Speaker 1: I am all in. I am all in with Scott
Speaker 1: Patterson and I heart radio podcast. All Right, everybody, we're back.
Speaker 1: We are joined by Amy Sugarman, Daniel Romo, Riley pelusis welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 1: Hello everybody. How are you guys? I mean awesome? After
Speaker 1: that episode, We're ready. Season two episode was fifteen Lost
Speaker 1: and Found. Oh boy, oh boy, what a what a
Speaker 1: what a rollicking ride this was. I tell you that, Lucy,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is an expression that
Speaker 1: makes any sense, but he's wrapped tighter than a country ham.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Did you know going into it that
Speaker 1: it had what I consider your second most iconic scene,
Speaker 1: which is the second most iconic scene, the rant that
Speaker 1: my favorite scene ever. Yeah, your first is pushing the lake,
Speaker 1: and then this has number two. Yeah. Um, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of luke this week, A lot of luke.
Speaker 1: You couldn't get away from luke. Uh yeah, I look,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this episode. I thought it again, it
Speaker 1: was really tight, It was taught, it was filled with tension,
Speaker 1: it was filled with humor. It was it was just
Speaker 1: beautifully written and directed, and I thought the acting was
Speaker 1: was spot on. And uh, you know, I have to
Speaker 1: take back that I, you know, don't really enjoy watching
Speaker 1: the kids stuff, because I enjoyed watching the kids stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. I liked watching Milo and Alexis go at it,
Speaker 1: you know, I like I liked Laurela and Milo going
Speaker 1: at it. I thought it was terrific. And I got
Speaker 1: to know him a little better as a character, and
Speaker 1: I got to see some vulnerability, and I really liked
Speaker 1: him in this even though he was being a pain
Speaker 1: in the butt. You know, there's just something about how
Speaker 1: he approaches that character that draws you in so literally
Speaker 1: when he gives the little subtle smirks and you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, what really captive for me is seeing those
Speaker 1: piles and piles of clothes that his mother sent him
Speaker 1: in Luke's apartment. It's like, we're done, You're not my son,
Speaker 1: I'm disowning you. Let Luke raise you. And it's just
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for him, Um, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just felt a little deeper in
Speaker 1: love with him, you know. So anything he was doing
Speaker 1: in the episode, um, and he wasn't being like, you know,
Speaker 1: jerky to Dean anymore. Within this episode. It was just
Speaker 1: sort of he was just going back and forth. He
Speaker 1: wants this girl, and and I really see that he's
Speaker 1: unable to. He he just doesn't trust people. And he's
Speaker 1: so wounded by his the rejection of his mother that
Speaker 1: he's not going to open up to anybody. And he's
Speaker 1: especially he's not going to open up to Laurela. I
Speaker 1: mean he tried. Yeah, he's doing the best he can.
Speaker 1: He's doing the best he can. And he put an
Speaker 1: effort in right when she was because you see him,
Speaker 1: you see him say no, I'm good. And then he
Speaker 1: remembers what Rory said and he's like, no, actually, food
Speaker 1: sounds good, right, And he tries the small talk. And
Speaker 1: Rory is such a ray of sunshine and she's so
Speaker 1: honest and she's so righteous that she opens his eyes
Speaker 1: to a whole new world, like, hey, you're safe, you
Speaker 1: can be safe with me. Uh. But I like how
Speaker 1: she had that conversation with both of them. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: really tells Laurela, you need to try. And then she
Speaker 1: does the same to Jet, very mature, and then she
Speaker 1: goes and stands up for her mother. But that's my mother.
Speaker 1: She's my best friend in the world, and you're not
Speaker 1: going to treat her this way and give her a chance.
Speaker 1: She's a wonderful human being. You know, you can't just
Speaker 1: reject her and have me, you know, be interested in you.
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, you're interested in you know. It's
Speaker 1: the one thing he hears, Right, I didn't know, and well,
Speaker 1: not in that word. I care about I care about
Speaker 1: something about I care about you, or you care about me? Right,
Speaker 1: and very charming stuff, you know, very very heartfelt, very charming. Um,
Speaker 1: high stakes, just just wonderful episode all the way around.
Speaker 1: I got my unique fix. So as long as I
Speaker 1: get my unique fix, my Michelle fix, I'm good. Right.
Speaker 1: I missed Richard and Emily a little bit in this episode.
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to see them come into the fold,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I guess you didn't. Really, you
Speaker 1: don't really need him in every single episode. There doesn't
Speaker 1: have to always be a Friday night dinner, but it
Speaker 1: would be nice if there was. But there is top
Speaker 1: notch episode. It's one of the best, I think, So.
Speaker 1: I think it's really because it lays you know, it's
Speaker 1: looking forward. It lays a lot of ground where where
Speaker 1: we're going. Um, and it moves Luke and Lowrela a
Speaker 1: little bit more forward, not like not so in our face,
Speaker 1: but just the scene where they pretend to be married
Speaker 1: and looks like, oh god, what are you crazy? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to reconcile with you know, with the
Speaker 1: fact that he is. He just really blew up in
Speaker 1: her kitchen. But I would say that that guy has
Speaker 1: a lot dumped on him. There's a lot of stress
Speaker 1: in his life right now. He can't even you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's got to sit in his diner at night
Speaker 1: and watch a tiny little television set with a with
Speaker 1: an aluminum foil and a and a hanger as an antenna,
Speaker 1: just to get some peace because he's got to get
Speaker 1: away from jazz. Who listens to the rock music or
Speaker 1: the punk music? In the apartment is way too small, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's just I mean, it's full of his stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, he had to get out. That was a stressful,
Speaker 1: hot mess in there, and we're forgetting the fact that
Speaker 1: he's suddenly raising a kid, so not only like squishtion
Speaker 1: to this mess, like suddenly he's raising a teenager. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lost it, He really lost it, didn't he. I
Speaker 1: felt bad for the guy. I don't know, what do
Speaker 1: you Danielle Riley, what thing? What do you think of
Speaker 1: this episode? I loved it. I think it's a very
Speaker 1: pivotal episode. We start to see the shift between Rory
Speaker 1: and Dean, and just like with that little um the
Speaker 1: city yards, say, would you consider that yard? The charity fair?
Speaker 1: Charity books? And how like Rory just kept wanting to,
Speaker 1: you know, look at books, and she was like stopping
Speaker 1: herself because Dean wanted to watch Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: and like all that kind of stuff, and you start
Speaker 1: to see like, Okay, they aren't actually meant to be together,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they're not. They're just so different.
Speaker 1: She rolled her eyes like again with the Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings for god, seging, how dumb are you? And
Speaker 1: then him with the books, you know, like he was
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh my god, how many more books
Speaker 1: are you going to get? But that's so authentically she
Speaker 1: acknowledges to Jeff like we're not at our best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like so she even knows it too. She said that
Speaker 1: about Dean to Jess our best in this episode, I paraphrase,
Speaker 1: but something to the gist of that we're struggling or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, because but she was putting that on
Speaker 1: on Jess is right. It's like you've been such a
Speaker 1: you're being such a disruptive force in this town that
Speaker 1: you know, it's causing problems with my relationship. And I
Speaker 1: really loved Dean. But then yeah, exactly, Daniel. You see
Speaker 1: him at the book fair and he's like, oh, lit
Speaker 1: a little board, you know, he's looking at his watch
Speaker 1: like I'm along, we've been you know, do you want
Speaker 1: to go to the astronomy section? Go ahead, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't be looking at books? What's wrong with you know?
Speaker 1: Come on, like find a Lord of the ringbook like,
Speaker 1: you know, like find a way to connect. Come on, buddy. No,
Speaker 1: you could you could argue that he is like the
Speaker 1: good boyfriend because he's he's almost like the purse holder.
Speaker 1: He's just there because she wants to be there. So
Speaker 1: it's like there is an element like he doesn't care
Speaker 1: about these books. He went for her, so there is
Speaker 1: um you could you could play both sides of that,
Speaker 1: her whole her whole world as books. Books mean more
Speaker 1: to her than anything else in the world, any possession
Speaker 1: in the world. World is the verbal sparring. No, well,
Speaker 1: that's how she grew up, man. She's very you know,
Speaker 1: she's a she's a black Belding and banter, um, right,
Speaker 1: and and and she gets that from her mom, and
Speaker 1: she gets that from book. Ultimately, it's all from books.
Speaker 1: It's from reading. We have to totally remember black belding banter.
Speaker 1: Such the perfect explanation of the Gilmore's because is a
Speaker 1: black belt and banter too. Yeah, they're quick, they're fast
Speaker 1: and funny and they're cutting and they're nasty, all right,
Speaker 1: and that is you know, that's the Northeast for you.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the elite Northeast, right, that's all that
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So um, But anyway, Riley, what did
Speaker 1: you think of the episode? I totally agree on everything
Speaker 1: that has been said. And then I love how we
Speaker 1: talked about the books. And then you see the shift
Speaker 1: of focusing on Jess because then Dean was an interest
Speaker 1: in the books. But you see Jess in Rory's room
Speaker 1: just to look at her books, like you see the books,
Speaker 1: the books books. He was looking at the books, all right.
Speaker 1: There is a through line that he they have that
Speaker 1: major common interest and that they really can talk about literature.
Speaker 1: I will say I was gonna how many episodes ago?
Speaker 1: Was that three episodes ago where she lost her bracelet
Speaker 1: and Jess picked it up. Um, I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder when that's going to come back. And finally this
Speaker 1: episode was like oh ding ding ding, and Jes said
Speaker 1: it perfectly, like she hasn't had it for two weeks
Speaker 1: and she's just noticing. Now. Yeah, Scott, my question for you,
Speaker 1: and I really want you to break this down. He
Speaker 1: didn't steal the bracelet. No, Lorlie says that right, but
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't give it back right away. But
Speaker 1: do we know and forgive me because I know people
Speaker 1: will say I should know this. I don't know that
Speaker 1: Jess knows that bracelet was from Dean. No. I think he, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he found out, so he didn't take the bracelet like
Speaker 1: I'm like like some criminal mind that's like I'm going
Speaker 1: to steal her bracelet that Dean gave her. I think
Speaker 1: he kept it because it was hers and he wanted
Speaker 1: to like hold it, because we see that when he's
Speaker 1: talking on the phone with her, he's holding it, he's
Speaker 1: looking at it. It's like a little keepsake to keep
Speaker 1: him close, keep her close to him. So I don't
Speaker 1: think he's the criminal that everyone makes him out to
Speaker 1: me right. But then once he found out, he did,
Speaker 1: you know, use it to his advantage, which you know,
Speaker 1: he's a clever, clever boy. Well, I feel like, okay,
Speaker 1: and you guys debate this because this is I'm giving
Speaker 1: my opinion, but I feel once he found out that
Speaker 1: she was so upset about it, he quickly figured out, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't just give it back to her because then
Speaker 1: I'm like the creepy guy that took her bracelet and
Speaker 1: held it in my bed at night. But like he
Speaker 1: figured out a way to put it back in there
Speaker 1: and make it seem like she found it. So I
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a good guy with this bracelet.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I misinterpreted that. And we're
Speaker 1: already seeing the green shoots of his relationship or his
Speaker 1: feelings for Rory. Rory saving his life, books are saving
Speaker 1: his life without Rory. Without books, this kid's in trouble.
Speaker 1: This kid's going into jail, This kid's you know, committing
Speaker 1: violent acts. I mean, we saw an earlier episode that
Speaker 1: he is prone to violence, that he is, you know,
Speaker 1: a beat away, a heartbeat away from from punching somebody. Um,
Speaker 1: But now he's softening he's getting deeper into his feelings
Speaker 1: with Rory. Her feelings are deepening. He's reading more, he's
Speaker 1: spending more time with you know, in his Luke's now
Speaker 1: garbage apartment filled with his boxes and stuff. But he
Speaker 1: is making an attempt. You wanted him to clean the
Speaker 1: gutters and he said okay, And Lorelai wanted him to
Speaker 1: chat over the Chinese food because she was making her
Speaker 1: like gesture to him. So he is trying. I don't
Speaker 1: even though Lorelai confronts him and they have that sort
Speaker 1: of exchange. Like he stole the bracelet, That's not how
Speaker 1: I read it. I think he wanted it because she
Speaker 1: dropped in was hers and then as soon as he
Speaker 1: knew she was upset, he returned it because she doesn't
Speaker 1: want her to be upset. Yeah, that's exactly what I Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know he's not gonna he's not gonna admit
Speaker 1: that to laurel I. You know. Um, but I liked
Speaker 1: how I liked how he you know, attempted to have
Speaker 1: a little Chinese lunch with with Laurel I. He tried
Speaker 1: his best. You know, I was rooting for the kid, um,
Speaker 1: I mean, what else can he do? Poor guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's in a gosh. Man, when you're that young and
Speaker 1: you're rejected that hard by a parent and you have
Speaker 1: nobody except your uncle, which is fine, Right, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a hard place to be. That's a very very
Speaker 1: difficult place to be. But if that's gonna happen to you,
Speaker 1: thank god it happened in a place like stars Hollowood.
Speaker 1: Then he's involved with Luke and he's involved with Rory.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got saved. Other kids that find themselves
Speaker 1: in that situation aren't so lucky, but he he got lucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really accurate. You know, he ended up in stars
Speaker 1: Hollow surrounded by some pretty solid people and now he's
Speaker 1: you know, the bright light that is that is Rory
Speaker 1: um with with what the future holds for her, what
Speaker 1: we think and hope and the future holds for her.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's in a good he's in a
Speaker 1: good spot. Well, speaking of that, what do you think
Speaker 1: of the scene in the kitchen when Luke and Laura
Speaker 1: I talk about, hey, do you think there's something going on?
Speaker 1: And looks like I really don't know, but I sure
Speaker 1: hope so, and like that sort of exchange they had
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Well, that's just a contrast to you know,
Speaker 1: they're divergent views on Jess. And I don't blame Laura
Speaker 1: Life for feeling the way she does. She's operating with
Speaker 1: not a full slate of information on the kid, right,
Speaker 1: She's not. She doesn't have all the details. She just
Speaker 1: sees what she sees. And these are very negative impressions,
Speaker 1: all all three or four of them. And it just
Speaker 1: seems like every encounter with Jess is a negative encounter,
Speaker 1: and she always ends up kind of barking at him
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, let's like, get off my property,
Speaker 1: get out of right. I mean, he sort of earned
Speaker 1: as a reputation, like Taylor said, held them in the back.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like he has done some things that
Speaker 1: are a little he's sort of the town bad boy
Speaker 1: with chalk outline and the whole thing. So I get
Speaker 1: why she's you know, yeah, I don't don't blame her
Speaker 1: at all. And and and sure there's that disconnect between
Speaker 1: those two and I just you know, getting back to
Speaker 1: that rant. Um interesting he goes to her and really
Speaker 1: let's loose like that. Um, And I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was sitting there actually just trying to you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting judge e with my acting and judging
Speaker 1: with the choices I was making. And but you know,
Speaker 1: and the thing that was amazing me, and we'll we'll
Speaker 1: get a little wonky here on acting technique a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was amazed at how with such you know, it's
Speaker 1: a very difficult assignment for Lauren because she can't throw
Speaker 1: off my timing because I'm just going like a million
Speaker 1: miles an hour, um um, you know, every every movement
Speaker 1: is connected to something. Uh. You know, I've got to
Speaker 1: hit all those beats through that speech and she can't
Speaker 1: mess me up, right, She's got to keep the balls
Speaker 1: in the air the same way I am. And if
Speaker 1: she hesitates a little bit on one line because she
Speaker 1: had these like uh huh, well what did you say?
Speaker 1: And you know this kind of thing that's hard. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to do. And I hadn't thought go watch
Speaker 1: that scene again and look how relaxed she is and
Speaker 1: how with what such ease she gets through that scene.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. And is that because of her and she's
Speaker 1: just got so naturally talented or does she also just
Speaker 1: know the scene so perfectly? Both? And it's just like
Speaker 1: she's really there for you as a partner, as a
Speaker 1: scene partner, and she's like she's saying to you, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna let you fall. I'm gonna I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna hit my cues. Your timing is
Speaker 1: gonna be perfect. Don't worry, just go. And I remember
Speaker 1: every single take it was like it was it was magic.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really hard to do really hard to
Speaker 1: do that and usually takes a long time, but with her,
Speaker 1: it was just it's just easy, you know. And I'd
Speaker 1: love that you talk about that, because as a person
Speaker 1: sitting and watching it, I don't even think about it
Speaker 1: because it's just so real. It's like it's still their cadence.
Speaker 1: But it's just so real that nothing takes me out
Speaker 1: of that scene. And I get as you. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at myself in this zoom right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gross. Like how you can watch
Speaker 1: it without judging yourself is almost impossible. Well, look, you're
Speaker 1: supported by the dialogue, you're supported by the scene, you're
Speaker 1: supported by the lighting, you're supported by all that great
Speaker 1: stuff that technical crew brings to bear Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: the miracle of that scene was just watching Lauren in it,
Speaker 1: you know, and watching how how easily and comfortably and
Speaker 1: how relaxed she was through the whole thing, and how
Speaker 1: comedic she was, and her just the timing of everything
Speaker 1: she was doing because she's got a watch it again.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that make you guys want to watch against? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I even noticed her so much.
Speaker 1: I mean I did. That's her job is just sort
Speaker 1: of like let me go and like let me shine
Speaker 1: and let that, and she's just so good at it,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just it's and they all are. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's wondering even with Jess, those scenes with Jess, those
Speaker 1: quick back and forth scenes with Jess, I mean it
Speaker 1: was also right. I mean at the end, he has
Speaker 1: very minimal blines. Let's say that he has to just
Speaker 1: really be with you as you're coming in and open
Speaker 1: the fledge, you know, and he just has to be
Speaker 1: so on his game, and only one could you only
Speaker 1: do that? One could only could And do you feel stressed?
Speaker 1: And Amy Amy told us to said, listen, you can
Speaker 1: only do one take because if we have to do
Speaker 1: another take, if you flub the line or you flubbed
Speaker 1: the hit. Then it's going to take a couple of
Speaker 1: hours to to reset, reset this whole this set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so does that? What does that make you feel? Like?
Speaker 1: Just hey, it's time, it's it's time to Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and rise to the occasion in honor of his retirement.
Speaker 1: I want to know it. Like after you banging a
Speaker 1: hole in the wall, there's like all this dust and
Speaker 1: debris coming down. Is somebody back there is throwing things
Speaker 1: down the wall. I think it was either somebody throwing
Speaker 1: things down or was was rigged for stuff to fall? Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: and it was perfect. The whole thing was perfect. But yes,
Speaker 1: you're and you're right. Notice how when I come in
Speaker 1: Jess doesn't pay attention to me. But then when I
Speaker 1: go in the closet, get the sledgehammer and start passing him,
Speaker 1: and he turns and notices a sledgehammer. So it's like
Speaker 1: all his he has no dialogue, but communicating his confusion,
Speaker 1: his amazement, his fear, his excitement, all in in his
Speaker 1: body movements. And then he gets up very quickly, very
Speaker 1: energetically to follow me to see what the hell he's doing,
Speaker 1: Like it's Luke gonna go beat somebody's head in what's
Speaker 1: he doing? He doesn't know. And then when I go
Speaker 1: to the wall and smash it, he just his body
Speaker 1: tightens up and he's like amazed by it and like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? So these people are
Speaker 1: so wonderful at what they do. Their craft is so
Speaker 1: finely honed. Um and especially in that that walk and
Speaker 1: talk we were doing I was doing with the with
Speaker 1: Milo Um looking at apartments, so that was all and
Speaker 1: it was just like, I just I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I thought all the apartment stuff was really like
Speaker 1: entertaining clever, and I didn't remember it. And I've seen
Speaker 1: this episode many times because I think it's more subtle,
Speaker 1: whereas you remember the scenes the more dramatic and the
Speaker 1: Luke and lor Lye and the jest stuff that was
Speaker 1: so clever and funny, like you guys walking around town,
Speaker 1: and then this in the apartment with lor Lye, and
Speaker 1: then just the fact that Taylor owns half the town.
Speaker 1: It's like, of course, so good and that just makes
Speaker 1: you more mad. How great is Michael Winners. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's scene on the street of the sidewalk was just magic.
Speaker 1: He's mad at your applications why why are you looking
Speaker 1: at my applicate? It's so genius And I didn't see
Speaker 1: it coming and was just like, mo, he owns half
Speaker 1: the buildings in town. And then you've got a good
Speaker 1: deal on that building if you bought the building for
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars. But maybe that was your down
Speaker 1: payment down payment. No, the whole building and Stars Hollow
Speaker 1: in two thousand was a Graham of course, yes, a
Speaker 1: large building. Now yeah, underground. I thought the same thing, Amy,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what a bargain? And he paid cash too?
Speaker 1: How much cash? Just Luke just having some bank account somewhere.
Speaker 1: It's like, whoa, Yeah, I started, you know, I started
Speaker 1: feeling bad for the guy. You know, what I really
Speaker 1: saw in Luke this episode was that he's just he
Speaker 1: really is this small town guy. He's not leaving, he
Speaker 1: doesn't need much. Why is he living up there? You know,
Speaker 1: why doesn't he have an apartment? He just I just
Speaker 1: think he misses his dad. He wants to be near
Speaker 1: his dad. I think he's really Yes, I agree that
Speaker 1: a lot of pain. That doesn't No, he's in a
Speaker 1: lot of pain. He's kind of frozen in the past
Speaker 1: a little bit or you know it's I just felt
Speaker 1: bad for him. It's like, get out of you, get
Speaker 1: out of your own way, guy. I mean it's just
Speaker 1: like evolve a little bit. Get you know. That's so
Speaker 1: interesting because you you more have sympathy where I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is how this guy isn't he's happy this way.
Speaker 1: I didn't even find him to be that unhappy watching
Speaker 1: the game and the diner on the tiny, little crappy TV.
Speaker 1: It's like he's sort of just that guy that's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good with however it is. I just
Speaker 1: think he misses his dad. I think he's sitting down there.
Speaker 1: It was very moving that scene for me, definitely true
Speaker 1: because of the sign. I mean that is definitely true
Speaker 1: because when Taylor mentions the sign. And when I loved
Speaker 1: the most about that scene was the fact that Laurel
Speaker 1: I went in to comfort him. That was her going
Speaker 1: in to comfort him because she saw that pathetic scene, like,
Speaker 1: look at this poor guy, he's alone watching this crappy
Speaker 1: little TV and he's drinking a beer. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: on his best friend. Well. She also drops everything when
Speaker 1: you call from the pay phone, which I thought was
Speaker 1: hilarious to payphone to go look at the apartment. She
Speaker 1: drops everything immediately and was like, okay, I'll be right there, right,
Speaker 1: But you see, but you see what happens if there's
Speaker 1: if there's too much Jess. There can't be too much
Speaker 1: Jess every week, and there can't be too much Luke
Speaker 1: every week because there was a lot of Luke this week.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine all that Luke every single week? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I like Luke, so I don't mind it. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's but it's a different show. It's a different show.
Speaker 1: It's a completely different show. I mean it has to
Speaker 1: be balanced. Back to the girls. You know, it's got
Speaker 1: to be. It's it's got the Luke and Jes show.
Speaker 1: Only No, it's Gilmore girls. It's it's it's mother and daughter.
Speaker 1: You know. Interesting sidebar. They tried that. They tried to
Speaker 1: spin off Jazz and it didn't work. But we won't
Speaker 1: get into that. I would like the Danes, dudes, he's
Speaker 1: not a Danes. I did sit I did sit down
Speaker 1: with the president of Warnerbroog Brothers Television back in the
Speaker 1: day for lunch at the executive dining room. Oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we had full access to it and nobody even
Speaker 1: knew it. You could you could either go to the commissary,
Speaker 1: which is very nice, and then next door they had
Speaker 1: the executive dining room, which is very cheesy, right how
Speaker 1: a matri did and you know, the white table claws
Speaker 1: the whole time. Um, so I had so I had
Speaker 1: lunch with him and I pitched him, you know, not
Speaker 1: Duke Danes, but I said, let's let's let's spin off Luke,
Speaker 1: you know, let's call you know, Carol O'Connor did it
Speaker 1: with you know, on the Family. Why can't I do it?
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, Scott, uh, we thought about it,
Speaker 1: but it's just you know, people will really long for
Speaker 1: the characters that aren't there. Yeah, so perfect example, Joey,
Speaker 1: What's what's Joey? What's that? It was the Friends spin
Speaker 1: off and it did not work. Oh right with Matt,
Speaker 1: with Matt le Blanc and I love Maliblanc, but you
Speaker 1: missed the other friends too much. But he was he
Speaker 1: was the same character and friends as he wasn't Joe
Speaker 1: maybe moved to l A or something, got some new
Speaker 1: friends and none of them were that cool, and it
Speaker 1: was like and it didn't and it didn't last at all.
Speaker 1: Didn't even they maybe gave it a second season just
Speaker 1: because it was Matt LeBlanc, right. Wow. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I think we could have
Speaker 1: pulled it off. There were enough auxiliary characters in that
Speaker 1: show where you could have filled that diner with a
Speaker 1: lot of those characters who Yeah, I guess if they
Speaker 1: stayed right, if they stayed in Stars all off. But
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they spin them off, they
Speaker 1: moved somewhere away, and it's like starting fresh. I can
Speaker 1: see their point. It's hard to sustain something like that
Speaker 1: without Lauren and Alexis. I mean it, it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be my show right in a in a diner. That's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be tough. That's gonna be Remember remember Alice,
Speaker 1: that show Alice kind of sort of they were just
Speaker 1: in the diner, like, I don't know that they ever
Speaker 1: left the diner. It was like Alice, remember that. You
Speaker 1: don't remember kiss my Grants that old show. Was it
Speaker 1: a spin off from another show? No, you would know it.
Speaker 1: Keep talking, Oh, it's Bonnie Franklin, right, or that's one
Speaker 1: day at a time for Laurie, Laura something it was, Yes,
Speaker 1: Linda yes, I do remember it was there just in
Speaker 1: the diner, like I don't know they ever went outside
Speaker 1: the diner, like I sort of got every scene was
Speaker 1: in the diner. Yeah that hair, But I mean, are
Speaker 1: you gonna be able to anyway? So it's a lot
Speaker 1: of luke um. I mean, I listen. I really liked
Speaker 1: the episode. I I really think it was a top
Speaker 1: notch writing, um, beautifully structured again, not never a dull moment,
Speaker 1: completely engaged in the whole thing, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: funny as all get out, a Patty's a walking. It
Speaker 1: was hysterical. It was hysterical. But it is it is
Speaker 1: seeing It is seeing Laurela dealing with a lot of tension,
Speaker 1: a lot of situations, right, I mean, there's all this
Speaker 1: going back and forth, this Jess tension point. It really
Speaker 1: winds her up, doesn't it? As a mother? I mean,
Speaker 1: and it has to it should um, and her daughter
Speaker 1: is going to get thrown off track by a bad
Speaker 1: boy who's super good looking and you know, clever and
Speaker 1: bad intentions and you know he's like out maneuvering us somehow.
Speaker 1: And I caught him in the bedroom planting that you know,
Speaker 1: what are you doing in right? Right. Did you see
Speaker 1: your eyes? Did you see her fix her eyes on
Speaker 1: him going down? Yeah? Man, she isn't like getting in
Speaker 1: fighting mode, like she's just ready to throw down right there.
Speaker 1: It felt a little Emily, like a little nod to Emily,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah. Episode was clever right from
Speaker 1: the start though, because they come into the diner and
Speaker 1: you're not there. She wants her pancakes, which brings her
Speaker 1: back behind that curtain and up those stairs, and then
Speaker 1: we see the apartment Like it's so well crafted because
Speaker 1: it's not like we had to have a scene where
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, guys, I'm in a bad mood because
Speaker 1: my apartment's a messonet's too small. Like they don't they
Speaker 1: don't shove it our face. They show us, Oh she
Speaker 1: needs the pancakes. Oh funny old we go. Oh my,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like that's one of the things I love.
Speaker 1: And it's so brilliant, like they don't dump us over
Speaker 1: the head whatever the saying is. But I never loved
Speaker 1: Luke and Laurela more than I have in that episode.
Speaker 1: I really love them together. I love them from the
Speaker 1: first scene up in his apartment, you know, And it's
Speaker 1: just the way they banter, and it's the way they
Speaker 1: are with one another. And you know what, I had
Speaker 1: a stunning and I was gonna call you and pre
Speaker 1: plan this, but I had a stunning revelation. Tell wait,
Speaker 1: tell us, tell us, tell us. After the break. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to blow my own mind, but it happened.
Speaker 1: Nobody moved, nobody will be back. All right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be back after these words, and we're going to have
Speaker 1: a big revelation coming up. All right, we'll be right back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, we're back. We are about to reveal
Speaker 1: a stunning, stunning revelation. I had an aha moment yesterday.
Speaker 1: I literally have no idea. I have no idea, no okay,
Speaker 1: but you know I was I was going back and
Speaker 1: forth about whether to tell you and everybody so we
Speaker 1: could do some funny thing or whatever. But I just
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you because it was absolutely stunning,
Speaker 1: and I just had no idea, and I gosh, how
Speaker 1: do I I hope I'm not let down by this now. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm reading okay, so so um, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people ask me what's the inspiration
Speaker 1: for Luke Okay and I'm not trying to make this
Speaker 1: about me, but you know I was Luke was It
Speaker 1: was Luke heavy episode for sure? About you? Just let
Speaker 1: me take a moment. Okay, I know the emails are
Speaker 1: gonna fly in. I'm I'm I'm ready. I've got the
Speaker 1: keV Lauren, I'm ready. Um uh. Look So anyway, so
Speaker 1: everybody asked me that question when I do interviews over
Speaker 1: the years, like where's the inspiration for Luke? You know what,
Speaker 1: I never knew. I really didn't know until yesterday, and
Speaker 1: now I know, and I'm not and you're going to
Speaker 1: be shocked, but there isn't a character that I thought
Speaker 1: was cooler and more impactful on me as a consumer
Speaker 1: of entertainment right of film. Yeah, then ready Luke, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Guess it's aid even though iconic Winklers did an unbelievably
Speaker 1: great job with that. H could it be? Girls? Do
Speaker 1: you have any gasses? Huh? Can you give me an era?
Speaker 1: Is he from the eighties? Is he from nineties? Frank Poncerello?
Speaker 1: No chips? Even though super cool cat for sure? Let
Speaker 1: me have one more guest before you tell an iconic
Speaker 1: TV character or movie. I'm not saying I'm not gonna say,
Speaker 1: all right, contra Volta's Danny from from what Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Favorites from Greece? No, No, okay, one more give me
Speaker 1: that hint you were going to give me what hint?
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna give me one little clue
Speaker 1: because I said, is it a TV or movie character? Movie?
Speaker 1: It's a movie character from the seventies? Yes, from the seventies.
Speaker 1: What hint? I thought You're gonna give me one little
Speaker 1: clue because I said, is it a TV or movie character? Movie?
Speaker 1: It's a movie character from the seventies. Yes, from the seventies.
Speaker 1: And I think you got it. That's it, That's exactly
Speaker 1: what you nailed it. It's Hans Solo. It's Harrison's Ford
Speaker 1: interpretation of Hans Solo because he was, you know, world weary,
Speaker 1: he was a little bit funny. He just didn't care
Speaker 1: about Princess Leah, and he did right, checked all the boxes.
Speaker 1: That character left an indelible impression on me. And that's
Speaker 1: who I called forth in the audition. And I didn't
Speaker 1: even know it isn't that interesting? Yes, I but I
Speaker 1: but I get it. Yes, he's Hans Solo. I'm doing
Speaker 1: my version of Hans Solo because I thought that character
Speaker 1: that was the oh do you know why? Because because
Speaker 1: I was I was watching the the uh it was
Speaker 1: on last night. I was watching a little you know,
Speaker 1: the modern version with Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley, and
Speaker 1: then Harrison Ford made an appearance in a scene with
Speaker 1: Adam Driver and the whole thing was just so serious
Speaker 1: and I was just I was, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was great, don't get me wrong. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what years from I don't know how old that is,
Speaker 1: the Daisy Ridley one, and I don't know how many
Speaker 1: she's been in It's it's like with like within ten
Speaker 1: years or five years or something like that. But it
Speaker 1: was so serious, and I was looking. I kept looking
Speaker 1: for the humor, and I thought these set pieces in that,
Speaker 1: these massive tidal waves and all this stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and and these very serious people on camera. Everything serious, serious, serious,
Speaker 1: And then I just I started thinking about the original
Speaker 1: Star Wars and how funny it was. Yes and us
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with the lightness of it, and
Speaker 1: how Harrison Ford kept it kind of light, and he
Speaker 1: kept it like he just threw it away, right. He
Speaker 1: threw scares all the time, all the time with with
Speaker 1: Princess Leiah, right, Luke and everybody. Yes, he was throwing
Speaker 1: lines all the time. It was all these one liners
Speaker 1: and it would make you laugh. So you just you
Speaker 1: just wanted to be in that world. And that's when
Speaker 1: it hit me because Harrison Ford was on screen having
Speaker 1: a scene with Adam Driver and the ocean is raging
Speaker 1: around them, and I thought, that doesn't seem like Han
Speaker 1: Solo at all. And then I went back and watched
Speaker 1: a couple of clips from the original Star Wars and
Speaker 1: I thought, good God, that's Luke. I am not mad
Speaker 1: about it, and I get it. And also, I know
Speaker 1: this sounds weird because what Han Solo war was different
Speaker 1: than what Luke wears, but in my mind right now,
Speaker 1: kind of the same, even though like Han Solo did
Speaker 1: change his outfits, but it was always sort of that
Speaker 1: same vibe. And I know you don't use the word
Speaker 1: vibe from this episode, and Luke has that same sort
Speaker 1: of rugged uniform I in And you know, I had
Speaker 1: an encounter. Look, I should write a book about my
Speaker 1: my New York City elevator encounters with celebrities. Celebrities that
Speaker 1: ignore you when you bump into them. Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I went into an elevator right around the Russian
Speaker 1: Tea room. Uh I was in a building right around
Speaker 1: the Russian and Metropolitan towers, that kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: uh I got into an elevator and Harrison Ford was
Speaker 1: there with an assistant or something and or and and
Speaker 1: I came in and we just looked at each other,
Speaker 1: and I just I didn't say anything till him. I
Speaker 1: just said it was stunned. Was like, that's Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1: And I said, another New York elevator situation and there
Speaker 1: was just this this there was a vibe in the elevator,
Speaker 1: there was this energy happening, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: that's Harrison Ford, you know. Um anyway, Han Solo, Luke
Speaker 1: is Han Solo. Ladies in Jil more Han Solo than
Speaker 1: Indie Indiana Jones, but there's little Indiana John's but mostly solo, Yes,
Speaker 1: but there is some of that too. I agree, get it.
