1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: I want to jump right in today because we've got 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: Gordon Chang with us. He is a Gatestone Institute Senior 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Fellow and the author of Plan Read, China's Project to 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Destroy America. This is one of many books though, Gordon. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here today because obviously China is 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: top of mind for everybody in Washington, d C. And 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: for those of us on the outside, we're kind of 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: watching everything, all the strategy play out, and I know 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: you have the inside track. 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, Tutor. And Happy Memorial Day. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Yes, Happy Memorial Day to you as well. 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: So as we watch what's going on, I mean, there's 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: so much because we've got the tariffs, and certainly in 15 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Michigan there are a lot of people that are concerned 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: about the tariffs in general because a lot of the 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: automotive parts come from China or they go back and forth. 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: So there's great concern over tariffs on China being greater 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: than any other country. But can you kind of break 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: down for our audience why that is? 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: Well, most Americans assume this is peacetime, and yes, we're 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: not actually in a war with China. China, however, isn't 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 3: a war with us. They've declared a people's war on 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: us in May twenty nineteen, and that is propaganda. But 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: for the Communist Party it's important words. It is a 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: phrase which has residents that goes back before the establishment 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: of the People's Republic. So for we should consider ourselves 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: not in peace but at war, and in war we 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: have to take extraordinary measures to protect our society. So 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: I can understand why people don't like the tariffs, and 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: they certainly are going to hurt Americans, but this is 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: going to be a sacrifice that all of us are 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: going to make if we want to preserve our society. 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people don't like them 35 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: because we've, especially the younger generation, has grown up with 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: China making so much of our products, and it's so quick, 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: it's so easy, it's so cheap. It all comes through 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: Amazon and gets delivered right to your door. I found 39 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: my kids were suddenly talking about Timu and Sheen and 40 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: all of these things, and they wanted to order all 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: this stuff, and they had actually gone through their grandmother 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: and oh, can you get all this stuff for us? 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: It was interesting though, because it came to the house. 44 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: The quality was so bad. Even the girls were like, wait, 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: what is this? This isn't what I got. No, actually 46 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: it is what you got. But I think that they 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: see it from that standpoint. They don't understand how this 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: impacts pharmaceuticals and intellectual property and all of these things. 49 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: And we saw recently that what's the guy's name, who Dorsey? 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: Who Jack Dorsey? Who had who was the prior owner 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: of Twitter? He came out and he said he wants 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: to get rid of all ip laws altogether. He was 53 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: talking from the standpoint of technology and AI and all 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: of that. People are so ignorant though they have no 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: idea what that kind of thing could do to the 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: United States of America. With China being filled with pirates 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: as it is. 58 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: Well, yes, one of China's trade tactics, and one of 59 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: the reasons why it's become so successful so fast is 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: because it steals us intellectual property. It steals it to 61 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: the tune of about a half trillion dollars a year. 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: That was the estimate of John Ratcliffe when he was 63 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: Director of National Intelligence in December twenty twenty. Now we 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: can argue whether it's one hundred billion dollars more or less. 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: But the point is this is America's future. And while yes, 66 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: the tech companies want to be able to use other 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: people's intellectual property, we've got to protect it because the 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: reason why we have it is because inventors feel that 69 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: they have protection for their work, and that means that 70 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: they have an incentive to actually create something. So it's 71 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: really important that we strengthen intellectual property laws, not weaken them. 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: And I do think that we have to be prepared 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: for what is coming when it comes to AI and 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: making sure that we are we are making sure that 75 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: the companies that are working on that are safe. We 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: saw Donald Trump go to the Middle East. He made 77 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: a big deal on not only AI, but data centers, 78 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: all of this stuff that edit powers that type of technology, 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: which could be the technology of the future, whether it 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: is making movies or war. And you've talked before about 81 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: the ability of China to shut things off through technology, 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: shutting us down completely a war. Like you said, people 83 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: don't think of us as being at war, but there 84 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: is the possibility of coming in and shutting down our electronics, 85 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: shutting down our energy. If we don't have an energy supply, 86 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: we are a third world country. 