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Speaker 2: What do we have, Christal, indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We are making a little bit of breaking points history

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Speaker 4: I was saying to these guys, we did have a

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Speaker 2: Where you getting news from?

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Speaker 5: Okay, James, I work in it and I get my

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Speaker 10: Trump, there we go, sorry, And the reason being is

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Speaker 11: Trump definitely because he needs to put his back where

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Speaker 12: Hey maybe I can't remember the guy's name from South Dakota.

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Speaker 7: Leading to Trump because he isn't a politician. He is

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Speaker 9: Well, there's many things that I agree with them on.

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Speaker 9: If you listen to CNN, it tells you one thing,

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Speaker 1: Right, So obviously these things aren't scientific.

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Speaker 4: He is and this audience matches really what the New

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Speaker 3: Well, the important is Doug Burgham's race to lose.

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Speaker 2: which is why I don't think one person could unite.

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Speaker 2: And let's turn then to COVID, because COVID actually leaped

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Speaker 2: out to us. It became really interesting the mainstream media,

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Speaker 2: who we shared our focus group with, they actually picked

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Speaker 2: on on this immediately. Was a lot of the fears

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Speaker 2: around return of COVID restrictions and of impact on the election,

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Speaker 2: mail and balloting and all that. Let's take a listen

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Speaker 2: to that and we're going to talk about it afterwards.

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Speaker 4: Like candidates have said it, I've said, can can Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump beat Jay Biden?

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Speaker 10: Problem is the fair election? So here you go again,

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Speaker 10: we're starting the cranking up with the COVID supposedly with

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Speaker 10: the masking, and you know it's going to it's the

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Speaker 10: same play that it did four years ago. They're going

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Speaker 10: to play the mail in ballots and the chieting's going

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Speaker 10: to take place, and you know it's just it's gonna

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Speaker 10: be the same scenario again.

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Speaker 9: I work in the schools and a couple of the

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Speaker 9: teachers were like, you know, already Gove's coming in the masks.

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Speaker 9: Some of the schools are already going online, some of

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Speaker 9: the things are getting some of the colleges are getting

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Speaker 9: shut down, like it's it's like a deja vu. And

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Speaker 9: then you think about it, Okay, so then the mail

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Speaker 9: in ballot's got to come, Like do I think he

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Speaker 9: can beat them?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? If it's fair.

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Speaker 4: So you think that that that COVID stuff, you think

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Speaker 4: is linked to the elections and who's who's doing that,

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Speaker 4: Who's orchestrating that?

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Speaker 10: The Democratic Party? It was It was an articles written

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Speaker 10: by I figure what the news magazine was, but as

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Speaker 10: a as a little news magazine, and they came out

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Speaker 10: and basically said it was planned to have the election

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Speaker 10: go the way it was and a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 10: went along with that plan because they wanted to keep

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Speaker 10: the swamp. They want to keep the dirty politics. And

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Speaker 10: some of the Republicans are involved with that, and it

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Speaker 10: was a planned event and they use COVID as a

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Speaker 10: way to push it in.

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Speaker 8: With the pandemic. We see it coming again, and there's

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Speaker 8: a lot of writing on the wall. I think there's

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Speaker 8: a lot of money exchange. There's big farmers behind it all.

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Speaker 8: As far as can Trump beat Biden, I think I

482
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Speaker 8: could probably beat Biden at this point. The guy's stumbling around,

483
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Speaker 8: forgets where he is, can't remember his words, doesn't know what

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Speaker 8: he's talking about, And so I wonder, like, really, who's

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Speaker 8: who's running. We put the name Biden on it, but

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Speaker 8: who's really hold those puppet strings and can jump win

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Speaker 8: over those?

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Speaker 4: Put your hands up if you think the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: election was rigged. I'm repeating what you guys have some

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Speaker 4: of you guys have said back to me. Here this

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Speaker 4: idea that COVID is coming back up again. Put your

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Speaker 4: hands up if you think that's a deliberate plan to

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Speaker 4: try and basically stitch the next election up for the Democrats.

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Speaker 11: It's all about fear and that's what it is. It's

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Speaker 11: all above fear. Scare everybody, stay indoors, wear your masked.

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Speaker 11: COVID is coming back. I'm here to help.

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Speaker 2: It's fear, it's.

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Speaker 8: Control to divide people.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you think that's the case, you know, I

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Speaker 4: ask the question again. You know, for at least four

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Speaker 4: of you nodding there. You know, I don't know about

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Speaker 4: the exact semantics, but you're repeating, aback what you said

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Speaker 4: to me. You put your hands up if you do

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Speaker 4: think that there's at least some connection between COVID coming

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Speaker 4: back and the next election being rigged for the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: So clearly it's not only about return of COVID restrictions.

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Speaker 2: I've seen this too in terms of people, you know,

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Speaker 2: like talking about stories of this one college bringing back

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Speaker 2: mass mandates, so like, oh, that's going to justify you

510
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Speaker 2: know this, I know Alex Jones and others who have

511
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Speaker 2: been talking about it. So clearly that is going through,

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Speaker 2: you know, to a lot of the voters. But then

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Speaker 2: you also saw the divide in terms of somebody like James,

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Speaker 2: the person in our focus group who didn't raise his

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Speaker 2: hand whenever he said the election was stolen. He was

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Speaker 2: the only one who departed in the previous clip. He's like,

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Speaker 2: why would that be good for President Biden? But I mean,

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Speaker 2: the divide there seemed one of the starter ones and

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Speaker 2: one of the things that really jumped out that we

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Speaker 2: didn't expect to see.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and it's correlating with some sort of pro Trump

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Speaker 4: on the one hand, concerns about twenty twenty election and

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Speaker 4: these you know, couple of people in the group who

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Speaker 4: were resistant to those kind of things, but that was

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Speaker 4: the majority of you in that group that COVID is

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Speaker 4: linked to the next election basically going the same way

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Speaker 4: in their eyes as the previous one, which they view

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Speaker 4: as being rigged for Joe Biden. Now this says to

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Speaker 4: me that, you know, if we fast forward to an

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Speaker 4: election where Trump and Biden of the candidates, which obviously

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Speaker 4: is not guaranteed, but let's assume that is the case,

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Speaker 4: and we get a bides and winning that election, that

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Speaker 4: is going to cause a lot of rancor and a big,

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Speaker 4: big pool of distrust amongst these voters.

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Speaker 3: They're already been set up for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I've seen these I've just noticed this

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Speaker 1: in the past few weeks.

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Speaker 3: There are a couple of little stories.

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Speaker 1: There's like an elementary school near here that did masks

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Speaker 1: for ten days or something. And these stories have been

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Speaker 1: blowing up huge in right wing media, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's partly what those media outlets are choosing to coverage cover,

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Speaker 1: and it's also partly what these voters are primed to

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Speaker 1: really believe. And so they you know, they when they

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Speaker 1: see that story, it fits into their mental pattern of, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is what happened last time, is what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen again? You know, I thought, not only in terms

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Speaker 1: of jeez, we saw what happened last time, A majority

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Speaker 1: of Republicans thought the election was RAI its catastrophe on

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Speaker 1: January sixth, and it was, you know, a genuine sort

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Speaker 1: of threat to the core of democracy here. But if

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Speaker 1: we have that happen again, obviously that's a scary scenario.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I thought about, though, is doesn't

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Speaker 1: this end up being sort of self defeating for Trump?

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Speaker 1: If your voters think it's going to be rigged anyway,

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Speaker 1: does it make it.

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Speaker 3: Harder to motivate them to the polls?

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Speaker 1: And we saw a little bit of this in the

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Speaker 1: Georgia Senate races that happened, you know, came right on

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Speaker 1: the heels of twenty twenty, and you had some influencers

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Speaker 1: and I think the President's son, Don Junior going down

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Speaker 1: to Georgia and basically saying like it was rigged.

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Speaker 3: It was stolen.

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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of analysis at the time

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Speaker 1: that this really demotivated people, because what's the point of,

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Speaker 1: you know, upending your day and doing some of the

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Speaker 1: hurdles that it takes to show up at the polls

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Speaker 1: if you don't think your vote is going to count anyway.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's sort of a double edged sword

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Speaker 1: for them that they already have this idea baked in

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Speaker 1: that the election is going to be rigged and their

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Speaker 1: votes are going to be stolen.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and particularly when you think the Republicans do skew

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Speaker 4: older and older people tend to use mail in ballots

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Speaker 4: more so that is obviously a factor as well. What

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Speaker 4: I would say is that local Republican party state parties

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Speaker 4: have been changing their message on mail in ballots over

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Speaker 4: the last year since the midterms, at least yeah, saying

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Speaker 4: you know, we actually sign up, we need to do this,

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Speaker 4: We need to play the Democrats at their own game.

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Speaker 2: We expect that to have an impact.

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Speaker 4: But what these focus groups tell us is they tell

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Speaker 4: us not just what people are thinking in terms of their.

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Speaker 2: Vote, but whether they might vote.

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Speaker 4: And this turnout question is going to be absolutely crucial

586
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Speaker 4: that's twenty twenty four election, because which song they can

587
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Speaker 4: get its people out is critical to the result. And

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Speaker 4: we're going to see that with the election integrity argument.

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Speaker 4: But we're also going to see it on abortion and

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Speaker 4: reproductive rights. Democrats will be hoping to put abortion plev

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Speaker 4: sites on the ballot in various states to try and

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Speaker 4: boost their turnout overall. So these focus groups also give

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Speaker 4: us insight into that what's driving them. Are they actually

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Speaker 4: going to turn out, what's their enthusiasm like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to turn out more of what these individuals

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Speaker 1: thought about some of the other candidates I mentioned before.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised how much the pandemic came up in

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Speaker 1: the context both of you know, the election being rigged

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Speaker 1: again and also in the context of some of the

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Speaker 1: critique of Trump. And you know, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the things that Ron Desantas had been leaning into.

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Speaker 3: I actually haven't been hearing him making.

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Speaker 1: This case as much, but this raises for me perhaps

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Speaker 1: perhaps he was on to something with that original with

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Speaker 1: that original critique and contrast that he was making with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You did something really interesting, which was you,

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Speaker 1: you know, asked them all to write down what they

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Speaker 1: thought about each of the candidates. Let's take a listen

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Speaker 1: to some of what they had to say.

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Speaker 4: If you don't know who this person is, I think

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Speaker 4: you might have been living under a rock. Donald Trump

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00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: a word or phrase to somewhat how you feel.

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Speaker 5: I don't mean it rudely, but my word is loser.

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Speaker 6: I'm confused. He's not confused. I'm confused about how I feel.

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Speaker 8: Competent, competent, but I don't necessarily trust him.

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Speaker 11: Competent and wavering, making America great again, unhinged, the.

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Speaker 5: Vag Ramaswami refreshing ideas, but not serious.

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Speaker 11: Optimistic, suspiciously fake.

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Speaker 7: I don't know enough the Trump.

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Speaker 11: He's well spoken, but I don't trust them. He took

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Speaker 11: money from sorrows and denied it, and so I don't

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Speaker 11: trust them.

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Speaker 12: He looks like a and he acts like a clear politician,

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Speaker 12: but he has no shot at being a president.

