.
Speaker 1: What do you think ali of Spencer Rattler as a prospect,
Speaker 1: and do you think this Saints like offense could could
Speaker 1: do enough positive things around him that actually he'd put
Speaker 1: in a fun performance.
Speaker 6: I think he can certainly put in a fun performance.
Speaker 6: He to me, is gonna be a red zone darling.
Speaker 6: This could be like Levis type stuff where we get
Speaker 6: these really crazy wild players, then we get the bone
Speaker 6: and a turnovers.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 6: I fell into the camp of my mid round quarterback
Speaker 6: love was Spencer Rattler, and I watched all the games
Speaker 6: at South Carolina, and I know how bad a lot
Speaker 6: of it was. Or when you just break him down,
Speaker 6: he's got the arm talent, he's intelligent, he can move
Speaker 6: and make players with his feet.
Speaker 5: So he just strike me.
Speaker 6: As one of these guys who's gonna wind up having
Speaker 6: like a six seven, eight year career where he just
Speaker 6: winds up being in different spots and he can move
Speaker 6: the ball. I'm excited to watch him. In the first
Speaker 6: game you mentioned, Tom Bowles Balls has been blitzing a
Speaker 6: ton and blitzing in a way that almost no one
Speaker 6: is in the league right now. He's got his kind
Speaker 6: of own thing going on compared to the rest of
Speaker 6: the league, and most of it is to take away
Speaker 6: really short, quick outlet things. It's very we mentioned as
Speaker 6: old school offenses. The way Balls is attacking people right now,
Speaker 6: it's going right back to what he did with Rex Ryan,
Speaker 6: and it's a very old school style of blitzing compared
Speaker 6: to when you look at the other people up there, Vans, Josip,
Speaker 6: Brian Flores. They are doing something brand new and different
Speaker 6: to what anyone.
Speaker 5: Else is doing.
Speaker 6: So it's concerning matchup for me because I think the
Speaker 6: line is actually not that good. They got away with
Speaker 6: it in the first couple of weeks of the season.
Speaker 6: McCoy goes down, they get injuries on the right side,
Speaker 6: and you would just say, typically to your young quarterback
Speaker 6: right if you see the heat, just get it out.
Speaker 6: We replace the blitz so we keep the game moving.
Speaker 6: The way Balls is attacking people is built to make
Speaker 6: you hold onto the ball, and I think Spetzerratla has
Speaker 6: a chance to be a developmental guy, but him holding
Speaker 6: onto the ball in his first start makes me a
Speaker 6: little bit cloosy.
Speaker 1: It always is on my radar, the extra rest when
Speaker 1: you're the Monday night team on a short week playing
Speaker 1: the Thursday night team on a particularly long week. It
Speaker 1: was why I was on the Giants last week against
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I don't know, maybe that's overthinking, but that
Speaker 1: seems like a significant difference having five days extra rest,
Speaker 1: and yeah, with a rookie quarterback, they have weapons on
Speaker 1: offense for Rattler to play with. But on the flip side,
Speaker 1: like that's the matchup where you're expecting the Saints defense
Speaker 1: to carry them, they've been okay, Like they've been fine.
Speaker 1: You've got Lattimore matching up against Mike Evans. That's that's
Speaker 1: been a matchup that's included more routes like cornerback on
Speaker 1: wide receiver than any cornerback on any wide receiver. Like statistically,
Speaker 1: it's a fact according to Next to the stats since
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen or whatever. So that's fun. But it's actually
Speaker 1: one of those years. I think the Bucks offense matches
Speaker 1: up fine with him. The Bucks offense has been pretty
Speaker 1: good all year, Like they feel pretty comfortable. The running
Speaker 1: game certainly is had ups and downs, but getting better.
Speaker 1: But as a passing attack, I think they're getting the
Speaker 1: best out of Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4: Yeah on that. So two things. Firstly, just jumping back
Speaker 4: red Zone Darlings is the perfect name for a band
Speaker 4: if I'm going after this show and do that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Liam Cohen from The McVeigh Tree, Right, And it's fascinating
Speaker 4: watching the Baker evolution. In simple terms, he's just become
Speaker 4: more controlled. Everything is a big calmer, right. And we
Speaker 4: because Baker was his straw love and the head budding
Speaker 4: and all the all the animation as a player. This
Speaker 4: year as a quarterback, they've adapted and he's adapted them.
Speaker 4: It's really really clinic clinical at times, which is surprising.
Speaker 4: I think when you think about it, they can make
Speaker 4: May feel less led offense two point four to three seconds.
Speaker 4: That's the quickest of his career in terms of release.
Speaker 4: He's got a career low seven point two percent of
Speaker 4: throws twenty yards or more downfield. This isn't all new
Speaker 4: Baker who's working right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been quite surprising to see Baker like he
Speaker 1: was good in that Atlanta game too. They're really getting
Speaker 1: him out of his worst instincts because one of his
Speaker 1: worst traits is he takes a ton of sacks. And
Speaker 1: that's still the case. He still takes a ton of sacks,
Speaker 1: like in terms of the amount of pressure that gets
Speaker 1: on him, but the pressure never gets there because he's
Speaker 1: throwing to his first read so often that you kind
Speaker 1: of never get to that bad baker. I do think
Speaker 1: he's gotten away with like getting into scramble mode. It's
Speaker 1: worked at a higher rate than you've probably it's still
Speaker 1: not working all the time, but like he he has
Speaker 1: escape pressure a decent amount this year on scrambles at least,
Speaker 1: Like how have you thought that Liam Cohen experiment was
Speaker 1: gonna Because I was skeptical coming in. He felt like
Speaker 1: a little like one wrong above Alex Van Pelt of
Speaker 1: like Shanahan Tree left, Oh.
Speaker 2: Don't tell you that has picked over.
Speaker 1: They're like, let's take that Brands, Let's take like who's left. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's Cohen over there at Kentucky. But you're pudding
Speaker 1: him well ahead, Yeah, outrageously rude.
Speaker 5: Outrageously rude.
Speaker 6: He did really cool things at Kentucky. I think, you know,
Speaker 6: I go back and forth with you on like the
Speaker 6: use of motion, how people will just put the motion
Speaker 6: shots up and if your emotion you must be a
Speaker 6: really innovative mine. Cohen to me through the first stretch
Speaker 6: of the seasons, mean the best coach in the league,
Speaker 6: having a purpose to the motion, the way He's able
Speaker 6: to move a manipulate the defense to create voids. Is
Speaker 6: why Baker's just gunning Good and gunning White. It don't
Speaker 6: come out so quickly. He will use formation and motion
Speaker 6: to manipulate one on one so Mike Evans, which is
Speaker 6: not an easy thing to do. I thought in the
Speaker 6: off season it was an upbrade going from Canals to
Speaker 6: Liam Cohen. I feel they got the best part of
Speaker 6: that deal of Canalo's moving gone. I think for the
Speaker 6: first few weeks the season, They've got serious issues in
Speaker 6: the run game that I just don't know how they
Speaker 6: can quite address as we head towards the middle of
Speaker 6: the year. But to me, it's been an improvement in
Speaker 6: the pussing game in the way that he's maximized everyone,
Speaker 6: most notably Biga.
