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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: I taught myself to speak to myself the way I

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Speaker 2: my daughter stupid or incapable or all the things I

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Speaker 2: used to call myself, because harm does that. Harm creates

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Speaker 2: those narratives, especially if we weren't protected.

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Speaker 1: By Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 3: women like you. We're your hosts Doctor Dominique, a college

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Speaker 2: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 2: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 2: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 2: vibroids to fake friends, and create a safe space where

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Speaker 1: Lady.

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Speaker 2: We have a very special guest on the podcast today.

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Speaker 2: I would say, if you're tuning in right now, you

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Speaker 2: might want to light some candles, like an incent, be comfy,

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Speaker 2: get on your night slippers, in a roll, because this

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Speaker 2: feels like it's going to be a cozy conversation. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so let's get into it. Gina Breedlove is a vocalist, composer, actor,

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Speaker 2: and traditional sound healer from Brooklyn, New York. She created

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Speaker 2: the program Vibration of Grace, Healing through Sound, helping thousands

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Speaker 2: of people worldwide rediscover and deepen their power. Gina's performance

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Speaker 2: credits include the Lion King Stage musical, and she also

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Speaker 2: has created three original albums, Open Heart, Language of Light

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Speaker 2: and The Star and Speaking of Stars. Gina, welcome to

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Speaker 2: cultivating her space. Thank you, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: having me. I'm excited to be here with you both.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. You are so welcome. We're so excited to

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we are really looking forward to this conversation.

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Speaker 3: And so, Gina, I'm going to do the quote of

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Speaker 3: the day and it will sound really familiar to you

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Speaker 3: because these are your words.

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Speaker 2: Healing is real.

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Speaker 3: It is possible to free up a space in your

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Speaker 3: residents and put yourself there. I'm going to say that

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Speaker 3: you can really sit with this quote. Healing is real.

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Speaker 3: It is possible to free up a space in your

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Speaker 3: some contexts around that particular quote.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I can, I can, and thank you. I'm quite

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Speaker 2: honored that you shared it in this way to open

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Speaker 2: up our conversation. That comes from my own journey. All

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Speaker 2: those those kinds of sayings, I am that you know

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Speaker 2: I am. I am. I am my own testimony. I

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Speaker 2: and the work that I do is anchored in just

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Speaker 2: that creating space, freeing up space in the body or

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Speaker 2: harm will will essentially gets caught. And you know, wounds

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Speaker 2: that are not that are not taking care of fester

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Speaker 2: Harden become an energetic that feels immovable and passable and

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Speaker 2: we've been there before. We were recording and we're like,

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Speaker 2: where I can see them because they're pretties. That's right,

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Speaker 2: I know, that's right. Thank you, Gina, need to do it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Of course. Did I already want

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know what is your origin story? How

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Speaker 2: did you become the Gina breedlove that sits here with

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Speaker 2: And I the thing that I that I know shaped

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Speaker 2: my work, the happenings that shape my work, my mother

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Speaker 2: when I was five years old. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: raised in Brooklyn, as you shared. I consider it the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies Brooklyn up until early two thousand is a

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Speaker 2: first memory of doing energy work on my own body,

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Speaker 2: I was five. I mean literally, I was five years old.

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Speaker 2: And my mother and it's a much longer story, so

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Speaker 2: forget the broad brush. But my mom left us. My

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Speaker 2: of course, I could look back. I can understand the conditions.

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Speaker 2: I could understand, you know, the harm that my father

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Speaker 2: never seen. And I stood on that doorsetet for a

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Speaker 2: I have the language heartache, but I just felt like

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Speaker 2: Like I began to hum and tone all of the time,

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Speaker 2: Help heal? You know? So? Sound healing is an ancient

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, Ginete. Also, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: behind me humming and caretaking myself, even though I lived

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Speaker 2: And so humming, humming to yourself, humming in your car,

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Speaker 2: It is so detrimental to the well being of our spirit.

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Speaker 2: So often the grief is what drives behavior that is egregious,

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Speaker 2: Listen, we are porous beings, and so it's difficult for

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Speaker 2: So humming is away. Humming will cut a narrative. It

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Speaker 2: And so, Gina, thank you for that. So pleased.

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Speaker 3: grieve a lot of different things. You've been described as

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Speaker 2: And I love the two words together because of the

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Speaker 2: happening and dictate your love life, how you make your money,

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00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, how you see yourself in

431
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: the world. You know what I mean, Like it doesn't.

