WEBVTT - TRUMP BECOMES THE FIRST U.S. PRESIDENT TO LOSE A WAR! - 8.6.26

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to congratulate President Trump on becoming the first president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States to lose a war. There is

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<v Speaker 1>an Iran deal. It's Iran and Oman. Before Trump started

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<v Speaker 1>his vanity war in Iran, the Strait of Hormuz was opened,

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<v Speaker 1>there were no tolls. Now the Strait of Hormuz is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially co owned between Iran and Oman with tolls, which

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<v Speaker 1>increases prices on everything from a gallon of gas to

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<v Speaker 1>computer chips. Donald Trump did this. I'm so tired of

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<v Speaker 1>all the winning. There was no toll. Iran's regime was

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<v Speaker 1>aging out of exist distance and it was tottering, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was internal dissent against it. Now there is a

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<v Speaker 1>toll on the Strait of horror Mouz, and the world

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<v Speaker 1>economy has been upset, and Iran's regime has not only survived,

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<v Speaker 1>but it has a new revenue stream. Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>the first American president to lose a war. I mean, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't done one of these podcasts since May eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you still haven't gotten this schmuck out of office.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you all been doing the last eighty eight

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<v Speaker 1>days I had heart surgery. I have something of an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse here. The headlines are exactly the same as they

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<v Speaker 1>were in the podcast I did eighty eight days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The podcast on May eleventh was about how Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>still playing the political media like a two dollars banjo.

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<v Speaker 1>One day insisting he settled everything and there's about to

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<v Speaker 1>be some sort of deal, and the next day saying

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<v Speaker 1>he is going to blow Iran to hell. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same headline as May eleventh. And how many times has

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<v Speaker 1>it been the same headline since May eleventh? Forty times,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty times, sixty to eighty eight times. Doesn't anybody notice? No,

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<v Speaker 1>all the media every day ooh, he's about to sign

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<v Speaker 1>a piece deal. Then the next day, ooh, he's about

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<v Speaker 1>to blow them up real good. And then the price

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<v Speaker 1>of oil goes up, and his mafia, his gang, his

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<v Speaker 1>family of grifters, they sell all their oil futures when

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<v Speaker 1>the price goes up, and they make this huge profit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the next day he says he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>blow them up. And then the next day he says

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to make a deal, and the price goes

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<v Speaker 1>up the next day and they buy all the futures

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<v Speaker 1>back when the price goes down, and they keep repeating

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<v Speaker 1>this and making a profit by what's that phrase? I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've just invented this phrase. I've just invented a

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<v Speaker 1>new phrase called sell high and buy low. He's monetized war.

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<v Speaker 1>He's personally grifting off a war, and he's not even

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<v Speaker 1>trying to hide it anymore. He's now selling advanced access

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<v Speaker 1>to his own posts on tooth Social for one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a month to anybody stupid enough to do

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<v Speaker 1>that so they can join him on manipulating the stock

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<v Speaker 1>market and the world energy supply. Because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if investors and businessmen are the stupidest mforts in the

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<v Speaker 1>world or reporters are the stupidest mforts in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's goddamn close, isn't it. It could be either one.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly it's a tie. I mean sure he means it

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<v Speaker 1>this time. He didn't mean it the other eighty seven times.

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<v Speaker 1>If his victims had been this stupid boss, Tweed, the

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<v Speaker 1>infamous grifter of New York City of the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>would have stolen his first million and then stopped it

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<v Speaker 1>out of shame and gone and become a nun somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>The purpose of this originally was to update you on

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode of Countdown, when that might be, and

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about my health and the future of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast and my non linear recovery from surgery. But

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<v Speaker 1>I got a kind of sidetrack when I realized as

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<v Speaker 1>I prepared this that the headlines are exactly the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's worse. There's more about Iran and oil to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss on this point, and a stack of headlines, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Michigan primary and the New York Times platforming the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's trying to turn now not just CBS but

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<v Speaker 1>CBS and CNN into right wing propaganda. Thanks New York Times.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's more about Iran in a bigger sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the odd even gas rationing system is so Trump

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<v Speaker 1>can stretch it forever, to keep making money off of it,

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<v Speaker 1>to cover his Epstein file guilt, which must be worse

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<v Speaker 1>than we can possibly imagine, to cover Epstein, to keep

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<v Speaker 1>grifting and grafting, to pinion the other Republicans into defending him,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they may all lose their seats in the

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<v Speaker 1>midterms because they are on his side, and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>like this war, and it's in Trump's personal financial interest

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<v Speaker 1>to keep this going no matter what Oman and Iran

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<v Speaker 1>agree to. And then there's that bigger thing that has

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<v Speaker 1>occurred to me during my recuperation, the big picture, not

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<v Speaker 1>just the forest for the trees, what the media has missed,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're seeing the entire Amazon from space, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of big picture, and it's a fitting analogy. We forget.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot that this is actually bigger than Trump's hot

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<v Speaker 1>and cold running twenty four to seven threat to democracy

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<v Speaker 1>and to world peace. There's something bigger than Trump's threat

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<v Speaker 1>to American democracy and to stealing the twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>midterms and trying to stay in office. If that is

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<v Speaker 1>still on the table, I think he's still busy. You're

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<v Speaker 1>right now trying to stay alive and fix the helicopter pad,

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<v Speaker 1>which he didn't like and had it ripped out after

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, apparently because it was done by his pool boy,

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<v Speaker 1>just the way the reflecting pool was. This is about

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's other hot and cold literally running twenty four to

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<v Speaker 1>seven threat, which is to life on Earth. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is the leading person who could end the world, not tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>although he could do that too, that's not likely, but

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<v Speaker 1>long term, he is the major impediment to getting a

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<v Speaker 1>handle on climate change, just before it eludes our grasp forever,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is coming up next Thursday. Possibly if

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<v Speaker 1>you step back and look at everything that has happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looms larger even than the Republicans attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>make this a one party authoritarian state, looming larger than

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's incredible graft, incredible greed, incredible insanity, looming larger than

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<v Speaker 1>all that. The overarching theme is this re establishing fossil fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>making gas good again, making gas great again, magiga, making

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<v Speaker 1>us afraid to run out of it, driving the price

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<v Speaker 1>up to make it seem like, oh, it's a good thing,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's cheaper, let's use it, making the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>a gallon of gas more important than whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you can breathe that air out there, and whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not your children or your grandchildren will be smothered by

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<v Speaker 1>that air out there sooner rather than later, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they will be smothered by the atmosphere. It is

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<v Speaker 1>setting back the banning of fossil fuels, which we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do, or you know, I think I'll be long gone,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe not. Maybe this is actually going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>in the next couple of years, but some group of

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<v Speaker 1>our descendants, or perhaps the younger members of the audience

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<v Speaker 1>watching this right now, will be smothered to death, or

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<v Speaker 1>burned to death, or simply die of heat prostration because

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature of New York today one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven degrees, partly cloudy, traffic and weather after the break

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<v Speaker 1>for the list of people who collapsed on the street today.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only do you increase the scarcity element and the

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<v Speaker 1>positive pr image of gasoline, but you increase the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of war, so more weapons are built and more mindless

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<v Speaker 1>industries are propped up to profit owners, taking the money

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<v Speaker 1>from people than they're already vanishing chances of an improved life,

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<v Speaker 1>making them terrified of not long term disaster like climate

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<v Speaker 1>change or their country burning to the ground, or finding

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<v Speaker 1>food food, but finding fuel being able to drive to

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<v Speaker 1>the mall tonight. Our descendants and maybe US two will

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<v Speaker 1>die because Trump and MAGA and the wars in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East, and every subplot to every international news story

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<v Speaker 1>of the last eighty eight days contains some version of

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't do this, a gallon of gas is

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<v Speaker 1>going to cost more, and if you think at some

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<v Speaker 1>point that common sense will take over when we start

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<v Speaker 1>hearing a thousand Americans died today because of killer inversion

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<v Speaker 1>layers like they had in the fifties in Pittsburgh and Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>or in London because of coal smog. Tell me how

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of threat to our survival changed when COVID happened.

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<v Speaker 1>These moron magas and their equivalents around the world, like

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<v Speaker 1>these lizard people from Reform UK, are convinced that because

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<v Speaker 1>they personally didn't die from COVID, COVID wasn't a real threat.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were right, and all the people who graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from the fourth grade, we were all wrong. Only weak

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<v Speaker 1>people died of COVID, Only losers with bad genes, Only

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<v Speaker 1>minorities died of COVID. When climate change is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>just three bad stretches of green air in New York

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<v Speaker 1>because Canadian wildfires, but it's bad every day, and your

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<v Speaker 1>advice to stay indoors every day, These same people who

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<v Speaker 1>managed to successfully neuter the COVID impact on those who

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<v Speaker 1>did not actually get sick, will fall back to what

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<v Speaker 1>Trump said about the California wildfires and the French wildfires

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<v Speaker 1>and the Spanish wildfires and the British wildfires, and the

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<v Speaker 1>African wildfires and the Japanese wildfires that they occurred because

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<v Speaker 1>liberals in those liberal countries forgot to rake the forest. COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to replace COVID. COVID was in some senses,

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<v Speaker 1>a practice run for what they can do about climate

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<v Speaker 1>change and how they can stop us from saving the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>They're literally going to use pages one, seventeen, one, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine or whatever it is of Orwell's nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>and rewrite history. They're doing it right now. They try

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<v Speaker 1>to demonize Anthony Fauci at the hearing in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate, without whom half of MAGA and Trump would

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<v Speaker 1>have succumbed to that disease. You want to demonize Fauci,

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<v Speaker 1>ask him about how he feels that that that he

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<v Speaker 1>saved the Magas. Instead, they steal Fauci's diary. They use

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<v Speaker 1>it against him in a way that would have made

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCarthy say, I'm sorry, I can't do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do it long last, to have some decency,

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<v Speaker 1>they sit Fauci at a Senate hearing at the table

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<v Speaker 1>and they put Laura Ingram behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>To make.

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<v Speaker 1>Gestures at him with her face, which was genuinely brave.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say this, Laura was genuinely brave because

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<v Speaker 1>because if she makes too many faces, this face, her

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<v Speaker 1>newest one will shatter and fall off. Laura. As an aside,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to be talking more about my experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with Laura at the tail end of this podcast. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to persecute doctors, go after the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>made you look like mister ed I go away for

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight days and look at all the nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>has happened in the interim. The other headlines Michigan. If

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know who won the Democratic Senate primary in Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have found out based solely on the Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>GOP press release change. Abdul al Sayad became Abdul Rochman

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<v Speaker 1>al Sayad with horns overnight. They've already started calling him

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<v Speaker 1>that on Fox. All of the Republicans seated electeds are

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<v Speaker 1>calling him Abdul Rochman. Al sayed. By the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this it'll be Abdul Rochman Barack Hussein Obama Al sayed,

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<v Speaker 1>This is how bad a situation he faces and the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats face in Michigan and thus in the bid to

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<v Speaker 1>control the Senate, which is still a realistic possibility, numbers

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<v Speaker 1>of which I will mention in a moment Tom Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm quoting the reporter Patrick's vitec. Tom Smith, the

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<v Speaker 1>candidate who dropped out of the Michigan eighth District primary

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<v Speaker 1>for the Publican nomination for the House, is still poised

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<v Speaker 1>to defeat Trump's choice, Amir Hassan. Trump endorsed Amir Hassan,

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<v Speaker 1>but Tom Smith, who has dropped out, is going to

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<v Speaker 1>beat Amir Hassan because Amir Hassan's name is Amir Hassan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Republicans have gotten the subtext for the twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years since nine to eleven that anybody named Amir or

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<v Speaker 1>has the middle name Hussein or is Abdul el Sayed

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<v Speaker 1>personally did nine to eleven, except if they're from Saudi

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<v Speaker 1>Arabia and they're friends of Trump or Trump himself who

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<v Speaker 1>put his hands on the Middle Eastern orb, not the

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<v Speaker 1>only orb he grabbed without permission. But this is a

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<v Speaker 1>note that has to be read. He sent a handwritten

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<v Speaker 1>note tod this Tom Smith, who is going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a zombie Republican candidate in the Michigan eighth

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<v Speaker 1>He handwritten hand written note. See it, Dear FEC Inspector,

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<v Speaker 1>this is to notify you that the Tom Smith for

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<v Speaker 1>Congress was a late entry into the race for Michigan's

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<v Speaker 1>eighth congressional district and has raised only eighteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars through June thirtieth. We, therefore, per your email

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<v Speaker 1>to us on seventy nine, will not file a report

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<v Speaker 1>until the next deadline for filing. Signed with Thomas Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>and then underneath he writes Thomas J. Smith candidate, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the PS the pist Resistance. This is the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to be the nominee rather than someone named

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<v Speaker 1>Amir Hassan, who Trump actually likes. I could not file

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<v Speaker 1>this form electronically because I've had no success logging in

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<v Speaker 1>and have not been able to get a response from

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<v Speaker 1>the help desk, your Republican nominee for the eighth district

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan. That's the level of racism. And I'll say,

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<v Speaker 1>ed fights. Will this be easy? No? But I like

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<v Speaker 1>this guy because that word fights comes into play again.

