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Speaker 2: we Got jack mcmollen pinch hitting here on A wednesday mail.

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Speaker 2: you're joining me And i've been itching to do a

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Speaker 2: MAIL i love doing them With, peter of course always

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Speaker 2: than the prospect, mailbags welcome back to the big league.

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Speaker 3: Mailbacks about damn, time you guys were like boxing me

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Speaker 2: build the bridge. Back so. Okay SO i Approached peter

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Speaker 2: before the. Season that's JUST i, said you, know let's

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Speaker 2: Schedule we can just schedule these exactly when, yeah he

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Speaker 2: USh tenth straight week where it doesn't line. UP i

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Speaker 2: can't believe. IT i, mean how WOULD i ever? Know but,

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Speaker 2: Longer but Even peter caps it at eight. Questions you

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Speaker 2: about that right off the, top To Joe adele's just

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Speaker 2: Junior is holiday coming back? Up i'm glad that both

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Speaker 2: the double edged sword aspect of. This, ULTIMATELY i think

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Speaker 2: Here and with common, ARROW i agree it's wide open

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Speaker 3: Percent there are four guys right now with odds shorter

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Speaker 3: plus one, Twenty Evan, carter Will Yer brau And Luise. Heal, dude,

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Speaker 3: like that's Not murderer's row there Of rookie of The

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Speaker 2: Now he's got to be the only guy in that

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Speaker 2: yet Right, Yeah, NO i that's. It Wenzel perez has

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Speaker 3: Like april twenty if ish this, year there are one

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Speaker 3: like AN mlb year by service, time there are one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty seven days. THERE i think it's, like

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Speaker 2: Of major league. SERVICE i think it's like you have to.

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Speaker 2: Seven and so now that you know putting that into THE,

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Speaker 2: that hey will make teams more willing to, say, hey

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Speaker 2: like why WOULD i bring him? Up might as well

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Speaker 2: dude it doesn't make sense to do, It like if

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Speaker 3: Job, yeah it's, like why WOULD i not get seven

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Speaker 2: you can somewhat justify it a little. Bit Chris bryant

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Speaker 2: was so absolutely. Blatant BUT i think in this, instance you,

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Speaker 2: after three weeks, after unless you're in an absolute pansioneer.

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Speaker 2: Contender you might as well wait a month or. Two

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Speaker 2: Ground but the Way i'd look at, it If i'm

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Speaker 2: The rays ship, man if he, wins if he Wins

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Speaker 2: that Means Common arrow is swinging it like an all.

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Speaker 2: Star and let that be the worst of your, problems damn, It,

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Speaker 2: you brought up because some of your hitters aren't, performing

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Speaker 2: Hitters let that be the. PROBLEM i would love for

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Speaker 2: that to be the. Problem AND i think The rays

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Speaker 2: might be a welcomed problem to Have Shane bass throwing

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Speaker 2: a TRIPLE. A they have more pitching. Reinforcements flyn just

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Speaker 2: worst of your issues In. Tampa Common, aro, though doesn't

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Speaker 2: It they like to rotate THE dh, spot so they

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Speaker 2: if you've got Common ara up there in his service times,

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Speaker 2: certain lefties that they don't like facing lefties will get

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Speaker 3: In and if they ran Out Curtis mead at second,

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Speaker 3: base they're going to be fine running Out junior Cuming

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely real quick on. HOLIDAY i know you've been

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Speaker 2: keeping times with him pretty closely. TOO i have as.

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Speaker 2: Well they want him to gain confidence again In, BALTIMORE i,

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Speaker 2: think or not In, baltimore BUT i think The Baltimore

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Speaker 2: orioles want him to gain, confidence work through some, things

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Speaker 2: figure out why he's whiffing to the degree that he.

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Speaker 2: Is and it's not. Egregious but, again we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the better hit tool, guys and you, know consensus plus

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Speaker 2: seventies on him as. WELL i think there's just some

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Speaker 2: needs to build, on AND i don't know if there's

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Speaker 2: WELL i, mean things have looked pretty, good but he's

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Speaker 2: also been striking out still a little bit too. Much

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Speaker 2: Row he struck out twice and the other day struck

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Speaker 2: A pete Krah armstrong situation where it's, Like, OKAY pca

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Speaker 3: Now because you give it him two chances and he

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Speaker 3: hasn't really lit the world on fire and either. Chance,

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Speaker 3: granted chance number one was very very limited at the

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Speaker 3: end of twenty twenty, three but holiday before he went

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Speaker 3: nine to seventy THREE ops post option seventeen, games hitting

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Speaker 3: two thirty four with a seven eighty FIVE.

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Speaker 2: Ops so THE ops has dropped two hundred. Points now

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Speaker 2: that is going to account for the ripple effect that

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Speaker 2: a brutal stretch In Major league baseball accounts. For because

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Speaker 2: this guy's coming down with confidence that is not, shattered

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Speaker 2: but like is certainly diminished than when he broke camp With.

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Speaker 2: NORFOLK i think you have to give this guy until

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Speaker 2: The All star break In. NORFOLK i think you need

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Speaker 2: to let him see two months of very quality baseball

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Speaker 2: In TRIPLE a before you get the twenty year old back.

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Speaker 2: Up one more name before we move. On James wood

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Speaker 2: should be in the major leagues right. Now, YEAH i,

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Speaker 2: Mean i'll run you through like what he's doing right.

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Speaker 2: Now forty three games With TRIPLE A. Rochester he's slashing

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Speaker 2: three forty, eight four fifty, six five seventy. One that's

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Speaker 2: homers thirty three, walks and thirty seven punchouts in forty three.

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Speaker 2: Games and he swiped ten bags. Too he is.

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Speaker 3: The best player In TRIPLE a right now by. Far

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Speaker 3: and you have to get him. Up if You're washington and.

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Speaker 2: He ain't Winning rookie of The, YEAR i mean he

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Speaker 2: would have to actually have one of the best rookie,

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Speaker 2: all these arms are thrown in The National league some

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Speaker 2: with you And, HOLLIDAY i also think he might be

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Speaker 2: working on some, things finding some, feels making some adjustments

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Speaker 2: in the, box and like it's good to just do

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Speaker 2: that in a controlled environment and gain that comfort. There

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Speaker 2: So i'm like you. Would it's it's. RIDICULOUS i keep

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Speaker 2: just tweeting nothing left to prove every Single Timmy. Homers

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Speaker 2: i'm just gonna continue to do that because he's even

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Speaker 2: doing it against lefties of. Late question number, two if

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Speaker 2: you could pick AN al AND NL mvp for only

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Speaker 2: for sub five hundred, teams who would they? Be that

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Speaker 2: comes From Matt flakes ten On. Instagram not a of

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Speaker 2: options in The National, league some more options in The American, League,

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Speaker 2: Jack who do you have in? MIND i actually think

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Speaker 2: there's clear cut options in both AND i.

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Speaker 3: DON'T i don't think there are many, Options and it

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Speaker 3: are playing pretty bad baseball right. Now there are very

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Speaker 3: few teams Where i'm, Like, Wow i'm shocked your sub five.

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Speaker 3: Hundred AND i feel like that's the case every year

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Speaker 3: In but Now i'm, like, yeah you know, what like

428
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 3: you're kind of a bad team right. Now National, League

429
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: ellie de La cruz is the clear cut. Answer cincinnati

430
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 3: well under five, hundred But ellie's got thirty bags at this.

431
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 2: Point do you think he swipes one hundred this? YEAR i.

432
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: DO i think with the way that he's starting to

433
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: get on base at a higher clip and how badly

434
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: that they need to manufacture runs right, NOW i absolutely

435
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: do think he.

436
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 3: Does he's playing out of his mind right. Now one

437
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: thirty TWO wrc plus and again nearly a two.

438
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 2: WAR i don't.

439
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: Know National, league there really aren't many people that come to.

440
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: Mind American. League Kyle tucker's tied for the major league

441
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: leading war With Shoheo. Tany he's one of two three

442
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: point one win players at this. Point Kyle tucker is the,

443
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 3: ANSWER i will, say if you want to reach out

444
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: of the, Hill Trek scooball should be considered as.

445
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 2: Well, YEAH i, mean yeah he's doing right, now and

446
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: and how early it, is and and just the pure

447
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: dominance on the. BOMB i think that's that's a great

448
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: a great one as. Well. Tucker it's like the team is,

449
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 2: good so it's it's weird picking. Him but at the same,

450
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: time the question was under five. Hundred they're under five.

451
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 2: Hundred plinty much better ball of, late And tucker is

452
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: a big reason for. That BUT i, mean that guy

453
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: might be the THE mvp period AND i the only

454
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: reason why he's not the favorite right now is because

455
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: Of gunner and What gunner's. Doing BUT i think when

456
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: you look at What Kyle tucker is doing from a statistical,

457
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: STANDPOINT i think you can make the case that it's

458
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: been more impressive Than gunner thus. Far is that fair to?

459
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,239
Speaker 2: SAY i think it's fair and and and LIKE i

460
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: hate TO i don't want to use that as like

461
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: a knock On, gunner who's again been one of the

462
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: most incredible players in the sport this. Year but you

463
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: know he's he's The American LEAGUE mvp. Favorite right now

464
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: by BET mgm because of the fact that he's playing

465
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: for a team that, has you, know a good chance

466
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 2: to win the you, know The, pennant whereas The astros

467
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: you have been one of baseball's most disappointing teams out

468
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: of the. Game but the walking more than he's striking.

469
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: Out he's got fifteen homers, already still nine. Bags it's

470
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: playing good defense as, always AND i mean it's it's

471
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: just really hard to poke a hole In Kyle tucker's.

472
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 2: Game does anyone else come to mind for?

473
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 3: You one more on The, yeah on the national league,

474
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: side one more name comes to mind for, me could

475
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: Tell marte In. Arizona and Again arizona is better than

476
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: a sub five hundred, team but as we talk right,

477
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: now they're under five, hundred and could.

478
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: Tell marte is a two win player at this. Point

479
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 2: he's hitting the crap out of the. Ball AND i know,

480
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: that you, know a lot's been made about his hitting

481
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: streak and how he's hitting like two sixty in the hitting. Streak,

482
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: oh he's only getting one hit a. Day he's got

483
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: a hitting.

484
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 3: Streak guess, What he's got a hitting, streak and he's

485
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: slugging and he's a two win. Player so, yeah kuld

486
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 3: Tell marte And ellie in The National league and Then

487
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: Kyle tucker And Trek schougl in The American.

