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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph

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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Last year, synthetic opioids like Fintonel

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Speaker 1: surpassed heroin as the leading cause of drug overdose deaths.

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Speaker 1: Or people are dying from scription peals and the are

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Speaker 1: caused by synthetic opioids has more than doubled from These

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Speaker 1: are people, These are real people, and they're dying out

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Speaker 1: because nobody seems to care anymore. Altogether, the number of

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Speaker 1: opioid overdose deaths surpassed the number of deaths caused by

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Speaker 1: the aids of Adenna cut its peak. In Sulton County,

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Speaker 1: leaders along with representatives from a private law firm, are

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Speaker 1: suing twelve manufacturers and distributors of opioid based medication. They

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Speaker 1: We were all stunned to see recent images and these

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Speaker 1: I investigated it of a couple, nice car, look like

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Speaker 1: daddy passed out on opioid's heroine. And that photo, that

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Speaker 1: one image circulated around the world. We are in the

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Speaker 1: middle of an opioid crisis and opioid epidemic. Other countries

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Speaker 1: are looking at us saying, look, America has an opioid epidemic.

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Speaker 1: Look at the US. What how did we get in

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Speaker 1: this spot? And I remember prosecuting cases and there would

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with me. With me now. Mark Tate, lawyer representing

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Speaker 1: government suing drug companies. That's what it's come to. Dr

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Speaker 1: William Moroney, opioid treatment expert Nanette Sosa, Crime Stories contributing

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Speaker 1: reporter and Tim Ryan a and ease quote dope man. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that, dopeman and

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Speaker 1: advisor to rehab dot Com, Tim Ryan, I'm starting with you.

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Speaker 1: You we're an addict. How did you get clean? I

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Speaker 1: was that middle class father. I was a very successful businessman.

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Speaker 1: right now I can't see Dr William Roney, my friend

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Speaker 1: Ninette Sosa, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Nanette, why is it

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Speaker 1: being termed an epidemic a crisis? And I noticed that

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Speaker 1: the president just declared war on the opioid crisis. But

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Speaker 1: I recall, Nanette Sosa. When I first started as a

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Speaker 1: district attorney in inner City Atlanta, the elected D A.

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Speaker 1: Louis Layton sent me to the hill, in other words,

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Speaker 1: the Assembly the Georgia legislature to push anti crime issues,

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Speaker 1: and the politicians were forever making this proclamation and that

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Speaker 1: law and this law. But then they wouldn't give in

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Speaker 1: any money, so the laws meant nothing. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: could order somebody to drug rehab every day of the week,

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Speaker 1: but without a drug rehab facility, there were not enough beds,

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Speaker 1: so they would sit in jail for a year waiting

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Speaker 1: their time will be done. They get out without ever

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Speaker 1: getting rehab. So when you put a law on the books.

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Speaker 1: That's a joke. That means nothing unless you give it

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Speaker 1: the money the nets. So so, why what are the stats?

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Speaker 1: Why is it being called an opioid epidemic a crisis

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Speaker 1: In the US, it's called an epidemic because it's been

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Speaker 1: so overprescribed by physicians for a while. Beginning in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: there was an under prescription problem. People um complained. So

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Speaker 1: because of that, regulators became involved and said, well, let's

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Speaker 1: loosen these regulations so physicians can prescribe more pain, you know,

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Speaker 1: pain pills, and so as a result, users then became

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Speaker 1: addicted after being prescribed. Today, people who are using or

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Speaker 1: have been prescribed massive amount of opioids for their pain

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Speaker 1: no longer get prescriptions. Now they're hitting the streets and

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Speaker 1: using it illegally. Dr William Moroney, let's talk about statistics.

