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Again, that's three zero five nine nine zero 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: two one nine two or online at SF jetski Rentals 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: dot com. 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: That's it the Marlins for our off season to do list. 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: Isaac is Zoom joining us right now. Isaac. Great to 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: have you on and you can catch Isaac's work on 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: Fish on First Great site, cover in the Marlins, rights 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: for Them, editor for Them, a co host of Fish Unfiltered, 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: among many other Marlins insights. So let's get into this, Isaac. 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: What do you think is the to do list here 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: for the Marlins so far? Christopher Morrell added to see 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: if they can catch some fire from somebody who definitely 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: has the stat cast stats. But what else can you 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: tell us about what you expect? 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Well, I think the Marlins have a few things on 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: there to do list for sure. First things first is 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: the high leverage relief options that they that are on 27 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: the market, still on the market anyway, I think they 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: want to shore up the back end of that bullpen immediately. 29 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Then second is probably to add at least one or 30 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: maybe two more bats to their lineup, whether it's via 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: trade or free agency, I think either way, they just 32 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: would like to add a little bit of length to 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: that lineup. And then finally, for the first time in 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: a while, I think you could see an extension happened 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: this offseason. Like I said, for the first time at 36 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: least under this ownership group. The Marlins have some pretty 37 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: attractive extension candidates, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's 38 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: maybe multiple extensions announce what in the next twelve months 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: or so. 40 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: High leverage relief options ISAAC have been going off the board. 41 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: Have they been in on those in the sense that 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: not in like the Red Socks are in on every 43 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: single player. Still haven't signed a major league free agent. 44 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: But were they in? Were they in to push this 45 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: team in an area. Like you said, high leverage, like 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: to me, this is one of the better starting pitching 47 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: organizations that's out there right now, and then the bullpen 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: just fell flat on their face. For the most part, 49 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: a high leverage would have pushed them to above five hundred, 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: you know, to a much higher season ending record. 51 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. They improved by seventeen wins last year. 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: I think you could have seen them be in the 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: postseason race up until Game one sixty two had they 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: had a little bit more depth at the back end 55 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: of that bullpen. Obviously, Ronnie Henriquez did everything he could, 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: but yes, so answer your question. They were very much 57 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: interested in Devin Williams before he got off the board. 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: They were interested in Steven Mattz, cal Finnegan, Ryan Helsley 59 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: before he went to Baltimore. So they have been in 60 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: on a lot of these guys, but unfortunately they just 61 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: weren't comfortable going to the multiple years that they did 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: command from their respective organizations. The one guy that's still 63 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: out there that still is considered high leverage is Peter Fairbanks, 64 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: and I can confirm that the Martins are still very 65 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: much interested. They've even upped their offers to the mid 66 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: teens for a one year deal, so you could see 67 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: him one year thirteen fourteen million dollars or so. So yeah, 68 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: I think that's their sort of last chance for that 69 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: high leverage role anyway. And I think if let's say 70 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: they they're unable to get him, I think you could 71 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: see them sort of wait till January or February. For 72 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: some of those lower tier guys, maybe someone like is 73 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Sir Anthony Domingez could come close to them. 74 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: Any way, they weren't comfortable going a few years. Like 75 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: this team is young. It's it's not like they're like, 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: we got to win now. This is the win now. 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: Like if they get a stopgap one year Pete Fairbanks 78 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: at even if they say thirteen million dollars, which per year, 79 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: that would be more than what Brad Keller got. That'd 80 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: be more than what Luke Weaver got. Why do you 81 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: feel like, besides the fact that they're cheap and don't 82 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: want to spend that they weren't willing to with the 83 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: way this roster is and I love this young roster. 84 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: Say we want somebody for three years that locks down 85 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: that bullpen. 86 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: It's not about the money. It's like you said, it's 87 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: about the years. And from what I understand, this is 88 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: just the way that Peter Bendix operates. It's the way 89 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: that Tampa Bay Rays operate. They don't feel comfortable handing 90 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: out They think that free agent deals are just sometimes 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: not a great value at times, and if you want 92 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: to get a reliever who there's no position on the 93 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: field that's more volatile than that. They just don't feel 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: comfortable handing out three year deals to guys who have 95 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: suffered some injury history in Fairbanks case or another guys 96 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: like William Some guys will command forty five year deals 97 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: like Suarez and like Edwin Diaz. But in Miami's case, 98 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: Peter Bendix is going to operate in the way like 99 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: the Rays have and they're just gonna give one year 100 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: deals to a lot of these guys. 101 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 4: Let me, I'm gonna transfer over to the extensions. But 102 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 4: first let me help you a little bit. It's about 103 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 4: the money. It's not about the years. They don't care 104 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: about the years. It's all always about the money. But 105 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: instead of being set of throwing out the words cheap 106 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 4: or anything, let's just go cost effective, small market. I 107 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: played in one for many years. Cleveland and one of 108 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: their guidelines to get through it in One of their 109 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: reasons that they were successful in the nineties and two 110 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: thousands and before that was they would lock up their 111 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: young players early and on cheap deals. Rather they would 112 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 4: be team friendly deals, and that's how you get them. 113 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: So who are the top priorities that Miami's trying to consider? 114 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: Who do you think are the top three to five 115 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 4: that they should lock up or are trying to lock up. 116 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: The number one guy, from what I understand, is right 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: hander Yuri Perez. The two sides had conversations back in 118 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: spring training of twenty twenty five, and obviously during the 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: season they don't really have those thoughts, but they are 120 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: expected to resume this offseason, maybe even going into spring training. 121 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: So I think he's a number one priority. You know, 122 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: they don't really love extending pitchers either, but if they're 123 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: on young pitcher two lock up long term. His combination 124 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: of just control and command and stuff and age, you 125 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: just he's the number one target. And then the second guy, 126 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Jacob Marcy, who debuted in the second half of last year. 127 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: They acquired him and he leuis a rise deal and 128 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: he just came up and was on a five win 129 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: pace during his two months stretch with the Marlins, and 130 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: there have been some conversations between his representatives and the 131 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: Marlins as recently as the last couple of weeks going 132 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: after the winter meetings, and so I expect that to 133 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: maybe be able to get done. From what I understand, 134 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 1: they're looking at the first Christian Yelich extension from the Marlins. 135 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I believe that I was in twenty fourteen, seven years, 136 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: forty four million dollars issh. The Jerry Duran one is 137 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: another comp that I've heard. So it looks like the 138 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: Marlins are trying to extend a couple of their guys. 139 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: All right, if you had your if you had your choice, 140 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: to make this team best where it fits into this 141 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: current young young position player corps that they have. What 142 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: free agent bat or trade would plug in and make 143 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: the most impact. I don't care if you say Kyle Tucker. 144 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: You know he lives in Florida. I don't care. It's 145 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: more of how it fits into this roster and the 146 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: niche that they need, because there are some positions that, 147 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: in my opinion, are filled already in Miami with some 148 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: really good players like Marci I love Augustine Ramirez. You know, 149 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: there's there's some guys that have good positions, but where 150 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: do you see that fit being if you had endless cash. 151 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: If you look at the twenty twenty five season, the 152 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: position that lacked the most production was by far first base. 153 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: And since I don't have a name for you, it 154 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: looks like that they're not necessarily going after first baseman. 155 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: It looks like they're trying to go the route of 156 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: finding maybe an outfield or whatever the best bat available is, 157 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: whether trade or free agency, they're going to try and 158 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: fix that first base issue. Internally, There's been reports that 159 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: Alo the Griffin, Conine will get reps at first base. 160 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: There's reports that Connor norby He, ROBERTA Hernandez, a couple 161 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: of other outfielders and third baseman could get reps at 162 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: first base. So it doesn't seem like they're targeting a 163 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: specific position on the diamond, more so just trying to 164 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: find the best bat available to linked in that lineup 165 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: and then mix it matches the season goes on. Because 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: the way I see it, there's maybe four guys in 167 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: that lineup that are going to play every single day, 168 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: and the rest it will be a mix and match situation. 169 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: At some point they got to I mean, it's great 170 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: to extend and it's great for a fan base to 171 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: see these young players for amount of years and get 172 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: attached to them and all that stuff, but you got 173 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: to get a little star power at someone if you 174 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: want to rejuvenate a fan base, and if you want 175 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: to rejuvenate a great city like Miami, because it's just 176 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: it's not the best sports city. There's a lot of 177 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 4: other stuff going on that that guys. The games are 178 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: just it's one of the most empty stadiums when they play. 179 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: You need that star power and they had it before 180 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: with the late Jose Fernandez and John Carlo when he 181 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: was hit home runs there. It's like you gotta have 182 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: a face for the franchise or something like that. So 183 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: it's nice to have these young guys, but at some point, 184 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 4: if you want to actually do something as an organization, 185 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 4: they got to go out and get a name. 186 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't hurt. Just remember you. I'm sure you 187 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: know when when Stanton was chasing sixty