488
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: League i'm trying to think if we're missing like anybody,

489
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: else but it's pretty hard to to find someone else

490
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: THAT i think kind of fits that. DESCRIPTION i, mean

491
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: of course you could always go THE al Two Bay,

492
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 2: row but again on the same, Team tucker's been more,

493
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: impressive and then you look, across you, know the rest

494
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: of the rest of the. League, again the bad teams

495
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: are really. Bad so it's just really hard to find

496
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: someone that kind of fits that. DESCRIPTION i wanted, to

497
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: like jokingly Say Dandy jansen with The JASON i just

498
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: want to highlight that real quick. Though jansen's been. Unreal

499
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: he's been, balling he has been, Awesome BUT i, mean

500
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: just not a guy that is going to fit that

501
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: description of like below five HUNDRED mvp at this point

502
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: because he's just not making that level of an impact

503
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: as like some of the other guys. Are but, man

504
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: it's been fun to Watch Danny jansen swing.

505
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: It so CAN i ask you what you think he

506
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: gets in free? Agency he's a free agent at this year's, end.

507
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: He's getting himself. PAID i love watching some of these

508
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: guys just absolutely lock in on these contract. Years BUT

509
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: i also think some things have just clicked for. HIM i,

510
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: mean catchers always get, less you, know AND i think

511
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: that's something that we kind of forget sometimes and like overshoot.

512
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: It but he's only twenty, NINE i. Know and the

513
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: other thing that's really interesting to me is that you're

514
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: not going to HAVE i, KNOW i know he's starting

515
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: to catch a lot more, now but you think he

516
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: might have a little bit less tread on his tires

517
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: with The kirk situation than maybe some other catchers who

518
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: are coming off of career. Years BUT i, mean what's

519
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: crazy is we're looking at And i'd always be a

520
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: little bit afraid to buy on a catcher off a career.

521
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: Year but at the same, time you're still you gotta

522
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: feel pretty confident you're getting a guy that's had A

523
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: wrc plus round one oh seven for his, career and

524
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: if he finishes the year the way that he's playing

525
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: or anywhere near, it it'll be closer to one ten

526
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: by the time or one twelve by the time the year's.

527
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: Over he's always been a solid defender and you got

528
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: to feel pretty good about the. Floor but if he

529
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: finishes the year mashing the way that he is, MASHING

530
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: i don't even, Know, like what's the most recent example

531
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: of a catcher who has been solid but then has

532
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: this incredible year on the walk here and like twenty

533
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: nine years.

534
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: OLD i think there's no recent example of, this to be, Honest,

535
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: like we haven't seen this good of a backup catcher

536
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: in a, while and for some, reason like we've still

537
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: have this time share going when it's very clear That

538
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: Ross adkins trade did the wrong. Guy Danny jansen since

539
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: the start of twenty twenty one has an eight thirty.

540
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: Ops there's not another example of a backup catcher with

541
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: an eight thirty.

542
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: Ops this is because he's not a, backup you, know

543
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 2: like it's a starter masquerading as a, backup, Yep and

544
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: he's better than the. Starter so and it's not even. Reactionary,

545
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 2: NOW i think you look at what you've gotten From

546
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: kirk over the last two, years and you look at

547
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: what you've gotten From jansen now dating all the way

548
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: back to the beginning of the twenty twenty two, season

549
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: and to, ME i DON'T i don't think it's. CLOSE

550
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: i think we. WERE i think you're becoming a little

551
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: bit crazy to just continue to wait For kirk to

552
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: recapture what he did right out of the gate instead

553
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: of ignoring the larger sample of him not being that.

554
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: GUY i think in that. Way that's not to say

555
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: That kirk is not a fine, catcher BUT i think

556
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: they're almost holding on to what we saw out of

557
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: the gate versus you, know what we've seen more recently

558
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: and OVER i think a larger. Sample. Yes moving on

559
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: to the next, question which is another fun one as.

560
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Well are there ANY mlb players that you consider untouchable

561
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 2: trade wise that comes From Big night, two, one four

562
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: four On? Twitter there's a bunch to be to be frank,

563
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: like so there's a. Bunch SO i think we narrow

564
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: it down to what five of the most untradable.

565
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: Players SO i actually kind of view this as LIKE

566
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: i wanted to define what an untouchable player is in my,

567
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: mind you know WHAT i? Mean, like you know how

568
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people have different definitions of star and.

569
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: SUPERSTAR i want to define what untouchable.

570
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Means AND i like. THAT i like, that let's hear

571
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: your definition and Then i'll fill in any gaps THAT

572
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: i feel like there are my personal preference of what

573
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: makes a, player you, know. Untouchable so my criteria honestly

574
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: is jersey. Sales as crazy as that, sounds, LIKE i

575
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: know and listen you, laugh but hear me out on.

576
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: This ellie de La cruz is selling so many reds

577
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: jerseys right, now it's.

578
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: Unbelievable he's. Untouchable why would you move this guy leading

579
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: in jersey? Sales Otani. Betts they're selling, jerseys. Man they

580
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: are the cash cows for The La, Dodgers jordan And,

581
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: alvarez a cash cow for The Houston. Astros i'm even

582
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: thinking of A Paul schemes right now In. Pittsburgh he

583
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: is a cash.

584
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: Cow do you know how many eyes are on The

585
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh pirates because Of Paul? Skins every time he throws,

586
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: osh he's. Untouchable like this was my. Thing did we

587
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: get the television, ratings by the, way on That skeen's? Debut,

588
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: like was that the most Watched pirates game since? When

589
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: i'm so, CURIOUS i didn't see.

590
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: Anything i'm sure it, was AND i it might have

591
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: broken a. Record i'm not sure every time he, throws

592
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: it's the free game of the. Day so my thing,

593
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: is if people are showing up to the ballpark and

594
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: they're turning on THE tv for you, exclusively you are

595
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: an untouchable.

596
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: Player elie de La, CRUZ i do that For Paul.

597
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: Schemes i'm doing that for right, Now Gunnar, Henderson i'm

598
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: doing that For Bobby. Junior i'm doing that for Show Hail,

599
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: Tani Mookie. Betts like the list goes on beyond, that

600
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: but those are some of the names that jump to

601
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: my mind right.

602
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: Now, YEAH i think that's definitely an important, criteria especially

603
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: for the big market. Teams where my mind kind of

604
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: went was. Control IF i have a guy that's already

605
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: an ESTABLISHED aar with four plus years of, control there's

606
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: no world where it makes sense to trade. Them if

607
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: it's three or, less you can look in the mirror and,

608
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 2: say where are we at as a, franchise and you

609
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: can talk yourself into doing. It, right even if you

610
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: look at The Wan soda, Trade, hey we're not gonna

611
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: be able to extend this. GUY i think they should

612
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: have found a way, Too but we're not gonna be

613
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: able to extend this. Guy is what it, is let's cash.

614
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: In BUT i think if you have more than four

615
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: years or more of, control any franchise that looks at

616
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: that situation says we can't get competitive within four years

617
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: is a joke to. Me you should not feel as

618
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: though you cannot turn things, around no matter how ugly it,

619
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: is within four. Years so if you have a superstar

620
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: player and he has four plus years of, control or

621
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: a guy that's, budding you, know a budding, superstar there's

622
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: no reason to move that. Guy to me that there

623
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: is legitimately the package that you're gonna get when he

624
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: has two years of control and is a more established

625
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: star is not going to be much different than the

626
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: package you get for four years of. Control we'll get

627
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 2: what The Juan soto trade brought, in you know for

628
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: The Washington, nationals and that wasn't with four years of.

629
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: Control so for, me it's it's the four plus years

630
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: of control that make it make a player untradable for,

631
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: me because, again you should be able to make things

632
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: better by that. Time and if you are, realizing, hey

633
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: this rebuild is not going the way that we, expected

634
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: you look at like The White, sox for, example right

635
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 2: didn't go the way we. Expected you still have two

636
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: years of control to work with at that point where

637
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: you can then cash in and still get pretty much

638
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: the Same. Haull there's a certain point in which you're

639
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: just not going to be able to get more than

640
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: what you're probably going to bring in in a, Sododa

641
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: like what's who's ever going to command more than? THAT

642
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: i just don't really see. It so for, me it's

643
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: it's a guy that's on the brink of stardom or

644
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: a superstar with four plus years of. Control because, again

645
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: there's no excuse for saying we're not going to be

646
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: competitive within four. YEARS i, mean that's that's. Crazy you

647
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: could have MULTIPLE gms in that. Span we've seen multiple

648
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: organizations have MULTIPLE gms and presidents Of baseball operations and

649
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: turnover across that. Span so that's kind of where WHERE

650
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: i see.

651
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: It SO i can run us through like rapid fire,

652
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: divisions just you, know throw it out, there And i'm

653
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: going to like exclude some guys THAT i don't think

654
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: fit the top of the Line jersey sales superstar. Criteria

655
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: so LIKE i start in The National, leagueese The phillies

656
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: like obviously Trade, turner Obviously Aaron, nola but Like Bryce

657
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: harper And Zach wheeler are.

658
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: The two untouchable pieces for The Philadelphia. Phillies, yeah you

659
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: don't grantly see. It and team, situation of course makes

660
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: a big, difference because, like if you Have harper on

661
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: or excuse, me have Like Zach wheeler on a bad

662
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: team at this, point given his, age you could make

663
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: the case to trade him no matter how many years

664
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: of control you have, contractually especially since it's it's not

665
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: pre arb or anything like. That but, anyway continue for, Sure,

666
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: ATLANTA i View, Akunya, Riley Olsen stryder as the four

667
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: untouchables there in their. Situation, YES i think a couple

668
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: of those, guys especially Like. OLSEN i love. Him he's

669
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: off to a slow. Star but like different, situation you

670
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: could justify it for. SURE i DID i tell you

671
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: about the the Weird like blog. ARTICLE i Googled Austin

672
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: riley because he's dealing with like an oblique thing right.

673
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: NOW i just Googled Austin. Riley in the first article

674
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: that popped up On Google news was does it make

675
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: sense For atlanta to Trade Austin? Riley? No, no, never,

676
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: never never stop writing. That so those are the four.

677
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: UNTOUCHABLES i think your.

678
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: REPRESSED i don't think it's, untouchable like like that definition

679
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: based on The marlins team.