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Speaker 1: Why is it being called a crisis an epidemic? Explained

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Speaker 1: that to me, here's the number one reason why the

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Speaker 1: numbers are going up so fast. In two thousand fifteen,

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Speaker 1: there were fifty two thousand, four hundred and four overdoses.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand sixteen, CNN, the CDC, and The New

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Speaker 1: York Times quoted sixty four thousand opioid overdose deaths. I

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Speaker 1: project in my book American Narcand for two thousand seventeen,

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Speaker 1: we will have over seventy thousand, almost seventy nine thousand overdoses,

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Speaker 1: and by we will have over a hundred thousand overdoses

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Speaker 1: in America because the first wave, the second wave, and

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Speaker 1: the third wave are just happening so fast. It's outpacing

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Speaker 1: medical education, it's outpacing criminal justice. I'm listening to Dr

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Speaker 1: William Moroney, author of brand new book American Narcan Opioid Expert,

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Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, A and E's Dope Man with me Nanette Sosa,

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Speaker 1: Mark Tate, Tim Ryan. My husband had a very very

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Speaker 1: dear friend that he worked with for years and years

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Speaker 1: and years, and he had the apple of his eye

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Speaker 1: was his son. Okay. I don't know if you've ever

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Speaker 1: seen um the Harry Potter series, but I always think

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Speaker 1: of Cedric Diggory, who his father just you know, worshiped

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Speaker 1: his son and then his son dies and the pain

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Speaker 1: you see that reminds me of this father, this father's son,

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Speaker 1: my husband's friend, always great student, cross country track star

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Speaker 1: and some private school, I mean everything. You couldn't even

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Speaker 1: see this guy at the grocery store that I'm showing

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Speaker 1: you pictures of the son at this track made he

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Speaker 1: won this. He did that. His son tried heroin. Tim.

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Speaker 1: He tried heroin. After the first time he got addicted.

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Speaker 1: The father immediately sent him to the best addiction recovery

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Speaker 1: center he could find in the whole United States. He

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Speaker 1: got clean, he came back, he got back on track.

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Speaker 1: The next thing we heard, he died of an overdose.

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Speaker 1: He was seventeen, Tim seventeen. It's it's people you don't expect,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's people out on the street. It's junkies,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, the waitress at the waffle house. It's across

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Speaker 1: all races. Um, it's the rich white kid. It's everybody.

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Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, it's you. It's your son. He's dead because

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Speaker 1: of an overdose. Explain it to people that don't understand,

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Speaker 1: that have never used opioids. So you know, we have

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Speaker 1: to understand here, this is the new in drug. When

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Speaker 1: I'm dealing with kids or family members struggling. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to fit in the pressure. I just wanted to try it.

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Speaker 1: And if you try it that one time, that's it.

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Speaker 1: And as the doctor said from five years ago when

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Speaker 1: I was using too. Now it's not just heroin, it's fentinyl.

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Speaker 1: Fentnol is a thousand times stronger than pure heroin. Even

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Speaker 1: a lot of these pills that kids think they're buying

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Speaker 1: azan x bar it's crushed fent it's pear fentnyl. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's everywhere. We need much more education. And the thing

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Speaker 1: I hear from families, not my family. We live in

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Speaker 1: a good community. We go to church on Sunday. So

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Speaker 1: what you need to know who your friends are involved with,

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Speaker 1: be into their technology. Disaffects everyone. The big misconception Nancy

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Speaker 1: is the heroin addict as a homeless person on the

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Speaker 1: corner with the needle in their arms. My son never

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Speaker 1: used the needle. He started heroin and his buddy gave

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Speaker 1: him a bar azan x. The average heroin addict today

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Speaker 1: is a twenty two year old white middle class female,

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Speaker 1: and it's twenty three year old white middle class male.

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Speaker 1: I am in the middle of central Illinois right now,

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Speaker 1: in farm communities. I'm speaking at three high school today.

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Speaker 1: One high school has four hundred students. They've had ten

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Speaker 1: overnose that's in this little community in the past year.

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Speaker 1: This is everywhere. It's not going away. It's getting much

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Speaker 1: much worse. But what else is happening to We need

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Speaker 1: laws like the Good Samaritan law. When I speak in

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Speaker 1: high schools all over the country, none of the students

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Speaker 1: know what the Good Samaritan laws. And the Good Samaritan laws.

