1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: Mattie Soto just thirteen years old, cod cause of death strangulation, 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: and now in a disgusting reveal, her mother. Mattie Soto's 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: mother is insisting her boyfriend, mommy's live in, who was 5 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: raping Mattie sex abusing her since she was eleven. 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: That the sex abuse is not evil. 7 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: Repeat Mattie Soto's mother and I found this in a 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: supplemental police report states that her live in mommy's living 9 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: Stephen Stearn's sex abusing Mattie since age eleven. It's not evil, 10 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 11 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: being with us. 12 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Then big good school. I went to pick her up 13 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: in the school say. 14 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: And she never came out. 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I can't find her. 16 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: She didn't walk to the office, and she wasn't at 17 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 4: school when I went to get grow up, she said, 18 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: she never mad it. What do you mean I dropped 19 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 4: her off or we dropped her off most of school 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 4: and she said she didn't make it for the second period. 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: I said, please check with the rest of your friends. 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: That's why I knew something was wrong, and I freaked out. 23 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 4: We were all going to sleep together in the same bed. 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: But I needed some good sleep, and I got a 25 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 4: new job recently, I haven't been more arrested. I needed 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you guys go 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was going 28 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 4: to get her ready and. 29 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 5: Sorry, okay, so you needed some good seven. 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: O'clock, yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed. 31 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 6: Stephen Stern slept with Madeline Soto and her mother on 32 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 6: a regular basis without her mother present, including the night 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 6: before she was murdered. 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: Jennifer Soto tells. 35 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 6: Mattie she has a really bad headache and tells Maddie 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 6: to take Stephen Stern's and go sleep in an upstairs bedroom. 37 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: Is anybody else's head exploding? I mean hers has definitely 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: exploded already. Jackie's gone. She sends her daughter to go 39 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: sleep with her lover the night before she's dead. 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: I want to look at the timeline here. 41 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: Shannon Butler a joining me again, renowned investigative reporter on 42 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: WFTV nine. Shannon, if you look at the timeline, can 43 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: we just talk about that one moment? Because I have 44 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: a theory that Mattie was murdered by Stefan Stern the 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: night before, because we've got him the next morning seven 46 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: seven thirty am, he's already throwing out Maddie's backpack and 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: her school laptop. 48 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: That's early in the morning. Why would he do that. 49 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: It's just like Scott Peterson trying to sell Lacy's car 50 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: and getting the porn channel. 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: He knew she wasn't coming back. 52 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: Right, So why is he getting rid of her possessions 53 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: at seven thirty am? That means she's already dead at 54 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: seven point thirty a M. 55 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't stand to look at this guy's face. 56 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: And again he's presumed innocent until proven guilty. So can 57 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: we just talk about the timeline one moment? So well, 58 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: mommy trundles her little girl, now thirteen, off to bed 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: with her living who tells people he gets erections in 60 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: bed with Maddie. She's killed in the night, and Mommy, 61 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: what just slept all the way through it? I mean, 62 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: analyzes the timeline for me, Shannon Butler, I think that's 63 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: the working theory, even for law enforcement. 64 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 7: We know for a fact at seven point thirty that 65 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 7: she was in fact at that is what the Orange 66 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 7: County Sheriff's Office believed the original investigators on this case. 67 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 7: But those hours in the night, that's where all the 68 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 7: question is. They believe she was killed, but they don't 69 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 7: know exactly what time, and it seems the medical examiner 70 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 7: can't figure that out either. But they do know that 71 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 7: in those hours before seven thirty and after they went 72 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 7: to bed, something happened there. 73 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: The question is how did nobody in that house? 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 7: If you if you read the document, you could tell 75 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 7: there were several people inside that home, very few heard 76 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 7: anything or saw anything. The mother never woke up, She 77 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 7: didn't see her daughter before she went to school. And 78 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 7: because of that, that is why it's so hard to 79 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 7: pinpoint exact working theater up. 80 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: I think you just stated she didn't see her daughter 81 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: before she went to school. What she told to nine 82 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: one one, She told nine one one she saw her 83 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: that morning, Yes. 84 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 7: And she told the original responding deputy that she did 85 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 7: see her in the morning get ready for school. 86 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: But what she told us was that. 87 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 7: She didn't see her that morning. She saw the night before. 