680
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: Situation, YEAH i just look at. It what you got

681
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: five more years of control when he comes. Back to,

682
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: me he's untouchable for another, year AND i know he's,

683
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: out but like even when he's on the, mound let

684
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: him just go out there and. Throw what's the point

685
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: of moving him? Now and if you catch, fire something,

686
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: clicks you're really fortunate that you find some diamonds in

687
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: the rough and you expedite this, rebuild then you're gonna

688
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: be really happy that you had earing. Price so to,

689
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: me he's untouchable because it's four plus years more than

690
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: four years and he's a.

691
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: Star, Yeah lindor is a weird, One LIKE i guess

692
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: untouchable because he's you, know so much money and all.

693
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: THAT i don't. Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Untouchable, Uh

694
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: Milwaukee William contreras is approaching untouchable me, NOW i think

695
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: he full fledged is untouchable with the fact that you

696
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: have the years of control and he's established as one

697
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: of the best catchers in the. Sport, yeah to, me. Untouchable, Yeah.

698
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: CUBS i don't know if The cubs have anybody that's.

699
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: UNTOUCHABLE i don't think they. Do that's wild because they're

700
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: a good. Team, YEAH i, know but, YEAH i, mean

701
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: like technically, speaking you, know you'd like to think that

702
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: there's no reason for them to Move emnaugur or. Whatever

703
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: but if you got approached and, said you, know some

704
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: team tells, you, hey we're, yeah if if it would never,

705
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: happen but in a, vacuum you, know if The tigers were, like,

706
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: oh we'll give you a tear schoogle and some larger. Deal,

707
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: again it makes no. Sense it would never, happen but

708
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: you would do. It so by that, definition not. Untouchable,

709
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: yeah so, no that's. Weird The cubs, talented might be

710
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: the most talented team without an untouchable. Guy, Yeah, PIRATES

711
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: i Think, skians Maybe jones at this, Point, YEAH i

712
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: would saying Like, Jones skiens for, Sure, JONES i freaking

713
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: love is there a player In Major League? BASEBALL i

714
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: think there's a few players In Major League baseball that

715
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: you're Trading. JONES i think so. So, Yeah skians at this,

716
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: point like that just based On jersey.

717
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: Sales, Again cardinals, Nobody Red's ellie de La, Cruz, yeah

718
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: Nl Wes.

719
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: DODGERS i mean that's so Ton AND i think that's

720
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: the other, criteria by the, way of untouchable is, like

721
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: is there somebody on the in this league that you

722
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: would trade them? For, yeah and you, know and it

723
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: can't be just another guy similar age with a ton of,

724
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: control because that kind of defeats the. Purpose it's like

725
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: The Spider. Man, mean but, Yeah, dodgers it's interesting because

726
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: they're all older, guys but they you could make the

727
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: case that they're all. Untouchable.

728
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: Bets So Tonny, FREEMAN i think are the clear cut on.

729
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: TOUCH i Mean kershaw just based on precedent or like you,

730
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: know his credentials and all That Padres tatus.

731
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: Tatis but you, know even with, tatus like that contract's.

732
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: Good but.

733
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Is he?

734
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: Untouchable Jersey? Sales is your your? Criteria? There obviously hits,

735
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: Home BUT i don't, Know there's there's quite a few

736
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: guys i'd move tattoos. For, YEAH i don't.

737
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: Know he's just like he was signed to be the

738
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: identity of The padres and he's still was pretty six years,

739
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: old twenty five years.

740
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: Old, Yeah, yeah and it's very favorable for them, still

741
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: and they're not gonna get they'd have to get multiple,

742
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: controllable cheap pieces because of where they're at as a,

743
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: Franchise AND i just it's it's such a pipe. Dream

744
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: it's it's so unrealistic that he's basically, untouchable.

745
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Right, giants Nobody Logan Web, like there are pictures That

746
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: i'm Moving Logan web for D Backs.

747
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: Carrol, yeah, Yeah, Carol i'm already started that that piece

748
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: on Call Rockies.

749
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: Ellahuris montero And Brenton doyle are the two untouchables.

750
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: THERE i THINK i. Can't i'm still Watching montero. Go it's.

751
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: Crazy it's absolutely.

752
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: Crazy, Yankees judge h And, cole those Two i'm not, moving.

753
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean just because of their. Situation, obviously there's you,

754
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: know if you were Offered Gunner henderson For Garrett, cole

755
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: you're doing. It but again it's just not. Realistics in

756
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: any reasonable realistic, scenario they're.

757
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: Untouchable, Yeah, Orioles Gunner.

758
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: ADLEY i think those are the Two.

759
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: Tampa there are Guys i'm moving to The klanahan For,

760
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: like that's the only name THAT i think Could, yeah,

761
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: yeah BUT i think that's the only one because he,

762
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: is you, know borderline best pitcher in baseball when he's.

763
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: Healthy Red Sox devers at this, point, dude holy, shit,

764
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: man six straight games with a homer For Raffie devers

765
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: went backside again for number six In. Tampa he's a

766
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: freak of all.

767
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Freaks, Yeah toronto, Nobody cleveland nobody at this, Point Kansas,

768
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: City Bobby Witt, Junior minnesota, Nobody Detroit schooble is he, Though,

769
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: like given where they're at and we're going to talk

770
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: about that, LATER i think you could you could make

771
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: the case that you could move, him especially with their pitching.

772
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: DEPTH i, wouldn't BUT i don't know if he's. Untouchable

773
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: also With, devers like he was the one guy that

774
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: they really needed to keep, him to say face, optically

775
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: that was a big part of it. Too and he's

776
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: going to be making what like twenty twenty nine million,

777
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: basically or like thirty MILLION aav until twenty thirty. Three

778
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: like that's you're not beating, That, no not beating it at. All,

779
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: YEAH i. Guess but like School, BOY i.

780
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: Think is approaching top five pitcher in, baseball and you,

781
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: know like that's kind of crazy with the control that he's.

782
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: Got Ye White Sox. Nobody robert could absolutely be on

783
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: the move this. Year he, should he should Be, Seattle, Julio.

784
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: TEXAS i you know what is Is George kirby? UNTOUCHABLE

785
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: i don't think. So he's darn. Close he's done, Close

786
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: BUT i don't think he's there they.

787
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: HAVE i don't think he's totally untouchable because it's JUST

788
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: i think there's a world where you could make some

789
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: mega insane blockbuster and and you might not be able

790
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: to turn it down with The mariners offense being so. Putrid,

791
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: yeah Uh Texas Seeger, Houston yeah, yeah not, yet not Yet.

792
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: Houston Jordan, tucker because of the contract, situation is not.

793
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: Untouchable, unfortunately is not. UNTOUCHABLE i think Word on is

794
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: the only one at this. Point Angels Nobody.

795
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: Altuve altuve too because of his. Contract he literally took

796
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: less money because he doesn't care about negotiating because he's

797
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: just happy at that. Contract Like i'm Not i'm not

798
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: moving out to for almost. Anything but, again there could

799
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: be a world where maybe you could justify. It, yeah

800
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: so that's, It, yeah, yeah it's not it sounds like

801
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: a lot of, players but it's also not a lot

802
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: because even even those names like, again there could be

803
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: a weird parallel universe or just bizarro situation where a

804
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: young player is being offered for those guys that's, established

805
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: which again doesn't make any, sense but basically would only

806
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: have to be untradeable for, Untradeable so it's it's it's

807
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: a weird. One but to the point being there's a

808
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 2: lot of, PLAYERS i think the teams would not move

809
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: and almost every more teams than not have players that

810
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: are just not going to even be welcomed into conversations

811
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: and trade discussions at. All AND i think THAT'S i,

812
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: mean we had a little bit of the rumblings of

813
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 2: like The marlins And, royals like briefly talking About yuri

814
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: FOR i, think, well now it's a no brainer obviously

815
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: that you'd Take bobby With. Junior but at a certain,

816
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: POINT i think it was one of those classic ones

817
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: whe are like just both teams just are, like now

818
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: we can't do, it can't risk. It it's just not

819
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: going to do. That AND i think that's where it

820
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: would be with a lot of these. Guys we're going

821
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: to get Into Chris sale and underrated believers in a moment,

822
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: here but before, that a quick. Break all, right this

823
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: is another good one BECAUSE i love shining light on underrated.

824
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: Relievers who are the most underrated relievers that no one

825
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: is talking? About that comes From haiginsnell five On. INSTAGRAM

826
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: i have a couple of names we can go rapid.

827
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: Fire who do you?

828
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: Got Jack Justin slayton In boston And Matt strom In.

829
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: Philly at this, Point strom is buried when you think

830
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: about all of the bigger.

831
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Ticket names In.

832
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: Philly at this, point also shout out Read garrett In New,

833
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: york But Justin Slayton rule five. Pick he was in

834
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: The rangers system by The Red, sox And slayton is balling,

835
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: balling balling.

836
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: Out multi inning. Reliever he's. Disgusting my Favorite rule five.

837
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: FIFTED i still can't believe that guy was available in.

838
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: It AND i mean The Red sox continue to prove

839
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: that it's different times they're pitching wise And, slayton it's

840
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: been awesome for. THEM i have a note HERE i

841
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: Had strom as, well by the, way crazy to just

842
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: see him turn into to this kind of reliever for The.

843
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: Phillies just.

844
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: Nuts who the hell Is Brian. Hudson is he the

845
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: Big he's big boy right In.

846
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: Milwaukee, Yes but like every once in a while there's

847
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: a disgusting reliever Who i've legitimately never heard, of AND

848
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: i Think Brian. Hudson maybe it's it's an indictment on.

849
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: Me hey when the, dog when you're a reliever and

850
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: The dodgers kind of let you go and then it

851
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: quicks for you somewhere, else it's pretty, rare and that's

852
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: exactly what happened With Brian. HUDSON i don't know anything

853
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: on this, guy and he has been on real for The,

854
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: brewers who continue, to you, know find really talented relievers

855
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: of their. Own BUT i, mean this, guy even operating

856
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: more in the low, nineties has been really good and

857
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: really efficient and getting tons of whiff from the left.

858
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: Side so the only REASON i know Who Brian hudson

859
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: is is he was The cub's third round pick and

860
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: he's from the state Of, illinois a year older than. Us,

861
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: so LIKE i remember crossing paths on the travel circuit

862
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: and it's, Like, hey who's that six' eight beast over

863
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: there That's throwing and, it's, Like Oh, Brian HUDSON but

864
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: i really didn't look far into him after he struggled

865
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: out of the gates With the cubs when he. WAS drafted,

866
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: i mean this guy had an over five in short

867
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 3: season in, twenty sixteen.