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Speaker 1: If me and you were doing drugs together and you overnose,

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Speaker 1: I can call one. The police will com hopefully save

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Speaker 1: your life, take the drugs, leave. Nobody gets arrested. Because

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Speaker 1: when my son died, he was with his girlfriend and

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Speaker 1: two other friends. They knew Nick was overdosing, and they panicked.

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Speaker 1: They were afraid to call the police. They had drugs,

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Speaker 1: they didn't know about the law. They put him on

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Speaker 1: the sofa, he was breathing. They went in the basement,

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Speaker 1: did more drugs, forgot about him. Came up an hour

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Speaker 1: later and Nick was deading. You know, I've been reading

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Speaker 1: online and I want to go back to the Good Samaritan.

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Speaker 1: While you're talking about I read a story, worry about

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Speaker 1: story about a mom named Kim Farreneck. She lost her

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Speaker 1: daughter Dana to a drug o d Now listen to

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Speaker 1: Dana what she is on the high school swim team,

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Speaker 1: a cheerleader in junior high and high school, her whole

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Speaker 1: life ahead of her. She got into a cycle of

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Speaker 1: addiction treatment relapse, addiction treatment relapse. She got her straight

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Speaker 1: out of one relapse and took her on a vacation

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Speaker 1: to Wildwood. And this is the part that broke my heart.

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Speaker 1: She says. I remember this trip like it was yesterday,

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Speaker 1: because for that week I felt like I had my

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Speaker 1: daughter back. But right after coming back home, she found

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Speaker 1: her daughter face down, cold in blue. She died of

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Speaker 1: an opioid overdose. She is pushing an laxon. Dr Maroney,

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Speaker 1: what is an Laxonlaxon is the generic name for one

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Speaker 1: of the brands, Narcan. It's been out for forty years.

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Speaker 1: Surgery and the emergency room have used the lock zone

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Speaker 1: as an injectable to reverse anesthesia and overdose in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: We need to change the model. We need to put

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Speaker 1: generic Nloxo or branded Narcan in every home in America

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Speaker 1: to prevent children, parents and spouses from dying. We have

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Speaker 1: to change that model. It must be in every house.

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Speaker 1: And this is so obvious because opioids have run rampant

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Speaker 1: and the translation to heroin is transparent. It's it's just

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Speaker 1: so easy. If you're taking high doses of opioids, it's

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Speaker 1: simple to crush them and check them or snort them.

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Speaker 1: And as soon as you do that, there's no difference

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Speaker 1: than heroin. So people make that transfer. And the only

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Speaker 1: way we're going to stop people from dying is putting

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Speaker 1: the lock zone or narcan in the homes. We have

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Speaker 1: to add to keep people with books and movies and videos.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wanna talk about the fact that Tim Ryan,

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Speaker 1: so often people get addicted or they try heroin or

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Speaker 1: for the first time because it's offered by a friend

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Speaker 1: that they know or a family member. That's that's how

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Speaker 1: they get into it. Tim, I I agree and with

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Speaker 1: with prescription pain pills. Fifty of the kids that get

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Speaker 1: started on pain pills get them from a family member

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Speaker 1: or a friend. So so Johnny on the track team

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Speaker 1: hurts his knee and dad says, well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I've got some Viking in from when I had my

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Speaker 1: back surgery. Take a few of these or these parents

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Speaker 1: are having unused prescriptions left in their medicine cabinets. Get

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Speaker 1: rid of them. Because Johnny comes over to cut your

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Speaker 1: lawn and says, hey, Nancy can I use your bathroom?

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Speaker 1: Sure you can, Johnny. He goes in. He's rifling through

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Speaker 1: your cabinet, taking all your unused prescription pain meds and

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Speaker 1: and Narcan is essential. But I want to take Narcan

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Speaker 1: a step further. It's a tool to save a life.