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<v Speaker 1>He throws punches at Polley's I like those kinds of candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if their names are. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>going to throw it out there because somebody will just

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<v Speaker 1>used the clip, he said. Mike Rogers is running on

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<v Speaker 1>a pro data center platform so he can make more

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<v Speaker 1>AI videos of himself to look more manly.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Rodgers is the guy who wants to put a

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<v Speaker 3>data center in your backyard so he can make himself

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<v Speaker 3>feel a little bit more manly by making an AI video.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Rogers is a guy who has never shot away

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<v Speaker 3>from a corporation he could do a favor for. Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Rodgers is a guy who, believe it or not, went

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<v Speaker 3>back to Florida so he can lick every single boot

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump owns to beg for his endorsement.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry. If you want a senator who's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>lick some boots, fine go vote for Mike Rogers.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you want a senator who's going to stand

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<v Speaker 3>up to Donald Trump, then you've got your option right here.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this guy. He thinks he's going to beat

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<v Speaker 1>MAGA and the Republicans by seven I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's an exaggeration. He also thought he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>win the primary by about that much, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>and no, Michigan is not New York City, and l

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<v Speaker 1>say it is not the smiling face of Mamdani who

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<v Speaker 1>so far the only complaints about Mamdani are outside of

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<v Speaker 1>New York. But I'll say it makes a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>If all Rogers has is essentially my name is Mike

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<v Speaker 1>and his name is a scary Muslim name like Abdul,

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<v Speaker 1>that does not change the fact that he is the

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<v Speaker 1>Abdul who is trying to lower food prices and get

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<v Speaker 1>jobs for people who live in Michigan. On the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the coin, in Arizona, Katie Hobbs is going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a moderate Republican as her lieutenant governor, a

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<v Speaker 1>former mayor of one of the Phoenix suburbs, if I

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<v Speaker 1>got that correct. And the reason she's doing that is

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Biggs is the Republican nominee for governor, and Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Biggs is a lunatic insurrectionist Trump whore, So doing this

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<v Speaker 1>would be a dumb capitulation to MAGA and Republicans and

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<v Speaker 1>implying that they will be welcomed back if and when

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<v Speaker 1>we purge this country correctly of the Maga disease, not

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<v Speaker 1>the people, just the disease. But in Arizona, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great move. It's exactly the right move. You would think

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<v Speaker 1>that AlSi Ed if he were running for governor of Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>even if he was the seated governor of Arizona, would

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<v Speaker 1>do something very much like this because it's a brilliant move.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be dumb anywhere else. But if you give

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<v Speaker 1>non crazy Republicans a chance to climb down from Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when their choice is Andy Efing Biggs, and what

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<v Speaker 1>do you need really, out of all the Republicans in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you need ten percent of them, five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of them to make it a democratic landslide? So I

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<v Speaker 1>think the situation is good. And a midterms forecast from

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<v Speaker 1>strength in numbers and verisite. This is g Elliott Morris,

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<v Speaker 1>the X five thirty eight guy. This was before Alsayed's

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<v Speaker 1>victory in Michigan, but I think this was baked into

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<v Speaker 1>his forecast. And again it's a it's polling interpreted with

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<v Speaker 1>some math applied to it and then turned into forecasting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just read what Elliot Morris wrote, Today's the day

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<v Speaker 1>we've all been waiting for. If you're reading this, that

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<v Speaker 1>means we finished dotting our eyes and crossing our tees.

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<v Speaker 1>Just published our shiny State of the Art twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six congressional election forecast at six am Eastern August three.

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<v Speaker 1>We give the Democrats an eighty five percent chance to

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<v Speaker 1>win the majority in the US House of Representatives and

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty five percent chance to win control of the Senate. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember this is the Democratic Party. We still have a

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<v Speaker 1>keen Jeffries and Chuck Schumer to deal with our largest opponents.

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<v Speaker 1>But and the Democratic Party has a tradition of being

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<v Speaker 1>able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Fingers crossed,

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<v Speaker 1>because if we don't, if we don't pull this off,

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<v Speaker 1>the planet out there is going to burn to the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and through the ground, there won't be any ground left.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye. It's really terrible when the best answer I

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<v Speaker 1>have to all of the situation with climate change is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sixty seven and a half years old. Now I did,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did my best. You got something better to do?

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<v Speaker 1>It's your please, go ahead, right ahead, you take it over,

0:20:47.075 --> 0:20:51.595
<v Speaker 1>take over this podcast the other headlines, as I promised. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I didn't have surgery, I didn't take time off,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't contemplate, not resuming the podcast. Eighty eight days later,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times screwed up again. They have platform

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<v Speaker 1>David Ellison. New York Times platforming David Ellison, the scumbag

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<v Speaker 1>without ethics and without eyebrows, the man that Forbes magazine

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<v Speaker 1>called a NEPO baby, says his father is worth two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred ninety billion dollars, called him, actually called him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a pro pro fascist, pro corporate publication like Forbes,

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<v Speaker 1>called him a NEPO baby. I mean, I presume it

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<v Speaker 1>was meant as a compliment between them. He and his

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<v Speaker 1>father now control CBS News, having killed off the people

0:21:41.835 --> 0:21:44.595
<v Speaker 1>who actually made it news, and they want to do

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<v Speaker 1>the day the same. CNN two hundred ninety billion and

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<v Speaker 1>a series of attorneys general around the country are holding

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<v Speaker 1>this off until probably next year. They're worth two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety billion dollars. And the Times let him make

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<v Speaker 1>himself into a victim, David Ellison, so he could spout

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<v Speaker 1>in an op ed about how this is all okay

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<v Speaker 1>and he hates people who would try to minute the

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<v Speaker 1>news and he has just not been able to get

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<v Speaker 1>his own story out in the liberal media. Here we

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<v Speaker 1>go again. He owns CBS now and he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>own CNN and he has no way to get this out.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Daddy are only worth two hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. They're just these marginalized silence victimized by the

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<v Speaker 1>liberal media.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm up here on the cross the liberal media,

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<v Speaker 4>the liberal media that is owned by conservative corporations and

0:22:40.835 --> 0:22:45.635
<v Speaker 4>isn't the slightest bit liberal. And the Times platform this

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<v Speaker 4>shithead so he could insist in The New York Times

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<v Speaker 4>that he would never turn CNN into a conservative crapshack

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<v Speaker 4>spouting nonsensical maga conspiracy theories. After he turned CBS into

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<v Speaker 4>a conservative crap shack spouting nonsensical maga conscspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>Never do it again. This too is unchanged after eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight days. The people at the Times do not understand.

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<v Speaker 1>They live here too. Related to the Times, the Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>Haberman book, Maggie Haberman is a great reporter. Maggie Haberman

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<v Speaker 1>is a terrible American. I'm sorry. This is her latest

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on Trump's belief that he has been chosen to

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<v Speaker 1>do what he is doing. Preserved. Oh, he looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's been preserved, but chosen by Trump doesn't believe in God,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he does believe in God, it's God is

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<v Speaker 1>his assistant. But Trump's belief that he has been chosen

0:23:47.835 --> 0:23:52.035
<v Speaker 1>by the universe, that his ideas are now right because

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<v Speaker 1>they are his ideas. She writes, quote, you are shot

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<v Speaker 1>at you survive. You have taken on this mystical quality

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<v Speaker 1>with not just your followers, but with your advisors who

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<v Speaker 1>refer to him or then any way would refer to

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<v Speaker 1>him as the chosen one, only semi joking in some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>And you believe everything works out for you, which is

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<v Speaker 1>literally what he said to Tucker Carlson. She writes, you

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<v Speaker 1>know why the Iran war is going to work out,

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<v Speaker 1>That things are going to work out because they always do.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Haberman continues, you believe that your reality is

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<v Speaker 1>better than the experts and what the experts have been

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<v Speaker 1>telling you. He thinks the economy is boring. He literally

0:24:31.995 --> 0:24:34.955
<v Speaker 1>will tell advisors he finds this boring to talk about.

0:24:35.435 --> 0:24:38.595
<v Speaker 1>He wants to talk about immigrants committing rape or murdering people,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's going to do what he wants to do. Look,

0:24:41.875 --> 0:24:44.595
<v Speaker 1>he obviously doesn't want to get impeached again. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say again unimpeached. It stops mattering as much,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, to some extent in his head. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>that is from the book, and a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>quote is from an interview about the book. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>great reporting by Maggie Haberman. Did she put this in

0:25:02.755 --> 0:25:08.835
<v Speaker 1>The New York Times? No, it's in a book about

0:25:08.875 --> 0:25:13.035
<v Speaker 1>stuff that happened last year. Because no matter how fast

0:25:13.155 --> 0:25:16.235
<v Speaker 1>you can do it now, a book can't be printed overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if we had a medium that could be

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<v Speaker 1>printed overnight or instantaneously, what would we call that? A newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. Some of the stuff she wrote about in

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<v Speaker 1>that book was from before the election. This isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>cowardice or a mortgage that you have to pay and

0:25:35.235 --> 0:25:37.915
<v Speaker 1>you're worried about whether or not your management will support

0:25:37.955 --> 0:25:40.795
<v Speaker 1>you when crunch time comes, or sell you out to

0:25:40.875 --> 0:25:47.435
<v Speaker 1>Trump like everybody at CBS, like is coming to NBC

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<v Speaker 1>and ABC. This is what we used to refer to

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<v Speaker 1>as double dipping. You have a goddamned job to report

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<v Speaker 1>the news, Maggie Haberman, report the fucking news news is today.

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<v Speaker 1>You get stuff like this, you don't keep it a

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<v Speaker 1>secret to make more money off of it later. You

0:26:07.235 --> 0:26:13.715
<v Speaker 1>put it out, it's news, that's news. Shameful, great reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible American sixty Minutes. The new executive producer of this program,

0:26:17.795 --> 0:26:21.275
<v Speaker 1>which is in fact going to try to go on

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<v Speaker 1>the air within a month two months tops, is named

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Bilton. They are proceeding, according to several different media reporters,

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<v Speaker 1>They are proceeding reportedly without enough stories in the works

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<v Speaker 1>to create a new season of sixty Minutes. And before

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<v Speaker 1>I go any further on this, what the fuck kind

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<v Speaker 1>of name is Nick Bilton? Does he have a sister

0:26:46.075 --> 0:26:51.555
<v Speaker 1>named Paris Bilton or Schmaris Bilton? Is he associated with

0:26:51.595 --> 0:26:58.355
<v Speaker 1>the famous Bilton hotels? Nick Bilton, if that is your

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<v Speaker 1>real name, said, there were plenty of people who knew

0:27:01.715 --> 0:27:04.355
<v Speaker 1>the mechanics of putting sixty Minutes on. He would never

0:27:04.515 --> 0:27:09.635
<v Speaker 1>enter fear with that. He doesn't understand. They don't understand.

0:27:10.515 --> 0:27:13.235
<v Speaker 1>Conservatives don't understand. People who have not been in television

0:27:13.235 --> 0:27:19.315
<v Speaker 1>don't understand. The worst producer in the world, whom I hate,

0:27:19.315 --> 0:27:22.795
<v Speaker 1>whoever that happens to be. I have always had sympathy

0:27:22.835 --> 0:27:25.715
<v Speaker 1>and to some degree, empathy with for one reason alone.

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<v Speaker 1>A TV show doesn't just happen. It's not like the weather,

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<v Speaker 1>the chief, the showrunner, the Nick Bilton, of any operation

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<v Speaker 1>between the level of sixty minutes and news eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Keyakook Iowa is in charge of making the five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>things that have to happen and have to happen accurately

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<v Speaker 1>and in the correct sequence to keep any show on

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<v Speaker 1>any television anywhere on television without things catching the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean that literally. I was on a show

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<v Speaker 1>once in Boston where the control room caught fire. We

0:28:07.035 --> 0:28:11.995
<v Speaker 1>stayed on the air. He Nick Bilton is in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of those mechanics at sixty minutes and any left over time,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could meddle with the content. Most people

0:28:19.755 --> 0:28:22.275
<v Speaker 1>who run shows like that, if they have spare time

0:28:22.315 --> 0:28:25.435
<v Speaker 1>after making sure the thing doesn't fall apart, they just drink.

0:28:26.955 --> 0:28:31.235
<v Speaker 1>Three generations of fascist propagandists have been raised to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the shows on TV are the way they are

0:28:35.515 --> 0:28:41.595
<v Speaker 1>because there are secret liberal political operatives who are there bribing, cheating,

0:28:41.715 --> 0:28:45.315
<v Speaker 1>and stealing staff and guests and reporters to doctor the

0:28:45.355 --> 0:28:50.795
<v Speaker 1>content and fabricate ratings and sell advertisements for less than

0:28:50.795 --> 0:28:54.075
<v Speaker 1>they claim and lie about profits that if only they

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<v Speaker 1>could get rid of the liberals that diligent conservatives would

0:28:57.955 --> 0:29:02.475
<v Speaker 1>find the truth the liberals have buried. This goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to well before Fox News. This is back to the

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<v Speaker 1>pre Rush limbaw days when there was a guy like

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<v Speaker 1>this in every city who believed this was true, that

0:29:12.795 --> 0:29:16.355
<v Speaker 1>the liberal media was there through bribery and dishonesty. And

0:29:16.395 --> 0:29:18.595
<v Speaker 1>they still are everywhere. But originally it was just a

0:29:18.635 --> 0:29:21.515
<v Speaker 1>guy named Pine in La and another one named Wally

0:29:21.595 --> 0:29:25.075
<v Speaker 1>George whose daughter was a famous actress. But they were

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<v Speaker 1>people all over the place. When I was an intern

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<v Speaker 1>at Channel five in New York, we had doctor Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Abend who believed all this stuff and said it every

0:29:32.155 --> 0:29:34.555
<v Speaker 1>night perfectly. Nice man used to come in and do

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<v Speaker 1>commentaries and debates on the news. Lovely guy used to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in his infant son and then would explain that

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<v Speaker 1>none of what you were seeing in the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the newscast was real as all the result of bribery.

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<v Speaker 1>They believed this, and they believe that. More importantly, they

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the mechanics of doing the show takes care

0:29:52.795 --> 0:29:56.995
<v Speaker 1>of itself. They think that if they knock the liberals off,

0:29:57.035 --> 0:29:59.235
<v Speaker 1>they will get a conservative sixty minutes, when all they

0:29:59.235 --> 0:30:03.155
<v Speaker 1>will get is shit. Which nobody, not even conservatives, will

0:30:03.195 --> 0:30:05.555
<v Speaker 1>watch because they are never going to watch because they've

0:30:05.555 --> 0:30:09.955
<v Speaker 1>been trained not to watch CBS. Good luck, Nicky Bilton.

0:30:11.075 --> 0:30:15.995
<v Speaker 1>The fundamental principle of conservativism is the details. Take care

0:30:16.035 --> 0:30:20.195
<v Speaker 1>of themselves. There are plenty of wage slaves to do

0:30:20.395 --> 0:30:27.115
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. We elite, superhuman conservatives are supposed

0:30:27.155 --> 0:30:29.915
<v Speaker 1>to decide what color the curtains should be, and what

0:30:30.035 --> 0:30:33.875
<v Speaker 1>the exact pattern on the helipad should be, and when

0:30:33.995 --> 0:30:39.875
<v Speaker 1>we will fire judge Janine for telling the truth because

0:30:39.915 --> 0:30:42.595
<v Speaker 1>we hired the pool boy to fix the reflecting pool.

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<v Speaker 1>But we could blame it on Jonathan Carl. This is

0:30:46.555 --> 0:30:52.675
<v Speaker 1>why they fail. Bilton's idea is Trump's idea is Musk's idea.

0:30:53.115 --> 0:30:57.395
<v Speaker 1>I think big, you figure out the details, wage slave.

0:30:57.795 --> 0:31:00.035
<v Speaker 1>So Nick Bilton doesn't realize that every TV show is

0:31:00.075 --> 0:31:05.195
<v Speaker 1>a near miss with disaster, every single one of them.