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Speaker 5: Nicky Hayley, strong and foreign policy consensus builder.

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Speaker 7: I'm afraid of completely uninformed. I don't know who she is.

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Speaker 7: Kind of naive.

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Speaker 3: I have to hear more about her, but.

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Speaker 10: She's very liberal, liberal leaning on social issues.

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Speaker 11: Rhino.

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Speaker 12: She seems confident, but I feel like she's not strong

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Speaker 12: enough to be our president.

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Speaker 5: Mike Pattins experienced, has a good temperament for the job.

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Speaker 6: More of the same.

635
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Speaker 7: Not necessarily a bad person, but not sorry anything to offer.

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Speaker 10: Sellout, confident, kind of likes to try to please everybody,

637
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Speaker 10: and that can be an issue sometimes.

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Speaker 12: Rhino ultra ultra conservative.

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Speaker 4: Next on guys, Tim Scott World or phrase Tim Scott.

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Speaker 5: I like him, but when I see him speak, it

641
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Speaker 5: just seems unremarkable, like doesn't doesn't set himself apart.

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Speaker 8: Strikes.

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Speaker 6: He's honorable.

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Speaker 7: I want to say, too new, but I don't. That's

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Speaker 7: not quite what I want to say, but I can't

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Speaker 7: think of any other words.

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Speaker 10: He's more experience, he's well spoken.

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Speaker 11: You make a great VP for Trump.

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Speaker 12: I think he's too strict on reproductive rights.

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Speaker 5: Chris Christy tells it like it is no.

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Speaker 7: Way, Yeah, Frank, I think he's a phony, outspoken, more

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Speaker 7: liberal Rhino.

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Speaker 11: If he didn't have Trump's name to mention, and he

654
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Speaker 11: won't go anywhere. Let's know, if he get Bridgegate.

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Speaker 12: Seems like he's too in dated with the Jersey shore.

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Speaker 2: Ron de Santis.

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Speaker 5: It's a strong record of getting things accomplished.

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Speaker 7: Experience, morally solid.

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Speaker 8: It's got a lot going for him.

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Speaker 3: My wood was experienced.

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Speaker 10: Can you wait for more years?

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Speaker 11: He's well spoken. I think he's hurt flowing a lot

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Speaker 11: of ways too, but he's well spoken. He's a takes

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Speaker 11: charge guy.

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Speaker 12: He certainly can talk very well. But he's done some

666
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Speaker 12: bad things for Florida that has directly heard, you know,

667
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Speaker 12: the elderly as well as some of the families down there.

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Speaker 3: There's so much to dig into there. Let's actually talk

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Speaker 3: first about.

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Speaker 1: Trump, who, of course, is you know, the elephant in

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Speaker 1: literally every room in this entire country. I feel the

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Speaker 1: critique of him was lacking in competence, but then there

673
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Speaker 1: was obviously a lot of strong sentiment in favor of

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Speaker 1: him as well.

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Speaker 4: There was and people who liked him to pick up

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Speaker 4: on the fact that, Okay, he might not always be

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Speaker 4: the most presidential. He might say things that perhaps he

678
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Speaker 4: shouldn't already, might come down and tweet things or whatever else.

679
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Speaker 4: But that was funny to them. They like that, you know,

680
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Speaker 4: this is not going to be the thing that ruins

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Speaker 4: Trump with them. Yeah, to be honest, I thought that

682
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Speaker 4: those three at the back were locked in for Trump.

683
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Speaker 4: They're going to vote for him at the primary. That's

684
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Speaker 4: very hard for the way there's people in the middle

685
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Speaker 4: of the key.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, absolutely agree. You know, it was interesting

687
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Speaker 2: to see them on Nikki Haley, that one woman she's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't even Yeah, yeah, it's worth saying.

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Speaker 4: I think that, you know, no candidate here has not

690
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Speaker 4: only had not had a breakthrough moment, but also no

691
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Speaker 4: one's had a New Hampshire moment. No one was sort

692
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Speaker 4: of saying, oh, they've turned up to a lot of events,

693
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Speaker 4: They've done a lot, and you know, that's bad news

694
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Speaker 4: for candidates like Niki Haley and Viveke Ramaswami, who spent

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Speaker 4: a lot of time in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: They weren't. They weren't noticing that.

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Speaker 1: I think actually the comments about the Vike were some

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Speaker 1: of the most critical.

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Speaker 3: You had some people who said.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like him, he seems he seems pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But then they would flow like maybe he could be

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Speaker 1: Trump's vice president. But some of the negative critiques of

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Speaker 1: him were also interesting. They found him, they found he

704
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Speaker 1: came across politiciany and also like they didn't trust him.

705
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Speaker 1: There was some skepticism of him that clearly existed in

706
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Speaker 1: this group, even among people that you know that you

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Speaker 1: might think had a favorable impression of him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it seems that the vake Ramaswami. You know,

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Speaker 4: we did a poll after the first debate which lead

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Speaker 4: breaking points covered and vike Ramaswami came to top on

711
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Speaker 4: that pole. But he does not seem to have converted

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Speaker 4: that debate performance into sort of solid support. We've seen

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Speaker 4: that in the polls. He had a boost before the debate,

714
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Speaker 4: but he hasn't really had a boost in the numbers

715
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Speaker 4: since the debate. And it seems like actually his manner

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Speaker 4: and his style on that debate, even though people like

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Speaker 4: what he was saying, seems to have rubbed off a

718
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Speaker 4: bit negatively on some of these people. Now, big caveat.

719
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Speaker 4: It's only one focus group, you know, there's lots of

720
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Speaker 4: time to go. But certainly this is not someone who

721
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Speaker 4: you know, got a clean sweep and got a lot

722
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Speaker 4: of momentum from that debate. Perhaps somewhat predicting he might.

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Speaker 1: There were two people who got less negative comments than

724
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Speaker 1: what I was actually expecting, and that was Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: and Chris Christy. Chris Christy, even some of the people

726
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Speaker 1: who were like, you know, sort of Trump curious or

727
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Speaker 1: Trump supporters were described him as like he tells it

728
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Speaker 1: like it is.

729
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Speaker 3: You know, he's frank.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was also he's a rhino, and there

731
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Speaker 1: was that sentiment there as well. But I actually expected

732
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Speaker 1: basically everyone in the group to be like, he's a

733
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Speaker 1: rhino and I don't like him, But there was this

734
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Speaker 1: sense of like, oh, he's brash, he tells it like

735
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Speaker 1: it is. There was more of that in the group

736
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Speaker 1: than I expected. The other one was, as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence, where because there's been obviously January sixth year

738
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Speaker 1: of people running around saying wanted to hang him. He

739
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Speaker 1: has now at this point become more outspoken about Trump

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Speaker 1: and about Trump's governance and you know, just gave this

741
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Speaker 1: big speech really contrasting his vision with Trump's vision, etc.

742
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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 1: I thought there would be more negative sentiment towards him,

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Speaker 1: and again there was some of that. You know, he

745
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Speaker 1: was described as a sellout. The one gentleman who's clearly

746
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Speaker 1: like very strong Trump supporter called a lot of these

747
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Speaker 1: folks rhinos, but Mike Pencil was one of the ones

748
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Speaker 1: who got the rhino label. But you also heard people saying, oh,

749
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Speaker 1: he's experienced, you know, they felt like.

750
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Speaker 3: He was a good person.

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Speaker 1: They just disagreed with some of the values in some

752
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Speaker 1: of the direction that he wanted to go in. So

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Speaker 1: I was I was actually surprised it wasn't more sort

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Speaker 1: of vicious and negative on Mike Pence.

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Speaker 4: This is the perennial burden of doing these focus greens

756
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Speaker 4: is saying, never, never overestimate how cludin people are. Yeah,

757
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Speaker 4: because you know, people are not following the contours of

758
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Speaker 4: this like we do. You know, they're not following the

759
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Speaker 4: ups and downs of the race. And to some people,

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Speaker 4: they see Mike pens of that debate and they think, oh,

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Speaker 4: he came across quite strong. He came across quite principle,

762
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Speaker 4: and they quite like that. It's come off a little

763
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Speaker 4: bit in the numbers now, but in some of the

764
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Speaker 4: early primary polls of this of this cycle, we saw

765
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Speaker 4: quite a large chunk of Trump voters were saying that

766
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Speaker 4: Mike Pence was their second choice.

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Speaker 2: And that's still the existence he was a vice president. Yeah,

768
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Speaker 2: it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the last one for you to weigh

770
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Speaker 1: in on is actually two of them, so Tim Scott

771
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Speaker 1: and Ronda Santis. People didn't have really strong views on

772
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Speaker 1: Tim Scott. There was a sense again of sort of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's fine, but maybe needs some experience. He seems honorable,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. Ronda Santis actually had a pretty

775
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Speaker 1: positive reception. You know, the one gentleman who is very

776
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Speaker 1: hard Trump and called almost everybody else a rhino, he

777
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Speaker 1: didn't say that about Ronda Santis, even though Trump has

778
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Speaker 1: been obviously aggressively going against Ronda Sanctimonius to beat ball

779
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Speaker 1: Ron whatever the latest nickname of the day is. He

780
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Speaker 1: said that he sees him as well spoken and kind

781
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Speaker 1: of a take charge guy. And so across this group,

782
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Speaker 1: with the exception of the one woman who's the Doug

783
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Speaker 1: Burghram supporter, there seemed to be pretty positive sentiments towards

784
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Speaker 1: him presenting possibly an opera. I mean, if he were

785
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Speaker 1: to consolidate some of that and consolidate the people who

786
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Speaker 1: are like I'm not sure about Trump, consolidate some of

787
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Speaker 1: the people who are definitely anti Trump.

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Speaker 3: Then he would have a shot.

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Speaker 1: I think, as Sagara was pointing out before the challenge

790
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Speaker 1: in doing that is that people's reasons why they don't

791
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Speaker 1: want Trump again are so different and so various that

792
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Speaker 1: it makes it really hard to have one cohesive message

793
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Speaker 1: that would bring all of those individuals together.

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Speaker 4: It does, and I think Ron de Santis and Tim

795
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Speaker 4: Scott will now be thinking, we need to have a moment.

796
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Speaker 4: It's not good enough for Tim Scott to have a

797
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Speaker 4: solid debate, it's not good enough for Ron Santas to

798
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Speaker 4: have a solid debate. They need to start really carving

799
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Speaker 4: them out as the clear opponents and challenges, and they

800
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: need to do that quite quickly now that there is time.

801
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Speaker 4: But look at what happened in twenty sixteen. You know,

802
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Speaker 4: you have Iowa, you have New Hampshire, you have South Carolina,

803
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Speaker 4: and then it's not long until you're into Super Tuesday. Now,

804
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: if there's still a fractured field by then Trump mops up.

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Speaker 2: He gets it.