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Speaker 1: But what's happening. I just had a kid overdose Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: His mother called me. The paramedics came, they revived him,

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Speaker 1: he refused to go to the hospital, and they just left.

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Speaker 1: They didn't bring in any peer recovery supports specialists to

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Speaker 1: talk to this kid. Twelve hours later, he overdosed again.

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Speaker 1: See every time I overdosed. As soon as I got clarity,

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Speaker 1: I was out of the hospital. I would like to

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Speaker 1: it is brought back by narcan through a paramedic or

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Speaker 1: they did not have that drug, they would be dead,

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Speaker 1: and we're letting them walk out of the hospital three

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Speaker 1: Mark Tait is a high profile lawyer actually suing the

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Speaker 1: drug companies. Mark take do you really think you've got

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Speaker 1: a chance. I think we have a chance because all

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Speaker 1: of the things that both Tim and Dr Maroney have

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Speaker 1: to handle all of the things that are doing on

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Speaker 1: their distributors. Those are the costs that we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and cities and states are bearing regarding every officer now

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Speaker 1: having to carry narcian, every first responder having to carry narcian,

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Speaker 1: all of these issues about overdoses. We have instances in

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Speaker 1: which counties have have had to expand their corners units

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Speaker 1: in order to house the bodies of overdose victims. In

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Speaker 1: places and counties that are fortunate enough to have their

678
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Speaker 1: own county public health systems, huge costs are being borne

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Speaker 1: by that taxpayers ultimately in order to essentially subsidize the

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Health and Purdue Pharma and Jansen Pharmaceutical, and all

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Speaker 1: of these companies are subjected to practices that are uniform

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Speaker 1: in the country, acts that are uniform in the country

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Speaker 1: Controlled Substances Act and Pharmaceutical Practices Act. But the issue

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Speaker 1: is and what we will overcome because of finally, community

686
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Speaker 1: is tired of bearing costs? Is what happened to the

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Speaker 1: first lawsuit you filed to Fulton County. One of the

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Speaker 1: company forced Fulton County to dismiss their first lawsuit. Fulton

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Speaker 1: County finally said, no, we're spending too much money taking

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Speaker 1: care of overdosing people and outfitting our task force task

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Speaker 1: force and indigent burials that we're going to refile, and

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Speaker 1: that lawsuit is now pending again. And they're not the

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Speaker 1: only one, Nanasa, So that's certainly a fine. How do

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Speaker 1: you do that the government is spending too much money

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Speaker 1: on indigent burials because of overdoses. In other words, so

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Speaker 1: many people are oding. They don't have enough money to

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Speaker 1: pay for their burials. Yes, yes, and yes and no.

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Speaker 1: And is that the true crux of the problem. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you an example, Nancy in Barnstable

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Speaker 1: over in Cape Cod Barnstable Jail, when they release their

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Speaker 1: inmates who are addicts, they are now providing them with

704
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Speaker 1: vivitral injections. It's an an abuse in this into required therapy.

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Speaker 1: And these inmates, even though they've served their time and

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Speaker 1: have been released and their drug addicts, they are now

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Speaker 1: giving them VIVIOTL. Vivotal is not cheap twelve hundred fifteen

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Speaker 1: hundred bucks in injection. I'm sure the jail is getting

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Speaker 1: a break on the cost. I don't know about that,

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Speaker 1: but it's expensive. So this is one community that's taking

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Speaker 1: their uh people who are coming out of jails who

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Speaker 1: flip side, people who are taking Vivotal have last I've

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Speaker 1: talked to them where they said, yeah, but we can

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Speaker 1: just use another substitute drug or use some alcohol, and

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Speaker 1: we know how to plan it out just to make

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Speaker 1: it under the wire of pretending that we're clean and

718
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Speaker 1: sober when they're not. So it's a double edged sword there.