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not a theoretical concern because recently power inverters, 88 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: which are the devices that connect solar farms and wind 89 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: turbines to our grid, they were shut down remotely from China, 90 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: and China's been able to do this, and. 91 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: So this when was that? 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: Where were we seeing that this was reported by Reuters 93 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: that the Chinese shut this down remotely. 94 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: They didn't report where in the United States, but they 95 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: were reported that it was in the United States where 96 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: this occurred. So this is something that we have to 97 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: be acutely concerned about because there are all sorts of 98 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: devices that have been made in China ship to the 99 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: United States which have components that allow the Chinese to 100 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: remotely control them. So, for instance, those big ship to 101 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: shore cranes at our ports, more than eighty percent of 102 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: them come from one company in Shanghai, and a year 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: or so ago, the Wall Street Journal reported that some 104 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: of these cranes had motives that were not part of 105 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: the original specifications and which were not part of help 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: the cranes operate, So they shouldn't have been there, but 107 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: they were, and those modems gave China the ability to 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: remotely access those cranes, they could disable them or maybe 109 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: cause those cranes to create damage at our ports. 110 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't that just kind of reinforce the idea 111 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: that we should be more self reliant than having all 112 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: of this stuff constantly shipped in. 113 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know another example drones. There's one Chinese company 114 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: from shen Zen Dji that makes about seventy percent of 115 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: the world's drones. Those drones can be used to basically 116 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: surveil because wherever that drone goes, China conceives. Now, people 117 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: can disable some of those features that allowed China to 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: do that, but if they don't disable those features, then 119 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 3: essentially every drone that has those features operating is a 120 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: surveillance tool for Beijing. So they are mapping our country. 121 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: You know, we know that all of these Chinese migrants 122 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 3: that have come in, they've come in at a time 123 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: where we've seen Chinese nationals and increased tempo of them 124 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: trying to get onto our military facilities. We've seen them 125 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: with illegal surveillance of our bases. So they're looking at 126 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: our vulnerabilities, they're seeing our patterns, and essentially this is 127 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: planning for attack, and we should assume that this will occur. 128 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: When you say planning for attack, do you actually mean 129 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: a physical attack that they will come on us soil physical. 130 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: Well, they're already here. So we believe that there are 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: People's Liberation Army and probably Ministry of State security agents 132 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: in large numbers in the United States planning attacks on America. 133 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: So one of the first instances where we will have 134 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: a hint that China plans to use ForCity State Asia 135 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: will be attacks in the United States going after our grid, 136 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: going after starting wildfires, blowing up dams, explosions at shopping 137 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: centers to create terror. All of these things can occur 138 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: and Tutor in the December twenty twenty two an alert 139 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: building inspector in Ridley, California, which is near Fresno in 140 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: the Central Valley, she discovered what is a Chinese biological 141 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: weapons facility and inside federal and state authorities found more 142 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: at least twenty pathogens, probably more, including the one for 143 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: a bola and almost a thousand mice that have been 144 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: genetically engineered to spread disease. I mentioned abola because we 145 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: know that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology are 146 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: now studying a bola, which means they are studying how 147 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: to weaponize it. A bola has a natural fatality rate 148 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: of fifty percent. One thing about a bullet is that 149 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: it's not readily transmissible. But if the Chinese can figure 150 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: out how to make it more transmissible, more contagious, then 151 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: they will have a weapon that will be able to 152 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: kill massive numbers of Americans. 153 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: That is shocking to me. 154 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: It makes me think about the fact that Joe Biden 155 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,359 Speaker 2: spent four years after through the pandemic and after the pandemic, 156 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: not holding China accountable, having no discussions with China on this. 157 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: In fact, almost I would say, defending China in many 158 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: different instances when people were saying, well, wait a minute, 159 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: why aren't we holding them accountable to the pandemic, Why 160 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: aren't we holding them accountable to this trade imbalance. Now 161 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: you have Donald Trump who has implemented the tariffs, and 162 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: I think you've pointed out that he did offer China 163 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: an off ramp to the tariff war, but they decided 164 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: they didn't want that. There's that still a back and 165 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: forth right now with the tariffs on Chinese products. But 166 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: when you talk about out what I mean essentially you're 167 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: talking about terrorist attacks and the bioweapons. Is there going 168 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: to be someone? Will Donald Trump hold China accountable for 169 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: the pandemic? 