868
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen he. Was okay he was just an innings

869
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: eater In, the cubs like the lower minor leagues for,

870
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: a while then drifted. Into obscurity and now he's the

871
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: latest beneficiary of the of the. Bullpen factory well, and

872
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: again when you aren't the beneficiary Of the dodgers', bullpen

873
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: factory where he had a seven to TWO seven era and,

874
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: six appearances, you'd, think, OH man, i well my luck

875
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: might be. Running out might this might? Be? It Here

876
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: but no twenty six and the thirds innings this year

877
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: With the brewers zero point six's eighty r a thirty,

878
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: one punchies. Seven walks that's just two earned runs and

879
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: thirteen hits in. THAT span i mean that, that's nasty.

880
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: Nasty stuff AND then i wanted to give a shout

881
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: to a GUY that i know you've seen Left E.

882
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: TIM herron I Mean tim herron With, the guardians another,

883
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: factory there. Pitching Wise heron i've. Liked since, you know

884
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: he WAS including i don't remember what the trade, was

885
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: exactly but it was it was a. Smaller trade he

886
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: went the other way AND and I mean i was

887
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: looking at the. RELEASE characteristics i was looking at what

888
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: this guy has, stuff wise another funky left with with.

889
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: Loud stuff so a little bit different, than HOLIDAY but i.

890
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: Mean disgusting and he has been awesome so far this

891
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: season For, the guardians both in and being able to

892
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: wifts get leftis he can. Get right he's as well

893
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: know a little bit. Of everything no trade for heron

894
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: twenty seven year. Old left, he mix you're not Thinking

895
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: Of Kevin kelly Harron and kelly might be Thinking of Evan, sisk,

896
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: Oh YES Michael a. Taylor deal, yeah, Yeah okay, Well

897
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: regardless i've seen heron throw quite a. FEW times i

898
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: know you have two on. Calling games. It's weird he's

899
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: kind of waiting for it to come together because it's. Six'

900
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: six it's weird from, the left side and now it

901
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: looks like it's. Really coming together and he's sitting ninety

902
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: five ninety six touching. NINETY seven, often, I know dude

903
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: i don't know how to describe, what he does and

904
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: if you're with, us On YouTube like i'm trying to,

905
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: do it visually but it's almost like he drops his

906
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: hand below his glove and, then whips around, so, you,

907
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: think like oh, he's six, six two thirty he's gonna

908
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: be big boy working down. On, the hill no like

909
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: he uses his length to, his advantage there and it's just,

910
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: like you're saying just an odd, release from him and shit's.

911
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: Working right now one more shout out before. We move

912
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: on I'm Begging the washington Nationals To. TRADE hunter Harvey

913
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: i think harvey's going to close games. For a contender he's.

914
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: Sitting ninety eight. He's gross again he was, gross last

915
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: year first Round. Pick of baltimore it just didn't Work.

916
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: Out in baltimore he goes to the other TEAM in

917
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: the dmv and is lighting it on fire as.

918
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: The SETUP guy and i think everybody's going to go

919
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: look at fit again at the back end. Of that, bullpen,

920
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: it's like oh let's just Go get, The nats closer

921
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: Go get the.

922
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: Nats setup guy the setup guy. Might be. BETTER he

923
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: is i. Think he is, I'm with you harvey's unreal

924
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: and he could get them. A nice return i think

925
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: they have to move. Him this year one Other, NOTE

926
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: on heroon i think what makes him so effective is

927
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: that cross body delivery when you're six to six and

928
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: having it be a slider from their opponents are hitting

929
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: a buck Twenty nine against seth, slider THIS year so

930
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: i mean, left on left forget it. Your toast left

931
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: he's by the way this year one for Twenty Five.

932
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: Against tim herron you. Got no chance it looks like

933
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: it's come at your.

934
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: Head Every Time that's andrew, miller, levels, man tall lank machine.

935
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 2: Like Destroying Lefties that's andrew. Miller type. Stuff look out

936
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: we'll go to, number five Here. Which is Chrysale Where

937
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: does chris sale rank ON The Nl? CY young leaderboards

938
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 2: a quarter the way. Through the season That Comes from Ryan.

939
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: Foster on Twitter you know ryan has been a, long

940
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: time listener another great, social INTERACTION guy And i know. Bravesan.

941
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: AS well, uh, i mean dude it's kind. OF wide

942
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: open i feel Like In, the national, league of course

943
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: you have a managa doing. What he's Doing i'm just

944
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: i'm not saying that he's gonna hit a wall or,

945
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: anything LIKE that but I am saying i just think

946
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: he comes down to, earth a bit especially When we get.

947
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: Wriglely blowing out i'm still waiting, on it though and,

948
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: it's NOT happening and, I, love you managa but it

949
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: just seems like you can't run away, with This, THING

950
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: right like i feel like it's gonna start to get a,

951
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: little bit closer but we'll, SEE that Said i think

952
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: sales right in the conversation with the, way HE'S throwing

953
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: because i mean, the strikeouts too It's. Been vintage sale

954
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: he's in the wrong.

955
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: League Right, now like scooble it seems like is running

956
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: away With The al cy. YOUNG right Now I think

957
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: corbyn burns is the only guy. With an earshot but

958
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 3: after that. It falls Off The nl cy young races

959
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: loaded Right, now With Imanaga, with Ranger Suarez, with Zach Wheeler,

960
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: with tyler glassnow like those are a lot Of guys

961
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: that sales got. To fight through, having said that work

962
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: back to back SEVEN inning outings i think combined one

963
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: run and maybe he was back to. BACK seven, shutout

964
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: i mean he looks as good as He did in

965
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: boston for his Best, stretch in boston, and you know

966
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: like he's not putting together, the you know twelve k's

967
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: and six shutout innings like He, was in chicago, but

968
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: you know like pretty, close it is and like he

969
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: was seven with, nine PUNCH outs and i think the

970
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: start before that it was like seven with seven punchouts

971
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: or maybe. Five punch outs the, thing is like this

972
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: is what the mid thirties sale is. Gonna look, Like

973
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: and dude atlanta saw that, guy and said you know

974
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: what he's ours There You go von.

975
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: Grissom enjoy, it but man what a Fucking Deal. For

976
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: alex santopolis something has to Have clicked with sale on

977
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: like a release or just command, standpoint as well because

978
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: it's the stuff, was diminished, slightly of course because, like

979
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: any pitcher, as they age. It's gonna happen but the

980
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: stuff was still way too good even last year to

981
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: not be putting. Up better numbers and now you look,

982
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: across the board his strike, rates up everywhere and the

983
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: command has. Just been superb he's striking out thirty two,

984
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: percent of hitters he's walked three and, A half percent

985
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: slider strike rates, seventy three percent fastball strike rate, sixty

986
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: seven percent change up strike rates. Seventy one percent sinker

987
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: is seventy one, percent as well that those all combined

988
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: for a strike rate of seventy percent across the entire arsenal.

989
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 2: That is going that's sustainably great, like he is he's

990
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: as long as. He is, healthy for me the only

991
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 2: thing That's gonna stop chris. Sale is health because this.

992
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Stuff is good it's, not prime sale but seventy percent

993
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: of prime sales stuff with command that's as. Good as

994
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: ever that's how you age well. In this game is

995
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Still a, cy young contender as weird as that sounds

996
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: because he hasn't Won the, cy young yet that's just

997
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: usually how it. Just lines up you got to have

998
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: your best years at, the right time and that's the funky.

999
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: Part ABOUT awards, but i mean when you more directly, answer, The,

1000
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: QUESTION though jack i think he's, two right, Now MAYBE

1001
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: three but i think you can't really put him anywhere

1002
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: lower than That In The National league cy young conversation,

1003
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: at this, POINT you know i, AT this point i

1004
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: think He's ahead of Glass now and. Wheeler just barely

1005
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: But we know Glass now and wheeler. Can be sustainable

1006
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: will last now stay, on the field, like we'll see

1007
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: but you know his stuff is always going to be sustainable,

1008
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: like you know ninety seven ninety eight with that breaking

1009
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: ball doesn't, go Cold ever and wheeler is as sustainable.

1010
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: AS they come I do Think Shoulda and ranger suarez

1011
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: are slightly ahead of, him right now. BUT just barely

1012
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: i think he's right smack down in the middle of that.

1013
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Five, HORSE race. Yeah i agree I'm looking at ranger

1014
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 2: at a one three. Seven as, well uh yeah three

1015
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: more innings or two and the. Thirds MORE innings, so I,

1016
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: Think though sale i'm gonna buy him doing this a

1017
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: little bit MORE than And. I love ranger we've talked.

1018
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: ABOUT him aton i think he's gonna finish the year fantastic,

1019
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: already eight no. Which, is nuts yeah, BUT you Know

1020
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: i think sale ends up kind of separating as long

1021
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: as he Stays, healthy in monaga though it's gonna be tough,

1022
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: TO to catch i guess a zero point. EIGHT four

1023
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: era i do think some there's gonna be some natural

1024
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: adjustments that hitters start to, try to make, is they,

1025
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: realize you know what makes his fastball so unique and those.

1026
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: High carry guys what's amazing to me is usually the

1027
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: high carry guys and the elevated fastball guys will run

1028
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: into two long Ball issues and imanaga hasn't at All,

1029
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: historically in, japan he did and that's the weirdest part of.

1030
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: This Whole thing so i'm not. ROOTING for it i

1031
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: would love TO see even i go run, away with

1032
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: it but just from like, an OBJECTIVE standpoint because i

1033
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: have no horse. In this race does that come along?

1034
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: At some point does he continue to strand runners at

1035
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: a ninety? FOUR percent clip i think part of that

1036
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: is just the field to pitch and just How talented.

1037
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: He MANAGA is but i also think that there will be,

1038
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: some you know just just normalization. To a degree maybe

1039
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: there Will be. With sale Two but when sales striking

1040
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: out as many batters is just about any starter that's,

1041
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: in this conversation and you know the track record that,

1042
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: HE has there i think he can. Close The gap

1043
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: but i'm with you to answer the, question more directly

1044
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: he's checking, In, at third, YEAH but MAN i think

1045
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: i bet on him at third of the group of

1046
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: the two guys that are, ahead of him and how? About,

1047
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: three lefties yeh in the? Lead right Now In. The

1048
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: national league it's always fun kind of doing it in a,

1049
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: different way too, which is like.