0:31:05.355 --> 0:31:07.195
<v Speaker 1>I'll go into more detail about this later, but I

0:31:07.195 --> 0:31:09.395
<v Speaker 1>had a heart problem and I attended. I was waiting

0:31:09.395 --> 0:31:12.595
<v Speaker 1>for the diagnosis that said, yeah, we have significant signs

0:31:12.595 --> 0:31:15.395
<v Speaker 1>of you doing television too long, showing up in your ekg.

0:31:17.195 --> 0:31:21.435
<v Speaker 1>It's like Trump with everything, particularly in the second term

0:31:21.435 --> 0:31:24.755
<v Speaker 1>when he got rid of all the professionals. The departments

0:31:24.795 --> 0:31:28.075
<v Speaker 1>don't manage themselves. They are not small details. They are

0:31:28.115 --> 0:31:32.955
<v Speaker 1>the details upon which life is based. Musk does not know.

0:31:32.995 --> 0:31:35.515
<v Speaker 1>You need a high school degree, or your fucking rocket

0:31:35.555 --> 0:31:38.395
<v Speaker 1>will blow up again, or the debris will crash into

0:31:38.435 --> 0:31:41.395
<v Speaker 1>the moon. Hey, that's great. Look we can study the impact.

0:31:41.955 --> 0:31:44.315
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have people living on the moon. What if

0:31:44.355 --> 0:31:46.795
<v Speaker 1>the debris from all of his other rockets crashes into

0:31:46.835 --> 0:31:50.275
<v Speaker 1>the moon. What are you gonna do then, Oh, you

0:31:50.275 --> 0:31:53.595
<v Speaker 1>will send out a metavac helicopter to save them. Yeah,

0:31:53.595 --> 0:31:58.075
<v Speaker 1>it'll be there in six months. Rub some dirt into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to this Nick Bilton. Nick Bilton called the sixty

0:32:03.555 --> 0:32:09.355
<v Speaker 1>Minutes job the opportunity of a lifetime. That's true, not

0:32:09.475 --> 0:32:14.755
<v Speaker 1>his lifetime. Norah O'Donnell signed up with this. Nora O'Donnell,

0:32:14.755 --> 0:32:17.515
<v Speaker 1>whose first major assignment at NBC was with my original

0:32:17.675 --> 0:32:21.795
<v Speaker 1>MSNBC show in nineteen ninety seven. Shame on you. I'm

0:32:21.835 --> 0:32:25.515
<v Speaker 1>ashamed to know you. I'm sorry I ever helped you.

0:32:26.475 --> 0:32:29.715
<v Speaker 1>Leslie stall Worth, time Whittaker are staying so that sixty

0:32:29.755 --> 0:32:34.115
<v Speaker 1>Minutes doesn't die. It's dead now, it's dead now. If

0:32:34.155 --> 0:32:36.955
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't dead, before it was dead the day they

0:32:37.035 --> 0:32:40.795
<v Speaker 1>hired away Russ do that or don't do that? From

0:32:40.835 --> 0:32:48.435
<v Speaker 1>the Times that slug. What happens when other people like

0:32:48.515 --> 0:32:52.875
<v Speaker 1>this slug Russdothos sign up to do whatever Barry Weiss does.

0:32:53.155 --> 0:32:56.435
<v Speaker 1>What happens to Stall and Whittaker and Worth time and

0:32:56.515 --> 0:32:59.315
<v Speaker 1>it becomes pleasing to Trump's Trump says something about he

0:32:59.395 --> 0:33:02.155
<v Speaker 1>loves the new sixty minutes. And then they fire Leslie Stall,

0:33:02.315 --> 0:33:05.315
<v Speaker 1>and they fire Nora O'Donnell, and they fire everybody else.

0:33:05.315 --> 0:33:09.395
<v Speaker 1>You decided they could rationalize cooperating and collaborating with the fascists.

0:33:10.075 --> 0:33:13.395
<v Speaker 1>You know what happens when everybody signs up with it's

0:33:13.915 --> 0:33:18.275
<v Speaker 1>I'm Russ Douthat, and I'm Kirsten Cinema, and I'm Chris

0:33:18.355 --> 0:33:22.155
<v Speaker 1>Lickt and now I'm Nick Fuentes. And this is sixty minutes,

0:33:24.755 --> 0:33:28.755
<v Speaker 1>by the way, sixty minutes. Barry Weiss is cutting it

0:33:28.795 --> 0:33:33.235
<v Speaker 1>back to seventeen minutes because MAGA can't count higher than that.

0:33:42.875 --> 0:33:46.155
<v Speaker 1>I happen to like that last joke. A lot. More

0:33:46.235 --> 0:33:49.035
<v Speaker 1>media fail and more stupid quotes. Nick Fuentes, who I

0:33:49.195 --> 0:33:53.075
<v Speaker 1>just mentioned Nick Fuentes quote, I want white people to

0:33:53.075 --> 0:33:56.155
<v Speaker 1>have power. I want white billionaires that know they're white

0:33:56.195 --> 0:34:00.355
<v Speaker 1>and are fighting as whites. I want white politicians, judges, lawyers, businessmen,

0:34:00.635 --> 0:34:02.875
<v Speaker 1>donors that know they are white, fighting on behalf of

0:34:02.915 --> 0:34:10.795
<v Speaker 1>white civilization. It's the Dave Chappelle sketch. His name is Poentes,

0:34:12.315 --> 0:34:18.035
<v Speaker 1>Poor Nick. Nobody's ever told him that most of MAGA

0:34:18.035 --> 0:34:23.035
<v Speaker 1>doesn't think he's white because his name is Poentes. Then

0:34:23.075 --> 0:34:25.595
<v Speaker 1>there is one of the joys of my time off

0:34:25.755 --> 0:34:31.395
<v Speaker 1>the continuing car fire, that is Stephen A. Smith. Stephen Smith,

0:34:32.155 --> 0:34:37.715
<v Speaker 1>who was not told that he is utterly uninformed. He

0:34:37.755 --> 0:34:41.635
<v Speaker 1>has now slammed trans rites because of his deep concern

0:34:42.275 --> 0:34:46.715
<v Speaker 1>for the integrity of the WNBA. Stephen A. Smith who

0:34:46.755 --> 0:34:51.675
<v Speaker 1>a month ago couldn't have spelled WNBA nor told you

0:34:52.115 --> 0:34:56.555
<v Speaker 1>what they did there. The Financial Times Joshua Franklin had

0:34:56.635 --> 0:34:58.515
<v Speaker 1>lunch with Steven A. Smith. I can tell you who

0:34:58.555 --> 0:35:03.835
<v Speaker 1>didn't pay Quote sports broadcaster Stephen A. Smith, who's outspoken

0:35:03.875 --> 0:35:10.035
<v Speaker 1>commentary that increasingly includes politics and influence have drawn comparisons

0:35:10.075 --> 0:35:17.875
<v Speaker 1>to Joe Rogan. Stephen A. Smith makes Joe Rogan sound

0:35:17.955 --> 0:35:26.235
<v Speaker 1>like Walter Lippmann and the commentaries. The influential political commentary

0:35:26.235 --> 0:35:30.435
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Smith shows more political insight in his car shield

0:35:31.075 --> 0:35:34.395
<v Speaker 1>commercials than he does in his commentaries. I have a

0:35:34.435 --> 0:35:36.475
<v Speaker 1>sports note here. I'm going to have a sports section

0:35:36.555 --> 0:35:38.955
<v Speaker 1>after the first break, but I have to mention the

0:35:38.995 --> 0:35:43.395
<v Speaker 1>World Cup because Trump actually failed to buy it. That

0:35:43.515 --> 0:35:45.235
<v Speaker 1>was what this has all been about the last couple

0:35:45.275 --> 0:35:48.115
<v Speaker 1>of weeks. This idea of privatizing part of it. The

0:35:48.195 --> 0:35:51.875
<v Speaker 1>man who tried to sell it to Trump's son in

0:35:52.035 --> 0:35:57.035
<v Speaker 1>law's brother. This would have been Trump related financial force

0:35:57.115 --> 0:35:59.115
<v Speaker 1>to take over at number nine hundred and thirty nine

0:35:59.195 --> 0:36:05.995
<v Speaker 1>or something. Johnny Infantino FIFA Peace Prize. Johnny will lose

0:36:06.035 --> 0:36:11.475
<v Speaker 1>his job because people stood up to him and trump Ism.

0:36:11.755 --> 0:36:15.875
<v Speaker 1>People around the world, nobody here, but throughout Europe. And

0:36:15.915 --> 0:36:19.155
<v Speaker 1>then to the surprise, particularly of Johnny Infantino, who thought

0:36:19.155 --> 0:36:23.395
<v Speaker 1>he had all of the smaller, more bedraggled soccer federations

0:36:23.395 --> 0:36:25.155
<v Speaker 1>in the world lined up to support him, no matter

0:36:25.195 --> 0:36:30.235
<v Speaker 1>what he did, they all bailed on him too. Draw

0:36:30.315 --> 0:36:33.755
<v Speaker 1>a line in the sand against Trump and Trumpists, and

0:36:33.955 --> 0:36:38.835
<v Speaker 1>they will roll up and die because they are bullies,

0:36:39.235 --> 0:36:41.435
<v Speaker 1>and bullies don't know what happens when they get punched

0:36:41.435 --> 0:36:47.035
<v Speaker 1>in the face. Now, Johnny and Fantino will have to

0:36:47.035 --> 0:36:49.395
<v Speaker 1>go back to his previous occupation, which I understood was

0:36:49.435 --> 0:36:53.275
<v Speaker 1>standing on street corners showing how his shiny cubeall noggin

0:36:53.715 --> 0:36:58.235
<v Speaker 1>was perfectly circular, and hoping that people would pass by

0:36:58.515 --> 0:37:00.595
<v Speaker 1>and be so impressed by this that they would throw

0:37:00.675 --> 0:37:03.475
<v Speaker 1>nickels at him see if they could bounce them off

0:37:03.515 --> 0:37:08.835
<v Speaker 1>his perfectly shiny circular cueball mug. Of course, there's a

0:37:08.875 --> 0:37:11.315
<v Speaker 1>second part that's actually important about the World Cup that

0:37:11.355 --> 0:37:14.275
<v Speaker 1>may have been the last one, if not one of

0:37:14.315 --> 0:37:17.355
<v Speaker 1>the last ones. Hope you enjoyed it. This one. They

0:37:17.435 --> 0:37:20.315
<v Speaker 1>lucked out largely with the weather. But this is about

0:37:20.315 --> 0:37:24.435
<v Speaker 1>the coming elimination of daytime sports here, and when I

0:37:24.475 --> 0:37:27.235
<v Speaker 1>say here, I mean Earth, because it's going to be

0:37:27.235 --> 0:37:31.675
<v Speaker 1>too damn hot, not just to play, but to practice,

0:37:31.715 --> 0:37:33.995
<v Speaker 1>not just to practice, but for kids to take up

0:37:34.075 --> 0:37:37.995
<v Speaker 1>games that involve going out there to do soccer or

0:37:38.075 --> 0:37:43.915
<v Speaker 1>baseball or football or anything else. Too hot. One soccer expert,

0:37:44.235 --> 0:37:48.075
<v Speaker 1>a professional, suggested at a public conference looking towards the

0:37:48.075 --> 0:37:51.755
<v Speaker 1>future of sports that the number of countries going to

0:37:51.795 --> 0:37:55.075
<v Speaker 1>the Olympics will drop in the next decade by twenty

0:37:55.115 --> 0:37:58.835
<v Speaker 1>percent because the nation's at the equator and some not

0:37:58.995 --> 0:38:02.715
<v Speaker 1>at the equator. Will be dropping out because their players

0:38:02.755 --> 0:38:06.635
<v Speaker 1>will not be able to practice, let alone play during

0:38:06.675 --> 0:38:09.995
<v Speaker 1>the day or at night, and the developmental programs will

0:38:09.995 --> 0:38:12.035
<v Speaker 1>all dry up because no kid will want to go

0:38:12.075 --> 0:38:15.035
<v Speaker 1>out and play outside. And we are not at meltdown

0:38:15.195 --> 0:38:18.475
<v Speaker 1>yet on this subject. But in terms of professional sports,

0:38:18.755 --> 0:38:23.235
<v Speaker 1>it is already nearly too hot to play competitively this summer,

0:38:23.275 --> 0:38:25.795
<v Speaker 1>and we are far from it being over. Major League

0:38:25.795 --> 0:38:29.755
<v Speaker 1>Baseball games have been rescheduled, timings have been changed this

0:38:29.795 --> 0:38:34.155
<v Speaker 1>summer because of poor air quality. The climate crisis is here.

0:38:34.795 --> 0:38:36.635
<v Speaker 1>We may be able to ignore it for weeks and

0:38:36.675 --> 0:38:41.715
<v Speaker 1>even months at a time, but it is here. But happily,

0:38:43.675 --> 0:38:46.955
<v Speaker 1>when players start dying mid game and when the last

0:38:47.075 --> 0:38:50.715
<v Speaker 1>game is played in the last sport, y'll still be

0:38:50.795 --> 0:39:02.875
<v Speaker 1>able to bet on it. Speaking of collapsing, let me

0:39:02.915 --> 0:39:04.995
<v Speaker 1>give you a little update on my health as we

0:39:05.075 --> 0:39:09.315
<v Speaker 1>close this segment and the podcast's future. I don't have

0:39:09.355 --> 0:39:11.355
<v Speaker 1>any answers, I just wanted to update you on it.

0:39:11.635 --> 0:39:15.235
<v Speaker 1>I did this podcast as a test, a stress test

0:39:15.555 --> 0:39:19.675
<v Speaker 1>how much stress could I handle, and adding the video element.

0:39:19.755 --> 0:39:23.995
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening and not watching the YouTube version, the

0:39:24.035 --> 0:39:27.115
<v Speaker 1>first hour or so is on video, so you get

0:39:27.155 --> 0:39:30.635
<v Speaker 1>to see all sorts of stuff and it probably doesn't

0:39:30.675 --> 0:39:32.955
<v Speaker 1>sound what should but I'm doing the best I can.

0:39:33.355 --> 0:39:36.275
<v Speaker 1>So I had an ablation on June second, and it

0:39:36.355 --> 0:39:38.395
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like much. That they go in and they

0:39:38.475 --> 0:39:41.035
<v Speaker 1>go in through your groin, which is not as much

0:39:41.355 --> 0:39:43.795
<v Speaker 1>as not as much fun as it sounds at first blush.