432
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: And I am a testimony, right because I took all

433
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: of those things and like to boulders and made them pebbles.

434
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: So I own my body, I own my sex, I

435
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: own my sound, right, And you know, I'm almost sixty.

436
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: I've been in practice for a really long time. And

437
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: I started can start until I was really like around

438
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: sexual trauma until I was in my thirties, and and

439
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: I and I practice all the time because of the

440
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: degree of trauma, right, the degree of trust that was broken,

441
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: the folks who were doing the harm, you know they're there.

442
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: There are absolutely different degrees. And I walked beside many, many,

443
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: many women who have reclaimed themselves out of those rooms,

444
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: out of those moments, right to a sense of ownership.

445
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, we can do it. For ourselves. Oh wow, Gina,

446
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: I just every time you speak, I just have so

447
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: many more questions. We're probably gonna go way off school.

448
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: We're just gonna let spirit flow. But goodness, the question

449
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: that came up for me now, Gina, is I'm thinking

450
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: about you know, I have some sexual trauma that I

451
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: experienced as a child, but also in adulthood as well.

452
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because I find that other Okay, I'll

453
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: speak for myself. I find that I am now digging

454
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: into that and in a way that I didn't in

455
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: the past. And I'm also in my thirties. So when

456
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: you said that, I'm like, oh, I wonder what you've

457
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: learned about why people might want to explore it or

458
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: dive into it, or just approach it in a new

459
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: way maybe later in life as opposed to when they're younger.

460
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: Do you have any insight into that? Financiance? Absolutely capacity capacity,

461
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: you know, when we're children. You know the thing about

462
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: that I love about the babies and the babies that

463
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: live inside of us, right that might be caught in

464
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: a moment of harm, they really just want to be free, right,

465
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: We know, babies, they want to be free, right, And

466
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: so and have fun and be cared for and be

467
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: loved and be seen. And so when we do, there's

468
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: a ritual in my book called soul retrieval, and it

469
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: is the literal rescuing of ourselves from these moments. So

470
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: when I go back and may, may I speak more explicitly,

471
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: or do you know when I go back to rescue

472
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: six year old Gina from my twelve year old cousin

473
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: molesting me repeatedly, when I go back and get her,

474
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: he is of no consequence, right, It's not about him, right,

475
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: It's never in the work that I offer. It's never

476
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: about the person doing the harm. And there are rooms

477
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: where we can unpack that, but not in this room,

478
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: because if I'm rescuing her, I don't give a fuck

479
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: about him, You feel me like I don't. I can't

480
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: do anything about him for him, anything, but I can

481
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: do something for her. And so in so retrieval, it's

482
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: like it's going back in the imaginal. Right, this is

483
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: where you get to really tap into your imagination, right,

484
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: and your visioning. And I it's all there step by said,

485
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: I I go, and I stopped the act. But I

486
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: take her out right, I take her, I lift her up,

487
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: I feel the weight of her body in minds, and

488
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: I take her to someplace safe, right, and I speak

489
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: to her and remind her of her glory, her beauty,

490
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: her power, her medicine, her magic. That she's safe now,

491
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, because all of my response to sexuality when

492
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: in my twenties was from that harm, was from that harm. Right.

493
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: But if I bring that baby girl back and she's

494
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: with me and appropriately allowed to be six, because that's

495
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: the other thing there, boundaries like you don't have a

496
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: bank account and you don't drive, and you damn sure

497
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: don't choose my lovers. But ba ba ba, right, And

498
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: that's and so retrieval is also an ancient ritual that

499
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: is associated and with shamanism. And it's a ritual that

500
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: I've done on my own body for over twenty years.

501
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: And then I've done with other people and talk to

502
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: other people. Right, And I will stay right here that

503
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: there's there are some rooms that I could not go

504
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: into on my own. And in the book, I say,

505
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: your body will tell you I could go back to

506
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: that room, I could go get that baby girl. There

507
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: was a room I could not go to. I needed

508
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: someone to go with me, and so I found a

509
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: black woman a somatic therapist and did the soul retrieval

510
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: with her in the room, right, And there are many

511
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: rooms that we can go back to on our own

512
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: and the body, your body wisdom will tell you you'll know,

513
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: and we don't ever push past a firm no from

514
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: the body. But often, often I will tell you that

515
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: when we go into the room, that baby girl's already

516
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: standing up wait for you. It's like carry out of

517
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: this goddamn rope, you know. And then there are rituals

518
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: for how to handle that room. Like. You know, I've

519
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: gone to rooms and I'm been like, y'all better leave

520
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: because I'm about to burn this shit down. And so

521
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: in the imaginal it's done. It's ash. She's with me now, right,

522
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: And so you know, I'm talking about work in the invisible.

