Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by the
Speaker 1: one the only Western Hodkowits coming to you hear from
Speaker 1: our studios at lambeau Field West. The first preseason game
Speaker 1: of one, the first preseason game in two years, is
Speaker 1: upon us. The Packers will take on the Houston Texans
Speaker 1: Saturday night at lambeau Field. So I want to spend
Speaker 1: today's show just talking about, Hey, what are we going
Speaker 1: to be watching for here in this preseason opener? And
Speaker 1: I think it starts first and foremost with quarterback Jordan's love.
Speaker 1: First time Jordan's love hopping under center and an actual
Speaker 1: regulation football game in really twenty months is what it
Speaker 1: boils down to. You know, this is a young man
Speaker 1: that he's done everything he can do over the virtual
Speaker 1: zoom meetings. Last year he was he had three weeks
Speaker 1: worth of training camp where he saw a little bit
Speaker 1: of snaps and some of those young guy developmental periods.
Speaker 1: Then he's holding the clipboard the rest of the the
Speaker 1: you know, the season, he's had to train, He's had
Speaker 1: to do all this other stuff, kind of like the
Speaker 1: build up to Christmas. He's been waiting for that opportunity
Speaker 1: to sort of put everything to work, and now it's
Speaker 1: before him. And you know, the thing I want to
Speaker 1: see the most from Jordan's love is just how he
Speaker 1: responds to the variables. Because he's had some really good days.
Speaker 1: He's had some days to learn from in practice. But
Speaker 1: no matter what, you can see the intangibles, you can
Speaker 1: see the arm talent, and you can see the what
Speaker 1: you know, the characteristics that made him a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Now can he apply them to an actual in game situation. Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know, right or wrong, fair, unfair. The pressure
Speaker 1: is going to be on him here. He knows the
Speaker 1: spotlight is on him. Everybody is going to be watching
Speaker 1: to see how he performs. I just hope that the
Speaker 1: general media, the fans, that they keep this in perspective
Speaker 1: because this is this is one game. As you said,
Speaker 1: it's his first game in twenty months. He's going to
Speaker 1: have two more preseason games. Um. Just take a look
Speaker 1: at almost any NFL quarterbacks first preseason game, like they
Speaker 1: don't They normally don't go very well or they're full
Speaker 1: of you know what, Whatever is good can be offset
Speaker 1: by the bad. That's just the way this goes. I'm
Speaker 1: very curious to see how he performs, but I think
Speaker 1: we all have to be careful not I mean this.
Speaker 1: I said this an insider inbox. This is not going
Speaker 1: This performance Saturday Night is not going to define Jordan's Love.
Speaker 1: It is just the beginning of this next chapter, the
Speaker 1: beginning of this next piece of the story. We're all
Speaker 1: very excited and anxious and eager to see what it's
Speaker 1: going to be. But it's not going to be some
Speaker 1: sort of definitive statement on who Jordan's Love is or
Speaker 1: what kind of quarterback he's going to be in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Until three weeks ago, no pack of fan and really
Speaker 1: ever seen him play at all, practice anything other than
Speaker 1: maybe a few clips that they caught on the local
Speaker 1: news or on our website. So the fact that he's
Speaker 1: going to finally be in an in game situation, you
Speaker 1: know how society is, they're going to rush to conclusions.