0:39:43.995 --> 0:39:46.275
<v Speaker 1>They going through your groin and they stick filaments up

0:39:46.275 --> 0:39:49.715
<v Speaker 1>through your bloodstream and they then light part of your

0:39:49.715 --> 0:39:54.475
<v Speaker 1>heart on fire to get a better heartbeat going. Because

0:39:54.475 --> 0:39:56.755
<v Speaker 1>I had a FIB apparently for thirty years off and

0:39:56.795 --> 0:40:01.075
<v Speaker 1>on and it was never diagnosed. Surprise, you told me

0:40:01.155 --> 0:40:06.195
<v Speaker 1>that weird thump was my murmur. Oh I was wrong.

0:40:07.595 --> 0:40:10.715
<v Speaker 1>So it's been a totally non linear recovery. The first

0:40:10.835 --> 0:40:15.035
<v Speaker 1>check up, the first EKG and nonlinear recoveries are standard

0:40:15.035 --> 0:40:16.555
<v Speaker 1>for this. Some people go in and they get it

0:40:16.595 --> 0:40:19.635
<v Speaker 1>done and they feel better within hours. That was not

0:40:19.675 --> 0:40:22.515
<v Speaker 1>the case. They don't even check for three months. So

0:40:22.595 --> 0:40:24.875
<v Speaker 1>I will not have my first check up until the

0:40:24.995 --> 0:40:27.315
<v Speaker 1>end of August. I have no idea if it worked

0:40:27.395 --> 0:40:29.275
<v Speaker 1>or if it didn't work, or how much it worked.

0:40:30.475 --> 0:40:33.075
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see in doing this what the deadlines

0:40:33.075 --> 0:40:35.795
<v Speaker 1>would do to me, if the dogs would cooperate, and

0:40:35.835 --> 0:40:39.755
<v Speaker 1>they have up until this point quiet down. I wanted

0:40:39.755 --> 0:40:42.835
<v Speaker 1>to see what research and especially the physical aspects of

0:40:42.875 --> 0:40:45.075
<v Speaker 1>announcing would be, and we already know what the stress

0:40:45.355 --> 0:40:47.955
<v Speaker 1>of the madness of King Trump is. I do find

0:40:48.235 --> 0:40:50.235
<v Speaker 1>the format that I have described in which I am

0:40:50.435 --> 0:40:52.795
<v Speaker 1>talking to camera is a little bit more fun than

0:40:52.875 --> 0:40:56.075
<v Speaker 1>just doing the audio version, but both would continue. Hopefully

0:40:56.115 --> 0:40:57.635
<v Speaker 1>I get the all clear when I go in and

0:40:57.635 --> 0:41:00.435
<v Speaker 1>see my doctor, and I will give my doctor credit

0:41:00.475 --> 0:41:03.115
<v Speaker 1>for this. The procedure was such that they wheeled me

0:41:03.195 --> 0:41:07.115
<v Speaker 1>into the OAR at a fifteen am on June second,

0:41:07.395 --> 0:41:10.035
<v Speaker 1>I got into the r I got into the Uber

0:41:10.115 --> 0:41:13.995
<v Speaker 1>home at twelve thirty pm, four hours and fifteen minutes

0:41:14.195 --> 0:41:17.875
<v Speaker 1>soup to nuts for heart surgery, and the last two

0:41:17.875 --> 0:41:20.035
<v Speaker 1>hours of that was them just looking at me to

0:41:20.035 --> 0:41:23.675
<v Speaker 1>see if I exploded or something and I didn't. Hopefully

0:41:23.715 --> 0:41:26.235
<v Speaker 1>I get the all clear. We can resume around Labor

0:41:26.355 --> 0:41:31.875
<v Speaker 1>Day with actual video. So I wanted you to enjoy

0:41:32.515 --> 0:41:35.115
<v Speaker 1>this one last look here because it'll be a while.

0:41:35.115 --> 0:41:37.435
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not going to do this weekly or anything.

0:41:37.475 --> 0:41:39.475
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm going to wait to see what

0:41:39.475 --> 0:41:43.355
<v Speaker 1>the doctors say. And also, if you're watching this, posthumously,

0:41:43.395 --> 0:41:45.555
<v Speaker 1>and I mean me posthumously. You know that I did

0:41:45.635 --> 0:41:48.955
<v Speaker 1>not handle the stress correctly, and we'll refine things like

0:41:48.995 --> 0:41:52.155
<v Speaker 1>the microphone and the audio on the video. But I

0:41:52.155 --> 0:41:53.595
<v Speaker 1>did want you to have a good look at the

0:41:53.675 --> 0:42:02.075
<v Speaker 1>dog's living room there. It is also of interest here

0:42:02.275 --> 0:42:07.075
<v Speaker 1>Laura Ingram sitting behind somebody looking around him, giving weird looks,

0:42:07.675 --> 0:42:10.155
<v Speaker 1>acting as if she were impaired or had one too many.

0:42:11.115 --> 0:42:16.155
<v Speaker 1>The Tony Fauci hearing were the many faces of Laura Ankrim.

0:42:17.875 --> 0:42:20.635
<v Speaker 1>Why does it seem so efing familiar to me? Why

0:42:20.675 --> 0:42:26.035
<v Speaker 1>does it seem so fing familiar to me? Also? Mind

0:42:26.075 --> 0:42:30.195
<v Speaker 1>if I whip out my Honess Wagner and these two

0:42:30.275 --> 0:42:32.515
<v Speaker 1>stories are not connected in any way, shape or form.

0:42:32.595 --> 0:42:39.155
<v Speaker 1>That's next. This is countdown. This is countdown with Keith

0:42:39.675 --> 0:42:59.915
<v Speaker 1>Olberman Oberman. This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore.

0:43:00.715 --> 0:43:08.795
<v Speaker 1>This is countdown with Keith Ulberman from Sportsball Center tonight

0:43:09.435 --> 0:43:13.235
<v Speaker 1>the Big Show. Not exactly. I know you did not

0:43:13.355 --> 0:43:16.035
<v Speaker 1>wait eighty eight days to hear me talk again to

0:43:16.075 --> 0:43:18.555
<v Speaker 1>hear me talk about sports. But there are two significant

0:43:18.595 --> 0:43:21.675
<v Speaker 1>developments in sports, one of which is focused on me.

0:43:22.275 --> 0:43:24.875
<v Speaker 1>So I thought perhaps I should take this opportunity. If

0:43:24.915 --> 0:43:28.675
<v Speaker 1>this is indeed the last episode of Countdown, we'll find

0:43:28.715 --> 0:43:32.355
<v Speaker 1>out see how I recover from recording all this If

0:43:32.355 --> 0:43:34.715
<v Speaker 1>this is the last edition, I wanted to address these

0:43:34.795 --> 0:43:37.195
<v Speaker 1>two topics, and the first of them was the baseball

0:43:37.315 --> 0:43:40.515
<v Speaker 1>trade deadline Monday afternoon. And I'm not going to go

0:43:40.555 --> 0:43:42.555
<v Speaker 1>into any of the specifics of any of the trades,

0:43:42.555 --> 0:43:44.475
<v Speaker 1>except for the fact that, of course, the Dodgers of

0:43:44.515 --> 0:43:47.475
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles traded for the best pitcher in baseball, and

0:43:47.555 --> 0:43:51.915
<v Speaker 1>a tradition as old as time itself. The story, though,

0:43:51.995 --> 0:43:55.795
<v Speaker 1>about baseball teams managing to unload all of their high

0:43:55.875 --> 0:43:58.555
<v Speaker 1>priced players who they are not likely to re sign

0:43:58.755 --> 0:44:03.395
<v Speaker 1>for the next season is become some sort of monetized

0:44:03.635 --> 0:44:05.995
<v Speaker 1>highlight of the late part of the year for those

0:44:05.995 --> 0:44:09.115
<v Speaker 1>teams not in contention. There are not many teams that

0:44:09.195 --> 0:44:12.955
<v Speaker 1>are not in contention because baseball has dumbed its season down.

0:44:13.275 --> 0:44:17.715
<v Speaker 1>We've discussed this many times before on this podcast and program,

0:44:17.995 --> 0:44:21.275
<v Speaker 1>but this is really an indicator of where we are.

0:44:21.715 --> 0:44:26.115
<v Speaker 1>We're now celebrating this with TV shows and with great

0:44:26.155 --> 0:44:29.515
<v Speaker 1>festivals and who's going to be traded where and all

0:44:29.675 --> 0:44:33.155
<v Speaker 1>kinds of marathon coverage. As if the trade deadline and

0:44:33.195 --> 0:44:37.395
<v Speaker 1>the things that the teams do to denude themselves is

0:44:37.435 --> 0:44:40.835
<v Speaker 1>somehow a good thing, and as if what the losing

0:44:40.955 --> 0:44:45.675
<v Speaker 1>teams get for their star players prospects one out of

0:44:45.835 --> 0:44:48.835
<v Speaker 1>ten of which will succeed to any serious degree in

0:44:48.875 --> 0:44:51.315
<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball at some point in the future, as

0:44:51.395 --> 0:44:55.675
<v Speaker 1>if that were somehow something fans of those teams should celebrate.

0:44:56.395 --> 0:44:59.595
<v Speaker 1>The other part about all of this is the trade deadline,

0:44:59.595 --> 0:45:04.195
<v Speaker 1>and this mass selloff is a relatively new phenomenon in baseball.

0:45:04.715 --> 0:45:08.675
<v Speaker 1>This is, in fact, teams completely giving up for the

0:45:08.715 --> 0:45:11.915
<v Speaker 1>rest of the season, in this case, usually about fifty

0:45:11.955 --> 0:45:14.875
<v Speaker 1>games left to play in this twenty twenty six campaign,

0:45:15.195 --> 0:45:18.395
<v Speaker 1>and in many many instances signaling that they don't plan

0:45:18.475 --> 0:45:21.275
<v Speaker 1>to be competitive in twenty twenty seven. And you the fan,

0:45:21.715 --> 0:45:24.915
<v Speaker 1>the best hope you have is perhaps the players will

0:45:24.955 --> 0:45:27.195
<v Speaker 1>be locked out by the owners and there won't be

0:45:27.195 --> 0:45:31.075
<v Speaker 1>a season, So say the Mets will not lose any

0:45:31.155 --> 0:45:36.435
<v Speaker 1>games next year, just to take one team at random example.

0:45:37.515 --> 0:45:40.595
<v Speaker 1>In any event, they used to try to prevent exactly

0:45:40.635 --> 0:45:45.915
<v Speaker 1>what they're celebrating now by means of extraordinary, almost draconian

0:45:46.035 --> 0:45:50.795
<v Speaker 1>rules against selling off your high priced players. With a

0:45:50.795 --> 0:45:54.475
<v Speaker 1>lot of time left in the season because it necessarily

0:45:54.595 --> 0:45:58.595
<v Speaker 1>deranged the pennant race. The teams facing say the New

0:45:58.675 --> 0:46:00.915
<v Speaker 1>York Mets or any of the other teams that sold

0:46:00.955 --> 0:46:05.715
<v Speaker 1>off significantly against the deadline Monday, while the teams facing

0:46:05.795 --> 0:46:08.035
<v Speaker 1>them who are trying to make the pennant races have

0:46:08.195 --> 0:46:11.795
<v Speaker 1>easier pickings. This isn't football, where if you took the

0:46:11.835 --> 0:46:14.595
<v Speaker 1>top six players off any NFL team, it would go

0:46:14.635 --> 0:46:17.515
<v Speaker 1>winless the rest of the year. But still a New

0:46:17.595 --> 0:46:20.475
<v Speaker 1>York Mets team made up of Triple A players is

0:46:20.515 --> 0:46:23.195
<v Speaker 1>going to be easier fodder for those teams lucky enough

0:46:23.195 --> 0:46:26.715
<v Speaker 1>to still have to face them on schedule than will say. Oh,

0:46:26.795 --> 0:46:28.875
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the teams that held on to our

0:46:28.955 --> 0:46:33.515
<v Speaker 1>added team players, like the Los Angeles Dodgers. The pennant race,

0:46:33.555 --> 0:46:36.235
<v Speaker 1>which used to be there to decide who was the

0:46:36.275 --> 0:46:39.955
<v Speaker 1>best team in the league, not merely to provide extra

0:46:40.115 --> 0:46:43.155
<v Speaker 1>rounds of playoffs for owners to sell tickets to. The

0:46:43.195 --> 0:46:47.675
<v Speaker 1>pennant race, has been completely warped beyond all recognition. As

0:46:47.715 --> 0:46:50.795
<v Speaker 1>I said, when they used to have pennant races, when

0:46:50.835 --> 0:46:54.195
<v Speaker 1>the World Series really did determine which was the best

0:46:54.195 --> 0:46:58.595
<v Speaker 1>team in baseball, there were rules against what effectively we

0:46:58.715 --> 0:47:03.595
<v Speaker 1>now celebrate as the deadline Day in nineteen seventy six,

0:47:03.835 --> 0:47:07.355
<v Speaker 1>with free agent see now inevitable and coming into effect

0:47:07.475 --> 0:47:11.875
<v Speaker 1>the following winter in June nineteen seventy six, just months away,

0:47:11.995 --> 0:47:15.315
<v Speaker 1>four months away from the first free agents from Reggie

0:47:15.475 --> 0:47:18.915
<v Speaker 1>Jackson becoming one of the first mass scale free agents

0:47:18.995 --> 0:47:22.315
<v Speaker 1>and free agency becoming part of baseball and all sports.