88 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 7: There are statements all along here that are inconsistent. And 89 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 7: I know what you think, and I know what other 90 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 7: people think. How do you not know? I too know 91 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 7: what my daughter wore to school this morning. There are 92 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 7: a lot of questions about how she didn't know. Investigators 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 7: have told me that she does take a lot of medication, 94 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 7: and there are things that sometimes even she admits she's spacey, 95 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 7: and I think that's now why they come. 96 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: She says, she takes a lot of medication. You think 97 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: I care. Maddie is dead. 98 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: She's been raped since at least she was eleven at 99 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: the least, and the live in videoed it down the 100 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: hall from mommy. Now he killed her down the hall 101 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: from mommy. I don't care what medication mommy is taking. 102 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: Don't care, And at some point the inconsistencies coming out 103 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: of Mommy's mouth are overwhelming. 104 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: Listen. 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 8: Jennifer Soto is confronted with inconsistencies and the version of 106 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 8: events she is giving versus what her boyfriend, Stephan Stearns 107 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 8: is saying. Telling police, she is giving Sterns the benefit 108 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 8: of the doubt that he dropped Maddie off at school 109 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 8: like he says, but qualifies the statement by adding Stephan 110 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 8: is a master liar and a master manipulator. 111 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 9: Soto says she realizes he's guilty. The detective asks what 112 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 9: she thinks he's guilty of Jennifer Soto says he's been 113 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 9: grooming and abusing my child. 114 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: We were all going to sleep together in the same bed, 115 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: but I needed some. 116 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: Good sleep, and I got a new job recently, I 117 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: haven't been more arrested. I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey, 118 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. 119 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: I knew he was going to get her ready. 120 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 5: Inked, sorry, okay, so you needed some good seven o'clock. 121 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed. 122 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 10: Thirteen year old Madeline Soto fails to show up at school, 123 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 10: but mom's boyfriend swears he dropped her off in Florida. 124 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 10: A desperate search ensues to find the missing team. 125 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 11: All right, and another thing, I just wanted to confirm, 126 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 11: because I know the last night was a long night. 127 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 11: But he said you You said. 128 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 5: When you woke up around nine. 129 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 11: You left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment, 130 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 11: and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he. 131 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 5: Called you at ten. 132 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: You were a return tenor ten? 133 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 11: FI feenish to say to have the conversation. Mcdonaldson. 134 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 12: Yeah, she and let McDonald so he came home. I 135 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 12: think he had accidentally left his FORRN at home. 136 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, so he was just letting me know because I 137 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 6: had then I had called it a multiple fimes for 138 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 6: he was just for turning my pubbling. 139 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I left the horn at home. 140 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 13: I went to the beep store. I waited there for 141 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 13: a little bit and nothing. Nobody was there. 142 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: Did you hear what the mom just said? And yes, 143 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 2: I know Stephan Stern is the one charge with murder, 144 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: but in the last hours, mommy, Jennifer Soto actually says, 145 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm eating a dirt sandwich right now. 146 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: The mother Jen Soto actually says him Stern's abusing, sex abusing, 147 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: raping her daughter was not evil, that the murder was evil, 148 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: but sex abusing her daughter was not evil. Now, that's 149 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: as I and People Magazine understand the supplemental report. 150 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Not evil. 151 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: When did that hit her that he was sex abusing 152 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: her daughter. That's a nice way. That's candy coating for 153 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: raping her. Shannon Butler with me, and I'm going to 154 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: go to Karen Stark, Ali Neil and doctor Pria Banerjee 155 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: along with Bernarda the Alona. But Shannon Butler, when was 156 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: it that Jen Soto stated, it wasn't evil that her 157 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: living Stefan Stearn was sex abusing her daughter. 158 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: When did that come out of her mouth? 159 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 7: Well, during the interviews with the investigators, she appeared to 160 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 7: not know that this was going on in side of 161 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 7: her home. It wasn't really until investigator showed her that 162 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 7: phone that she said, oh, so there was something happening here, 163 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden she believed that there 164 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 7: were things that were happening with Stephen Stern, Stephan Stearn's 165 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 7: and it wasn't everything she thought it was, but it 166 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 7: was very very strange. Her behavior and the way she 167 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 7: believed Madeline was treated was maybe just kind of the 168 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 7: way it was that it was the fact that he 169 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 7: killed her that was so disturbing to her. I think 170 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 7: there was a lot of things here, even for us 171 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 7: and for investigators, that you just cannot figure out. 172 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: You cannot figure out this mother very well. 173 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: And I don't Shannon Baller, I really like you. 174 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: I remember sitting right beside you, back on top of 175 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: you during the Top Mom trial. Yeah, good times. But 176 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: let's just analyze what you just said. Okay, she knew 177 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: quite something was happening hapening You know, you're an incredible 178 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: investigative reporter, but it's very difficult for people to actually 179 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: say the words that this grown man, Stefan Sterns, age 180 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: thirty seven, was raping him right there him was raping 181 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: an eleven year old baby girl down the hall from 182 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: her own mother, and mommy would send her off to 183 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: bed to sleep alone with Stefan Sterns. And you said 184 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: something was happening. What that's something is Shannon, well child ray, 185 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: that's the something that was happening, and now the girl 186 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: is dead. 187 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: Yes. 188 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 7: What she said was that she was uncomfortable with the 189 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 7: situation with her Stephen Stearns sleeping with her daughter. 