170 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: Well, I hope so. First of all, in his first term, 171 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: he withdrew from the World Health Organization. The reason why 172 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: that was important was that China used the WHO to 173 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: spread the disease beyond China's borders twice. In January of 174 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, the WHO propagated China's narrative, which senior doctors 175 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: knew was senior doctors at the WHO knew was not true. 176 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: China's narrative was that stars CoV two, the pathogen that 177 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: causes COVID nineteen, was not readily transmissible human to human. 178 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: So there is a January ninth statement and a January 179 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: fourteenth tweet from the WHO which said, don't worry about this. 180 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: That was at a critical time, and that lulled health 181 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: officials around the world, including those in America, not to 182 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: take precautions that they otherwise would have, which means that 183 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: a disease that should have been confined to the central 184 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: part of China became a global pandemic. That seven million 185 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: people outside of China were killed by a disease. Now 186 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: it's one point two million Americans. The reason why all 187 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: of this is important is that Joe Biden when he 188 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: became president, he put the US back into the who 189 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: the organization that helped spread this disease. And the reason 190 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: why all of this is critical right now is that 191 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: China knows it's killed seven million people, all foreigners who 192 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: now there's no deterrent for spreading the next disease that 193 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: Chinese technicians and scientists are cooking up in labs like 194 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: the Muhan Institute of Virology. 195 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: So do you think that that was a planned test? 196 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: No? I Actually my guess is that the Muhan Institute 197 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: of Virology was a medical was a military facility. That 198 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: disease my guess. I mean a lot of Chinese nationals 199 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,239 Speaker 3: will tell you it was a test, that they deliberately 200 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: spread it into China to kill off old people and 201 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: then the rest of it. I don't think so. I 202 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: think what happened was they were careless at the Muhan 203 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 3: Institute of Virology, and we know that even before the pandemic, 204 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: and what happened is this disease got out into the 205 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 3: Chinese public. Sijianping then made a decision he knew that 206 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: his country was being devastated by COVID, he wanted to 207 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: even the playing field. China has something called comprehensive national power. 208 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: It's a series of metrics that measure the strength of countries. 209 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: And there's two ways to become stronger. One of them 210 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: is you make yourself stronger. The other is you make 211 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: others weaker. And that's what Sigimping did. Si Jimping did 212 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: two things. For at least five weeks in December twenty 213 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: nineteen and January twenty twenty. He told the world that 214 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: this was not a contagious disease when he knew that 215 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: it was highly transmissible human to human. And then while 216 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: he was locking down his own country. Lockdowns are controversial, 217 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: but by locking down his own country, he was telling 218 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: the world he thought that was an effective way of 219 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: stopping disease. So while he was locking down China, he 220 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: was forcing other countries to take passengers from China without restrictions. Tutor, 221 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: you put those two things together, and it shows that 222 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: the spread of COVID nineteen beyond China's borders was deliberate. 223 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: So I believe that Sigmping decided that he was going 224 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: to weaken the rest of the world by spreading this 225 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 3: disease outside of China. 226 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: I've got more coming up with Gordon Chang, but first 227 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: let me tell you about my partners at Ease. 228 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Great news. 229 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: President Trump's executive order slashing the cost of prescription drugs 230 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: is going after the price gouging for drugs like insulin 231 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: with Obamacare. 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Visit easefor Everyone dot com slash 248 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: tutor and join today. That's easefo everyone dot com slash tutor. 249 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: Now stay tuned. We've got more after this. China has 250 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: a weakened economy already. I mean we've heard rumblings that 251 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: they are not economically sound right now. 252 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: Why. 253 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously coming out of the pandemic, that's not good. 254 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: But why not negotiate with Donald Trump if you're already 255 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: in a poor position economically. Isn't a trade war just 256 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: going to hurt them even more? 257 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: Yes, it will hurt them even more. And the Chinese economy, 258 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: i believe now, is contracting and we can see this from, 259 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: for instance, price data from February, March and April, which 260 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: shows that China's in a deflationary spiral. Deflation is an 261 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: economy killer and is inconsistent with China's reports of robust 262 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: economic growth. To answer your question, I think that Cejimping 263 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: has put himself into a position where he has to 264 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: he has to do the worst thing possible, and the 265 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: reason is for half a decade at least, he's been 266 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: telling the Chinese people and other senior Chinese leaders that 267 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: due to his policies, that China has surpassed the United States. 