Speaker 1: I am curious also in this game, can the Saints
Speaker 1: running game get back. I mean, normally you think of
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers as like a great run defense. They haven't
Speaker 1: been statistically this year at all. They are getting healthier,
Speaker 1: they had a lot of injuries. Colijah Cantsey I believe
Speaker 1: is back at practice. They've been banged up, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like the Saints team is not going to
Speaker 1: work unless they can get the most out of Kamara
Speaker 1: and the most out of that zone running scheme, which
Speaker 1: like they had something special for a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and then everyone was like, this is how we're gonna stop.
Speaker 1: It does not seem like they have a counter right now.
Speaker 1: I like the Bucks in this game. Let's go to
Speaker 1: uh Packers and the Cardinals, And yes, it is time
Speaker 1: for the Game of the Week presented by Draft King Sportsbook.
Speaker 1: The Packers are five point favorites in this game. This
Speaker 1: is the Kevin Coogler Darryl Johnston game. I just kind
Speaker 1: of think of this Packers run game and how they're
Speaker 1: throwing so much at opposing defenses, and it's just been
Speaker 1: a great kind of backstop for any other issues that
Speaker 1: this team has had. And I'm still waiting for a
Speaker 1: normal game out of Jordan Love, Like everything is just
Speaker 1: boom or bust, just like a little crazy out of him.
Speaker 1: They have that running game which is so creative and
Speaker 1: so explosive, and there's not a lot of reason to
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals defense is going to be able to stop.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing they brought in Jonathan go and
Speaker 4: to uplift a d right it isn't working so far
Speaker 4: statistically in most most categories are the wrong end of
Speaker 4: proceedings there. I guess the hold against the Niners mind
Speaker 4: act is a kind of catalist galvanized a little bit.
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson that first round in training. He could be back.
Speaker 4: That will be a big lift as well. But yeah,
Speaker 4: right now, and you think about the Pakasto line is strong.
Speaker 4: I mean this one to me feels packs.
Speaker 1: All the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I feel bad for Gannon. I mean he's been dealt
Speaker 6: at a pretty rough card. He's got the youngest defense
Speaker 6: by far in the NFL. They don't seem to have
Speaker 6: that much talent. They certilly know that much times. It's
Speaker 6: clearly the weakest group of pass rushes in the league,
Speaker 6: and he's not running anything close to what he ran
Speaker 6: in Philadelphia, which is built around a four man rotation
Speaker 6: of pass rushes. You get eight guys and you just
Speaker 6: cycle through every other down who you want in there.
Speaker 6: That's gonna take, you know, a couple of years to develop.
Speaker 6: I do think it's they're way further along in their
Speaker 6: process than I thought they would have been. They are
Speaker 6: competitive every single week. They great upsets with a defense
Speaker 6: that is lacking a bunch of talents. So but in
Speaker 6: this game of particularly, I thought it's funny you mentioned
Speaker 6: with Jordan love.
Speaker 5: It's not even to me boom or bus. It's like
Speaker 5: everything all the time.
Speaker 1: It's just that's what I mean, that's sort of what
Speaker 1: I'm getting it, Like, can we get like one normal
Speaker 1: car drive?
Speaker 5: One drive of normalacy would be nice.
Speaker 2: It's everything.
Speaker 1: It's reminding me of how he used to play in
Speaker 1: the preseason, which I when he wasn't the starter until
Speaker 1: you'd watch those games closely.
Speaker 2: And it'd just be like I'd just be.
Speaker 1: Like an explosion and it is fun, but it seems
Speaker 1: a little out of control.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really smacks of when he came back and
Speaker 6: he was wearing the FUV Josey like he spent the
Speaker 6: timeway just grinding through fall film was like, this is
Speaker 6: the cool way to play football. Like it definitely is,
Speaker 6: Jord and I love it, but it's not gonna help
Speaker 6: the team win games consistently. He seems like he's having
Speaker 6: the most fun. So he's good at avoiding sacks.
Speaker 1: You mentioned this is not a good pass rush, and
Speaker 1: so that's a mismatch where he'll have time, so it
Speaker 1: should be a fun matchup. They're probably getting Christian Watson
Speaker 1: and Robio Dobbs back.
Speaker 2: Watson was back at practice.
Speaker 1: Dobbs is apparently over being upset that like Tucker Craft
Speaker 1: was getting featured in the game plan last week, or
Speaker 1: Dantavian Wicks was. I don't know what he was upset about,
Speaker 1: but they they calmed that down.
Speaker 2: I mean, he might have had a point.
Speaker 1: Wix didn't really come through in a big spot for
Speaker 1: all his fantasy owners out there. Fun game though, Like
Speaker 1: even then, like five points at this point feels like
Speaker 1: a lot to give.
Speaker 6: Like Kyler, I think, I think kylea is gonna dice
Speaker 6: through that defense pretty effectively. They have no pastrust. They
Speaker 6: only get a pastrust when they send five.
Speaker 5: That the best in the league.
Speaker 6: When they send six, No one sends six very often.
Speaker 6: And Kyla's being in his back this season is goblin
Speaker 6: got precious, So I think the Kyle's got real Ton
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he was that practice. We don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: but that would be an interesting matchup him and Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1: He has tended to travel a little bit with better receivers.
Speaker 1: Harrison's been quite inefficient with the targets that go to him,
Speaker 1: He'll be fine though that was a crazy fine, but
Speaker 1: it just yeah, this year they're not like it's just
Speaker 1: like a lot of hope balls. They've been pretty efficient
Speaker 1: offensively when they're not throwing to him.
Speaker 6: Yea, actually, yeah, his gravitational pull is actually being the
Speaker 6: most like valuable thing he's brought to the team essentially.
Speaker 6: And it's weird because they don't have chemistry yet within
Speaker 6: the flow.
Speaker 5: Of the offense. You know, they're doing a lot back
Speaker 5: shoulder stiff and that is off. The timing's not great.
Speaker 6: They beat at that best is when they just both
Speaker 6: try and figure it out on the fly. You know,
Speaker 6: remember the Rams touched down the big boot in the
Speaker 6: tunnel the sideline that was completely like a bolting what
Speaker 6: the play was supposed to be.
Speaker 5: They just figured it out together.
Speaker 6: So they're actually beta when he's not the primary and
Speaker 6: then if it's not there, they can go and kind
Speaker 6: of do stuff on it.
Speaker 1: Kyler always seems to be reacting to what happened the
Speaker 1: previous week, like if he just goes bananas on the Rams,
Speaker 1: like then he just started playing freestyle like crazy the
Speaker 1: next week, and that didn't really work.
Speaker 2: And then he didn't run it all one week and
Speaker 2: everyone's like, you should run more.
Speaker 1: And then he ran all over the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: last week and played really well, so they're a better
Speaker 1: offense when he does run the ball. That'll be fun
Speaker 1: to watch. Let's take one more break. We'll be back
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Speaker 7: Very cool.
Speaker 1: We just walk in here, you see it, like right
Speaker 1: right across from the tube.
Speaker 3: I walk.
Speaker 2: I walked all the way here from the hotel. Actually
Speaker 2: it's like two and a half miles. But I just
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get any exercise. That would be it.
Speaker 1: And you know, listen to the music. That's my happy place,
Speaker 1: like see the bookshops.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: But you're you're getting close and you see like the
Speaker 1: Bears graphics and everything as you come up. Our friend
Speaker 1: Henry Hodson told me last week like the official sports
Speaker 1: pubs were literally running out of beer, like mid Friday
Speaker 1: they sold They have reservations throughout the weekend. It is
Speaker 1: sold out the whole weekend here. We have to get
Speaker 1: out of here actually not fairly soon, but we'll be
Speaker 1: good because they have reservations and it's like all booked
Speaker 1: up later.
Speaker 2: So it's very cool to be in London and see
Speaker 2: that sort of representation.
Speaker 4: This pub was so last week. Don't tell anybody this right,
Speaker 4: but this is the Vikings headquarters. Last week it was
Speaker 4: a three games stand in London. So the Vikings took
Speaker 4: over the pub last week everything, so they turned it
Speaker 4: around pretty quickly. It's kind of like you know Met Life,
Speaker 4: you know, from a Jets game to the Giants game
Speaker 4: within a week. But we did a great night with
Speaker 4: Chris Carter, the legend Jake Reid as well. We went
Speaker 4: to all of three Deep. Randy mostn't travel, so it
Speaker 4: was Chris Carter and Jake Reid. What I mean, what
Speaker 4: a character Chris Carter is? What that was?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 4: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: He is not afraid to speak his mind.
Speaker 1: It wasn't possibly like lost him some jobs like in
Speaker 1: the league and at ESPN.
Speaker 4: But it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun to listen.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's roll through these big points freakings
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk the Tottenham game Falcons minus six
Speaker 1: at Carolina kind of the Dalton bump, you know, hit
Speaker 1: a little bit of a standstill last week when when
Speaker 1: he had to play like a better defense. But now
Speaker 1: he's up against like and not so great defense.
Speaker 4: So I got a London edge of this one, right,
Speaker 4: So this is Dalton. If you remember Dalton Cousins back
Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen, I want to say, probably one of
Speaker 4: the best games in London ever the Tide game, the
Speaker 4: Washington Cincinnati Tige game, which I did annoyingly. I wasn't
Speaker 4: at the game. I was in a studio BBC studio
Speaker 4: up north in Manchester where the BBC have bb Support,
Speaker 4: have their base with Ocum and Europe of course, uh
Speaker 4: store of both.
Speaker 2: The host on BBC, which just kind of a big deal.
Speaker 4: Back in the day. Yeah, and and Mike Carson, who
Speaker 4: your British listeners will know. Legend of the game over
Speaker 4: here at longtime partner in crime who dressed unusually for him,
Speaker 4: super sharp suit and glasses. And when I posted something
Speaker 4: out on social media saying we're ready to do the game,
Speaker 4: everyone thought it was Bill Gates and I played a
Speaker 4: logo that for all anyway, that was the game we did,
Speaker 4: and I think it was probably Oliad if you agree.
Speaker 4: One of the best best line of games ever is
Speaker 4: an absolute thriller.
Speaker 2: And they're not that different, now are they? They're not
Speaker 2: that different?
Speaker 5: No, not different.
Speaker 6: This game to be has a chance, I think, to
Speaker 6: be the scoring game of the week. When you look
Speaker 6: at them, I know that the Ans have got the
Speaker 6: issues up for an offensive line, injuries sent to right God,
Speaker 6: but neither's Eco rushed us.
Speaker 5: They are the two US teams in the league by
Speaker 5: pressure rate.
Speaker 6: Whether they send pressure, whether they don't, they just don't
Speaker 6: get after anyone. So this has a chance, I think
Speaker 6: to be a real fun back and full of drive
Speaker 6: after drive after drive type game.
Speaker 1: I liked how much like Kirk was trusting it. This
Speaker 1: was something I wrote down I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: Ali about, like his numbers this year when he's not
Speaker 1: pressured are insanely good. When he is pressured there. They're
Speaker 1: insanely bad. Everyone was like, this isn't gonna last. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to start having him move, do some play action. Actually,
Speaker 1: whenever they've done that, it hasn't really worked. They didn't
Speaker 1: really do it in that Thursday night game. He's just
Speaker 1: sitting back there and having confidence his guys are gonna
Speaker 1: be where they need to be, and they've shown that.
Speaker 1: One thing they've proven is they have enough offensive depth
Speaker 1: in terms of their weapons, like Darnell Mooney is helping out,
Speaker 1: like they can get other guys involved, But can do
Speaker 1: you think that can work long term? That that he
Speaker 1: is kind of just sitting back there as a statue
Speaker 1: and throwing the ball beautifully, very similar to Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: in a way that when he has time, it's like
Speaker 1: people forget he is.
Speaker 2: A beautiful thrower of the football.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and your look alike and my look alike.
Speaker 6: That's why I defend him all the time at a
Speaker 6: plus plus anticipation thrower. The anticipation throwers of the day
Speaker 6: was the throw to Donald Mooney for the touchdown. I
Speaker 6: don't want to boil listeners too much. That throw never happens.
Speaker 6: It's not designed to ever up in that way. That
Speaker 6: route is a clear out route to push the coverage
Speaker 6: back and you rip it underneath, you maybe throw it
Speaker 6: as a novel law based on the coverage. He threaded
Speaker 6: it between three players to playing well. I'm not even
Speaker 6: sure if he actually intended to throw that ball. Mooney
Speaker 6: goes up and gets it. The thing that I think
Speaker 6: is the concern is him playing that like spread out
Speaker 6: forty five drop backs a game. He's had multiple drop
Speaker 6: picks already this season. I just don't think that you
Speaker 6: can live that way with Listens. I think if he's
Speaker 6: in there, he dropped buck Range. I don't think they
Speaker 6: necessarily need all the play action stuff you mentioned, but
Speaker 6: they definitely need some kind of compem with the Room game.
Speaker 6: We'll get more of a screen game involved to be
Speaker 6: able to do it effectively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing all this outside zone in the running
Speaker 1: game and it's not really working with John Robinson. You
Speaker 1: hope they can kind of figure that out, because they're
Speaker 1: really not.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: They're not accentuating him just as much or worse than
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith. It they are using Drake London in a
Speaker 1: positive way. He's playing a lot out of the slot.
Speaker 1: They're targeting a ton When he's in the slot, they
Speaker 1: are throwing.
Speaker 2: The ball to him.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the Panthers offensive line. Yeah, Taylor Moton,
Speaker 1: who's their best offensive lineman, is out of this game.
Speaker 1: He had one of those crazy snap streaks going. He
Speaker 1: had missed a game for one hundred and twenty straight games.
Speaker 1: So they lost their center and Moten will be back
Speaker 1: pretty soon, it sounds like, but he's out this week
Speaker 1: and Corbett, their center, is also out for the week.
Speaker 1: So this week I think it can work for Kirk
Speaker 1: to just rip it because he's not going to face
Speaker 1: any pressure. Long term, we'll see Washington at Baltimore. The
Speaker 1: Ravens are somehow favored by six and a half in
Speaker 1: this game. That's like a number where they're they're begging
Speaker 1: everyone to take Washington because they think, actually this will
Speaker 1: be the on some level, the numbers say it might
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a comeback to Earth game
Speaker 1: for Washington. Like Jaden Daniels just had like a normal
Speaker 1: game last week and that was fine, Like they still
Speaker 1: were outstanding, So it shows that they're more on offense.
Speaker 1: I actually wanted to talk Ravens offense for a bit.
Speaker 1: Their offense has been a lot better than people expected,
Speaker 1: Like they were a great offense last year. Sure, they're
Speaker 1: the number one running game by EPA, by DVOA, by
Speaker 1: like orders of magnitude, but they're actually the number one
Speaker 1: passing game too by DBOA, so extremely efficient. You see
Speaker 1: the receivers like wait, like very open for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: He's making good decisions. So it's a plus matchup again
Speaker 1: against this Washington Commander's secondary. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean the you know, the cliche book on
Speaker 4: Lamar is well, it doesn't have the arm of those
Speaker 4: top ten players, and it's not a nonsense I think,
Speaker 4: and it's been proved to be that this season. Two
Speaker 4: hundred and eleven yards a game is what they're averaging
Speaker 4: on the ground, which means they keep up this clip,
Speaker 4: they're on pace to beat their own record this season.
Speaker 4: But this is a this is a decent run dye
Speaker 4: against the Washington have They're going up again, So that
Speaker 4: is going to be fascinating just on this game. The
Speaker 4: other thought of mine, given rehabilitation story seems to be
Speaker 4: one of the big narratives of the season, Sam Donald,
Speaker 4: I guess, being that the number one rehabilitation stories so far.
Speaker 4: I think Cliff Kingsbury has got to be a close second, right, yea,
Speaker 4: I mean Kingsbury has reinvented his reputation in this space
Speaker 4: of about six weeks.
Speaker 1: Right, what have you thought about what they've done with
Speaker 1: their running game? These are maybe the two best running
Speaker 1: games in the league in terms of just like been
Speaker 1: cool the watch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the offensive line for Washington has gone so
Speaker 6: under the radar. They've played unbelievable centers, the artists being
Speaker 6: by far Blager's best football Cosmi at right guard has
Speaker 6: been really good. They resigned before the Season's kind of
Speaker 6: on of those funky contracts, Like is he really that
Speaker 6: kind of player?
Speaker 5: Evidently he is, Cliffs.
Speaker 6: I mean we've been to a cliff before where you know,
Speaker 6: he kind of like throws it out early in the season,
Speaker 6: you get to week six, week seven, it comes crashing down.
Speaker 6: He kind of got all the funds without the way.
Speaker 6: What's different this year is he's just completely redefined his
Speaker 6: run game. It is almost identical to what Harball was
Speaker 6: doing with Alex Smith and Colin Kaepnick back in San Francisco.
Speaker 6: He has just clearly gone to study that stuff. A
Speaker 6: lot of the Greg Roman stuff and then just transported
Speaker 6: it over. They move more than everyone, right, They're pulling
Speaker 6: and wrapping people all the time. It is the most
Speaker 6: diverse run game by a good amount. And this is
Speaker 6: the first real real test for that offensive line who's
Speaker 6: been so good. The Browns was a first like initial test.
Speaker 6: They handled Myles Garrett so well. This is the first
Speaker 6: time they're facing the front wear like five, six, seven
Speaker 6: positions are.
Speaker 5: Really really, really good. So it's a big, big test.
Speaker 1: Right, Can they go a little pass first, because that's
Speaker 1: how you attack the Ravens they're so stout up front,
Speaker 1: or do you stick with what's kind of gotten you here? Look,
Speaker 1: if the Ravens want to get in man coverage, and
Speaker 1: they're relatively high in man coverage, Jaden has just been
Speaker 1: the best scrambler in the league again, like that, like
Speaker 1: Lamar is the best just pure runner. But if you
Speaker 1: look out like QBR like rushing value this year, Jayden
Speaker 1: Daniel is actually number one in the league because he's
Speaker 1: just killing you with like eleven yard runs on third
Speaker 1: and nine whenever they play man coverage.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he Actually they're doing something really interesting in
Speaker 6: the blitz game. They all crushing the blitz because they
Speaker 6: all cool leaving unblocked runners in a way that you
Speaker 6: don't ordinarily do in the NFL. You never in the
Speaker 6: NFL allow a free runner through the middle of a
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. That's just not allowed. You take away,
Speaker 6: you allow a free run at the perimeter because the
Speaker 6: coolds back and seek and throw it behind it.
Speaker 5: They have freed up to say, Jada can.
Speaker 6: Beat people, and we saw against the Browns right three
Speaker 6: times that just now you don't expect him to make
Speaker 6: three people misslike that. But they have changed some of
Speaker 6: their rules in a way that defenses don't actually know
Speaker 6: now how to approach this stuff. So what Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 6: is then obviously Daniels is being incredible.
Speaker 5: The whole machine is just clicking.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you're a yeah, if you're a
Speaker 1: running game dork, this is this is the game. Like
Speaker 1: Washington they were reminding me of like they were running
Speaker 1: some like like they look like the Hogs out there
Speaker 1: last week at the way they're in their guards and
Speaker 1: stuff and just powerful. But then there's Baltimore, which on
Speaker 1: their option plays, both options are so good. And I
Speaker 1: don't just mean like obviously Lamar and Derek Henry are
Speaker 1: both so good. I mean when you watch the playback
Speaker 1: a lot of times it feels like, actually, Lamar.
Speaker 2: You should have kept it.
Speaker 1: The right read was to keep it. You would have
Speaker 1: had a big run. But he's handing it off and
Speaker 1: Derek Henry's getting anyways for seven yard, so it's really cool.
Speaker 1: I we did want to mention Dean P's is in
Speaker 1: the building. You talked about reclamation projects, some nice stories.
Speaker 1: Dean P's is back. They brought him out of retirement.
Speaker 1: I've been kind of struggling defensively, and he's a consultant
Speaker 1: there with Zach Orr.
Speaker 4: I love that because I talking at Washington. I like
Speaker 4: the rivera del Rio Tantum because it was kind of
Speaker 4: getting close to one of my dreams. As you will not.
Speaker 4: Greg talked about it on the show in the past.
Speaker 4: Is having if I ever get to become an NFLGM,
Speaker 4: he's having a coaching staff that is Satarian as a
Speaker 4: minimum seventy plus.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a good choice.
Speaker 1: He probably coached Zach Orr, who is now the coordinator,
Speaker 1: back in Baltimore when dak Or was like twenty two
Speaker 1: years old. I mean, Zach Gors might be the youngest
Speaker 1: coordinator in the league.
Speaker 2: So that's good.
Speaker 1: A little dnpiece coming back in the league. Houston minus
Speaker 1: seven at the Patriots. I like the Patriots covering this.
Speaker 1: That's that's a lot for me, and I've been pretty
Speaker 1: down the Patriots had their safety Julius Jabrill Peppers rather
Speaker 1: put on the commissioners exempless. Yeah, after a very troubling
Speaker 1: arrest last week. Of course, it's Drake May's first game,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a tough matchup for his first game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not one that you would and it's really
Speaker 6: interesting when I understand the debate, and I'm sure you've
Speaker 6: spoken about whether they should starts and whether you don't,
Speaker 6: and it does feel almost like a icon of fold
Speaker 6: to lose the building decision rather than this is exactly
Speaker 6: what the plan is. And I get he gives him
Speaker 6: the best chance to win right now because he can
Speaker 6: move and he's got a stronger rom He's just a
Speaker 6: mure talent to play the jacou Brissette. But I do
Speaker 6: think throwing him to the Wolves like this in his
Speaker 6: first game is a real real one and even if
Speaker 6: he plays well and they sneak the winner, I think
Speaker 6: it's there's gonna be some pretty brutal moments.
Speaker 1: I've been through this argument, so I won't repeat it,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 2: Playing in the NFL is hard.
Speaker 1: This game will be harder than the next handful, which
Speaker 1: look easier on paper, but you're gonna have really hard games.
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette was and played well. I'm more like the
Speaker 2: Drod Mayo.
Speaker 1: Thing that concerned me the most this week was him
Speaker 1: saying we played well enough defensively and on special teams
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, and that he was upset that the
Speaker 1: nudes leaked on Tuesday when he hadn't told the team yet.
Speaker 1: So it just speaks to an organization where things aren't
Speaker 1: being run that well. Like you gave up almost two
Speaker 1: hundred yards on the ground to the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: You gave up scores.
Speaker 1: Every single possession in the second half of that game
Speaker 1: to a Dolphins offense that had been the absolute worst
Speaker 1: in league. So I think he's should be much more
Speaker 1: disappointed with how his defense is. And yes, they've had
Speaker 1: a ton of injuries, but they've also had some easy
Speaker 1: matchups and they have not looked good in any way.
Speaker 4: The line allowed the offensive line twenty one pressures on
Speaker 4: thirty nine pass plays against will anders Is coming to town.
Speaker 4: It is, it is negligent. That's when it has started.
Speaker 4: Drake May in this game, I think it's it's not fine,
Speaker 4: it's relative.
Speaker 5: I would be with you.
Speaker 1: They're like playing Leyden Robinson and who didn't play it
Speaker 1: all in training camp and they just put him out
Speaker 1: there a week one to go up against like something like, hey,
Speaker 1: just go black Quinn Williams.
Speaker 5: It's like, no, I know, I know what happened. That
Speaker 5: is certainly what happened.
Speaker 6: That Drake May is like the future of the organization
Speaker 6: and this guy's career job Mayo is tied to this
Speaker 6: quarter bat is different than the right guard who's a
Speaker 6: rookie's who's played a bunch of football already.
Speaker 8: If I am concerned my argument earlier about the Joe
Speaker 8: Flacco argument, but this is this is the exception to
Speaker 8: that rule.
Speaker 1: Don't I just want to see I just want to
Speaker 1: see him make enough plays This week probably is not
Speaker 1: going to go that well.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Maybe the hold down the town.
Speaker 1: The Texans put Nico Collins on injured reserves since we
Speaker 1: last did a podcast, but we didn't know he was
Speaker 1: going to be out for a little while. That's concerning
Speaker 1: their offensive line has not been playing that well.
Speaker 2: I think c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud has really made up for some deficiencies in terms
Speaker 1: of schematically and the running game and everything. He's just
Speaker 1: awesome and he's probably going to continue to be awesome.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're putting him in the best position.
Speaker 5: No, certainly no.
Speaker 6: I mean they have so many penalties they can't even
Speaker 6: line up at this point. He's got plays this season
Speaker 6: where he's holding the back of a guard to hold
Speaker 6: the pressure off from him while someone is holding onto
Speaker 6: a owl and the undershirt coming off him, and he's
Speaker 6: still completing fifteen.
Speaker 5: Yards throws down the field. The one thing about c J.
Speaker 6: Stroud that marks him out from any of the young
Speaker 6: guys you have in the league is he does not
Speaker 6: take bad sacks. Even when they take sacks, they are
Speaker 6: sacks that are acceptable within like what would be like
Speaker 6: the coaching world of Okay, you take one on a
Speaker 6: third and must have it is what it is, We'll
Speaker 6: move on. He never ever takes bad sacks. If atriots
Speaker 6: don't even get after anyone they got in the worst pass.
Speaker 5: Versus in the League.
Speaker 1: All right, maybe maybe the seven points is I just
Speaker 1: thought it's just like Texan's coming off a couple of
Speaker 1: big wins at home. They snuck out a win against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: They're coming just feels like a letdown game where maybe
Speaker 1: it's a young winn. Relatively say that it's just like
Speaker 1: a close, ugly game. But I'm a Drake Maye believer.
Speaker 1: All right, Eagles hosting the Browns. The Eagles are favored
Speaker 1: by nine points in the year twenty twenty four, which
Speaker 1: is crazy to me.
Speaker 2: The Eagles have not played well.
Speaker 1: This year overall, They're very lucky to be two and two.
Speaker 1: And what's a healthy They are healthier. They get aj
Speaker 1: Brown back, they get Lane Johnson back. They're probably getting
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith back. He is in the protocol but practicing,
Speaker 1: which is usually a good sign that you'll be cleared
Speaker 1: by the end of the week. Most importantly, they're playing
Speaker 1: the Browns. That's that's the reason. But still that that
Speaker 1: seems like a huge number for me. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: a lot of in rhythm throws by Jalen Hurts. This
Speaker 1: is a team that I didn't know what to think
Speaker 1: about before the season. I still don't really know what
Speaker 1: to think about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Syriani Cheddon hadst preseason when Jalen Hurts gave
Speaker 4: one of the most awkward answers to a reporter I
Speaker 4: think I've ever seen in answering a question about the offense,
Speaker 4: and it was quite clearly apparent they were not on
Speaker 4: the same page. So what's played out is wildly surprising
Speaker 4: when you look at that dysfunction. They couldn't even mask there, right,
Speaker 4: But this is a decent spot, I guess because not
Speaker 4: specifically for the offense, but conversely against this Brown's offense
Speaker 4: that is so misfiring. The golden boy of coaching in
Speaker 4: the last couple of years, Vin Stemanski, is now peering
Speaker 4: on hot take coach on the hot seat, which.
Speaker 1: Is it is crazy because he literally just signed the
Speaker 1: contract extensive.
Speaker 4: Crazy and it's obviously nonsense to people getting carried away.
Speaker 4: But as has been well documented, this bounding deal, I mean,
Speaker 4: we're talking about whether you play with a better hand
Speaker 4: because it's going to give you a moderately better chance
Speaker 4: to win a game or put a run together, versus
Speaker 4: seeing what you know with a young rookie or sophomore quarterback.
Speaker 4: The Browns are in this crazy situation where they're completely
Speaker 4: They just got to keep on playing Watson, and I
Speaker 4: hope he times the corner. I don't think he's ever
Speaker 4: going to get back to Texans Watson, but if he
Speaker 4: can uptick fifteen to twenty percent, if they could protect
Speaker 4: him a little bit more, if when Nick Chubb comes back,
Speaker 4: maybe with this steed, then they do become a contender.
Speaker 4: But I don't think I've any other option. People are
Speaker 4: talking about Jamis coming in, and Jamis's cameo the Saints
Speaker 4: a few years ago was tidy. Sure, but literally, what's
Speaker 4: the point of bringing him in?
Speaker 6: Well, bringing James out and he gives him trying to
Speaker 6: win some football games.
Speaker 2: Game, but they have side.
Speaker 1: I think de John Watson is bad enough that it's
Speaker 1: fair to expect Jamis Winston to play better.
Speaker 2: Yes, by a significant.
Speaker 1: By a significant significant, especially in that offense where Stefanski
Speaker 1: has shown. Jamis's last few appearances in New orlends we're
Speaker 1: pretty rough. But Kevin Savansky has shown that he can
Speaker 1: make players look better than they have been in other spots,
Speaker 1: and so I would expect Jamis under Stefanski to be
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, just I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be Deshn Watson's last start if it doesn't go well.
Speaker 2: I think they're at that point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so too, But I'm surprised it hasn't
Speaker 6: happened already to the point where it feels like because
Speaker 6: they just can't get out of the contract. So it
Speaker 6: might even be a thing from on high, like we
Speaker 6: just couldn't bench this guy.
Speaker 5: What are we gonna do?
Speaker 6: Just have a ninety two million dollars on the sideline,
Speaker 6: you know what?
Speaker 1: Who moderately enjoys this, So I'm sure he wants to
Speaker 1: win games? Though, is Jim Schwartz, Who's like, no one's
Speaker 1: talking about how my defense is pretty easy to run on.
Speaker 1: We're about to play the Eagles, Like, we've gone from
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the league to an
Speaker 1: average to below average.
Speaker 2: Yeah, defense like that.
Speaker 6: Defensive football, you don't have sustainability unless you have magical
Speaker 6: plays all three levels.
Speaker 5: They don't. They have a really talented front.
Speaker 6: They got some east in the secondary, but it's not
Speaker 6: like that overwhelmed with Alan.
Speaker 2: And this is a really tough match.
Speaker 1: Right last week they actually had a couple of positive
Speaker 1: play plays and series in the first half and then
Speaker 1: eventually the damn sort of broke. But this is a
Speaker 1: terrible matchup for them because this this defense is very
Speaker 1: susceptible uh to uh the run, and I think coming
Speaker 1: off this with like the Eagles, they were all Saquon
Speaker 1: Barkley having a big game. All right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: one quick break. I'm gonna say goodbye to you Nat
Speaker 1: right here. You are out of here. I love you, buddy,
Speaker 1: like you have been a pal to me on all
Speaker 1: these trips. Everyone check out NAT's podcast and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: We will do this again.
Speaker 4: He's great to see you, man, Thank you very much
Speaker 4: for having me. I'm thoroughly enjoyed it. Always done a
Speaker 4: lot with as well. Yeah, so good to see you, bro.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we'll be back quickly right after this break.
Speaker 1: All right, back on NFL Daily, wrapping up our Week
Speaker 1: six preview show. It has been really fun to be
Speaker 1: here at the Greenwood Sports Pub in London, the Bears
Speaker 1: home for the week. We said goodbye to one iconic
Speaker 1: presenter in London and we're welcoming in another.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Nat Coombs is gone.
Speaker 1: Neil Reynolds is here for Sky Sports Neil's actually got
Speaker 1: in his contract.
Speaker 2: Ali Connolly is still with us.
Speaker 1: Ali probably doesn't know this, but Neil refuses to do
Speaker 1: anything on air with Nat Koombs so they can be
Speaker 1: on the same show at the same time that their rivals.
Speaker 7: Although we used to we used to be back in
Speaker 7: the day on BBC Radio. Okay, yeah, I had that
Speaker 7: written in.
Speaker 3: Luckily you found me sort of on the floor under
Speaker 3: the bar and drugged me out.
Speaker 2: So I wish.
Speaker 1: I wish you were that way, but you're too responsible
Speaker 1: for that. We're actually doing a show for your podcast
Speaker 1: and Sky Sports later in the day.
Speaker 2: He This is how big time Neil is. Ali.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact he is at a dinner
Speaker 1: later tonight that includes Roger Goodell, and this is like
Speaker 1: a tough invite to get.
Speaker 2: I've looked at the invite. I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 1: Everyone that's on here, I'm already blowing up your spot
Speaker 1: that you're there. But it's either massive like celebrities in
Speaker 1: terms of former NFL players or people that makes seven
Speaker 1: figures at the NFL.
Speaker 7: How do I do neither of those things?
Speaker 1: But I saw the seating chart and I was told
Speaker 1: I cannot talk about the seating chart on this podcast,
Speaker 1: so I won't.
Speaker 2: I won't. All right, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna We're gonna finish off the previews show by talking
Speaker 1: to little Jags Bears. I just felt like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's finish off the show this way. I'm excited
Speaker 1: for this one. I chose, not that I, you know,
Speaker 1: like had the pick of the litter, but like I
Speaker 1: pushed to come to this week's game because I thought
Speaker 1: I can see Caleb Williams play football in person. That's
Speaker 1: something I've never done before and I hope to do
Speaker 1: like more than once, and so I'm really excited for that.
Speaker 1: Just from a bird's eye view, Like looking at this game, Neil, Neil,
Speaker 1: what gets you going?
Speaker 2: The Bears are favored by two.
Speaker 7: So I know it's so obvious, but that's where we
Speaker 7: would start as well.
Speaker 3: When you look at Trevor coming off his best game
Speaker 3: of the season for the Jags behind a kind of
Speaker 3: healthier offensive line using Brian Thomas and all those weapons,
Speaker 3: So you know it's most fans can go to that
Speaker 3: game on Sunday.
Speaker 7: Are going to pay attention to the quarterbacks. We always do.
Speaker 3: Caleb is I can see why, and it's unfair on
Speaker 3: a young rookie. I can see why.
Speaker 7: He gets the kind of Mahomes comparisons.
Speaker 3: Sometimes not all the time, but there's just sometimes that
Speaker 3: we will play and you're like, ah, that looks great.
Speaker 3: I saw it in training camp. I was sat with
Speaker 3: Albert brit from Sports Illustrating. We're watching Caleb make this
Speaker 3: incredible play, climbs the pocket, rolls to his right, throws
Speaker 3: as he's falling away to Roman Donze from forty yards downfield,
Speaker 3: and al but when you know what that looks like,
Speaker 3: don't you?
Speaker 7: I said, yeah, I saw him in Kansas.
Speaker 3: City yesterday on the day before. I mean, so there's
Speaker 3: a lot to be excited about, and it.
Speaker 7: Starts with the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well, you must attacked, not to just hold off on
Speaker 1: the game for a second, you must attack. To Caleb
Speaker 1: that day too, what was he like as a person,
Speaker 1: Because Neil, whenever you go on those trips of it,
Speaker 1: you're always sending those those on Instagram, all your pictures,
Speaker 1: and you get the coach, You get the coach and
Speaker 1: the quarterback at every right place. There's no way I'm
Speaker 1: getting those guys. So that's exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I spoke to Caleb in the summer.
Speaker 4: I spoke to Caleb.
Speaker 3: Yesterday as well, sit down with him yesterday. I just
Speaker 3: saw Jomp there. Yeah, he's I really like him. I
Speaker 3: think he's I noticed from off the field stuff first
Speaker 3: when I met him in Chicago. Very comfortable in his
Speaker 3: own skin. He's going to be who he wants to be.
Speaker 3: He's going to show his emotions. He's going to lead
Speaker 3: the way he wants to lead, and I really respect that.
Speaker 3: I think he's learning like to be. He said he likes,
Speaker 3: obviously everyone likes the out of structure place. He what
Speaker 3: kind of gets him up in the morning is making
Speaker 3: on time throws what he calls the kind of boring stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's what we need to see to make this
Speaker 3: offense go. He also said that after last week's game,
Speaker 3: he got home and then texted the quarterbacks coach. Was
Speaker 3: listed out the things he wanted to work on this week,
Speaker 3: and I kind of stopped him.
Speaker 7: I was like, you threw for over three hundred yards.
Speaker 3: You won your second game in a row, everyone's talking
Speaker 3: about great, he was, and you're sitting at home listing
Speaker 3: out what you want to work on this week.
Speaker 7: So I'm very.
Speaker 1: Impressed with It's interesting he said that, then what makes
Speaker 1: him excited is the on time throws, Ali, because you've
Speaker 1: put it really well on your podcast with John Ledyard. Again,
Speaker 1: everyone check out the read option. Or I thought you
Speaker 1: said it in a way that maybe the first few
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, like they threw a lot at
Speaker 1: him and maybe they paired it down and that's led
Speaker 1: to better results the last few weeks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think a lot of that is on
Speaker 6: the staff too. They were trying to do everything, imagine
Speaker 6: we'll get to the best possible play, and he was
Speaker 6: just being asked to do an awful lot.
Speaker 5: Neil mentioned it there. He's running everything at the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmage. That was not who he was projected to
Speaker 5: be coming into the league.
Speaker 6: He was never has to do that still for USC,
Speaker 6: That's what it is really basic at USC. Waldron's is
Speaker 6: beyond expensive compared to the rest of the league anyway,
Speaker 6: and he's going up to the line of screamage with
Speaker 6: three or four play He's.
Speaker 5: Having to pick that apart.
Speaker 6: I think that they certainly you can tell pad certain
Speaker 6: things down situationally, the start of drives is the most
Speaker 6: obvious one. The first two plays of every drive, there
Speaker 6: is no checking anymore. It's like, let's get this guy comfortable.
Speaker 6: If he's comfortable, and we can get the drive role.
Speaker 6: Dennis Neil mentioned, we can get more of the phone
Speaker 6: creative plays. But the thing with Williams is always been
Speaker 6: the for as fun as the squashy stiff is, he
Speaker 6: was still unbelievable on time and in rhythm of usc
Speaker 6: he just had a bad offensive line for the most part.
Speaker 6: So I think the development is gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 6: This week is a really really fun matchup. But I
Speaker 6: couldn't be more impressed. Honestly. I think there was people
Speaker 6: have thrown that's always out the Proun way too early,
Speaker 6: given what was in those early weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you would love to see, just as a fan,
Speaker 1: a few more of the big plays and the off,
Speaker 1: you know, structure plays, because there's almost been times the
Speaker 1: last few weeks here you can almost see him thinking like,
Speaker 1: don't leave the pocket, don't leave the pocket. And it's
Speaker 1: worked in two pretty advantageous matchups, the Rams and then
Speaker 1: the Panthers. This is similarly advantageous against the Jaguars in
Speaker 1: the back end. I think the one chance the Jaguars
Speaker 1: have is if Trayvon Walker and josh heinz Allen have
Speaker 1: like a big time game getting pressure on him, then
Speaker 1: then they have a little bit of.
Speaker 7: A chance that line's playing better. You look at the
Speaker 7: line the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Again, it's all relative against who they're playing against, but
Speaker 3: you know that is that's where the key matchup is.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, on that pressure if they can
Speaker 3: get to Caleb Williams. He recognizes he's a rookie as well.
Speaker 3: He talked about that yesterday. He said that he's quite
Speaker 3: hard on himself and that he feels at times he
Speaker 3: maybe needs to give himself a little bit more grace
Speaker 3: because he said, I have to remember that I am
Speaker 3: a rookie. So to your point only about the too
Speaker 3: much on the plate all of that stuff, I think
Speaker 3: that is a real thing and it was a real
Speaker 3: thing for him.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think.
Speaker 6: Look, they took the opposite of bros To what is
Speaker 6: happening in Washington with jade and Daniels.
Speaker 5: Who mentioned Jadean Daniels before.
Speaker 6: What is asked of Daniels is fairly simply stick for
Speaker 6: the offense has been unbelievable and it's the best way
Speaker 6: to approach winning games. Jane Daniels as an MVP candidate.
Speaker 6: It feels of Caleb Williams like they took the seventeen
Speaker 6: game six year view of let's just giving the mother
Speaker 6: load and hopefully figures out by the midpoint. This is
Speaker 6: the week, I think where we will get more of
Speaker 6: the out of structure stuff. They jagged, don't blitz, they
Speaker 6: don't simulate pressia, they don't do anything. They play press coverage.
Speaker 6: They send full guys. It is really old fashioned Ryle
Speaker 6: Neilson defense. So he's no longer have to diagnose is
Speaker 6: that guy dropping, who's rolling?
Speaker 5: Well, what's happening in the secondary?
Speaker 6: If someone just flushes in his face, he can just
Speaker 6: then go and do Caleb believes this.
Speaker 2: I hope we see that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the Ryan Nielsen Jaguars have been underwhelming. They've
Speaker 1: had injuries, certainly at linebacker and cornerback where they might
Speaker 1: have issues anyways, but it just hasn't gone well at all.
Speaker 2: So that's a good matchic.
Speaker 1: On the flip side, I do kind of think about
Speaker 1: Caleb what he said to you about the notes coming
Speaker 1: back on Sundays night and wanting to get better and better,
Speaker 1: and we don't know what's going on in the Jaguars building.
Speaker 1: But what we haven't seen on the field from Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence is like a progression of here's the details that
Speaker 1: he's getting better at in his career. He always has
Speaker 1: missed more through that are there. Then I liked in
Speaker 1: terms of him getting to his ceiling. This year it's
Speaker 1: been on another level where until last week it was
Speaker 1: a lot. And he's a streaky quarterback and this is
Speaker 1: a really tough matchup for him.
Speaker 2: So I want a close game.
Speaker 1: I always in London and rooting for just like, let's
Speaker 1: get some points and let's have it within one score.
Speaker 1: And I'm a little worried on both ends this week.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: It's only a two point spread here if you want
Speaker 1: to trust that he and Lawrence is coming off his
Speaker 1: best game of the year. But I think there is
Speaker 1: a way that you could see this game being like
Speaker 1: twenty six to ten or something like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Trevor now and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a big supporter of him, and I enjoy enjoy watching
Speaker 3: his highs, but I think you get frustrated by the lows,
Speaker 3: and they are both in equal measure, and we got
Speaker 3: body of work now this is year four and he
Speaker 3: knows that he talked about that in the summer, that
Speaker 3: this is the best team they've ever had, and they
Speaker 3: all talked about finishing.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you got Lawrence too?
Speaker 3: Oh, I said he said about it. I didn't say
Speaker 3: he said it to me. Yeah, you know I'm hearing
Speaker 3: what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: I gotcha, I got it. Let's try.
Speaker 1: I mean, he would be an intimidating guy for a
Speaker 1: you to go just interview just because well just because.
Speaker 2: Why the hair? You know, I don't like to have.
Speaker 7: I don't need that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's true. You've done You've done well, You've done well.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, it was eight minutes.
Speaker 2: A sorry about that.
Speaker 1: I he justly though, like this year has been particularly disappointing.
Speaker 6: What really frustrates me with him is at this stage,
Speaker 6: I just accept we're getting twenty five turn of a
Speaker 6: worthy Frozer season.
Speaker 5: That's who he is.
Speaker 6: Philip Rivers had years like that and he was able
Speaker 6: to trim from the fat as it went along. What
Speaker 6: is just odd about his game is he's very nuanced
Speaker 6: as a player. When you watch him mechanically, he does
Speaker 6: an awful off Matt Ryan type things to maneuve, rom
Speaker 6: manipulate people. So that is in there. You know that
Speaker 6: player exists, but it's as though he gets sloppy or
Speaker 6: lazy or bored mid game, and it's just we're at
Speaker 6: the stage now where you just can't have that degree
Speaker 6: of variance week in week. You can live with a
Speaker 6: guy who makes three special throws a game and has
Speaker 6: one dude that he's going to turn over, and you
Speaker 6: just go, that's who he is, as long as it's
Speaker 6: all the open, easy ones.
Speaker 5: And he just misses too many of the open easy ones.
Speaker 6: So the trade off becomes, we got a guy who's
Speaker 6: not keeping those on schedule all the time. We might
Speaker 6: get two special throws, but now we're getting two really
Speaker 6: rough ones every single week.
Speaker 5: It's just not a way to consistently win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not always seeing like the open receivers. And he's
Speaker 1: had some Brian Thomas Jr. Like I'm excited. I'm exciting
Speaker 1: that to watch him in person, his progression has been great.
Speaker 1: To see more hands catches, more contested catches, like he
Speaker 1: looks like a If he's not a one already, he's
Speaker 1: a future one. Tanks Big Bigsby and the running game
Speaker 1: has gotten going so there is a route to them
Speaker 1: kind of catching fire in London like they did a
Speaker 1: year ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I don't think last last week
Speaker 3: was a fluke. I think they've got healthier. I think
Speaker 3: they've still got I've still got talent there, you know,
Speaker 3: and Thomas's is so exciting.
Speaker 7: I think there's a little bit of so.
Speaker 3: When I first watched him play, I kind of just
Speaker 3: saw saw a few plays early on in the season,
Speaker 3: I was like, he's like a he's quite it was
Speaker 3: almost like a running back after the catch. But then
Speaker 3: I watched him like, you know, he could fly. He's
Speaker 3: like a proper a proper speeds. I mean, he's got everything.
Speaker 3: And so he's definitely given them them juice. Bigsby has
Speaker 3: been a really good kind of a dish with Etn
Speaker 3: being a bit injured and a bit banged up. Doug
Speaker 3: Peterson says that it's still Etn's job, but I think
Speaker 3: you've got to give Bigsby carries now he's earned them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their their line needs to play better like that.
Speaker 1: I think that's been an underrated issue the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. I think they were expecting Anton Harrison the
Speaker 1: right tackle the play like at another level this year
Speaker 1: that maybe hasn't happened for them. All right, that that's it.
Speaker 1: We've we've talked this game out. Uh, Olie Connelly, thank
Speaker 1: you for spending all this time. He's going to be
Speaker 1: back on Sunday night. You're not backing out of that yet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sunday after midnight on Sunday, like overstaffed that game because
Speaker 1: that Uh So we're gonna be working on Sky Sports.
Speaker 1: If you gonna be in the UK, you'll be watching
Speaker 1: Neil Reynolds uh covering the pregame and then during obviously
Speaker 1: Jaguars Bears. I'll be part of that coverage as well
Speaker 1: before the game and during the game a little bit
Speaker 1: on the sidelines, and then I'll head back. I'll be
Speaker 1: part of their their coverage and then we're gonna tape
Speaker 1: an NFL Daily actually at the Talk Sports studios at
Speaker 1: one a m.
Speaker 2: And so Ali has Yeah, Ali is.
Speaker 1: Gonna join me there, and Phoebe Scheckter is gonna drive
Speaker 1: with me. Uh from the Sky studio. Yes, I know,
Speaker 1: I know you won't be there at the studios. I'll
Speaker 1: ask the Rich Eisen of the UK to join me
Speaker 1: at one am.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you need to.
Speaker 1: Be here, and yeah, you're gonna help me make some
Speaker 1: picks on our Friday afternoon show as well. Uh so
Speaker 1: for Neil for Allie. Uh yeah, like when when we're
Speaker 1: in the Greenwood Sports Pub.
Speaker 2: You know that football is back. See next time.