0:47:22.355 --> 0:47:25.115
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy six, the owner of the Oakland A's,

0:47:25.275 --> 0:47:27.915
<v Speaker 1>Charles O. Finley, who was about twenty years ahead of

0:47:27.955 --> 0:47:31.355
<v Speaker 1>everybody else in his game, said that what he was

0:47:31.355 --> 0:47:33.955
<v Speaker 1>going to do was since he could not possibly afford

0:47:33.995 --> 0:47:36.635
<v Speaker 1>to re sign his stars, he traded some of them,

0:47:36.715 --> 0:47:40.035
<v Speaker 1>like Reggie Jackson, away for other players who had binding

0:47:40.115 --> 0:47:44.835
<v Speaker 1>contracts and lower salary demands. But he still had several superstars,

0:47:45.115 --> 0:47:47.115
<v Speaker 1>two of whom went on to be in or one

0:47:47.115 --> 0:47:48.515
<v Speaker 1>of whom went on to be in the Hall of Fame,

0:47:48.555 --> 0:47:51.275
<v Speaker 1>and another one who should have been, and he sold

0:47:51.315 --> 0:47:54.075
<v Speaker 1>them to other teams. At the trade deadline. He sold

0:47:54.075 --> 0:47:56.715
<v Speaker 1>a picture named Vida Blue, who was perhaps the best

0:47:56.795 --> 0:47:59.515
<v Speaker 1>left hander of the first half of the nineteen seventies,

0:47:59.875 --> 0:48:02.115
<v Speaker 1>sold him to the New York Yankees for one point

0:48:02.155 --> 0:48:06.235
<v Speaker 1>five million dollars. He sold really Rolly Fingers, who is

0:48:06.275 --> 0:48:08.475
<v Speaker 1>in the Hall of Fame, to the Boston Red Sox

0:48:08.515 --> 0:48:11.715
<v Speaker 1>for a million dollars. He sold Joe Rudy, the left

0:48:11.715 --> 0:48:14.355
<v Speaker 1>fielder of the A's. And remember this is the A's

0:48:14.435 --> 0:48:17.195
<v Speaker 1>team that won the World Series in seventy two, seventy three,

0:48:17.315 --> 0:48:20.915
<v Speaker 1>and seventy four, and went to the playoffs in seventy five,

0:48:21.035 --> 0:48:23.875
<v Speaker 1>and almost went to the playoffs in seventy six, and

0:48:23.955 --> 0:48:27.235
<v Speaker 1>they were selling off three of their best players, and

0:48:27.275 --> 0:48:30.555
<v Speaker 1>the Commissioner of Baseball, Bowie Kune, said, oh no, you're not,

0:48:30.875 --> 0:48:36.195
<v Speaker 1>and voided the trades, voided the sales. The Red Sox

0:48:36.235 --> 0:48:39.515
<v Speaker 1>were in Oakland as these things went down, and Rudy

0:48:39.595 --> 0:48:43.115
<v Speaker 1>and Fingers actually went into the uniform of the Red Sox.

0:48:43.555 --> 0:48:46.515
<v Speaker 1>Fingers sat in the Boston bullpen in a Red Sox

0:48:46.635 --> 0:48:49.555
<v Speaker 1>uniform waiting for some sort of decision to be made,

0:48:49.875 --> 0:48:53.395
<v Speaker 1>and the decision wound up in court. In court, the

0:48:53.475 --> 0:48:56.035
<v Speaker 1>attempt was made by the A's to get an injunction

0:48:56.115 --> 0:48:58.795
<v Speaker 1>against the Commissioner of Baseball, who said he was acting

0:48:58.835 --> 0:49:01.795
<v Speaker 1>in the best interests of baseball the competition idea that

0:49:01.835 --> 0:49:05.195
<v Speaker 1>I just referred to, and he didn't get it, and

0:49:05.315 --> 0:49:09.155
<v Speaker 1>so Raleigh Fingers and Vida Blue and Joe Rudy returned

0:49:09.195 --> 0:49:12.035
<v Speaker 1>to the Oakland A's and walked away from Charles O.

0:49:12.155 --> 0:49:15.075
<v Speaker 1>Finley as free agents. And he got nothing. He didn't

0:49:15.075 --> 0:49:17.395
<v Speaker 1>even get a draft choice. He didn't even get a

0:49:17.395 --> 0:49:21.435
<v Speaker 1>farewell note. But Finley now would be celebrated as the

0:49:21.515 --> 0:49:25.235
<v Speaker 1>mastermind of what to do a deadline day. In nineteen

0:49:25.315 --> 0:49:28.515
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, half a century ago, what is being done

0:49:28.555 --> 0:49:34.235
<v Speaker 1>and celebrated now was blatantly illegal within baseball law. But

0:49:34.355 --> 0:49:37.595
<v Speaker 1>it's worse than that. In the early nineteen sixties, with

0:49:37.635 --> 0:49:40.515
<v Speaker 1>the New York Yankees having won most of the Penance

0:49:40.595 --> 0:49:44.275
<v Speaker 1>and nearly most of the World Series since nineteen twenty one,

0:49:44.355 --> 0:49:47.395
<v Speaker 1>having dominated the sport for more than forty years, the

0:49:47.515 --> 0:49:51.715
<v Speaker 1>other teams began to say, hey, screw them, Let's find

0:49:51.755 --> 0:49:54.995
<v Speaker 1>out a way of getting more equitable distribution of talent.

0:49:55.475 --> 0:49:57.275
<v Speaker 1>And so it used to be a free fra All

0:49:57.435 --> 0:50:00.035
<v Speaker 1>kid got out of high school or college and then

0:50:00.115 --> 0:50:03.515
<v Speaker 1>accepted bids from major league teams the way you would

0:50:03.515 --> 0:50:07.315
<v Speaker 1>in your own profession. AHA. That led them to all

0:50:07.315 --> 0:50:09.475
<v Speaker 1>go to sign with teams like the New York Yankees,

0:50:09.475 --> 0:50:13.275
<v Speaker 1>who had more money and more prestige. So baseball instituted

0:50:13.275 --> 0:50:16.275
<v Speaker 1>the amateur draft, and to this day, although the number

0:50:16.315 --> 0:50:19.755
<v Speaker 1>of rounds and players drafted every year has changed, and

0:50:20.075 --> 0:50:22.955
<v Speaker 1>the breadth of the draft has changed, and there's an

0:50:22.955 --> 0:50:26.875
<v Speaker 1>international draft and you can now sort of trade draft choices,

0:50:27.555 --> 0:50:30.675
<v Speaker 1>it's still there to make sure that the talent gets

0:50:30.715 --> 0:50:33.875
<v Speaker 1>spread out among other teams. And so in nineteen sixty five,

0:50:34.515 --> 0:50:36.715
<v Speaker 1>the New York Yankees no longer had the built in

0:50:36.755 --> 0:50:39.195
<v Speaker 1>advantage of being the New York Yankees or any other

0:50:39.235 --> 0:50:41.395
<v Speaker 1>team that was a leader in its field, like the

0:50:41.435 --> 0:50:44.795
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles Dodgers, and so they instituted a baseball draft

0:50:44.795 --> 0:50:47.275
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that things like this would not happen.

0:50:47.515 --> 0:50:51.195
<v Speaker 1>There were rules against trying to put all of the

0:50:51.235 --> 0:50:54.595
<v Speaker 1>good players on the same team, like Trek Scoobel, the

0:50:54.595 --> 0:50:58.155
<v Speaker 1>pitcher of the Detroit Oh No, Los Angeles Dodgers. You

0:50:58.315 --> 0:51:01.675
<v Speaker 1>can't keep doing this. Inevitably, there is going to be

0:51:01.755 --> 0:51:04.675
<v Speaker 1>a backlash. It hasn't happened yet because most of today

0:51:04.675 --> 0:51:07.915
<v Speaker 1>a baseball owners only care about their money and have

0:51:08.155 --> 0:51:12.075
<v Speaker 1>no concept that the fans might stop going if the

0:51:12.155 --> 0:51:16.755
<v Speaker 1>team sucks every year, every decade, every century, which is

0:51:16.795 --> 0:51:19.715
<v Speaker 1>what is beginning developed in some areas. This is not

0:51:19.795 --> 0:51:23.515
<v Speaker 1>a player's greed issue. This is an owner's greed issue.

0:51:23.635 --> 0:51:26.395
<v Speaker 1>This is the owners wanting more money, and when they

0:51:26.435 --> 0:51:29.995
<v Speaker 1>find ways to share money amongst themselves, most of the

0:51:30.035 --> 0:51:33.115
<v Speaker 1>owners in the smaller markets simply keep the money and

0:51:33.155 --> 0:51:36.275
<v Speaker 1>they don't spend it on players in any event, nineteen

0:51:36.355 --> 0:51:38.755
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, there was an effort to stop things that

0:51:38.835 --> 0:51:41.755
<v Speaker 1>were done the other day against the trade Dunvine. In

0:51:41.795 --> 0:51:45.235
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five, the draft was an extraordinary thing and

0:51:45.275 --> 0:51:50.155
<v Speaker 1>by the way, probably not legal. But there was one

0:51:50.275 --> 0:51:53.675
<v Speaker 1>rule that most baseball writers and baseball people don't know

0:51:53.795 --> 0:51:56.835
<v Speaker 1>about that indicates how far we have gone in this

0:51:57.195 --> 0:51:59.995
<v Speaker 1>And admittedly it was done in the mid nineteen thirties,

0:52:00.155 --> 0:52:03.315
<v Speaker 1>and it was designed to stop one team again, the

0:52:03.355 --> 0:52:07.275
<v Speaker 1>New York Yankees. In the late nineteen thirties, the American

0:52:07.395 --> 0:52:10.795
<v Speaker 1>League owners voted on a rule that said you could

0:52:10.835 --> 0:52:14.115
<v Speaker 1>not make a trade in the American League with the

0:52:14.155 --> 0:52:17.635
<v Speaker 1>American League's defending pennant winner. In other words, whoever won

0:52:17.675 --> 0:52:21.395
<v Speaker 1>the pennant in nineteen thirty seven, no American League team

0:52:21.435 --> 0:52:24.355
<v Speaker 1>could make any transaction with them, could not get them,

0:52:24.395 --> 0:52:27.595
<v Speaker 1>a player could not trade them. A player, sell them

0:52:27.595 --> 0:52:30.475
<v Speaker 1>a player. You could not make a deal with last

0:52:30.555 --> 0:52:33.795
<v Speaker 1>year's champions, and guess what the champion's name was. In

0:52:33.875 --> 0:52:37.075
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six, nineteen thirty seven, nineteen thirty eight, and

0:52:37.155 --> 0:52:40.595
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty nine the New York Yankees. There was actually

0:52:40.715 --> 0:52:44.395
<v Speaker 1>on the books a you can't trade with the Yankees rule,

0:52:44.995 --> 0:52:48.275
<v Speaker 1>which finally got overturned because in nineteen forty, for various

0:52:48.275 --> 0:52:50.555
<v Speaker 1>other reasons, the Yankees did not win the pennant and

0:52:50.555 --> 0:52:53.755
<v Speaker 1>the Detroit Tigers did. And suddenly the Detroit Tigers went

0:52:53.795 --> 0:52:56.395
<v Speaker 1>to try to fortify their ball club by making additional

0:52:56.395 --> 0:52:58.955
<v Speaker 1>trades that winner. And somebody said, I believe it was

0:52:58.955 --> 0:53:01.595
<v Speaker 1>from the Yankees. Somebody said, oh, by the way, the

0:53:01.715 --> 0:53:05.835
<v Speaker 1>rule applies to you. You're the defending champions. They removed

0:53:05.835 --> 0:53:08.755
<v Speaker 1>that rule very quickly. But that's how far it has

0:53:08.875 --> 0:53:12.635
<v Speaker 1>changed in the history of baseball. What we once tried

0:53:12.635 --> 0:53:17.075
<v Speaker 1>to legislate against in these draconian ways is now celebrated

0:53:17.115 --> 0:53:23.755
<v Speaker 1>as the big event of August every season. Now the

0:53:23.835 --> 0:53:26.795
<v Speaker 1>other issue is not about baseball, but about baseball cards.

0:53:26.795 --> 0:53:29.075
<v Speaker 1>And perhaps you have heard about this. This is what

0:53:29.115 --> 0:53:32.715
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing. Besides recuperating, I've been selling a Honess

0:53:32.715 --> 0:53:36.075
<v Speaker 1>Wagner baseball card. If you're not familiar with this, it's

0:53:36.115 --> 0:53:39.835
<v Speaker 1>the most it's the most famous sports card of all time.

0:53:39.915 --> 0:53:43.275
<v Speaker 1>At its famous because while there were millions of copies

0:53:43.315 --> 0:53:45.795
<v Speaker 1>of the other cards in that set, there are only

0:53:45.835 --> 0:53:50.715
<v Speaker 1>to this day about sixty Honess Wagners known. I have

0:53:50.795 --> 0:53:55.795
<v Speaker 1>a few. I just wanted you to see this. This

0:53:55.835 --> 0:53:59.395
<v Speaker 1>is not a humble brag. This is a Honess Wagner.

0:54:01.235 --> 0:54:03.915
<v Speaker 1>Now you'll notice about the Honess Wagner here as most

0:54:03.955 --> 0:54:07.275
<v Speaker 1>of the sixties of the sixty Honess Wagners from nineteen

0:54:07.275 --> 0:54:09.795
<v Speaker 1>oh nine, the set's called T two six, made by

0:54:09.795 --> 0:54:14.195
<v Speaker 1>American Tobacco Corporation and sold under various brands between nineteen

0:54:14.235 --> 0:54:19.995
<v Speaker 1>oh nine and nineteen eleven. What the cards were were

0:54:20.035 --> 0:54:27.355
<v Speaker 1>a fascination, a mania like I don't know, garbage, pale Kids,

0:54:27.755 --> 0:54:30.755
<v Speaker 1>or any whatever the game will be this Christmas, whatever

0:54:30.835 --> 0:54:34.955
<v Speaker 1>the toy is, almost anything in music, almost anything in

0:54:35.075 --> 0:54:38.875
<v Speaker 1>rock stardom. There were newspaper articles in nineteen oh nine

0:54:38.875 --> 0:54:41.555
<v Speaker 1>about the baseball cards that were put in the cigarette packages,

0:54:41.595 --> 0:54:44.235
<v Speaker 1>and one of the main features going back and reading

0:54:44.275 --> 0:54:48.795
<v Speaker 1>those newspapers is where are the Honess Wagner cards? Because

0:54:48.795 --> 0:54:50.795
<v Speaker 1>they had cards of everybody else. There were five hundred

0:54:50.835 --> 0:54:53.315
<v Speaker 1>and twenty three different cards made in that set. Where

0:54:53.315 --> 0:54:55.115
<v Speaker 1>were the other ones? It was Ty Cobb and Christy

0:54:55.195 --> 0:54:59.395
<v Speaker 1>Matthewson and everybody else where was Hanness Wagner. Well here

0:54:59.435 --> 0:55:03.715
<v Speaker 1>he is. In any event, the Honese Wagner card was

0:55:03.835 --> 0:55:08.635
<v Speaker 1>not distribute for we can talk for forty minutes about

0:55:08.635 --> 0:55:11.835
<v Speaker 1>why the Wagner card was scarce, but the point is

0:55:11.875 --> 0:55:14.355
<v Speaker 1>that it was scarce in nineteen oh nine. There is

0:55:14.355 --> 0:55:17.595
<v Speaker 1>an Atlanta, I believe, newspaper article from nineteen eleven with

0:55:17.635 --> 0:55:21.795
<v Speaker 1>what amounts to a letter to the editor asking is

0:55:21.835 --> 0:55:25.635
<v Speaker 1>there any special value attributed to a cigarette card depicting

0:55:25.675 --> 0:55:29.435
<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh shortstop Hans Wagner. That's how long this has been

0:55:29.475 --> 0:55:32.195
<v Speaker 1>going on. There were people who collected these cards in

0:55:32.315 --> 0:55:34.875
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh nine and nineteen ten who did not know

0:55:34.915 --> 0:55:38.035
<v Speaker 1>that there had been a hones Wagner card issued into

0:55:38.155 --> 0:55:41.435
<v Speaker 1>the thirties. There were collectors who discovered their Honess Wagner

0:55:41.475 --> 0:55:47.435
<v Speaker 1>card in nineteen forty, not nineteen thirty, not nineteen twenty,

0:55:47.475 --> 0:55:52.435
<v Speaker 1>not nineteen ten, not nineteen oh eight. Hannis Wagner was

0:55:52.595 --> 0:55:56.195
<v Speaker 1>a myth, at least in card form, and as I said,

0:55:56.235 --> 0:56:00.515
<v Speaker 1>only about sixty of them have been survivors of what

0:56:00.635 --> 0:56:03.875
<v Speaker 1>appears to have been anything from Wagner threatening to sue

0:56:03.875 --> 0:56:06.995
<v Speaker 1>because he didn't want to be associated with cigarette advertising,

0:56:07.075 --> 0:56:11.675
<v Speaker 1>as the backs all had to perhaps a deliberate attempt

0:56:11.755 --> 0:56:15.635
<v Speaker 1>to fool the buyers into thinking that if they kept

0:56:15.635 --> 0:56:18.835
<v Speaker 1>buying packages of cigarettes there would be a Hanus Wagner

0:56:18.875 --> 0:56:22.395
<v Speaker 1>card showing up eventually what we today call a chase card,

0:56:22.675 --> 0:56:25.315
<v Speaker 1>like a show Heyo Tani card that some idiot paid

0:56:25.315 --> 0:56:28.795
<v Speaker 1>eleven million dollars for the other day because it had

0:56:28.835 --> 0:56:31.915
<v Speaker 1>two logos and two autographs from show Heyotani on it.