268 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: Now he can't be seen in negotiating with the United 269 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: States in good faith because he's told everybody he doesn't 270 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: have to. So I think that he has configured the 271 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: Chinese political system so that only the most hostile answers 272 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: are considered to be acceptable, and he cannot deal in 273 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: good faith with us, and by the way, he isn't. 274 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: On March. On May twelfth, China the United States jointly 275 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: negotiated and announced an agreement, and China has already violated 276 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: that agreement. So really what we're talking about is a 277 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: Sijenping who can't deal cooperatively with the United States or 278 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: with the rest of the world. 279 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: Well, who are his allies right now? 280 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: Because there's rumblings that he's working with Putin, there's rumblings 281 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: that he's working with North Korea. There's also rumbling cities 282 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: working with Iran. That these are all this is like 283 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: the axis of evil. So who are the allies of 284 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: the Chinese. 285 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: Well, China has technically has only one military ally, and 286 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: that's North Korea. But clearly China Si Jimping is on 287 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: the same wavelength as Vladimir Putin. One can even argue, 288 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: as I do, that the Ukraine War is actually a 289 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: proxy contest where China is trying to destabilize Europe. Through Putin. 290 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: We see the same thing. China has fully supported Iran 291 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: in its assault on Israel, so that's October seventh. China 292 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: have been supporting Pakistan in the Four Day Conflict with India, 293 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: and China has been fielding insurgencies in North Africa that 294 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: look like wars. So Si Jimping has been trying to 295 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: destabilize the world, and that goes back to sort of 296 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: the MAOIs playbook. So those are his friends, those are 297 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: the instruments that he uses, and his goals are malign. 298 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: I think when you're in the United States sometimes you 299 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 2: can see just the dynamics of how China and the 300 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 2: US interact. You just kind of look at how the 301 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: US is interacting with all of these other foreign leaders 302 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: in foreign countries. But bringing up the fact that China 303 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: would want to destabilize Europe and to use Russia as 304 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: kind of their useful idiot to go into Ukraine and 305 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: stabilize Europe and Eastern Europe and then obviously Western Europe 306 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, really, you're getting everybody involved, because 307 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: now the entire world is focused in on what is 308 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: Putin going to do? And they were very effective in 309 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: manipulating the United States because look at it impacted our 310 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: entire political system for years, having people. 311 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: Go back and forth on it. Are you with Ukraine? 312 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Are you not with Ukraine? 313 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: Now we have this similar situation with Israel and power Stein. 314 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 2: In the last few days, we've seen this horrific murder 315 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. Of these two people who were 316 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: at the museum, the Israeli Museum. They were a young 317 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 2: couple just about to get engaged American and I believe 318 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: the man was from Israel. 319 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 320 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: I think so when you see that happening on US soil, 321 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: and this is something that we haven't really discussed on 322 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 2: the podcast, but it shook me waking up to that news. 323 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: I think we are so desensitized to seeing a murder 324 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 2: on the streets of New York or a murder on 325 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: the streets of DC, that it's easy to overlook the 326 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: fact that this is a terror attack. This is a mindset. 327 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: This is someone who was radicalized on US soil. And 328 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: when you start to hear really the teachings that come 329 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: from the socialist group that is on college campuses, and 330 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: they have infiltrated these college campuses and they are using 331 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: they really the reality is they don't actually care about 332 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: the Palestine Israel war. They are using that as a 333 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: way to radicalize these kids and force the nation, destabilize 334 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: the United States, and force the nation into a socialist economy. 335 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: I don't know why this is not getting more attention 336 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: that this is not just a random act. This is 337 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: someone who was radicalized by a group that is on 338 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: our college campuses. And when we talk about Harvard and 339 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: when we talk about the University of Michigan where we 340 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: just had this happen and the Attorney General arrested these 341 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: people and then let them go, we have a real problem. 342 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: It's not free speech. It's a real problem on our 343 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: college campuses where someone got to the point where they 344 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: decided to go murder a young couple in cold blood 345 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: on the streets of the United States. 