Speaker 1: Okay. Next week I have Caitlin Bristow on Rewives, but
Speaker 1: I also wanted to do a quick rerant with her
Speaker 1: because I am getting very involved in what's going on
Speaker 1: in Hollywood with the strike, and it made me realize
Speaker 1: that we need a reality strike and a reality check.
Speaker 1: But the first time I'm going to have a guest
Speaker 1: on a rerant because there's something going on in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry that is relevant and I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone's talking about this, but I want to talk about
Speaker 1: it and I want to introduce it as a topic.
Speaker 1: But this is Caitlin. What season were you on of
Speaker 1: You've been on like the Best ofs and the rehashes,
Speaker 1: and so you were on The Bachelor or the Bachelorette first?
Speaker 1: Which one?
Speaker 2: So I was season nineteen of the Bachelor and then
Speaker 2: season eleven Bachelorette, and then I hosted two seasons a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: So you started late when it already was like sort
Speaker 1: of a produced show and some kinks were ironed out,
Speaker 1: people were making some money. Are you will had to
Speaker 1: say how much money you made doing it?
Speaker 2: I have talked about that. So I hired an entertainment lawyer,
Speaker 2: and I negotiated because I wanted to make as much
Speaker 2: as the man made, so I said, you pay me
Speaker 2: what you paid your last Bachelor, and I got close.
Speaker 2: So I think they paid the last bachelor before me
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand, and I negotiated up to
Speaker 2: one hundred, which I think they originally wanted to pay
Speaker 2: me sixty.
Speaker 1: So your first season, you were offered to be paid
Speaker 1: sixty and you ended up making one hundred for the
Speaker 1: whole season. Nothing extra, right, not actually, because you went
Speaker 1: long like that. Okay, so you made nothing as a contestant,
Speaker 1: but this is as the lead. As the lead, you
Speaker 1: made nothing as a contestant, So what about later as
Speaker 1: in other jobs? Was it always around that amount or
Speaker 1: was it way more later?
Speaker 2: It was, well, when they brought us back, so as
Speaker 2: we know, Chris Harrison left and so they had Tasha
Speaker 2: and myself come in, and they didn't want to pay
Speaker 2: us host roles, so we were labeled as special guests
Speaker 2: and mentors, but really we were hosting, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: as much money.
Speaker 1: So the most you've ever made in the Bachelor franchise
Speaker 1: is one hundred thousand dollars for how many episodes of
Speaker 1: a season eleven, so you were making less than ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars an episode. Okay, how many people were watching
Speaker 1: this show? I think my finale had six million Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: So just to give you guys the highest you know,
Speaker 1: Housewives premiere like probably ever what or finale would have
Speaker 1: been like a Atlanta like three point seven million or
Speaker 1: maybe high er like someone was getting four million, and
Speaker 1: that's astronomical. So you guys know, like Crappy Lake just
Speaker 1: aired on Bravo, we got five five hundred thousand viewers,
Speaker 1: like some Housewives shows get several hundred thousand viewers now,
Speaker 1: And that doesn't include what the demo is, which could
Speaker 1: be like eighty thousand, so forget that. And then what
Speaker 1: about all the impressions. It's got to be million, tens
Speaker 1: of millions the overall franchise, billions of dollars in impressions
Speaker 1: and in advertising dollars. Okay, So that to me feels
Speaker 1: like it's an exploitation, and no one is talking this
Speaker 1: is what I want to talk about it. No one
Speaker 1: is talking about reality stars being exploited. There's a massive
Speaker 1: strike in the entertainment industry right now, and everybody's talking
Speaker 1: about actors, performers being exploited and residuals is a big conversation.
Speaker 1: So someone who's on a television show and for years
Speaker 1: that's used and they don't make any more money, and
Speaker 1: because of streaming, they're getting paid, but they're getting paid
Speaker 1: and then they don't get residuals because of streamers. I
Speaker 1: don't know why no one in the reality teav space
Speaker 1: has discussed this. So on my first season of Housewives,
Speaker 1: I made seven two hundred and fifty dollars for an
Speaker 1: entire season. I don't know what it was with the reunion,
Speaker 1: but let's pretend it was twelve episodes, eight to twelve episodes. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I made pennies for being on the Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: It is still used today. You can go on Peacock
Speaker 1: and still watch and online and on YouTube you can
Speaker 1: still watch me. On the first season of Housewives, I
Speaker 1: was made two hundred and fifty dollars. So why is
Speaker 1: no one talking about reality talent getting residuals. Why is
Speaker 1: this whole industry only talking about paid actors. Because we've
Speaker 1: always been the losers of the entertainment industry. We've always
Speaker 1: been the pariahs and frowned upon and not respected by
Speaker 1: real actors they think't think we're losers, and we're on
Speaker 1: more television than they are entertaining, if more people than
Speaker 1: they are in many cases, if you're talking about six
Speaker 1: million frickin viewers. So is anyone talking about this in
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry?