523
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm talking about energy work, right, But I'm talking about

524
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's no for me. I'm you know, I

525
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: grew up in a missionary Baptist church right in apo Lectricola, Florida,

526
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: with my father's people. It ain't no different from wailing

527
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: and calling on spirit right to call. I mean to me,

528
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: it's no different. I'm not trying to upset folk. But

529
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: when I'm talking about the invisible and the power of spirit,

530
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: I also have power here, right, I also have power

531
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: gods in me, you know, and the sound of my

532
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: voice and my presence and my intention. I've gotten so

533
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: many baby girls out of harm filled rooms, and that's

534
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: how I got my body back, you know, That's how

535
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: I began to choose better. You're right, and feel worthy

536
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: of what I was choosing, you know. So I mean,

537
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: when you're grown as we are, we can go back

538
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: and get the babies, because the babies don't have capacity,

539
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: they don't know, and especially if the person doing harm

540
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: is someone you love. Oh my god, come on, it's

541
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: too confusing, it's too terrible to like discern. All you

542
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: want to do is not think about it. But you know,

543
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: towards in our early thirties, particularly late twenties and early thirties,

544
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: it starts thinking about us, and so we cannot not

545
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: do the work anymore. I mean, we can, we can

546
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: choose oblivion, but that ain't no choice, that's not a life, right,

547
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: and so that's partly why too.

548
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that insight and that beautiful explanation.

549
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: And so Gina, you keep referencing your book. Yes, and

550
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: so one of the things that you What I love

551
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: about your book is that it's so playing in terms

552
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: of easy to understand, it's not in I know, oftentimes

553
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: we can find books that are focused on healing that

554
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: might put things in academic language, or they're really based

555
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: for they're really made for providers and not for people themselves. Right, Yeah,

556
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: and your book is clearly for the people. One of

557
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: the things that you mentioned in here is a ritual

558
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: of pulling. Yes. Can you explain to our listeners what

559
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: pulling is.

560
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: Yes, happily, because that's one of my favorites. So pulling

561
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: in some language is called cutting, right, and it's the

562
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: literal cutting of energetic roots. I don't like cutting because

563
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: cutting leads roots. So so if I am breaking up

564
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: with someone right, yes, exactly, you know, I you know,

565
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm almost sixty. I've dated a few people, but pet

566
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: and and you know, and he's a lovely Let me

567
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: just talk about my daughter's father, because it's harder when

568
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: you have a connection right with somebody, like a real

569
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: we have blood between us now, right, and we're friends

570
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: and we care parent and he's got a beautiful new family,

571
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: Like it's all of that, but this is just for

572
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: the ritual. When we first flit up, when my baby

573
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: girl was five, she's gonna be twenty five now, there

574
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: was no I could not draw boundaries, you know, I

575
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: could not draw boundaries. And it was because I was

576
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: still carrying his energy in my pocket, right, And so

577
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: pulling is the literal exercise of going to you. Is

578
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: Chokra science, yogic science. It's not my lineage, but the

579
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: Chokra body, the seven energy sentils of the body. It's

580
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: a you know, it's millions of years of glory, right,

581
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: excuse me, hundreds of thousands of years of glory. And

582
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: it's an inexhaustibly beautiful science, yogic science. And so we

583
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: work with the seven chokras in the body. There's a

584
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: diagram and there's a very broad brush of what chokras

585
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: are because it's such a profound knowing. I always encourage

586
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: folk go to your own research, but I give enough

587
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: information for you to know that each energy center represents

588
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: some aspect of our lives.

589
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: Right.

590
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: So the root, which is where the parent, the perineum is,

591
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: it's a perineum parinem. I always forget, let's say the perinheum,

592
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: which is the space between the anus and the genitals.

593
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: And it's that space called the root because it anchors

594
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: us in our lives, to our word, to our home,

595
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 2: money relationships, like it's literally the root of your life.