190 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: She said she was. 191 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 7: Uncomfortable, but did it anyway. Even said at one point 192 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 7: that she was selfish about it because she wanted a 193 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 7: good night's sleep and that's why she sent her up 194 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 7: there the night before or the night when she died, 195 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 7: but that this was uncomfortable for her, but she did 196 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 7: it anyway. These are the things that I think that 197 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 7: you and the public really have a hard time wrapping 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 7: your head around. 199 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: As you should. 200 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: You know what, Shannon, It took me, believe it or not, 201 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: about seven years into my ten year stint prosecuting violent crimes. 202 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: And this was after three years as a FED. 203 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: I was looking over a defendant chargement murder in court. 204 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: The victim's family was behind me crying, and I looked 205 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: a him. 206 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: And I thought why, And then it hit me after 207 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: seven years, like a cement block. 208 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: Why ask why? I don't have to know why. I 209 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: have to know the truth. I'm only why up to 210 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: a TV radio trauma expert psychologist Karen Stark. If you're 211 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: looking for her online, it's Karenstark dot com, Karen with 212 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: a C. Karen Temple throbbing. Now do you remember sitting 213 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: with me on the set at Court TV? And I 214 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: can actually see my heart in my eyeball. That's happening 215 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 2: right now? Can you be in that much denial? And honestly, 216 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: I don't care if she was in denial or not. 217 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: I'm just looking at it from a probit of point 218 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: of view. If she was in that much denial, that's 219 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: one thing. But how could you be so deep in 220 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: denial you don't know what's going on in the bedroom 221 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: next to you. 222 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 14: That's what denial is. It means that she's not letting 223 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 14: herself know. Maybe on some levels she knows, but on 224 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 14: another level she doesn't. But let's look at this because 225 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 14: we have been up against this before. She's kind of 226 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 14: selling her daughter to this man so that she could 227 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 14: keep this man around. And that's somebody who's completely dependent. 228 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 14: Maybe she had her own sexual abuse. 229 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: In the past. 230 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 14: We don't know what the story used in heaven. 231 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: Do you have a shred a particle of sentila, a 232 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: microscopic bit of evidence to suggest Jen Soto had any 233 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: sexual trauma in her history or any trauma period in 234 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: her history. He just said maybe she was abused as 235 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: a child. Where'd you get that from a fairy tale? 236 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 14: It's trying to understand, like we said, like what is 237 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 14: the Why. 238 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Would have just wrap the facts? Ma'am stick with the 239 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: facts that we know. 240 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: I know you're looking for explanations, which is what you're 241 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: supposed to do. And I need to hear that, and 242 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: I need to hear her defense. Banara Bernara Violona is 243 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: with us former prosecutor now were now defense attorney. Okay, 244 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: I want to hear the defense. She's not charged, she's 245 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: not a suspect, she's not a ply person of interest. 246 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: I'm just looking at all the known inconsistencies in her statement. 247 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: With the knowledge of the timeline that Shannon Butler and 248 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: I have worked out along with LA law enforcement, this 249 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: little girl was likely raped and murdered the night before 250 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: the defendant props up her dead body and buckles it 251 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: in and drives around with her in the car. Yeah, 252 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: that happened. So give me the defense, BERNARDA, as only 253 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: you can do. 254 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: I want to hear jen so Too's side. 255 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 15: So if I were Jennifer Sodle's defense attorney, one thing 256 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 15: I would do is stop her from talking. 257 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: Remember, she is now required to give a statement. 258 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 15: Yes, it looks bad because she's the mother, and she 259 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 15: should be opened with law enforcement because her daughter was killed, 260 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 15: and she should want to find answers, especially a think 261 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 15: I haven't seen those photographic images of her husband, the 262 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 15: person that she loved, was taking advantage of a thirteen 263 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 15: year old daughter. But the best defense at this point 264 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 15: is for Jennifer Sodle to stop talking. 265 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Now, if there. 266 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 15: Are charges, the question would be what exact evidence do 267 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 15: they have because here, in a case like this, you 268 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 15: will want a witness to come and speak and say, look, 269 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 15: I saw Jennifer Soda and she was well aware of 270 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 15: actually what transpired that night before or that morning. 