Speaker 1: If he has a hundred fifty eight points re pass rating,
Speaker 1: this guy's the goat. If it doesn't work out that way,
Speaker 1: what the heck are the Packers doing the difference here
Speaker 1: with Love as opposed to any other quarterback I've covered
Speaker 1: You can't say this. Your situation was a little bit
Speaker 1: different with Aaron Rodgers, But there actually are expectations. Really
Speaker 1: weren't a whole lot of expectations on these quarterbacks, these
Speaker 1: backups during my time covering the Packers. People wanted to
Speaker 1: see Brett Hunley, but Brett Huntley was a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: People wanted to see if Graham Harold could hold onto
Speaker 1: the backup job, but grand Harold was a former undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent. Taysom Hill was a pleasant surprise. Nobody really
Speaker 1: expected a lot from Tim Boyle. Well, this young man
Speaker 1: has a lot of expectations on him. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it that I think people have to realize is
Speaker 1: Jordan's love. This isn't a guy that just flew into
Speaker 1: Green Bay and decided to play quarterback. He's been playing
Speaker 1: quarterback his entire life. And while he isn't the most
Speaker 1: you know, expressive guy when it comes to being in
Speaker 1: a news conference or wanting to speak his mind, he
Speaker 1: goes about his business in a very professional manner. In
Speaker 1: this sport means a lot to him. So I have
Speaker 1: to imagine he's champing at the bid here to get
Speaker 1: out there to show what he has to offer, and
Speaker 1: then you know, getting these bulk of the reps, we'll
Speaker 1: see what that first team offensive line looks like. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna see Elton Jenkins or not,
Speaker 1: but I mean there's gonna probably be a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that will be on the NFL roster here at
Speaker 1: the start of the season that will be blocking for
Speaker 1: him at the beginning of the game. So a really
Speaker 1: good opportunity for him to come out and show what
Speaker 1: he has to offer. I think one thing we are
Speaker 1: going to see on the offensive line more than likely
Speaker 1: is the continued rotation of those three guards that are
Speaker 1: battling essentially for the two spots at guard while Elton
Speaker 1: Jenkins is playing left tackle with the number one line
Speaker 1: here during training camp. And of course I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Lucas Patrick, John Runyon, and Ben Braden, And you know,
Speaker 1: really there's other than the fact that on Family Night
Speaker 1: last weekend, the coaches went with Runyan and Patrick for
Speaker 1: pretty much all of the snap with the number one
Speaker 1: offensive line. Now, there were some practice periods that were
Speaker 1: canceled and all that kind of stuff because of the weather,
Speaker 1: so we don't know if they were planning to rotate,
Speaker 1: But as far as the practices we've seen at Ray
Speaker 1: Nitchky Field, it has been a steady rotation of those
Speaker 1: three guys in the two spots with the number one line.
Speaker 1: I think that's going to continue here in the preseason
Speaker 1: and we'll see if somewhere along the line there's some
Speaker 1: kind of a decision, some kind of a separation as
Speaker 1: to how the coaches want to want to go with this.
Speaker 1: The part I love the most about this. All three
Speaker 1: of those guys are gonna play this season. If they
Speaker 1: get through healthy through training camp, they're all gonna play.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories was three two years ago now,
Speaker 1: Lane Taylor competing with Elton Jenkins for what I think
Speaker 1: was a starting right guard job. At that time, we're
Speaker 1: starting left graf remember how that worked out, But it
Speaker 1: was this whole camp competition. We talked about it the
Speaker 1: entire way, and ultimately Taylor ended up starting. But then
Speaker 1: they started working in Elton Jenkins for some snaps. Uh.
Speaker 1: They bring him in for a series or two, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately then Lane ends up having I believe it was
Speaker 1: the biceps injury, and he misses the whole season. Elton
Speaker 1: Jenkins had to be the eyes. So John Runyon, Lucas Patrick,
Speaker 1: Ben Braden, Packers are going to need those dudes. I
Speaker 1: don't want to put Braden on the roster, but where
Speaker 1: he's been taking snaps, you would think that he's definitely
Speaker 1: in this equation for the fifty three. In the other
Speaker 1: aspect of this too, to keep in mind, Packers don't
Speaker 1: have a proven, natural, established veteran backup center to Josh Myers.
Speaker 1: They do have Jake Hansen, former sixth round pick who
Speaker 1: played that position at Oregon, but he was on the
Speaker 1: practice squad last year. So Lucas Patrick and John running
Speaker 1: have both been rotating in that number two spot at center.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of snaps to go around. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of guys playing in a lot
Speaker 1: of different positions, I would imagine during that game against
Speaker 1: the Texans and seeing who those guys are and how
Speaker 1: they adapt to it, that's ultimately going to be the
Speaker 1: big indicator I think on that first game against the Saints,
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Speaker 1: if not the vast majority of the veteran starters on
Speaker 1: this team will not be playing in this first preseason game,
Speaker 1: and they may not play many snaps, if any at all,
Speaker 1: in these three preseason games. It sounds like A. J.