806
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Speaker 4: But I mean, if I was advising, you know, one

807
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Speaker 4: of these candidates, so it was Tim Scott, Rondo Santa's,

808
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: you know, how do you break through? Well, clearly they

809
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: need to have a big sort of presence on the

810
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Speaker 4: debate stage, but it might also be worth thinking for them,

811
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: what the sort of policy issue that they can really

812
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Speaker 4: make a splash with. And one of the things that

813
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Speaker 4: really united this group quite different perhaps and sort of

814
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Speaker 4: what we might expect Trump supporters to be like, is

815
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Speaker 4: that they were very, very keen to see the federal

816
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Speaker 4: government become a lot smaller. They were keen to see

817
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Speaker 4: spending cart they were keen to see the government step

818
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Speaker 4: back from from their lives. Now, if DeSantis or Tim

819
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Speaker 4: Scott could come up with a really punchy economic policy,

820
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Speaker 4: don't quite know what that is. Perhaps there's a flat

821
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Speaker 4: rate tax, perhaps it's something that really appeals to those

822
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Speaker 4: sort of small state Republicans, then you could see them

823
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Speaker 4: start to break through a little.

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Speaker 2: It really makes sense in the live for your dire state.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about how it would look like, you know,

826
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Speaker 2: on a national level. I think one of my takeaways

827
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Speaker 2: was with DeSantis is the COVID critique. For some reason,

828
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: he has that critique of Trump from the very beginning,

829
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Speaker 2: criticized warp Speed, criticized Mount Fauci. But not a single

830
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Speaker 2: one of those people was like, yeah, but that's why

831
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Speaker 2: I'm supporting dessantas the one Desanters guy didn't even cite COVID.

832
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Speaker 2: The other people were not. They were like, yeah, I

833
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: kind of agree with the critique, but they're not immediately

834
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Speaker 2: saying his name. And if he hasn't, wont him over

835
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Speaker 2: at this point, I'm like, man, that's kind I'm just curious,

836
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, what could possibly we had those two undecided ladies,

837
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Speaker 2: both of them are very concerned about COVID, but none

838
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: of them they're like, yeah, I'm considering, you know, but

839
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: he still has not been able to win that over.

840
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Speaker 2: So I actually a bit of a red flag, you know,

841
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Speaker 2: he needs consolidate that if to the extent that that's

842
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: a large group in there. But I'm just not sure

843
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: given the amount of the disparate kind of concerns about

844
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Trump are just so all over the map from right

845
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Speaker 2: to left. I don't know if a single candidate can

846
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Speaker 2: do that.

847
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Speaker 4: Maybe the big moment comes if Trump attends one of

848
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Speaker 4: the debates, right, yeah, somebody can pit themselves as the

849
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Speaker 4: sort of andi Trump candidate, But who also appeals to

850
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Speaker 4: that key group in the middle. And I think, you know,

851
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Speaker 4: to listeners, I think i'd say the key thing to

852
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Speaker 4: take away from this focus group is that group in

853
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Speaker 4: the middle of these Trump agnostics.

854
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Speaker 2: You saw a couple of them there.

855
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Speaker 4: If they can be one round, then it's possible that

856
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: Trump's lead could fray. But look, there's no doubt based

857
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: on this Trump is the clear front.

858
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say, we're going to have, guys,

860
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Speaker 1: some of the more issues specific questions and some of

861
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Speaker 1: the clips from that, you know, on abortion in Ukraine

862
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: and other things later in the weeks that we're going

863
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Speaker 1: to have some of that as well, just as a preview.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a lot more, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I was curious from your perspective because

866
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Speaker 1: you're saying, you know, they're interested in smaller government, they're

867
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Speaker 1: interested in, you know, the pandemic. They have these things

868
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Speaker 1: that they raise, but when they're actually talking about the

869
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: candidates and how they feel about them and why they're

870
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Speaker 1: supporting them, it's very little that's issue specific. It's much

871
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: more seems to be about personal characteristics. So what was

872
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Speaker 1: your sense in the room of how much these is

873
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Speaker 1: it the vibes, is it the like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: personality contest or do you think it comes down more

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Speaker 1: to like, here's my top issues, here's how prioritizing them I.

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Speaker 4: Think come a general election, that matters a little bit more,

877
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Speaker 4: and I could certainly it was interesting when they were

878
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Speaker 4: talking about things like the economy and abortion, they were

879
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: talking about it not in reference to different Republican candidates

880
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 4: but against Joe Biden.

881
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Speaker 3: Correct.

882
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: So I do think that matters later, but at this stage,

883
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Speaker 4: I think one of the problems is for anyone trying

884
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Speaker 4: to differentiate on this. We've seen, you know, Nikki Haley,

885
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Speaker 4: for example, take a different position on social security with

886
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Speaker 4: see Mike Pence take a different position on abortion. The

887
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Speaker 4: problem of that sort of approach is that these voters

888
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Speaker 4: sort of assume most Republican candidates are probably on the

889
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Speaker 4: same side on these issues. They sort of instinctively trust

890
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Speaker 4: a lot of them to be so, and that makes

891
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Speaker 4: it hard to differentiate. So I think it is personality.

892
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Speaker 4: US polsters call it brand. You know, it's the brand

893
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: of these candidates. You know, in the same way you

894
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: might go to your favorite you know, chocolate bar provider

895
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 4: or your favorite you know, telecoms provider. It's the candidate

896
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: and how they come across. Are they competent, are they good?

897
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Speaker 4: Are they reliable? Are they strong? Will they stand up

898
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Speaker 4: for you? And that is, policy matters as a flag

899
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Speaker 4: for that, but it's also so much more about can

900
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: they convince the room, can they persuade them?

901
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: It's personal, characteristic and great point two about how it

902
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: matters also in terms of how they see the other

903
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: candidate and whether they'll get some of what they want,

904
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Speaker 2: you know, Visa VI Joe Biden. So anyway, James, you

905
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Speaker 2: did fantastic job, you really did. Hopefully we'll see you again.

906
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Great w and we're excited to continue to bring everybody

907
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Speaker 2: all of this work that we've done in conjunction with

908
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Speaker 2: Jail Partners. You guys do amazing work. As we said,

909
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Speaker 2: we've cited previous polls and other things, and glad we

910
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Speaker 2: got to work together.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, people remember we showed before these word

912
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Speaker 1: clouds that you guys did of.

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Speaker 2: All the cod its.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were really interesting because again it's like

915
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Speaker 1: you can pull on these issues and people all, I

916
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: support this on Ukraine, I support that on abortion, but

917
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: like their gut check of when I hear this Canada's name,

918
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: what's the first thing that comes to mind? That's in

919
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Speaker 1: some ways the most revealing material. So that's why we're

920
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Speaker 1: so excited to work with you guys, and you came through.

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Speaker 3: This was phenomenal.

922
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Speaker 2: Thank thank you so much. Gus appreciate it very much,

923
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Speaker 2: and we will continue on with the rest of the show. Now,

924
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Speaker 2: last week we brought you the news that President Zelenski

925
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Speaker 2: had fired the Defense Minister over corruption. We're apparently allowed

926
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Speaker 2: to talk about corruption in Ukraine now, and the New

927
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Speaker 2: York Times, because they've gotten their marching orders now that

928
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Speaker 2: they're allowed to talk about it, are giving us an

929
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Speaker 2: even better insight into what this looks like. It's effectively

930
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Speaker 2: like the plot of the War Dogs movie or of

931
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: Lord of War. Crazy mercenaries who are very unscrewed are

932
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: getting hundreds of millions of dollars from the US government

933
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Speaker 2: on their ability to procure weapons and pump them into

934
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Speaker 2: the Ukraine conflict. Let's put this up there on the screen.

935
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Speaker 2: This is just one view. Remember this is just one

936
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Speaker 2: what twenty something months or so into the conflict. They

937
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Speaker 2: look at Florida based arms contractor. His name is Mark Morales.

938
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Speaker 2: He has regaled people with the stories on his new

939
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: ten million dollar yacht called trigger Happy Crystal that manages

940
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Speaker 2: his company's nine digit portfolio. Said portfolio includes like hundreds

941
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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars that are given to mister Morales.

942
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Speaker 2: They have awarded his company approximately one billion dollars in contracts,

943
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Speaker 2: mostly for ammunition. Record show he has built roughly two

944
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollar side business just selling to the Ukrainians directly.

945
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Speaker 2: He employs multiple Ukrainian officials, some of whom are pictured there,

946
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Speaker 2: one of them literally a former Defense ministry advisor. I mean,

947
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Speaker 2: why would you employ such a person right whenever you're

948
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Speaker 2: trying to sell weapons to the government. But the thing

949
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Speaker 2: I love about mister Morales is that quote. The Justice

950
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Speaker 2: Department indicted him in two thousand and nine on conspiracy

951
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: of money laundering charges after it said he was caught

952
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: on tape discussing methods for paying bribes to foreign officials.

953
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Quote thissally said, you just gotta be smarter than the government,

954
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: mister Morales said on one recording. Ultimately, FBI agents badly

955
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: botched the case and prosecutors had to drop charges. So

956
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: he's not been convicted. He stands innocent of the charges

957
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the law. But what they really

958
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: go into with mister Morales, and again we're using him

959
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: just as a stand in for how many there's probably

960
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: dozens of these types of guys who are operating inside

961
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine. Is these guys were instrumental in the Syria

962
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Speaker 2: and Afghan conflict.

963
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Speaker 1: Yep.

964
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Speaker 2: They have deep and shady ties for ammo dealers all

965
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Speaker 2: across the world. They can snap their fingers and they

966
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: can get a plane full of ammunition. And the Pentagon

967
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, the guy can get the job done,

968
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Speaker 2: So we're just gonna pump money, you know, into his

969
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: pockets and doesn't really matter where it's coming from, or

970
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: what's going on, or where this money is doing or

971
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Speaker 2: who exactly he's paying inside of the country. And it's

972
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: just so obvious. I mean, one of the reasons they

973
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Speaker 2: tried to indict him in two thousand and nine is

974
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Speaker 2: because that directly violates the Foreign and Corrupt Practices Act

975
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Speaker 2: that the United States government has in place, in which

976
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Speaker 2: US businesses are not supposed to be bribing foreign officials

977
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Speaker 2: or engage in any of this corruption to procure business.

978
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: And that specifically would be a violation of business violation

979
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Speaker 2: in terms of that revenue. But when that revenue is

980
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: directly based on the government itself, they're obviously looking the

981
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Speaker 2: other way. So I thought This was just a perfect

982
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Speaker 2: example of you know, now it's twenty something months into

983
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Speaker 2: the conflict, the Biden administration is on the verge of

984
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Speaker 2: sending long range missiles to Ukraine, of which they directly

985
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: had said before it would escalate the conflict. And we

986
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: don't have enough said missiles because if we ever get

987
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Speaker 2: into a conflict, we may need them. Of course I've

988
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: said this before on a long enough timeline, Ukraine always

989
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: get what it wants. But you know, if people like

990
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: mister Morales, who are the go tos between these it's

991
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: not just a direct arms transfers. We take the money,

992
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: we give it to people like him. He gets it

993
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: from god knows where, and then he gives it to Ukraine.

994
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Speaker 2: And he's making a very tidy little profit enough to

995
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Speaker 2: get a ten million dollar yacht in Florida. Must be nice.

996
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: It's nice life. He's got down.

997
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Speaker 1: He's gotten a billion dollars in contracts from the Pentagon.

998
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Speaker 1: I think this story, first of all, some of the

999
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: details here. There are so many Yize details in this,

1000
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Speaker 1: starting with you know, the image of him on his

1001
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: quote unquote trigger happy yacht and partying with these Ukrainian

1002
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: officials and current members of the Ukrainian military that he

1003
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Speaker 1: also employs in order to help him get the meetings

1004
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: with the Ukrainian government that he wants to secure further contracts.

1005
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: So he's not only doing business with the Pentagon. You know,

1006
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Speaker 1: the Pentagon is hiring him to procure and supply certain

1007
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: weapons and in particular ammunition, but he's also getting money

1008
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: directly from the Ukrainian government. He is walking right up

1009
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Speaker 1: to the line of directly bribing foreign officials.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's just no other way of describing this.

1011
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: One of the people that he employs is a sergeant

1012
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: in the Ukrainian military. He has done a lot too,

1013
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: So he pays this man, and then this man gets

1014
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: him these meetings with foreign government Offirato.

1015
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: So you tell me what that is.

1016
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: Ultimately, I think it's also important, outside of the details

1017
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: of this particular individual, that people really understand the nitty

1018
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: gritty of how this business is done, and that they

1019
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: remember that this man is becoming wildly wealthy off of

1020
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: this horrible, tragic war, and he's not alone.

1021
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: There are a lot of others who are just like him.

1022
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: The article sort of gestures at this massive arms market

1023
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: that has sprung up and the amount of money obviously

1024
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: flowing around all of Eastern Europe, and they say that

1025
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: it could reshape the politics and markets in that whole

1026
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: region for years and years to come, even following after

1027
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: the war, because this is defining sort of a new

1028
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: group of oligarchs who are getting wildly wealthy off of this.

1029
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: So it's always important to remember as these wars are

1030
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: going on, you know, we as the public see it,

1031
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: and we see the tragedy of it, we see the

1032
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: atrocities that are being committed, we see the absolute carnage

1033
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: and horror of it. But it's also important to remember

1034
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: that there are people who have a financial incentive to

1035
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: keep these things going and who are turning huge profits

1036
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: off of this carnage and killing.

1037
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Speaker 2: My personal favorite is that it's really not his connections

1038
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: to the Ukrainian government. Every Tom Dick and Harry and

1039
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Eastern Europe's got a connection to the corrupt Ukrainian government,

1040
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: he says, quote it is not his ties to the government,

1041
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: that is his ties to the Pentagon, which give him

1042
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: an unfair advantage. Quote. Arms brokers from around the world

1043
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 2: are competing for limited supply of Soviet style weapons, mostly

1044
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: from Eastern Europe. To sell to Ukraine. With cash pouring

1045
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: in from Washington, Morales can afford to pay more than

1046
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: his competitors do. Several Eastern European arms dealers complained they're

1047
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: mad they're not getting in on the bonanza. He then

1048
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: makes good on his American contracts, then buys even more

1049
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 2: ammunition with his profits to sell it to Ukraine directly,

1050
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: and in several cases early in the war, Morale US

1051
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: outbid rivals to buy explosive shells, for example, from a

1052
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: Bulgarian arms factory. All of this is again appropriated dollars

1053
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: from the US taxpayer to missed people like him who

1054
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: go out and you know, these shady factories. Nobody knows

1055
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: what's going on in these plays. They probably are most

1056
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: likely they're selling to both sides of the conflict. And

1057
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: this is a perfect example of a guy who's got

1058
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: Washington wired, knows how to gain the subcontracting business and

1059
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: contracting enough of a profit there if we can outbid

1060
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: people in there, and then you know, juice things with

1061
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian government, so we've got a consistent supply, and

1062
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: longer this conflict goes on, the richer people like him

1063
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: are going to get and what I want to be clear,

1064
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: this isn't even signaling the man out because there are

1065
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: dozens of people like him, and frankly, he's a small

1066
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: fish in all of this. The people who are really

1067
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: cleaning up or like I said that Bulgarian arms factory,

1068
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 2: our defense contractors who are also those are the people

1069
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: making billions of dollars whenever they are raking that in.

1070
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: He's just like a player in this entire thing. One

1071
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: of the again I shouted out the movie Wardogs. I

1072
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: recommend people go and watch it because that is a

1073
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: great example of our government is not in control nearly

1074
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: as much as people think. They think we're like flying

1075
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: seat thirty sevens over and just dropping the weapons off. No, no, no,

1076
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: you know we the government doesn't do anything anymore. We

1077
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: subcontract out everything NASA to SpaceX and you know the

1078
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: Pentagon here to arms dealers. We just write a check

1079
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: and then we just expect said weapons to show up.

1080
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: And the biggest problem with this is not only quality control,

1081
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: but also who knows who's where are these weapons going.

1082
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: We've already done multiple reports here guys in Azov Nazi battalion,

1083
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: brand new weapons just showing up. We did previously that

1084
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: story about the American mercenary who had told stories about

1085
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: how the just brand new crates of weapons just show up. Yeah,

1086
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: if you're there, grab one. Why not? You know? And

1087
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: who knows? What are they dealing with it? And then

1088
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: also who is stopping people like Morales or any of

1089
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: these people inside Ukraine from taking that crate? Maybe they

1090
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: gave a third to the Ukrainians and they sell two

1091
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: thirds on the black market. That's exactly what happened in Afghanistan.

1092
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I've said this before, but the people who

1093
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: really want in Afghanistan bankers in Dubai, And this is

1094
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: a good example. Guys like him made their bones in

1095
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: the Syria and Afghan conflict being able to procure sketchy

1096
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: weapons and deliver it to the conflict zone. So why not,

1097
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: you know? And the amount of money laundering and other

1098
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: chicanery that's going on behind the scenes is just outrageous.

1099
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: When you see something like.

1100
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: This, Your subcontracting point is actually really interesting and important

1101
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: because what happens, whether it's the government using subcontractors or

1102
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: you see this like an auto industry or any other industry,

1103
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: when they use subcontractors, they allow that to act as

1104
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: an excuse to not worry too much about the mushy

1105
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: details about how whatever they need is getting done, and

1106
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: so it makes it much more difficult to have any

1107
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: sort of transparency, accountability, the sort of thing that you

1108
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: would really want inside of a democracy when it comes to.

1109
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: The core issues of war and peace.

1110
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: And by sub contracting, not just in the area of

1111
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: defense spending, but really across all of government, by so contracting,

1112
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: so many key functions out and you know, depleting the

1113
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: ability of our government to actually do anything itself. Yeah,

1114
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: it allows a lot of things to be swept under

1115
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: the rug. It allows people to look in the other

1116
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: direction and empower individuals like this one who was formally

1117
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: indicted for you know, some sketchy circumstances. Again he's guilty,

1118
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: so he's innocent, but you know, raises some question mark. Yeah, anyway,

1119
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: allows our government to work with people like this and

1120
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: not look too closely at exactly what the details are,

1121
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: exactly what's going.

1122
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: On exactly right, and guess what the rest of the

1123
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: world they're waking up. They have a very different view

1124
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: of this conflict. That was especially in the air at

1125
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 2: the g twenty summit, which just happened in New Delhi,

1126
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: where it stunningly if you don't pay attention to the news,

1127
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. The language that

1128
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: previously had dropped a condemnation of Russian aggression against Ukraine

1129
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: was actually did not appear in the joint communicate that

1130
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 2: was released by the entire G twenty. They say quote

1131
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 2: G twenty leaders have failed to condemn the Russian invasion

1132
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: of Ukraine in their joint statement after both China and

1133
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: Russia of course rejected language that blamed Moscow for the conflict,

1134
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: but it really wasn't just them. The New Delhi actually

1135
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: summit declaration only referred to quote the war in Ukraine

1136
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: after a formulation of supporters in Kiev, and then also

1137
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 2: people who'd have a very different view of the conflict

1138
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: could not come to some sort of consensus about how

1139
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: things were going to refer to the conflict. The previous

1140
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: G twenty actually did refer to quote aggression by the

1141
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: Russian Federation against Ukraine, where Western diplomats and also Chinese

1142
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: officials did not put in the same place the blocks

1143
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 2: to stop that language from appearing, which shows you clearly

1144
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: things have changed in the geopolitical situation where they have

1145
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: enough juice, not just China and Russia, places like India,

1146
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: Brazil and others that have a very different view of

1147
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: said conflict. They even have the External Minister of Affairs

1148
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: of India, he said, quote it is a fact today

1149
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: it is a very polarizing issue. There are multiple views

1150
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: of this, there are spectrum of views. So I think

1151
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: in all fairness, it was only right to red what

1152
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: was the reality in the meeting rooms. The big takeaway

1153
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: mine from the G twenty sum in Crystal was just

1154
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: how far the US and Europe are moving away from

1155
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: the consensus of the rest of the world because you

1156
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: had big landmark meetings between Mody and MBS, You had

1157
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: meetings with the Chinese and the Russian officials. Lavrov, the

1158
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister of Russia, actually met with Prime Minister Modi

1159
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: on the sidelines and they it was pumped up by

1160
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: the Indian government because they rely on them, of course

1161
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: for a portion of their oil supply. But also President

1162
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: Lula of Brazil appeared prominently in a photo not only

1163
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: with Prime Minister Modi and with President Biden, but came

1164
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: out directly afterwards and he said, hey, I'm hosting the

1165
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: G twenty next year and putin if you want to come,

1166
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: we're not going to arrest you as a part of

1167
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 2: the international whatever criminal court tribunal. I mean, these are

1168
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: not things that you do whenever you're afraid of the West,

1169
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: afraid of Europe are in terms of their view on

1170
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine, it's what you do when you have

1171
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: a completely different view. You're looking out for your own interests,

1172
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: and you think that the war in Ukraine, while you

1173
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: think it's important, you think it's unjust. You know what's

1174
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: happening there. You're like, Okay, it's not the primacy of

1175
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: how I'm going to base my entire foreign policy. So

1176
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: Washington's decision to make everything about Ukraine, every single thing

1177
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: that we do, you know, alienating so many of our allies.

1178
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 2: The G twenty, to me, is a much better view

1179
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: of how this is going as opposed to the G seven,

1180
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: because the G twenty is the actual emerging economies all

1181
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: across Asian And it's also no surprise that President Biden

1182
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: right now is in Hanoi and Vietnam because he needs

1183
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: to shore up what's going on with our Asian alliance,

1184
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: and Vietnam is our number ten trading partner, like reality

1185
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: is beginning to hit us in terms of our obsession

1186
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: with this conflict.

1187
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: It's accelerated the realization of a multipolar world that you know,

1188
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: we were already heading towards, but this has helped to

1189
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: consolidate that new reality. And you can see it when

1190
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: a country like Brazil is like, no, we're not going

1191
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: to go along at all with.

1192
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: What you think, with what you say.

1193
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: We're not going to be ugly er mean about it,

1194
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: but we have a different view of this and I

1195
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: feel very comfortable asserting it and looking out for our

1196
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: own interest in this conflict.

1197
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: Same thing with India.

1198
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: You know, is interesting the news coverage of the G

1199
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: twenty because this is a sort of understandable given that

1200
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: the language last time around was a little bit stronger,

1201
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: and you know, they weren't able to condemn Russian aggression,

1202
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: which you know, I think that they should be able

1203
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: to do, but there was a lot of shock that

1204
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: that was the case. And if anything, I'm actually surprised

1205
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: they were able to issue any sort of joint communicate

1206
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: because of the size of the divisions at this point.

1207
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it was a big win for Moodi

1208
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: who's facing reelection to be able to get any sort

1209
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: of joint statement out From the US's side, you had

1210
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan, US National Security Advisor calling it a set

1211
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: of consequential paragraphs. They're talking about. Listen, you had to

1212
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: compromise some if you were going to get anything done.

1213
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: Some of their priorities in terms of getting grain exports,

1214
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: restarting the Black Sea that was discussed and you know,

1215
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: commitment to that was realized within this communicay, which is

1216
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: I think really important not just for Ukrainians but for

1217
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: people around the world in terms of food prices. There

1218
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: was another piece here that you know, there was an

1219
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: effort to highlight climate change and to call for reduction

1220
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: fossil fuels, but there was also no deadline there, so

1221
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like meaningless words on that one.

1222
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia obviously not going to go along with that

1223
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: one either. So while there while the some of the

1224
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: things that were not in the communicy.

1225
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: Really underscore the deep divisions at.

1226
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: This point within the G twenty and between the US

1227
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: and Europe and the rest of the world in general.

1228
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm actually surprised they were able to

1229
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: put anything out jointly.

1230
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: At this point, another important point from the G twenty

1231
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Mode making a big show of inviting the

1232
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: African Union directly as a member of the G twenty.

1233
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: That's again, you know, acceleration. The African Union very very

1234
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: different of view of the conflict in Ukraine than anything

1235
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: else going on in the West. They have much deeper

1236
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: ties with China, you know, I just want to emphasize

1237
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: what you said. We're seeing a huge bifurcation with the

1238
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: rest of the world and US. Now, that doesn't mean

1239
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 2: the rest of the world agrees with each other. India

1240
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: and China avil sorts of rivalry. Actually, there was a

1241
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: lot of questions about shishing Ping and China ahead of

1242
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: this because of a map that the Chinese government put

1243
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: out which jos a border dispute. But overall, I want to,

1244
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: you know, just to underscore what you said, which is

1245
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: I actually thought there was criminal undercoverage what was going

1246
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: on in the G twenty, just because what was going

1247
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: on there and with the bricks. You know, that is

1248
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: clearly going to define a huge portion of geopolitical just

1249
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: of geopolitical not only tension, but division and evolution in

1250
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: the next century. As opposed to the amount of slabbeign

1251
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: coverage that Western based ones like G seven and others get.

1252
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: Our future is in Asia. I mean, like I said,

1253
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: anyone who can read an actual table can see where

1254
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: our major trading partners are, where fifty percent of the

1255
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: world's GDP is. And to see the divisions also between

1256
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: the you know, the Japanese and the South Koreans coming

1257
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: together at their recent Camp David summit. As opposed to

1258
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: how much attention the administration paced in Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine,

1259
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: you think it's the most important thing going on in

1260
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: the world. I thought it was a very interesting, you

1261
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: know thing, that this even happened. And to see that

1262
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: again going to Brazil and Putin will be showing up

1263
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: most likely and facing some of the biggest critics on

1264
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: the world stage in a year from now. What a

1265
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: crazy development. I mean, think about that. President Biden well

1266
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: be running for reelection a year from now. I guess

1267
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: if he's around and he's you see Putin face to face,

1268
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: which that's what led to that famous moment. I think

1269
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: it was at the G eight, or maybe it would

1270
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: be in the G twenty when Obama and Putin had

1271
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: the sideline conversation. So you never know how these things

1272
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: are going to go. It's going to be interesting.

1273
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, we got some big domestic news that's going

1274
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: to be excited about.

1275
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: Here, so I have you know. It's just one of

1276
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: those where a major failure for small D democracy. Nancy Pelosi,

1277
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: Representative California San Francisco, has decided she will be running

1278
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: for reelection. The fact that she's running for reelection at

1279
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: all is stunning. She's eighty three years old, but the

1280
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: reasons for why she's running for reelection are very telling

1281
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: in what she's chosen to emphasize. Let's take a listen.

1282
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 13: Just signed now that in light of the values Fransisco,

1283
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 13: where she had always been ground to promote, that she

1284
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 13: may have made decision to seek reelection. I think it's

1285
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 13: important for me to use my knowledge of the Congress,

1286
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 13: my knowledge of the city, my concern about the country

1287
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 13: for the benefit of my constituent. So it was really

1288
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 13: more respons about responsibility.

1289
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: Did you ever think about not running, Well, you always do.

1290
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 13: I mean for thirty six years I've running. You always

1291
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 13: have to measure what the value is of your contribution

1292
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 13: in something like this, and I never thought I'd stay

1293
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 13: as long as I did.

1294
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: I never thought I'd stay as long as I did,

1295
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: but I'm staying. Anyways, Let's go to put this up there,

1296
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: and Nancy Pelosi decides that she will be running for

1297
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: reelection in twenty twenty four, dismissing talk of retirement at

1298
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: age eighty three. I mean, this is just someone who

1299
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: is power hungry, and I think their entire identity is

1300
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: wrapped up in their holding office. And at this point,

1301
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: you know, even though she's not the speaker, she's like

1302
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: still the de facto leader of the Democratic Party. She

1303
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: doesn't want to give it up, Crystal. And you know

1304
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: after the coup that she's pulled off by keeping Feinstein

1305
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: in office, rigging the California Democratic primary process so that

1306
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: she'll never face an opponent opponent so that her chosen

1307
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: Adam Schiff will very likely be able to get them

1308
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: or at least contest the nomination. Why should she, I mean,

1309
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: she's one of those who's like, yeah, it doesn't matter.

1310
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: And she's impervious to criticism about the stock trading, She's

1311
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: impervious to criticism about her age. She pulls the feminism

1312
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: card anytime you even try and talk about it as

1313
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: if it's a feminist issue that people are way too

1314
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: old in Congress. I mean, we she just should not

1315
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: dismiss the idea that it's disgraceful that people who are

1316
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: this old continue to just hold onto power and not

1317
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: allow any new generation. And my personal favorite was a

1318
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: clip where she was defending like the state of San Francisco.

1319
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: Someone was like, hey, how's san Francisco done under She's like,

1320
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: you're running for Sanford Goes not doing very well right now.

1321
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: She's like, no, that's an isolated local issue. It's like, well,

1322
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: why are you doing anything about it?

1323
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 8: Then?

1324
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's your whole ostensible reason for running. So she

1325
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: mentions Trump, she dismisses talk, and she says, san Francisco

1326
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: is fine. It's ridiculous.

1327
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Speaker 1: I feel like these people feel like they're so core

1328
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: to like that they just, I don't know, they just

1329
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: can't give it up. You know, it's become so central

1330
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: to their own personal identity. They love the power, they

1331
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: love like the spectacle and the yes men and women

1332
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: around them, and they just never let go of their grip,

1333
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: grasping grip on whatever power they have. And you know,

1334
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: this is consequential Obviously it's consequential for people who live

1335
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: in her district. But obviously Nancy Pelosi is much more

1336
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: than just one member of Congress representing one district. She

1337
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: is a national figure, and as long as she remains

1338
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: in Congress, and probably even if she did retire, you

1339
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: can be assured that as much as Sachem Jeffrey's name

1340
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: maybe at the front of the cock is, if you

1341
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: know who was really running the show there. And so

1342
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: I just think it continues point to an extraordinary failure

1343
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 1: at the core of our democracy that these people feel

1344
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: like they can hang on forever and ever, well into

1345
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: their eighties with Diane Feinstein, my got into her nineties

1346
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: and never face real accountability and never be even pushed

1347
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: aside for a new generation, hopefully that's not just a

1348
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: repeat of the old generation that maybe has some different

1349
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: ideas and perspectives to offer at least open it up

1350
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: to a real democratic process. So I just think it's

1351
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: a sign of more core wrought at how unrepresentative are

1352
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: so called democracy has truly become.

1353
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you know, one of the things

1354
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: that she continues to say is she even used the

1355
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: Trump boogeyman in one interview that she gave. She was like, well,

1356
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: if Trump comes back, like we're going to need somebody

1357
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: to stand up to him. It's like, well, what are

1358
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: you going to do? How has that gone? I mean

1359
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: exactly how did it go for you?

1360
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: What makes you think that you did such an effective

1361
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: job at that The man almost won last time around.

1362
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: It's only because of his own absolute insanity and stupidity

1363
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,959
Speaker 1: that he didn't. He's hide with Biden right now while

1364
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: he's facing freaking ninety one different charges, and so you're

1365
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: really the bulwark against Trump and the fascists. Like, give

1366
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: me a freaking break. Where is any evidence that any

1367
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: of the approach you've taken to this man has been

1368
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Speaker 1: successful whatsoever?

1369
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: And you know, the thing is is that this fake

1370
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: turnover leadership I think is even worse almost than an

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01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 2: out retirement as you were talking about with yeah, hakem Jefferies,

1372
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: because I mean, even standing standy Homer is like eighty

1373
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: four years old.

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Speaker 3: He's the same age as her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same age. Jim Clyburn, I know, is also getting

1376
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: up there. Everyone is allegedly stepping down from their leadership roles,

1377
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: but they're not retiring. And it's like when you don't

1378
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: retire then clearly like you're still running the show behind

1379
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: the scenes. And to see this running for reelection, to

1380
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 2: remain the main face of the party. She's still the

1381
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: number one fund raising draw which is insane to me.

1382
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: But it shows you a lot about Democratic downers and

1383
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: to still be like pulling strings behind the scene with Feinstein.

1384
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: You know, we can't emphasize enough just how much of

1385
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: a failure it really is. And also the inability to

1386
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: pass the torch and just let it. You know, who

1387
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: knows how it will play out. They came from the generation,

1388
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: all of these people from when actually there was a

1389
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: huge injection of new blood in the Democratic Party. They're

1390
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: called the Watergate babies. A lot of people were swept

1391
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: into the office with a disgust of the Republican Party

1392
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: and the institutional decline after Watergate. And it's just funny

1393
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: because they've effectively created their own type of situation where

1394
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: their inability to let go of power has led to

1395
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: the same sort of cynicism which propelled them to office

1396
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: in the first place. But they never wanted to learn

1397
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: that lesson. They just keep droning on and on. I

1398
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: was talking with someone recently and I think what they

1399
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: said is like, look, Congress is a great place to

1400
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: be old. You have a mandatory staff, You get free flights,

1401
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, all around the country, no matter where you

1402
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: want to go, everyone opens a door for you. You

1403
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: only work three days a week. You don't have to

1404
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 2: work that hard. If you don't want to, people call.

1405
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: Everyone has to call you, mammer sir. You'll always get

1406
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: you know, priority boarding on an aircraft. You'll always get

1407
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: a dinner reservation, you get free booze, you get free

1408
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: free dinners. What's not to love. It's effectively a great

1409
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: retirement home, except we all pay for it, and they're

1410
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be working for us. Yeah, that's a crazy part.

1411
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked it up.

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01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: You're right.

1413
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: Hoyer's eighty four. Yea, Clyburns eighty three, Pelosis eighty three.

1414
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 3: This is nuts completely.

1415
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: The President's eighty one. He's a spring chicken.

1416
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.

1417
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Speaker 1: This came up a lot in the focus group, and

1418
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: we're going to show you some of this. But they

1419
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: were very concerned about and they brought up McConnell, and

1420
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: they brought up fine set. Of course, they brought up Biden,

1421
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: but they see this also on the you know, this

1422
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: is a group of Republicans in New Hampshire. They saw

1423
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: this also as a really core issue. Now, it was

1424
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: interesting because they differed on how you deal with it.

1425
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: There was some some people were like I definitely want

1426
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: term limits or I definitely want angelamits, and who were like,

1427
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, and maybe we should have

1428
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: a cognitive ability test. So there was a lot of

1429
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: ideas about Okay, how do we actually deal with this

1430
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: core failure? But I think there is just wide spread

1431
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: this discussed with the way that these people, whether they're

1432
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: Republicans or Democrats, hang on to power long after the

1433
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: public really want in there.

1434
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, all.

1435
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: Right, we've got some big developments this morning in terms

1436
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: of what happened on that faithful day when JFK was assassinated.

1437
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: Now a little bit of context just for people to remember.

1438
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: Core to the idea put forward by the Warren Commission

1439
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: that led to the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was

1440
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: the lone gunman, was this idea of a pristine or

1441
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: magic bullet which was discovered, which supposedly, did you know

1442
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: all the damage to JFK, but also to the governor

1443
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: that was there with him, and the bullet itself looked impeccable,

1444
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: like it hadn't done anything at all. So this was

1445
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: always one of the points that people were like.

1446
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but to be on the stretcher.

1447
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: Yes, on a stretcher, which becomes incredibly relevant. But to

1448
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: make that whole theory work, they had to have this

1449
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: bullet doing things that no bullet.

1450
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: Has ever done before. Okay, that's the backstory.

1451
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: So now we have one Secret Service agents who was

1452
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: actually charged with protecting Jackie Kennedy.

1453
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: He has decided to tell.

1454
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: His story and he claims, let's put this up on

1455
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: the screen from Vanity Fair. He claims he was actually

1456
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: the person who found that bullet, and he found it

1457
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: in Kennedy's limo, and the placement of where he found

1458
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: it is incredibly important because it would make no sense

1459
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: for that bullet to be in that location if it

1460
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: actually did all those things that the Warrant Commission claimed

1461
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: that it did. Furthermore, part of what allowed them to

1462
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 1: draw that conclusion was there were two stretchers, right. There

1463
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: was one stretcher that had Governor Connolly, who was injured

1464
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: but not killed in the shooting, and one stretcher that

1465
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: had JFK. This secret Service agent claims that he put

1466
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: the bullet at the hospital because he wanted to make

1467
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: sure that they had it and it was an important

1468
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: piece of evidence. But he himself health is shocked and

1469
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: horrified and suffered clearly with a lot of PTSD, et cetera.

1470
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: But he decides to put this bullet, he says, on

1471
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: Kennedy's stretcher. Now for it to make sense that this

1472
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: bullet did all the things they said it did, it

1473
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: needed to have been instead with Governor Connolly's body. So

1474
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: I know this can sound really like in the weeds,

1475
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: but this one bullet, like the Warren Commission, really hung

1476
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: their entire conclusions on what happened with this one bullet.

1477
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: And so the fact that you now have a secret

1478
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: Service agent who you know, for a variety of reasons,

1479
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: mostly his own trauma, didn't want to speak out before,

1480
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't actually dig into the Warren Commission report, didn't dig

1481
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: in until recently until any of the you know, the

1482
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: other alternative explanations that are out there for what might

1483
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: have actually happened on this day. He has decided here

1484
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: now while he's probably close to the end of his

1485
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: life to come out and tell this story. So he

1486
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: says that he spotted this bullet resting on the top

1487
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: of the back seat, He picked it up, put it

1488
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: in his pocket, brought it into the hospital. Then upon

1489
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: entering trauma room number one at that stage, he was

1490
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: the only non medical person in the room besides Missus Kennedy.

1491
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: He insists he placed the bullet on a white cotton

1492
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: blanket on the President's stretcher. And this vanity, Fairs says,

1493
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: as it turns out, may upend key conclusions of the

1494
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: Warren Commission, the body created by President Lyndon Johnson to

1495
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: investigate the assassination. And part of why, Sagary, you have

1496
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: to have this one bullet doing so many things is

1497
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: because the type of gun that Lee Harvey os while

1498
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: supposedly used like there was no way he could have

1499
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: himself fired sufficient rounds in a short period, is like

1500
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: two seconds that he would have had to fire sufficient rounds,

1501
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: And witnesses on the scene said, many of them said

1502
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: they heard more rounds than what the official conclusion in

1503
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: the report was. So you can see the way they

1504
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: sort of like cobbled things together to try to make

1505
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: this theory work and to rule out the possibility of

1506
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: any other gunman.

1507
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, the magic bullet theory was invented by Arlen Spector.

1508
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: It was like the Golden bow tie on the Warren

1509
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: Commission to be able to explain how exactly the amount

1510
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: of bullets that were technically fired possibly or thought to

1511
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: be by Lee Harvey Os while he was able to

1512
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: inflict the damage that it had been. We had the

1513
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: pristine billet which found on the stretcher. The important thing

1514
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: from mister Landis's thing is, I think it's not just trum.

1515
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: I think he was obviously he was afraid. I mean

1516
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: that's really what comes through. If you go through and

1517
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: you read Tom O'Neil's book Chaos, and you have all

1518
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: these people who are involved in Manson. It's clearly the

1519
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: CIA op gone terribly wrong. And many of the cops

1520
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: and others who are involved in that, even decades later,

1521
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: they're terrified to be able to speak to Tom O'Neil

1522
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: whenever he wrote that book. Well, it's the same thing

1523
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 2: here with many of these secret service agents. And don't forget,

1524
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: I mean these guys were close up. They probably had blood,

1525
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, smeared all over their clothes, and they were

1526
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: witnessed to a horrific murder and then probably put through

1527
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: the ringer and pressure from the FBI and investigative sources.

1528
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 2: Another thing that he points to is that the scene

1529
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: was not secured at all. It's very important really where

1530
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 2: he says that he did not He was very concerned

1531
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: about how the scene was not secured properly, about how

1532
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 2: law enforcement was handling the evidence that was around. And look,

1533
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: what are we to make of what he says, Like

1534
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 2: you said it cast out on the original magic bullet

1535
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: theory itself, which never made any goddamn sense. But really,

1536
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: what it is is the only doubt we could say

1537
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: as well, people's memories, you know, they age over time. Like,

1538
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: who knows if he's telling the truth or not. I'm

1539
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: inclined to believe him, just because there's never been any

1540
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: like real scrap of evidence for the magic bull of

1541
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: theory in the first place, and because so much of

1542
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: the processing of the scene, of the evidence and all

1543
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: that was so obviously manipulated by the FBI. I recommend

1544
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: Oliver Stones, you know, nearly four hour docu series on

1545
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: this that just came out. I think it came out

1546
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: last year or something like that. It was on showtime.

1547
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where it's available now. He goes through

1548
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: this in exhaustive detail, like in terms of the chain

1549
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: of custody, the autopsy photos, some of the manipulation that

1550
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: was going on there, the people who were actually at

1551
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: the book depository, whether they saw Lee Harvey Oswald whenever

1552
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: they should have seen Lee Harvey Oswell. I mean, just

1553
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: to me, this is so odd. There's no way that

1554
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: the Warren Commission, us the Warren Commission's narrative of what

1555
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 2: happened makes any sense.

1556
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1557
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: Zero. And I find it, you know, important that we're

1558
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: also talking about it on nine to eleven, of course,

1559
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: because it's like it's very important to keep up on

1560
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: all of these things, because you know, a lot of

1561
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: people believe this, at least at the time. But then

1562
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: as the as the time went on increasingly increasingly throughout

1563
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: the seventies and the eighties, there was a feeling with

1564
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: so many of the people who were not only were

1565
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 2: involved were present on that day, but with the American public,

1566
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: they're like, this just doesn't make any sense.

1567
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: I think the latest pulling was something like sixty percent

1568
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: of the American people now do not buy the Warren Commission

1569
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: official explanation, you know, just to underscore some of what

1570
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: you're saying there, because it becomes really critical.

1571
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 3: You know, in this.

1572
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: Telling, which stretcher the bullet ended up on. Was it

1573
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: Governor Connolly or was it JFK? And this secret Service

1574
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: agent land as he says that it was, he definitely

1575
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: placed it on JFK stretcher. There was even testimony at

1576
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: the time of how the bullet went from one stretcher

1577
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: to the other stretcher. There's a Parkland Memorial Hospital engineer

1578
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: named Darryl Tomlinson who originally testified that the two stretchers

1579
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: were in very proximate locations and the one that had

1580
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,839
Speaker 1: JFK on it got bumped and he saw a bullet

1581
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 1: fall off of that stretcher onto the floor. Now, under

1582
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: badgering and bullying basically from Arl Inspector, his testimony became

1583
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,919
Speaker 1: a little different when it came time for the Warren Commission,

1584
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: which shows you again how this was not just a

1585
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: straightforward fact finding mission. Arl Inspector and many of the

1586
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: other people who were on that commission who influenced that commission,

1587
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: they had a certain narrative. They wanted that they tried

1588
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: to get all of the facts to fit. There's also

1589
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the autopsy that was performed

1590
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: and some of the pictures that disappeared and were never

1591
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: released and may have shown some evidence of other shrapnel,

1592
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: which again would point to additional rounds, which again would

1593
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: basically rule out the idea that Lee Harvey Oswald was

1594
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: the loan gunman. So somehow those pictures disappeared. Don't know why,

1595
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: but could be very convenient for people who wanted a

1596
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: particular narrative to go forward and to be able to

1597
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: put this in the rear view mirror and not have

1598
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking a lot of questions.

1599
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting.

1600
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Jefferson Morley, who's JFK researcher and former I think Washington

1601
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: Post journalist and run he's has a substack called JFK Facts.

1602
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: His reaction was, he said, the importance of this story

1603
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: is that the newspaper of record, because this was originally

1604
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: published in The New York Times, now acknowledges the official

1605
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: theory of a quote loan gunman is not very credible.

1606
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: Twice in three months, the paper's ace reporter has broken

1607
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: JFK News, and he goes on to say that he

1608
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: his substacks is going to have Substack is going to

1609
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: have more revelations on the way. But I do think

1610
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: that that the fact that the damn has broken in

1611
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: some ways in terms of mainstream news questioning some of

1612
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: the official narrative that has been pushed for decades and

1613
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: decades at this point, I do think that that is

1614
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: noteworthy as well.

1615
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 2: One hundred percent got to give all the credit to

1616
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone. He's the one who reopened this entire thing

1617
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine with his film. That film had

1618
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: the JFK Assassination Records Act. That didn't end up working

1619
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: out because we still didn't get it, but that really

1620
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 2: reignited you know, public attention and in terms of interest,

1621
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: and it's been going on now for you know, that

1622
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: was before I was even born. That movie came out,

1623
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: and still people like me were able to watch the

1624
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: movie and then engage with his documentary and more so,

1625
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 2: I give him all the credit in the world. I

1626
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 2: really think he's almost singularly responsible for bringing this back

1627
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: in terms of public attention and then paving the way

1628
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 2: over the last thirty years and opening it so that

1629
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: people like Peter Baker can publish this in the New

1630
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: York Times. Really excellent stuff.

1631
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so we'll keep a close eye on that one, Talger,

1632
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: What are you looking at this much?

1633
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 2: Well, people in the gun world are often derided as

1634
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 2: paranoid conspiracy theorists. Nobody wants to take your guns. That's

1635
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: mostly the conventional line. It's held up recently until the

1636
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty Democratic primary race, when Beto Rourke proudly declared, quote,

1637
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: damn right, we are coming for your ar fifteen. Actually

1638
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: appreciated when you said that, because it's just obvious and

1639
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: true in the intent of what the end goal for

1640
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are opposed to gun rights

1641
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: actually want. At least now you can have a real debate.

1642
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,759
Speaker 2: The mask off moment from Beto is now the second

1643
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 2: in terms of what those opposed to gun rights would

1644
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 2: do if they had the power. After a stunning episode

1645
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: in the state of New Mexico, the governor of the state,

1646
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: Michelle Luhan Grisham, has unilaterally declared a thirty day ban

1647
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: on carrying guns in public areas or state property in

1648
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: the city of Albuquerque. Through use of a public health

1649
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 2: emergency declaration. The details of the ban are almost too

1650
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: incredible to believe. The governor decided to put into place

1651
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 2: this blatantly unconstitutional ban after the death of a five

1652
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: year old girl and believes that the gun ban will

1653
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: provide a quote cooling off period of gun violence for

1654
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 2: the state so they can figure out the best way

1655
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: to address public safety. What really chills the blood, though,

1656
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 2: is not how draconian the ban is, but the words

1657
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: that the governor used to in and.

1658
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 10: All to the Constitution.

1659
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 11: Isn't it unconstitutional to say you cannot exercise your carrying license.

1660
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 14: With one exception, and that is if there's an emergency

1661
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 14: and I've declared an emergency for a temporary amount of time,

1662
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 14: I can invoke additional powers. No constitutional right, in my view,

1663
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 14: including my oath, is intended to be absolute. There are

1664
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,480
Speaker 14: restrictions on free speech, there are restrictions on my freedoms

1665
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 14: in this emergency. This eleven year old and all these

1666
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 14: parents who have lost all these children, they deserve my

1667
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 14: attention to have the debate about whether or not in

1668
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 14: an emergency we can create a safer environment, because what

1669
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 14: about their constitutional rights? I took an oath to uphold

1670
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 14: those two and if we ignore this growing problem without

1671
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 14: being bold, I've said that every other New Mexican your

1672
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 14: rights are subrogated to theirs, and they are not in

1673
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 14: my view.

1674
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: Well literally said about crimes.

1675
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 11: There are laws against the crimes, so how are they're

1676
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 11: right it?

1677
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 14: But again, if I'm unsafe, who's standing up for that right?

1678
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 14: If this climate is so out of control, somebody should

1679
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 14: do something. I'm doing as much as I know to do.

1680
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: That is the purest distillation of the doctrine of safetyism

1681
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 2: I've ever heard. The governor declares that her commitment to

1682
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: the Constitution is not absolute, and worse, he uses the

1683
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: justification of all evil. If I feel I'm unsafe, than

1684
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 2: my rights trump yours. That's the extension of COVID ideology

1685
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 2: became normalized with lockdowns during the pandemic. No surprise to

1686
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 2: me that the Governor's then using the public health emergency

1687
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: as justification for the order. And just to be clear,

1688
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 2: this order does directly violate the US Supreme Court and

1689
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: the US Constitution. In June twenty twenty two, the Court

1690
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 2: ruled Americans have a right to carry firearms and public

1691
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: for self defense after striking down a New York State

1692
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: law that sought to implement a provision that said you

1693
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 2: must need proper cause to carry a gun outside your

1694
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: home in the state. The case, colloquially known as Bruin,

1695
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 2: fundamentally altered any state's ability to infringe upon carry laws

1696
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: in the public and directly set up this challenge now

1697
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: to the New Mexico governor. The iron is, you do

1698
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: not need a pro gun person like me to tell

1699
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 2: you any of this. Listen here. Anti gun activists David

1700
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: Hogg or Congressman Ted lou both tweeted some version of

1701
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: the following, I support gun safety laws, but this order

1702
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: violates the US Constitution. There is no state in the

1703
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: Union that can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no

1704
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: such thing as a state public health emergency exception to

1705
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: the US Constitution. And I guess the worst person you

1706
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: know just did make a good point, as the meme says,

1707
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 2: As both Hogg and Lou has said, gun groups already

1708
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 2: assuming the state of New Mexico, it likely won't even

1709
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: survive much longer. Sheriff's offices are wary about even implementing

1710
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 2: it because what the governor wants, Even though they could

1711
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: open themselves up now to civil litigation for blatantly violating,

1712
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 2: as I said, constitutional rights. So at least in this

1713
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: case it doesn't look like it may work. But don't

1714
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 2: delude yourself. If they could do it, they one hundred

1715
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: percent would, and worse, all of it is a cover

1716
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: for much bigger problems that we are all trying to

1717
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: move past. The government resferred to action by this death

1718
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: of children killed in recent shooting spates, including one road

1719
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 2: rage incident in a minor league baseball game, or the

1720
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: shooting of a five year old killed and drive by shooting.

1721
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: Let's stake the case of the five year old killed

1722
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: for example. You can see why this band doesn't even

1723
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 2: make any sense. Of the five people who were charged

1724
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 2: in the death of the five year old, only one

1725
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 2: suspect so far is even an adult. That adult is

1726
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: the girlfriend of one of the alleged shooters, who's seventeen

1727
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: years old. The others charge an incident are aged fifteen

1728
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: and sixteen, along with other teenagers. So other than the

1729
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: girlfriend of the person primarily thought responsible for the death

1730
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 2: of this young child, not one of these people could

1731
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 2: even legally buy or carry a gun. In fact, if

1732
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: we're talking about handguns, then not a single person, even

1733
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 2: involved in the shooting, could legally buy or carry one

1734
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 2: in the state of New Mexico, or in the case

1735
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: of the eleven year old, the shooter is actually still

1736
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 2: at large. We don't even know anything about them, or

1737
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: if the gun they carried was legal, or how it

1738
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: was obtained. They should be focusing on catching the killer

1739
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 2: instead of infringing on the rights of actually law abiding citizens.

1740
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: And it just strikes the core of what the gun

1741
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: first people always reach for. They're trying to paper over

1742
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: what is an obvious societal illness that runs so much

1743
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 2: deeper than guns. Teenagers are doing drive buys and people

1744
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: are killed in children in road rage accidents. That's what

1745
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: happens in a sick culture. And yes, you can say

1746
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: other countries have societal ills and they don't have shootings.

1747
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: You would be right, but don't forget in our country

1748
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: we do have an enshrined right to own and carry

1749
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: a gun if we so choose. In such a country

1750
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: with already hundreds of millions of gun in private ownership,

1751
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: that is just simply how it's going to go. That

1752
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: is not to say that we don't have a responsibility

1753
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: to each other, only we must understand and define the

1754
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 2: actual challenge we seek to address. In this case, it's

1755
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: clear crime was used to justify then an unconstitutional power grab,

1756
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 2: and it shows that people who are gun owners to

1757
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 2: what the real agenda is and always has been. I'm

1758
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 2: curious what you think of this, Crystal. I know you're

1759
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: supportive of some gun restrictions as well, but what did

1760
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: you make of the governor's order and then kind of

1761
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: what I was talking about in terms of the crime

1762
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 2: and paper over and we've had this discussion before.

1763
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of thoughts I have on it.

1764
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this is uncustomed, like it's just it goes

1765
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: way too far. But I take it a little bit

1766
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: of a different view because I was heartened to see

1767
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: that you had people who focus a lot on gun

1768
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: control or gun safety or how we want to put it,

1769
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: who were like, no, this is too far, and so,

1770
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, far from drawing the conclusion of like, oh,

1771
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: this is what the gun activists really want, I actually

1772
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: saw the limits of what most of the mainstream proponents

1773
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: of gun control, gun orform how you want to label it,

1774
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: where they actually want to go. So I took the

1775
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: opposite conclusion from that side. The other thing I would

1776
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: question you on is you said that this was, you know,

1777
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: evidence of the cult.

1778
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 3: Or the view or the ideology of safetyism.

1779
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: Do you see it the same way when it's Republicans

1780
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: using or pushing authoritarian tactics to deal with crime and

1781
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 1: law and order. Well, well, because because there's more there's

1782
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: more interest in or crime seems to be actually a

1783
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: hotter political issue on the right than it is on

1784
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: the left. So I'm curious if you see that same

1785
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: concern about like safety over everybody's rights being a problem

1786
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: when it comes from the right in their tactics.

1787
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,799
Speaker 2: Well, I think that at the very least, and luckily,

1788
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: we have a well defined civil liberties and Miranda rights

1789
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: that you know, defendants and criminals are actually like subjected to,

1790
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: So it's not like we don't have an adjudicated process.

1791
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: But I mean absolutely, I mean I don't support policies

1792
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 2: like coop and frisk or anything like that, for example.

1793
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people look, and you're

1794
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: not wrong. Many people are one hundred percent hypocrites whenever

1795
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: it comes to this issue. And in fact, like I'm

1796
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: an absolute defender of people's ability to walk the street

1797
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: and not be accosted by police or pretext for any

1798
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: of these ridiculous things for search and seizure that a

1799
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: lot of these cops have. So, I mean we've done

1800
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: plenty of stories on that here. They all hear it

1801
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 2: from me too, yeah, I mean you probably won't hear

1802
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: it from them. I mean, I just think we want

1803
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 2: to live in a society where look, if you're law abiding,

1804
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: if you have a gun, or if you're just walking

1805
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: down the street and happened to be black andron in

1806
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: the Bronx or something, you should be able to go

1807
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 2: about your business. I mean that's just my view personally.

1808
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because there was a lot of support among not

1809
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: only Republican lawmakers but the president of the United States

1810
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: at the time, a lot of you Republican like just

1811
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: regular rank and file people for like deploying the military

1812
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: when there were riots going on during George Floyd, and

1813
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that being framed as like safetyism, and

1814
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 1: there was less concern about the unconstitutional power grab nature

1815
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: of that direction coming for the right. So I actually

1816
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: am more accustomed to seeing authoritarian power grabs with regards

1817
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: to law and order and a sort of like lock

1818
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: them up. We got to crack down on crime above

1819
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: everything else. I'm more accustomed to seeing that from the right.

1820
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: This to me was like the liberal mirror image of

1821
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: some of those tactics that I certainly don't support.

1822
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: Coming I think you're right, and you know, I've actually

1823
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: thought a lot about that. I think that in that context,

1824
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why people were willing to go

1825
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 2: along with it was I think myself included was the

1826
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: idea that people's personal property was not being protected. And

1827
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 2: I think that I still believe that that was true.

1828
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: That said, I mean, I think I can look back

1829
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: on that and be like, yeah, that was It'd be

1830
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: a terrible precedent, specifically in a type of civil of

1831
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: civil unrest, and just to think about, you know, in

1832
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: terms of what we're actually trying to achieve and what

1833
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 2: we were trying to achieve at that time. And I

1834
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: think this is where the Floyd people got it totally wrong,

1835
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 2: and it uses a pretext for looting. A lot of

1836
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: cops and others, you know, basically stood by. But at

1837
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I do think it was

1838
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: a local responsibility and I don't think the FEDS should

1839
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: step in, you know, at that time, So I've thought

1840
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: about that a lot, you know, since then, and specifically

1841
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 2: also given what happened after January sixth, it was really

1842
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: just a complete vindication of the idea. It's like, look,

1843
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 2: when you get these people and they're going to take

1844
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 2: it all the way, yeah, and you just shouldn't get

1845
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: You should never give it to them in the first place.

1846
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing I'm curious about is, I think

1847
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: for people who live in these areas, and I looked

1848
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: up while you're talking, I looked up the Buquerque crime stats.

1849
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: Homicides are up seventy one percent from twenty seventeen to

1850
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. They did actually decline some in twenty

1851
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: twenty two from the height I think was in twenty

1852
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: twenty one. However, seventy one percent increase over that time period,

1853
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, people are still feeling like, yes, they're a danger,

1854
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: their kids aren't safe, et cetera. And I'm curious what

1855
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: the local reaction will be to her order, because we

1856
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: know when people are stressed and fear for their own

1857
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: safety and don't feel secure in their own environment, Unfortunately,

1858
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: too often they are willing to throw their rights or

1859
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: other people's rights aside for that sense of safety and protection.

1860
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: So while there was a lot of sort of national

1861
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: level condemnation, I'm actually curious how people there locally respond

1862
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: to the order and if they have the same reaction

1863
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: or if they have more of a like good at

1864
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: least somebody is doing something kind.

1865
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 2: Of curious too. But I mean, here's the thing, DC,

1866
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 2: where you and I are right now, we have the

1867
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: strictest gun laws in the country. Our homicide rate is

1868
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 2: actually not gone down at all. We have over one

1869
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: hundred percent increase in property crime and in genuine like

1870
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 2: gun death. So it's like it's not the gun laws. People.

1871
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: You know, you could you literally can.

1872
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 8: Oh yeah.

1873
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean but DC is like right in the middle,

1874
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: right next to Virginia, and you know, you can't expect

1875
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: just one locality to take to their gun laws to have it.

1876
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: I'm more what I'm saying is you can walk. And

1877
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 2: they do this all the time. I mean, listen, go

1878
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 2: look at the DC prison and look at the number

1879
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: one way that they throw people in jail gun charge.

1880
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: It will give you five years for a single bullet

1881
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: that you have wrong, Yeah that's in your pocket. I

1882
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 2: mean they use it as a pretext all the time.

1883
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: It's not doing anything. You know, if you if you're

1884
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: worried about homicide, people stop people here all the time now,

1885
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 2: as from what I've heard recently, in search their cars

1886
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 2: and others look for cuns, and that's one of the

1887
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: number one ways that they try and crack down on crime.

1888
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 2: We still have a huge homicide rate. Yeah's just one

1889
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: of those where it's like, it's clearly not going to

1890
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 2: do anything.

1891
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't say it won't do anything. I mean,

1892
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: in this instance, I actually grew. I doobt it will

1893
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: do anything, just because you're talking about in one little city, right,

1894
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: So you're not going to change the overall national culture

1895
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: of gun ownership by changing the rules or regulations in

1896
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: one particular city. I'm curious about what the public reaction

1897
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: will be to it. If there is a positive reaction,

1898
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 1: at least someone is trying to do something. And then overall,

1899
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you can deny that where

1900
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: we are an outlier is the number of guns that

1901
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 1: we have in our society and the ease of access

1902
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: and all of that. And I mean, in my mind,

1903
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that that plays into the level of

1904
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: violence that we have in our society versus other countries.

1905
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: But in terms of disorder, one hundred percent agree with you.

1906
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: Unconstitutional power grab, don't support it, don't think it will

1907
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: probably have much of an impact. Yeah, I don't even

1908
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: think it will have much of an impact because of

1909
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: some of the limitations that you're pointing out. But you know,

1910
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 1: it does raise for me some other questions about some

1911
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: of the approaches to law and order and tough on

1912
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: crime that seem to get more of a pass.

1913
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, what do you takeing a look at? Well?

1914
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: A recent AI news generation program at a major newspaper

1915
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: was pulled after publishing hilariously.

1916
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 3: Bizarre high school sports articles. Okay, here are the details.

1917
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: Gannette, which owns USA Today and whole slew of local papers,

1918
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 1: started using AI to generate local news stories and the

1919
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: results were amazingly bad. Here is a great example quote,

1920
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: Westerville North escapes Westerville Central in thin win in Ohio

1921
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: high school football action.

1922
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

1923
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Totally sounds like a human being wrote that, for sure.

1924
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: Please continue. The article goes on Westerville North edged Westerville

1925
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Central twenty one to twelve in a close encounter of

1926
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: the athletic kind at Westerville North High on August eighteenth

1927
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: in Ohio football action. The Warriors chalked up this decision

1928
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: in spite of the warhawks spirited fourth quarter performance. In

1929
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: a different story, AI failed to figure out what the

1930
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: school's mascots were, and they published the Worthington Christian winning

1931
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: team mascot defeated the Westerville North losing team mascot two

1932
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: to one in an Ohio boys soccer game on Saturday. Now,

1933
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: Gannette has since suspended this experiment, presumably leaving it to

1934
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: the actual human beings to try to report on future

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Speaker 1: thin winds and close encounters of the athletic kind. This

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Speaker 1: particular situation is of course an embarrassment both for Gannett,

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Speaker 1: which has fired a bunch of their employees over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of years as the news business and especially

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Speaker 1: the local news business has declined and become boor difficult,

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Speaker 1: and it is obviously embarrassing for the entire AI industry, which,

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Speaker 1: far from being ready to revolutionize the workforce or decimate

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Speaker 1: the workforce, can't even credibly publish the most basic information

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Speaker 1: about the most basic events without being utterly absurd, unreliable,

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Speaker 1: and inaccurate. So at least when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: drafting and publishing of news stories. I think the journals

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Speaker 1: for now can rest easy. Chat GPD is in any

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Speaker 1: more prepared to take over the news industry than autonomous

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Speaker 1: driving is prepared to take over taxi and truck driving.

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Speaker 1: So for now, I guess score one for humanity, But

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Speaker 1: the victory is honestly marginal because in another deeper sense,

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Speaker 1: the robots and their masters, they've already won a lot

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Speaker 1: in terms of how news is generated and how it's disseminated,

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Speaker 1: and we barely even notice the attack. What do I

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Speaker 1: mean here, Well, as you know, I'm a big proponent

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Speaker 1: of independent media as an antidote to corporate legacy media.

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Speaker 1: But the further we get into this new era, which

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Speaker 1: is in many ways exciting and continues to hold deep promise,

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Speaker 1: the more I see the limitations of what independent actually means.

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Speaker 1: Because while individual creators can break free from the constraints

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Speaker 1: of giant, corporate, profit driven news conglomerate conglomerates, they're still

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Speaker 1: beholden to the incentives created by the tech giants on

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Speaker 1: which they depend. And probably the most powerful force in

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Speaker 1: independent news generation is YouTube's algorithm.

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Speaker 2: We all live or.

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Speaker 3: Die by it.

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Speaker 1: Its whims, preferences, amplifications, and punishments have created the independent

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Speaker 1: news ecosystem as we know it. Individual creators can try

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Speaker 1: to resist its siren song. We have intentionally tried to

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Speaker 1: algorithm proof and big tech proof our business here at

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Speaker 1: breaking points, but it's like one person trying to stand

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Speaker 1: up to a force of nature. The overall landscape is

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Speaker 1: going to be shaped and built by the big tech

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Speaker 1: AI reward system. And it's not just on the creator side.

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Speaker 1: These robots are also so shaping your brain, messing with

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Speaker 1: your view of the world, driving you towards certain content

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Speaker 1: and away from others. On Facebook, whistleblower revealed how the

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Speaker 1: platform's algorithm rewarded anger emojis at five times the weight

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Speaker 1: of likes, aggressively pushing highly emotional content into user feeds. Facebook,

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Speaker 1: like other platforms, cares more about how long you spend

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Speaker 1: on the platform, being served ads and having your data

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Speaker 1: harvested than how much you're actually enjoying that time, or

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Speaker 1: whether the quality of your experience is good or bad.

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Speaker 1: They also use their user base like guinea pigs, conducting

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Speaker 1: social experiments, attempting explicitly to manipulate user emotions, and even

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Speaker 1: to push them to become closer friends with some in

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Speaker 1: their networks over others creepy stuff that we have little

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Speaker 1: awareness of and even less say. Over, Twitter under Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: has used the for you page to aggressively push certain

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Speaker 1: content and hide other content. But unlike the other platforms

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Speaker 1: must Twitter has opted to make their biggest content decisions

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Speaker 1: based on the personal whims and preferences of their sovereign

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Speaker 1: Lord Elon, who can bless their punish creators based on

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Speaker 1: his own ego and worldview. In a sense, I actually

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Speaker 1: appreciate the blatant nature of Elon's approach. He strips some

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Speaker 1: of the AI mistique away and just makes it super

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Speaker 1: clear the way that our oligarchs are screwing with us

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Speaker 1: every day.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 1: On its surface, our universe of multi platform news looks independent,

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Speaker 1: like individual humans making individual decisions and listen. There is

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Speaker 1: a lot of that going on at the micro level,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of fantastic creators out there. But at

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Speaker 1: the macro level, it is a garden of creators and

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Speaker 1: content cultivated, tilled, and pruned by robots. Human beings unaware

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Speaker 1: how they're being programmed by machines who have in turn

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Speaker 1: been programmed by tech giants to drive their own profits

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Speaker 1: or corporate agendas. So before the chatbots and deep freaks

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Speaker 1: have even really joined the war, humanity has already lost

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Speaker 1: one war that it was being waged in secret under

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Speaker 1: the cloak of the supposedly free market, where they declared

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Speaker 1: victory before we even really caught on to what was

2012
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Speaker 1: happening for this next battle that we're facing now, at

2013
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Speaker 1: least the tech for now it's clunky enough that we

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Speaker 1: can all see what the bosses robots are up to

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Speaker 1: a close encounter of the oligarchic kind. I guess you

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Speaker 1: could say it did really get me thinking.

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2021
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