271 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: And when she lied and she said that. 272 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 15: She saw her daughter getting dressed for school, she said 273 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 15: that because she was a part of the crime. Again, 274 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 15: we're assuming because no allegations of such had been made, 275 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 15: but we have to be on the offense. When you're 276 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 15: talking about defending a woman such as Jennifer Sodo and 277 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 15: looks that. 278 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: It's horrible. 279 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 15: I'm disgusted so many ways. It's heartbreaking because no one 280 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 15: for Madeleine Soto. 281 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 10: Crime stories. 282 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we. 283 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: Were all going to sleep together in the same bed. 284 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: But I needed some good sleep. I'm not I got 285 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: a new job recently, I haven't been well arrested. I 286 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 4: needed some sleep. So I asked, Hey, can you guys 287 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 4: go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was 288 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 4: gonna get her ready, Inkedy. 289 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 5: Sorry, Okay, so you needed some good seven o'clock. 290 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went. 291 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: To bed, all right. 292 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 11: And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I 293 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 11: know the last night was a long night. But you 294 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 11: said you you said when you woke up around nine, 295 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 11: you left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's 296 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 11: appointment and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he 297 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 11: called you at ten. You were returned year ten fifteenish 298 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 11: to say to have the conversation McDonald's. 299 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 13: And yeah, she didn't want McDonald's. 300 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 12: And he came home. 301 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 13: I think he had accidentally left his horn at home. 302 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he was. 303 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 13: Just letting me know because I had to learn I 304 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 13: had called it a multiple five. He was just returning 305 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 13: my publn. 306 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I left the corner at home. 307 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 13: I went to the beef store and weave there for 308 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 13: a little bit. 309 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: And nothing sood he was there, I mean left the 310 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: phone at home by accident. When he's disposing of the body, 311 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: I think Brian Coburger that night, of all nights, while 312 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: he's how stargazing, he leaves his phone at home coinstantly, 313 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: the same time that four University Idaho students are murdered 314 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: in their own beds. We're seeing that over and over 315 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: and over where criminals have the savvy to turn off 316 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: their phone. 317 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: Or leave it at home. But can we just talk 318 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: one moment about how how. 319 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: Maddie's body is found And I want to circle back 320 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: to the fact that even though her body's found out 321 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: in the woods. 322 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: Apparently her body. 323 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: Had to be thrown over a chainling and Barbara fence, 324 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: just thrown over. She was wearing socks, remember, out in 325 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: the woods, totally pristine. You know that from one piece 326 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: of evidence. You can just learn so much if you 327 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: just sit down and think, what are those socks? Tell me? 328 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: Those socks tell me that Maddie never left the house, 329 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: that she was wearing those socks in the house when 330 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: she was killed, or they would have been dirty because 331 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: she didn't have any shoes on. Right, which lets me 332 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: know where I need to look for the primary crime scene. 333 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: It's not in a car. It's not in that field 334 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: behind a Barbara fl answer. Her body was found. 335 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: In the home. Now that I know that, by power 336 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: of deduction, what does that tell me? 337 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: It tells me that Mommy was in the home when 338 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: Maddie was murdered. 339 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this. 340 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 8: When Madeleine's body was removed from underneath the dry grass 341 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 8: and hay, detectives were able to immediately identify her by 342 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 8: a mole she has on her cheek. Her body shows 343 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 8: signs of decomposition to one side of her face. In 344 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 8: her hands, Madeleine is wearing a green hoodie with the 345 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 8: hoodie covering the top of her head, blue jeans, and 346 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 8: white socks. The police report notes that Madeleine's socks were clean, 347 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 8: indicating she did not walk anywhere or the socks would 348 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 8: have dirt on the bottom. Someone carried Madeline to the 349 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 8: place she was found. 350 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: Joining me is Allie Neil, the co founder and executive 351 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: director of Revved Up Kids. We have been colleagues for 352 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: a really long time. You can find her revd Upkids 353 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: dot org. Alie Neil. 354 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: I know you've been chomping at the bit. 355 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: We earlier heard somebody say that this was Jennifer Soto's husband. 