Speaker 1: Dillon is going to start at running back and maybe
Speaker 1: get the opening series, but then after that, here we
Speaker 1: go West. The competition for the number three running back
Speaker 1: spot really gets going between Patrick Taylor Kyl and Hill
Speaker 1: Dexter Williams. I think this is and this is not
Speaker 1: going to be decided in one game either, but this
Speaker 1: is where this is where it really kind of gets rolling.
Speaker 1: It does, and I want to talk about the running
Speaker 1: x but before we do, I want to mention one
Speaker 1: thing about the preseason. There's a lot of ways in
Speaker 1: which I thought Madden Football the video game was actually
Speaker 1: ahead of the NFL some of the trends I thought
Speaker 1: you saw with with you know, play calls and the
Speaker 1: way guys go about their offenses. Remember Mike McCarthy kind
Speaker 1: of talking about that, that that that generation is starting
Speaker 1: to have its impact on the actual game. Preseason allocation
Speaker 1: of starters is also a part of that. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, Brett Farve, I'm on Green, none of
Speaker 1: those guys ever saw action in the preseason. It's funny
Speaker 1: to me now that in two thousand twenty one we
Speaker 1: are getting to this place that, yeah, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: see it was all in all likelihood, you won't see
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I wonder if you'll see Devontas I wonder
Speaker 1: if you see Jaire Alexander those type of players because
Speaker 1: he needs them for Week one. It has been really
Speaker 1: interesting watching that shift. I want everyone at lambeau Field
Speaker 1: to have a fantastic time. There's gonna be some great
Speaker 1: battles and we're gonna talk about one of them here
Speaker 1: in a second, but that's really the biggest thing. Can
Speaker 1: you get your guys to Week one? Because we saw
Speaker 1: what happened with Jordy Nelson six years ago, and that's
Speaker 1: not the scenario you want. That being said, the number
Speaker 1: three back competition is as fun as I can remember
Speaker 1: it because there's a legitimate spot there. The Packers need
Speaker 1: three running backs. It's not like, Okay, these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna compete, we'll see if any of them stick. No,
Speaker 1: I mean one of those guys is sticking, and each
Speaker 1: guy brings something different to the party. Kylan Hill has
Speaker 1: tremendous one cut ability. His explosiveness is something that really
Speaker 1: jumped off the page to me. Certainly was an ultra
Speaker 1: ultra productive running back in the SEC at Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: but trying to kind of get things back going again
Speaker 1: after sort of that that that weird last year under
Speaker 1: Mike Leach. But I wrote about Patrick Taylor, and Patrick
Speaker 1: Taylor's a guy who had my eye on since the
Speaker 1: Packers signed him last year. Because he had the List
Speaker 1: Frank injury. He basically tried to do a six to
Speaker 1: eight weeks surgery to get back, which he did but
Speaker 1: just ended up making it worse, ends up having to
Speaker 1: have another surgery. Dr Robert Anderson here in Green Bay
Speaker 1: a month before the draft wipes out his rookie season.