1050
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: Very very fun last thing you mentioned strike rate, on

1051
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 3: the slider what's seventy three percent on a heater? Sixty

1052
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: seven percent you remember Our Conversation About, Tiedtaman ricky tieman

1053
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: like he. Lands the slider he's got more confidence in

1054
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: landing the slider. Than the fastball That's Always Been chris

1055
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: sale like that is the mark, of a, great great

1056
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: borderline all. Time breaking pitch And That's what chris sale has.

1057
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: And that's why he's. Been, appointment television Yes what's your

1058
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: i'm gonna put you on the spot because no matter what,

1059
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: will be Wrong because it's, may twenty second what would?

1060
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: Your prediction be it might be none. Of those three

1061
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: but if you had to pick One, Of The managa

1062
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: sale suarez To Win, the National, league say young?

1063
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: WHO you taking I would take sale out. Of THOSE

1064
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: three but i think It's gonna be.

1065
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: WHEELER this year. I love. It that's fun that's a

1066
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: good Problem for the. Phillies as well which of our

1067
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: two guys That's Not even aaron nola is going to?

1068
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: Win the cy Young In the national league gets it's

1069
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: a pretty good spot. To be, in and also, By

1070
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: The way christopher sanchez from. A war perspective it's in

1071
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: the top Ten In the, national league too Just Edging

1072
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 2: out trevor Williams because it's may. Freaking. Twenty second correct

1073
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: we'll get to question. Number six here How should the

1074
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: duels handle their? Prospect logjam situation who should they target

1075
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: if they were to trade out of the their farm

1076
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: in which prospects should THEY give real? MLB opportunity TO

1077
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: i hope. I say this i've had great interactions with

1078
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: this person As, well On twitter but i'm always so

1079
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: bad with. Reading The. ADS klein schroeder I actually think

1080
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: I Nailed that Klein. Schroeder, on twitter great great, interactions

1081
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: as well good question topic. OF the Year I, Think

1082
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: Queer Quayer kayer quayer Cleer You, Trade, Aston, kurs dad

1083
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: yes get, free that man he's wasting his Time. And

1084
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: trip Awa It's it's michael bush. All over again, Like

1085
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: We've said connor orby free. Him as well. He's playing

1086
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: left it's a second baseman. Can play, both that's fine

1087
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 2: but like there's no way. He fits in those two guys.

1088
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: Need To go joey ortiz was the guy last year

1089
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: above all that, needed to go and he went this

1090
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: is A situation where i'd be astounded If both Kurse

1091
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: dad and norby because you have forty. Man implications too

1092
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: there's about twenty twenty, draftees as well but you got

1093
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: forty mini IMPLICATIONS there that i think also will make things,

1094
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: interesting for them and you might as well get ahead

1095
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: of it and add someone that can help You Win the.

1096
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: World series now then try to figure out the forty

1097
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: man crunch in the off season when you want to

1098
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: try to make a free agency move or, something like

1099
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: that who Should THEY get, BECAUSE i know i know

1100
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: you agree that it should be cursed Ad. And and

1101
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: norby what do you. Turn that Into We've put mason

1102
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: miller mock trades out on. THE ballad up i think that's.

1103
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: An obvious one that's an obvious one anywhere? Else you

1104
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: go or is that just where your mind goes immediately

1105
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: and you don't want to. GO anywhere else i Immediately

1106
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: Go To. Mason miller man i'm not going anywhere else.

1107
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: At this point like go get the best reliever in

1108
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: baseball right now and have him throw the eighth Or

1109
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: Ninth with felix, Bautista next Year and Like jen yer

1110
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: kino turns into a. Seventh inning guy, that is crazy

1111
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: and that's an.

1112
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: ALL time assortment i look at THIS farm and i

1113
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 3: see FOUR Guys that i am not moving no, matter

1114
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: The Deal holiday Bessio Mayo, and enrique bradfield just because

1115
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: he's like the recent first round pick and it just

1116
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: seems like the.

1117
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: Floor is so. Stupidly ridiculously high you're, not, moving him

1118
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: though if you CAN go get i know they don't

1119
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: really need any help in their, rotation right now but

1120
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: if you could go get someone, THAT changes THINGS i,

1121
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: guess i would but like, You'd rather not i'd rather

1122
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: not chance, to move him like some of these, other guys,

1123
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: are like please for The, love of, God move yeah

1124
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: and like his timeline times Up Perfectly, with cedric mulleins

1125
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: and Like when when, mullins is up YOU know, What

1126
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean So mullins out, bradfield, in like hey you

1127
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: have your answer, in center field and he becomes one

1128
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: of the better defensive center fielders and. All of baseball

1129
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: like and he is a nightmare either in the leadoff

1130
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: spot or in. The nine hole when he, gets on

1131
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: base he's gonna. Be on third Like that's. Who bradfield

1132
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: IS so like i like that Dynamic to this orioles

1133
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: offense that's gonna have, so much pop so much, Bat

1134
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: to ball they're gonna see. SO many Pitches i think

1135
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: bradfield can blosso him into that best leadoff guy in, baseball,

1136
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: type player yeah or the best nine and hit her

1137
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: the game is like yeah.

1138
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 3: A long time so LIKE that's why i like the

1139
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: Idea Of, keeping enrique bradfield, BUT everybody else i think.

1140
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: It's fair game if YOU want to i d one

1141
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 3: of the Pitchers McDermot or povitch just because you think

1142
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 3: that you need a, six moving, forward go ahead And,

1143
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: like ship man if if you're not Going To, extend

1144
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 3: corbyn burns why not package them for a top flight

1145
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: starting pitcher To. PAIR with grayson i think They Should.

1146
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: EXTEND corbyn burns i think they have their guy there

1147
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 3: right now and they should take. Care of, THAT but

1148
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah I think mason miller is the clear cut example

1149
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: or top. FLIGHT starting pitching, i also think just Like

1150
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: straight Up, Norby for hunter harvey can make a.

1151
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: Lot OF sets. Yeah i don't you're not going to lose,

1152
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: sleep over that and that helps you immediately you are

1153
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: going to become one of the more feared. Bullpens out

1154
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: there what Do you know. HARVEY'S contractual situation i.

1155
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: Think he's up, after this year but that feels like

1156
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 3: an easy, extension to, Like, no problem, hey you know

1157
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: sign a two year deal after this and if that's,

1158
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: what it, Takes you know washington, to convince him. Go

1159
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 3: RIGHT ahead But, i, mean shipman Like If it's Judd Fabian, for,

1160
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: hunter harvey like go ahead.

1161
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: And do it can we get a little outlandish here,

1162
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: for a second h what would it Take To Get

1163
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: luise Robert?

1164
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 3: Junior to baltimore, so you know my knee jerk question

1165
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: was gonna be do you? Think he fits of course.

1166
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: He fucking fits like it's.

1167
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: Like a glove they need. A center, Fielder i mean.

1168
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 2: Mullens is fine you've got a superstar who's who's extremely

1169
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: affordable that can now play center field and in ear lineup.

1170
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: Is Comically. GROSS curse dad i mean you could you

1171
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: could put together a, Mega Package, There Kurse Dad. Norby

1172
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: beaver's dermott If, you want povich, if you want you

1173
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: could list in that situation you could easily go with

1174
00:56:53,160 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: with you COULD part with I. Think of bradfield then.

1175
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: You, can.

1176
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: Put yeah, exactly it's like literally give, them a menu

1177
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: dude to the ten propects going to the.

1178
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: Fucking cheesecake, factory, it's, like hey man which one of

1179
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: these one hundred and thirty dining options?

1180
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: Would, you like yep that's to me is a no.

1181
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Brainer there, too and look if you have To include A,

1182
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: mayor or besillo then you. PROBABLY say no i can

1183
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Understand Why the white sox, would want that but you

1184
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: can literally give them seven prospects that, would immediately caught

1185
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: like swap right into their top. Probably top fifteen It's

1186
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: Like the.

1187
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: Paul george Trade It's like paul george from what from

1188
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: okay See. To the Clippers it's like shay and a

1189
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: billion picks.

1190
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: A billion somewhere there was great technically still when they,

1191
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: would draft him but it. Was just, Endless, it's like

1192
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: okay we're set. Up really well so that's. That's ANOTHER one.

1193
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: BUT i agree i think with the pitching, where it's

1194
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: at which is in a, really Good spot and, bradish

1195
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: you know back and throwing the way he is and

1196
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: and burns, there as. Well cash in you don't have

1197
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: to deplete the farm that. Is so strong go get

1198
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: just the best reliever in the market that no one's

1199
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: going to be able to compe, with YOUR offer and

1200
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: i think That's where. The orioles go but it's clearly

1201
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: Cursed at and norby that need to be. On the

1202
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: move there no reason to force. The arms out even

1203
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: if they don't have, a direct path there's always going

1204
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: to be a. Need for arms what do You Make

1205
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: of joe adell's recent performance On a struggling angels team

1206
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: without trout that comes from Optimal? Sadness on twitter if,

1207
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: It's optimal sadness i'd imagine That they're. Probably, ANGELS fans

1208
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: yeah i mean we talked a little bit about it

1209
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: in the. Last couple episodes are a. Couple episodes ago

1210
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: he's figured something, out for sure and he's, TURNED himself,

1211
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: into i think instead of a guy that goes up

1212
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: and down in, a quadi player so a guy that's

1213
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: gonna stick and hang out in. The big leagues my

1214
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: question is how good of a big leak or Is

1215
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: HE sustainably and i think we're still waiting to. Figure

1216
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: that out he talked about some of the approach things,

1217
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: that he's adjusted but. HE'S still aggressive i think you

1218
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: look at the. Bat to balls it's continued. To get

1219
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: better the defense has, actually gotten better. WHICH is nice

1220
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: i don't understand why he's not a good base runner

1221
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: considering how, fast he is but that's. For, another time

1222
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: offensively clearly there's things that have clicked, across the board

1223
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: but he's always going to need to HIT because the

1224
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: obp is not great and he's going to. NEED to

1225
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: plug i think he's a. REALLY solid player i don't

1226
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: know if he's ever going to be the guy that,

1227
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: was a, consensus you know, top ten prospect, all THAT

1228
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: stuff but i think, he's Settled in like i'm buying

1229
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: that he's a an above. AVERAGE big leaguer i think

1230
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: that is what is clear, at this point that things

1231
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: have started to, click FOR him and i think you're

1232
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: seeing that from. A strikeout.

1233
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: PERSPECTIVE for sure i thought he was A sitting duck

1234
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: dfa candidate coming. Into this year, to be honest like

1235
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: And He, AND rowansie contreras i think we were both

1236
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: saying where did?

