WEBVTT - Diane Schuler: The Wrong Way Home

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<v Speaker 1>Diversion audio. A note this episode contains mature content and

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of violence that may be disturbing for some listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Please take care in listening. July twenty sixth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine was the perfect summer day. It was a Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>and the highway was packed with families returning to the

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<v Speaker 1>city from weekend trips upstate. Station wagons stuffed with coolers,

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<v Speaker 1>camping equipment, and screaming children vied for their piece of

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<v Speaker 1>the road. Frances Bagley and his wife Jean were one

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<v Speaker 1>of the cars traveling on the freeway that day. They

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<v Speaker 1>were returning home from a trip up to Delaware County

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<v Speaker 1>when they noticed a red forward Windstar driving behind them.

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<v Speaker 1>The car got closer and closer until it was right

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<v Speaker 1>on their tail. The driver flashed her lights and honked repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 1>Jean braced herself for a crash. As the vehicle came

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<v Speaker 1>within a hard stopping distance of their back bumper. The

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<v Speaker 1>Windstar swerved to the right. It tried to pull up

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<v Speaker 1>onto the grassy shoulder and pass them. As the minivan

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<v Speaker 1>edged off the road, the driver seemed to reconsider and

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<v Speaker 1>dove back into traffic. There was something oddly precise about

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<v Speaker 1>the driver's movements. She moved in and out of the lanes,

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<v Speaker 1>almost as if she were doing it with a purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bagglies watched in horror as the other cars swerved

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<v Speaker 1>out of her way, allowing the red minivan to zigzag

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<v Speaker 1>its way down the crowded highway. Jean and Frances didn't

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<v Speaker 1>catch a glimpse of the driver's face as she sped

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<v Speaker 1>by them, but there were plenty of other witnesses who did.

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<v Speaker 1>What they described was a middle aged woman with an

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<v Speaker 1>oddly placid expression. She sat in the driver's seat with

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<v Speaker 1>her back straight and her hands gripping the steering wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>At ten and two, she looked forward, unblinking, focusing intently

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<v Speaker 1>on the road in front of her. As one witness

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<v Speaker 1>would later put it, she didn't stop, she didn't slow down,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't move. I thought it was some one who

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<v Speaker 1>was dead set on killing themselves. Welcome to the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>true crime stories ever told. I'm Mary Kay mac braer.

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<v Speaker 1>To day's episode, We're calling Diane Schuller the Wrong Way Home.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the story of an ordinary suburban mom who did

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<v Speaker 1>something extraordinarily terrible and how the people who were left

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up the pieces found themselves, asking the same

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<v Speaker 1>question over and over again, why more after the break?

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<v Speaker 1>When I listen to true chrome stories, even when I

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<v Speaker 1>watch very fictional horror movies, I want an actual ending,

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<v Speaker 1>no ambiguous was it all a dream? Closing scenes in

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<v Speaker 1>fiction that's lazy writing. Nothing will get me to quit

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show faster than a cliffhanger ending. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a cliffhanger. You just didn't finish the story, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means you don't believe in your show enough to trust

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<v Speaker 1>that your audience will return if you give them an

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<v Speaker 1>answer to the question you've been posing all along. What

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<v Speaker 1>they don't tell you unless you're in a writing class,

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<v Speaker 1>is that real life doesn't have that tidy causality. Event

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<v Speaker 1>A doesn't ever directly cause event B, and all conclusions

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<v Speaker 1>have been chosen. You have to transpose the meaning when

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<v Speaker 1>you tell the story, otherwise it's just a list of

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<v Speaker 1>shit that happened. The example I always used when teaching

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<v Speaker 1>creative writing was this, real life, the queen died and

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<v Speaker 1>then the king died. In writing, the queen died and

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<v Speaker 1>then the king died of grief. We add the causality

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<v Speaker 1>when we tell us story, whether we mean to or not,

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<v Speaker 1>fiction or nonfiction. The telling of the story is what

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<v Speaker 1>makes the cause and effect. It's why the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>who done it is so easy to spot after the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what happened, so in retrospect we can build

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative with relevant details and leave out almost everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, journalism has to put the lead

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<v Speaker 1>at the top. Leaving it till the end implies too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and a plot is a creative device. Basically, there are

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<v Speaker 1>no true stories. Life is too subjective to have three acts,

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<v Speaker 1>or even five. If you want to be fatalistic, you

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<v Speaker 1>could say that everything that happens is random. We get

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<v Speaker 1>to decide the meaning based on how we tell the story,

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<v Speaker 1>like Joan Diddyon said, and we tell ourselves stories in

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<v Speaker 1>order to live. So we avoided telling this story about

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<v Speaker 1>Diane Shuller for a while because the causality is so

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<v Speaker 1>subjective that it seems to not exist. There are too

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<v Speaker 1>many theories that leave too much unanswered, and that bothers me.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're telling it now because this is an important

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<v Speaker 1>story and it needs a conclusion. So bear with me

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<v Speaker 1>as I walk you through what happened, because it did happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you'll find a narrative thread that I couldn't see.

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<v Speaker 1>When people describe Diane Schuller, the person they remember was

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<v Speaker 1>a domestic machine. Diane took care of everything. She made

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<v Speaker 1>sure the car got washed, the gutters got cleaned, and

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<v Speaker 1>the kids got picked up from soccer practice, and she

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<v Speaker 1>did it all with a smile on her face, without complaint.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane was born in nineteen seventy three in Floral Park,

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<v Speaker 1>New York. Floral Park is a quiet suburb on the

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<v Speaker 1>eastern edge of Long Island. It's the kind of small

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<v Speaker 1>East Coast town where everyone knows everyone, where people know

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<v Speaker 1>their roles and they don't question them. Diane's mother left

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<v Speaker 1>the family when she was only nine. Though she was

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest child, Diane was the girl of the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant that the role of mother figure passed

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<v Speaker 1>to her. She became the one who cleaned the kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>and did the laundry, who took care of her three

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<v Speaker 1>older brothers. If Diane resented all that responsibility, she did

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<v Speaker 1>not show it. In fact, she seemed to take to

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<v Speaker 1>the role. Diane liked being in control. Floral Park is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of town where most women are married with

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<v Speaker 1>children by their early twenties, but Diane never dated much.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while, it must have seemed like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>marriage and family thing just wasn't going to happen for her,

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<v Speaker 1>so Diane focused on other things. She spent a few

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<v Speaker 1>years attending Nassau Community College, but dropped out after getting

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<v Speaker 1>an administrative job at an East Coast television network called Cablevision.

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<v Speaker 1>It was exactly the kind of move that an organized, efficient,

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<v Speaker 1>take charge sort of person might make. At Cablevision, there

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<v Speaker 1>was room for Diane to grow. Before long, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the assistant anymore. Someone else was assisting her. She moved

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<v Speaker 1>up to the role of corporate accounting executive, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>she was making six figures. Her life was going well,

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<v Speaker 1>and then at a friend's wedding in nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>Diane met Danny. Daniel Schuler was handsome and fun. He

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<v Speaker 1>loved camping and fishing, and he was on his way

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<v Speaker 1>to becoming a public safety officer for the Nassau County

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<v Speaker 1>Public Parks Department. But more important than any of that,

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<v Speaker 1>he and Diane just clicked from the start. In one interview,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny's mother described how Diane made all the decisions. Danny

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<v Speaker 1>was like her eldest son. Look, it takes all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>and if it worked for them, it worked for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane and Danny bought a beige split level with a

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<v Speaker 1>big yard and a small town of West Babylon. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just twenty miles away from the house where Diane

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<v Speaker 1>grew up. In two thousand and four, Diane gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to a son, Brian, and then two years later she

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<v Speaker 1>had a daughter, Aaron. Diane settled into the role of matriarch,

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<v Speaker 1>the same role she'd always played, only now it was

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<v Speaker 1>her own house and her own family. Diane made sure

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<v Speaker 1>that her kids never had to worry about their mother

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<v Speaker 1>abandoning them. The house in West Babylon seemed like a

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<v Speaker 1>happy one. There were parties and cookouts in the big backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>picture perfect Christmases and Easter dinners, and Diane presided over

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. She was the one who decorated the

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<v Speaker 1>house and sent out the Christmas cards. She made Valentines

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<v Speaker 1>for her brothers and nieces, photo albums for their in laws.

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<v Speaker 1>She made most of the money, paid the bills, cooked dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and took the kids into bed, all without a word

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<v Speaker 1>of complaint. After all, Diane liked being in charge. She

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<v Speaker 1>was good at it, and she had to be good

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<v Speaker 1>at it. In July of two thousand and nine, Danny

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<v Speaker 1>and Diane planned to take their two kids and three

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<v Speaker 1>nieces on a camping trip up to Hunter Lake Campground

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<v Speaker 1>in the Catskills. The nieces were the three daughters of

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<v Speaker 1>Diane's older brother, Warren Hants. There was eight year old Emma,

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<v Speaker 1>seven year old Allison, and five year old Katie. Diane

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<v Speaker 1>was always close with her brother Warren and his wife Jackie.

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<v Speaker 1>The two families often spent time together, but the Hants

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<v Speaker 1>adults were not exactly camping people, which same, so they

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<v Speaker 1>decided to sit the trip out. Diane was going to

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<v Speaker 1>borrow Jackie's larger car and drive all five children to

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<v Speaker 1>the campsite on her own. On Friday, Danny left early

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<v Speaker 1>to set up the camp site. A few hours later,

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<v Speaker 1>Diane drove to the Hanses to pick up their three girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane and the kids piled into Jackie's red Ford Windstar,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jackie Hans waved goodbye as they drove away. Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>was prone to anxiety, so perhaps it wasn't surprising that

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<v Speaker 1>she felt a pang of nerves when she learned Warren

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<v Speaker 1>and Diane's father would not be joining the trip. She

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed the thought as irrational. The campsite was only a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours away, and besides, Diane was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most responsible people she knew. Jackie could trust Diane. The

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<v Speaker 1>last weekend of July two thousand and nine was a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful one. Danny, Diane, and the kids spent it fishing, hiking,

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<v Speaker 1>and swimming in the lake. When Sunday rolled around, they

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<v Speaker 1>were tired, happy, and ready to go home. According to Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>he woke up around six am and went down to

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<v Speaker 1>the dock to clean out his boat. Diane was up

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<v Speaker 1>around seven cleaning, packing, and doing what needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>done so they could hit the road before traffic got bad.

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<v Speaker 1>By nine point thirty they were ready to leave. Danny

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<v Speaker 1>got into his truck with the dog. Diane and the

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<v Speaker 1>kids followed behind in the minivan. The owner of the

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<v Speaker 1>campground bid them goodbye. She remembered hugging Diane, and everything

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<v Speaker 1>seemed perfectly normal in a way. This moment when Danny

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<v Speaker 1>and Diane's path diverged is where the mystery begins. What

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<v Speaker 1>exactly happened after that point is anyone's guess. While many

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<v Speaker 1>of the events of July twenty sixth, two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>nine remain a mystery, there are some things we can

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<v Speaker 1>piece together from the various people who encountered Diane Schuler

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<v Speaker 1>that day. Danny headed straight home and put in a

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<v Speaker 1>load of laundry, while Diane and the kids stopped for

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast at a McDonald's about fifteen minutes from the campsite.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane bought breakfast for the kids and coffee and an

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<v Speaker 1>orange juice for herself. The employees at the McDonald's remembered

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<v Speaker 1>Diane her son Brian, wanted to order chicken nuggets, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't serve them that early, so Diane asked to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to a manager. It seems like Diane was unusual

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<v Speaker 1>for and I want to speak to the manager type,

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<v Speaker 1>because according to the employees, she was perfectly reasonable. She

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<v Speaker 1>was polite, sane, and sober, just determined to get some

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<v Speaker 1>chicken nuggets for her son. Diane and the kids were

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of the McDonald's within half an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>no small feat for a single adult with five children.

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<v Speaker 1>The next record of their journey comes from a gas

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<v Speaker 1>station at eleven Diane stopped at a Sonoko and went

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<v Speaker 1>into the Minimore to ask if they stalked tylan al

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<v Speaker 1>or aspirin. The clerk told her they didn't have anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and Diane left without incident. The clerk remembers her seeming normal,

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<v Speaker 1>just like everyone else. There's a video of Diane and

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<v Speaker 1>walking into the mini mart, grainy footage of her striding

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<v Speaker 1>confidently into the store and surveying the aisles of chips

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<v Speaker 1>and candy. She does seem normal, but then you can

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<v Speaker 1>never quite know what's going on under the surface. At

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thirty seven, Emma, the oldest of Diane's nieces, called

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<v Speaker 1>her father on Diane's cell. She told him they hit

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<v Speaker 1>traffic and would be getting home later than planned. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve oh eight pm, Jackie Hans called Diane to

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<v Speaker 1>ask what time they'd be arriving. It was an ordinary conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>They chatted about logistics, Diane asked about getting tickets for

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<v Speaker 1>a play that Emma was in. After a few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>they hung up. Jackie wasn't worried, as far as she knew,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no reason to be. But the next time

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<v Speaker 1>Emma called her mother, there was very clear cause for concern.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jackie picked up. Emma said there's something wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>Aunt Diane. Jackie could hear her other daughters crying in

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<v Speaker 1>the background. She asked Emma what was going on, but

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<v Speaker 1>the eight year old was too upset to give her

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<v Speaker 1>a real answer. Before Jackie could get any more information,

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<v Speaker 1>Diane took the phone from Emma. She told Jackie that

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<v Speaker 1>the kids were just playing around, being silly. Diane's words

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<v Speaker 1>sounded slurred as she continued talking. Jackie noticed that her

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<v Speaker 1>sentences were incoherent. Jackie was growing increasingly panicked. She asked

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<v Speaker 1>Diane to give the phone back to Emma, but Diane

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<v Speaker 1>ignored her. Soon the call was cut off. Jackie's husband

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<v Speaker 1>and Diane's brother, Warren, arrived home just as the call ended.

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<v Speaker 1>He called Diane back right away. They stayed on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone for eight minutes as Diane drove through a toll

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<v Speaker 1>booth and then pulled over at a rest stop. Warren

0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.760
<v Speaker 1>told his sister not to go anywhere. Then he got

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<v Speaker 1>her to hand the phone back to Emma, who read

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<v Speaker 1>him the nearby road signs. Warren thought they must be

0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.760
<v Speaker 1>just beyond the tappan Zee Bridge, near the village of Terrytown.

0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.200
<v Speaker 1>It was only forty five minutes away. He told Diane

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<v Speaker 1>to stay where she was he was coming to get her.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the last time anyone ever spoke to Diane.

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<v Speaker 1>Half an hour after Warren left his house, calls flooded

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<v Speaker 1>into nine one one. There was a woman driving seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five miles an hour down the Taconic State Parkway and

0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:45.719
<v Speaker 1>she was going the wrong way. The north and southbound

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.919
<v Speaker 1>lanes of Taconic State Parkway are separated by a wide,

0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:55.000
<v Speaker 1>grassy median. The road wasn't made for cars going seventy

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<v Speaker 1>or eighty miles an hour, and it's obvious the narrow,

0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:07.080
<v Speaker 1>twisting highway has a reputation for being a scary road.

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<v Speaker 1>For whatever unknown reason. After the call with her brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Diane exited the freeway headed back north. She drove fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>miles in the opposite direction of her home before entering

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<v Speaker 1>the Taconic State Parkway at one thirty three pm via

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<v Speaker 1>an exit ramp. People who witnessed her driving said that

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<v Speaker 1>her expression was almost serene, that she drove in a

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<v Speaker 1>straight line without swerving or veering off course. Diane raced

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<v Speaker 1>down the two lane highway for almost two miles, unfazed

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<v Speaker 1>by the honking cars that lurched out of her way

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 1>as she barreled down on them. Finally, one of those

0:18:52.080 --> 0:19:06.879
<v Speaker 1>cars didn't make it out of her way. Guy Bastardi

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<v Speaker 1>was driving up to his sister's house in Yorktown Heights

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner along with his eighty one year old father

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and a family friend. Seven miles from their destination, a

0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 1>GMC driving in front of them swerved out of the

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<v Speaker 1>way to avoid Diane's minivan. There was no time to react.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy's car collided head on with Diane's minivan in a

0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.960
<v Speaker 1>blast of tearing metal. The Windstar rolled down the grassy

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.800
<v Speaker 1>slope beside the highway and burst into flames. Guy bas

0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Stardi's car was flung in the opposite direction. It skidded

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<v Speaker 1>across the two lane freeway and was hit by the

0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:51.040
<v Speaker 1>stun driver of a Chevy Tracker. The occupants of that

0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.960
<v Speaker 1>car escaped with only minor injuries, but seven of the

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.120
<v Speaker 1>nine people and the other two cars were killed on impact.

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Five year old ca Katie was rushed to the hospital,

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.280
<v Speaker 1>but she died soon after her arrival. The only survivor

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.160
<v Speaker 1>was Diane's five year old son, Brian. The media frenzy

0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 1>began almost immediately. By eleven PM, reporters arrived at the Bustardes' home.

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.680
<v Speaker 1>The following morning, a media mob gathered outside the Hans's house.

0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Donations to the families came flooding in, including nearby restaurants

0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that provided food for the Hans girl's funeral. Thousands of

0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 1>people attended the wake, and a local priest pulled strings

0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 1>so that the girls could be buried right away alongside

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.359
<v Speaker 1>their aunt and cousin. Reporters questioned whether there was enough

0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.119
<v Speaker 1>signage at the exit ramp. A few speculated that Diane

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.879
<v Speaker 1>may have been trying to kill herself, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, those covering the crash did not blame Diane.

0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 1>She was painted as a loving and responsible parent. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as anyone could see. Diane was just as much

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:05.080
<v Speaker 1>a victim as anyone else, which leaves the question why

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.440
<v Speaker 1>did this happen? Maybe there weren't as many wrong way

0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>signs as there could be, but there were signs. Why

0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't she try to pull off the road when she

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.560
<v Speaker 1>realized she was going the wrong way? Why did she

0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 1>go fifteen miles in the wrong direction? How did she

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.040
<v Speaker 1>end up on the Taconic in the first place. As

0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the investigation proceeded, a different story started to emerge. Investigators

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.840
<v Speaker 1>soon managed to track down witnesses who encountered the forward

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Windstar earlier in the day. They spoke to one couple

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.439
<v Speaker 1>who remembered seeing the car around eleven thirty am, just

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour after Diane was at the Sunoco station,

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 1>seeming perfectly normal. Several drivers saw the minivan honking, aggressively,

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:56.360
<v Speaker 1>tailgating other cars, and zigzagging between the lanes of traffic. Then,

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.920
<v Speaker 1>at eleven forty five, just fifteen minutes before that very

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:04.639
<v Speaker 1>ordinary conversation with Jackie Hans, a couple reported seeing the

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 1>car pulled over by the side of the road. Diane

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.160
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be standing beside it, vomiting into the grass.

0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Another couple reported a similar story from a half hour later.

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Diane pulled over with her hands on her knees, apparently

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 1>throwing up. And there was another clue. After accident, reconstructionists

0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 1>moved the seats from the minivan, they found a broken

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 1>vodka bottle. Then came the autopsy report. According to the report,

0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Diane's blood alcohol content was zero point one nine percent,

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 1>well past the legal limit of point zero eight. There

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.640
<v Speaker 1>were six grams of undigested alcohol still in her stomach,

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and a high level of tetrahydrocannabinol. That's THHC, the part

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.199
<v Speaker 1>of pot that gets you high. The conclusion reached by

0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the medical examiner was that Diane consumed the equivalent of

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<v Speaker 1>ten drinks that day and smoked within an hour of

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the crash. After the details of the autopsy came out,

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the backlash was swift and fierce. People were furious with

0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Diane Schuler. The New York Post reported rumors that Diane

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 1>was a drinker and her marriage was on the rocks.

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.720
<v Speaker 1>They claimed the campground where Danny and Diane took the

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 1>kids was a known party spot. Hateful messages from people

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 1>all over the country filled Danny's social media feed. The

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Bustardi family thought Diane was a murderer and suspected that

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Danny knew she was drinking. They wondered if the Hanses

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.679
<v Speaker 1>could have known as well, if that was why they

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:03.159
<v Speaker 1>drove to get Diane rather than immediately calling nine one one.

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Danny was an ordinary guy, and suddenly he was thrust

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 1>into the spotlight. He needed someone to help him handle

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the national media machine. Enter Dominic, Barbara Dominic, Barbara was

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a Long Island lawyer famous for defending high profile clients.

0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.400
<v Speaker 1>At least at the time, that's what he was known for.

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 1>These days, he's remembered for his multiple arrests for extortion

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and assault. Of everyone in this story, he's the only

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 1>one who strikes me as a true villain. Up until

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>he got involved, there was some tension between the Hanses

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and Danny Schuler, but things got so much worse after

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Dominick entered the picture. As Jackie hans put it, quote,

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 1>that's when the small rift between our families became a chasm.

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 1>On August sixth, Dominic called a press conference where a

0:24:55.920 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>deeply grieving Danny spoke about his late wife. He described

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Diane as a perfect wife and mother, an innately responsible person,

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and the love of his life. When he talked about Diane,

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Danny's expression softened, and it was easy to believe that

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>he meant everything he said. But it definitely wasn't what

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the grieving families wanted to hear, And what they found

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 1>especially infuriating was what he said at the end of

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the press conference. He said, listen to this. My heart

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>is clear. She didn't drink. She's not an alcoholic did

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>you get that I go to bed every night knowing

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<v Speaker 1>my heart is clear. That sentence, more than any other,

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>enraged the Hands and Bustardi families, and it stoked the

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.919
<v Speaker 1>media's fascination with the case. Over the next few weeks,

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Dominic Barbara lined up a series of media appearances for

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Danny and his sister in law, Jay Jay was married

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to Danny's brother, but she was always close with Danny

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and Diane, Aaron's godmother, and after the crash, she took

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:07.879
<v Speaker 1>up the cause of being Diane's defender. Every interview only

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>seemed to make things worse for Danny's reputation and inflame

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the animosity between the families. The Bustardes in particular, were

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>frustrated by the pace of the investigation into Danny's possible

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of Diane's drinking. Once they learned that there would

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>be no grand jury hearing, the family decided to file

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>a civil suit against Diane's estate and Warren Hands. The

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>case against Warren Hants might seem uncalled for, but apparently

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the Bustardes needed to include them in the case because

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the mini van had belonged to Warren. Before the case

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 1>could go to court, Danny filed his own suit against

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 1>the State of New York and against Warren Hants. Danny

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 1>was more certain than ever that his wife had knowingly

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>drunk ten shots of vodka and then gotten into a

0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>van with five children. Now claimed that the highway's poor

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>construction and lack of signage contributed to the accident, and

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>that the mini van Warren loaned Diane was in a

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>state of disrepair, making Warren quote vicariously liable. To me,

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>this lawsuit feels like the last grasp of a desperate man.

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>He was suing the state for building bad roads and

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Warren for loaning them a faulty car. Danny was also

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to get another medical examiner to exhume Diane's body,

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to retest the results from the toxicology report.

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 1>From what I can tell, there was nothing wrong with

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 1>the car, and the road had plenty of signs. Danny

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>did eventually get the toxicology results retested, and they came

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 1>back the same, But it didn't matter. All that mattered

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>was that Danny was doing anything and everything he could

0:27:50.720 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to avoid facing the truth. There are plenty of theories

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>about why what happened happened, one of the most popular

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>theories will call the tooth absess theory. Dominic Barbara said

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that about a year before the accident, Diane was having

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>severe tooth pain. She went to a dentist and was

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 1>scheduled for a root canal, but left the dentist's office

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>before the procedure could be completed. Diane didn't like accepting

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>help or admitting that she was in pain. She was

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the kind of person who believed in toughing it out.

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>If she was still in pain after that visit to

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the dentist, she didn't tell anyone, but that didn't mean

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>nobody noticed. In the weeks leading up to the accident,

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>friends and family members noticed Diane rubbing or holding her

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>lower jaw. If Diane did have an absessed tooth, and

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>if that infection spread to her brain, which I know terrifying,

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>it could have caused confusion and difficulty seeing. Maybe Diane,

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>in a state of delirium, grabbed the bottle of vodka

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>thinking it was water, or maybe she tried to use

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it to numb the pain from the abscess. After all,

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>she did stop for pain relief at the Sunoco. I

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>don't understand this mentality at all. But some people believe

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>that being on no medication is a moral statement. I

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>again don't personally understand that at all, especially because if

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you're around these people then you have to hear about

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>their discomfort. This martyrdom is for the final record, completely unnecessary,

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>because you are suffering for nothing. According to her friends

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and family, Diane was definitely one of those people who

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>avoid medicine, and if she was trying to buy a

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>pain relief, then something was very wrong. This brings up

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>another of the theories about the crash, the idea that

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Diane may have suffered some kind of stroke or aneurysm.

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Most types of strokes would have been detected in the autopsy,

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>but there is one kind that doesn't cause permanent damage.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Dominic Barbara suggested that Diane could have suffered a transient

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>ischemic attack, a condition caused by a blockage of blood

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>flow to the brain. This kind of attack usually only

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>lasts for one or two minutes, but in very rare

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>cases it can last up to twenty four hours. It

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>can also cause confusion and disorientation. As with the tooth

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>absess theory, this attack could have caused Diane to drink

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the vodka by mistake. These theories are both possible, but

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>they're not exactly plausible. They don't explain the marijuana in

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Diane's system or the reason that the vodka bottle was

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>in the car in the first place. But there's one

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>explanation that stands out above all the others because it

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>does account for those things. That's the theory that Diane

0:30:56.000 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>struggled with a substance abuse problem. In this theory, Diane

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't drink ten shots of vodka during that last hour

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>of the day. She'd been drinking since she stopped at

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the McDonald's at ten am. She drank vodka because it

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>was easy to hide. And Diane always hid her problems.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>She hid tooth pain and emotional pain. And if she

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>did have a drinking problem, I'm guessing she would have

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>hidden that too. If you subscribe to the theory of Ockham's

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>razor the idea that the simplest solution is the most

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>accurate solution, then yeah, she had a substance abuse problem.

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>And let's be honest here. As fun as it might be,

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>life is not an Agatha Christie novel. No Owl knocked

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>her down the staircase, and OJ did it in this

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>version of events, Diane drank throughout the day, but if

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>she did, no one agreed to it in court. In

0:31:55.560 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, all of the Taconic State lawsuits were settled privately,

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>they talk about the case died down, and the families

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>who had been impacted by the crash went back to

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>their separate lives. When we hear this story, we want

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to think that there's some crazy explanation for Diane's behavior.

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>It's always hard to see someone in a caregiving role

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<v Speaker 1>as a killer, even if it is anavertent. We prefer

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<v Speaker 1>a story that portrays her as a victim rather than

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<v Speaker 1>the very complicated, damaged person she really was. But the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is there's no version of this story where Diane

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<v Speaker 1>isn't complicated. Thank you to Jackie Hans for her book

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<v Speaker 1>I'll See You Again. That book, along with the film

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<v Speaker 1>There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane, was a great help

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<v Speaker 1>in writing this episode. Other sources include The Taconic Tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>A Son Search for Truth by Genie Bustardi, and several

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<v Speaker 1>news articles. All of these sources are linked in our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. If you want to learn more, join me

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<v Speaker 1>next week on the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever. Told

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<v Speaker 1>for the bizarre story of Rebecca Vance. Vance was a

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<v Speaker 1>woman whose beliefs took her deep into the conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole. That rabbit hole led her, her sister, and

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<v Speaker 1>her teenage son into the Colorado wilderness and left them

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<v Speaker 1>there to die. And the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever

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<v Speaker 1>Told is a production of Diversion Audio. Your host is

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<v Speaker 1>me Mary Kay mcbraer and this episode was written by

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<v Speaker 1>Zoe Luisa Lewis. Our show is produced by Emma Dumouth

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<v Speaker 1>and edited by Antonio Enriquez. Our theme music is by

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Cash. Executive produced by Scott Waxman.