and Jose was 188 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: pitching as well as he was, no one was there either, 189 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, they had That's true. They had a tough 190 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: time getting fans in that ballpark regardless. So, like I 191 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: said before, it's they're just going to operate like the Rays, 192 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: and they think that through development, through drafting, through clever 193 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: trades and waiver wire pickups, they will get to where 194 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: they want to be. And it's if it's not the 195 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: sexiest way, so be it. But that's just the way 196 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: that it sounds like they're going to go. 197 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: All right, I got an org question for you, because 198 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: I know Jeremy pal the head of pitching development, whatever 199 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: name you want to have in the minor leagues that 200 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,479 Speaker 3: got fired when Peter Bendix came in or not rehired, 201 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 3: as minor league coaches go, if you don't get a job, 202 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: you're not fired, you're just not rehired. He was very 203 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: instrumental and essential in this crop of young pitchers that 204 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: came up through the organization. He had his fingerprint on 205 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: a lot of these guys, and Peter Bendix comes in 206 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: and doesn't renew him, just like the position put the 207 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: head of position players and hitting. When gian Carlos Stanton, JT. 208 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: Real Muto, Christian Yelich, Marcelo Zuna, we're coming through the 209 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: minor leagues, get rid of that. Isn't that where the 210 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: Marlins have to be one hundred percent even to the 211 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: point of look, Jeremy Pale, because I'm using that as 212 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: an example. You've done so well helping these pictures become 213 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: who they are. Obviously it's all in the pictures. We 214 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: need to keep you. Plus add to that because another coach, 215 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: what does that cost one hundred and fifty thousand dollars 216 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: two hundred thousand if you have the greatest one. But 217 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: they're looking to cut those pieces and it almost is 218 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: like they're cutting they're cutting their pipeline. That is the 219 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 3: only way of what you just said, building this team 220 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: from within. 221 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Well before Peter took over, the system was in shambles. 222 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree on that they really 223 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: had one of the worst farm systems in baseball, and 224 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: since he has taken over, it has jumped to arguably 225 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: top ten. And regarding renewing coaches. Anytime a head of 226 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: baseball operations department is gonna, you know, make oversea changes, 227 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna do some crazy overhauling and unfortunately there's some 228 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: unpopular decisions when it comes with that. But yeah, there 229 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of examples of coaches that I thought 230 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: could have stayed or even Triple A. Jacksonville's coach not 231 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: coming back either. There's a lot of moves that are 232 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: head scratchers at times. But again, Peter Bennix is always, 233 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: you know, bringing his own guys, the guys that he's 234 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: comfortable with, guys that he has history with. Even if hey, 235 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: those guys directly had an impact on some of these 236 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: young guys pitching really well. Unfortunately, it's just the way 237 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: it goes, all right. 238 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: So one more pitching question for you, calling pitches from 239 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: the dugout. They did it the last month. As a catcher, 240 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 3: I have some not one hundred percent. I'm not one 241 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: hundred percent against it. I'm some percent against it because 242 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: all it is is about success, and the success showed 243 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: when they did it. I think it was it the 244 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: last month or the last two weeks. You know, they 245 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: can show in that small sample size that it was successful. 246 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: Are they going to continue it and ramp it up more? 247 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: Yes, that will be continued. Obviously, Miami's assistant pitching coach 248 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: along Likeman, is going to go be with the Colorado 249 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: Rockies as their head pitching coach, and so since then, 250 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Miami has been able to replace him with Rob Marcello, 251 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: and it sounds like they're gonna go to spring training 252 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: and see how it goes and you know, get everyone 253 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: up to speed with that process. But it does sound 254 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: like that will continue going into twenty twenty six as 255 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: well as through all the minor league levels. They will 256 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: be calling pitches from the dugout and if I had 257 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: a guess, it'd be Rob Marcello calling pitches this year 258 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: to replace Alon. And then, yeah, it is an interesting POV. 259 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: Like you said, you're a catcher, there's guys in the 260 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: dug out that don't know how the hitters feeling behind 261 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: the plate like you guys would do. So it's definitely 262 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: interesting the way what they're doing. But the results you 263 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: can't argue with results so far. They only did two 264 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: weeks towards the end of September, but it really panned 265 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: out pretty well, honestly, but obviously it's September numbers. It 266 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: can't put too much weight on it. However, yes, it 267 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: will be back in twenty twenty. 268 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: Six when it has success again, because obviously if it 269 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: doesn't have success, we're not going to hear about it. 270 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: It's not going to be the front office's fault. But 271 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: when it has success again, does it seem like a 272 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 3: approach that will work in big situations, in playoff situations, 273 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: in the place where I hope the Marlins organization wants 274 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: to get to, and that's into big games. 