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Speaker 1: And we also have our Sophie with us, whose name

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Speaker 1: is Sophie. Hi, Sophie, I'm okay, living life excellent. Ian

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Speaker 1: as our audio engineer on Woman Rode or three Music.

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Speaker 1: This week we're talking about tramp printers, and we're grouchy

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Speaker 1: because they're in a union that's racist, even though a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are fighting against that racism. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know when they won, and someone will tell me,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be happy that they tell me. Anyway, go

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Speaker 1: listen to part one, both of you, Sophie and Kalin. Okay, bye, okay,

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Speaker 1: see you and we are back okay, And now that

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Speaker 1: you all listen to part one, we can talk about

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Speaker 1: part two. So our apprentice has just become a journeyman

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Speaker 1: wandering journey man, person who goes on journeys. And this

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Speaker 1: M And I find that really interesting, And it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: So printers were expected to travel. Some caught the bug

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Speaker 1: and stayed traveling and became tramps. Some learned some skills

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Speaker 1: and then settled down and joined the Home Guard, choosing

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Speaker 1: a pension and stability over flexibility and freedom. What would

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Speaker 1: you all pick? WHOA I would? I would probably journey

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Speaker 1: for a while. Actually, I would probably just do what

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Speaker 1: But then I'd be like, I'm bored, I need to

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Speaker 1: go to Amsterdam and look at graffiti. Good call back,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, you learned about that by going back

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's an option to just

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Speaker 1: bet you could do it. And that is how comedy works, right,

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Speaker 1: you finish your apprenticeship? Yes? What time did you start

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Speaker 1: your apprenticeship? And how much piss was involved? I was,

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Speaker 1: after bad jokes exactly. Yeah. Some people like here's a bar,

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Speaker 1: a shitty dichotomy that we should avoid whenever possible. Um,

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Speaker 1: And the way that people would see the world in

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Speaker 1: this context is that they would tramp. This was not

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they'd win like who's buying the beer later? You know?

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Speaker 1: So they're just like temping, they're just like freelancing. Yeah,

425
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Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, it's kind of like the traveling

426
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Speaker 1: nurse thing that happens in some ways because things that

427
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: people always need health care and printed propaganda or whatever.

428
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: Mass media the main mass media at the time. So

429
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Speaker 1: for a while, about the mid eight hundreds, about half

430
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Speaker 1: the time up centers in the US were women. Out

431
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: West in particular, the old rules didn't apply and more

432
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: women ran papers or edited. More than two hundred papers

433
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Speaker 1: out West in the second half of the nineteenth century

434
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: were run by women. And the book I'm drawing from

435
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: here the most is tramp Printers by Charles Overbeck that

436
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: I mentioned last episode to quote from tramp Printers about

437
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: women editing papers out west. The female editors of the

438
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: West varied from Katherine bag a thirteen year old publisher

439
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: of The Bug Hunter in Tombstone, Arizona, to Renown suffrageteen

440
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah. Pretty, what was it The Bug Hunter?

441
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Speaker 1: I think that basically, it's like when I had a

442
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: zine when I was a teenager, got it okay? You know,

443
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: So so Catherine Bag ran The Bug Hunter, and I

444
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: think it was like, probably like these are the bugs

445
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: I found, you know. I love that. I know, sorry

446
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: to interrupt, No, no, no, I mean I included his

447
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: quote because I like that part so much to renown

448
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: suffragist Abigail Scott Dunaway in Oregon, you know. So it's

449
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: like ran the gamut of um of women printing. There

450
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: was also a couple of women's shops. The Bohemian Women's

451
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: Publishing Company of Chicago is all women. They ran a

452
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: popular weekly and employed fifteen women and girls. And they

453
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: had all women's shops, probably because men were treating them

454
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: like garbage and it's the piss that they were cleaning

455
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: things with. Yeah, but you have to be respectful of

456
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: the piss, you understand anyway. Sorry, Yeah, that was bad analogy. No, No,

457
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm made it worse. But all things surely come to

458
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: an end. Not this episode yet, but the era that

459
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about. So you've got the tramp printing thing

460
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: where everyone is sitting type by hand all day and

461
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: drinking and reciting poetry all night and writing freight trains

462
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: and whatever. And they've been working the same machines that

463
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: have been around since Guttenberg and then hot metal type