1237
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: The time go and look.

1238
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: Now they're teammates Rowanzi's in that angels bullpen BECAUSE he

1239
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: was dfa to Make. Room for skins rowanse's twenty, four

1240
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 3: years old and he was. Out Of options joe adell's

1241
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: out of options. Like it was it was very Similar

1242
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: To the nick gordon in, a Conversation Actually because nick

1243
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: gordon was a top fifty prospect in the game right at.

1244
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: A certain point he was that, first round pick came

1245
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: with all the credentials and it just like never really

1246
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: worked out and he hung Around on the twins roster

1247
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: for way too long because they. COULDN'T option Him i

1248
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: thought adele was gonna be that. Guy this year but

1249
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 3: credit to him for changing the. Narrative around that he's

1250
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: punching out at a way LOWER clip than i thought

1251
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: he would.

1252
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: At this point? Is?

1253
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 3: That sustainable hopefully do you feel like there's been? Tangible,

1254
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: changes there but like my worry is He's just the

1255
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: Angel's Version. Of, SAM hilliard again i use that comp,

1256
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: all the time like every Organization Has the, sam Hilliard

1257
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: Type and joe adell Was Clearly The angel.

1258
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: Sam HILLIARD type now i hope he's way. MORE than

1259
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: that i think he's. MORE than that i, DON'T know

1260
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: again i don't know. WHERE he goes i think he's

1261
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: more of that guy that is again a consistent. Above

1262
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: AVERAGE regular because i still think that there's gonna be the.

1263
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: SWINGING miss issues i still think the breaking balls are

1264
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: gonna give. Him some fits but what's interesting to me

1265
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: is that breaking balls before, were disdestroying him And even

1266
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: in triple AT points and i, know he mashed BUT.

1267
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: That's the pcl good pitchers with good breaking balls were

1268
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: given Him TROUBLE. In triple a like he was not hitting.

1269
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: Slider as well even if you combine the big league

1270
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: extint and his. Minor league extint last year he had

1271
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: won forty five against sliders and it wasn't much better

1272
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: against curve balls for. The MOST part so i think

1273
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: that's the area where he's really improved to the point

1274
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: where you don't need to be good. Against breaking balls

1275
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: just don't be. A black hole and in the big

1276
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: leagues last year he was won eighteen. Against breaking balls this.

1277
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: Year's two eleven but the difference is when. He is

1278
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: connecting he said him hard and. He's elevating hangars if

1279
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: you crush hangers, and crush fastballs you can, make a

1280
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: living especially when you're. A great athlete you've turned into

1281
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: a solid defender. In a corner you hope that the base.

1282
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: RUNNING comes along i think those things are, enough for

1283
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: him especially with. Approach getting better it still needs, to

1284
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: improve more but especially with, THAT happening too i think

1285
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: we saw like incremental, is UNDERSELLING it but i think

1286
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: we saw a step forward in like three different departments

1287
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: which is combined for. A leap forward AND that's why

1288
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: i am kind of buying to a degree. THE leap

1289
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: forward i don't think he's. AN all star i think

1290
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: he's a two to, three win player maybe a little bit,

1291
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: more than that and a guy that could end up

1292
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: being a nice piece for them to hold on to

1293
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: and that they can look at it in this, Lineup,

1294
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: and say okay well he's gonna be here for a

1295
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: while and. BUILD their forward i do think that he's

1296
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: somebody that's gonna hang around. For them now. Question number

1297
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: eight are we as a community overrating big Strikeout guys

1298
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: Like skeens and strider due to the fact that they

1299
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: struggle to go? DEEP in games i know you. PICKED

1300
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: this question. I, know why sorry let me start. The

1301
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: question OVER but as i, WAS now like I know

1302
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: why jack. Picked this one are we as a community

1303
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: overrating big Strikeout guys like skins and stry to do

1304
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: the fact that they struggle to go tea in games

1305
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: because a strikeout tends to be more pitches than. A ground,

1306
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: ball for example That Comes from luke Pope. Three on

1307
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: twitter great question in the respect that strikeouts to. Require

1308
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: MORE pitches and i know It's something that skemes, has

1309
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: TALKED about and I think even i don't know if

1310
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: it was in the interview that you did with him

1311
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: on the call up or just in other. CONVERSATIONS as

1312
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: well i know you're. RAISING your hand i know you're chomping.

1313
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: At the bit We'll get to strider, in a moment

1314
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: but what's your? Thoughts? ON this jack i know this

1315
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 2: is right up. Your, Freaking ALLEY no And I also

1316
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: i'm i'm not even going to Dip into the.

1317
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: SKEMES well here i think, the short answer like very short,

1318
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: answer is no we're not on. We're not overrating the strikeout,

1319
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 3: answer is no it's, So ridiculously important like it is

1320
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: the most important thing for. Pitching right now it's how,

1321
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: you get paid it's how. You win Games Look at,

1322
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: Louis heel's thera oh but.

1323
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: He walks a. Bunch of guys yankee fans are doing

1324
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 2: Backflips With what louis heal is. Doing, right, now okay.

1325
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah early contact. Is really important the best pitchers in

1326
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: baseball marry those. Two art forms they get strikeouts when.

1327
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: They need them when the bases are empty and there's

1328
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: one man out, in the fifth they'll roll in one ground.

1329
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 3: Ball to short that's what makes a. Cy young winner.

1330
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: Which one's harder to learn jack the strikeouts or. The

1331
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: ground balls the strikeouts are. Harder. To develop guys.

1332
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: Let's be honest you can go to one pitch at

1333
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 3: the knees and it could be a. Ground ball machine

1334
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: there are so many guys in bullpens that, can do

1335
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: that and you know what ground balls are going to.

1336
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 3: Find the holes those are the guys that have a

1337
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: bullpennyra four, and, it's like yeah they're a fine, Sixth

1338
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: inning option like they'll bounce. Back and forth the guys

1339
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: that strike out, people in bullpens the strikeout artists are

1340
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 3: one hundred. Million Dollar closers edwin diaz punched out. Seventeen

1341
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: per nine he gotten one hundred. Million Dollar deal josh

1342
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: hater punches out more than like any closer, in the game,

1343
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 3: it seems like and he got a ninety five million

1344
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: dollar deal and, starting pitching wise why are We Obsessed. With,

1345
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: spencer strider yeah he'll get hit for a couple of,

1346
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: blow up outings but he'll also get through seven and

1347
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 3: punch out fourteen and. It sells, tickets and dude it

1348
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: kills the ego of. The opposing, lineup oh yeah. Drikeouts,

1349
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: kill lineups yes round, balls, it's like oh we just didn't.

1350
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: Find the holes we. Got unlucky today you can still

1351
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: sleep soundly that night if you hit three, hard ground

1352
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: balls if you punched. Out, Three, Times, yeah elder like

1353
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: there's no opposing lineup that is tossing And turning after

1354
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: elder goes, six against him, because, it's like, OH you

1355
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: know i barreled. Some balls up actually actually to push,

1356
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: back on that they are because they feel like they should.

1357
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: Be hitting it, and you know, when he's locating he gives, you,

1358
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: great starts yep but he has to locate and that

1359
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: is so hard. To consistently do, AND and yeah i

1360
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: was actually looking, at that RECENTLY where like, i feel

1361
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: like when you get Shut, down by elder you're so

1362
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: pissed because you see one pitch you ground out and

1363
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: you go back. To the. Other that's, great you know

1364
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: it's good to have that guy as a four, or

1365
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: five starter but you're also seeing the good and the.

1366
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: Bad with That we see elder dominate and then we

1367
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: see him get racked and it was tough watching him

1368
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: get racked on His birthday and. Sunday night, BASEBALL but,

1369
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: uh i mean that's what comes. TO the territory i

1370
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: do think it's, a, good question though BECAUSE something that

1371
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: i do look for if we're talking about premiere premier

1372
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: arms And what makes skeens so Special is that skeens

1373
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: can get the whip. Whenever he wants but now with

1374
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: this splinker and the pitch ability that he has, HE'S

1375
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 2: talked about i want to be able to get ground

1376
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: balls early. In ABS too so i do think it's

1377
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: a separator for the elite. Of the elite but at,

1378
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: the same Time If you're spencer strouter and you're putting

1379
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: up with numbers we've really, never seen before then. It

1380
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: doesn't matter you're never going to overrate a guy that's

1381
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: in the first. Percentile OF strikeouts but i will take

1382
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: the guy that gets some more ground balls and is

1383
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: in the thirtieth percentile strikeouts than the guy that gets

1384
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: no ground balls and is in the ten percent, tile

1385
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: You know and i'm saying top ten percent. Yeah, Of

1386
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: strikeouts yeah so like that that's WHERE the nuance i.

1387
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: Think is applied but, at the top top top screw

1388
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: nuance with whom when it, Comes. To that souff that's.

1389
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 3: The other thing like you look at all The Aces In,

1390
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: major league baseball the thing that jumps out about them

1391
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 3: is they're willing to work deep because they have both tools.

1392
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: In Their Toolbox like garrett cole can throw, two hundred

1393
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: innings but he can also flirt with. Three hundred Strikeouts,

1394
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: jacob de gram if he, ever stayed healthy could flirt with.

1395
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: Two hundred innings he could also flirt with. Three hundred

1396
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: strikeouts it's why we fell In Love. With, max scherzer

1397
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: hell it's why we fell In. Love with sale it's

1398
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 3: Why we. Love Wheeler now like i'm, totally, with you

1399
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: man and like. That's the thing the best pitchers in baseball,

1400
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 3: can do both but the harder one to develop and

1401
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 3: the more valuable one is the.

1402
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: Swing and, mess i'll say to validate that question, A

1403
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: little bit i do think that the guys that do

1404
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: both pretty. Well get underrated because they don't do the

1405
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: off The charts at franburg, when he's clicking it's not,

1406
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: twenty you know it's not off. The charts case but

1407
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 2: he does get a lot a good amount of swing

1408
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: and miss and he gets a lot. Of ground balls,

1409
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: and it's Like That's about louise castillo another nothing wus,

1410
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: off the page but. He does both those are, the,

1411
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: guys that like if you querry ground ball rate above

1412
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: six or fifty percent and, strike out, rate you know above,

1413
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 2: eight per nine you're gonna get nothing but. Really good

1414
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: pitchers and those are that's below. Average strikeout numbers if

1415
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 2: you put, it over nine you're you're gonna get some

1416
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 2: of the best. Of the best but guys that usually

1417
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: tend to be a. Little, bit underrated yeah a couple.

