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Speaker 4: Happy New Year, everybody, Happy New Year, twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 6: Barry looked like the only uncle and then the family
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Speaker 4: I got some threads engagements I had.
Speaker 7: I had to, you know, put a little something known
Speaker 7: starting the new year off right. I appreciated my brother. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I appreciates married.
Speaker 4: The house, former Cowboys, Verry Verry church Way, former Cowboy
Speaker 4: defensive line. Me to my trade more. Happy new Year.
Speaker 5: I appreciate.
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Speaker 4: Man looking forward to Heckma Harrison house man. A lot
Speaker 4: of basketball you had going on this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, yes, a lot of things happening.
Speaker 4: Who's the best player you saw when the games you
Speaker 4: were doing this week?
Speaker 6: Oh man, it's gonna have to be a female man.
Speaker 6: I've I've called some pretty incredible women's basketball over the
Speaker 6: last couple of days. The Tamisha Lampkin at the University
Speaker 6: of North Texas has the w n B. A uh,
Speaker 6: she's gonna be a picky scouts GMS coming in to
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get through this. Yoah, we're gonna get.
Speaker 5: You too.
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Speaker 5: One I half for a minute. Man, it was quality
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Speaker 4: I got quality five.
Speaker 5: Five years. Yeah. So what made you what made you
Speaker 5: just decide to cold?
Speaker 9: Was clean?
Speaker 4: What's clean? Go snatch what's clean?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 4: It was clean?
Speaker 2: Would would you at least take the tag off?
Speaker 5: That's all just about to say, who's going to expose him?
Speaker 5: That he got the tag on that? I thought it
Speaker 5: brand naming, said the man.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, have you got a couple?
Speaker 9: Actually?
Speaker 4: Would you go to my way? Man, he's gonna double shape.
Speaker 4: It's still playing shape.
Speaker 8: You don't okay, we're talking about people to send you
Speaker 8: the hoodie, so that way you be the bandwagon next year.
Speaker 2: Aware, Naddy, you know where he'll where he will do that.
Speaker 4: I always support your people, supporting people, man, I stuff
Speaker 4: in my book. I think my daughter got me a case.
Speaker 4: I'm the K State Dad. We're going to see We're
Speaker 4: going to see K State TCU Sunday Saturday.
Speaker 2: Man, are you yeah?
Speaker 5: You said we like we as in my daughter.
Speaker 4: My daughter goes to go to K State. So they're
Speaker 4: gonna play say.
Speaker 5: I ain't going man, I already knew no way.
Speaker 2: Hell, he's about to run all the way up the Manhattan.
Speaker 5: Ain't no way.
Speaker 4: You ain't doing that? Letting they say no.
Speaker 5: Way, you're going to Manhattan?
Speaker 2: What it was gonna be amazed in the spring to
Speaker 2: pick up a stuff and bring it back.
Speaker 4: They say, no roads and roads are different up there time.
Speaker 4: So it's Pro Bowl. Cowboys are five of them in there.
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons makes it Lamb makes it it right. We
Speaker 4: had our boy Turt make it. Yeah, Tomas agree with that,
Speaker 4: the big dog Smith and uh and Brandon Aubrey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got it right.
Speaker 4: They chopped it in half last year, Uber ten. This
Speaker 4: year they're five.
Speaker 2: They got it right.
Speaker 4: Man, got it right.
Speaker 8: Anybody you think they left off Jordan Lewis, he had
Speaker 8: a good season, good Pro Bowl worthy.
Speaker 7: I didn't think he took the ball away enough. I
Speaker 7: don't think you got so many good Nichols in the NFC.
Speaker 7: You know Murphy Uh, that the cat from where's he now?
Speaker 2: Detroit?
Speaker 7: He played safety and Nickels. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 7: of casts out there. Jordans had a great year, though,
Speaker 7: great year.
Speaker 4: Nick Harris put some of his numbers up there against
Speaker 4: so many other corners and and they're favorable.
Speaker 9: I and this is just me.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up making it
Speaker 4: because we know every alternate.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah so so, but they let you know, right
Speaker 7: like when they put him out there, they'll let you
Speaker 7: know that you're the third alternate or the second alternate
Speaker 7: or something like that.
Speaker 8: Further along in playoff, people started dropping off in some
Speaker 8: type of way, and then you.
Speaker 5: Know, you don't want to play in the game Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: So, especially nowadays, it's what the just the games, right,
Speaker 7: it's not even the like the full game game right
Speaker 7: Orlando to Hawaii.
Speaker 8: So do we have any alternates? I've seen sant Frand
Speaker 8: announced that they had some alternates. The no, sant Fran
Speaker 8: had alternates, like I think Trip Williams and those Uh,
Speaker 8: I'm saying cowboys, and so.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 4: Announced alternates.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh they don't.
Speaker 5: They don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, they said no victories around there.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 4: Hey man, I'm uh, I look at the five and
Speaker 4: I just say, you know that that's legitimate. Jeorge Lewis,
Speaker 4: you can make an argument for but for the season
Speaker 4: that they've had, it's.
Speaker 5: Hard to get.
Speaker 2: Dudes, do you still view the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 8: It?
Speaker 4: See?
