Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is a special Debate Verdict with Ted Cruz and
Speaker 2: Ben ferguson podcast. We get to do these on big
Speaker 2: nights jointly like this. Depending on where you're listening to
Speaker 2: us right now, you get us both. Senator, your initial reaction,
Speaker 2: you watched the debate. I watched the debate. What were
Speaker 2: your big takeaways?
Speaker 3: Well, tonight was a big and consequential debate, but I
Speaker 3: have to say it before we get into it, and
Speaker 3: then this entire podcast we're going to analyze the debate
Speaker 3: in depth and say what it showed about about where
Speaker 3: the race is, where President Trump is, where Kamala Harris is.
Speaker 3: But I do want to point out it is exactly
Speaker 3: midnight as you and I are recording, which means that
Speaker 3: it has just become September eleventh, and for our listeners
Speaker 3: who are downloading this, you'll be downloading this today during
Speaker 3: September eleventh. And so I just want to start by
Speaker 3: acknowledging that twenty three years ago, the worst terrorist attack
Speaker 3: in our nation's history happened, and you and I both
Speaker 3: lived through nine to eleven. We had friends who lost
Speaker 3: their lives in nine to eleven. We saw the agony
Speaker 3: and We have talked on this podcast many times about
Speaker 3: my view that today we have a greater risk of
Speaker 3: a major terrorist attack than we have had any time
Speaker 3: since September eleventh, two thousand and one, because of the
Speaker 3: disastrous policies of the last four years. And so I
Speaker 3: want to acknowledge that at the front end, and then
Speaker 3: we're going to walk through right now what the biggest
Speaker 3: takeaways are from the debate tonight Center.
Speaker 2: This was a obviously important debate for Kamala Harris. It
Speaker 2: was really a rollout in a sense where she could
Speaker 2: be challenged. What we quickly saw though, was a three
Speaker 2: on one debate against Donald Trump and ABC News.
Speaker 1: What an end kind donation they gave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ABC moderators did not do a good job
Speaker 3: that They clearly were biased towards Kamala Harris. We saw
Speaker 3: that from their live quote fact checking, where repeatedly they'd
Speaker 3: follow up what Trump said by contradicting him, by disputing him.
Speaker 3: Many instances, their fact checks were wrong and they never
Speaker 3: never could be bothered a fact check a word that
Speaker 3: came out of Kamala Harris's mouth. It was very one
Speaker 3: sided on that front. But look, ABC News was the
Speaker 3: least consequential part of tonight. What tonight illustrated is that
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is utterly incapable of defending her own record.
Speaker 3: And what we saw tonight, this was her stump speech,
Speaker 3: and this was her DNC convention speech, cut into sound
Speaker 3: bites and repeated. She memorized a series of vignettes, a
Speaker 3: series of little segments, and just repeated those talking points
Speaker 3: ad nauseum. And it really became clear with the very
Speaker 3: first question of the night, and the first question of
Speaker 3: the night that David Muir asked her, is the question
Speaker 3: that you and I and Monday's podcast said is the
Speaker 3: single most important question of the debate and really of
Speaker 3: every election, which is are you better off than you
Speaker 3: were four years ago? And to Mere's credit, he started
Speaker 3: with that question, are people off today than they were
Speaker 3: four years ago? Under Trump? Now? Interestingly enough, Kamala refused
Speaker 3: to answer it at all. She didn't say yes, she
Speaker 3: didn't say people's lives are better, she said nothing at all. Instead,
Speaker 3: she had a little memorized set peace about how I
Speaker 3: was raised in a middle class family. I was raised
Speaker 3: with a mom who loved me and struggled. And she
Speaker 3: just talked about her bio and gave just just empty
Speaker 3: platitudes that continued for the entire night. And so look,
Speaker 3: we saw this evening. Why it is that Kamala's campaign
Speaker 3: team keeps her hidden in Joe Biden's base. Why they
Speaker 3: just bring her out, have a read from a teleprompter,
Speaker 3: and then they tackle her and throw back in the basement.
Speaker 3: Because all right, let's take the very simple question. She
Speaker 3: didn't say, yes, you're better off than you were four
Speaker 3: years ago. Why, well, you really can't, Like it's impossible
Speaker 3: to defend on every front. Inflation. All let's just take
Speaker 3: inflation in the economy. Her policies and Joe Biden's policies
Speaker 3: have been disastrous America. The working people of America have
Speaker 3: seen the price of just about everything go up, from
Speaker 3: food to electricity, to rent, to lumber, to healthcare, to gasoline,
Speaker 3: to mortgages, everything go up. And critically, this is where
Speaker 3: her record matters. Kamala Harris was the tie breaking vote
Speaker 3: multiple times on the floor of the Senate on trillions
Speaker 3: of dollars of the out of control spending from this
Speaker 3: administration that has caused this inflation. She was literally without
Speaker 3: her vote, the trillions of dollars that we borrowed, and
Speaker 3: the trillions of dollars that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: ran the printing presses on that drove this inflation that
Speaker 3: doesn't happen, and she can't defend that. She doesn't have
Speaker 3: a good answer. When it comes to energy and gas prices.
Speaker 3: People are hurting because of gas price as well. It
Speaker 3: is her policies and Joe Biden's policies that has waged
Speaker 3: war systematically on oil and gas production and American energy,
Speaker 3: and she can't defend that either, and so instead she
Speaker 3: simply says, well, we're going to lower energy prices, We're
Speaker 3: going to lower gas prices, and with no acknowledgment that
Speaker 3: Wait a second, she is, in fact the sitting vice president,
Speaker 3: and who knows where the heck the actual president is
Speaker 3: besides passed out asleep on a beach.
Speaker 2: When you see, I think the strategy, and now it
Speaker 2: actually I think makes more sense, right, like just hider,
Speaker 2: buy ads, get the media to cover for you and
Speaker 2: protect you at all costs. And maybe that is a
Speaker 2: winning strategy, which comes to the obviously, the next big question,
Speaker 2: should there be another debate?
Speaker 1: Do you believe there will be? In the other debate.
Speaker 2: They were obviously in the Harris camp implying that there
Speaker 2: was a big victory tonight, saying that was fun, let's
Speaker 2: do it again, and threw out another date. Uh, signaling
Speaker 2: from her campaign they want to tee it up again
Speaker 2: and go toe to toe with Donald Trump again.
Speaker 1: Is that the right move for her?
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I think Trump should absolutely accept that offer
Speaker 3: for another debate. He should jump on it and say
Speaker 3: let's go. I think the debate is a valuable opportunity
Speaker 3: to calmly litigate her actual record. And and let me
Speaker 3: say this though, even if Trump does does follow that
Speaker 3: advice and does accept the debate, I think there's very
Speaker 3: little chance it happens. I think Kamala's team will back
Speaker 3: out on it. I think they're mostly just puffing out
Speaker 3: their chest and boasting right now with the offer of
Speaker 3: another debate, I think there is no world in which
Speaker 3: they let her do a second debate. I think it's
Speaker 3: back to the basement. And if I were to predict,
Speaker 3: we're not going to see Kamala emerge from the basement
Speaker 3: until election day. It's like the groundhog until she sees
Speaker 3: her shadow on election day. She doesn't get to come
Speaker 3: out of the basement, other than to show up at
Speaker 3: a rally here and there and read from the teleprompter
Speaker 3: the same speech. But they want to keep her absolutely
Speaker 3: controlled and repeating. And listen, I will say, the Democrat
Speaker 3: Party has very good message masters. They have very good
Speaker 3: This is the party of Hollywood. This is the party
Speaker 3: of storytellers. Her memorized set pieces, some of them are
Speaker 3: pretty effective. They're disconnected from reality. They don't acknowledge any
Speaker 3: facts on earth. But if you just listen to them,
Speaker 3: they are calmly reassuring, they sound nice. And it's why. Look,
Speaker 3: this is the same reaction I had with her convention speech.
Speaker 3: It's dangerous as hell, because if you're not paying close attention,
Speaker 3: what she says sounds nice unless she is forced to
Speaker 3: confront her actual own record. And in the entire debate,
Speaker 3: the ABC moderators never once pointed out that her record
Speaker 3: is exactly the opposite of what she said on the
Speaker 3: debate stage over and over again.
Speaker 2: So when I watched the debate, the question I always
Speaker 2: ask myself is okay, if I was going in a
Speaker 2: night voting for Donald Trump, was I convinced by Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris that I should switch my vote, The answer honestly
Speaker 2: is no. And if I'm a Kamala Harris voter and
Speaker 2: was going into the night watching Kamala Harris saying I'm
Speaker 2: going to vote for her. Am I going to switch
Speaker 2: my vote to Donald Trump tonight? Honestly? Probably not. Does
Speaker 2: that mean that this is a draw in essence, where Hey,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's team they walk out of this going Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe we could have done a little better on this
Speaker 2: that or the other. Maybe we'll work on that for
Speaker 2: the next subbate, but we didn't do any harm and
Speaker 2: we got out are some good points. Kama's team probably says, hey,
Speaker 2: we survived the night we had you in hiding in
Speaker 2: the basement. Is this one of those debates that we
Speaker 2: both said was one of the most important ever?
Speaker 1: But could in theory be a draw?
Speaker 2: Because really, you're if the if the barometer is I'm
Speaker 2: trying to change hearts and minds.
Speaker 1: Did anyone's mind change tonight?
Speaker 3: Well, Kamala's team and all of our cheerleaders in the
Speaker 3: corporate media are going to relentlessly hype that she won,
Speaker 3: that she won, that she won. And by the way,
Speaker 3: they were going to say that whatever happened she could
Speaker 3: literally fall to the ground and start screaming and wailing
Speaker 3: and kicking her feet in the air, and they would
Speaker 3: say she won, So that that was going to be
Speaker 3: the narrative regardless. I will say, what we learned is
Speaker 3: she doesn't have a good answer to her own record.
Speaker 3: The Trump campaign needs to continue to prosecute the case.
Speaker 3: So let's take, for example, there was a hole back
Speaker 3: and forth on abortion, and Trump said accurately that she
Speaker 3: supports late term abortions into the eighth and ninth months
Speaker 3: of pregnancy, and she just said, over and over again, no,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't that's false, that's false, and
Speaker 3: the moderators sat there like potted plants. Well, it so
Speaker 3: happens that Kamala actually has a record, and in particular,
Speaker 3: she has voted for legislation on the floor of the
Speaker 3: Senate to strike down every single restriction on abortion in
Speaker 3: the country and to legalize abortion in the eighth and
Speaker 3: ninth months up to the moment of birth. That is
Speaker 3: her actual voting record, what she has voted for. There
Speaker 3: was another exchange where Trump points out that the governor
Speaker 3: of Virginia, the former governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam had
Speaker 3: advocated for post birth abortion, and she flat out lied
Speaker 3: and said no, no, he didn't know, he didn't and
Speaker 3: play that.
Speaker 2: Because we have that clip. And this is why I
Speaker 2: love doing the show, is we get to play it.
Speaker 2: This is Northam on the radio on WTP saying what
Speaker 2: she said, and the media said, never happened.
Speaker 4: If a mother is in labor, I can tell you
Speaker 4: exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the
Speaker 4: infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated
Speaker 4: if that's what the mother and the family desired, and
Speaker 4: then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mothers.
Speaker 1: I mean, where's the fact check for ABC News on that? Senator?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and understand Ralph Northam, he was a Democrat governor
Speaker 3: of Virginia. He was also someone whose medical school yearbook
Speaker 3: featured a picture of a Klansman. That's another part of
Speaker 3: Ralph Northm's background. But he was also an obgyn, so
Speaker 3: he was actually talking about as a doctor who presumably
Speaker 3: has done that. He was describing the approach, and that
Speaker 3: is delivering a baby. The baby is alive, is breathing,
Speaker 3: is outside the mother's womb and he's talking about just
Speaker 3: letting the baby die. And again, this is where records matter.
Speaker 3: Kamala has a record on this. So when she says
Speaker 3: that's ridiculous, that's no, no, no, no, no, that's not true. Well,
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act,
Speaker 3: and that was a bill that we voted on the
Speaker 3: floor of the Senate that said if during the course
Speaker 3: of an attempted abortion, the child is delivered, the child
Speaker 3: is born, and this happens, and the child is alive
Speaker 3: and breathing and outside the womb, that the doctor cannot
Speaker 3: just let the baby die. And she voted no. Now,
Speaker 3: as you noted, ABC did in fact check her on that,
Speaker 3: her voting record is very clear, and this was a
Speaker 3: pattern over and over and over again on energy. So
Speaker 3: her big trick now on energy is she's run away
Speaker 3: from her long held position opposing fracking. Okay, fine, so
Speaker 3: she's like, yeah, I just flip flopped on that. What
Speaker 3: ABC didn't point out is, well, wait a second, your
Speaker 3: repeated statements about banning fracking, that's not the only thing
Speaker 3: you've done on energy. First week in office. You and
Speaker 3: Joe Biden shut down the Keystone pipeline. Joe Biden, when
Speaker 3: he was campaigning for president, promised to shut down drilling
Speaker 3: on shore, on federal lands and offshore. You put in
Speaker 3: over ninety different regulations and executive orders attacking oil and
Speaker 3: gas production in the United States that has had a
Speaker 3: very direct effect driving up cost. Your administration banned new
Speaker 3: permits exporting liquid natural gas. Like her record on energy
Speaker 3: is terrible, and she has no answer to that. And
Speaker 3: by the way, Trump did a good job on this
Speaker 3: point of saying, listen, you banned the Keystone pipeline and
Speaker 3: gave a giant gift of Vladimir Putin by allowing him
Speaker 3: to complete the Nordstream two pipeline, which caused the war
Speaker 3: in Ukraine. And that's something you and I have talked
Speaker 3: about in this podcast a lot. It was my legislation
Speaker 3: in the Senate that sanctioned Nordstream two and shut it down.
Speaker 3: Trump signed my legislation and Putin literally stopped building the
Speaker 3: nord Stream two pipeline the day that Trump signed sanctions
Speaker 3: legislation in the law. Northstream two was a dead hunk
Speaker 3: of metal at the bottom of the ocean until Joe
Speaker 3: Biden and Kamala Harris came into office and they demonstrated
Speaker 3: weakness and and they waived the sanctions on nord Stream
Speaker 3: two and it was a multi billion dollar gift to
Speaker 3: to Russia and it caused the war in Ukraine. None
Speaker 3: of that does she have an answer for.
Speaker 2: We just got in the official number. ABC News fact
Speaker 2: check Donald Trump seven times, not one time the debate.
Speaker 2: Did they fact check Kamala Harris?
Speaker 1: Not once?
Speaker 2: So that's the official caw tally now is seven times
Speaker 2: on Trump. That's three on one, and I do think
Speaker 2: that's going to have a turnoff. I would hope to
Speaker 2: some of those voters, maybe in the middle, the undecideds,
Speaker 2: which very much can be the deciding factor in this election.
Speaker 2: Will that play with undecideds? Do you think did they
Speaker 2: see the bi that you and I saw?
Speaker 3: They saw that some, but I think they also go
Speaker 3: in expecting the media to be biased. So I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone is surprised that ABC is a left wing
Speaker 3: mouthpiece for the Democrats. That's been the case sadly for
Speaker 3: a long time for ABCNBCCBSC and AN, MSNBC, all of
Speaker 3: them have been mouthpieces for the Democrats. So yes, they
Speaker 3: saw it, but again they're not surprised. Look, the critical
Speaker 3: thing that we saw tonight is is she doesn't have
Speaker 3: a good answer on the chaos at our southern border.
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris was the borders are. She is directly responsible
Speaker 3: for the worst level of illegal immigration in our nation's history.
Speaker 3: She is directly responsible for the people who have died.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and fifty three migrants died last year crossing
Speaker 3: illegalian in this country. She is responsible for the people,
Speaker 3: the women who have been brutally raped. She's responsible for
Speaker 3: the children who have been brutalize. She's responsible for the
Speaker 3: little boys and little girls who've been horribly assaulted by
Speaker 3: human traffickers. She's responsible for the one hundred and ten
Speaker 3: thousand Americans who died last year of drug overdoses. She
Speaker 3: is responsible for the murderers that she and Joe Biden
Speaker 3: had in their custody, Murderers like the illegal alien murder
Speaker 3: of Lake and Riley that she and Joe Biden had
Speaker 3: in custody, and they released murderers like the illegal alien
Speaker 3: murderer of Rachel Morin that illegal alien was in her custody.
Speaker 3: She released them. Murderers like the illegal alien murderers of
Speaker 3: Joscelyn Hungary. Both of them were in her custody and
Speaker 3: she and Joe Biden released them, and so that record.
Speaker 3: She was not forced tonight to answer for any of
Speaker 3: that record and that, but it demonstrated that she does
Speaker 3: not have a good response. And and that's what I
Speaker 3: think the next two months the Trump campaign has to
Speaker 3: prosecute systematically based on the facts. Here is her record,
Speaker 3: Here is what she has done, and it hasn't worked.
Speaker 3: It has failed, and the American people are worse off
Speaker 3: as a result of the failures of her extreme policy.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Donald Trump's got to bring up some more
Speaker 2: of this stuff, and I think you and I've talked
Speaker 2: about this, but let's just remind people since kamaiers took
Speaker 2: off as total prices are up over twenty percent, car
Speaker 2: insurance up fifty four percent, hotels are up say when
Speaker 2: you rent a hotel fifty one point two percent, Gases
Speaker 2: up fifty point fifty percent, fuel oil is up forty
Speaker 2: nine point one, transportation up thirty two point nine, Electricity
Speaker 2: is up thirty one point seven percent.
Speaker 1: Baby food's up over thirty fifty.
Speaker 2: Percent, eating out of up twenty five percent, Airfare up
Speaker 2: twenty three percent, rent up twenty two percent, and groceries
Speaker 2: are up about twenty two percent as well. That's what
Speaker 2: they've got to focus on, every single one of a Sarah,
Speaker 2: It's not all this other and the weed stuff. They
Speaker 2: I really do believe they've got to keep it simple
Speaker 2: for the American voter, especially if you're trying to go
Speaker 2: after undecided.
Speaker 3: Sure. And and that's what we talked about in Monday's pod,
Speaker 3: that that the focus needs to be on harms, harms, harms.
Speaker 3: How are people's lives worth aught worse off because of
Speaker 3: the horrible policies that Kamala Harris is directly responsible for.
Speaker 3: And and that's true. On inflation, she was literally the
Speaker 3: tie breaking vote behind the trillions of spending that that
Speaker 3: unleash this inflation. It's true. On energy, she and Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: It has been their executive orders and their regulations that
Speaker 3: have driven up energy prices. And and and it's true
Speaker 3: on the border, and and and let me play there
Speaker 3: that there was one of the best exchanges with something
Speaker 3: Trump said on the border where he made the point
Speaker 3: that that that that listen, she could secure the border today,
Speaker 3: and and and and and listen, listen to this what
Speaker 3: what what he said to her?
Speaker 5: Right now, I would say we would both leave this
Speaker 5: debate right now. I'd like to see her go down
Speaker 5: to Washington, D C. During this debate because we're wasting
Speaker 5: a lot of time. Go down to because she's been
Speaker 5: so bad, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Go down to Washington, D C.
Speaker 5: And let her sign a bill to close up the border,
Speaker 5: because they have the right to do it. They don't
Speaker 5: need bills, they have the right to do it. The
Speaker 5: president of the United States. You'll get them out of bed,
Speaker 5: You'll wake them up at four o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 5: You'll say, come on, come on down to the office,
Speaker 5: let's sign a bill.
Speaker 1: It was a great moment in the debate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, that point is very powerful. And understand this
Speaker 3: invasion at our southern border. It is happening right now today.
Speaker 3: There are hundreds, if not thousands of illegal immigrants crossing
Speaker 3: the border right now today today, Joe Biden and Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris are apprehending hundreds, if not thousands of illegal aliens
Speaker 3: and they're going to release them tomorrow. There are criminals
Speaker 3: they're going to release tomorrow sorrow. There are murderers they're
Speaker 3: going to release. Going forward, there are rapists, there are
Speaker 3: child molestors, and they keep on doing it. And the
Speaker 3: point Trump is making and listen, his campaign needs to
Speaker 3: follow this up by explaining, by really explaining. Look, when
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came into office, they inherited
Speaker 3: the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, I worked hand in hand with President Trump
Speaker 3: to secure the border, and we had incredible success. When
Speaker 3: Trump was president, the border was secure, and it was
Speaker 3: unilateral executive actions that caused this crisis. Three decisions that
Speaker 3: Biden Harris did in the very first week. Number one,
Speaker 3: they immediately halted construction of the border wall. Number two,
Speaker 3: they reinstated the disastrous policy of catch and release, and
Speaker 3: number three they pulled out of the incredibly successful Remain
Speaker 3: in Mexico agreement. All three of those they could reverse tomorrow.
Speaker 3: And so the point like, literally, go down to the
Speaker 3: White House right now and do it. That is absolutely right.
Speaker 3: It is also right that if and I pray when
Speaker 3: Trump is re elected that he will reverse all three
Speaker 3: of those decisions on January twentieth of next year, and
Speaker 3: we will see the border crisis end, and it will
Speaker 3: end quickly, and so that point was very effective. Let
Speaker 3: me say, also, Ben, I thought the foreign policy portion
Speaker 3: of the debate was particularly strong for Trump and it
Speaker 3: was very weak for Kamala Harris. At one point, she
Speaker 3: looks over at Trump and says, well, you know, everyone
Speaker 3: knows that he was weak and ineffective on foreign policy.
Speaker 3: And I got to say to me that that was
Speaker 3: a laugh line. And listen, if you look across the globe,
Speaker 3: we had peace and prosperity when Trump was president. We
Speaker 3: had no foreign wars, and in fact, we saw peace
Speaker 3: breaking out in the Middle East. We saw the Abraham
Speaker 3: Accords being signed, we saw Arabs and Israelis coming together.
Speaker 3: And I think it is absolutely the case that if
Speaker 3: Trump were still in the White House today, the war
Speaker 3: in Ukraine would not have happened, in the war in
Speaker 3: Israel would not have happened. That it was Joe Biden
Speaker 3: and Kamala Harris's weakness that caused those wars. And critically,
Speaker 3: and Trump did a good job of this too, laying
Speaker 3: out that that Listen, Kamala Harris has flowed over one
Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars to Iran. Iran provides ninety percent of
Speaker 3: the funding for hamas ninety percent of the funding for Hesbela,
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, in a very real sense paid for the
Speaker 3: death squads that carried out the atrocities on October seventh,
Speaker 3: and and and Kamala has no answer to that, And
Speaker 3: and tonight showed that powerfully. You know.
Speaker 2: I also think, and you go to the end of
Speaker 2: the debate that one of the best parts was actually
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in his closing argument. And it goes back
Speaker 2: to the campaign strategy I think he needs to have
Speaker 2: moving forward, and that is to make sure he makes
Speaker 2: this about what she has done in comparison to what
Speaker 2: she claims she wants to do while she's in charge.
Speaker 1: Like you're in charge, you're in charge, You're in charge?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: In Trump?
Speaker 5: So she just started by saying she's going to do this,
Speaker 5: She's going to do that, She's going.
Speaker 1: To do all these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it.
Speaker 5: She's been there for three and a half years. They've
Speaker 5: had three and a half years to fix the border,
Speaker 5: they've had three and a half years to create jobs
Speaker 5: and all the things we talked about.
Speaker 1: Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right now.
Speaker 5: Go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol,
Speaker 5: get everyone together, and do the things you want to do.
Speaker 5: But you haven't done it, and you won't do it
Speaker 5: because you believe in things that the American people don't
Speaker 5: believe in.
Speaker 2: It's a great line, and I wish it would have
Speaker 2: been used even more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the closing was Trump's best, best part
Speaker 3: of the entire debate, and that was exactly the right message.
Speaker 3: It's a message that the Trump campaign should amplify every
Speaker 3: day between now an election day. Listen, you and I
Speaker 3: have talked about how Kamala is trying to engage in
Speaker 3: this divorced from reality campaign where she pretends she's not
Speaker 3: in office, that she's not the incumbent, she disavows all
Speaker 3: responsibility for the mess that is happening, and in fact,
Speaker 3: she's behaving as if Donald Trump is the incumbent president
Speaker 3: and she's the change candidate. She is in office right now,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden is in office right now, and on every
Speaker 3: single level, on inflation, on crime, on illegal immigration, on
Speaker 3: foreign policy, on safety and security, the world was much
Speaker 3: much better when Trump was president than it is today,
Speaker 3: and that needs to be emphasized every day between now
Speaker 3: an election Day.
Speaker 1: Center her final question.
Speaker 2: I think for you and really for me when I
Speaker 2: was watching this tonight and it say, okay, where do
Speaker 2: we go from here? I'm in favor of another debate.
Speaker 2: I think you cover that earlier, right, you agree Trump
Speaker 2: should do another one Number one.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I don't think she will. I think you will.
Speaker 1: So your prediction is she's done yep. Number two.
Speaker 2: If you're Donald Trump, what do you learn for tonight
Speaker 2: and what do you take into your big campaign rallies
Speaker 2: from this? And what is your messaging to your surrogatece
Speaker 2: tomorrow on the surrogate call.
Speaker 3: I think the message is she cannot defend her record,
Speaker 3: and her record is a failure. The American people are
Speaker 3: worse off. But listen, I think it's important to remember also,
Speaker 3: this is not about Donald Trump, and it's not about
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. It is about the American people. It is
Speaker 3: about It is about young, young couples who are going
Speaker 3: out and buying their first home and they're discovering that
Speaker 3: a seven and a half percent mortgage rate is much
Speaker 3: much worse than a two and a half percent mortgage
Speaker 3: rate that you get about half the house. That's happening
Speaker 3: right now nowaday people are hurting. It's about a single
Speaker 3: mom who's trying to make ends meet and she can't
Speaker 3: afford to buy groceries anymore because the prices have gone
Speaker 3: so high, and when she tries to fill up her
Speaker 3: tank to go to work, it just about breaks her.
Speaker 3: It's about the people who are suffering. Look today, on
Speaker 3: September tenth, there was a ceremony in the Capitol where
Speaker 3: the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to the thirteen servicemen
Speaker 3: and women who were murdered in Afghanistan from the absolutely
Speaker 3: disastrous and incompetent withdrawal from Abbigate. And I'll tell you,
Speaker 3: the families were there, and it was a beautiful ceremony,
Speaker 3: and the families. I spoke to many of the families.
Speaker 3: I thanked every one of them that I could to
Speaker 3: say thank you for your service and sacrifice. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: But I also to many of them. Had a follow
Speaker 3: up conversation where I said, there needs to be accountability.
Speaker 3: There has been zero accountability. That the focus for the
Speaker 3: campaign every day from now to election day needs to
Speaker 3: be the difference between Trump's record and Kamala's record and
Speaker 3: critically bringing it home to the voters, how their lives
Speaker 3: were much better when Trump was president than they have
Speaker 3: been under Kamala, and that her policies are failures and
Speaker 3: they're hurting the American people. That's got to be the
Speaker 3: central message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you mentioned a second ago, on this anniversary
Speaker 2: of nine to eleven, I think it's important that we
Speaker 2: also take a step back, remember how important it is
Speaker 2: that you have competent leaders that understand how important it
Speaker 2: is to protect and defend the home, lan, to protect
Speaker 2: and defend freedom. And also just a moment to say
Speaker 2: thank you to all of those that serve this country,
Speaker 2: to all of those that wear the uniform, to all
Speaker 2: those that have given the ultimate sacrifices and their families.
Speaker 2: There were so many people that died on nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: but there was also the second part, and that was
Speaker 2: so many that died because they wanted to protect and
Speaker 2: defend us after nine to eleven that gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Speaker 2: And I said to everybody listening, say thank you to
Speaker 2: a veteran. Text them. Everybody knows a veteran, tell them
Speaker 2: thank you. I had the privilege of playing golf today
Speaker 2: with some of those that actually took out some of
Speaker 2: the worst terrorists in the world, some special operators, and
Speaker 2: they were amazing guys, and I say to them, thank you,
Speaker 2: because without you giving up years of your life and
Speaker 2: risking your life and losing your brothers in uniform, we
Speaker 2: wouldn't have the freedoms we have today.
Speaker 1: And that's what we need to remember. I think during
Speaker 1: this election season as well.
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Speaker 1: It's always fun.
Speaker 2: We get to do a joint podcast the Senator and
Speaker 2: I will see you back here in a couple of days,
Speaker 2: and I'll see you back here tomorrow on the Ben
Speaker 2: Ferguson podcasts as well. And again, God bless America and
Speaker 2: thanks to all of our veterans that are listening to you.
Speaker 1: Guys are the heroes.