Speaker 1: The Packers still like this kid's a talent enough to
Speaker 1: sign him, to keep him on the roster and give
Speaker 1: him that red shirt. Ear Well, now I think we're
Speaker 1: starting to see what they liked about him. Now it's
Speaker 1: gonna be different once you get into a game. But
Speaker 1: his build, his makeup, what he brings as an athlete, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not something that's your typical undrafted free agent. There's
Speaker 1: a lot to make this guy tick. Yeah, That's what's
Speaker 1: so intriguing to me about Taylor is we we've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Kyle and Hilen. As you said, we
Speaker 1: can see the that one cut, explosive nous on the
Speaker 1: practice field. Patrick Taylor is a completely different body type
Speaker 1: from Kyle and Hill, you know. And there's uh, we
Speaker 1: we've you know, we've we chat on the sidelines as
Speaker 1: as practice goes along. That you see and I don't
Speaker 1: want to draw to um Strong a comparison, but you
Speaker 1: see a little bit of of James Starks in in
Speaker 1: in Patrick Taylor, just in terms of in terms of
Speaker 1: the size and and the body lean and the way
Speaker 1: you know, the way he moves his shoulders to protect
Speaker 1: the ball and this and that. Now we'll see because
Speaker 1: you know a lot of this, a lot of this
Speaker 1: starts to look different when the brackling is for real
Speaker 1: and these guys have the ball in their hands. They're
Speaker 1: trying to break tackles, you know, trying to you know,
Speaker 1: shed guys. They have to take a hit, protect the ball,
Speaker 1: all of that um and and that's where the separation
Speaker 1: is going to come here in these preseason games to see,
Speaker 1: you know, who's going to be that number three guy.
Speaker 1: But the other thing we've got going on here to
Speaker 1: West with these running backs is we have heard that
Speaker 1: both Hill and Taylor are being looked at as possible
Speaker 1: kickoff return options for Maury Straight and the new special
Speaker 1: teams coordinator. We're expecting obviously a Marii Rodgers, the third
Speaker 1: round draft pick, to be the number one part returner,
Speaker 1: but the kickoff return and l granted, there's whatever percentage
Speaker 1: of kickoffs or touchbacks these days, and to get that,
Speaker 1: but um, but there are going to be some opportunities
Speaker 1: to to return some kicks. And the Packers want to
Speaker 1: try out these running backs and see and see if
Speaker 1: one of these guys is the right fit for that spot.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, one of their big core special teamers
Speaker 1: I mean he was the number two, but Paul Williams
Speaker 1: did a lot on teams four years in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: including returning kickoffs. There's something about the running back position.
Speaker 1: I haven't quite put my finger on it yet, but
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy used to always talk about this too. They
Speaker 1: liked back in McCarthy's time. They liked having that number
Speaker 1: three guy as a kickoff return option. Remember Dawan Harris
Speaker 1: did it a little bit, Jonathan Franklin did it, unfortunately
Speaker 1: up until his neck injury. They liked incorporating that guy,
Speaker 1: and obviously swerved last year. They like having them involved
Speaker 1: in that. And the cool thing that I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really fun to watch in the preseason because
Speaker 1: you have to imagine they're gonna get some opportunities if
Speaker 1: it's safe and it makes sense. I can see them
Speaker 1: being a couple of steps in the end zone and
Speaker 1: bringing it out to try to make a play and
Speaker 1: make an impression. If the situation calls for it, well,
Speaker 1: and they want to evaluate those other guys on the unit,
Speaker 1: the blockers, all that kind of stuff. They want to
Speaker 1: they want to take those opportunities. But I've never seen
Speaker 1: a scenario in which one of the guys has returned
Speaker 1: one kickoff in college. I don't know if the other guy,
Speaker 1: kyl and Hill even did it. I mean, there this
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a new era for them,
Speaker 1: so to speak. But you know, as Patrick Taylor are said,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Kyle and Old say it again when he
Speaker 1: talks to us, is this is what you have to
Speaker 1: do when you're trying to make the league as a
Speaker 1: late round pick or as an undrafted free agent. You've
Speaker 1: got to offer more than just what your natural position.
Speaker 1: Is an incredible opportunity for them. If anything, I thought
Speaker 1: it was more telling that they are not looking at
Speaker 1: Amori Rodgers in that scenario. They see him as like
Speaker 1: the starting punt returner guy, but you know, kickoff returns,
Speaker 1: and maybe there's something because that way, if it's the
Speaker 1: number three guy, then all they have to do is
Speaker 1: focus on returning, and it's not a guy having a
Speaker 1: return gas himself and then come out for the next play.
Speaker 1: All those things kind of fluttered through my mind. But
Speaker 1: either way, Uh, certainly some big opportunities for those young
Speaker 1: men in that game. Yeah, and special teams in general.