Speaker 6: It seems like to me the Pro Bowl isn't viewed
Speaker 6: the way that it used to be because it's now
Speaker 6: in the hands of the fans. It used to be
Speaker 6: one of those awards that you know, people have ten
Speaker 6: Pro Bowls, blah blah blah. It used to be mad man,
Speaker 6: that it's not that.
Speaker 4: Way because because the autin people like I ain't playing.
Speaker 5: Yeah you got then I feel like people are down
Speaker 5: as mad.
Speaker 8: But then you have those players that I'm not mad
Speaker 8: that I really can care less about the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 8: But then centem based like that's where I missed out
Speaker 8: on that extra bag right there, So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't know what it takes for me to get voted,
Speaker 8: So that's not I feel like that's the only upset
Speaker 8: because the Pro Bowl and the Pro Bowl no more
Speaker 8: like it's not the competition in fact that you go
Speaker 8: out there you play dodgeball and stuff like that. But
Speaker 8: back in the day, like it was when it was
Speaker 8: I'm taking that trip, there was ready for it in Orlando.
Speaker 2: You know, nothing wrong. Respect it ain't Hawaii. Ain't Hawaii.
Speaker 4: Your family not trying to get that Orlando trying to
Speaker 4: get that Hawaii trip down there, Matt J. W. Marriott
Speaker 4: and the resorts with those nice four lagoons that they
Speaker 4: have over there.
Speaker 5: Man, not like you've been there, Go ahead, talk that tall.
Speaker 5: I only dream I'm voting dream.
Speaker 2: Don't, don't, don't. You don't even open that candle.
Speaker 5: Let's go fish.
Speaker 2: Bring it back sixteen sixteen seventeen. Man, did I get
Speaker 2: it right?
Speaker 4: It happened a long long time ago, unexpectedly, you'll peacock
Speaker 4: unexpected unexpectedly. But that's when they I took a vacation
Speaker 4: trip out to Honolulu and then we the Marriotte people,
Speaker 4: had like, Hey, we're going to do like an excoursion
Speaker 4: for the day. So we went to this resort that
Speaker 4: they had out there, and so it was a timeshare place.
Speaker 4: She had to get you to time I was there,
Speaker 4: and then they ended up saying, well down the road,
Speaker 4: that's the JW. Marriott, that's where they have the Pro
Speaker 4: Bowl stuff at. And so that's how and ended up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I ended up getting a little place there, and I
Speaker 4: don'd up go to but the lagoon stuff was fun.
Speaker 4: I just don't like flying over there. And the problem is,
Speaker 4: and I don't know how you guys, when you travel, man,
Speaker 4: that clock kills me.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 7: It was when I flew back from Hawaii. It was
Speaker 7: that some of the worst jet lag I've ever had.
Speaker 7: Just coming back from Hawaii was like, man, sleep, you could.
Speaker 4: Tell the East Coast people because about seven o'clock they
Speaker 4: were sleeping like it was empty. So that's that's the
Speaker 4: kind of thing. But but for that is the busiest
Speaker 4: time they have over in colon is pro bols Like
Speaker 4: you can't get over there, families over there, and then
Speaker 4: then you could wrench your place out because people people
Speaker 4: were trying to get all their families because everybody wanted
Speaker 4: to go. And now that they put it in Orlando,
Speaker 4: it's just different kind of things because you know a
Speaker 4: lot of people for their first time is going to
Speaker 4: Hawaii or you know football players, and then of course
Speaker 4: you know breaking the Pro Bowl is a special thing
Speaker 4: and you want to bring your family.
Speaker 5: What he said, I wouldn't privileged enough to experience those
Speaker 5: luxurious I'm just going to live through you guys, and
Speaker 5: you know, take it for what it is. It is
Speaker 5: what it is, no magical.
Speaker 4: So so you know this is this could be it
Speaker 4: for command Date Turpin. You know, Sunday could be his
Speaker 4: final game and he could be playing for somebody else.
Speaker 4: In the fact, he's made the Pro Bowl twice in
Speaker 4: three years.
Speaker 7: On Pro He's gonna be on a proble they say,
Speaker 7: back alert, somebody got a bidding ward.
Speaker 5: Somebody got to pay you. But do you let him leave?
Speaker 5: Here is the question. I wouldn't you do? Not let
Speaker 5: that talent leave.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let it.
Speaker 8: We talked about it a few shows ago about developing
Speaker 8: your own talent and going out there and getting one
Speaker 8: of your hitting gems.
Speaker 5: Do you just let him walk away?
Speaker 6: They got to give credit to Will McClay for this,
Speaker 6: being able to get guys to come from those you know,
Speaker 6: those leagues, bring those guys up. How he found brownon
Speaker 6: Nobbery also and developed him. Imagine the kicking battle with
Speaker 6: Brandon Aubrey. And it's just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: But I mean to me, with all the rule changes
Speaker 6: in the way the NFL has tried to go and
Speaker 6: limit you know, those those collisions, seeing him thrive as
Speaker 6: a returner, there were so many question marks around him
Speaker 6: coming from TCU, people talking about his character and things
Speaker 6: like that. Man, he came in and kept his head
Speaker 6: down and got to work, and these Pro bowls is
Speaker 6: just indicative of his the miles trap that he gets here,
Speaker 6: that's a success story.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 6: And if he ends up with the bag here, then
Speaker 6: it's going to be well deserved because of what he's
Speaker 6: the role that he's filled because it's been there. It's
Speaker 6: been a role that the Cowboys and needed as far
Speaker 6: as a guy on special teams to be that be
Speaker 6: that threat since probably.