0:56:32.195 --> 0:56:34.315
<v Speaker 1>And the assumption is show Heyo Tani is the greatest

0:56:34.315 --> 0:56:36.475
<v Speaker 1>player of all time and will not get hurt, or

0:56:36.515 --> 0:56:39.275
<v Speaker 1>will not have to stop pitching, or will not fizzle

0:56:39.275 --> 0:56:41.955
<v Speaker 1>out as it gets older. In any event, I'm going

0:56:41.955 --> 0:56:45.315
<v Speaker 1>off on another tangent here. Most of the Wagners that survive,

0:56:45.435 --> 0:56:48.595
<v Speaker 1>whatever the reason for the scarcity is, have something wrong

0:56:48.675 --> 0:56:51.675
<v Speaker 1>with them. It's a curiosity. You can find baseball cards

0:56:51.675 --> 0:56:54.635
<v Speaker 1>from this set that are in fantastic condition. It looks

0:56:54.675 --> 0:56:56.835
<v Speaker 1>like they just came not out of the pack but

0:56:56.915 --> 0:56:59.675
<v Speaker 1>off the printing machine. But this card. As you may

0:56:59.755 --> 0:57:01.515
<v Speaker 1>notice for those of you who are watching it on

0:57:01.595 --> 0:57:04.555
<v Speaker 1>YouTube rather than listening to the podcast, you will notice

0:57:04.555 --> 0:57:08.195
<v Speaker 1>that there's something wrong with it. The borders. There should

0:57:08.235 --> 0:57:11.555
<v Speaker 1>be borders along each side of the picture. I'll get

0:57:11.595 --> 0:57:13.475
<v Speaker 1>it a little closer to the camera to give that

0:57:13.515 --> 0:57:16.435
<v Speaker 1>an emphasis of this. This card has been trimmed. This

0:57:16.515 --> 0:57:19.395
<v Speaker 1>card has had those white borders that should be running

0:57:19.475 --> 0:57:23.475
<v Speaker 1>up and down the side of the thing removed. Why

0:57:24.075 --> 0:57:26.755
<v Speaker 1>who knows? I used to draw in my baseball cards

0:57:26.795 --> 0:57:28.755
<v Speaker 1>when I was eight and nine years old. That guy

0:57:28.795 --> 0:57:31.875
<v Speaker 1>got traded, I would erase the team. I would sit

0:57:31.875 --> 0:57:34.515
<v Speaker 1>there for five minutes with erasers, going through all the

0:57:34.555 --> 0:57:37.835
<v Speaker 1>erasers on all the pencils in my father the architect's office,

0:57:38.075 --> 0:57:41.355
<v Speaker 1>destroying his collection of erasers, and then right in in

0:57:41.435 --> 0:57:43.795
<v Speaker 1>the best imitation I could of the printing the new

0:57:43.835 --> 0:57:47.235
<v Speaker 1>team's name. So kids probably did this. And there was

0:57:47.275 --> 0:57:51.275
<v Speaker 1>another Wagner that came my way in nineteen ninety seven

0:57:51.395 --> 0:57:55.355
<v Speaker 1>or eight, As it turned out, I thought I read

0:57:55.395 --> 0:57:59.595
<v Speaker 1>an article about a restorer who was advancing the cause

0:57:59.635 --> 0:58:04.195
<v Speaker 1>of baseball card restoration. Baseball card restoration has been around

0:58:04.235 --> 0:58:06.355
<v Speaker 1>for as long as there had been collectors. You have

0:58:06.515 --> 0:58:11.795
<v Speaker 1>been able to improve a card by ironing it by

0:58:12.035 --> 0:58:15.915
<v Speaker 1>removing the little wax marks that sealed the package, and

0:58:15.955 --> 0:58:18.155
<v Speaker 1>the card on top of the stack in the package

0:58:18.315 --> 0:58:21.555
<v Speaker 1>got the wax on it. There have been all manners

0:58:21.635 --> 0:58:28.235
<v Speaker 1>of restorations, done usually surreptitiously. And in nineteen ninety eight

0:58:28.555 --> 0:58:31.395
<v Speaker 1>I bought a rare baseball card that was rare because

0:58:31.675 --> 0:58:34.475
<v Speaker 1>it had one word on it that the common variety

0:58:34.555 --> 0:58:38.595
<v Speaker 1>did not. The word was National abbreviation nat apostrophe L.

0:58:39.435 --> 0:58:42.315
<v Speaker 1>The card, although it had been authenticated as you see

0:58:42.355 --> 0:58:45.075
<v Speaker 1>in a slab like this one, although it had been

0:58:45.155 --> 0:58:50.075
<v Speaker 1>authenticated and graded by a company where the extra word was,

0:58:50.075 --> 0:58:53.435
<v Speaker 1>was kind of down here with the name. It said Doyle,

0:58:53.715 --> 0:58:58.595
<v Speaker 1>New York National. National had been clipped from another card,

0:58:58.755 --> 0:59:02.755
<v Speaker 1>cut off another card, and glued onto this card with

0:59:02.915 --> 0:59:06.915
<v Speaker 1>no effort to actually receive, no effort to make it

0:59:06.995 --> 0:59:11.555
<v Speaker 1>look good. You could see the shadow cast by National

0:59:11.675 --> 0:59:13.995
<v Speaker 1>because it was up higher than the rest of the card.

0:59:14.595 --> 0:59:16.995
<v Speaker 1>I had a driver in Los Angeles used to take

0:59:16.995 --> 0:59:20.555
<v Speaker 1>me to Fox Sports every day, and he was from Peru.

0:59:20.675 --> 0:59:22.515
<v Speaker 1>And when we got this card, we went and picked

0:59:22.515 --> 0:59:24.395
<v Speaker 1>this card up on the way to work one day,

0:59:24.595 --> 0:59:27.395
<v Speaker 1>and I said, Freddie does anything look wrong to you

0:59:27.435 --> 0:59:29.315
<v Speaker 1>at this? And he looked at the card and he said,

0:59:31.475 --> 0:59:37.075
<v Speaker 1>why shadow under natinal? That's how obvious it was. But

0:59:37.155 --> 0:59:40.075
<v Speaker 1>it was authenticated. It was in a slab, therefore it

0:59:40.155 --> 0:59:44.995
<v Speaker 1>was real. Other more sophisticated attempts to restore cards by

0:59:45.715 --> 0:59:49.075
<v Speaker 1>building out damaged borders, or what would you do to

0:59:49.115 --> 0:59:51.835
<v Speaker 1>the Wagner that I have already referred to. You would

0:59:51.875 --> 0:59:55.195
<v Speaker 1>create those borders on it and the card would probably

0:59:55.235 --> 0:59:58.635
<v Speaker 1>double in value. Only the key to it at that

0:59:58.755 --> 1:00:01.715
<v Speaker 1>point was not letting anybody know anyway. I read this

1:00:01.875 --> 1:00:04.595
<v Speaker 1>article in nineteen ninety six or so about a gu

1:00:04.875 --> 1:00:07.915
<v Speaker 1>who did restorations, and he did them, and what he

1:00:07.995 --> 1:00:10.515
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do was to do them above board. He

1:00:10.555 --> 1:00:12.715
<v Speaker 1>thought this was the next thing. In every other form

1:00:12.755 --> 1:00:17.155
<v Speaker 1>of memorabilia collecting. You wouldn't throw a card away. You

1:00:17.195 --> 1:00:20.715
<v Speaker 1>would throw a painting away. You wouldn't if the Mona

1:00:20.755 --> 1:00:23.315
<v Speaker 1>Lisa is damaged, you don't just leave it with tomato

1:00:23.395 --> 1:00:26.195
<v Speaker 1>ketchup on it when somebody threw tomato ketchup on it.

1:00:26.435 --> 1:00:28.955
<v Speaker 1>You don't take the great works of art that have

1:00:29.035 --> 1:00:32.315
<v Speaker 1>been hit by razor braides or egg creams being thrown

1:00:32.355 --> 1:00:34.275
<v Speaker 1>at them and just say, okay, we're going to leave

1:00:34.315 --> 1:00:37.955
<v Speaker 1>it like that, because them's the brakes. You fix it.

1:00:38.195 --> 1:00:41.275
<v Speaker 1>You have professionals who can restore it, and you say

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<v Speaker 1>this has been restored.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This doesn't mean sticking the arms back on the venus

1:00:45.555 --> 1:00:47.715
<v Speaker 1>de milo. You don't do it in every case. But

1:00:47.795 --> 1:00:50.875
<v Speaker 1>the key point is you got to do it fairly

1:00:50.995 --> 1:00:54.395
<v Speaker 1>objectively on the record, and this guy wanted to do that.

1:00:54.635 --> 1:00:57.555
<v Speaker 1>I gave him a minor test. He really showed the

1:00:57.595 --> 1:01:00.435
<v Speaker 1>ability to do it. And finally we discussed whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not he could get an off condition Hannis Wagner card.

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<v Speaker 1>For some they were not very highly priced then, but

1:01:07.315 --> 1:01:09.955
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want honest Wagner card that looked all beat up.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted a really good looking Honess Wagner card for

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<v Speaker 1>my collection. And so for seventy five thousand dollars, which

1:01:17.155 --> 1:01:19.315
<v Speaker 1>I had to pay to him in a schedule over

1:01:19.475 --> 1:01:22.835
<v Speaker 1>three years. That's how long thirty years ago really is.

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<v Speaker 1>For seventy five thousand dollars, he agreed to buy a

1:01:26.155 --> 1:01:29.955
<v Speaker 1>beat up Honess Wagner card and then restore it. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I will make it almost near mint. It will be

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<v Speaker 1>as good as any Wagner there is even better than

1:01:35.235 --> 1:01:39.435
<v Speaker 1>the famous Wayne Gretzky Wagner, which itself was restored in

1:01:39.475 --> 1:01:43.635
<v Speaker 1>a different way. The Wayne Gretzky Honess Wagner card originally

1:01:43.755 --> 1:01:48.275
<v Speaker 1>was larger with uneven borders, and somebody and he confessed

1:01:48.315 --> 1:01:51.915
<v Speaker 1>to this and later went to prison for unrelated baseball

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<v Speaker 1>card crimes. Somebody with real courage and real loose ethics

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<v Speaker 1>trimmed the extra part of the card off with an

1:02:04.755 --> 1:02:08.515
<v Speaker 1>exacto knife to make the edges look really sharp and

1:02:08.555 --> 1:02:11.355
<v Speaker 1>in mint condition, and to make the card look exactly

1:02:11.395 --> 1:02:14.075
<v Speaker 1>in the right place and the right size and not

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<v Speaker 1>too large, not leaving any questions, and it got slabbed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first famous card ever put in a holder,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was sold. And we all told the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the La Kings who bought the card with Gretzky,

1:02:26.715 --> 1:02:30.555
<v Speaker 1>Bruce McNall, who asked baseball card experts of the time

1:02:30.595 --> 1:02:32.995
<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen nineties. We all told him the

1:02:32.995 --> 1:02:36.715
<v Speaker 1>card has been trimmed. Many of us saw this card

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<v Speaker 1>before it was trimmed. And he said, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great looking card, and that's all that mattered

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<v Speaker 1>to him because he was a coin collector. And guess

1:02:43.555 --> 1:02:46.315
<v Speaker 1>what if your coin gets a little rust on it

1:02:46.675 --> 1:02:50.115
<v Speaker 1>in the time since some rooman dropped it on the

1:02:50.155 --> 1:02:53.315
<v Speaker 1>street in forty two ad. You don't just leave the

1:02:53.395 --> 1:02:55.955
<v Speaker 1>rust on it, you clean it off. So he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care that the card had been trimmed. So now what

1:02:58.355 --> 1:03:00.075
<v Speaker 1>we were going to do This fellow and I were

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<v Speaker 1>going to get a Honis Wagner. He was going to

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<v Speaker 1>work on it. He said it would take him a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years because he really worked meticulously, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a great candidate in mind. And I said, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me no more. But at some point I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see your studio. I want to see how you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said. Great. By the time I got the last

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<v Speaker 1>check in, I had gone from working at ESPN to

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<v Speaker 1>working at MSNBC and I was starting at Fox. When

1:03:22.915 --> 1:03:24.475
<v Speaker 1>he said, well, the card is ready, and I sent

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<v Speaker 1>him the last check. I said, don't ship it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be moving to where you are in Los Angeles.

1:03:28.715 --> 1:03:31.715
<v Speaker 1>I picked it up in person. It gleamed. The card

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<v Speaker 1>was beautiful. It looked better than any other Wagner, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, this is my Honus Wagner. It's going into

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<v Speaker 1>my collection and I'm going to publicize the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>this card has been restored, and you out there buying

1:03:45.075 --> 1:03:48.875
<v Speaker 1>your baseball card should look no matter what the slab says,

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<v Speaker 1>or what the price says, or what the hypesters say.