1418
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: More real quick and, by The way when peter does,

1419
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,560
Speaker 2: listen to this he's, gonna be, like ha ha you

1420
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: guys end up going. An, hour thirty anyways so now

1421
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: we're at an hour, six right now we're our six,

1422
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: Okay world, Now but again, i'm telling, you it's hard

1423
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: it's really hard to keep these under uh and and

1424
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: it's it's, tough because again there's usually some GREAT questions

1425
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 2: and i always want to make sure we answer, Them

1426
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: in detail so nine and ten we will answer. In

1427
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: detail here What should the tigers do at? The trade deadline?

1428
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 2: Nice and simple it comes From seth underscore Hensley. Seven

1429
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: on instagram that is an open ENDED fun and i

1430
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of different ways you can go.

1431
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: With that question i'll kick it to you because we

1432
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: can even talk. About this before what do You think the? Tigers?

1433
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 3: SHOULD do jack i think They Should hunt michael lorenzen adjacent,

1434
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: dials this offseason and they made a one for one

1435
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 3: Swap of the. Phillies, last year lorenzen who Is their

1436
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: all star Representative For how You lee and lee is

1437
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: not a top ten prospect. In their System But how

1438
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 3: you lee is a guy that like had decent prospect Pedigree,

1439
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 3: with the phillies like they move for a. Mid level

1440
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: prospect mid level prospects are not going to come up

1441
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 3: and be, major league stars but he could be a package.

1442
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: In another trade. Down the line he could come up

1443
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: and give them a sneaky two and a half win

1444
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: season when.

1445
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 3: THEY need it i think that they have a really

1446
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,480
Speaker 3: good bedrock to, build around Here.

1447
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 2: Not including, spencer torkleson UNFORTUNATELY.

1448
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: And like i don't think, you TRADE torque like i

1449
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 3: think you just ride it out with your former number.

1450
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: One overall, PICK but yeah i, was gonna say so

1451
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: that the one thing that we should. Preface with here

1452
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: they're a game. Under, five hundred yeah normally that be

1453
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: Okay In. The al central. Not this year that's seven and.

1454
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 2: A half out you're not going to get. The Wild

1455
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 2: card wild card's not going To Benefit the al Central.

1456
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: And the guardians sure they might come down to earth,

1457
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: a little bit but. They're Way ahead the royals are

1458
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,879
Speaker 2: just a better team, at this Point and the twins

1459
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: are a better team. At this point so, the point

1460
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: being you're not trying to. WIN this, Year i mean

1461
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: i'm not saying you should, just you know fold, and

1462
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: turn over but they're not in a spot, where, it's

1463
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: like oh we can. MAKE a run i think it's

1464
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: going to be really Hard, for. THE tigers though i

1465
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: think they're gonna play competitive ball and think they can

1466
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: hover around five hundred for most. Of the year but

1467
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 2: to kind of get back to what, you were saying,

1468
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: for that reason they should be looking at the pieces

1469
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: that they. Can sell Off. Similar to lorenzen, but that

1470
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 2: said they're also not far away, from BEING competitive and

1471
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: i think next year they could be a dark horse

1472
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 2: playoff team because what you mentioned with with some of

1473
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: these pieces that you can Look At and harry carpenter

1474
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: looks like he is a sustainably good hitter and we've

1475
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: talked about him for, a long time but it's just

1476
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: he's hit. That Next level riley green Looks Like the

1477
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: riley green we've. Been waiting on those. Are Core pieces

1478
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: cole keith is, coming to life which. Is so exciting

1479
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: that's like some of the core. Offensive pieces here but

1480
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: you Can move A, canna and urshella. You could beg

1481
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: you could blackmail other Teams to Take. Cave or bias

1482
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: you still are going to Hold On, a torquo, sin

1483
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: of course but those are the pieces you, probably move

1484
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: off and it's it's kind of working. BETWEEN the margins

1485
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: i would say probably right the this this Deadline for

1486
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: the tigers just selling off some some rental pieces for, The,

1487
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: MOST part yeah.

1488
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: I THINK so like i also think if you get

1489
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 3: the Right Return, for jack flaherty you Think About. Moving

1490
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 3: jack flaherty his stock is high, at, this point man Like,

1491
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: he oh Yeah.

1492
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: You're moving flarity on a one year deals and you'll

1493
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: get you'll Do better than, lorenzen on. It, way better

1494
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: wait we'll get probably two. And a half how you ease? Maybe.

1495
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 3: Even more yeah so MY thing is i view A

1496
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 3: Bedrock of Riley Green carry carpenter torque for. Better Or,

1497
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: Worse colt keith i'm Close To slapping wenzel, perez in

1498
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 3: that like even if he's. A bench, bat, but man

1499
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 3: like there's no reason. To, trade him no they're not.

1500
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: Gonna trade, him BUT then like I, LOOK at scoobale

1501
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: I Look, at RIE olsen and i look At A.

1502
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: Rejuvenated casey, miz, i'm like okay let's let's. Roll with

1503
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: This And then jason foley in that bullpen makes a.

1504
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: Ton of sense But like a lang has taken, A

1505
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: step back you Think about moving lang if there's like

1506
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: some Serious value there chafin on what a? One year

1507
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 2: deal why Don't you move chaffin. To a contender that.

1508
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: Kind of THING so like i just look at, it

1509
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 3: as hey let's trim off the pieces that may not

1510
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: be a huge element in our.

1511
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five.

1512
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 3: The big one TO me that i get hung UP

1513
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 3: on is i want to see a runway cleared. For

1514
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 3: certain Guys you trade Urshela To get jayce young, In

1515
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: that lineup you, Trade you know flaherty to get a

1516
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 3: job Or a time adden, in that Lineup Or a

1517
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 3: kaider montero. In, that rotation sorry and LIKE that's what

1518
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: i want. To see happen you Can Move a mark

1519
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 3: Canna To Get justin henry molloy to. The big leagues

1520
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 3: that is THE level that i Want To see scott

1521
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,839
Speaker 3: harris work at, this this deadline WHICH.

1522
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: Is WHY i Would i would the one guy WITH

1523
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: control that i would Consider Moving. Is MATT manning and

1524
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: i know he might not break that he might not

1525
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: change your organization with the return that. He brings in

1526
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: but a right hander that you know has first round

1527
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: pedigree has shown flashes at the. Big league level four

1528
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: years of Competitive enough kneed ennings a. Lot of control

1529
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of teams that would be interested in

1530
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: A Move, for matt manning even if they're not even totally.

1531
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: Competitive this year but it's a guy, that you know

1532
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: if you're on the, outside looking in, you add him

1533
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: he helps you in your playoff run and you feel

1534
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: good years ahead THE reason why i mentioned him is

1535
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: because you mentioned the runway for some of, these other

1536
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: guys and, you, could say oh. But it's risky what

1537
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 2: if some of these younger guys. Don't Step Up sawyer

1538
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: gibson long is also going to be coming. Off the

1539
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: il he had an internal. BRACE procedures On I Think

1540
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: sawyer gibson long is a Better Arm than matt manning.

1541
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: AT this stage i just think when you look at

1542
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 2: the stuff and in the command and what he brings,

1543
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: to the table AND he's only i think now they're,

1544
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: The same age they're the. EXACT same age i Would

1545
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: Rather Have sorriy gibson long get that opportunity cash In

1546
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: on on. Manning as well if he starts to throw a.

1547
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 2: Little bit better, he's been fine, but not great but

1548
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: with the control and the team might look at, him,

1549
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: and say hey we can maybe unlock a little bit here,

1550
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: and get, him you know a. LITTLE bit better i

1551
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: don't know if they'll Sit because the tigers obviously have

1552
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: one of the best in the business in the in the,

1553
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: pitching you know coach side and pitching development side, at the.

1554
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: Big BIG level But i think manning is a guy

1555
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: that could end up bringing you in a, sneaky return

1556
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: too since It's Mostly, RENTAL mark canna, i love them

1557
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 2: guy might get them a nice, little return. Too for sure,

1558
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: another team question and this is what we'll, wrap up on,

1559
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: BECAUSE of course i feel like we're always talking. About

1560
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: this team how should the trade deadline Hoook For? The

1561
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 2: blue jays That Comes from Tim. ELLISON on instagram i

1562
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: got A Lot of. Blue jays questions canada does not

1563
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: know what to Do With Their toronto blue, jays RIGHT

1564
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 2: now and i. Don't blame them they are. A frustrating

1565
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: team they have done what we recommended early, in the

1566
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: season Which Was Play david. Schneider moore. Shocker it's worked it's.

1567
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: Help them offensively playing the guy that gets on base

1568
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: more than anybody, in your lineup, playing them more batting

1569
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: him lead off. Results in. Success crazy stuff but, OTHER than,

1570
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: that i mean they're in a. Really weird spot they're

1571
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: four games. Under five hundred they're very much a win

1572
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: now built team that is, not winning now with a

1573
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: mediocre farm system and not really a clear direction one.

1574
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 2: Way or another you're young pieces that you're supposed to

1575
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: be building around are, not really performing and you have

1576
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: decisions to make. ON those guys i Don't Envy the

1577
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 2: blue jays situation in THE slightest if i was, In Control,

1578
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: There Sam adkins i'm i'm stressed because you're in a

1579
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: situation where it almost feels like no matter what you. Can,

1580
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 2: Do wrong yep and maybe that's because that's a situation he.

1581
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 2: Created for himself but at, the same time could You,

1582
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 2: have expected bobachette who went like four for four. The

1583
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 2: other day hopefully he comes alive. That changes things but

1584
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: would You have Expected Bobbachette and lad guerrero to be? What,

1585
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: they are yeah the last even you can even go

1586
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: back to last year And, More with flatty but would you?

1587
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 2: Have expected. That no way but at, the same time

1588
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: you push the chips forward, on var show he looks

1589
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: like actually one of. The better pieces although he's come back.

1590
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: Down To earth george springer you paid a lot for

1591
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: he just looks like he's, old out there man like

1592
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: it just for whatever Reason You, signed kevin kiermeier that's

1593
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: what he looks, old out there for whatever Reason you signed,

1594
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: asaiah kind of he looks. Old out there and, the

1595
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: thing is those guys aren't bring. You back anything you're

1596
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 2: just hoping somebody would take, on their contracts let alone bring.

1597
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 2: You Back anything danny Jansen's, Been good kirk is anyone really? Taking? It,

1598
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 2: him sure maybe but that's not giving you a good.