346 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: Yes, the US capital is not safe. And to your 347 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 3: broader point, foreign agents are working in field emboldened Just 348 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: to give you an example, twenty twenty three, President Biden's 349 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: nine to eleven deal with Iran. As a part of that, 350 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: Biden gave clemency to five Iranian operatives and he allowed 351 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: three of them to stay on US soil at a 352 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: time when other Iranian operatives were trying to kill the 353 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other senior State 354 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: Department officials, and as we subsequently learned, Iranian officials were 355 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 3: trying to murder Donald Trump. So really, this is to 356 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: me indescribable. Why he you know, why Biden would allow 357 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: these dangerous elements to stay in our country. And you know, 358 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: we know that China has been behind a lot of 359 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: this Islamic radicalism fueling it. So, for instance, on Chinese 360 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 3: own TikTok, of the videos on Hamas, ninety six point 361 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: five percent of them support the terrorist group. That's because 362 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: China's been manipulating the curation algorithm of TikTok to support 363 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: the Palestinian quote unquote clause. So this is being directed 364 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: from Beijing. There are so many examples of this infiltration 365 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: of our society and it's going to be very difficult, 366 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: but we have to remove these elements of the Chinese 367 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Communist Party. We have to remove the Iranians, we have 368 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: to remove the Russians, because they are here to take 369 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: down our country, not just to destabilize us, but to 370 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: actually take down the United States of America. 371 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: Well, and I think that people are realizing that we're 372 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: close to that. If they get a few more people 373 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: on that team, they are closer than I think the 374 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: average person thinks to wrecking our way of life and 375 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: getting in there and destroying that. You know, I come 376 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: from Michigan, so I we have a big Arab American 377 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: population here. And the thing that breaks my heart over 378 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: this situation is that when I talk to my friends there, 379 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: they're like, look, we want peace. And Donald Trump has 380 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: my friends who are supportive of Donald Trump. Donald Trump 381 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: has said that he wants peace too. We want peace. 382 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: This movement is not some Most of these people are 383 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: people who have no connection to that region whatsoever, and 384 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: they have been radicalized by an idea, but it's something 385 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: they don't fully understand. And instead of wanting peace, like 386 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: these guys do, they want to ratchet things up. 387 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: They want to there. 388 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: Look, I mean you don't you're not looking for peace 389 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: if you're murdering someone in cold blood on the sidewalk 390 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 2: after an event. 391 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 3: That's right. And we have a foreign elements feeling this, 392 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's difficult for our society to deal with 393 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: it because every time we try to someone screams racism. 394 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: But we've got to remember that we've got dangerous elements 395 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: in our country and we have to either imprison or 396 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: expel them because this is we're getting to the point 397 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 3: where they can create the worst outcomes for us. So 398 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: this is absolutely essential. And a lot of people don't 399 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: like this. You know, they're targeting a group. But unfortunately, 400 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: for instance, China has weaponized Chinese nationals on our soil 401 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: against us, and we have to understand that this is 402 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: something that we have to look at with a China focus. 403 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: It's not we're racist, it's Chinese regime has taken these 404 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: nationals and turned them against us and has compelled them 405 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: to commit crimes against the United States. This is difficult 406 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: for us to deal with, but we're going to have 407 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 3: to do it if we want to save country. 408 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: What is the average life like in China? 409 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: And I ask this because every private high school I 410 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: know in the United States has Chinese exchange students, and 411 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: that seems to be the number one group from other countries. 412 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: The number one group of international students comes from China, 413 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: and I think, what kind of a lifestyle do you 414 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: have there if you get to send your child to 415 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: America to study for high school because I would imagine 416 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: you have to be somewhat affluent to do that, and 417 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: in that case, then you probably have a connection to 418 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: the Chinese government. Because my impression, and correct me if 419 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, my impression is that if you are in 420 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: a position where you are allowed to send your child 421 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: out of the country to America to study, you must 422 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: be given that permission by the Chinese government, and you 423 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: must have a certain amount of money from your experience 424 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: with the Chinese government. And if that is the case, 425 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: are we just being naive taking all of these internets 426 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 2: students from China. 427 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, those are great points, because you're right. I mean, 428 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: for Chinese national to come to the United States, they 429 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: need a passport which is issued by the Chinese central government. 