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<v Speaker 1>You should check to see. Maybe my card that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>buying as a mint condition card with a ten of

1:03:57.075 --> 1:04:00.235
<v Speaker 1>ten grading on the top of it, maybe it has

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<v Speaker 1>been restored illicitly. Maybe somebody has done this to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You should look, no matter what the authenticity says, no

1:04:09.315 --> 1:04:12.515
<v Speaker 1>matter what the expert said. And I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be above board with it. And I got the card.

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<v Speaker 1>It was marvelous. Man did an amazing job. I went

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<v Speaker 1>away for a couple of weeks, put the card in

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<v Speaker 1>my safe, came back and looked at it and went

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<v Speaker 1>who could be so talented as to do this? I

1:04:30.755 --> 1:04:33.595
<v Speaker 1>suddenly wondered if there was something else going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that card wasn't what he said it was. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see it in its pre restoration condition. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know its history, I didn't know what it looked like beforehand.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't tell me any of these things. So I

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<v Speaker 1>decided to just set it aside and think about what

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<v Speaker 1>to do. And I set it aside and thought about

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<v Speaker 1>what to do for about twenty seven years. As one does,

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<v Speaker 1>I just just didn't want to face the possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>I had ripped myself off. And as time went by,

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<v Speaker 1>I came into a little bit more money through work,

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<v Speaker 1>and I bought some other Wagners. At one point I

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<v Speaker 1>had four of them, and the one I've shown you

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<v Speaker 1>I bought that became my Wagner, and the other Wagner,

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<v Speaker 1>the restored Wagner question mark became a kind of paper

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<v Speaker 1>weight in my office because I had to keep it

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<v Speaker 1>in a big, thick, loose sight holder, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>sit on top of old scorecards from spring training of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five, or copies of the hockey news from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, on places in my baseball card cabinets,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the desks of my many offices. In the

1:05:48.795 --> 1:05:53.595
<v Speaker 1>quarter of a century when I went from early middle

1:05:53.635 --> 1:05:56.915
<v Speaker 1>age to a decrepit old man who was afraid to

1:05:56.955 --> 1:06:01.395
<v Speaker 1>face the truth about his baseball card. And then last

1:06:01.395 --> 1:06:04.275
<v Speaker 1>spring somebody mentioned to me that I had his old

1:06:04.315 --> 1:06:07.675
<v Speaker 1>baseball car, his old hanness Wagner. What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>And he explained it had been the so called die

1:06:10.235 --> 1:06:13.435
<v Speaker 1>cut Wagner. Again to refer to the trimmed Wagner here

1:06:13.475 --> 1:06:16.755
<v Speaker 1>without any borders. The die cut Wagner didn't have the

1:06:16.795 --> 1:06:21.635
<v Speaker 1>orange part behind his head. And what my restorer had

1:06:21.675 --> 1:06:26.955
<v Speaker 1>done in being given just the head and the torso

1:06:27.035 --> 1:06:31.595
<v Speaker 1>of Wagner, he had rebuilt the background. He had rebuilt

1:06:31.635 --> 1:06:34.315
<v Speaker 1>it using another T two O six card. He used

1:06:34.315 --> 1:06:36.595
<v Speaker 1>a third one to put a big, nice back on it.

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<v Speaker 1>He did perhaps from a different card, yet he partially

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<v Speaker 1>restored the name Wagner Pittsburgh at the bottom. And he

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<v Speaker 1>did a masterful job, so masterful that he even made

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<v Speaker 1>me wonder if it was legitimate. And this guy saying

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<v Speaker 1>you now own this card, if I heard you sold

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<v Speaker 1>to you, made me think, hmm, maybe I should stop

1:06:58.555 --> 1:07:01.755
<v Speaker 1>just throwing this card in a box every time I move,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe I should get it checked out by experts.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast forwarding this part of the story. It was real,

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<v Speaker 1>It was restored. It was openly restored by a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who did the masterpiece of baseball restoration, baseball card restoration.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just sat around and you know, didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything with it for a while. The folks at CGC,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the card authenticity places with genuine ethics and standards,

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<v Speaker 1>and my friend Al Chris SOIFOLDI, from love of the

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<v Speaker 1>game auctions, contrived to get this thing examined, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean examined under microscopes and with radar waves and what

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<v Speaker 1>else used to prove what had been done to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And suddenly I had a Wagner double because I have

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<v Speaker 1>two Wagners still, Oh no, I have three. Well that's

1:08:02.235 --> 1:08:06.675
<v Speaker 1>too many for one man. There's something wrong in the

1:08:06.715 --> 1:08:10.515
<v Speaker 1>balance of the universe. If there's one guy with three Wagoners.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of a society do we have if it's

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<v Speaker 1>me and I have one twentieth of all the remaining

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<v Speaker 1>Honness Wagners known. So I put it up f auction. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been on display in this past month at the

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<v Speaker 1>Fanatics Fest in New York, where it drew oohs and

1:08:30.075 --> 1:08:33.795
<v Speaker 1>oz and it in the last week the last weekend

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<v Speaker 1>ended last weekend the National Card Show in Rosemont, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>outside Chicago, it was on display, drawing more oohs and

1:08:41.355 --> 1:08:46.195
<v Speaker 1>os and dividing the baseball card memorabilia business in half.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who say, hey, sure, it's rest it's restored. You're

1:08:49.755 --> 1:08:52.755
<v Speaker 1>not making any bones about it? Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why would you do it to all the damaged honis Wagner's,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's nice to have it. Nobody's trying to pass

1:08:59.035 --> 1:09:04.915
<v Speaker 1>it off as the real thing. And then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>other people who call me the devil because I had

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<v Speaker 1>this Why could you have damage? Debate? It was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like you damaged, you tampered with this card.

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<v Speaker 1>The card had been scissored in nineteen oh nine, probably

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<v Speaker 1>by a kid who didn't want the background there at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It was already altered, It was already damaged. We put

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<v Speaker 1>some of it back the restorer, who, by the way,

1:09:28.315 --> 1:09:30.595
<v Speaker 1>my doubts had been increased because when I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>reach him to ask him some questions and to see

1:09:32.955 --> 1:09:36.595
<v Speaker 1>finally his restoration process so I could be reassured that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a real card, his phone was disconnected. So

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<v Speaker 1>I emailed him and the email immediately bounced back as

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<v Speaker 1>the account being disconnected, And and then I wrote him

1:09:47.835 --> 1:09:49.915
<v Speaker 1>a letter in snail mail, and it came back to

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<v Speaker 1>me within days. There was no trace of him. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard from him since this is December nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about, anyway, the point of restoration and how

1:10:02.435 --> 1:10:06.195
<v Speaker 1>dare you do this? Is the card is already been altered, destroyed,

1:10:06.275 --> 1:10:09.875
<v Speaker 1>almost as so many of the nineteen o nine Honus

1:10:09.915 --> 1:10:12.515
<v Speaker 1>Wagners were. As I said, nearly all of them have

1:10:12.795 --> 1:10:16.915
<v Speaker 1>survived in beaten up condition. Supposedly, the company that made

1:10:16.955 --> 1:10:20.155
<v Speaker 1>them send agents into the field with boxes of cards

1:10:20.155 --> 1:10:23.395
<v Speaker 1>and offered the story of Aarris three hundred cards. If

1:10:24.115 --> 1:10:27.595
<v Speaker 1>you kid over there playing playing sandlot baseball in your

1:10:27.635 --> 1:10:30.995
<v Speaker 1>bare feet in New York, Here's three hundred cards for

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<v Speaker 1>your Wagner. Here's five thousand cards for your Wagner. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>ten million cigarettes for your Wagner. For some reason, the

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<v Speaker 1>good Wagners were all gone, and I wanted a good Wagner.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point, the two points were that have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the auction of this card that runs through

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. By the way, the points that have been

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<v Speaker 1>lost were these. The restoration was done for my collection

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<v Speaker 1>because I wanted a nice Wagner, and I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ever have the money to get a nice Wagner,

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<v Speaker 1>or even a nice clean Wagner that's just missing like

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<v Speaker 1>its sides. I just did it for me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>did it because I thought, well, restoration is here. There

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<v Speaker 1>are cards that are out there that have been restored.

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<v Speaker 1>There's supposedly an autograph making Mantle card, where the autograph

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<v Speaker 1>may not be real, and it's like the old joke

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<v Speaker 1>about the ballplayer who's called out for not touching second

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<v Speaker 1>base on a triple and the manager goes out to

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<v Speaker 1>complain about this, and the umpire goes he also didn't

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<v Speaker 1>touch first. The autograph on the Mantle card is not real, apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>according to an autograph expert, even though it's been certified

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<v Speaker 1>real by an authenticator. And the card apparently we've all

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<v Speaker 1>seen that card before and everybody says no, that those

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<v Speaker 1>corners aren't real either, So both the card and the

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<v Speaker 1>autograph are fake. I won't go into further details because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have them. And people go completely nuts over

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<v Speaker 1>this accusation because you can't have restoration. That Olderman did

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible thing having this card restored. But we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep these cars cards that have been restored, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to tell you that they haven't been restored.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to pretend that they're in original condition and

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<v Speaker 1>they've somehow been preserved, and it looks exactly like they

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<v Speaker 1>did when they rolled off the printing press in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty one or nineteen hundred and nine, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen. There has been illicit restoration in the hobby, ongoing,

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<v Speaker 1>growing and presumably improving since at least and sophisticated stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like the one the guy did on my Wagner since

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<v Speaker 1>at least nineteen ninety five. It's there. I'm being open

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<v Speaker 1>about it, not everybody else is. And I'd just like

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<v Speaker 1>to say one other thing about the Honess Wagner T

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<v Speaker 1>two six die cut restored Keith Olberman Wagner bidding remains

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<v Speaker 1>open through this coming Saturday night. And now if you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting this on YouTube, we return to audio only. Hope

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<v Speaker 1>you saw enough of the Dog's apartment, I mean my studio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to close this special stress test edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Countdown with that rarest of events, one of those

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary moments in your life when you say, hey, no fair,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my nightmare being played out live at a Senate

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<v Speaker 1>hearing televised from Washington. There he was doctor Tony Fauci,

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<v Speaker 1>who saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and would have saved more if it hadn't been for

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and other abject brain dead morons like football quarterback

1:14:15.835 --> 1:14:19.075
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers. Happily, Aaron is now in a living hell

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<v Speaker 1>of his own in which he will not retire until

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<v Speaker 1>at least twenty twenty seven, but his talent retired in

1:14:23.715 --> 1:14:26.835
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, and frankly, his next big event is

1:14:26.835 --> 1:14:31.355
<v Speaker 1>going to be when they finally confirm he had CTE. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Fauci, and in front of him were some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most fraudulent of the might as well be foreign

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<v Speaker 1>agent magas, Senators like that Hawley clown who must be

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally acting like what the Brits call a rent boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and Fauci, who, despite the first initial of his last name,

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<v Speaker 1>has no more f's to give, wisely took the Fifth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment throughout, just like everybody in the Trump administration has,

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<v Speaker 1>just like Trump did. And then of course the MAGA

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<v Speaker 1>parrots all and them for amendment. But I'm getting lost

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<v Speaker 1>in this. It was not what was going on in

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<v Speaker 1>front of Fauci that freaked me the Fauci out, it

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<v Speaker 1>was what was going on behind him. They're looming behind

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most important and civic minded, albeit sometimes flawed,

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<v Speaker 1>medical men of this century, and the preceding one looming

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<v Speaker 1>behind doctor Anthony Fauci, peering around him as if it

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<v Speaker 1>were her show, and she'd been seated somehow in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong place where the remains of Laura ingram I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>this this thing about her earlier. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>she remembers me, frankly, because in the way she must

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<v Speaker 1>tell time. I guess I'm seven or eight faces ago,

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<v Speaker 1>plus what how many times can you sell the same soul?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like one hundred and seventy five souls ago. But

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<v Speaker 1>there she was making faces at well, there's a bad

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<v Speaker 1>choice of words on my part, sorry, doing expressions, sneering,

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<v Speaker 1>making herself the story when she's never the story, revealing

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<v Speaker 1>a little more of her looney tunes long since sold soul,

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<v Speaker 1>and with each contortion of her cheeks, risking the chance

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<v Speaker 1>that one of those cheeks might break off, turn into

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<v Speaker 1>a sharp edge projectile and pierce the skull of an

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<v Speaker 1>Maga senator. This performance was also a great opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that, in a way reminiscent of that guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Rodrigo Alvez who allegedly had a series of plastic surgeries

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<v Speaker 1>to make himself look like a ken doll. It appears

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<v Speaker 1>that what Laura has been going for, striving for all

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<v Speaker 1>this time is in fact sweet polypurebread from Underdog, not

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<v Speaker 1>real and in low death. Anyway, one of my nightmares

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<v Speaker 1>is what Tony Fauci was doing that day. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>something anything of some importance, or at least of something

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<v Speaker 1>that required me to shave and wear a suit. It's

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<v Speaker 1>in public, it's on TV. It could be a show,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a sports cast, who knows what, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a trial, And unbeknownst to me, seated right

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<v Speaker 1>behind me, there are between ten and twenty different Laura Ingram's.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a long way of saying that when my

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<v Speaker 1>social life intersected with hers during the previous century, it

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<v Speaker 1>went poorly. It is important to remember that while Laura

1:17:56.795 --> 1:18:04.275
<v Speaker 1>Ingram was the first star at MSNBC literally shown on

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of the New York Times magazine in a

1:18:07.235 --> 1:18:12.315
<v Speaker 1>leopard print skirt in nineteen ninety five, a year before

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<v Speaker 1>MSNBC even went on the air. It's why they hired

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<v Speaker 1>her the skirt, she did not get her own primetime

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<v Speaker 1>show in cable news for another twenty two years, and

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<v Speaker 1>she did not get that show until she fully embraced

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and as we've seen yet again, as Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>circled the drain, she sure has embraced him in things

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<v Speaker 1>I promised not to tell little personal experience about embracing her.

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<v Speaker 1>My primetime cable news show debuted on October one, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven. That would be twenty years before hers. But

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<v Speaker 1>she was a guest on my show the first time

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<v Speaker 1>the next month, November nineteen ninety seven, and she asked

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<v Speaker 1>me out in December. I think it was long after

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<v Speaker 1>that that Laura revealed to me that her mother's dying

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<v Speaker 1>words to her had been, Lara, why aren't you sound BASSI?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who tells anybody else something like that, anybody

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<v Speaker 1>else in the world. Why would you say that? Wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>you make up something nicer sounding?

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<v Speaker 4>Lara?

