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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by Fox One. This is episode two nine zero. My

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Speaker 1: name is Brad Rowland and I'm joined today my good friend,

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Speaker 1: my frequents, I would say almost always co host. His

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Speaker 1: name is Scott Coleman. Scott, how are you, my friend? Hello, Brad,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, man.

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Speaker 2: This has been a really fun World series to watch

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Speaker 2: as a baseball fan. I'm sure most of our listeners

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Speaker 2: and viewers are watching the World Series. I'm sure some

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Speaker 2: once the Braves are out kind of say screw you, Baseball.

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Speaker 2: I'll pick you back up in March. Hopefully they still

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Speaker 2: tune into our show throughout the winter because we do

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Speaker 2: not go away. But great World series so far are

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Speaker 2: credit to the Blue Jays. Those dudes are just fighting

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Speaker 2: and throwing. Every time the Dodgers throw a punch, the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays throw a counter punch and hit even harder.

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Speaker 2: And they have injuries too, Toronto does. And it's been

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Speaker 2: a really fun series so far. And hopefully Toronto can

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Speaker 2: close it out in Game six or Game seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll probably talk about that at the very

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Speaker 1: end of the show as well, because we are in

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Speaker 1: that dead period today. Is the off day between Game

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Speaker 1: five and Game six and the World Series of We're

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Speaker 1: recording this podcast on Thursday evening you just said it

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Speaker 1: by I'm reminded to say now that we are Hamber Territory.

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Speaker 1: We cover the Braves all year round. We are part

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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory network of podcasts, and you definitely

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Speaker 1: now for YouTube subscribers, even if you're an audio listener

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast on YouTube and vice versa if

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Speaker 1: you're a YouTube watcher. On the audio side, there's plenty

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Speaker 1: to discuss. No major Braves news to at the top

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Speaker 1: right now. It's kind of that period where don't expect

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Speaker 1: major Braves news. There is a manager year old decision

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Speaker 1: in the second. But also I just want to say this,

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Speaker 1: like the off season is going to begin in official

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Speaker 1: I know if you're a Braves only observer, it began

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Speaker 1: that if you want to be less literal about it.

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Speaker 1: But the World Series will end either Friday or Saturday.

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Speaker 1: That is the longest it can go with Saturday, and

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Speaker 1: five days after that is when the fun begins of

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Speaker 1: the off season. That is the deadline if you don't

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Speaker 1: know this, five days after the World Series, where free

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Speaker 1: agents are eligible to sign anywhere they want to at

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Speaker 1: five f at Eastern time. They don't always do that,

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Speaker 1: as Scott's rant will probably come momentarily about that as

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Speaker 1: he always as he always delivers, but also the deadlines

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Speaker 1: for club options player options a Lah Hassan Kim is

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Speaker 1: the big one for the Braves this year. The dubline

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Speaker 1: also for qualify oppositions, which the prison will be happenny

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Speaker 1: not quite, but it's like nine We're almost there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously Hassong Kim is the big one.

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Speaker 2: There's also kind of this period where teams can negotiate

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Speaker 2: Braves could use a closer next year, could see that happening.

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Speaker 1: On the dotted line.

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Speaker 2: And I mean Jesus Alex could check off shortstop before

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Speaker 2: the offseason even begins. That would be really nice, so

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Speaker 1: Right, and we'll hit on some freak and stuff. Actually,

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Speaker 1: This week, the Nationals hired a manager who is younger

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Speaker 1: than me. I think he's even younger than you. Thirty

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Speaker 1: Nationals now and our guy Jeff Passion and your guy

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Speaker 1: That's a crazy hire. Doesn't mean it won't work. I

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Speaker 2: Washington has some young talented players, but I think there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the argument for that job. You just

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Speaker 2: guarantee that it's going to be Danny Layman, but conventional

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Speaker 2: is the new head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. There's

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Speaker 2: conventional wisdom here to say it might be Danny Layman.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me too, that about a week ago,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think two things could be true. The signs

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Speaker 1: I would not assign that. Maybe it would be that way. Look,

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Speaker 1: based on what I have heard and what I've seen,

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Speaker 1: what I've read, my projection would be Danny Lamb. If

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Speaker 1: be the name that I would give you, Scott. But

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Speaker 1: So like, I don't know, it's the internet. It is

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Speaker 1: the word I will use, Alex is not like to

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Speaker 1: the Braves won't necessarily leak to their local beat writers

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott. Interesting free agent projections came out this week.

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Speaker 1: and Zach Gallon all are projected to get like one

431
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five million or more in total dollars,

432
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Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. Man. Like none of those

433
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Speaker 1: guys I would describe as like a full blown ACE,

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Speaker 1: Like maybe they're number ones on some teams, but like

435
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Speaker 1: ACE is the different tier above that, like the top

436
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Speaker 1: fifteen guys in the league kind of tier. I wouldn't

437
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Speaker 1: go there necessarily, on those guys, maybe a couple of

438
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Speaker 1: them have gotten there at times. Dylan Cees is really good,

439
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Speaker 1: but I don't know how he's not Paul Skin's, like,

440
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Speaker 1: he's not even Chris Sale, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So Dylan Sees is right handed Blake Snell, where when

442
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Speaker 2: he is on he is maybe a top five pitcher

443
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Speaker 2: in the game, and then he just has nights where

444
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Speaker 2: he is getting torpedoed all over the place and gives

445
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Speaker 2: up a lot of fly balls.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean.

447
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Speaker 2: It's this is a pretty deep pitching blast, Brad. And

448
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Speaker 2: you know it's also it's funny. Why you know, we

449
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 2: talked about like Sonny Gray, who the Braves could trade for,

450
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Speaker 2: and then you're only on the hook for one or

451
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Speaker 2: maybe two years of Gray. That's part of the appeal,

452
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Speaker 2: yes versus yeah, Like you know, Alex, like Alex has

453
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Speaker 2: never given out a deal like this for a picture

454
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Speaker 2: or anything close. Like I mean, I'll just the top one, two, three, four, five,

455
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Speaker 2: even I think maybe the top six or seven pitchers

456
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Speaker 2: and for agency this year are projected by this projection.

457
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Speaker 2: It's one projection to get a bigger deal than Alex

458
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Speaker 2: is ever given to a picture at any point. Now

459
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Speaker 2: currently it's the Strider deal as far as length, but

460
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Speaker 2: that was that was an extension. That was he had,

461
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Speaker 2: he had time left and all these things. That's a different,

462
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Speaker 2: different situation. Sale like, yeah, he'll he'll extend.

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Speaker 1: A guy for a year, like he did with Morton,

464
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Speaker 1: like he did with Sale at that kind of number,

465
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Speaker 1: but not given out a fresh five six year deal.

466
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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll do it at some point, but he has

467
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Speaker 1: it yet. I thought it was interesting. I was gonna

468
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Speaker 1: ask you about the pitching side, because what thing you

469
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Speaker 1: and I have agreed on on this show is that

470
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Speaker 1: the Braves do need another starting picture that's like a

471
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Speaker 1: real guy. That's a belief that we have. But also

472
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Speaker 1: I think Boden might agree because it's part of the

473
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Speaker 1: player of projections. In this piece, he gave like a

474
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Speaker 1: list of teams, not just one team. It was like, hey,

475
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Speaker 1: here are the contenders, and the Braves were listed for

476
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Speaker 1: almost all the pictures, like all almost all the good pictures,

477
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Speaker 1: not as the first team that was listed, but like

478
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Speaker 1: the third or fourth team, and every single guy, including Baldez,

479
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Speaker 1: including cs including Suarez. What do you make of that? Like,

480
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Speaker 1: is there any even in your brain can you see

481
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Speaker 1: alex Enthoflis giving out the kind of deal that it

482
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Speaker 1: would take to get Framer Valdez, Like, I kind of don't,

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Speaker 1: but maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's a good question and funny enough. You know, we

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Speaker 2: had if folks missed it, we had CJ nik Kowski,

486
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Speaker 2: the Braves television analyst, on the show a couple of

487
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Speaker 2: days ago.

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Speaker 1: And hey, by the way, great show. I wasn't on it.

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Speaker 1: You did a great job. Shots at CJ as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, CJ's great guy, was very generous with his time,

491
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Speaker 2: really pit him coming on the show. But CJ was

492
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Speaker 2: talking and he felt wholeheartedly the Braves need to add

493
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Speaker 2: a starting pitcher to this rotation for depth, to get

494
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Speaker 2: through one hundred and sixty two games and then get

495
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Speaker 2: to the World Series and make a deep run. And

496
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Speaker 2: you know, we saw it with the Braves in twenty one.

497
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Speaker 2: They had two healthy starters who were firing the ball

498
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Speaker 2: really well, Charlie Morton and Max Freed, and they kind

499
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Speaker 2: of pieced it.

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Speaker 1: Together around them.

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Speaker 2: Even the Blue Jays this year, you know, like they're

502
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Speaker 2: big underdogs against LA, but they have Gosman throwing the

503
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Speaker 2: ball really well. They have the Savage throwing the ball

504
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Speaker 2: really well, and then Shane Bieber and Shurezer have been fine.

505
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Speaker 2: You don't need eight good starting pitchers in October, but

506
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Speaker 2: you do need eight starting pitchers from April to the

507
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Speaker 2: end of right to get there. That being said, do

508
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Speaker 2: I think Dylan sees that six years and one hundred

509
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Speaker 2: and ninety million dollars is going to be a brave

510
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Speaker 2: Probably not. I do think.

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Speaker 1: Funny enough, this was CJ.

512
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Speaker 2: Nikowski's top offseason pick for the Braves was Ranger Suarez.

513
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Speaker 2: If war is getting six years in one hundred and

514
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: sixty four million, give or take, that's something I could

515
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Speaker 2: maybe see. That's kind of in the comfort level of

516
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Speaker 2: years and dollars. Again, I'm not saying it's going to happen,

517
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Speaker 2: but I could see it.

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Speaker 1: Truthfully.

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Speaker 2: Of this list of all these starters, I think more

520
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Speaker 2: of like the Shane Bieber three years at seventy five million,

521
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: at that kind of twenty to twenty five million dollar

522
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Speaker 2: range that Alex likes to operate in. I could see that.

523
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Speaker 2: I could see Michael King, if his medicals on his

524
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Speaker 2: shoulder are clean, three years or seventy five million. Is

525
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Speaker 2: interesting because if King would have been a free agent

526
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Speaker 2: a year ago, he's probably getting double that contract, and

527
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Speaker 2: we have seen him be really good. He'd be up

528
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Speaker 2: there with those other guys, like with the Gallon Suarez

529
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Speaker 2: kind of level, like he's he's quite good. And we

530
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Speaker 2: talked about I'm not sure he's a trade Canada a

531
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Speaker 2: year ago on this podcast. I mean, yeah, I'm with you.

532
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably more of the Alex tier based

533
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Speaker 2: on history, even the tier below that of Bassett, Merrill, Kelly,

534
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Speaker 2: Tyler Mallley, Like that's kind of probably more of the

535
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Speaker 2: Alex tier because maybe those guys are available for like

536
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Speaker 2: a two year deal or a one year deal, and

537
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Alex likes a short deal like that. But yeah, I'm

538
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Speaker 2: not saying it's impossible to believe that one of those

539
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Speaker 2: five six year deals gets done.

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Speaker 1: I'm just in the mindset of, like I gotta see it.

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Speaker 1: I gotta see Alex give out a five year deal

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Speaker 1: to a starting pitcher before I believe he'll ever do it,

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Speaker 1: Like I I think he's He's never said, he's never

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Speaker 1: ruled it out, but I think there is a like

545
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Speaker 1: barrier in his mind, like I do not want to

546
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Speaker 1: give out a deal like that, and I don't wave honestly,

547
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Speaker 1: like I've gotta go one Bred.

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Speaker 2: You used Spencer Schreider's contract a minute ago. That's why

549
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: now Streider had control in the first couple of years

550
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Speaker 2: in that contract are very cheap. But think about it,

551
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Speaker 2: the Braves give Strider this contract. He was awesome, then

552
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Speaker 2: he blows out his elbow, misses an entire year, and

553
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Speaker 2: then the next year he was very Jekyll and Hide

554
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Speaker 2: and couldn't get healthy. At the start of the year

555
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Speaker 2: for a couple of reasons.

556
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Speaker 1: Was good and then bad.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you give six seven years to a

558
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Speaker 2: starting pitcher man like that, that is the risk that

559
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Speaker 2: you take.

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Speaker 1: And at least with Strider, the.

561
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Speaker 2: Cheap years were kind of built into the front end.

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Speaker 1: There's no cheap years.

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Speaker 2: If you want Dylan C's and you give him a

564
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Speaker 2: six year contract and he blows out his elbow in

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Speaker 2: year two and then he's just not very good in

566
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Speaker 2: year three. All of a sudden, you've kind of burned

567
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Speaker 2: all that money in the first couple of seasons, and

568
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Speaker 2: you're holding your breath that he's able to figure it

569
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Speaker 2: out on the back end of that contract. That is

570
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Speaker 2: the calculus for every team. And I am not saying

571
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Speaker 2: the Braves should not go out and spend money and

572
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Speaker 2: add a true impact starter, because that'd be a pretty

573
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Speaker 2: sick rotation if you add one of those guys to

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Speaker 2: Strider and Schwellenbach and Sale. I mean, that could be

575
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Speaker 2: the best rotation in baseball next year. But I do

576
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Speaker 2: understand why Alex has been so hesitant to give out

577
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Speaker 2: a mega contract to pitchers, especially Yep.

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Speaker 1: I believe that all of that is very reasonable. The

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Speaker 1: other big thing that we want to talk about all

580
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Speaker 1: the players I recommend was reading this. By the way,

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Speaker 1: check out this on the Athletic and also just as

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Speaker 1: a reset, we are hamoritaris represented by Fox one because

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Speaker 1: you're joining us if you're for a lab right now

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Speaker 1: wherever you may be, thanks for listening to the podcast.

585
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Speaker 1: As always, shortstops the other spot, of course, everyone's talking about.

586
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Speaker 1: We won't break new ground on Hassan Kim today. I

587
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's been a discussion for the last few

588
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Speaker 1: weeks and really a couple of months now. Boba Chet's

589
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: projection is seven years for one eighty nine and he

590
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: is in a shortstop in my humble opinion, so that's

591
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Speaker 1: gonna bean no for me. Dog, but the one that

592
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: really you and I were laughing about this offline. A

593
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Speaker 1: lot of these projections seem high. Hassan Kim's projection seems

594
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Speaker 1: quite low to me. Uh, it's three years and thirty

595
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: nine million for Hassan Kim. Now, I'm not saying that's

596
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: that's not a crazy, crazy, crazy low price. I just

597
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Speaker 1: think that he probably would get more than that. That's

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Speaker 1: my guess. And I wrote this. I wrote this in

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Speaker 1: our notes. I'll just say it out loud. I wrote

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Speaker 1: in big ball letters. Call this in right now if

601
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Speaker 1: it's available, if you're the Braves, because look, if they

602
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Speaker 1: annus three for thirty nine right now, I would be

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Speaker 1: very very happy right now. Even if he's not a

604
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Speaker 1: star player, he's not an elite guy. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: any of that. But three for thirty nine, I sign

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00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: me up. I will, I will walk down to I

607
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: will physically walk from here. I probably it's like ten miles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll walk it over to the offices by the ballpark. Sure,

609
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: happy to do that. Whatever you need to do, Alex,

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Speaker 1: three for thirty nine. I'll see in a few hours.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny and I am fascinated to see

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Speaker 2: what kind of contract projection that Hassan Kim gets from

613
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Speaker 2: Van Grafts and MLB trade rumors. I think ESPN. ESPN

614
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: also does it. And yes, I think three years and

615
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: thirty nine million for Hassan Kim is low. That being said,

616
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Speaker 2: and I was tweeting about this today, and we will

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Speaker 2: not talk about Kim again for another four hours on

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Speaker 2: this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We will not not today.

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Speaker 2: But I continue to see people whose whose opinions I value,

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Speaker 2: and I think they're very sharp minds. But I keep

622
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Speaker 2: seeing people go, well, hass On Kim, I get five

623
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Speaker 2: years and one hundred million dollars. Me personally, I can't

624
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: get there for Kim, and I know that means that

625
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: Alex would have to scramble and figure out something else

626
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: at shortstop. But Kim is a good player, do not

627
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: get me wrong. And I want him with the Braves.

628
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: He is by far and away the cleanest, easiest way

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Speaker 2: to improve this position. He's thirty years old. I know

630
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Speaker 2: he was bad or not great in twenty five because

631
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Speaker 2: he had the shoulder surgery. But I really think that

632
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: Kim is a better player than he's shown. But he's

633
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Speaker 2: also not a superstar like there has to be a

634
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: limit on what the Braves would be willing to give him.

635
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Speaker 2: I sincerely hope that Kim's market does not turn into

636
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: a looney tune situation where teams are offering him five

637
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: year deals, six year deals, twenty five million dollars a

638
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: year that for me, in good conscious I would not

639
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: come on this podcast and lament Alex Enthopolis not going

640
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: there Like there's contracts in the past that have been signed.

641
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn Alex, But where worry you man? Like

642
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: that that's a good deal. If it gets crazy and

643
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: we don't know that it's going to get crazy, the

644
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: unhass on Kim. He is not a player or a

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Speaker 2: talented enough player for me to just say, blank check Brad,

646
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: whatever it takes bring this guy back.

647
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think it's just

648
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: just to say the exact same game we just did

649
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: about three thirty nine. If it's five one hundred, my

650
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: reaction would not be a positive one. I wouldn't think

651
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: it was like completely unhinged, like F minus minus. But

652
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I also would be like I would have done that, honestly. Yeah, Now,

653
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: twenty million a year for a shorter deal, I am

654
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: more open to because even if you don't think he's

655
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: twenty nine dollars player, there is some inherent value in

656
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: having the average annual value go up if the years

657
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: come down. Yeah, Like, if it's three for sixty, I'm

658
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: actually totally fine with that, to be honest with you,

659
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: that's probably like on the richer side from what I

660
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: would want to do, But that would be totally fun

661
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: with me because it's a year's not dollars situation. Given

662
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: his age. He's not he's not over the hill, but like,

663
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to be talking about thirty five rojas

664
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: On Kim at twenty something million dollars per year, and

665
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe he'll still be that good, but the project the

666
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: likelihood of that is a lot lower than thirty two

667
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: year old Hassan Kim. By the way, playing shortstop, where

668
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: the Braves continue to message with years and years and

669
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: years that they value defense at that spot. Defense age

670
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: is poorly generally speaking, not for everybody, but most for

671
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: most of the time, that's what goes what you can

672
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: hit longer than you can feel, than you can field

673
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: your position at the premium spots. So yeah, if it's

674
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: two for forty five, like actually would probably do that,

675
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but five for one hundred

676
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: is different than that, even if it's.

677
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a hot take. But you know, if you said,

678
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: all right, Hassan Kim, he's going to sign with Atlanta,

679
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: you could do a three year deal for sixty million,

680
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: or you could do a four year deal for seventy

681
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: million seventy two million, I would almost take the three

682
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: year deal, so you're off that contract when he's a

683
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: little bit younger. I mean that's again, at the end

684
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: of the day, I want Kim in Atlanta. I don't

685
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: personally think he's going to get an insane contract. But

686
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: all it takes is one team to jack up the

687
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: bidding and all of a sudden.

688
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: It's like, man alive.

689
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: Can we really commit one hundred million bucks to thirty

690
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: year old Hassan Kim coming off a serious shoulder surgery

691
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: a year ago?

692
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

693
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a line in the sand, and hopefully

694
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: we don't get to that point.

695
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And but just to say this out loud,

696
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: the situation the Braves are in where we've talked and

697
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: not just to us, everyone's talked about this, about the

698
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: shortstop market being very barren. Like if it's not Bobashett

699
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: and Trevor Story does knocked out, it's hass On Kim

700
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: and that's it, man. So like that is the kind

701
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: of situation where the bidding war can get silly if

702
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: teams get reckless, which is why we're throwing it out

703
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: there as a possibility. Any if there were four guys

704
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: like Hassan Kim, I don't think the market would get

705
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: out of hand. But when you're only when you're the

706
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: only guy and everyone knows it, that's when and by

707
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: the way, your agent Scott Boris, you know, could get

708
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: out of control. And I do think Alex has shown

709
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: that he'll walk away even to the even to the

710
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: frustration of Braves fans who especially anti Alex Brace fans

711
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: that would just hate that he will not go above

712
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: where he's supposed to go in his mind. But he's

713
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: shown that so for better work. So I think he

714
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: would walk away if he needed to quickly on this,

715
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: and we'll move on the Braves guys on this projection.

716
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Iglesias was two years and twenty four million and Ozuna

717
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: was one year and twelve million. I Uh, you're making

718
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: a face which is funny. I'll let you go first.

719
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 1: What was your reactions to those two projections.

720
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: I would say yes to ricell Iglesias two years, twenty

721
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: four million. I would say no, thanks on Ozuna one

722
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: year and twelve million dollars.

723
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think if they gave Azuna

724
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: that deal, I would be very happy with that deal,

725
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: because if you're paying in twelve million dollars, he has

726
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: to play every day, and I don't think should play

727
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: every day.

728
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: You can find a better, more impactful player for twelve

729
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: million dollars, either in free agency or on trade.

730
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I agree, uh, Aglesias, that's it's like what he should cost. Like,

731
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: it's not a bargain. I think that he was really

732
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: good last year. And this will come up i'm sure

733
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: later on in our winter, but I think that's like

734
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: what he should get, like in that range. So that

735
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: would that wouldn't be a deal with I'd be celebrating

736
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: in the streets, but I would be like, all right,

737
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: that sounds about right for what he is. He's still good.

738
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: I know there was a rough patch early last season,

739
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: but he was awesome Nomstratch and that's what relievers get

740
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: like that is also in comparison to the other believers

741
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: on this list, like Robert Swarez got four for eighty projection.

742
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: The gap between Robert Suarez and and at Glacis is

743
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: not that big, man, I promise it's not. Yeah, so

744
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: I was a hunter out of one hundred those two contracts.

745
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean true.

746
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: I like Robert Schwarrez a lot. The Padres closures really hard,

747
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: good closure. But yeah, I mean you said it perfectly.

748
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: If my choice is four and eighty million to Suarez

749
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: or two and twenty four to Iglacias or you know,

750
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: one for fifteen with a club option, I mean I

751
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: would take a Glacias all day long. The gap between

752
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: those players is not that wide.

753
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: We definitely agree on that, Scott. Anything else you want

754
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: to add about this projection, Again, it's one projection. There'll

755
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: be more fangrafts ESPN, MLBTR they're all coming out and

756
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: we won't we won't always deep dive into them, but

757
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: this is the first one. So it was like, all right,

758
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it a little bit. Anything else you

759
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: want to get to. If not, we can move on.

760
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's fun to talk about and see and truthfully,

761
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: but Brad, probably the best exercise is taking the athletic

762
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: MLB trade rumors, fangrafts, ESPN, drop the projections into an

763
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: Excel sheet and average them out, and that's probably what

764
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: the ultimate outcome is going to be. Players beat their

765
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: players beat their projections. Players come in lower than their

766
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: projections because they don't have a market. It's you know,

767
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: it's going to be fascinating.

768
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: It absolutely will be fascinating for sure. All Right. In

769
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: a second, we'll talk about one more award that came

770
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: out this week and some news around that player who

771
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: won that award, plus a final World Series check in

772
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: and more after a word from partners.

773
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:05,520
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774
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,920
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775
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,400
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776
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Nah?

777
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: Right, you got one that's worth something, Now send it

778
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: in for grading. I mean, the list goes on and

779
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,520
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780
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,319
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781
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782
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783
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784
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,920
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785
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,280
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786
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,880
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787
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 5: I think that's what people miss nowadays, the experience, the

788
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 5: excitement of getting a new card. You never know what

789
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 5: you're going to get, an autograph card, anything you could

790
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,280
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791
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,520
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792
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,080
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793
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: what gets Todd father so excited when he gets that

794
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
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795
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, we are back up, by the way.

796
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: We are Hammord Territory presented by Fox One. Ronaldalquon Jr.

797
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: Was at least minor ly in the news this week.

798
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: Word broke. There was multiple reports that he's gonna be

799
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: cleared now and approved by the Braves to play winter

800
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: ball in Venezuela. So we'll do that first. Do you

801
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: have a response to that happening, because obviously Ronalcoon Junior

802
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: is at the level where he doesn't quote unquote need

803
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: to play winter ball. He'll do whatever he wants to do.

804
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: But that made some news so and got some reaction.

805
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, anything with Ronni gets reactions. For whatever reason,

806
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: people were melting down. What did you think about this?

807
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: I love how much Ronald Lacunya Junior loves baseball. I

808
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: will be holding my breath for every time mcunya goes

809
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: out there. Just hold your breath and hope and that

810
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: he's smart out there. I don't want him stealing bases

811
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: if there's a ball in the gap, I do not

812
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: want Acunya going, you know, haul and ask the right

813
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 2: center field trying to dive for a ball. But hey,

814
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: he loves the game. He has friends down there of

815
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 2: course who play as well. As long as he's being

816
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: smart and the doctors have fully cleared him, great, have

817
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: a good time, but.

818
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: Dear God, please stay healthy. I actually have evolved on

819
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. Like when I was younger, before

820
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: I worked in the industry in sports media, I was

821
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: someone who was like I would have probably not liked

822
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: this very much, Like there were NBA was kind of

823
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: the same thing. Like I covered the NBA even more

824
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: than baseball, and it's like, you know, players playing playing

825
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: in the Olympics or playing national team, and it's like, man,

826
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do that if I'm if

827
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm the team, I wouldn't love that, And now I do.

828
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: What I really think of, what I always hear is

829
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: that these guys are gonna play no matter what. Like

830
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: ron Akunya may not be playing in like a big

831
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: time event, but he'll be playing baseball somewhere this winter.

832
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: He can't stop playing baseball. He'll always hit, he'll always

833
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: do it. Same thing in the NBA. Guys want to play.

834
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Like I know for a fact, guys are playing pickup

835
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: basketball all summer long. So is the risk much greater

836
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: than playing in a summer league game or playing in

837
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: a Olympic qualifying game than it is in a pickup game? Like, No,

838
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: it really is. These guys want to play, and it

839
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: is what it is. So yeah, I'm with you, hold

840
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: your breath. I get it. But like I also still

841
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: think at the same time, all the times that the

842
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: runner will be playing baseball that we won't see, that

843
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: we can't watch, and it's like you can't hold your

844
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: throw all that either. So he'll play and it'll be

845
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: fine and hopefully it won't be a big deal. But

846
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: I saw some meltdowns and I thought I thought it

847
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: was funny, but then also get frustrating and it's like, guys,

848
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: everything with ronaldccuone is not a conspiracy like he's he

849
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: just likes it. He likes baseball. You said it. He

850
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: just loves baseball. He wants to play.

851
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: It's fine and a nice recognition for Acuna to get

852
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: the Player's Choice Awards, a Player Comeback of the Comeback

853
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: Player of the Year. Of course, god willing. Let's keep

854
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: Ronald healthy.

855
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no more, No more comebacks would be good. All

856
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: set with comebacks.

857
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: He's won two dollars now, yeah. Hey, and you know what,

858
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: maybe man, it's funny, Brett we and we always talk

859
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: on this show about, Hey, the Braves need to add

860
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: this player, they need to add that player.

861
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: You know what.

862
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: The one thing the Braves can have happened next year

863
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: that would improve them more than any player they can

864
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: probably add this offseason is getting good, healthy seasons from

865
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: their stars. Having Ronald Acunya Junior in the lineup for

866
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty games, having a healthy and mashing

867
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: Austin Riley, having Michael Harris come back to his form

868
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: that he was his first couple of years, have Ozzie

869
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: Albis be healthy, have the pitching staff be healthy again.

870
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: That's not a crutch. I'm not saying the Braves don't

871
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: need to do anything and they can just rely on

872
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: bounce backs. But let's get Ronald healthy and firing and

873
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: have another MVP kind of season in twenty twenty six.

874
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: Right, there is no player that can acquire that is

875
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: even eighty percent of rondic, you and Jr. Because the

876
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Braves are not going to sign Kyle Tucker. He's the

877
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: only he's the only guy available in free agency that

878
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: is near the Acunya level. And the projection on Kyle

879
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Tucker in the athletic was ten years and four hundred

880
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: and twenty seven million dollars. I can pretty much guarantee

881
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: that that will be the Braves. So live on the pod, Brad.

882
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: I would like to bet you five dollars on who

883
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: is going to sign Kyle Tucker for an insane amount

884
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: of money?

885
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Do I get the Dodgers? Otherwise I don't want to

886
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to play. I don't get no.

887
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: I was gonna say I'll take Dodgers, I'll give you

888
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 2: the field five dollars, but I think.

889
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: You would come out. We can do that, but I'm

890
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna lose. I think that's fine. We canna have a friendly,

891
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: friendly podcast wager. But no, again, your point's right. Ronnie's

892
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: upside if he can play one hundred and forty five games,

893
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: he can be an eight win player even doing that, Like,

894
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: he's that kind of guy. He's that kind of monster.

895
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: And hopefully he's good to go and normal come back

896
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: with as cool if you want it. He did come

897
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: back and played well last year, normal comebacks. Ronnie, just

898
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: just playing baseball, all right, Scott. Before we get out

899
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: of here, a brief World Series check in. Do you

900
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: want to sound the alarm now? If you're a Braves

901
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: only person, will normal risk talk on this podcast? Would

902
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: you say that out loud? I people don't get met us.

903
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: So we'll just we'll sound the alarm now. And this

904
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: guy has something else to add about the Braves. This

905
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: won't be long either. It's just it's the World Series, man,

906
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: two games left, it's baseball. It's massive news. Go Blue Jays.

907
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: That's that's got's the entire thought. Uh quickly though, our

908
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: friends with DraftKings actually have the Blue Jays favored favored

909
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: favored there minus two forty. That's a big number. Now.

910
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Granted they lead three too, and they're going home. So

911
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: that makes sense that they're favored now. But you and

912
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I talked about this beforethand series, Like there was this

913
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: thought there were this massive under underdog. I don't I

914
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: never really saw that they were the underdog. Certainly I

915
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: thought coming into a series, but I never really saw that.

916
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: It's baseball and they're really good. They have a top

917
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: five pay roll. It's a good team. Uh, we should

918
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: at least talk about I talk about with CJ. The

919
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: eighteen inning game in Game three was just ridiculous. But

920
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: to lose that game my biggest thame with the Blue

921
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: Jays right now. To lose that game on the road,

922
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: come back the next two days and win convincingly the

923
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: next two days was super resilient and impressive to me,

924
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: Like I was like, wow, I mean, I know, what's

925
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: the World Series is. Obviously everything's impressive when it goes on.

926
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: But like, man, if you I thought they were in

927
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: trouble after Game three, like you lose that game and

928
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: that way in that ballpark, you got two more there,

929
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this might be over about somebody can

930
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: go back to Toronto. Nope, they're gonna win the next

931
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: two like pretty impressively too.

932
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: Toronto is an impressive baseball team. Brat and you know,

933
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: I think in October we get narrative Street with with

934
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: teams and lineups at all. They got a bunch of

935
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: dogs in that lineup.

936
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: They just fight. They they're clutch. I have it so much.

937
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: Listen, get the Phillies had a team of nothing but

938
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: dogs and then after that two year run, I mean

939
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: they've been awful. Phillies have been you know where, turned

940
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: into cats. I mean they're not They're not dogs anymore

941
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: in Philly. But uh yeah, the Blue Jays, they're so impressive.

942
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: Anytime the Dodgers strike, that feels like Toronto is fighting

943
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: right back. And we said it off the top of

944
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, Springer is banged up, the sheet is playing

945
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: on one knee. They have like two starters and a

946
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: bullpen that is not exactly super deep and loaded with

947
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: big names. Like credit to Toronto. They have absolutely deserved this

948
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: and I hope that they're going to have a chance

949
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: to win it in front of their fans. I mean

950
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Toronto might burn down. I mean that's a that is

951
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: a passionate sports town that has been deprived of championships

952
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: for a while. In the Big sports. Uh, did did

953
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: the Raptors win a basketball championship?

954
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: I know you're a die hard Raptors fan, but yes,

955
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: they did win in twenty nineteen, So okay, Well.

956
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: They haven't won in hockey and forever. They haven't won

957
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: in baseball and forever. I don't know how many die

958
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: hard Raptor fans there are. Sorry, if you're you're tuning

959
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: into a Brave show.

960
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: There actually are a lot like it. They're probably listening

961
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: to us that which is fair you go, but yeah, no,

962
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like we just have once at night

963
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: since ninety three. That's a long time, as Brais fans know,

964
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: that's a long time to go without go between that

965
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: they're been longer than the Braves were. Uh and the

966
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: ba the Leafs are, Man, that's a different subject that

967
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: the Leafs are maybe cursed. One more thing at the

968
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: end Halloween Night game six Yeah in Toronto. By the way,

969
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: it's on the air for our friends at Fox one

970
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: to check them out for Fox one. That's they're still

971
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: free to all available in our show notes. Uh, but

972
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: it's also us pitching matchup What's Up Everything Else? World

973
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: Series Primetime Halloween Night Yamamoto for the Dodgers, he's been

974
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: ridiculous in the playoffs. And then Kevin Gosman for the

975
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: Blue Jays, old friend, Braves legend, Kevin Gosman on the Mount,

976
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: he's been awesome too. So I can't wait to watch it, honestly,

977
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: like I have to do, I have to cover basketball

978
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: that night too. It would be it'll be a two.

979
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: It'll be a multi multi screen, multi viewing experience for

980
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: me because I'm watching baseball team.

981
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: And you know what, it is a rare opportunity for

982
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: a baseball team to clinch the World Series at home.

983
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: So weirdly, very few teams have won the World Series

984
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: on their home field in like the last decade, I think,

985
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: maybe even just so it's.

986
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: Just it's just so random. But you're right, it's a couple.

987
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it's Braves won it.

988
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Braves won it in Houston, Dodgers in New York.

989
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: I mean again, go and look it up. I think

990
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: something like nine of the last ten World Series have

991
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: been won on the visiting team's fe like the visiting

992
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: team has won on not on their home turf. So again,

993
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: rooting for the Blue Jays would be a great story,

994
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: even if they lose Game six, they do have Game

995
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: seven in their back pocket. I take that situation all

996
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: day long, and hopefully they can close this thing out.

997
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean, man, we say, how much fun that would

998
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: be if they can't win one out of two games

999
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: at home against the mighty Dodgers.

1000
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's and that's what it is. I mean, that's

1001
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: not to evoke this is this is our age difference.

1002
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: But people that are my major order will are We'll

1003
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: almost know where I'm gonna go here. The Braves won

1004
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: the first two in ninety six on the road in

1005
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: New York, came home, lost all three and lost the

1006
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: series and six. Yeah, so like stuff happens, it's baseball.

1007
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: And as discussed you and ilaw we go, hoth of

1008
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: advantage is not as big in baseball as it is

1009
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: in other sports, but it does make it feel worse

1010
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: if you lose the next two at home. For you

1011
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: and and look, the reason why their favorite right now

1012
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: not to do Betty market analysis at the end of

1013
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: the podcast is really just because they have two chances

1014
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: at it. They're not going to be huge favorites or

1015
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: actually I think their underdogs in the game in Game six,

1016
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: because the Dodgers are still the better team in the

1017
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: in the market, and they have the better pitcher now Momoto,

1018
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: he's really really good. So like individual games, it's probably

1019
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: slight edge of the Dodgers, but when you have two

1020
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: to win one that made your chances are higher. So

1021
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, man, I'm looking forward to I almost no,

1022
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: I won't say this. I I almost said I almost

1023
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go the Dodter's win Game six for Game

1024
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: seven purposes, but I just want to lose just to win.

1025
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: So go Jays, Yeah, go Jays.

1026
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean credit to Freddy Freeman for having just another

1027
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: historic iconic moment in the eighteenth inning, and and it's

1028
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: all the.

1029
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: Time, Scott I thought, I'm just kidding.

1030
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: I am happy for Freddy on a personal level that

1031
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: he's had this success. Man, I do miss Freddy every day.

1032
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: I miss watching Freddy Freeman play baseball with the Brakes.

1033
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. Let's not set our

1034
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: comments on fire entirely all the show.

1035
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: You literally just did the fort of time minute market.

1036
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: Anybody made it this far? And yeah, I literally I

1037
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: literally know members of Freddy's family, like, I'm like friendly

1038
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: with his cousin. His dad is grandparents. I root for Freddy.

1039
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: I hope Frey does well. I hope he loses. I

1040
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: hope he loses on Friday Night.

1041
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, blue Jays ten nothing on Friday Night. Let's let's

1042
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: bring home no drama need I mean, as a impartial fan, sure, like,

1043
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not eighteen innings, but like a tenth

1044
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: inning walk off for the J's might be, you know,

1045
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: it would be scenes in Toronto. I know there's also

1046
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: a history with the Braves and the Blue Jays. I

1047
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: don't know if that old wound is is I mean at.

1048
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: This point, but yeah, were you born? You were born?

1049
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Maybe not barely yeah ninety two, Uh yeah, yeah. I

1050
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: never got the sense that Braves fans hated the Blue Jays,

1051
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: especially they did the Twins ninety one, which is so

1052
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: much more like raw. I felt like, I mean I

1053
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: was little, but like even doing the history of it all,

1054
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: like reading stuff talking to people that were older than

1055
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: I was at the time, I feel like the Herbeck thing,

1056
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: all all the stuff that happened in ninety one was

1057
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 1: just like way more raw than the Blue Jays series.

1058
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: They just kind of lost to the Blue Jays, Like

1059
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a huge drama series. I think our

1060
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: good friend Grant McCauley shared that video. I think it

1061
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: was last week where the final out was Otis Nixon

1062
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: tried to drag bunt for the final out of the

1063
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: World Series with John Smoltz on third basis of Pincher runner.

1064
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: How about that. Go find that video that actually happened,

1065
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: Like in my lifetime, I remember this happening. Literally, the

1066
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: final out of the World Series is John Smaltz, Pincher

1067
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: running at third and Otis Nixon tries to bunt for

1068
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: a hit. It didn't work, Scott, That's why you call

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Speaker 1: in good friend Jorge Solaier to hit a five hundred

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Speaker 1: foot home run and the rest is history. Just signon

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Speaker 1: horts Layer, even if for nothing else other than the

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Speaker 1: World Series. All right, Scott, let's get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, as always, my friend. Working

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Speaker 1: folks find you on social media, they'd like to find you,

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Speaker 1: and they're just not buying our podcasts. Look, people do

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Speaker 1: find us and the elfies for the first time. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna keep rolling, I mean again, off season

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Speaker 2: starts and a couple of days we will have instant

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Speaker 2: reaction whenever the Braves do hire a manager, whenever they

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Speaker 2: make any trades, any signings, whatever happens, we'll do a

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Speaker 2: show that day, just about guaranteed. And if you want

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Speaker 2: to follow me over on the Twitter machine, I'm at

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Speaker 2: Scott Colman fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Scott hold fifty five, the world's largest Colts fan, righting

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Speaker 1: high right now, we'll see that goes. If you want

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Speaker 1: to follow me on Twitter slash x, I am at

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Speaker 1: BT Rowland. I don't know why you want to follow me,

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Speaker 1: but if you want to, please feel free. And more importantly,

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Speaker 1: the show is at Hammer Territory on that platform as

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Speaker 1: well as on Instagram, Facebook, et cetera. And please one

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Speaker 1: you so much. Also just take two seconds and subscribe

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Speaker 1: a comment if you want to engage with us there

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Speaker 1: and social media all those places, but we really do,

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Speaker 1: sincerely appreciate all the support and we'll be here all

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Speaker 1: the way through, so stay tuned. We'll have much more

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Speaker 1: coming up later on this week and see everybody next time.