596
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: And then moving out chocolate body, there's one around between

597
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: the navel and the root that's a sacral chakra. It's

598
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: the pelvic floor. It governs creativity, it governs sexuality, the

599
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: solar plexus and the heart and the throat, the third eye,

600
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: the crown, and so on and so in pulling ritual,

601
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: you go to each chakra right, and it's a physical practice.

602
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: If you have access, all of these rituals can be

603
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: tailored to whatever the access needs are. Right, and you pull,

604
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: I'll use my throat, and so you create the conditions right.

605
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: You make sure you got an hour and a half

606
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: to yourself, right, a soft place to rest. I always

607
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: encourage people do it in your bed. It's someplace familiar.

608
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: And then you go through chocolate to chakra, use my throat,

609
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: and you conjure this person. You think about the person,

610
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: You think about what was amazing, you think about what

611
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: was terrible, You think about all the things, and you

612
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: pull them, and it's a literal pull, and you give

613
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: the you give it weight, you give it texture, You pull,

614
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: you see it in your minds eye, and you pull

615
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: until it's like unraveling a spool of thread. You pull

616
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: until either you start cycling through the same memories, your

617
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: spirit says enough and you'll know, and or it just

618
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: kind of feels like it's taught, like okay, and then

619
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: you literally reach in and you imagine a hook that

620
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: you are pulling from your throat and you gather up

621
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: this energetic that you've evicted from your body and you

622
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: toss it away from me. Now here's where my ritual

623
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: differs from the usual. You'll hear in other rituals around

624
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: pulling or cutting that you should send love through the

625
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: cord from you to the person. I'm sorry, laugh, I'm sorry.

626
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: If you you know what spiritual bypassing is. That shit

627
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: about I got to forgive you before I have healed.

628
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: That's bananas. Okay, it's just bananas. I understand why we

629
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: rush to it because we want to feel better, but

630
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: it's just it's not real. Healing is absolutely not linear.

631
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: We gotta go back, we gotta go forward, we gotta

632
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, and always I feel center ourselves at it

633
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: and when we've been harmed, right, so I don't say

634
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: anything the chord. In fact, evictim The chord is the

635
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: most I do. When it comes to the person I'm evicting,

636
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: I toss it away and then I say, turn to

637
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: yourself quickly, because now there's a whole, there's a space,

638
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: there's an energetic space. And fill the space with your

639
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: name or something you love. You know, a color, the

640
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: color purple, like what is it? The song? The song,

641
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: the knowing? You know the sound the name. When you

642
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: hear it, and you hear it spoken by someone who

643
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: loves you, you feel most yourself or by yourself. But

644
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: you put yourself there and move on to the next thing.

645
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: And it is a ritual. It could take about an

646
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: hour because some chords are longer, like in the solar plexus,

647
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: which is where our will. It's surprising to some folk

648
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: when they're ending a sexual relationship that the longest cord

649
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: is in the will and not in the sacred chakra.

650
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: Ry yeah, because it's identity, right and like, and your

651
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: identity can be confused with being this person's partner. What

652
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: you've created in the world. You know what I mean,

653
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: if you're married or not, and this is my goodness,

654
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: this is a non binary And you know, however, and

655
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: whoever you love, I happen to be a queer black woman.

656
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't it does, It doesn't bless it.

657
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna pull somebody pull them?

658
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: Right?

659
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: Does it matter? None of those things matter. What matters

660
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: is the ownership of your body. And it doesn't stebbor relationships,

661
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: but it creates appropriate brown boundaries. It creates the conditions

662
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: or appropriate boundaries, right, because when you're not inside of

663
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: me and I can look at you and see you clearly,

664
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: I can make better decisions about how I want to

665
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: conduct this relationship. Wow, what an approachable way for listeners

666
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: to really. I love that you said pull instead of

667
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: cutting cores. I've always heard about cutting the cores. But

668
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: I love you say, we're pulled, pulling that thing from

669
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: the root. Okay, from the root.

670
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: Yes.

671
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, Gina, as you were speaking, I thought

672
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: about this time. You know, I tried my best to

673
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: meditate and I did this, you know, this chakra clearing

674
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: exercise years ago, and it was so powerful. But what

675
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: was interesting to me is that I was in the

676
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: process of doing these chants, and I believe there was

677
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: like a certain sound for each chakra. And I forgot

678
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: at what point this happened. But as I began to chant,

679
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: I thought everything was great. I was like, I'm having

680
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: a great day. I'm making time to meditate. I began

681
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: to chant, and I started so well, like I was

682
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: in my you know, medication closet by myself, and I

683
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: began to well, and I let it happen and let

684
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: it out, and it was so liberating. It was so

685
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: freeing and so beautiful, and I was like, what's from?