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<v Speaker 1>You have been such a great daughter. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>in the hell could I check? Even more recently than that,

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<v Speaker 1>she had invoked her mother again in public, I think

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<v Speaker 1>as an excuse for raising the Social Security age, or

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<v Speaker 1>eliminating Social Security altogether, or having ninety year old's screw

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<v Speaker 1>little screws into American iPhones or something. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. It's true, though, even as Laura flourished

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<v Speaker 1>in television. She never said her mom, here's enough so

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<v Speaker 1>you can retire. Laura boasted in public that her mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Anne worked until she was seventy three as a waitress

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<v Speaker 1>full time, and boasted that her mother continued to pay

1:20:09.435 --> 1:20:20.395
<v Speaker 1>off Laura's college loans. Anyway, the Ingram dates and something

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<v Speaker 1>she told me on the first of these dates has

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<v Speaker 1>resonated with me literally every month since and is relevant

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<v Speaker 1>to politics today. I did not so much date her

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<v Speaker 1>as survive her. Even then before nine to eleven helped

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<v Speaker 1>to slide her cheese off her cracker. I find a

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<v Speaker 1>diary entry referring to her as Hurricane Laura. That was

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<v Speaker 1>March fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight. Beware the IDEs of March

1:20:51.795 --> 1:20:58.595
<v Speaker 1>Julius Caesar. I didn't, honestly, and God helped me. Nearly

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight years of dating, I have not been a

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<v Speaker 1>kiss and tell her I have dated. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>dozens in a couple of high actually thirteen, seriously, with

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<v Speaker 1>maybe three exceptions. You don't know any of their names.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them, now a political writer, basically lived with

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<v Speaker 1>me for three years. I keep that confidence. So why

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<v Speaker 1>am I telling this story violating that? Because not three

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<v Speaker 1>months after that first date, when we were still going out,

1:21:27.195 --> 1:21:29.035
<v Speaker 1>Laura Ingram asked me if she could look at a

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<v Speaker 1>speech I was going to give it Corneill's graduation weekend

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<v Speaker 1>and offer suggestions. This is so long ago, I literally

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<v Speaker 1>faxed it to her. Sure enough, a couple days later,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching Imus in the morning, which was televised by

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<v Speaker 1>my network MSNBC, and there on his desk in front

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<v Speaker 1>of him is the faxed copy of my speech, and

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<v Speaker 1>he is reading from my facts. I could recognize the

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<v Speaker 1>exact sequence of the vertical stripes. My cheap fax machine

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<v Speaker 1>used to streak all my outgoing pages with Laura used

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<v Speaker 1>to go on his show a lot, so to curry

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<v Speaker 1>favor with Imus, she sent him the speech without asking me.

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<v Speaker 1>As I told her that day, all bets are now off.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've told parts of this story before, like She

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<v Speaker 1>had been a Supreme Court clerk for Clarence Thomas, and

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<v Speaker 1>our first date consisted of taking me on an insider's

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<v Speaker 1>tour of the court and having me sit in his

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<v Speaker 1>chair in tribute to him. I did not say or

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<v Speaker 1>do anything constructive. She then cooked me the largest steak

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<v Speaker 1>I had ever seen that did not have a rodeo

1:22:39.715 --> 1:22:43.235
<v Speaker 1>cowboy riding on it, and we watched a woman later

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<v Speaker 1>discredited because she could not keep her stories straight, go

1:22:46.715 --> 1:22:50.235
<v Speaker 1>on sixty minutes and make allegations against Bill Clinton. This

1:22:50.475 --> 1:22:55.475
<v Speaker 1>is my perfect date, Laura told me, seared into my memory.

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<v Speaker 1>But the important Laura Ingram's story sitting there in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of all the debris. I don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>told this. The first date was only about six weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after the then First Lady Hillary Clinton got on the

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<v Speaker 1>Today Show and blamed the at best exaggerated scandal about

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<v Speaker 1>her husband at Monica Lewinsky on the quote vast right

1:23:17.875 --> 1:23:23.315
<v Speaker 1>wing conspiracy that is south stumpid. Laura said that night,

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<v Speaker 1>as she showed me her small office upstairs, I expected

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<v Speaker 1>that she was about to decry the idea that Republicans

1:23:28.675 --> 1:23:33.035
<v Speaker 1>would exploit television, talk radio and the brand new Internet

1:23:33.235 --> 1:23:35.515
<v Speaker 1>to try to bring down a president from the other party.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, so naive little boy that I was, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not that, of course we're doing that. She was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of offended that I doubted the conspiracy part. I explained,

1:23:46.835 --> 1:23:49.835
<v Speaker 1>I'd only been covering politics for two months. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, she said, end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>constantly at the end of the day, it's that vast part.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not vast, vast right wing conspiracy. Why, I bet

1:24:00.555 --> 1:24:04.915
<v Speaker 1>there's not even thirty of us. Laura Inger some men

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<v Speaker 1>explained that she was essentially the central desk for what

1:24:07.435 --> 1:24:11.035
<v Speaker 1>she called the miniature right wing conspiracy. She showed me

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<v Speaker 1>a printed page that had the facts numbers of about

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<v Speaker 1>two dozen people. There at the top are the sources.

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<v Speaker 2>She said.

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<v Speaker 1>There was Ted Olsen, the attorney, founder of the so

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<v Speaker 1>called Arkansas Project and the husband of Barbara Olson, a

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<v Speaker 1>constant presence as a talking head on cable news. She

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<v Speaker 1>later died on nine to eleven. Everybody liked her. There

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<v Speaker 1>were several numbers in the office of Independent Counsel ken Starr.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them read b Cavanaugh. I said, who's that?

1:24:38.595 --> 1:24:42.155
<v Speaker 1>She said, nobuddy impartant. The only other name I remember

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<v Speaker 1>was Spencer Abraham, who then was a Senator from Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, they, including the people in ken Starr's office,

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<v Speaker 1>sent her all the rumors, the ideas, stuff about Clinton.

1:24:53.235 --> 1:24:56.275
<v Speaker 1>Stuff they made up, and she distributed them to the

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of the list. That's these numbers. One number

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<v Speaker 1>was marked Hannity Radio, another Hannity TV. O'Reilly Radio, O'Reilly TV.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one for Limbaugh. There was one Mark Justice Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I pointed to it. He likes to stay and farmed. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the most important name is not on that list.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Matt Dradge.

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<v Speaker 2>She said.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Drudge used all her stuff, but he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>any of it to be traceable, very big on not traceable.

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<v Speaker 1>So I never fax it to him. She said, I

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<v Speaker 1>just give it to my brother. This is when she

1:25:30.915 --> 1:25:34.875
<v Speaker 1>still liked her brother. He sees Drudge all the time.

1:25:35.835 --> 1:25:38.035
<v Speaker 1>He gives the stuff to Drudge. Now, Oliver, here is

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<v Speaker 1>my baseball collection. See, there were reasons to go out

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<v Speaker 1>with her. At the time, I could think only of

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<v Speaker 1>an old cartoon I had once seen. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>octopus working in the post office, using all eight of

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<v Speaker 1>its limbs to sort the mail. But every couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks it dawns on me afresh. Then I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a witness to one of the earliest configurations of the machinery.

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<v Speaker 1>And there there is no doubt today whether it is

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<v Speaker 1>vast or miniature. It's vast, the machinery that links the

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<v Speaker 1>right wing politicians and those who are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>above the Fray, like Supreme Court justices and special prosecutors

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<v Speaker 1>and people like that. There with the right wing publicity

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<v Speaker 1>outlets that pretend to be news organizations like Fox and

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<v Speaker 1>Drudge and Oaan and Newsmax, and the ones that don't

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<v Speaker 1>even pretend, like those who succeeded Limbaugh. This machine is,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact everything that your typical paranoid conservative, Republican fascist

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<v Speaker 1>trumpest thinks is being run by George Soros or Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Gates or doctor Fauci or me. You want to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to say, there are reports or accusations about some

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat or a liberal figure or celebrity. Well, somebody puts

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<v Speaker 1>a rumor in at one end of the machinery, or

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<v Speaker 1>somebody makes up a rumor at one end of the machinery.

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<v Speaker 1>It is then sent to dozens of other people. They

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<v Speaker 1>repeat it, voila. Suddenly there are reports. The reports then

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<v Speaker 1>get fed back to Fox News or bright Bart or

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<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal or the Supreme Court, or they're

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<v Speaker 1>just tweeted by a thousand bots simultaneously. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>push this ancient racist, anti Semitic paranoia called the Great Replacement,

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<v Speaker 1>but you want it to come out washed clean enough

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<v Speaker 1>that soulless opportunists like Elis Stefanic and JD Vance can

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<v Speaker 1>say it aloud on the campaign trail without forfeiting their candidacies.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the machinery. And I saw the machinery when

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a list of twenty and thirty people,

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<v Speaker 1>And at that moment I barely recognized the importance of

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw. Then again, I was still on that night,

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<v Speaker 1>recovering from not just the giant's steak, but something far

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<v Speaker 1>more visceral. Earlier that day, as we were leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court, Laura Ingram had boasted about getting even with

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<v Speaker 1>an ex boyfriend by going back into what had been

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<v Speaker 1>their house and putting up exact copies of all the

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<v Speaker 1>photos of the two of them together that he had

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<v Speaker 1>taken down from his walls. And when he got smart

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<v Speaker 1>and changed the locks, she went back again to finish

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<v Speaker 1>the job. Found her key didn't work so naturally as

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<v Speaker 1>you would. She stuffed his garden hose through the mail

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<v Speaker 1>slot of his front door and turned on the outdoors

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<v Speaker 1>spagot ten thousand dollars worth of heart. When Florence ruined,

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<v Speaker 1>she said proudly, and part of me screamed flee flee now,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't flee. Later, as I tried to sleep, two

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<v Speaker 1>noises kept me awake, snoring, not my own and Laura's dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura's dog kept talking in his sleep, I mean almost

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<v Speaker 1>in silas.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something like twenty five degrees out and I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the second floor. And yet I resolved that

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<v Speaker 1>if her dog really did make that last leap to

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<v Speaker 1>formulate actual syllables. And it turned out her dog was

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<v Speaker 1>the one telling her what to do, I was simply

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<v Speaker 1>going to leave by the window without bothering to open

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<v Speaker 1>it first. The next morning, Laura and I walked her dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to an empty field. She threw a tennis ball,

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<v Speaker 1>He went and got it. She cocked her arm back again.

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<v Speaker 1>He took off, loving life as he did. She did

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<v Speaker 1>not throw it. He went forty to fifty sixty feet,

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<v Speaker 1>then stopped and looked back at her with such disappointment

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<v Speaker 1>and even a sense of betrayal, and she said, loudly,

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<v Speaker 1>without a trace of affection for him or anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>wait far at which is when I realized I was

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<v Speaker 1>being courted to be the next dog. A few weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>back home in New York, I got home from working

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<v Speaker 1>an early morning shift filling in for the commentator Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey at ABC Radio. I was just waking up from

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<v Speaker 1>a tortured nap when the phone rang and it's Lara.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm downstairs. We're going to my old law firms party

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<v Speaker 1>at the Museum.

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<v Speaker 2>I said.

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<v Speaker 1>I was exhausted.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going, or.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just stay here at this payphone outside your planes

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<v Speaker 1>calling you all night.

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<v Speaker 2>We went.

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<v Speaker 1>The next opportunity probably was going to be me on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong end of a hostage drama. Turned out she

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<v Speaker 1>was not invited to her party. We're crashing it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to drink heavily. Frankly. It was a great party.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to meet Hillary Clinton's mother and her brother.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think the fascists are completely sincere about everything,

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<v Speaker 1>even their neuroses, and they're paranoia, no, Laura Ingram hugged

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton's mother and Hillary Clinton's brother. They seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be friends. Later we wound up meeting friends of her

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<v Speaker 1>in the Oak bar at the Plaza Hotel, where she

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<v Speaker 1>kept drinking. I was astonished. After about her sixth Cosmopolitan

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<v Speaker 1>on top of everything she'd had at the party, she

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<v Speaker 1>began to droop her head nodding like a bobblehead doll.

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<v Speaker 1>Her friend said, Okay, that's it. We'll take care of

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<v Speaker 1>the check. You take care of her. She had not

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a hotel room or anything. And if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard of anybody who needed to be poured into a

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<v Speaker 1>cab because they were so drunk, you don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means until you have to pour them into

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<v Speaker 1>a cab. Frankly, I wanted to put her in a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel somewhere, but the spectacle would have made the gossip pages.

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<v Speaker 1>She basically could not stand up, so I took her

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<v Speaker 1>to my apartment, put her into my bed, and I

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<v Speaker 1>went and slept on the couch at the far end

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<v Speaker 1>of the apartment, which is where I was hours later

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning when she woke me up because she

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<v Speaker 1>came parading through using my phone to call my assistant

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<v Speaker 1>to get a car sent to my address to take

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<v Speaker 1>her to the airport, and to make sure that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in my office knew she had stayed overnight at my apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>And all I kept.

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<v Speaker 2>Thinking was why didn't I follow my instincts. My instincts

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<v Speaker 2>said flee, I fleed. Not, of course, if I had fled,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have missed seeing the telephone tree of the

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<v Speaker 2>miniature right wing conspiracy, wouldn't I?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, why the long face. I've done all the damage

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<v Speaker 1>I can do here. No more plastic surgery jokes, I promise,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for listening, for watching. Our musical directors have

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown are John Phillip Schaneil on keyboards and handling orchestration

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<v Speaker 1>work is produced by Tko Brothers. Nancy Fauss, the best

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<v Speaker 1>baseball stadium organist ever, is responsible for the satirical and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty musical comments, which were not included much in this

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<v Speaker 1>program because of the new attempts to record video. I

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<v Speaker 1>thank them all. My announcer today was my friend Larry David.

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<v Speaker 1>The program was produced by Ted Stevie Rose and Kit

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else was as always my fault. That's countdown

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<v Speaker 1>for today, Day five hundred and sixty four of America

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<v Speaker 1>held hostage again eight hundred and ninety nine days until

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<v Speaker 1>the scheduled end of his lame duck and lame brained

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<v Speaker 1>term unless he is removed sooner. As the result of prediction,

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<v Speaker 1>markets and inside are trading gone mad, or perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>ghost of Boss Tweed. The next scheduled countdown will be

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, As I keep mentioning, this was done

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<v Speaker 1>largely as a mean of gauging the stress on my

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<v Speaker 1>recuperating and rapidly aging persona and person I hope we

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<v Speaker 1>resume full time around Labor Day. We'll see what the

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<v Speaker 1>doctors say. I wonder if you can bet on it

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<v Speaker 1>until the next one, whatever that is. I'm Keith Ulerman.

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