Speaker 1: Because of all of the of the big movie stars
Speaker 1: that you can you know that you can think of
Speaker 1: one of my favorites, and maybe my favorite is Harrison
Speaker 1: Ford because of just what he brings to the table.
Speaker 1: I mean, that attitude, that whole attitude. How does he
Speaker 1: get away with it? He's so good at it and
Speaker 1: he's so relaxed. So anyway, there you go. That's the revelation.
Speaker 1: That's where I got it from. It was in my
Speaker 1: subconscious all these years. What since the Star Wars came
Speaker 1: out in something like that. Yeah, it's been in my
Speaker 1: subconscious all of this time. It's been in my actor
Speaker 1: brain all of this time, and I never realized it.
Speaker 1: There it is, may the Force, May the Force be
Speaker 1: with made the force ban the Force was with me.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the reason for all the Star Wars mentions
Speaker 1: in Gum Girls. I don't know Star Trek though, don't
Speaker 1: feel like there's heavy start track. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: very much Shatner in what I'm doing. Not allow of
Speaker 1: Shatner there. He used that force for the sledgehammer. We
Speaker 1: interrupt this program to bring you a special report. They're
Speaker 1: fun of sighting. Take it out of Los Angeles, California,
Speaker 1: where Danielle Romo is standing by the clown pillow. Two
Speaker 1: time mark for anybody that wants to check it out.
Speaker 1: There was also half clown pillow at four, but full
Speaker 1: on you are heading up that clown pillow department like
Speaker 1: a champ time codes. I like it. She's head of CPD.
Speaker 1: I will are that badge so proudly look at the
Speaker 1: power behind the throne right there, and there you have it.
Speaker 1: The clown pillow has turned up and yet another unexpected place.
Speaker 1: And that's the way it is. This is Walter Cronkite.
Speaker 1: Good night. Okay, So we're gonna take a little bit
Speaker 1: of a break, everybody. We're gonna towel off with This
Speaker 1: was a sweaty one. Oh my goodness, the energy, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember the energy you have to expand to do
Speaker 1: those rants. Those are those are sweaty affairs. You know,
Speaker 1: you get a little hot under the collar. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little break. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: with best lines. Are everybody all right? Everybody? I don't yeah,
Speaker 1: Well like that's like that's like podcast language only podcasters
Speaker 1: and can understand it. Right. That means and we're back.
Speaker 1: Uh listen, guys, Uh, we're back from our break and
Speaker 1: we're going to do best lines. Okay, as if everybody
Speaker 1: can gain their regain their composure amy best line, he's
Speaker 1: indulged me I have to do. We ever, not don't
Speaker 1: use the word vibe and then I love this one, Luke,
Speaker 1: I'll meet you there in twenty and a half minutes,
Speaker 1: because he doesn't like that they have the apartments of
Speaker 1: the addresses and I have so laoralize this, Luke, I'll
Speaker 1: meet Danielle. Mine was also a lower like quote. She
Speaker 1: goes and she's talking to Luke. She goes, you'll meet
Speaker 1: somebody someday, probably at a Timberland store. See how she
Speaker 1: throws those. She throws those in there, uh riley minus
Speaker 1: from Luke, and he says he's systematically buying up the town.
Speaker 1: He's going to turn it into Taylorville, where everyone where
Speaker 1: his cardigans and have the same cut grass height. Yeah, well, listen,
Speaker 1: I always I always revert back to the mean, which
Speaker 1: is Michelle. And I don't know exactly what he said,
Speaker 1: but he had a scene with Laurel where she didn't
Speaker 1: trust him about something and he got very and he
Speaker 1: got very sarcastic with her, like, but how can you
Speaker 1: trust me in the future to do anything? Answer the phone?
Speaker 1: And what do you say? He was going to go
Speaker 1: out and get a pineapple. Somebody's gonna put a hat
Speaker 1: on my head. I'm gonna go join a congo line
Speaker 1: for the bracelet and he's here. Are you sure right right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's It's Michelle. It's always going to be Michelle. Alright,
Speaker 1: everybody said, that's it. I'm Scott Patterson. This is the
Speaker 1: I Am All In Podcast, I Hurt Radio, I want
Speaker 1: to Live In Productions. We will see you next time
Speaker 1: the next episode culture no I know. But for those
Speaker 1: that maybe don't listen to Riley next episode number sixteen,
Speaker 1: there's the rub. There's the rub. So we'll see you
Speaker 1: next time. Everybody, best fans on the planet. Thanks for
Speaker 1: your downloads, Thanks for listening, and stay safe everyone. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am
Speaker 1: all In Podcast and email us at Gilmore at I
Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. Oh you give more, fans. If
Speaker 1: you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world,
Speaker 1: go to my website for my company scott EP dot com,
Speaker 1: s C O T T y P dot com, scott
Speaker 1: EP dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee. Yeah.