275 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I would assume that if they're 276 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: doing it in the minor league, or they're doing it 277 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: spring training, and they're doing it from opening day on, 278 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: I would have to imagine that if they're playing in 279 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: the National League Championship Series, they're going to be doing 280 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: it there too. They've been prepping their catchers in the 281 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: minor league levels for years, or for the last year anyway, 282 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: for the situation, and I just don't I wouldn't understand 283 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: if they would do it only for the whole hundred 284 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: sixty two game season and then not when it really 285 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: matters in October. I would tend to agree with you that, 286 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, I would like in those high leveraged spots, 287 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: maybe let the catcher make those calls. But their point 288 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: of view is to let the catchers just focus on 289 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: catching the ball and hitting and framing well and then yeah, 290 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: just leaving the pitch calling to the guys in the dugout. 291 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: Hey last one for you, Isaac. I lived in Miami 292 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: for five years, and I want to go back to 293 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: how you described John Carlos stand and Jose Fernandez. They're 294 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 2: still not commanding an audience. If it's you, you own 295 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: the team right now, how do you create more buzz? 296 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: I mean a couple things that come to mind. I 297 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 2: think the Heat have done a much better job. Sure 298 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: they had that era when Lebron and Wade there and 299 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: that certainly helps. But you know how Miami is. You 300 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: need success and star power. So I don't think that 301 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: the way that they're doing things is going to lead 302 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: to butts in seats right just hey to I don't 303 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: think they're going to build a consistent winner with this model. 304 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: Right the Rays they're basically doing exactly what the Rays do, 305 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: and the comps for the Rays, in addition to being 306 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: in Saint Petersburg, which I know as a factor, is 307 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: that they don't build around stars and the Tampa Bay 308 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: Lightning did. And we see the difference in how those 309 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: two businesses operate. You go to Tampa and you're like, 310 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: wait's hockey more popular than baseball in Florida, And it's 311 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: like No, nobody plays hockey in Florida, but they end 312 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: up having this super successful franchise. So I start to think, Okay, 313 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: I worked in a number of spots in the sports 314 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: scene down in Miami. The only combination that works is 315 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: both you need success and star power and then you 316 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: will get people to show up. It needs to be 317 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: a party, a vibe. It needs to be of course 318 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: like the WBC. You're not going to get that, but 319 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: you need to figure out ways to recreate that. 320 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: So how would you fix it? I think Number one 321 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: is continuity, and that's something that this organization, this franchise 322 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: and its entire history, has really never had, and I 323 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: think you could see some of that now with some 324 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: of the extensions we spoke about earlier. And then factors 325 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: are around the ballpark, the infrastructure. If you go to 326 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: a ballpark at oh you go to a ballgame at 327 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: Marlin's Park or a low depot park, I'm sorry, there's 328 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: not much to do either before the game or after 329 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: the game. You know, I've covered games on the road 330 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: at Wrigley Field and there's just you infinite things to 331 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: do after the ballgame that fans really like to do. 332 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: So it's got to be more than just a baseball game. 333 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: It starts with continuity of your big star players. I 334 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: think Sanuel Condra is going to be back next year, 335 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: so that's a big start. That's a good start, and 336 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: they're going to have to have some firepower and they're 337 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: hoping that I seen Ramirez and Kyle Stowers can launch 338 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: home runs for years to come. And they're also working 339 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: on some construction around the ballpark and some stuff that 340 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: could probably help with the infrastructure wise, infrastructure side. 341 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: Cool. 342 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: I would love to see it. Yeah, I'd love to 343 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: see it, and I want to get to a game 344 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: this year, and really, of course it's going to be 345 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: buzzing for the World Baseball Classic right coming very soon 346 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: to that area. I'm I'm sure you've been for me. 347 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: The World Baseball Classic in Miami was a crazier scene 348 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: than any World Series or postseason game I've been to. 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: That's how incredible it is. So you see the electricity, 350 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: and many people are coming from Miami or places right 351 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: around Miami. Of course people fly in so anyway, you know, 352 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: you just wish you sit there and you're like, damn, 353 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: this place could be lit. So but you know, yeah, Isaac, 354 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: great to talk to you really appreciate the time. And 355 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: Fish on First is the spot if you want to 356 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: read all of Isaac's work, Fish Unfiltered if you want 357 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: to listen to him, and you can follow him at 358 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Isaac a zuit az out on Twitter. Oh yeah, and 359 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: on the way out, if you want to stop by, 360 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: there's a somewhat new restaurant that's quite popular down there 361 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: called she. 362 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 4: Said and win right check it out. 363 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Thank you guys so much for having me. 364 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, Isaac, appreciate you.