686
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: And so my question for you would be, how do

687
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: we know that a wound is taken up in a

688
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: jetic space in our bodies? Like how would someone know?

689
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: You know? That's such a brilliant question. And yeah, for

690
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: you wailing, I'll shay, I shay all day, because the

691
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: body has wisdom right, and even if the mind is

692
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: accur bidy elsewhere, the body body loves to release. You know,

693
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: you can know it by a practice of stepping back

694
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: and noticing patterns right looking at the things you talk

695
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: about the most, like begin to really keenly turn towards

696
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: your conversation. If you find yourself in relationship with the

697
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: same person, different face, different name, but it's the same

698
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: energetic exactly right. That is something to take a look at, like, Oh,

699
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: because I I to bring our power back to us,

700
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm choosing you. I'm choosing you. Now, Why am I

701
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: choosing you?

702
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Know?

703
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: I get curious about my why because that's part of

704
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: how I stay empowered with my own power. I can't

705
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: give you my power, you know, if you are mistreating me, right,

706
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: and you're mistreating me in the way this last one did.

707
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: Excuse me for that vernacular, but the last relationship did.

708
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: That's on me. You know. I'm not absorbing you of

709
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: your behavior, Like get the hints, and I tell you now,

710
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: why what am I reconfirming? What do I really believe

711
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: about myself that I deserve? You know, I come back

712
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: to myself gently. I taught myself to speak to myself

713
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: the way I speak to my daughter. And I never

714
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: would ever call my daughter stupid or incapable or all

715
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: the things I used to call myself because harm does that.

716
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: Harm creates those narratives, you know, especially if we weren't protected. Oh,

717
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: that's a whole other room, right, And so I look

718
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: at patterns. If I find myself having the same conversation

719
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: over and over again in different places about boundaries or disrespect,

720
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: I look at myself, all right, Gina, what do you

721
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: what do you create? What do you believe about this? Gee?

722
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: And I mean literally, I talk to myself and I'll

723
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: sit back for a minute, and I'll draw a through

724
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: line and I'll listen, and I'll ask myself questions like

725
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: how is this familiar? What does this remind you of?

726
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: Who does this person remind you of? You know? And

727
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: invariably my spirit will serve up, Oh that's your father, that,

728
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: oh that's your mom you know, or you know, like

729
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: our primary relationships. Now, y'all, this is not to vilify

730
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: mommy or daddy or grandma or uncle. You know what

731
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: I mean. It's not it's not And it is also

732
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: not premature exoneration, Like I don't want to vilify my

733
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: mother for leaving or my dad for what he did.

734
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: That's not how I want to spend my energy. But

735
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: what I want to do is acknowledge harm, right, I

736
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: mean I not. You know, all of us how we

737
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: feel about our mama is if we can, right. We

738
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: want to protect our people, but not at my expense,

739
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: you know. So I want to honor that our parents

740
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: and our grandparents, our people have their own stories and reasons.

741
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: I want to honor that and have empathy for it.

742
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: But I don't want it to negate how it impacted me.

743
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: And that's the piece. That's the piece. And so leaning

744
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: back and checking out your own behavior, right, what do

745
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: I really believe?

746
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: Ooh ooh. I know some people are going to be

747
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: listening to this and saying, wait now, hold on, I

748
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: got to look back at myself. Yeah, ABCD, X, Y

749
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: and Z. They all didn't mean wrong. Yes, yes, And

750
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: you're saying I have to look at me. That can

751
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: be a lot for someone to take.

752
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: In, right, yes, yes, yes, But let's.

753
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Say they hear you yes, and they're like, okay, all right,

754
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: I'm ready to do this. Yes, and they start to

755
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: do the work right, and maybe they they're in your

756
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: book and they are like, okay, let me, I'm going

757
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: to find one of the one ritual. Which other rituals

758
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: and practices that you have in your book would you

759
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: recommend someone to start with If they're saying, Okay, I

760
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: gotta find my why I got to start doing this

761
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: inner work?

762
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I would encourage folk to start with there's

763
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: a chapter on the alchemy of true apology, and also affirmations.

764
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: Right.

765
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: So I got introduced to affirmations when I was thirteen

766
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: because of Natasagi's Shanghai's for Color Girls who have considered

767
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: suicide right, and discovered that the rainbow, when the rainbow

768
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: is enough forgive me, I said that title wrong. And

769
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: I was thirteen when I went to see the play

770
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: and there were these beautiful black women affirming. You know,

771
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: I found God in myself and I loved her fiercely.

772
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: And each one and I'm paraphrasing, and each woman had

773
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: a story about pain, about grief, about suffering, and finding

774
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: their way to themselves and their power. So I would

775
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: say affirmations. Affirmations really helped me to rewire narratives because

776
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: I had terrible narratives. You're not, you're never, you ain't ever.

777
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Those were how all of my and our narratives begin

778
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: through harm, through shame. You know shame is I would yes, sir,

779
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: I know that. You know, collective shame has some service

780
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: in the community. It will say you're acting outside of yourself,

781
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: you have to be honorable. All of those things I

782
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: get that, but that's not the shame on me. I'm

783
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: talking about the shame that will have us hiding in

784
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: a dark room die, right, the shame that won't have

785
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: us not asking for help or glass of water like,

786
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: that's shame. Shame is a bitch. Ass in Brooklyn's shame

787
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: will get the ass beat, whore, and my Brookly we

788
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: get the ass beat, all right, right, that's right. So

789
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 2: I think affirmations that I want to make the distinction

790
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: to around harm. I'm not talking about childhood harm. We

791
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: have no power when we're children. Please know I'm not

792
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: talking about that. But I'm talking about I'm talking about

793
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: literally this thing where I get fired from this from

794
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: my job every six months. Is that the person I'm

795
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: working for? Or is there something I'm doing? And I'm

796
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: talking about looking at it generously, right, like looking at

797
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: that like or like my family was evicted all the time,

798
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: Like we slept and we slept in shelters, we had

799
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 2: food in security, we had housing insecurity. When I became

800
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: an adult, I kept recreating that right and be blaming

801
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: that shit on other people. But I had to be like,

802
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: why is it that I'll make all this money on

803
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: the road with Harry Belafonte and then come back and

804
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: two months later, I ain't got no money. Am I

805
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: gonna blame that on my level? You know what I mean?

806
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 2: Like I had to and then gently look at myself

807
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: because I want to own my mind. I want to

808
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: own my life. I don't want to be at the

809
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: effect of some shit that happened to me when I

810
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: had no control over them. That's the distinction that makes

811
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: perfect sense. And I'm glad that you emphasized the generosity

812
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: that we're to ourselves. Okay, So, Gina, we love. We

813
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: could talk to you all day to ask a last question.

814
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: We know you have a life. We're not going to

815
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: take you from your babies, and we want to ask

816
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: one last question before we shift up the energy and

817
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: go into our next segment. So the final question for

818
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: this particular segment is how do you embrace your spiritual

819
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: gifts if you don't have support, if people are like,

820
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: oh them voices are okay, or they're making fun of

821
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: you and you just you don't have that support around you.

822
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: That's such a great question, and now you can find

823
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: your tribe. I mean, there are some things that I

824
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: find frightening about this time in terms of media and

825
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: no privacy and the ways in which things can be

826
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: hacked and changed and shifted. We know that if it's

827
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: used for ill, right, But there are some glorious things

828
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: about social media and about being able to reach a

829
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: community on the other side of the country, on the

830
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: other side of the world. Finding your tribe right is

831
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: the way. Like there are lots of black folk cultivating

832
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: healing spaces, right, and you will find someone that speaks

833
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: your language. I know about like at least twenty people

834
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: who have like created communities in like in Mexico, right

835
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: in other countries, like folks are like and created online

836
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: communities for black folk that are or LATINX folks, you know,

837
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: people of color that are looking for Like I grew

838
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: up in the church, but that's not my jam, right,

839
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: that was my mama or my grandmama's jam. This is

840
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: what I believe, right, or I'm interested in who do

841
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: or I'm interested in you know you know what is which?

842
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: Like what does that mean really like before it was

843
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: co opted? Right, what does it mean to use the

844
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: energetic of my monthly or the moon or the river

845
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: or the you know what I mean? Or African spirituality

846
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: like I'm interested in Europe, I'm interested in me Fa,

847
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm interested in Luca me Like there's a world right

848
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: that you can access now by doing your research. And also,

849
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: like in the book I have, I've listed lots of

850
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: places where folk can find resources, you know what I mean.

851
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: I've got folk in there doing all kinds of ritual work.

852
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: You can find your tribe, and I would say, find

853
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: your try. Yeah, yeah, that will reflect you as you

854
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: know yourself. So amazing, Thank you so much for that.

855
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: And we know that this conversation, although it's been a

856
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: beautiful conversation, it could be cathartic for some folks. It

857
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 2: could bring up a lot for them, right, And so

858
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: we wanted to We usually do this segment at the

859
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: middle of the show, but we wanted to close out

860
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: your interview with this and so Gina, because we recognize, appreciate,

861
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and we believe that it's

862
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: okay to be bougie, classy and ratchet. It can still

863
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: be all the things. You can be elegant and dance

864
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: to strip club music if you so choose, So Gina,

865
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: we want to invite you to the ou Blatchett segment,

866
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: Do you take a challenge? Yes, she said, let's do

867
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: it all right? Oh right, I love this. Yeah, thirteen.

868
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: Now we're going to ask you three questions. We're going

869
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: to share three sentence completions, and then close by we

870
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: have three photos of you and we're going to have

871
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: you choose one photo and describe the photo and provide

872
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: more context about the photo. So, okay, I'm going to

873
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: pass it over to down to get started, and then

874
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: we're going to jump into the rest of the segment.

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00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, Okay, So our first question, what is the

876
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: best piece of wisdom or advice you've ever received?

877
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: Do not confuse your presence for the event? Oh tell

878
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: me that you're pressed with the event. Yeah, like when

879
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: you are doing your work in the world.

880
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: You know.

881
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 2: Another way to say that is, I'm not the healing.

882
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm not the healing. I trust your body's capacity, and

883
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't get you know, attached. You know, you have wisdom,

884
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: you have power. It ain't about me.

885
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

886
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Gina not to dig in too deep, because

887
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: now I have questions about that. Is it empowering the

888
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: attendee of the healing ceremony to be the hero of

889
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: their own healing and absolutely like I'm a holder, I'm

890
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: a fearsholder. I'm good at what I do, right, but

891
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: my job is to create the conditions for you to know.

892
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I love that.

893
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm glad you broke that down because I'm like some

894
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: people might catch that a couple of hours later. That

895
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: was good, Like that was that was great?

896
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: Thank you?

897
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: And so Jina, we're gonna switch up a little bit.

898
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: We have four words for you to work or test.

899
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 3: I can't.

900
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: I love it.

901
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 4: I truly.

902
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: I think we like it. We like a go ahead.

903
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: My daughter kids like.

904
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: Damn, okay, Gina, what is the sexiest item you own?

905
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be mad at me, but I have

906
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: to the same my skin.

907
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, it is glowing from my perspective over here, well,

908
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 3: it's screen, it is glowing. It is getting mm hmmm.

909
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: Jena. Now we have our sentence completions. The first sentence

910
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: completion for you is one question or topic I wish

911
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: people ask me about more often is what it requires

912
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: the rigor it requires to do the work I do

913
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: the rigor And yeah, I would love to talk more

914
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: about that because I think you know what's happened with

915
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: this quick fixed situation that ain't real, you know, and

916
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: it's doing all of us of disservice. I should have

917
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: this yesterday. I mean, there are some immediate wins hallelujah,

918
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: but a lot of shit. It's cultivated over time, you know,

919
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: and requires something of us, you know. And so yeah,

920
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: I wish that. Yeah, I'd like to talk more about that.

921
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you should mention that our next sentence

922
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: completion is the one thing I wish people knew about

923
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: this work is.

924
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: That if you do not take care of yourself, you

925
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: will get sick. Energy is a thing, and I've known

926
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: a lot of sick healers and holders. I've known a

927
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: lot of folk to die. Yeah, and so I am

928
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: very very serious about care now, you know. I became

929
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: that once, you know, folk were dropping around me and

930
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: I because I don't want gonna know it. I like

931
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: this realm with all its imperfections in Kray, I like

932
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: this room. And so if, yeah, if I don't take

933
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: care of myself, yeah, caretaking myself is powerfully important to me. Yeah.