356 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: It's not Jennifer Soto's husband. He's a live in Okay. 357 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: They've broken up, gotten back together. He lives in his 358 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: mom's basement. I don't know that he has a job, 359 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 2: not judging. But you know, ladies, if you're going to 360 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: take a guy in number one, make sure he won't 361 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: harm your children or be a bad influence on them. 362 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: And number two, try to find somebody with a job. 363 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: They don't have to help you, because ladies, you're doing 364 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: that all on your own. But don't let them hurt you. 365 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: Sleeping in your bed, eating your food, you're washing his clothes. Seriously, 366 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: that's hurting you. This guy is an her husband, Elli Neil, 367 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: help me out. How many flashing red bills of alarm are. 368 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: There in this day? 369 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 16: Oh, at least thirty five thousand. That would be the 370 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 16: pornographic images they found on his phone. Right, So we've 371 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 16: got just red flag after red flag after red flag. 372 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 16: Probably from the beginning of the relationship, so Mattie was 373 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 16: six or seven, they were dating for seven years. He 374 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 16: was probably grooming her from the beginning, and who knows 375 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 16: if it'll come out that he was actually sexually abusing 376 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 16: her sooner than age eleven. But regardless, it's hard for me. 377 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 17: To believe that Jen didn't know what was going on. 378 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 17: Certainly she knew there's not a normal man in the 379 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 17: world that sleeps in a bed with a thirteen year 380 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 17: old child, So it's. 381 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 16: Obvious that he was sexually abusing her. 382 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: But I believe too, And. 383 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 16: She's studied then said he was a master manipulator, kind 384 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 16: a master liar, and I believe probably a narcissist who 385 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 16: for their entire relationship was just making Jen think that 386 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 16: she was reading into situations that you know, just kind 387 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 16: of gaslighting her about his relationship with Maddie. And that's 388 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 16: what sexual predators do. They are able to manipulate everybody 389 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 16: around them into believing that they're amazing and wonderful. And 390 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 16: you see it over and over and over again with all. 391 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: Of these stories. 392 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 16: So it's just it's heartbreaking that this was allowed to 393 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 16: go on. 394 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking the way that it ended. 395 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 16: And I think there's a lot more to the story 396 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 16: that's going to be coming out, especially as the trial 397 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 16: begins in October. 398 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: Allie Neil, co founder executive director Revved Up Kids. It's 399 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: all about protecting children. And in your experience, I have 400 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: have you seen a pattern? 401 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: And I don't have a statistic. 402 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: This is all anecdotal as men that seek out single 403 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: moms in order to get to their children. 404 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 16: Absolutely, and we actually train moms and we specifically tell 405 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 16: the single moms that we say, you are an especially 406 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 16: high target for a sexual predator who knows that your 407 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 16: life is busy, who knows that you have a lot 408 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 16: on your plate, who is going to sweep in like 409 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 16: your night in shining armor and help you with the kids. 410 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 16: And one of the things we say for them to 411 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 16: look for is if you go out on a date 412 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 16: with a normal person, they're not going to really be 413 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 16: ready to have a relationship with your kids until they're 414 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 16: feeling really serious about you and maybe ready. 415 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: To put a ring on it. 416 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 16: If you date somebody and within the first couple of dates, 417 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 16: they're eager to know everything about your kids and meet 418 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 16: your kids because they just. 419 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Want to sleep with your kid. 420 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 16: Well, that comes later, but yeah, they will. They will 421 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 16: just you know, Oh, I just love kids. I just 422 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 16: love to be around kids. I would love to meet 423 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 16: your kids. And they'll be enchanting about it, and the 424 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 16: kids will love them at the beginning, and they will 425 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 16: build trust and that's what they do, and then that causes. 426 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: You know, I'm so impressed that you actually teach this 427 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 2: as part of revved up kids to single moms. And 428 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: you just brought up the specter Allie Neil that I've 429 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: got to confront. He started videoing himself raping and sex 430 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 2: abusing Maddie when she's eleven. 431 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: How do I know? 432 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: It didn't start long before that, and then he had 433 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: the idea to. 434 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: Start videoing it. 435 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 9: A supplemental report released by the Kassimi Police Department gives 436 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 9: details about how Madeline ended up in a wooded area 437 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 9: behind a locked fence. The report states, based upon the 438 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 9: clothing description seen on several videos, the body did appear 439 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 9: to be that of Madeline. The lock to the farm 440 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 9: was still locked, and it didn't appear to be tampered with. 441 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 9: Stephen would have had to drop Madeleine's body over the 442 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 9: barbed wire fence or where the gate was, then move 443 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 9: her body to the location where she was found, all right. 