Speaker 5: Dwayne Harris, I'll just Dee Harris.
Speaker 8: You haven't had a guy that's been that spectacular. And
Speaker 8: then not even just to mention that spectacular on special team.
Speaker 8: When de Harris did get that opportunity to go in
Speaker 8: on offense, he showed them I'm not just a return
Speaker 8: and when the opportunity presented himself, he made those players
Speaker 8: to say, hey, I'm a solid wide receiver. Got paid
Speaker 8: by the Cowboys, then left and went to a couple
Speaker 8: other teams and did his thing as a receiver and
Speaker 8: that's what's going to make his journey. Everybody loves the
Speaker 8: comeback story for him. He has the most on the
Speaker 8: orthodox story. We're talking about going from a major D
Speaker 8: one school to playing in the uh what the USFL
Speaker 8: at the time, I'm sorry UFL, but then to like
Speaker 8: you said, to be in a perennial and being a playmaker.
Speaker 8: He has some talent like guys that you mentioned T Slater,
Speaker 8: like those type of guys like you know that he's
Speaker 8: going to do it for special teams. But I'm excited
Speaker 8: to see what he's going to do once he gets
Speaker 8: the bag. And then when he gets the bag, if
Speaker 8: he gets it here and then does his role Expand
Speaker 8: that's what I want to see.
Speaker 2: It has to wherever you go.
Speaker 4: So don't you help me understand? This is a former player.
Speaker 4: De Harris was catching passes in East Carolina and putting
Speaker 4: up numbers, and then of course he was a return guy,
Speaker 4: which is what propelled him to be able to come
Speaker 4: into the league. And then the same thing with Turr
Speaker 4: TCUs catching passes here and making plays. Why is it
Speaker 4: these teams just stick them and kick return and then oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, it's almost by accident. You got to
Speaker 4: find out that, oh they can catch the ball, make
Speaker 4: people miss and help you help.
Speaker 8: You man, that's that is a good questions.
Speaker 5: Who really has the answer to that.
Speaker 8: You come in with these labels, and once you come
Speaker 8: in with the label, everybody wants their label to fit
Speaker 8: wherever they fit, at least being from the player's perspective
Speaker 8: and looking in and it's like, don't forget I was
Speaker 8: that guy, and it's your job to remind him and
Speaker 8: I give it to guys like.
Speaker 5: T Slater and Dee Harris.
Speaker 8: And then Turt when we talk about them, to go
Speaker 8: from being a playmaker and the guy in the whole
Speaker 8: nuance of being the star player till now you have
Speaker 8: to figure out you're not only a star player or
Speaker 8: your role player, but you've been categorized as a special
Speaker 8: team player. But the thing about it is some guys
Speaker 8: that come in you have a prior to ego and
Speaker 8: it's like they don't really embrace their role, but the
Speaker 8: way that they embrace their role. And for I think
Speaker 8: it's a little easier for Turt because he knows come
Speaker 8: in and playing in that the league, the USFL, you're
Speaker 8: barely on the roster, and the fastest way for you
Speaker 8: to stay on the roster cal can I do this
Speaker 8: through special teams. And when you go out there and
Speaker 8: make that play, it doesn't matter if your name gets
Speaker 8: yelled on special teams. Your name good yells on defense,
Speaker 8: your name get yelled on offense. Somebody is yelling. And
Speaker 8: once you get that adrenaline, are rush and you realize
Speaker 8: like hey, like you got Dak Prescott coming over to saying, hey,
Speaker 8: we need a big play for you and you can
Speaker 8: go over there and change the momentum of the game.
Speaker 8: I think those players truly embrace that special team role
Speaker 8: and they say, it's not a label.
Speaker 5: I'm a playmaker. Whenever I get on the field, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna make that play.
Speaker 8: And so with guys like that, it's different and it's
Speaker 8: special because you have some guys that work there but
Speaker 8: to get there, and you have some guys that have
Speaker 8: to humble theirself going to be in the first, second,
Speaker 8: third round pick, and then now you're being asked to
Speaker 8: go do special team And how many of those guys
Speaker 8: truly ball out on that on that level? So I
Speaker 8: think it comes to it comes down to pride and
Speaker 8: depending on your journey. But with the front office, once
Speaker 8: they put your label on there, like I said, it's
Speaker 8: up to you to outplay your label because at the
Speaker 8: end of the day, that bad talk. If you got
Speaker 8: paid to do this and start her It's like when
Speaker 8: it's I think of it in boxing because I'm a
Speaker 8: big boxer fan. When Floyd Mayweather's out there, Floyd is
Speaker 8: not gonna get a loss. You have to earn and
Speaker 8: prove that you're that guy. So you have to prove
Speaker 8: and knock out this label right here and show them like, hey,
Speaker 8: I don't just do this on the side, so whenever
Speaker 8: you need me, and then when your name is called, hey,
Speaker 8: you only got a few opportunities make those plays. And
Speaker 8: if you're not a playmaker there, you might be a
Speaker 8: playmaker somewhere else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta it's up to the player.
Speaker 7: It's up to the player to go out there and
Speaker 7: remind these guys that I'm more than just what you
Speaker 7: put me in as a box, as a label. You're
Speaker 7: gonna get that label coming into the to the whatever
Speaker 7: system you're in, and it's your job to take care
Speaker 7: of those responsibilities or opportunities that aren't just special teams.
Speaker 2: And that's the one thing when you talk about.
Speaker 7: Turping that I'm not so sure he's taking full advantage
Speaker 7: of his opportunities at the wide receiver spot. And now
Speaker 7: I get the trick plays as far as reversus and
Speaker 7: bubble screens and all that good stuff. I understand he's
Speaker 7: knocked out the box. But when you talk about those
Speaker 7: those routes that maybe a dig right over the middle
Speaker 7: or you know, a deep poster something, There's been plenty
Speaker 7: of times where we've seen urp as a body catcher,
Speaker 7: and he's dropping these passes. So if you want to
Speaker 7: get yourself outside of that label, that that box that
Speaker 7: they put you in. Its just a specialty. He can
Speaker 7: only affect the game special team or he can only
Speaker 7: do you know, big flash play here and there. You
Speaker 7: got to be more consistent at the position that you
Speaker 7: want to strive in. And for him, he wants to be,
Speaker 7: you know, considered a wide receiver, a true rade receiver
Speaker 7: in his league. I believe he has to get a
Speaker 7: little bit more consistent as far as catching the football.
Speaker 7: We know he's explosive, we know with the ball in
Speaker 7: his hands, he's a dangerous individual. But he's just got
Speaker 7: to get more consistent at those routine catches. And it
Speaker 7: may not result in a twenty five yard game, but
Speaker 7: if you can get that ten yard slint, catch it
Speaker 7: in front of a contested guy but trying to knock
Speaker 7: the ball out from behind you, that goes leaps and bounds.
Speaker 4: I feel like he has to get a little bit
Speaker 4: more CONSCIENTI.
Speaker 5: If that goes back to what I was saying about,
Speaker 5: like those guys that get the bag.
Speaker 8: You see typically once people get bags, they either coast
Speaker 8: it out and say hey, I made it and I'm
Speaker 8: a ride it and I'm keeping a copoesthetic. Or then
Speaker 8: you got those guys that get the bag and get
Speaker 8: a little bit hungrier because they're selling hasn't even been
Speaker 8: hit yet.
Speaker 5: His shielm hasn't been hit. We've only seen them as
Speaker 5: the playmaker.
Speaker 8: Imagine when you get that extra money and now put
Speaker 8: you in the realm of CD lamb telling you like, hey,
Speaker 8: you need to come train with us because I need
Speaker 8: that number two guy and take him under that wing
Speaker 8: to learn how to run routes, how to get on
Speaker 8: the drug machine, and then you put yourself and catapult
Speaker 8: yourself into a new level or new label, if that
Speaker 8: makes sense.
Speaker 5: So it's about will want to I wait for the
Speaker 5: bag for that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you wait, wait for the bag. I mean, but
Speaker 8: I'm just saying like some people are already laying the
Speaker 8: foundation for that.
Speaker 5: But we also know like when the bag come, it's
Speaker 5: a certain level of the more opportunities.
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Speaker 4: Cotton Bowl. We'll get to Ezekiel Elliot the minute. But
Speaker 4: but we have we have we have a touch point,
Speaker 4: and we have a touch point here on the show.
Speaker 4: As we were watching uh the Bowl game yesterday between
Speaker 4: Arizona State and Texas down there in Atlanta, GA, the
Speaker 4: Peach Bowl. Arizona State's got the football, they are driving. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a third down. It was targeting, straight up targeting.
Speaker 4: I think all of us in agreement. We're not big
Speaker 4: targeting people. But as many calls as we've seen had helmet, hid, helmet, flag,
Speaker 4: malicious hit should have been a first down for Arizona State.
Speaker 4: Arizona State having the football and the opportunity to run
Speaker 4: out the clock, when to get That's.
Speaker 6: What I thought true it was, But it was one
Speaker 6: of those calls that you see in the moment and
Speaker 6: when when I saw the officials huddle. So now, y'all, y'all, hey,
Speaker 6: I know what you better not be doing. Y'all better
Speaker 6: not have taken that call. Take that call, that call,
Speaker 6: you know the call.
Speaker 9: Me.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, that's that was wild in real time.
Speaker 2: That was wild to see.
Speaker 6: I've watched enough games, guys, I've called enough games where
Speaker 6: I've seen targeting and somebody's asking me about it, and
Speaker 6: I'm telling you have to bite my cheek, not to
Speaker 6: say give my real feelings, Like, dude, this is football
Speaker 6: twenty years ago, nobody would have stopped the actually wouldn't
Speaker 6: we continue to.
Speaker 4: The next play. But now but now it's like we
Speaker 4: have to super slow mode.
Speaker 5: We have to look down.
Speaker 6: We're judging intent on intent on bad passes from quarterbacks,
Speaker 6: leaving guys out to dry. And you got Bury Church
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Speaker 6: you Lord, here you come. Oh, we've been to get
Speaker 6: this bag on you. And again that it is to
Speaker 6: me in college. You see, I've seen less egregious things
Speaker 6: happen in college, and guys get ejected for that. I mean,
Speaker 6: if that was a kid from Arizona State that didn't
Speaker 6: play the first half because in the Big twelve championship
Speaker 6: he blitzed and hit a guy, it's just a blitz.
Speaker 6: And it's things like that, and when you see like
Speaker 6: it changes at the last minute. And I don't want look,
Speaker 6: I don't want to go into what the motive was.
Speaker 6: If they were trying to push things forward for Texas whatever,
Speaker 6: you know, the you know the I'll let you go
Speaker 6: ahead and go because I'm trying to get.
Speaker 5: My baby specials. Hey, I understand what he said. My
Speaker 5: babies are young. Eventually they might get over there.
Speaker 8: But hey, everybody knows there's certain teams that always get
Speaker 8: a little sprinkle on the cup.
Speaker 5: K what they say?
Speaker 8: Parents say, Hey, we don't have a favorite, but you
Speaker 8: know Texas is one of those collegiate schools they get
Speaker 8: that favorite. Bama they get that typically get that swing.
Speaker 8: And with that being said, can we say it was
Speaker 8: a bell? How can we agree that it was that?
Speaker 4: Hey man, this is this is something we have seen
Speaker 4: happen in Texas before where you're just like, how I
Speaker 4: was there at the Big Toal championship game when they
Speaker 4: played Nebraska and the Donoquans who put on a ship
Speaker 4: Colt mcot gonna throw the ball out of bounds. Clock
Speaker 4: run out? They talking about, now there's a second left,
Speaker 4: ain't no second left? The clock ran out? It ran out. Nope, nope,
Speaker 4: there's one second left there run out, justin Tucker. They
Speaker 4: kicked the field goal and then Texas win the big
Speaker 4: top championship that could play Alabama the National championship game.
Speaker 4: It's like and Bo Polini and his brother were they
Speaker 4: were cussing up a storm light. They were right then
Speaker 4: I remember another time it's Vince Young's here when they
Speaker 4: end up win the National Championship game. They were dead
Speaker 4: to write dying in Kansas. All of a sudden the
Speaker 4: call comes out there. Mark Mangino say, everybody know what
Speaker 4: this is about? Three letters bcs. The next thing you know,
Speaker 4: they fine, Mark man Gino. Texas ended up winning the game,
Speaker 4: won the National championship. So for people who say, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, this is a blue blood call, blue blood's call,
Speaker 4: they get calls that was a blue blood call all
Speaker 4: day for them, sit there.
Speaker 5: And sit there and say that is it's not targeted
Speaker 5: even with your man.
Speaker 4: The man's helmet hit first t other man's. The man
Speaker 4: was laid out on the field for another three minutes.
Speaker 7: That's what the safety of the players, and that this
Speaker 7: man got targeted, laid on the field for three more
Speaker 7: extra minutes.
Speaker 2: Can can I just say, bar Church, you may not
Speaker 2: be the person to argue this is.
Speaker 8: You.
Speaker 2: You may not be the guy.
Speaker 9: For Gratu riding here at the university, but if I
Speaker 9: had to pick the gun, that is.
Speaker 5: But that was a bull job.
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, that was the thing. And and
Speaker 4: I always I don't know about you. I enjoy searching
Speaker 4: social media from guys who played, and the overwhelming thing
Speaker 4: I saw from guys who played defensive guys were like, Dan,
Speaker 4: ain't targeting, that's not targeting, and people who who were like,
Speaker 4: hey man, we see what it is. We know that's
Speaker 4: not what it is.
Speaker 5: So overwhelming.
Speaker 4: You had the player see then overwhelming, you have people
Speaker 4: who covered the sports and just it was just unless
Speaker 4: you were a Texas fan. And even Clarence Hill, the
Speaker 4: Texas fan, said yeah, it was targeting. That that part
Speaker 4: of it was frustrat Because I was sitting there watching
Speaker 4: with my kids. I was like, first down, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I was, this is just news was over.
Speaker 5: I was like the greatest comeback I was.
Speaker 8: I was excited for the running back that Hey Dallas people,
Speaker 8: I know it's above my pay grade, but that by
Speaker 8: that boy earned some money last night.
Speaker 5: That running back you sketch the bull wait a.
Speaker 8: Seconds on the boot because he scared you and thought
Speaker 8: that it almost helped.
Speaker 4: You about the scotto gonna be.
Speaker 8: He st When I was watching him, I said, oh my,
Speaker 8: this boy is a more polished version follow me Rex
Speaker 8: Burke head.
Speaker 5: That man is talented, can do it all.
Speaker 8: No, and then the fact that he he told you
Speaker 8: Rex Burke he and I said, polish version of Rick
Speaker 8: Burke Riggins.
Speaker 2: What I said, who is scatter Boo is Toby Gearhard.
Speaker 5: That's that's who he is.
Speaker 4: Your boy told me that's who That's who he's Toby gear.
Speaker 5: That is who cut out the.
Speaker 4: White running backs together.
Speaker 5: Put him in the pol put him in there together.
Speaker 5: But what.
Speaker 6: I'm going on the I was looking at him, and
Speaker 6: I'm because I know everybody's on this train about drafting him.
Speaker 6: It's generous. The five to eleven is very generous. Five
Speaker 6: eleven two, Okay, So I'm going there when I look
Speaker 6: at running backs, running backs and just the food chain
Speaker 6: right now, ashing gent and even though like he's another
Speaker 6: one of those small running backs that I think once
Speaker 6: he gets to the NFL, them big arms, punt that
Speaker 6: peanut til my punch, it's gonnay, it's gonna be legit
Speaker 6: a change for him as well. I just look, my
Speaker 6: thinking is when it comes down to running backs and
Speaker 6: the one that we need here, we need a workhrd
Speaker 6: bell cow guy that's gonna be every single down.
Speaker 4: You didn't see that in this last game.
Speaker 6: I saw I saw it against I saw it against
Speaker 6: Texas's defense, which those guys are big and running. But
Speaker 6: I just how seventeen games seventeen games of it. I
Speaker 6: don't know durability, things like that.
Speaker 5: We've got.
Speaker 6: We've got a one year sample size of what he
Speaker 6: did seventeen hundred yards this season. I think he was
Speaker 6: a Sacramento they were saying before, and I may be
Speaker 6: wrong before this, but either way, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna give him a first round grade, second round grade,
Speaker 6: so I'm going third.
Speaker 10: I no, no.
Speaker 8: I said, this was your insurance policy if you can't
Speaker 8: get genty first round pick. But if you can't you
Speaker 8: this is gonna be your workhorse. And he showed me one.
Speaker 8: I was like, all right, man, you did all this
Speaker 8: talking this week. I want to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 8: And in the first quarter they came under they sit down,
Speaker 8: second quarter sit down. He did get a little tender
Speaker 8: and start yelling at his office line he did. But
Speaker 8: what but what I seen though, he did what most
Speaker 8: people do. Tom Brady, all the guys in the past.
Speaker 5: He talked his talk.
Speaker 8: But he came back out there said oh, he started
Speaker 8: lolling him to sleep and hit him and then started throwing.
Speaker 8: And then the boy was hurt and said, hey, coach,
Speaker 8: I'm still inting there, let me grit.
Speaker 5: Down, back down.
Speaker 8: Tuddy built the minimum whoever, So like I said, he
Speaker 8: showed you just the playmakability and then just being a
Speaker 8: leader that is the grit. And that's what I think
Speaker 8: the Cowboys need right there. It's not just having a
Speaker 8: talented running back, but somebody that actually has that grit
Speaker 8: in that let's go. And he showed that he has
Speaker 8: that dollar so he might be able to be a
Speaker 8: steal for someone.
Speaker 4: I thought Arizona State, like all those teams that had
Speaker 4: time off, they were they were slow out the gate.
Speaker 4: Of course it's the other teams.
Speaker 10: I mean.
Speaker 4: Them got bust in the mouth real quick, but they
Speaker 4: came back. But I look at him in terms of
Speaker 4: I don't think of him as a workhorse back. I
Speaker 4: think all these mis pretty much going to be in
Speaker 4: a combo type situation. And I'm thinking, with the amount
Speaker 4: of running backs coming out there for the Cowboys, if
Speaker 4: they drafted two guys, I would not be opposed to it.
Speaker 4: I would not be opposed to that.
Speaker 8: You have to draft two guys because if we don't
Speaker 8: know what's gonna happen with Rico after that, or I mean,
Speaker 8: you're you're saying you're gone, but like for him to
Speaker 8: be undrafted, like you said, develop your own talent, you
Speaker 8: got to keep somebody here and you need an insurance policy.
Speaker 8: So you keep Rico, and then you still draft two
Speaker 8: guys because like you said, neither one. I wouldn't say
Speaker 8: he wasn't going to be my every down back, but
Speaker 8: you pair him up against with Rico and then you
Speaker 8: get your little another scap back out there. Now you're
Speaker 8: talking about you cooking with grits. Like Grandma used to say,
Speaker 8: we're working this stove is warn baby.
Speaker 5: So that's why I think didn't right now.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, disrespect. Let's see what the ben has. I'm
Speaker 6: with you'all.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 6: I just feel like, regardless of what you bring in
Speaker 6: and what you saw from this season from Rico Dow,
Speaker 6: ric may have opportunities out there. We were just talking
Speaker 6: about Cavante Turpin, he'll have opportunities as well.
Speaker 2: I think you have to have a guy that.
Speaker 6: Can As far as the NFC East is concerned, you
Speaker 6: need a guy that could carry that rock. You have
Speaker 6: three yards cloud of dust, whatever however you consider it.
Speaker 6: You need a guy for seventeen games that could be
Speaker 6: able to do that. And that's why I said bell
Speaker 6: Cow work on.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 4: I think you got to get two guys. I don't
Speaker 4: see too many bell Cows out there in the game
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 5: If you.
Speaker 4: At him along with somebody else, he's gonna have to
Speaker 4: get a different number. I don't know the number he's
Speaker 4: gonna get when he comes here.
Speaker 2: But changed a little bit.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 8: I don't know about getting a different number. What they
Speaker 8: say money talk and the walk. He might spend that
Speaker 8: bag when he get there.
Speaker 10: Okay, I just I just you know, I got your
Speaker 10: new we got we almost got halfway through almost.
Speaker 4: Struts. Well you look Ezekie Elliott when we come back here.
Speaker 2: We got it to.
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Speaker 2: A fanatics experience all right to yell.
Speaker 5: It gone.
Speaker 4: Happy at the show Man that show.
Speaker 2: They don't do that right, like before we come on.
Speaker 2: This is this is what we've had.
Speaker 6: This happen to us a lot guys, but we are
Speaker 6: on the road and all of a sudden, boom, espn.
Speaker 4: Ain't that something he requested it?
Speaker 5: That's what they say.
Speaker 4: That's what we say, requested man, because.
Speaker 7: Like you'll think he's somebody on snag like when he
Speaker 7: play gonna blame me, No, we need you to go ahead.
Speaker 5: I'm a I'm gonna be the seller in on there.
Speaker 5: No no, like know what, like what when I saw him?
Speaker 8: What did you do that says hey, I need to
Speaker 8: pick you up like Clais Campbell got the guy when
Speaker 8: you say, hey we need him in on this playoff run. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they signed you expecting like and this is no shot.
Speaker 8: At Rico shout out to him for doing what he did.
Speaker 8: Missed a thousand yard running back, but they signed him
Speaker 8: with intentions of him taking over for him and doing
Speaker 8: the one two punch with Zeke being the emphasis.
Speaker 5: And he wasn't the emphasis. So what team?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Yards, four touchdowns.
Speaker 6: Isel Elliott came into the league twenty sixteen. Is nine
Speaker 6: year career. I'm telling you, when you first saw him
Speaker 6: coming out of Ohio State. You thought you had those
Speaker 6: delusions of brand injury. You told you yourself he was
Speaker 6: gonna be one of those goats. He's fortieth in all
Speaker 6: time rushing. Yeah, okay, I mean it didn't end the
Speaker 6: way it started. I started to see right around twenty
Speaker 6: twenty one. I think his last thousand yard season was
Speaker 6: when you started to see the decline and like what
Speaker 6: you say, father, father time and then undefeated. And at
Speaker 6: the same time, you know he gutted out some injuries.
Speaker 6: I heard you say plenty of times. They never remember that.
Speaker 4: They don't remember that, remember that.
Speaker 6: So the couple they put they brought Tony Pollard in,
Speaker 6: They did the thunder lightning deal for a little bit
Speaker 6: and then they said, you know what, we're good with
Speaker 6: the lightning. And then next day, you know, zek is
Speaker 6: out of here. Man. This was a failed experiment. And really,
Speaker 6: you know, two hundred and twenty six yards twenty six we.
Speaker 4: Was way off.
Speaker 2: I think I said him, like eight tubs.
Speaker 4: You you had him, you had.
Speaker 5: Predictions. Yet, let's see break it out.
Speaker 4: Don't you ask for it, because the buckets of in tekenty.
Speaker 5: Will burn you. Yeah, Well, let's call Timmer fifth the
Speaker 5: tickets in the.
Speaker 2: Yards yard, evil.
Speaker 4: Person, Mary had five hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 16: Yeah, okay, I was a low sixty five closing. Somebody
Speaker 16: put seven hundred, seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Clubs I did.
Speaker 11: And what did you end up? What it is?
Speaker 2: Six break?
Speaker 11: So talk.
Speaker 5: Break another one.
Speaker 4: That's all right, But it was all wrong, all wrong.
Speaker 4: It was all wrong, man. Then you know so underneath
Speaker 4: here after that till we had we had Dak with
Speaker 4: a touchdown. I had touchdowns and picks. I had thirty
Speaker 4: three touchdowns, eleven picks. Church you had thirty five touchdowns,
Speaker 4: eight picks. Heck, you had thirty six touchdowns fourteen picks.
Speaker 4: He ain't throw nothing closer than none of that touchdown.
Speaker 8: Man, all I'm gonna say is Barry's over here. Sounded
Speaker 8: like a Kevin Hart mean right now, they got me
Speaker 8: a lot.
Speaker 4: Going into that Cleveland game. We had Tyler Geyton how
Speaker 4: much help we had that? Then under Ricodalald we questioned
Speaker 4: said Batman or Robin.
Speaker 2: Which was that.
Speaker 4: Going into the Cleveland game? And then we had Ferguson
Speaker 4: and Cooks kind of like you know, which one of
Speaker 4: the two guys is going to step up and help out?
Speaker 8: I was wrong.
Speaker 5: Another one. Yeah, man, you need to just turn on
Speaker 5: that rustead of song. This is mine sorry for That
Speaker 5: was twenty four.
Speaker 2: That was hard.
Speaker 7: Will say this about z though, when I was there
Speaker 7: with him his rookie year, when he stepped on to
Speaker 7: the scene, Man, he's explosive, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 7: we had what we had in the mark and I'm like,
Speaker 7: ain't nothing going.
Speaker 4: Marco was we needed somebody else like that. And I
Speaker 4: don't know if he's gonna be able to do that
Speaker 4: because in camp he's started a little slow, had heavy
Speaker 4: feet out there, and I was like.
Speaker 7: Man, the fourth pick overall on this dube man. But
Speaker 7: the man shot out of a cannon when the regular
Speaker 7: season started and.
Speaker 11: He literally carried it.
Speaker 4: After that Giant game, he carried us.
Speaker 8: But said earlier in the show about Turt, it depends
Speaker 8: on when you get that bad what happens.
Speaker 5: Will you elevator or will you start to see a dcline?
Speaker 5: He was mad.
Speaker 8: The question, I guess goes down to, did the Cowboys
Speaker 8: pay him too late or they should have paid him earlier.
Speaker 8: If they had paid him earlier, will we not have
Speaker 8: a Zeke that went to Cowbo that set out for
Speaker 8: most of the year and did the Le'Veon Bell experiment.
Speaker 8: And then from there it was like, hey, now we
Speaker 8: just see that snowball effect of him going down. If
Speaker 8: you would have gave him his bag earlier, he'd have
Speaker 8: still been here. He'd just been playing from the start
Speaker 8: of the season. He could have got the ball rolling.
Speaker 8: And we're talking about the changing your career potentially, so
Speaker 8: that bag is different when the timing of it. And
Speaker 8: so hopefully we learn from experience with a lot of
Speaker 8: people that's coming up about to get this bag right now,
Speaker 8: don't delay.
Speaker 5: M M. But that's just my opinion. I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's why you're here. You're here, you're here for your opinion.
Speaker 4: Here somebody had questioned whether or not Ezekiel Elliott should
Speaker 4: be in the Cowboy.
Speaker 5: Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2: Wow, what happens?
Speaker 6: What happens to guys at the end of their career,
Speaker 6: those questions start to come up. Immediately you start asking
Speaker 6: a question about the Ring of Honor, Then you started
Speaker 6: the next question is hall of Fame? All of those
Speaker 6: questions start to come up. I mean because now some
Speaker 6: people you frown on it, but you have a Terrell
Speaker 6: Davis with seven thousand yards, it's.
Speaker 2: In the Hall of Fame, that is true.
Speaker 4: Terrell Davis MVP in League Rush for two thousand yards.
Speaker 4: He did Super Bowl MVP, two Super Bowl rings, seven
Speaker 4: thousand yards. And I don't know if he was I
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, I don't know if he's all
Speaker 4: decade or not. I don't know if he's all decade.
Speaker 4: But when you look at impact and you can say
Speaker 4: seven thousand yards, you're legitimate. But when you talk about accomplishments,
Speaker 4: and I say this because I know TDT and I
Speaker 4: did a radio show together, I will talk with him
Speaker 4: about these things when he was trying to get in
Speaker 4: the hold of these are things that are getting used
Speaker 4: against you. And when you talk about impact, not many
Speaker 4: people walking around with his resume of accomplishment two grand
Speaker 4: in a year and MVP is a running back. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know how long.
Speaker 5: How long did TV excuse my ignorance? But maybe that's a.
Speaker 4: Eight, well more than nine, very short. And that first
Speaker 4: one was like special team.
Speaker 5: Wasn't that exactly he was?
Speaker 8: As I said, he got it out the MUK He's
Speaker 8: And so I guess the reason that I asked that
Speaker 8: is because when does factor in play. Per ratio becomes
Speaker 8: a factor because we're talking about somebody like Aaron Donald
Speaker 8: who could.
Speaker 5: Well, obviously he's to go. He's a bad example, I'm
Speaker 5: using him.
Speaker 8: But the fact that he could have kept building along
Speaker 8: his career already impressive resume and kept going. And the
Speaker 8: fact that TV said I'm shutting it down earlier and
Speaker 8: then like you said, the first first.
Speaker 5: Year, you're a true special team guy.
Speaker 8: So you only got so he played seven to eight years,
Speaker 8: you only have truly six five years of true worth.
Speaker 5: The work of him doing that at that position.
Speaker 4: Frank Gore was someone that a Hall of Fame vote
Speaker 4: had talked to me about Terrell Davis. Frank Gordon, he
Speaker 4: said in his opinion, He said, Frank Gorge just played
Speaker 4: a long time and became a stack pilot. Yeah, versus
Speaker 4: the what is it impact of what Terrell Davis did?
Speaker 4: Two thousand yards MVP, three years, four time All Pro
Speaker 4: Super Bowl MVP. The first when they won one fifty
Speaker 4: three l Wait finally won because he got a run game,
Speaker 4: and then they backed it up the next year when
Speaker 4: he was the MVP and won it again. Just like hey,
Speaker 4: when he was here, homeboy took the Broncos to a
Speaker 4: level they had not been before. And a Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame quarterback of John Elway, who went three Super Bowls
Speaker 4: before couldn't win them. Then he's winning them because he
Speaker 4: had a run game and he was a dominant performing
Speaker 4: a true difference maker.
Speaker 6: Now, I mean what you what you're talking about as
Speaker 6: far as impact, did I look at guys like Priest Holmes,
Speaker 6: you know, in that same vein, in the impact that
Speaker 6: they had for the teams that they played for, and
Speaker 6: do they get that opportunity? And that's why all them
Speaker 6: saying like it gets to the end of the career
Speaker 6: and then you start looking at the body of work
Speaker 6: and things like impact starts to man put Darren Woolson
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: While we're doing all.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a conversation four of us. Did he
Speaker 4: make the finals?
Speaker 5: He did?
Speaker 11: He did?
Speaker 5: He did what they said vote. I put it out there.
Speaker 8: My vote has been casting when they're sitting there and
Speaker 8: they ask you who you think, Hey, but he would.
Speaker 4: And the beauty of it is, you know, there's there's
Speaker 4: not the safety competition anymore. Rodney Harrison and not there.
Speaker 4: So now he's the only one so he's definitely worthy
Speaker 4: of the ballot. And I hope we don't get all
Speaker 4: right man. Fun show is always all right.
Speaker 5: Hell.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Yes, sir Deep appreciate you. Church looking good,
Speaker 4: appreciate you.
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