430 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 3: And as you point out, the students who are coming 431 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: and studying in our high schools and our colleges and universities, 432 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: they're affluent because by and large they are paying the 433 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 3: entire tuition and cost of their education. The way to 434 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 3: get rich in China is to manipulate relationships with the 435 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 3: regime or actually be a member of the Communist party. 436 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of that, you know, we have seen, 437 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of different explanations for the Chinese 438 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: nationals who are in our country. I mean, some of 439 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: them who've come across the borders, both northern and southern ones. 440 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: Some of them are just desperate Chinese who manage to 441 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: make their way out and want to live in a 442 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: free society. Others it's apparent that they are People's Liberation Army, 443 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 3: Ministry of State security and are coming here to take 444 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: us down. And then you have your two hundred and 445 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: seventy seven thousand Chinese students on our campuses. About thirteen 446 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: percent or so of them commit espionage, and they are compelled. 447 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: Do you know that Just studies have been done on this, 448 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: and this has been studied, and obviously you can't get 449 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: a precise number, but that is an estimate. We've got 450 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: to remember that the Chinese regime compels Chinese students to 451 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: commit espionage. And there are two things. First of all, 452 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 3: there's the twenty seventeen National Intelligence Law of China, which 453 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: requires every Chinese national to spy if given a demand 454 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 3: to do so. But more important, there's the Communist Party's 455 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: top down system, whereby every Chinese citizen has got to 456 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: obey commands of the Communist Party. So this is this 457 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: is bad. But we've got to remember, though, that this 458 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 3: is also a US issue. And the reason is we've 459 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: known that the Chinese consular officials and Ministry of State 460 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: Security agents surveil Chinese students, and we've allowed that to occur. 461 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: And we know what the Chinese regime is doing in 462 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: terms of not only monitoring, but coercing Chinese students into 463 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: committing crimes against the United States. So this is really 464 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 3: on us as well, and we have got to dismantle 465 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 3: those Chinese networks that surveil and monitor and coerce Chinese students. 466 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 467 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, I'm not giving us a 468 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: pass on this by any means, but don't you think 469 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: that the culture that Americans grow up in is so 470 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: counterable to that that we can't even imagine our government 471 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: asking us to spy. It's something that I think is 472 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: so countercultural that we reject the notion because we think 473 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: it's impossible. 474 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, And you made a really critical point. We 475 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: do not understand the Chinese regime, and because we don't 476 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: understand it, we've allowed it to infiltrate our society and 477 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: our general norms of what we believe prevent us from 478 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: acting effectively against the regime that is here to destroy us. 479 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: So we are going to take measures which you know, 480 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: most Americans would consider to be extraordinary, but which I 481 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: believe are absolutely necessary to protect us. And because we 482 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: are not taking those measures, I fear for the future. 483 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. 484 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: I mean, is this something that on the outside looking in, 485 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: we're all going, gosh, this is terribly scary. And you 486 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: talk about the lab that was found in the United States, 487 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: and this all seems I mean, when you start talking 488 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 2: about bioweapons, it feels like that hits so quick and 489 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: it spread so fast that once it's here, there's really 490 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: no way to combat it. So in my mind, I'm like, well, 491 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: there must be an entire government agency dedicated to keeping 492 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: us safe. 493 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: What is there? 494 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: Unfortunately no, Well, there are government agencies that have that 495 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 3: as their mission statement. But unfortunately, we are not prepared 496 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: to do that right now, and so you know, we 497 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: have just give you an example. You know, President Trump 498 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: was very good in his second term. He got us 499 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: out of the World Health Organization again, but we have 500 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: yet to impose costs on China for spreading COVID. And 501 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: as I mentioned before, Cajan Ping now knows that he 502 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: killed one point two million Americans with COVID and there 503 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: was no cost imposed on China. So we've got to 504 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: go beyond that now. President Trump, while he was out 505 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: of office between his two terms, actually talked about reparations, 506 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: and for most Americans that would be going far, much 507 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: too far. But the point is we need to create 508 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: in some way tutor, whether it's reparations or something else. 509 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: We need to create that deterrent because we know that 510 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: Chinese are working on diseases. They're going to weaponize a 511 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: bola or something else, and we could very well be 512 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: hit with another epidemic, and that epidemic is going to 513 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: be more deadly than COVID. So it's us, it's on us. 514 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: You make such a good point, because I asked you earlier, well, 515 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: was that just a test and even you said likely not. 516 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: But even if it's not, it ultimately was because they 517 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: learned from it. So now they've learned that we're not 518 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: going to come back. There was no punishment, and you know, 519 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: there was no punishment worldwide. There was no global response 520 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: to China saying what are. 521 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: You going to do? 522 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: I haven't even I don't even feel like I have 523 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: that assurance that they were, like, you know, but huge mistake. 