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Speaker 1: And as far as varying UH, you know, indigent people

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Speaker 1: and so forth, a lot of the communities UM in

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Speaker 1: the lawsuits, I'm sure that's just take law firm. They

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Speaker 1: want the communities want to recoup the cost that they're

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Speaker 1: spending extra on emergency services and e er and e

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Speaker 1: er costs. So it's I don't think that's you don't

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Speaker 1: think what's why what? But I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the community saying about indigence indigent deaths is one

727
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Speaker 1: reason why they cannot invest in UH diversion programs. I

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Speaker 1: think what they're saying is that they're following the lawsuit

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Speaker 1: Tim Ryan A and Ees Dopeman, I'm following up on

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Speaker 1: the people I worked with when I was prosecuting what

734
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Speaker 1: you have to do to break free of this? And

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Speaker 1: one thing is U no alcohol, no smoking, nothing, Well,

736
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Speaker 1: why is it so important that you break ties with

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Speaker 1: old friends? Change your phone number, no alcohol, smoking nothing,

738
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Speaker 1: Admit your mistakes and go to KNARC on its anonymous meetings.

739
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Speaker 1: Why are those steps so important? Because you have to

740
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Speaker 1: understand what the big misconception families have is I sent

741
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Speaker 1: my loved one to treatment. A the average opiate addict

742
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Speaker 1: goes to treatment six times. So if we and that's

743
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Speaker 1: why you know I'm with rehab dot Com. I work

744
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Speaker 1: for a treatment center because I want people to come

745
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Speaker 1: once and and hopefully grasp everything but getting away the substances.

746
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Speaker 1: You gotta work with the underlining trauma. But then living

747
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Speaker 1: recovery is a whole different gamut. We need people going

748
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Speaker 1: into long term, structured sober living communities. They have to

749
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Speaker 1: learn to put recovery first. Maybe in five years clean

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Speaker 1: and sober, I still attend four twelve step meetings a week.

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Speaker 1: I still have a sponsor, and I always sponsor at

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Speaker 1: least one person. My job, my speaking events right in

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Speaker 1: the book, everything else I do is my career. My

754
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Speaker 1: recovery is a complete lifestyle. You need to change people,

755
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Speaker 1: places and things. And I'll go back to my son

756
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Speaker 1: Nick that died. We always had great insurance. We I

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Speaker 1: didn't know I could send my son out of state

758
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Speaker 1: and put him in a long term ninety day program.

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Speaker 1: He would do three weeks, he's out the door to

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Speaker 1: the same people, places and things. His chances of success

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Speaker 1: were swimmed in none. In hindsight, I would have done

762
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Speaker 1: things totally different, Um, and that's what I'm trying to

763
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Speaker 1: do now. But you mean, what would you have done differently,

764
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Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, I would have got Nick on a plane

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Speaker 1: and I would send him down to Florida in a minute,

766
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Speaker 1: or send him to a long term treatment program like

767
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Speaker 1: my program, Transformation Treatment Center, which is my employer. I

768
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Speaker 1: can put someone in there with good insurance on a

769
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Speaker 1: ninety day structured program and it's gender specific. He could

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Speaker 1: do twelve sep bates. He can do Christian bas Well.

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Speaker 1: I noticed the same thing Tim, that when people would

772
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Speaker 1: get out of jail, they just go back because I

773
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Speaker 1: guess they don't know what else to do. They just

774
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Speaker 1: go back to the same people they knew before, and

775
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: history repeats itself. But I want to ask to keep

776
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Speaker 1: about the other issues. Why is it so important that

777
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Speaker 1: you don't have any alcohol, smoking, nothing. Why the addicts

778
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Speaker 1: say that while you have to understand, once you've went

779
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Speaker 1: into the opiate world, there's no going back. So you

780
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Speaker 1: get people that, UM get on vivatral and they might

781
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Speaker 1: not have the cravings for opiates, but that's another tool.