444 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 11: And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I 445 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 11: know the last night was a long night. But he 446 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 11: said you You said when you woke up around nine. 447 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 11: You left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment, 448 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 11: and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then. 449 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 5: He called you at ten. 450 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 11: You were ten to fifteen minutes to say, to have 451 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 11: the conversation mcdonaldson. 452 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 12: Yeah, she and WT McDonald so he came home. I 453 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 12: think he had accidentally left his phone at home. 454 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, So he. 455 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: Was just letting me know because I had. 456 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 13: I had called them multiple fives. He was just pretraining 457 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 13: my puzzling. 458 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. 459 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 13: I left the forlorn at home. I went to the 460 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 13: beef store. I waited there for a little bit and nothing. 461 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 13: Nobody was there. 462 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 4: I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you 463 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 4: guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he 464 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 4: was going to get her ready. 465 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 5: Inked sorry, okay, so. 466 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 4: I sent them upstairs and I went to bed. 467 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 9: During autopsy of Madeleine Sooto, medical examiner doctor Stephen Giles 468 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 9: express concern over Madeline's hyoid bone in her neck. Giles 469 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 9: stated the right portion of the bone was not intact, 470 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 9: which could possibly be related to her being strangled. The 471 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 9: autopsy determined that Madelein Soto died by strangulation. Investigators find 472 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 9: shocking searches on the computer used by Stephan Stearns. One 473 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 9: of the Google searches is for CuO of florine, little 474 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 9: anesthetic that provides hypnosis, amnesia, analgesia, echinesia, and autonomic blockade 475 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 9: during surgical and procedural interventions. 476 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm trying to figure out what all that meant. 477 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: But luckily I don't need my medical degree because joining 478 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: me as a renowned expert doctor priat Banergy, Board certified 479 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: forensic pathologist, an atomic pathologist at Anchor Forensic Pathology consulting 480 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: doctor Priya It's wonderful to see you. I wish it 481 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: were under better circumstances. But I need to understand a 482 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: what seven fluorine is, but most importantly the cause of 483 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: death on this little girl, and how does the hyoid 484 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: bone being moved factor into the determination of cause of death? 485 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 18: So seve of florine is an anesthet so how he 486 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 18: even got his hands on it is beyond me. 487 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: That's going to knock her out. 488 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 18: You know, that's not anything anybody. 489 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: Should have, any kids should have in their system. 490 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 18: It's beyond me. 491 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: So that is. 492 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 18: Completely abnormal in the toxicology. But what you're getting at, 493 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,239 Speaker 18: regardless of what's in her system, is that she was 494 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 18: overpowered and strangled. The high eid bone where you pointed 495 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 18: and where I'm pointing, is high up in the neck. 496 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 18: It's a small U shaped floating bone. I often try 497 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 18: to make it analogous to the wishbone in a bird 498 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 18: in a turkey that we've played with. 499 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: It's that delicate. 500 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 18: It should be fine until someone puts their hands or 501 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 18: a ligature something around the neck applying pressure on both sides, 502 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 18: and then it snacks. 503 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: It's a very very fragile bone, very rack I can 504 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: even call it that is it more akin to cartilage 505 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: or more akin to bone. 506 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question. 507 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 18: In younger people like Madeline, it's actually part bone, part cartilage. 508 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 18: It's not even fully come together. But if you can 509 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 18: see a clear break in it, like my colleague has 510 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 18: said that he did, and he certified it a strangulation 511 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 18: because of that, that shows how aggressive and up close 512 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 18: you have to get to hurt her. 513 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: This is not so you know what, doctor Preya, I 514 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: got to nail this down because I need more than 515 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: a displace hyoid, because the defense could easily argue. 516 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: Oh, well that happened the week before when. 517 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: She was doing gymnastics, and blah blah blah, what else 518 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: would you expect? Number one, you're saying, no, that would 519 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: not have happened by accident. But number two, what else 520 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: would you expect to see? What manifestation in her body 521 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: would you expect to see during autopsy that would prove 522 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: to me she died of strangulation. 523 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 18: Coming back just to finish on the highway. It moves, 524 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 18: so you need pressure on both sides to break it. 525 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 18: It doesn't happen in gymnastics, It doesn't happen from a 526 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 18: bike fall. I've seen it in high vol you know, 527 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 18: velocity high speed car crashes. It's violent. But she if 528 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 18: she was alive, you would see bleeding in the muscles, 529 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 18: potential particular hemorrhages, pinpoint hemorrhages, and the eyes, the mouth, 530 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 18: potentially on her fair skin. 531 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: It's not going to be alone. It's not going to 532 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: be the only finding. 