934
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: That and Gina, our final sentence completion for you is

935
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: what I love most about myself is my capacity for joy,

936
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: Like I really am grateful. I feel like that's from God, Grace,

937
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: the ancestors. I'm gonna thank everybody because it do the

938
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: harm and I have been horrifically harmed. I was always

939
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: able to revel in beauty, like you know, the natural

940
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: world or sound music. I love to be happy, you know,

941
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: And that's you know, I have to say, especially right now,

942
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: I cry every day like this. It's a shit show

943
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: happening globally, we know it. And these babies, you know,

944
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: I can't you know, but mothers and children and what's happening,

945
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: you know. I I want to honor everybody's connection, but

946
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: Gaza and Soudan, you know, like what's happening in the

947
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: United States. This absolutely insane person is going to be

948
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: the front runner, the GOP frontrunner. Like I'm you know,

949
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: so I weep about where that is. And then as

950
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: a woman of faith, I'm like, okay, but we're gonna

951
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: figure it out. And then you know, I'll some butterfly

952
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: will go Briyan, I'll be like, but what Okay, Yeah,

953
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: my capacity for joy has saved me. Yeah, beautiful. And

954
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: then Gina, we have these photos put up of you

955
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: and so we'd love for you to choose the number

956
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: out of one in three and then we'll share this photo. Okay,

957
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: that's a big screen. Okay, okay, so what's your number

958
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: out of one in three? H two. I'm so happy

959
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: you chose this photo. Okay, So, Gina, if you can

960
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: describe the photo for and then give us some contents

961
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 2: behind it. I thought, the smile on this photo, Gina,

962
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: is just so contagious, and I'm so happy you chose it.

963
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: But please describe it to the listeners and then give

964
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: us the contact. Yes, we had just finished well, yeah,

965
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm leaning on a beloved friend, Julie Wolf, who is

966
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: an incredible musician and has been MD for me, musical

967
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: director for me for a lot of years. And we

968
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: had just finished a performance at a place in the

969
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: Bay Area called Freighton Salvage and it was you know,

970
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: we had an amazing time and it was just gorgeous.

971
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: I felt really good, and so Julie and I were

972
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: hugging at the end of the show. Thank you so

973
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: much for that. That's my She is so genuinely happy

974
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: here like this is a beautiful picture. So I'm happy

975
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: you chose that. Thank you so much. We appreciate you

976
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: how you're holding space and making an impact in the world,

977
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: and yes, just think you. Thank you so much. What

978
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: next steps would you love to share with our listeners?

979
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: How can they connect with you? Feel for the gift?

980
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: Feel free to give them all the details how they

981
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: can get the book all that good stuff so they

982
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: can come out and support. Yeah, thank you. You can

983
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Speaker 2: get my website ginebreelive dot com. I have been guiding

984
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Speaker 2: folk to a bookstore in Atlanta. I like independent bookstores.

985
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Speaker 2: I'm not mad at Amazon. I am mad at Abaa,

986
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Speaker 2: but I'm also not you know, like do what you

987
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: gotta do. Access needs all the things right, but if

988
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: you can, if you go to my site, they're the

989
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Speaker 2: first bookseller. And also we we're doing a twenty one

990
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: day practice. It's closed now, but I frequently offer community practices.

991
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Speaker 2: We have like four hundred people sign up to the

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Speaker 2: last twenty one days. It's in the book. I'm going

993
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 2: to be doing some more teaching online, so those things

994
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: will be there. You know, folks want to be their email,

995
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: we can get in touch with you. We will not

996
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: send you too much because I don't have that kind

997
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: of capacity, but quarterly you might get ahead what's up?

998
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 2: But that would be the way right now. Yeah, y'all

999
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: is stunning. Waitmen, thank you for this time, thank you

1000
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: for this offering that you give to community, and thank

1001
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: you so much for inviting me to your house. Were welcome.

1002
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: We have to have in the future, Gina, Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: it would be my grace and I thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Hey, lady, it's doctor dom here from the

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Speaker 3: Cultivating her Space podcast. Are you currently a resident of

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Speaker 3: the state of California and contemplating starting your therapy journey? Well,

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Speaker 3: if so, please reach out to me at doctor Dominique

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Speaker 3: Brusard dot com. That's d R D O M I

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1011
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1012
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1014
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1015
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1017
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Speaker 2: And before we meet again, repeat after me. The universe

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Speaker 2: is conspiring for my success. I trust the process and

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Speaker 2: surrender to the flow.