782
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: You still need to be loving, living recovery. But if

783
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Speaker 1: I go back to smoking some weed drinking, I will

784
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: ultimately go back to my drug of choice. If you

785
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Speaker 1: sober up a horse seek, what do you have? You

786
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: have a sober thief. So you need to teach that

787
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Speaker 1: person how to live life without altering their mind. And

788
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: what I asked people is what's so wrong with you

789
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Speaker 1: that you need to be altered? You need to get

790
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: to the underlining clauses and conditions. Um And I looked

791
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: at my life and I had a lot of trauma.

792
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: I was adopted. I had an older brother that was

793
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Speaker 1: a narcissist and beat me up all the time. I

794
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: had learning disabilities. I was molested by a female baby

795
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Speaker 1: center at twelve. Boom. There's all my trauma that was

796
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: never dealt with. Drugs and alcohol became my solution. Why

797
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Speaker 1: is it? Tim Ryan with A and E's Dopeman Also

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Speaker 1: with me, William Dr William Moroney, author of American Narcan

799
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Speaker 1: mark Tate, high profile lawyers suing drug companies, and investigative

800
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Speaker 1: reporter for crime stories. Ninette Sosa. Why is it so important,

801
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Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, that you change your phone number and break

802
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: ties with all of your older friends. That's hard to do, Tim, Well,

803
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Speaker 1: it is. And I'm gonna go back to the people

804
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Speaker 1: in prison or or county jails. Here's the problem. You

805
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Speaker 1: take me an opiate addict or an addict in general,

806
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Speaker 1: and lock me in jail for two years, give me

807
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Speaker 1: no tools, no resources, and release me within thirty days.

808
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be back to use. And that's what we do.

809
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: Where creatures a habit in our institutions, we meet need

810
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Speaker 1: more twelve step based, Christian based smart recovery, refuge recovery

811
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Speaker 1: therapeutic communities within the jail. We need drug pods so

812
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Speaker 1: people can start working on themselves why they're incarcerated, and

813
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Speaker 1: we need wrap around services for when they're getting out.

814
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: The one key factor that people don't have is jobs.

815
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: They can't get a job because they're a felon. Now, um,

816
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Speaker 1: they might not have graduated high school and they have

817
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Speaker 1: no opportunity. They have nothing to look forward to, and

818
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: they go back to what they know. But you've got

819
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Speaker 1: to change every aspect of your life. Of the people

820
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Speaker 1: I associate with our in recovery. I have no business

821
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Speaker 1: being around people that I don't go hang out at bars,

822
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Speaker 1: I don't go to parties. I just have no business

823
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Speaker 1: doing it. But it took me a long time to

824
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Speaker 1: want to change that. And you don't have to go

825
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Speaker 1: to the depths I went to at forty four years old,

826
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Speaker 1: getting sentenced to seven years in prison. And I want

827
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Speaker 1: families to know. And I'm not doing it to plug

828
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Speaker 1: my book, but if you've got a family member struggling,

829
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Speaker 1: go to Amazon get my book A Man in Recovery

830
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Speaker 1: From Dope to Hope by Kim Ryan, and you will

831
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Speaker 1: understand why that person does what they do because I

832
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Speaker 1: explain everything in there, and it's a tool for people

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Speaker 1: getting sober and active addiction or family members that have

834
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Speaker 1: a loved one strong one. I want to point out

835
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Speaker 1: the statistic that Dr William Moroney first told me, author

836
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Speaker 1: of American Narkin. Drug overdoses into last year killed more

837
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Speaker 1: Americans then the entire wars in Vietnam and Iraq. The

838
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Speaker 1: opioid epidemic last year killed more Americans then the entire

839
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Speaker 1: wars in Vietnam and Iraq. I want to take this

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Speaker 1: moment and thank our partner for making our program possible today,

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Speaker 1: it's super Beats. Well, if you're like me, you don't

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843
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you this. When I gave birth

844
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Speaker 1: to the twins and got blood clots in my lungs,

845
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Speaker 1: that made me think about circulation. So you really should

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Speaker 1: think about it. And here's why. Good circulation is crucial

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