Speaker 1: This is really the start of the new era with
Speaker 1: with modrat and they don't really do any live, fully
Speaker 1: live special teams periods and practice. So whether it's the punt,
Speaker 1: the punt return, the kickoff, the kickoff return, all of
Speaker 1: these live reps that they're going to get in these
Speaker 1: preseason games, guys are going to be evaluated. They want
Speaker 1: to change the culture on special teams. The rankings past
Speaker 1: year weren't good, as guys have talked about, as we
Speaker 1: all know, they want to turn those things around. And
Speaker 1: and it starts with finding the right players. And those
Speaker 1: right players are going to step step up, step forward
Speaker 1: in the preseason too, uh, to make a name for
Speaker 1: themselves and and to get noticed. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you a lot of a lot of players will be
Speaker 1: essentially putting on a Packers uniform in a game situation
Speaker 1: for the first time new Packers in who's the guy
Speaker 1: that you're most interested to see play for the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers for the first time. Well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I go myself, but Patrick Taylor is one of them,
Speaker 1: just because there's so much intrigue I think when guys
Speaker 1: haven't played for this long and you've been wanting even
Speaker 1: wanting to actually see him out there. Um, this is
Speaker 1: also kind of a copo. But I really want to
Speaker 1: see Joe side Deguara. And I know he played a
Speaker 1: little bit for them last year, but what but we
Speaker 1: didn't We only saw those few reps in the regular season.
Speaker 1: We never really got to see him in a featured role,
Speaker 1: which is probably what more of what he would have
Speaker 1: done in the preseason. So Deguar is one that I
Speaker 1: really want to see. And then you know, you look
Speaker 1: at these other positions like Eric Stokes. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to imagine Eric Stokes is gonna play a lot.
Speaker 1: You got to be careful with it because we don't
Speaker 1: know what the scenario is going to be or what
Speaker 1: the timeline is for Kevin King. Eric Stokes might legitimately
Speaker 1: have to play in Week one, but you just want
Speaker 1: to see that guy after going up against Davante Adams
Speaker 1: and Davante Adams and more Davante Adams. What does he
Speaker 1: do when he's going up against other rookies, other guys
Speaker 1: that are maybe number four or five on a depth chart.
Speaker 1: How do his skills apply there? Sometimes you gotta get
Speaker 1: some wins, you know, get your confidence up. And I
Speaker 1: think for Stokes, this is gonna be a really good opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely excited to see Stokes. Interested to see a Mari Rodgers.
Speaker 1: As we talked about, I mean, he's he's gonna be
Speaker 1: he's gonna be running the jet sweeps, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: slot receiver as we talked about, he's gonna be returning punts.
Speaker 1: Here's the other guy I'm interested in and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I can't say for sure how much he's going to play.
Speaker 1: We really don't know for certain. But Devandre Campbell the
Speaker 1: new linebacker, veteran linebacker that the Packers science find him in,
Speaker 1: you know, early to mid June, right towards the end
Speaker 1: of the offseason program, bringing in to have that one
Speaker 1: veteran presence in in the room that has Chris Barnes,
Speaker 1: Comal Martin, although Martin is injured right now, Ty Summers
Speaker 1: and Oran Burke's who are your reserve guys at that
Speaker 1: position and your leaders on special teams. But Campbell is
Speaker 1: really intriguing to me because, as we've talked about, it's
Speaker 1: a he's a body type at inside linebacker the Packers
Speaker 1: really have not had around here. And when you look
Speaker 1: at his production where he's been with Atlanta, with Arizona,
Speaker 1: you look at his production. You just wonder, is there
Speaker 1: is there another level with a guy like Campbell if
Speaker 1: he if he gets he's in a new setting, maybe
Speaker 1: the scheme ends up being the right fit for him.