533 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 18: It's very telltale doesn't have to always happen to be strangled, 534 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 18: but it's up close personal and. 535 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: Violent crime stories With Nancy Grace, I'm just trying to 536 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: imagine what this child went through and what was happening 537 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: to her when she was trying dead. You know. Shannon 538 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: Butler jumping off with doctor Pria Banerjee just told us 539 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: Shannon Butler joining us. 540 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: From WFTV nine. 541 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: She was found in a wooded area where the property 542 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: owner had to come out and unlocked gates, which tells 543 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: me that their deduction is correct. Police deduction is correct. 544 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: That Matty basically had to be thrown over a chain 545 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: link fence and there's some barbed wire involved. They start 546 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: walking and after a few moments they notice a pair 547 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: of blue jeans and ultimately Mattie's body. 548 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: Where was she found. 549 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 7: So this is a ranch in rural Ostiola County. That 550 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,479 Speaker 7: area of Florida has you know, big cattle ranches, orange groves, 551 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 7: things like that along that side of road. Remember, he 552 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 7: got a flat tire, so he had to pull over 553 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 7: and change that flat tire. Right in that area there 554 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 7: was one of those big ranch but you can't get 555 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 7: on the ranch because there was a big fence around it. 556 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 7: So the only thing he could do, police say, was 557 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 7: to toss her over. And when the detectives got out there, 558 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 7: when they were searching looking in that area, they called 559 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 7: the rancher said, hey, can you let us on the property. 560 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 7: Say's no problem, right down the street, I'll be right there. 561 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 7: And when they came in, she was actually the first 562 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 7: time they looked, they didn't see her because she was 563 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 7: kind of behind like bales of hay, and so they 564 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 7: had to when they got through, they walked around and 565 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 7: they could see that she was laying there in that 566 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 7: wooded area. 567 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: God bless her little soul. Listen to these guys. 568 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 9: Stephen Stearns was arrested while the search for Madaline was 569 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 9: ongoing when Orange County Sheriff's Office found disturbing evidence on 570 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 9: Stern's phone. Stephen Stearns turns his phone over to the 571 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 9: police to aid in the search for Madeline and tells 572 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 9: them he accidentally did a factory reset on his phone 573 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 9: the day Madaline vanished. Investigators recovered several photos and videos 574 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 9: showing Star Turns sexually battering. 575 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: A child idiot he thought he could erase nearly two 576 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: thousand porn images, many many of them we believe to be. 577 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: Maddie. 578 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so he's arrested, but I gotta show you this 579 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 2: video we found of him in the back seat of 580 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: the patrol cruiser where he's whining. 581 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: He's whining. 582 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: Maddie has been raped, strangled, dead, and dumped in a 583 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: rural area. This is after he's been raping her since 584 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: at least age eleven. Thank you very much, Allie Neil 585 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: for making me now consider she was raped before she 586 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: was eleven. 587 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: But listen to this guy wine. He needs a little 588 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: cheese to go with that wine. 589 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: Listens twenty three years through the orders. 590 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 5: Wow. 591 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: The first time was on a concrete sto to the paper. 592 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 16: For Bell. 593 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: Nelson Mills. 594 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 5: Mag It for a blanket, bad to speak for two days. 595 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 2: I love the guy driving the cruiser. 596 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: Did you see him. 597 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: He's going as he listens to accused child rapist killer 598 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: Stephan Stern's wine, it was like a degree or two 599 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 2: lower than it should have been. And the deputy goes, wow, 600 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: I bet he just wants to Stephan sterns And then 601 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: he goes on, you know, a subdom bearymel the first night, 602 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: and I used a roll of toilet paper for a pillow, 603 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: begging for a blanket. I bet Matty Soto which she 604 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2: could have a blanket right now. Look at this guy, 605 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: I mean, bernarda Violina. I know that you're gonna object 606 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: and say this is irrelevant. You can't bring that footage 607 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: in of him whining in the backseat of the cruiser 608 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: has nothing to do. But I guarantee you I will 609 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: find a legal and ethical way to bring it in. 610 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: Such as maybe to show. 611 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 2: His demeanor and his calm at the time that Maddie 612 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: is being autopsied, because most normal people, normal whatever that is, 613 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 2: would be upset and crying and saying. 614 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: You gotta find out who killed Maddie. You got to 615 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: find out who did this to her. 616 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: But he's like, you know, it was like a degree 617 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: lower than it really should have been. In the jail 618 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 2: last night, stop me, Stop me if I can't get that, Yes, Nancy, 619 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: of course, and the information and evidence is going to 620 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: be let him because any statement that the defendant makes 621 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: can be used against him in court. 