464
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: setting came around. The most amos and long lasting of

465
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Speaker 1: these machines is the line of line of type machines

466
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: which were invented in eighty four, which does several lines

467
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: of type thus lino type at a time, and the

468
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: operator picks away at a typewriter basically which assembles metal

469
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: forms which are then cast into lines of type. Thus

470
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: hot metal typesighting and line of types are the main

471
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: things that people use until the nineteen seventies had like

472
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: literally in the in the nineteen sixties, some places were

473
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Speaker 1: still using eighty year old machines because once again, this

474
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: technology didn't change too fundamentally. For basically, until computers came

475
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Speaker 1: around and the line of type machine killed a lot

476
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: of jobs, hand type setting was was over, but it

477
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: didn't kill the union or the culture. And I at

478
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: this point the union is not being evil. And the

479
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: reason it didn't kill the the union is because these

480
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: machines are fucking monstrous. The line of type machines have

481
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Speaker 1: se moving parts. As one printer Andrew Steve's put it quote,

482
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: while no one action is particularly complex in isolation, their

483
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: combination and this worrying, chattering, thirty pound hulk of moving

484
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: parts with its pot of molten metal slashing around at

485
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: five fifty degrees fahrenheit, you can be downright intimidating at

486
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: first glance or on second or third m hmm, I'll

487
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: say yeah, yeah, So the union printers learned how to

488
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: use them faster than inexperienced workers were able to. Basically like,

489
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: as soon as these things are showing in the shop,

490
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: the union printers were like, all right, it's ours. And

491
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: more importantly than learning how to use them, they learned

492
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Speaker 1: to fix them, which the bosses definitely did not know

493
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Speaker 1: how to do. And since printing was even more centralized

494
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: that before, the workers came out of it with more

495
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: power than before. So sorry, bosses. Folks who didn't want

496
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: or couldn't learn the new machines often headed west, where

497
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Linotype took decades to reach. But change was inevitable, and

498
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: a ton of printers just got real salty and we're

499
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: like fun all this and quit printing, joined the circus,

500
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, totally. Circus is always hiring. Apparently, always

501
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: seem very easy in stories to run away and join

502
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: the circus, but always like as a kid, I was like,

503
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: isn't involved, like being really good at something? Yeah, you

504
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: have to be like an acrobat, yeah or something. I

505
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: was referring to that one specific but Also, yeah, I'm like,

506
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Speaker 1: how can you just like you've got to have skills

507
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: taming lions others. I yeah, I don't know clowning anyway,

508
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: No matter how far the tramp printers went ran out West,

509
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: by the time of the Great Depression, line of type

510
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: machines were ubiquitous, and the first golden age of the

511
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: tramp printer was over. More or less, The new printers,

512
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: even the tramps, were less wild and less driven by

513
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: wander overall, but the line of type machine printer wages

514
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: went up dramatically because profits went up at the shops,

515
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: the machines were stored in less dingy parts of the building,

516
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: and basically the union printer's life got better. Life expectancy

517
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: went up again, which is from forty one too. Yeah,

518
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't have the next number, but like yeah, like, um,

519
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, incremental change positive. As long as you can

520
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: get we could just get life expectancy to like pace

521
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: our aging. That would work well for me. And I

522
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: think this is kind of interesting to me because like

523
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: most of the time unions, you don't hear about unions

524
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: adapting to new technology incredibly well, you know, and like

525
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: one day I'm gonna do an episode about the Luddites,

526
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: who weren't actually mad at the concept of technology. They

527
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: were mad at the concept of ending their way of

528
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: life that provided them the food that they ate. M

529
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: you know. But but the Union conquered this new technology,

530
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: which is funny because like the bosses were like, like, hey,

531
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: this will finally break the Union, and it didn't, and

532
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: partly because it was a giant machine with a pot

533
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: full of five fifty degree molton lead. If you ran

534
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: them at speed for too long, the melt pot could

535
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: overheat and a bunch of molten metal would shoot out

536
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: at the operator. And one printer said, quote, it didn't

537
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: burn you, it cooked you. That's what they called a squirt.

538
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh sexy, fascinating. Yeah, damn h. But now I want

539
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: to talk about two influential tramp printers. Both are actually

540
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: pretty cool stamp of they get the stamp of cool.

541
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: People did cool stuff in messy ways. People are gonna

542
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: be like, why did you advocate for such anyway? Whatever?

543
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Complicated people, everyone's complicated famous tramps. One's named Horace Greeley.

544
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: Horace Greeley was a tramp printer. There's a whole town's

545
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: named after him. While there's one town at least it's

546
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: called Greeley, Colorado, Okay, Horace Greeley, a poor as hell.

547
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: And then as a as a scrawny teenager, maybe thirteen,

548
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen, depending on which book you read, he went

549
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: off to become a printer. He spent twelve years as

550
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: a tramp printer in the mid Atlantic, and then he

551
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: moved to New York City. He founded the New York Tribune,

552
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: which was the widest circulating paper in the country. He

553
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: became a politician at one point, he was a congressman. Actually,

554
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: at one point he ran for president loss, but he

555
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: helped found and possibly named the Republican Party. So it's

556
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: completely possible that the guy who named the Republican Party

557
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: was a well he's a socialist. I'll get to that part, socialist, vegetarian. Anyway,

558
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: the Republican Party was the less offensive party at the time, right,

559
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: It's important understand about mid nineteenth century, and he was

560
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: a radical Republican, which was the group that wanted an

561
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: immediate end to slavery, in contrast with moderate Republicans like Lincoln,

562
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: who were like, well, we'll get there. And he fought

563
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: against the Republicans embracing the anti Catholic, anti immigrant, no

564
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: nothings into the party. He might have coined the fray

565
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: is go West young man, But the Internet likes to

566
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: argue about that. He was into like non communist socialism

567
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: of the Charles Fourier utopian socialist variety that I don't

568
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: totally understand, so I'm not going to try and explain

569
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: right now. I was gonna say what, Yeah, I mean, okay,

570
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: he was a socialist, but not in a way that

571
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: makes but not in a like Marxist way. Socialism was

572
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a lot more diverse in it, well, is a lot

573
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: more diverse and interesting than people presented as um and

574
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century that was like more open people understood.

575
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Socialism is a much more complicated field, got it. He

576
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: was a universalist, which is like a Christian who believes

577
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: everyone gets into heaven and is they tend to be

578
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: the people who are like less assholes about it. M hmm.

579
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: He was also like basically a vegan straight edge. He

580
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: followed it. I mean, I don't know, but he probably

581
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: ate eggs and ship but he followed a diet of

582
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: no meat, no alcohol, no caffeine, no tobacco. One downside

583
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: of him he's using to prohibition. I'm like, not drinking rules,

584
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: but telling another people they can't drink sucks mm hmm.

585
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: But he actually politically worked against the people the parties

586
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: of prohibition, like the know nothings, So he whatever, he

587
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: seemed all right some ways. He was very actively feminist,

588
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: although in some ways of course he fell flat on that.

589
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: But he gave a lot of speeches about the importance

590
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: of like including women in labor unions and like all

591
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff. At one point, asshole racist

592
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: New Yorkers, mostly Irish immigrants I think, had a race

593
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: riot in the eighteen sixty three in response to the

594
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Civil War, and they were like, we're going to go

595
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: get Greeley because he's a you know, anti slavery guy,

596
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: and so they like were stormed his offices and most

597
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: of the other editors and ship who were being called

598
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: to be killed fled the city. But really was like,

599
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to leave the city. And what

600
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: he did is he's just like put on a hat

601
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: and walked out of his office and walked through the

602
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: crowd and no one recognized him. Huh. And yeah, there's

603
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: all these statues of him around and like a lot

604
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: of history. Things that are like from like a pro

605
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: America point of view were at him as like goodhearted

606
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: but naive, which I think means he was a socialist

607
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: and we don't know how to handle that because he's

608
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: very important to us history, is like an incredibly important

609
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: figure in US history, and so he was naive and

610
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: that he didn't follow whatever system. He was the first

611
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: president of the New York Typographical Union. He wrote editorial

612
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: and support of women printers. He wasn't perfect. He did

613
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of ship that wasn't great. He opposed divorce

614
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: reform and women's suffrage. Interesting guy or as greeling tramp printer.

615
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: I love that it's possible. The Republican Party was named

616
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: by a sober vegetarian socialist hobo. Yeah, pretty cool. And

617
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: if you want a cool lifestyle like sober socialist hobo,

618
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: you can buy a cool lifestyle with lifestyle products like

619
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: car heart. He love was work car cards. Is it true?

620
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: That part is true? But I'm really not actually trying

621
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: to This isn't a free ad for car rds. This

622
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: is me trying to make a joke. Please don't go

623
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: out and buy car rards because of this. But instead

624
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: listen to these ads or don't. You can press the

625
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: fast forward button. I don't care. We are back. How

626
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: did that have? Haitlyn? Any good ads in there for you?

627
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: What were you most excited about? I well, let me

628
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: tell you what I during that ad break, I logged

629
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: onto carhart dot com. I bought myself a jacket. I

630
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: got myself some some work pants, nice beanie, a beanie,

631
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: some gloves, all kinds, all manner of items. For a while,

632
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I actually still think there's a cool outfit. But for

633
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: a while, the the um krusty traveler women's outfit of

634
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: choice was you take a pair of car Heart overalls

635
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: and you cut you cut it into a mini skirt

636
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and re set it into a mini skirts. Yeah it's yeah,

637
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: I know it rules. Yeah, I'm like cool people do

638
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: cool stuff that. Okay, thank you so much. A whole

639
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: episode on it, please and thank you. I would. I mean,

640
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: I really want to At some point, someone's going to

641
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: have to let me do an art exhibit, some fucking

642
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: fancy gallery, and I want to like find all my

643
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: crusty friends and get all of their clothes and like

644
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: put them up and like pressed between glass of all

645
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: the weird sewing that everyone does. Awes. I mean, if

646
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: you have a fancy gallery, reach out to Margaret. Thank you.

647
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: So you know who else was hobo? This isn't an

648
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: ad break. This is me trying to get back into

649
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: the script. Tell me the father of American literature, Samuel

650
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: Clemens a k A. Mark Twain. Oh hell yeah, that

651
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker well so. And actually I want to know because,

652
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: like I, I had always heard like kind of mixed

653
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: reviews on this guy. Right, Oh, I know nothing besides

654
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: he wrote I'm pretty sure I wrote the screenplay for

655
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: Hawk Finn starring Elijah Wood. Yeah, yeah, he was the

656
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: screenplay guy. He's from nineteen nineteen nineties. Um, I don't

657
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: know when that movie came out. The actually the ninties, exactly,

658
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: the fifteen forty one, I believe. Okay, Yeah, so Mark

659
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: fucking Twain, he was a tramp printer and he is interesting.

660
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: Like Greeley, There's still more I want to understand about him.

661
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: And these ones got kind of the skim treatment. I

662
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: didn't go out and read autobiography biographies about these people.

663
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: I read like a ton of articles about them and

664
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: tried to cross reference and try and figure out what's true,

665
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: but I didn't like really deep dive them. He's very

666
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: American in his politics, but he basically gets more and

667
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: more interesting and radical and leftist as he get older.

668
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: He has this quote, there's no good government at all,

669
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: and none is possible. Um, And that started in a

670
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: sort of like kind of American libertarian is kind of

671
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: way of like a free markets and government leave everyone

672
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: alone whatever. But he was once again in it's kind

673
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: of weird socialist e or confusing way. And I'm not

674
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: trying to call him a socialist specifically. He was like

675
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: a markets guy for a lot of his life, but

676
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't a capitalism guy. Um. He didn't like welfare,

677
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: but he also hated plutocrats and monopolies and capitalists. And

678
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: he started off all stars and stripes America, rah rah rah,

679
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: and said lots of not great stuff about a lot

680
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: of stuff. He also once fought for the Confederacy for

681
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: three weeks, but he did dessert, and I think fighting

682
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: for three weeks and deserting was like kind of like

683
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: a cake or like a pie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he

684
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: was the pastry chef and he poisoned them all. Now

685
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: he Yeah, so it's like during the Confederacy. If he

686
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: lived in the South and were white and a man,

687
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: you were like expected to fight for the Confederacy or

688
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: they'd like burn everything you've ever loved mm hmmm, including

689
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: possibly you. And so he fought for three weeks and

690
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: then he was like this and he uh, he fled

691
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: to I think to Nevada and whatever. He ended up

692
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: anti imperialist and anti racist near the end of his life,

693
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: and he would talk about how the Emancipation Proclamation set

694
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: the black man free and the white man too, because

695
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: basically how evil white people were being as a result

696
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: of um the system of slavery. He was a tramp

697
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: printer before he was a riverboat pilot. When he was

698
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: a tramp printer, one time he decided to play a

699
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: prank on another tramp printer. So he got, I'm sure

700
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: you've done this kind of prank before, Caitlin, Sophie, everyone's

701
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: done this prank. You go get a whole lass, real

702
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: human skeleton, and you put it in the guy's bed

703
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: while he's sleeping, so then he wait, when he wakes up,

704
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: he's sleeping next to or possibly Cuddlina realized yesterday to Jamie. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

705
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: well that guy who is actually Jamie Lost so aggressive.

706
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: First of all, you also like, just you have a

707
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: real human scut I mean, there's just so many Yeah,

708
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: because he's a ho, he's a tramp. So he's clearly

709
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: not going to his own closet of skeletons. He clearly

710
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: went to someone else's closet. Skeleton's probably a graveyard, went

711
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: and got a skeleton. Can you imagine if he's just

712
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: drunk and he's like, I got an idea, this is

713
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: this is my plan. Guys are guys, this will be hilarious. Yes,

714
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: And then so the guy wakes up next to a

715
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: skeleton and he's like, and he goes and he sells

716
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: the skeleton for seven dollars and he gets good and

717
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: drunk off of it. Nice jokes on you. Samuel Clemens,

718
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: near the end of his life, he gets more and

719
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: more radical. He spent his last days doing ship like

720
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: writing pamphlets against various imperialists in his usual sarcastic tone.

721
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: In his essay The Conquest of the Philippines, Twain writes

722
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: about a time when you a soldier's massa, heard some

723
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: moros people in the Philippines by firing down on them

724
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: from the ring of an extinct volcano, which is a

725
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: thing that happened that he was responding to. Quote. The

726
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: enemy numbered six hundred, including women and children. We abolished

727
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: them utterly, leaving not only not even a baby alive

728
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: to cry for its dead mother. This is incomparably the

729
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: greatest victory that was ever achieved by the Christian soldiers

730
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: of the United States. Headline death list is now nine hundred.

731
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: I was never so enthusiastically proud of the flag till now.

732
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: That's sarcasm. See that's it's different than actually might be sardonic.

733
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: Sardonic sarcasm. What's the difference? We don't actually want to know,

734
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, tell the person sitting next to you, say,

735
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: Margaret is a fool. She does not know the difference

736
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: between sarcasm and sardonatry. Sar dolla tree, which is like

737
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: idola idolatry, only about the sardonic god. Kayla gerant me

738
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: sardonic God. Thank you, Yeah, that sounds like an earnest

739
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Thanks yeah, sorry, Iman, thanks okay, good. I was a

740
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: little concerned. Samuel Clements did more than just right against imperialism.

741
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: He spent years as the vice president of the American

742
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: Anti Imperialist League. Once he got money from his writing,

743
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: he used it to pay for several black people's education.

744
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: He was friends with Helen Keller, the radical Socialist in

745
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: IWW member who was also a disability rights icon mm

746
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: hmm for sixteen years. By the early twentieth century, he

747
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: left the Republican Party to do his own weird thing

748
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: and referred to both Republicans and the Democrats as insane

749
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: and that each party was incapable. Each party was able

750
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: to understand that the other party was fucked up, but

751
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: neither party could see that they were sucked up, which

752
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: isn't wrong, And I think this is still like, yeah,

753
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: he supported the Revolution of nineteen Basically, I was like

754
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: kind of expecting because like the stuff I've heard is

755
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: that he the way he handles race is one very

756
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: different from how people would try and handle race now,

757
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: and to a lot of it was like not great, right,

758
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of his writing and so I was

759
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: like aware of a lot of that stuff, and I

760
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of this other stuff, and so I started

761
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: doing this research about him. He supported the Revolution of

762
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: nineteen o five in Russia, like wholeheartedly, especially the willingness

763
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: to do violence against the czar. He had no time

764
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: for liberal half measures. He wrote, quote, what is the

765
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: Czar of Russia but a house of fire in the

766
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: midst of a city of eighty millions of inhabitants. Yet

767
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: instead of extinguishing him together with his nest and system,

768
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the liberation parties are all anxious to merely cool him

769
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: down a little and keep him. It seems to me

770
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: that this is illogical, idiotic. In fact, suppose you had

771
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: this granite hearted, bloody drawed maniac of Russia loosen your house,

772
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: chasing the helpless women and little children your own, what

773
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: would you do with him? Supposing you had a shotgun? Well,

774
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: he has loosened your house, Russia, and with your shotgun

775
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: in hand, you stand thinking up ways of trying to

776
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: modify him. When we consider not that not even the

777
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: most responsible English monarch ever yielded back a single public

778
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: right until it was wrenched from them by bloody violence.

779
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Is it rational to suppose that gentler methods can win

780
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: privileges in Russia? Mhm? And then final Mark Twain quote

781
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use for this is in two he said,

782
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: let us abolish policeman who carry clubs and revolvers and

783
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: put in a squad of poets armed to the teeth

784
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: with poems on spring and love. So wow, I kind

785
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: of like him, and he was a tramp printer. And

786
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: then later at one point another writer, William Dean Howells

787
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: asked Mark Twain, being like, how should I write about

788
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: tramp printers? And Mark Twain wrote back, hands off incomprehensible

789
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: delay readers, oh um, and so here I am trying

790
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: to whatever anyway. So interesting. Okay, So those are two

791
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: of the two of the famous tramp printers. I guess

792
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: the need that I didn't really talk about Mark Twain

793
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: as a printer or any of that, but he did

794
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: that for a while. That's that's what I got. Well,

795
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I think the takeaway there is that if you start

796
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: out as a tramp printer, you're gonna go on to

797
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: do some interesting stuff. All of them did as long

798
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: as they lived past. Yeah. There was a second wave,

799
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: a sort of second golden age of the tramp printer

800
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: after World War Two, when train type setters were in

801
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: short supply, and it's a different thing. It was a

802
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: different lifestyle. More couples where both people were tramp printers

803
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: would travel with their kids in like RVs and ship

804
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: tramps would stay at motels instead of on the floor

805
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: of the job. All night diners were placed replaced the

806
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: dunes and the Second Golden Age ran up until the

807
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and it used the same union system, literally

808
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: the same union, the I TU. They could show up

809
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: at any printer, skip the personnel department and work whatever

810
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: shifts they wanted, and the typographical union. It survived the

811
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: move to line of type, but it didn't survive the

812
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: move to digital printing. The earliest electric type setting machines,

813
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: the teletype setter or the TTS, were referred to by

814
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: some people who are really excited about them. Some bosses.

815
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: They were like, this is the electric man that sets

816
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: type and doesn't strike. Uh. Some of the earliest applications

817
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: of computers. Actually it was to hook them up to

818
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: these teletype machines to calculate hyphenation and justification settings, which

819
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: were like kind of like the last skilled parts of

820
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: some of the type setting, so the operators didn't need

821
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: to be highly trained. Jobs got scarcer more and more

822
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: journeyman decided to stick around and home guard rather than

823
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: risk not finding a job in the next town over.

824
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: And then phototype setting took over hot metal type setting.

825
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: And I could not easily tell you about phototype setting.

826
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: And even though I've been vaguely involved in it at

827
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: various points in my life, I don't know how to

828
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: easily explain it, and I'm not great at understanding it. Okay,

829
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: this means that you no longer have the squirt right,

830
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: you no longer have the like if you do this wrong,

831
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 1: hot lead will burn everything. So even more so now

832
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: people don't need trained skilled people. Computers can't take over everything.

833
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: Editors of paper start coming out of the university system

834
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: instead of off the shop floor. Even union shops stopped

835
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: wanting tramp printers. One by one, they all stopped accepting

836
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: the travelers card. By six tramp printing was over and

837
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: the union was to the same year, it merged with

838
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: the Communication Workers of America, ending its run as the

839
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: oldest union in the US. With the death of the union,

840
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: wages dropped and a hot metal compositor was getting two

841
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: d dollars a week, which is about a salary about

842
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: seventy si I was a year in today money. By

843
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: four years later, the same amount of work was forty

844
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars a year, so it's like barely your

845
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: your your wage got halved, um with the union gone.

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Speaker 1: And I want to go out with a story about

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Speaker 1: one more random cool tramp. This is a second Golden

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Speaker 1: Age tramp, Big Marie Emery, one of the last tramp printers.

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Speaker 1: She was over six ft tall. She was loud and

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Speaker 1: brash and cool as hell. She always blew her money

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Speaker 1: on like fancy clothes and jewelry and ship but she

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Speaker 1: didn't actually have that money, so she like pawned them

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Speaker 1: the next day. Um, she'ld like wear them around, be

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Speaker 1: seen in them, and be like, all right, never mind,

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Speaker 1: go take them back. That is such a flex excited,

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Speaker 1: she gave away money constantly to her down and out compatriots.

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Speaker 1: The foreman asked what she could do. She like showed

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Speaker 1: up at a shop as tramp part like, well, what

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Speaker 1: can you do because she's a woman or whatever. So

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Speaker 1: she poked him on the shoulder and said, I can

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Speaker 1: do anything a goddamn man can do except pissing a

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Speaker 1: bottle mm hmm, which is very just Yeah. She liked

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Speaker 1: to marry tramp printers who are about to die and

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Speaker 1: then become their sole beneficiaries. Oh my god, she's amazing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Eschine would say, big sleigh. Uh. And so she lived

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Speaker 1: large as best as she could off of you know that,

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Speaker 1: no shame. And to quote that Charles Overbeck book, The

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Speaker 1: Tramp Printers quote, she continued tramping into the nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: but the FBI came for her at seventy two in

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Speaker 1: not in two, but when she's seventy two years old,

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Speaker 1: alleging that she was drawing a deceased husband's checks from

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Speaker 1: a Navy pension, social security off to other dead print

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Speaker 1: printer husbands, her own social securities check and a full

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Speaker 1: union wages as a proof reader, and using food stamps

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Speaker 1: to pay an undocumented worker to clean clear her trailer clean. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: sounds legit to me. Yeah. Now the quote from Charles

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Speaker 1: Verbeck ends a first class tramp to the end. Hell

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Speaker 1: yeah nice. And that, dear listeners, specifically Sophie and Caitlin

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Speaker 1: is the tramp Printers. Love it. Thanks for sharing, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for um, Caitlin. Thank You're really so funny the entire time,

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Speaker 1: which is why you are miractually the healthiest person on

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Speaker 1: e I'm cured. Um, do you have anything you would

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Speaker 1: like to plug? Oh, just the same stuff as usual.

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Speaker 1: Follow me on Instagram and Twitter, and I guess TikTok

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Speaker 1: even though I barely understand it. At Caitlin Darante, listen

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Speaker 1: to the Bechtel Cast, the movie podcast I do with

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Speaker 1: Jamie Loft. As we're going on tour in um in

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Speaker 1: the West coast of the US. We'll be doing shows

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Speaker 1: in l A, So Francisco, Portland, and Seattle late January

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Speaker 1: early February, and you guys also performing at s F.

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Speaker 1: Sketch first, Yeah, that's the San Francisco show. That's so good.

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Speaker 1: Sketchy first, it's so sketchy. And guess what classic San

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Speaker 1: Francisco movie we're doing. George of the Jungle. Yeah, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Love that, um, Margaret, and you have a new book,

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Speaker 1: would you like to plug that? Well, imagine it's called

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Speaker 1: George of the Jungle, right, it's it's probably imagine if

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Speaker 1: you believe that the government owed you a woman as

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Speaker 1: a public service, and you were already there, I already

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Speaker 1: do invited to move to an island where that would

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Speaker 1: be met. You're the government provides Just kidding, it's a trap.

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Speaker 1: It's a prison. All of the men who believe that

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Speaker 1: they are owed women as a public good are trapped

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Speaker 1: on in Cell Island. And then our two protagonist title

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Speaker 1: of the book must infiltrate infol Intel Island. And then

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Speaker 1: now here's the title, escape from in Cell Island. It's preorderable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say where it can people pre order?

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Speaker 1: And what can they get with that preorder? Tangled Wilderness

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Speaker 1: dot org is the publisher, and you can get a

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Speaker 1: free poster if you pre order. And my gratitude not

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Speaker 1: personally explained Magpie's gratitude, which is, yeah, exactly can't buy that? Well,

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Speaker 1: you literally can. You can buy it, buy pre order

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Speaker 1: in that book. But for everything that money can't buy,

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Speaker 1: there's money. Yeah, And we'll be back next week with

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Speaker 1: the story of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff? Okay,

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Speaker 1: by now, hi everyone. Hi. Cool People Who Did Cool

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