1599
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 2: Return Right now, and jansen's walking so you Got. To

1600
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 2: keep kirk and all, of a sudden the team with

1601
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 2: three catchers is gonna end up with zero Unless They,

1602
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: extend danny jansen it's gonna be. HALF of one i

1603
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: guess it's If You. Consider alejandro kirk you know that that.

1604
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: Guy for you they're stuck and we didn't get to

1605
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: The pitching where gosman' starting to show his age, A

1606
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: little bit bassett's. SHOWING His age a, Kikuchi's been great barrios,

1607
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: Has been. Great, MANOLA'S back dude i would blow. This shit.

1608
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 2: Up point, blow i'm BLOWING and like i kind of

1609
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 2: almost wanted to ease into that and like still like

1610
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: go through it one last time, in my head? Blow

1611
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: it up what? Are we doing this. Isn't turning around

1612
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: it's not gonna get, better next year it's not gonna

1613
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: get better of the year after that unless you blow.

1614
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: THIS mffort up.

1615
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 3: I Don't think ross atkins Is With the blue jays.

1616
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 3: AFTER this year I Don't think john schneider Is With

1617
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 3: the blue jays.

1618
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: After this year we'll see what ownership.

1619
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 3: SAYS to them i think the only way you get

1620
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 3: this massive boulder moving downhill is if You. TRADE bow

1621
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: bashett i think that's the only way you.

1622
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: Kick START this and i think that is one of

1623
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: the moves you would make, if you're saying blow? This

1624
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 2: shit up? Is? It not yes AND honestly it's i

1625
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 2: think It's. IT'S trade barrios i Think. It's trade kokuchi

1626
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: you Think it's.

1627
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 3: TRADE barrios TOO i Think i think, Kokuchi for sure,

1628
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 3: kukuchi right away you. JUST do it i think You

1629
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 3: could trade gosman too expensive over a.

1630
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: Couple of years You can hold barrios because you got

1631
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: him under control. UNTIL twenty nine i think that's. A

1632
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: fair COUNTERPOINT it's the aav that You're. Getting with barrios

1633
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be below the qualifying off right. For

1634
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: a PLAYER so so i.

1635
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 3: Think the way you really get this thing moving Is,

1636
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 3: you trade Boshett, you trade gosman and then after that

1637
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 3: you see what you can get, and, it's like hey,

1638
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 3: By The way. George, springer's available. Okay that's great i'm,

1639
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 3: not touching him, like you know it's that kind of

1640
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 3: thing if somebody Wants To, rent justin turner, who's you. Know, swinging,

1641
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 3: it okay. Enough go ahead but those are the two

1642
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 3: big ones that like get. This Thing started arelvis martinez.

1643
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 3: Needs A spot addison barger, needs a spot like we

1644
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 3: need to see what's happening moving forward. And right now

1645
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: like they're old and they're, in last, place and, that

1646
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 3: you know sucks to say because they were so exciting

1647
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: on paper going into.

1648
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: Even, last year yeah and even blowing it up like

1649
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: they might be still sneaky decent next year if they.

1650
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 2: DO it, right i agree barjer needs A spot or elvis.

1651
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 2: Needs a spot both those guys. Immediately plug in they're.

1652
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: Big league ready You've got var show who's. Not going

1653
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 2: Anywhere You've got david schneider who's. NOT going anywhere i

1654
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: agree with Holding on to bladdie. At this point and

1655
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: maybe that's a guy that you end up extending Because

1656
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: of the jersey sales and. Things Like, THAT danny jansen

1657
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: i think you should try to extend because he's twenty

1658
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: nine and you can do, THIS pseudo rebuild i think

1659
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: it's more. Of a restructure it's more of an overhaul

1660
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: because just the old the veterans that you brought in,

1661
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: just aren't working and it's not gonna magically. Start working

1662
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: soon you can get a huge Return for, a kakuchi

1663
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: potentially if he keeps, throwing like this you can get

1664
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: it still a really Good return FOR gosman if i

1665
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 2: think starts to throw a, little BIT better and i,

1666
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: Think HE will and i Think, you hold manoa and

1667
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: all of a Sudden. You have burrios You. STILL have

1668
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: manoa i think you know You hope tet him is

1669
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: healthy and can slid. Into the rotation you can sign

1670
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: a couple, bounce back, guys You. Trade gimme garcia all

1671
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: of a sudden your pharm. System is revamped you have

1672
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: guys that you can, plug in immediately and you're gonna

1673
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: have a lot of money coming off, The books too

1674
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 2: And especially when springer's up and some of these other

1675
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 2: guys are up and you can attack free agency. All

1676
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: over again i'm not saying they. NEED to rebuild i

1677
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: just think they need to totally restructure and undo the

1678
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: gigantic mistake that is This roster that atkins put together, twenty,

1679
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: one cups right that's When, They move bias that's When They.

1680
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: Move Rizzo bryant jock peterson was a. One year signing

1681
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 2: they Moved. Him to atlanta they.

1682
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 3: Got nothing back but guess what that, open spot, to

1683
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 3: you know give somebody else. SOME runway there i think

1684
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 3: that's the kind of thing that you can look at, where,

1685
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 3: it's like, hey windows. Closed WE'RE old let's i do

1686
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 3: who we think can be on this team in. TWENTY

1687
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 3: twenty seven i Am pro extend vladdie because he's not

1688
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 3: going to be expensive.

1689
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: AT this point i.

1690
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 3: Think you get gladdy, for four, years seventy five. FOUR

1691
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 3: years eighty i think he says yes to twenty a year,

1692
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: across four years and like, that, sounds like oh that's.

1693
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: Way too much like look at his. His war numbers

1694
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 3: more goes into that than. The fangrause Page Like He's.

1695
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 3: Vladimir guerrero junior he was on the cover of a

1696
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: fucking video. Game this year his Dad is A, Hall,

1697
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 3: of famer like you got to remember that he is

1698
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: a franchise cornerstone because of things that happen off the

1699
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 3: field and. On the field he's gonna hit enough to

1700
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: be worth ten million dollars. At first base you could

1701
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 3: pay him ten off, the field otherwise and.

1702
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 2: He's already trying to. Swing it better and at, the,

1703
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: SAME time too i get to sign a good faith, to, the,

1704
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 2: fans like hey this is. Not A teardown and I love,

1705
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: the cubs example because they restructure and by twenty twenty

1706
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: three they almost. Make THE playoffs and i think a

1707
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 2: couple of balls bounce int a couple different ways and

1708
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 2: the catch is made and they do. Make the playoffs,

1709
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: and this, year you know we're looking at them as.

1710
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: A legitimate threat and what. Do they do they went

1711
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: out and signed. Some free agents they replenished, the farm

1712
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 2: system and they built not only a team, that's now

1713
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: competitive a team that's sustainably good instead of just trying

1714
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: to put together veterans and. Make it happen, just never

1715
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: works and then you get. Stuck in purgatory And If

1716
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: the blue jays, don't do this if they stand pat

1717
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: they will. Be, in purgatory yes that's a no doubt. Thing,

1718
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: for me.

1719
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and guess what Man like, the rizzo return who's up,

1720
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: At this Point nobody, like kevin o'contra we're getting tired

1721
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 3: of at This POINT. In double a and then the

1722
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 3: other guy was was an arm. THAT came over i

1723
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 3: think he's Out of the cub system. AT this Point

1724
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 3: i think i'm blanking on. Who that was but That was,

1725
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 3: the Rizzo deal. The brian Deal Canario and caleb killian

1726
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: they've provided minimal help to the big league club and

1727
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 3: you know. They, Both DEBUTED okay canario i think can

1728
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 3: be fine if, given extended run but like he's not.

1729
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 3: Getting extended Run, AND then pca i know he's a

1730
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 3: top one hundred prospect in, all of baseball but it's

1731
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 3: not like he's contributed in droves at the. Big league

1732
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: level like you moved, all those guys they're not really

1733
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 3: helping at the, major league level but. You still improved

1734
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 3: like it's just the idea of, starting, from scratch yes

1735
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 3: and giving your.

1736
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: Young guys opportunities too that were ALREADY in the org

1737
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 2: and you hope that you do better on those Trades

1738
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,759
Speaker 2: and the cubs and you're in an even better. Situation

1739
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 2: VERY quickly so i think that's. An excellent, point and

1740
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: again the young pieces that they have right now will

1741
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 2: make them still they're not going. To be bad even

1742
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: if you tore, this all down they. Wouldn't be bad

1743
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: they'd be. Still good enough And especially if Barger and

1744
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 2: ore elvis play the way that we, think they can

1745
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: and they've got some other pieces throughout that, SYSTEM as

1746
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 2: well i think it's a no brainer. To DO that

1747
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: and I know if atkins gets fired and some of

1748
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: these other guys in the front, office get, fired they,

1749
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: will you know whoever takes over, Will DO that and

1750
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 2: i think it would be. The right move whether fans

1751
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: want to see, IT or not i think at this point.

1752
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 2: THEY probably do i think they're probably tired, of this group.

1753
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 2: To be honest that will do it for this episode and.

1754
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 2: This mail bag jack's twenty twenty four mailbag debut was a.

1755
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: Lot of fun our twenty. Two not bad. That's not great,

1756
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: it's not good but it's. Not that. Good, not good

1757
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 2: honestly that's kind Of me And. Peter numbers man you're

1758
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: supposed to, be mister brevity and you're not much shorter

1759
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: than When me and. Peter, get together well, it's US

1760
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: too until I think, next Wednesday's show Because peter's out

1761
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 2: galavantinki and can, kun so, like hey man congrats. On

1762
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: the vacation we're. GONNA put out i think a twenty two.

1763
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: Minute episode tomorrow isn't it like a bachelor party for like.

1764
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: HIS best friend i think. It's, a wedding no. It's

1765
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: a wedding it's, a legit wedding. Even. Gip, wedding Crazy

1766
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: yeah And peter. And peter's already peter's gonna be listening

1767
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: to The, Podcast in, mexico i'm guaranteed and he's, gonna be,

1768
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 2: LIKE damn it i need to get. Back, TO work.

1769
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 2: YEAH i need i need to get. Back in There

1770
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: why DIDN'T? Why am I why? Am i here but

1771
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: that that'll do it. For, This episode hopefully peter's having

1772
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 2: a Wonderful, time in, mexico much deserved and we will

1773
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: be back the rest. Of the week it'll Be me

1774
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: and jack, getting after it and we'll talk to you

1775
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:26,879
Speaker 2: tomorrow