622 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 3: So the prosecution is going to. 623 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 15: Be able to get that in but of course the 624 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 15: defense is going to object to it and say that 625 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 15: it's too prejudiced, so it has no relevance to the charges. 626 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 15: It doesn't go to prove any of the elements of 627 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 15: the crime. 628 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 19: And of course you have to know that because the 629 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 19: state is pursuing the death penalty, that they are going 630 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 19: to be objecting to every little thing in this case 631 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 19: in order to preserve any appeal that can't take place 632 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 19: if there's a conviction in this case. 633 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 11: All right, And another thing I just wanted to confirm, 634 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 11: because I know the last night was a long night. 635 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 11: But you said you you said when you woke up 636 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 11: around nine, you left your house at nine thirty for 637 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 11: your doctor's appointment, and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and 638 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 11: then he called you at ten you were ten fifteenish 639 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 11: to say, to have the conversation mcdonaldson. 640 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 12: Yeah, she and want McDonald so he came home. I 641 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 12: think he had accidentally left his current at home. 642 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was just like, you know, because I 643 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: had room. 644 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 3: I had called them multiple signs. 645 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 13: He was just returning my puzzling. 646 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I left the front at home. 647 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 13: I went to the beep store. I waited there for 648 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 13: a little bit. 649 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 12: Nothing. 650 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 13: Nobody was there. 651 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 4: We were all going to sleep together in the same bed. 652 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 4: But I needed some good sleep and I had not. 653 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 4: I got a new job recently, I haven't been more arrested. 654 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 4: I needed some sleep. So I asked, Hey, can you 655 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 4: guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he 656 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 4: was going to get her ready inky. 657 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 5: Sorry, Okay, so he needed some good seven o'clock. 658 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed. 659 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor pre Banerjee. I need your expertise again, 660 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 2: doctor Banerjee. They did not teach me this in law school. 661 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 2: Tell me about the substance that the live in Stefan 662 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 2: Stearns was googling what is it? 663 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: And how could that have been used on. 664 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: Matti and would it have shown up in an autopsy? 665 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: And if they didn't get it in a. 666 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 2: Regular TALS panel, could we exhume her and look for it? 667 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: Or possibly they still have some of her tissue they 668 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: could use to search for it in that tissue. 669 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: This is all great. 670 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 18: So several fluorine is anesthetic, Okay, this is what they 671 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 18: can use during surgery. 672 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: You don't just get it willy nilly. 673 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 18: I think they need to go back to the scene 674 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 18: and see was it used. 675 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: Did he snuff her out? 676 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 18: It's inhaled, you know, it doesn't just get in your 677 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 18: body by injection. Even so, where does he get it? 678 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 18: And is there a rag or how did he get 679 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 18: her to breathe it in? Did he knock her out 680 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 18: before strangling her? And That's what I'm really concerned about 681 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 18: because when I don't have any interests that he has scratches, 682 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 18: you know, his facebooks clean. She should have fought back 683 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 18: if he's being strangled, and we just don't see that 684 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 18: now the decomp. 685 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if that would have shown up in 686 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 2: a regular toxicology panel, and if not, I'm sure they 687 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 2: still have some of her tissue or blood some sort 688 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 2: of body fluid left from the autopsy that they could 689 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: test for this to find out if you use that 690 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: on her quick question Shannon Butler are joining us WFTV nine. 691 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 2: A lot of unusual phone calls are being made by 692 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 2: Stepan Stearns behind bars to five different people. 693 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,919 Speaker 1: One was a hang up, I. 694 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 2: Believe, one was to his father, believe to other family member. 695 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 2: There's a mystery call that he keeps calling this number 696 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 2: a lot from behind bars. And also it's my understanding 697 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: that the state has just issued a subpoena for updated 698 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 2: phone and computer data relating to jen Soto. Mommy, is 699 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 2: it possible she is that fifth person. 700 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: That he is calling from behind bars? 701 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 3: It is possible. 702 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 7: Actually, I asked that question early this morning of investigators. 703 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 3: Who is this call? 704 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 7: They said, we have been subpoenaing those phone records every 705 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 7: single month, and so they did not answer what that 706 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 7: number was where those phone calls were coming from. But 707 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 7: State expect that information is coming shortly. 708 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: Again, Mommy is not a suspect. Mommy is not a 709 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: POI person of interest. 710 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: She is absolutely not suspected of being the one that 711 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 2: murdered her daughter. 712 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: We wait as just as some poles. Thank you to 713 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: all of our guests. Again, Jennifer Sota not a suspect. 714 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend