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Speaker 1: me after the game and said, what exactly did you

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Speaker 1: do or what were you doing? Um? And our tempo

429
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: was so fast. It wasn't as if we weren't going

430
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Speaker 1: no huddle. We were actually going with the huddle. But

431
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Speaker 1: I was kind to get our team to change on

432
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Speaker 1: the fly, much like hockey teams do, and they change

433
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: lines and our guys figured it out and it was

434
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: like magic for about five weeks there at the end

435
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Speaker 1: of my career, and it was something that was to me,

436
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: was the most memorable part of my career because it

437
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: impacted so many young players. I love it, absolutely love

438
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: it when when we go through the evaluation process with

439
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Speaker 1: the draft every year, Boomer Um, I try and the

440
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks look, it's it's hard man to try and get

441
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Speaker 1: this thing sorted out. When I was in Baltimore, UM,

442
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Speaker 1: we had a project and it was trying to find

443
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Speaker 1: what all these great quarterbacks, what was a trait that

444
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Speaker 1: they had in common. And when I went back through

445
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Speaker 1: and went through all the Hall of Fame quarterbacks, all

446
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl quarterbacks, and poise was the one thing

447
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Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, you can different sizes, different arms, strength,

448
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Speaker 1: different athletes, but poise was was something that they all shared,

449
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Speaker 1: So that was one of the big three for me, poise, accuracy,

450
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Speaker 1: decision making. But with the way the games played now,

451
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I need to add a fourth thing

452
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Speaker 1: in there in terms of just being able to extend

453
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Speaker 1: plays with your feet and being able to move around

454
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Speaker 1: a little bit, because it seems like if your quarterback

455
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Speaker 1: can't move, so it's it's such a disadvantage with the

456
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Speaker 1: way that the game has evolved right now. Yeah, I

457
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: don't think the game has changed all that much. I

458
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: mean a lot of us were able to move and run.

459
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Speaker 1: We just didn't have the r p O that they

460
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Speaker 1: have these in this day and age. I mean we

461
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Speaker 1: were able to escape, and I you know, I think

462
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Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks, even like the guys that were

463
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Speaker 1: you would think were more statuetque in the pocket. Like

464
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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, he could get out of the pocket if

465
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Speaker 1: he had to. I could get out of the pocket

466
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Speaker 1: if I had to, Phil Simms, Troy Men, all of

467
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: us could run. I mean there was no question about that.

468
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: They just weren't calling runs for us. There wasn't that

469
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Speaker 1: RPO aspect of the game. But the attributes that I

470
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Speaker 1: always look for, uh, Pois is one of them. Certainly,

471
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: accuracy is big because if you can throw the ball

472
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Speaker 1: and know where you're throwing it, obviously that helps. But

473
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Speaker 1: I always want the a type personality. I want the

474
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Speaker 1: guy that when he was in high school he was

475
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Speaker 1: a captain of his football teams, baseball teams, basketball team,

476
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Speaker 1: or his lacrosse team. I want somebody that you know,

477
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: can work well with people, that understands pressure. Uh you

478
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: know when I'll never forget this one. We were interviewing

479
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes before the draft on our show here in

480
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Speaker 1: New York. After we got done interviewing him, I told

481
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Speaker 1: the guys that I worked with, that's my quarterback. That's

482
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Speaker 1: the guy that I want. And the reason I felt

483
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Speaker 1: that way was I could see all the stuff on

484
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Speaker 1: the film, as you guys can too, but when I

485
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Speaker 1: met him, there was like this, this this steely eyed

486
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Speaker 1: confidence in him. And you know, I knew his dad

487
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Speaker 1: when his dad played for the Mets, and I knew

488
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Speaker 1: that he had been around Major League Baseball and was

489
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: shagging fly balls at the age of six, so he

490
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Speaker 1: was not going to be overwhelmed that. I knew that

491
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Speaker 1: his life where it was headed was where he wanted

492
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Speaker 1: it to go and where he expected it to go.

493
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Speaker 1: So when Andy Reid drafted him, I was so happy

494
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Speaker 1: for that young man because he was going to be

495
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Speaker 1: with a great head coach and that coach was going

496
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Speaker 1: to get the most out of him like he has

497
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Speaker 1: with every quarterback he's ever coached. So um, there are

498
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Speaker 1: certain personality traits that I can tell when I meet

499
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Speaker 1: these guys that I know that they're going to be

500
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Speaker 1: a success. You know, Boom, we're going going back to

501
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: early conversation. You talked about how it was such a

502
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Speaker 1: rush and how important it was for you to be

503
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Speaker 1: in control, to have all of that heaped onto you

504
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Speaker 1: to really run the offense. Obviously, back then that's a

505
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: little more old school where quarterbacks would call their own place.

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Speaker 1: If you were an offensive coordinator in today's game, what

507
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Speaker 1: would be the thing to sign that you would know

508
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Speaker 1: that you could trust a quarterback to give him control

509
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Speaker 1: of the offense and to step back. And it just

510
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Speaker 1: kind of got them from afar. Well. I wish I

511
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Speaker 1: could say I was calling my own plays. There was

512
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Speaker 1: one year there that I tried to do that, and

513
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Speaker 1: that was in Uh I wanna and Sam, why should

514
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Speaker 1: have been fired and David Shula had become the head coach,

515
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: and I knew the offense better than David. David was

516
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Speaker 1: our wide receiver coach the year before, and he said,

517
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Speaker 1: you want to give this a shot. So imagine me

518
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Speaker 1: Bucky out of the field trying to figure out, Okay,

519
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: it's third and five. We're on their for to your

520
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Speaker 1: online what personnel grouping I want in there. I'm running

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Speaker 1: the no huddle offense. I'm calling plays, and after about

522
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: four games, I was mentally exhausted. I was shot. So

523
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Speaker 1: that's not as easy as it sounds. But I will

524
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Speaker 1: say this, for all quarterbacks to get to the line

525
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Speaker 1: of scrimmage and then call the play at the line

526
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Speaker 1: of scrimmage, when you have a number of plays that

527
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Speaker 1: you can go to, I think that's relatively easy. I

528
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Speaker 1: think both quarterbacks should be able to read defenses, look

529
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Speaker 1: for keys. If they have smart offensive coordinators and they're

530
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Speaker 1: in tune with their offensive coordinators, all that stuff should

531
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Speaker 1: be second nature. I don't expect rookies to be able

532
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Speaker 1: to do that, but you know, guys like Josh Allen

533
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Speaker 1: this year, for instance, you know he's playing better than

534
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Speaker 1: he played last year. He's still not at the height

535
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Speaker 1: of where I think he can get to. I think

536
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: the ceiling for this young man is really high because

537
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: he has something that, you know what you really really

538
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: want a quarterback, and that's he loves the game of football.

539
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: He looks like a football party, he plays the game

540
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: like a football player. So I know that they're struggling

541
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Speaker 1: a little bit offensively with him, but each and every

542
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Speaker 1: week he seems to be getting better and better and better.

543
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Speaker 1: But now I think he he should be able to

544
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Speaker 1: be trusted by calling the right plays at the line

545
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Speaker 1: of scrimmage, getting the run checks right, getting the past

546
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Speaker 1: protection checks right, being able to give a little bit

547
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Speaker 1: of a tip to one of his teammates that may

548
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Speaker 1: be actually younger than him on the field. I played

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Speaker 1: with Corey Deal in my final year, and every time

550
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Speaker 1: we broke the huddle, I told Corey, look, you got

551
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: number fifty six over there to fifty three, and if

552
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: they don't come, you can run your wife pattern, but

553
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: don't do it until you make sure they're not coming.

554
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Speaker 1: Because I would always make sure that I would come

555
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: for myself. So this is some of the part of

556
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: the communication process these young kids got to go through.

557
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: And I think every quarterback should be required to be

558
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: able to do that, or I wouldn't put them on

559
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: the field because they couldn't they couldn't protect themselves. Absolutely. Earlier, Boomer,

560
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: you talked about Mahomes and being around the sport of baseball.

561
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: We've kind of made it our little crusade here. Um,

562
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: we're so against the whole specialization we see him with

563
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: with young kids nowadays only playing one sport. We all

564
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: played three sports growing up. I know you were a

565
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Speaker 1: three sport guy. Um, just your thoughts on that and

566
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Speaker 1: kind of where you see youth sports and how it

567
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: has an impact as they go forward. You know, I

568
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: think parents all hope that their kids make it to

569
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Speaker 1: the pros. Always tell parents be realistic, give me lasted

570
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Speaker 1: one actually make it to this level. And if you

571
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: do make it to this level, it's it's very unlikely

572
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna last more than three years. So you always

573
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: have to make sure that you're falling back on something else.

574
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Speaker 1: Education obviously being the most important thing, but I want

575
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Speaker 1: kids to experience all sorts of things. You know. I

576
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: love baseball. I love playing the game. I love the

577
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: nuance of the game. Um, I love the pitch I

578
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: love the bat. Uh love stealing bases. You know, you

579
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: learn just a different kind of concept from the different

580
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: sport playing basketball five men on the court, you know,

581
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I was a point guard. I was able to see

582
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Speaker 1: the you know, and distribute and that was to me

583
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: like throwing touchdown passes. I actually enjoyed a better assist

584
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: than I did make in a three point shot myself. So, um,

585
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, but that's a trade of a quarterback. You

586
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: want to make the people around you better. You want

587
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: to be so good at your craft that no matter

588
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: how bad somebody is you're playing with, you're going to

589
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: have a positive impact on their ability to do their job.

590
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: And you're gonna be able to communicate with them. You're

591
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna be able to facilitate whatever little short SoundBite you

592
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: may need to get to them to make sure that

593
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: they're more comfortable on the field. Um. And that's I

594
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: think that comes from being well rounded and being around

595
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: other types of athletes and other types of situations. I mean,

596
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: there's only what eight or ten football games you play

597
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: in high school. You can play thirty five basketball games,

598
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: you can w forty baseball games and you're still a

599
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: part of the team and the team dynamic and the

600
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: coach and and leading by example and inspiring your teammates.

601
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: So that's why I always say it's better for you know,

602
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: players like like I wasn't like you guys weren't in

603
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: high school, to play as many sports as you can

604
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: and experience as many different team based experiences that you

605
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: can have. All right, Boomer, this has been outstanding. Man.

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Speaker 1: We can't thank you enough for your time. Got page

607
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: full notes here and learned a lot today, so we

608
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: do appreciate it. Man, Thank you so much. I appreciate

609
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: you guys. Have a great day. Thanks for having me on.

610
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Well there you go, Buck Boomer very kind and generous

611
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: with his time. They're great to catch up with him.

612
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: And and somebody, I think, look, I don't know there's

613
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: anybody smarter in the in the TV space when it

614
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: comes to NFL football. Boomer sizens outstanding. He is outstanding.

615
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: But I look, I don't know, um how I feel

616
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: about him because as as a kid he was at

617
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: the University of Maryland, and am uh when when I

618
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: was a kid, Maryland won three straight a CC titles

619
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Speaker 1: and Boomer was the centerpiece to that movement. And so

620
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I always have a tough time when I look at him,

621
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Speaker 1: because I don't look at Boomer Sas and the great

622
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals player. I look at Boomer SaaS and playing

623
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: in red with the terps just kind of running all

624
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: over my tar heels and beating them up at the

625
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: stadium a couple of times. So I have a tough

626
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: time with that. But you're right, he's one of the best.

627
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: He's one of the best analysts um that we come across.

628
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: I love the way he breaks down the game, and

629
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Speaker 1: I really love the way he breaks down young quarterbacks.

630
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: He played with no fear and he uses that same

631
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: style as a broadcaster. All Right, I want to get

632
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: to a quick discussion here. Second round buck. We mentioned

633
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: it on an episode maybe two episodes ago, the importance

634
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: of the second round. Looking at all those wide receiver

635
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: hits seen in the second round, man, it's it's the

636
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: most bang for your buck. I mean, when you look

637
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Speaker 1: at how you can get these starters, you get it

638
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 1: for four years. Man. Uh So when you look at

639
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: this year teams with multiples, We've got the Seahawks, the Bears,

640
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, the Colts, and the Falcons. That is a

641
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: good spot to be in there and round number two,

642
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: great spot to be in. And it's one of those

643
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: things DJ like, Now, Um, I was driving the other day.

644
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking about a conversation that we've had in

645
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: terms of the marquee positions and what positions you would

646
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: value in the first round. Coming off the heels of

647
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: our discussion that we had a week or two weeks

648
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: ago where we talked about second round receivers, I was like,

649
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would ever take a receiver

650
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: in the first round. Now, Um, maybe I would take

651
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: it right back. So so now I'm beginning to think, well,

652
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: how many positions are really valued in the first round? Um,

653
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: And this will jump off into our second round thing.

654
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: What positions just without names, but what positions do you deem?

655
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: I have to take those positions in the first round? Quarterback?

656
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: We know, offensive line, defensive line, Like, I mean, what

657
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: what other ones are ones that you say? I am

658
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: fine committing to the corner. We're just going to draft

659
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: in the first round those positions. Yeah, I mean to me,

660
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go through it first round. If we're

661
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: looking at important go quarterback, I'll go edge rusher, I'll

662
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: go offensive tackle, I'll go corner. Um, those to me

663
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: are the ones that supply wise, it's just a limited supply.

664
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: There's only and it really when it comes down to it,

665
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: probably the quarterback, offensive tackle. I think there's usually a

666
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: pretty big drop off from round one to round two. Traditionally,

667
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: edge rusher you can stumble into one here there, corners

668
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: you'll find some, although I still think those those four,

669
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: to me, you want a corner to come in and

670
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: play right away, usually you gotta you gotta spend a one.

671
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: So that's so, that's so that's funny because I I

672
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: haven't always agreed with that, But the more did I

673
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: look at it, the more what I'm saying, you know what,

674
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: maybe the only as you got put is maybe a

675
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: special running back. But I don't even know if I

676
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: can confidently say that because I've been they got to say, hey,

677
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: you know you can take one early because Zeke and

678
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: Tie Gurley and all those other guys. But let's just

679
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: say this, like we're building a team, and we're thinking

680
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: about like building it for the long haul. I think

681
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: if you're talking about you get your quarterback and then

682
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: you just continue to invest in the offensive line, and

683
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: let's just say we're just pumping the first round picked

684
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: into the offensive line over three or four year period,

685
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: where we eventually have an offensive line that just features

686
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: all first rounds. We saw the San Francisco forty nine

687
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: is basically do that in reverse for the d line.

688
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: But let's just say we committed to building a first

689
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: round offensive line. How much better could we beat than

690
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: other teams if we just poured our resources into that

691
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: and then said in the second and third rounds that's

692
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: where we get a skill. Guys, we had a free

693
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: agent here there. Could we build a better team by

694
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: having a rock solid foundation building the lines first and

695
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: then the other stuff as a secondary secondary positions. Well

696
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: that that that to me is the blueprint book. Um

697
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: I we did it out the other day and we

698
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: saw it. I said, it's hard to have a bad

699
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: team with a great offensive line. Yes, it's just hard

700
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: man and somebody the only so you know, Twitter is right,

701
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna try and find you know, you know, why

702
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: you're wrong and shoving your face. There was only one

703
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: team that came up, and that was Brown's team of

704
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: you know whatever. It was five or six years ago

705
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: when they had Joe Thomas Schwartz Batonio, Um, Alex mac

706
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: that was a great offensive line, bad team. That's the

707
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: one example that Twitter could give me offensive line and

708
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: a bad team, I would be okay with it. And

709
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: this goes back to a conversation UM when I was

710
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, Marty Schotenheimer, UM, and he said this,

711
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: and he's he stood in front of the team. We

712
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: had just lost Marcus Allen, uh, Greg marks Allen had retired,

713
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: Greg hill Hey going off to free agency, and he

714
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: stood in front of the room. He said, it never

715
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: matters for us who the running backs are as long

716
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: as we have Will Shiels, Dave's Dot and Tim Gronnard.

717
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: At the time, all three of those guys were Pro bowlers,

718
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter. He said, we can run the

719
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: ball that will because we have dominant people up front.

720
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: And I am beginning to believe that the offensive line

721
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: matters more than the guys that are really toten to rock.

722
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: And it has taken me a long time to come

723
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: to that realization, but I am beginning to see it.

724
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Like just look at the San Francisco forty nine is

725
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: and the way they run the ball. Yes, it's a

726
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: combination of personnel and scheme, but they're doing it with

727
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: a cast of really no names in the backfield, and

728
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: so investing in the offensive line really matters. And you

729
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: see it each week with the Chargers. If the Charges

730
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: had in a level offensive line, it really wouldn't matter

731
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: if it was Melvin Gordon, Austin Ekeler, whoever was there,

732
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: because if I can guarantee you that we will get

733
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: pushed for four or five yards, the running game is

734
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: going to be successful, no doubt. Um. Again, I just

735
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: think there's no excuse to not put resources in the

736
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: offensive line because the data is out there. I mean,

737
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: the evidence is out there if you will invest. And

738
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: that's um draft capital meaning high picks, and that's free

739
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: agency dollars, you know. And and I think we've we've

740
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: seen the teams if you go look at the standings,

741
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: go look at the teams in first and second place

742
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: in every division. Not many bad offensive lines in that bunch. Man. No,

743
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, let's you said that, you said the Chargers.

744
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: I want to go back to that real quick, because

745
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: you said the Chargers. Think about this. Russell Coon's missed

746
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: the majority of the season, hasn't hasn't played County has

747
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: missed a big chunk of the season. So if you

748
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: go back last year, even Sam Tevy has been hurt,

749
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: go back last year, but those guys healthy. It was

750
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: a better it was a better offensive line. You got

751
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: better you got better results. It's not a it's not

752
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: a mystery. No, it's not. It's not a mystery. And

753
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean even the Seattle Seahawks um ascension of late

754
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: they got Dwayne Brown, who's the first round pick. Uh,

755
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: you go, and just kind of piece through their officsive line,

756
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: and the reason they improve, well they have better players

757
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: up front, better players is that The underrated trade is that,

758
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: like I feel talking about the round change. Remember, I

759
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: mean for year after year it was like this offensive

760
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: line can do this, can't do that. I mean they're terrible.

761
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is gonna get killed. And then that trade

762
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: was the first kind of they got a foundation. He's

763
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: a foundation piece there at left tackle. And I don't

764
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: feel like that gets mentioned. Is one of the great

765
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: trades of the last decade. I really think it was.

766
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: It really was, and and I think it continues to

767
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: speak to um what we're saying in terms of foundation.

768
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: And so let's just say you're running, you're running a team.

769
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: The foundation players are the quarterback, the add rush of

770
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle in the cornerback. And I think he

771
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of plays out if we go back and look

772
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: at the guys who are your perennial Pro Bowl players, UM,

773
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl players, the guys that are at the

774
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: top of the position, typically our first round players at

775
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: those respective positions. UM, the edge rusher thing. I think

776
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: we can make it rusher because it can be inside

777
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: or outside, but regardless of somewhere that can affect the quarterback.

778
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: But that's what it is. And then you put the

779
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: other pieces around those four. And the reason quarnerback is

780
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: still a big one because we're seeing more teams played

781
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: man man, whereas before you could say, hey, I can

782
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: get away with unless they're talent. We can hide him

783
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: in his own we can be a cover two guy

784
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. No, you need to have a playmaker there.

785
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: They guy has to be at the Catholic. He has

786
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: to be able to lock up and play. And there's

787
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: a premium and finding those guys because they change the

788
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: way that you're able to play on defense. UM. Team

789
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: building is always evolving, but there's some of these things

790
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: that have been true over the test of time, and

791
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: I think over the test of time, quarterbacks passed for

792
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: us as tackles and corners have always kind of been

793
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: the guys that have been the focal points of your

794
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: team building process, no doubt. All Right, there's a big

795
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: college football game this weekend. We've got Ohio State Penn State.

796
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked a lot about players from

797
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: that game, so I say we we hold off on that.

798
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what they do in the game once

799
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: we once they play the game, that we act to

800
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: it next week. Of what we've seen from all those stars,

801
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: um Nobile, I I know you've got some You've got

802
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: some questions for us here, fire away, buddy. All right,

803
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: First one, what positions should the Lions be angling to upgrade?

804
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: If you were in charge of building their roster the

805
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: rush to pass? What do you think, Buck, They gotta

806
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: get to the past, so they can't get to the

807
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: past there. I mean, in this game where the league

808
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: is still a passing league and you have to earn

809
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: the right to get there. They have to be able

810
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: to increase the pressure rate on the quarterback. They are

811
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: a team that wants to play man and man they

812
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: play it only behind the pages in terms of the

813
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: amount of man and man snaps they play. But if

814
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: you can't rush to pass, it's hard for you guys

815
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: to hold up. Uh. They need to find pass rushers.

816
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: They need to find them in droves, because you cannot

817
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: impact and effective quarterback without guys that can get to

818
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: them at a lot of scrimmage. I'll say playmaker two

819
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: on the back end of that defense. Get some more

820
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: playmakers there. Um, just getting your hands on the football

821
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: making plays. Um. I'd keep an eye on that, and

822
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: we've looked they've invested there a team that has invested

823
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: a lot in the offensive line with high picks. UM,

824
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't be afraid to go back in

825
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: that direction if you wanted to as well. UM. I

826
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: think they're kind of building their identity as a physical team. UM. Obviously,

827
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: you know Stafford, they can chuck around the yard. They've

828
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: got some good white outs. But UM, I have no

829
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: problem if they keep going back to that. Well, yeah,

830
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: they have to. They have to continue to do it.

831
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: They have to continue to find a way to upgrade.

832
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: That's that spot and in as Matthew Stafford gets older,

833
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: it's even more important that the pastors to do it.

834
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: But it seem more impointed to defense and the running

835
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: game are bigger factors because as he gets older, you

836
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: want to lean on him less. You don't want to

837
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: lean on him more to be the guy has to

838
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: do everything for the team. Yeah, And I just think

839
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to prioritize it, though, I think I

840
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: would probably. I think you mentioned that their defensive line

841
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: pass rush um. I definitely think the focus starts on

842
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and then you can

843
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: go back on the offense. Continue to double down on that.

844
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: On that old line, what do we got? Do you

845
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: think the success of teams that are using more traditional

846
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: personnel like the Seahawks, forty Niners, Ravens, and Patriots will

847
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: influence how other teams build their roster? You think that again, absolutely,

848
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: it's going to influence it. Offensive line, tight ends, fullbacks.

849
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean to me, the fullback is the great story.

850
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: It's the great untold story of the twenty nineteen season

851
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: is how many teams are employing fullbacks and and being

852
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, catalyst for their run games. I think the

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Speaker 1: fullback um, which is hard to find in college football

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Speaker 1: right now. Um, but you're gonna see You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: teams trying to find that guy if they don't have

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Speaker 1: one already. You know, DJ, I do believe it's coming

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Speaker 1: full circle. And I mean the league is always reactionary.

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Speaker 1: So what happened. Defenses began to utilize all these small,

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Speaker 1: fleet footed pass rushes on the field to be able

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Speaker 1: to affect the passing in well. To counter that, teams

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Speaker 1: have gone back to what I call nineteen eighties football,

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Speaker 1: where you're in two backs, one tight end, or in

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Speaker 1: twelve personnel, one back, two tight ends, and you're hammering

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Speaker 1: the ball at those little guys trying to run them

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Speaker 1: off the field. I also believe the success at the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings and the San Francisco forty Niners have have

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Speaker 1: running two back systems with the complementary play action package

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Speaker 1: to be able to take quarterbacks that might have been

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Speaker 1: up and down, and they've been able to level them

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Speaker 1: out by being able to run it and run the

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Speaker 1: bootlegs and the nakeds and the misdirection action. You will

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Speaker 1: see more teams utilize that, and the versatility of Kyle

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Speaker 1: you Check has definitely helped the full back come back

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Speaker 1: in vogue. What is the ra Shard kid from Baltimore

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Speaker 1: who is diversatile fullback, but he also is a pass rusher. Record, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that helps as well. It used to be a throwaway position.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to run all those guys out. That position

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Speaker 1: has value and if the fullback can catch the ball

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Speaker 1: out the backfield, he is a dangerous weapon. And I

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Speaker 1: believe if I could tell any young guy, any guy

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Speaker 1: that's a linebacker that may play offense in high school,

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Speaker 1: I would say spend a little time on the jugs machine.

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Speaker 1: Because if you're a fullback who can catch the ball

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Speaker 1: like those other guys, those elite guys can, man, you

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Speaker 1: can find a home in the National Football League. And

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Speaker 1: the big takeaway too for me is that these these um,

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Speaker 1: you know, college kids as they come to the league

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Speaker 1: don't know how to fit up properly. And you say,

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Speaker 1: they don't see this. They don't see two or three

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Speaker 1: tight ends, they don't see fullbacks in college. So um,

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Speaker 1: just being able to play downhill, the ability to fit

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Speaker 1: up and and and gap control for really the entire

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Speaker 1: front seven is something those guys don't have as much

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Speaker 1: experience at when you're seeing these different formations. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna definitely see a little copycat action

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Speaker 1: going on. All right, that's gonna do it for us today,

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Speaker 1: Buck jam packed episode. Want to thank Boomers Size and

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Speaker 1: for joining us. It was great to catch up with him.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed it. Want to thank

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Speaker 1: Nobille doing a great job producing this show. Can't always

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Speaker 1: helping us out as well, David Singer getting us the

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Speaker 1: best guests each and every week. Anything you want to

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Speaker 1: add before we get out of here, Buck, No, this

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Speaker 1: is great man. I just love talking about a team

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Speaker 1: building process in Boomers sas and was awesome. There you go.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us. Thank you guys. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you next time. Right here on, Move the sticks

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Speaker 1: four