Speaker 1: The way he gets used. You wonder if there's another level, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, indulge me for a second year. Charles Woodson
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame talent in Oakland, became a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame player in Green Bay, right, Wes Hodkowitz Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame talent at the Green Bay Press because that having
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career with Packers dot Com? All right, now, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just you gotta do it. You do it. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Devandre Campbell is the next Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying that sometimes sometimes the
Speaker 1: change of the change of scenery, the right environment, the
Speaker 1: right scheme for a guy. Maybe there's another level to
Speaker 1: Devandre Campbell's career that the Packers are going to find here.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I don't want to oversell it
Speaker 1: because there's a part of me like I've been wondering,
Speaker 1: like am I too excited about this guy? Just because
Speaker 1: the Packers have been looking for that guy at inside
Speaker 1: linebackers seemingly for so long now that that just because
Speaker 1: that possibility is there, maybe I'm getting a little bit
Speaker 1: too excited, so I'm trying to temper it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I am really interested to see because they a
Speaker 1: six three six four inside linebacker just is not something
Speaker 1: we have seen around here, and I'm really interested what
Speaker 1: he can do. The last time I remember a body
Speaker 1: type like that playing that position, it was Brad Jones,
Speaker 1: and when they first made that switch, I believe in
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, Jones end up having the best
Speaker 1: season of his career in that role just because he
Speaker 1: was a little bit more of a longer range year
Speaker 1: athlete who could kind of trail on running backs and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. But ever since then and credited
Speaker 1: you know, Blake Martinez and Jake Ryan and these guys
Speaker 1: they've had in here, Packers really have been searching for
Speaker 1: a coverage type linebacker. I'm not saying that the mike.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying a guy who's gonna play all three downs,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying a guy that can allow them to
Speaker 1: stay in Nickel Moore than what they've done the last
Speaker 1: few seasons. And the other thing you got to keep
Speaker 1: in mind too, Mike. For a number of years there,
Speaker 1: they would get to the end of training camp and
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, b J Goodson or they
Speaker 1: had to make that trade for Antonio Morrison, they found
Speaker 1: themselves for one reason or another having to bring in
Speaker 1: a guy like a week before the start of the
Speaker 1: regular season, and that guy ended up being that first
Speaker 1: down and second down linebacker. Devandre Campbell is a guy
Speaker 1: that I think, in most seasons would have gotten a
Speaker 1: nice contract. He would have been able to you know,
Speaker 1: maybe multiple years. Maybe it would have been another one year,
Speaker 1: proven deal like he got in Arizona. But with the
Speaker 1: way that this cap went, as we've talked about before,
Speaker 1: the same thing with Dennis Kelly, there are these mid
Speaker 1: level free agents and there's no mid level exemption like
Speaker 1: the NBA. I mean, these guys that probably deserved a
Speaker 1: couple more bucks and they got that sat on the
Speaker 1: market a little bit longer than he should have. And
Speaker 1: I that's what I'm excited about with Devandre Campbell. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that appears to me not to be
Speaker 1: a stop gap, not to be a guy that they're
Speaker 1: just bringing into Philip position because of an injury or
Speaker 1: somebody's departure. This is a guy that actually makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense for what Joe Berry wants to do,
Speaker 1: and it allows Chris Barnes kind of focus on what
Speaker 1: he's been the best at so far, which is communicating
Speaker 1: the defense and getting after running backs. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like we've been talking about it. Those two Campbell and
Speaker 1: Barnes have been the pair when there's two inside linebackers
Speaker 1: on the field with the number one defense. That has
Speaker 1: been the Paris since day one of training camp. That
Speaker 1: hasn't changed. I think we're going to see at least
Speaker 1: a little bit, maybe not this first preseason game, but
Speaker 1: at some point in the preseason those two guys, you know,
Speaker 1: playing side by side as they as they sort some
Speaker 1: some things out here before the regular season. And I'll
Speaker 1: say this too. You mentioned Kamal Martin's injury. That's why
Speaker 1: they went and got Campbell because in case something happens,
Speaker 1: whether it was Martin weather, it was Burke's where it
Speaker 1: was Summer's weather, it was Barnes, they needed to have
Speaker 1: another veteran in the fold after losing Christian Kirksy and Devandra.
Speaker 1: Campbell's that guy. Yeah, all right, Well, With that, we
Speaker 1: will call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
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