524 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: We totally screwed this one up. 525 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: This is what we're going to do to ensure that 526 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: can never happen again. 527 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: Has that happened? 528 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: No, of course not. And you know, the one global 529 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: institution that is meant to where health is its mission, 530 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: which is the World Health Organization, was complicit in this 531 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: spread because who doctor is knew from the get go 532 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: in January twenty twenty that COVID nineteen was highly transmissible, 533 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: and yet that institution was spreading China's narrative when it 534 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: knew it was wrong. So we really have this global 535 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 3: health institution which is responsible in part for the pandemic. 536 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: And I just don't understand you can be tried for 537 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: war crimes. 538 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: I mean, the entire globe can come after you if 539 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: you commit war crimes. How can it be that if 540 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: you are so careless with research that you can kill 541 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: off millions of people, that there are no repercussions, that 542 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: there's no global this is hey, hey, wait a minute, 543 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: you can't do this. 544 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: Seven million people outside of China died from COVID. We 545 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: can argue about the number, you know, and people say, well, 546 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: it's controversial about how many people actually died from COVID, 547 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 3: but any number above zero is unacceptable. So we are 548 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: talking in the millions. And yeah, this is if you 549 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 3: want to put another point on it. Because Sijenping was 550 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: targeting a specific group which was non Chinese, this technically 551 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: qualifies as a genocide. Is this is more than the 552 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: third Reichs genocidal total. 553 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: But I mean, you've got the weaker genocide. You've got 554 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: quite a bit. There's so many human rights offenses there. 555 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: And I know I've kept you a little long. I 556 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: just want to say I think that there is a 557 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: problem with us here in the United States especially. I 558 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: would say my generation lived through nine to eleven, so 559 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: aw the impact of the racial conflict that happened because 560 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 2: of that, and the prejudice that occurred out of nine 561 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: to eleven, because I do think that a lot of 562 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: people went, oh my gosh, if that person did it, 563 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: then people. 564 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: That look like that might also do it. 565 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: And I and my generation, I think is so conscious 566 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: of that now that we don't want to We don't ever. 567 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Want that to happen. 568 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: We don't want a group to be discriminated against in 569 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: the United States. And I think that's what you're saying 570 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: is when we hear Donald Trump say We're going to 571 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 2: go after these people and make sure the bad guys 572 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: are out of the country. There are so many Americans who, 573 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: because our culture is to say we want to be inclusive, 574 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: we want to be loving, we want to allow everybody 575 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: their freedoms, we're naive to the dangers. But there's this 576 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: there's this innate feeling of like we don't want this 577 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: prejudice to come back. 578 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 3: Yes, then that is what's something, that's what our enemies exploit. 579 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 3: A lot of these charges of quote unquote racism are 580 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 3: basically Beijing's propaganda points, and so we have to understand 581 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 3: that they are manipulating us in that way, and we're 582 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: going to have to get over a lot of those 583 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 3: views because if we don't we're going to lose our country. 584 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 2: Strong words. That's it's going to be a hard cultural 585 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: change for us. But I do think that Donald Trump 586 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: is bringing hard truths out every single day, and obviously 587 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: we're seeing this when we see the leftist media go crazy. 588 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 2: But I think that those are hard truths that we 589 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: need to learn because we are a free nation and 590 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: we are very naive to how other regimes work. 591 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: I couldn't say it better. So thank you. 592 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Gordon Chain, thank you, and I 593 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: want you to tell us your book and give us 594 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 2: your Twitter handle because I want people to be out 595 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: there following your ex handle whatever we're calling it now. 596 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: I want people to make sure that they can follow 597 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: you because this is such important stuff. They need to 598 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: know where it's coming from and how to continue to 599 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: follow what you're saying. 600 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, my ex sandal is at Gordon G. 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