Speaker 2: That's so interesting that you say that, because I had
Speaker 2: Kristin Cavalaria on my podcast not too long ago, and
Speaker 2: she is doing like rewatching the Hills and doing podcasts
Speaker 2: about it, and she was like, yeah, I just saw
Speaker 2: all these seasons of the Hills and Laguna Beach are
Speaker 2: back on. And I was like, oh, are you making
Speaker 2: you get paid for that? And she was like no,
Speaker 2: And I started thinking about that same thing. But that
Speaker 2: was really as far as I took the conversation. I
Speaker 2: was just like, Wow, that's weird. But then I think
Speaker 2: of people like Sarah Hyland, who did how many seasons
Speaker 2: of Modern Modern Family, and she's you know, supporting the
Speaker 2: strike and everything, but now she's doing reality television where
Speaker 2: she's hosting Love Island, So I wonder if she would
Speaker 2: have a new perspective on that. Doing reality TV.
Speaker 1: Fascinating, So I'm here to say that, like, I want
Speaker 1: to be part of this conversation, this slightly hypocritical conversation,
Speaker 1: that it's the biggest thing happening in the entertainment industry,
Speaker 1: and ironically, the ones benefiting right now are people in
Speaker 1: reality TV because they don't have to be on lockdown, shutdown.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be our way of like trying
Speaker 1: to shake change out of the couch because actors can't
Speaker 1: work right now for god knows how long. But what
Speaker 1: the hell? Reality stars are the bulk of entertainment right now.
Speaker 1: We're not making any residuals. So I would like to
Speaker 1: be the face and the voice of that effort, and
Speaker 1: I probably could get far. So that's my re rerant.
Speaker 1: But like reality starts reality, yeah, reality, but the stars
Speaker 1: should be getting residuals too, and I don't I can't
Speaker 1: believe no one's saying anything. So I am here to
Speaker 1: say reality stars should be getting residuals too. And I
Speaker 1: thought about it this morning, I thought about it yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm definitely going live with this.
Speaker 2: It's because, like you said, all of them think of
Speaker 2: us as these losers and the bottom of the barrel. People.
Speaker 2: That's probably why.
Speaker 1: I know exactly the actress is in my mind, who's
Speaker 1: a very real, famous, very high paid actress. And I
Speaker 1: remember hearing that she was like pooh poohing reality stars.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get into this and figure out how
Speaker 1: to how we can get paid residuals too. It's absolute
Speaker 1: bullshit and we should shut down. We should stop shooting
Speaker 1: reality And I wonder if it's retroactive, if like actors
Speaker 1: right now are saying, I want the residuals I never
Speaker 1: got from all these years ago, or if it's just
Speaker 1: starting now because I could have a windfall of cash,
Speaker 1: Like all the Housewives should shut down and not shoot
Speaker 1: until they get all the money for all the episodes
Speaker 1: still being aired where they should be taken off the
Speaker 1: actually take it off, the god take it off the
Speaker 1: goddamn air, because I'm not getting paid for it. So
Speaker 1: because it's not like we're not working hard for that.
Speaker 2: It's not like we're not putting in all of the
Speaker 2: hours and time the same way that actors. Of course
Speaker 2: we don't have the skill that actors do, but we
Speaker 2: still have our own talent in our own ways. And
Speaker 2: you obviously business owners just because where reality starts. Doesn't
Speaker 2: mean we don't have other things going for us that
Speaker 2: we're working hard for.
Speaker 1: Wait, not even a question. We're entertaining. We're providing entertainment value.
Speaker 1: That's an asset. And right now I could tell you
Speaker 1: that if a paparazzi wants to use your if I
Speaker 1: want to use a picture that paparazzi took, I have
Speaker 1: to pay for it. Okay, yes, if someone wants to
Speaker 1: use my name and likeness to promote a Miss Scarra,
Speaker 1: they have to pay me to use my name and likeness.
Speaker 1: Why are all these we signed away? Our name and
Speaker 1: likeness is not knowing that this would go on for
Speaker 1: the end of time and it's not right. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk to the powers that be about this and
Speaker 1: see what I've got going for myself. So I'll include
Speaker 1: you and let you know. But it's total bullshit and
Speaker 1: we should be have our own union or alignment or
Speaker 1: alliance that says, no, we're fucking stopping, and I want
Speaker 1: to find out See if you can figure we have
Speaker 1: to figure out who's shooting now. You got to go
Speaker 1: with like what productions are up and shooting now? And
Speaker 1: I bet you we could get a lot done. I
Speaker 1: could start just with Bravo. I could start small. I
Speaker 1: could be like, anybody shooting a Bravo show right now
Speaker 1: should shut down and stop shooting until we get paid
Speaker 1: for the residuals from years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna message Rob Mills at ABC and we're gonna
Speaker 2: get going on this.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's let's get organized before you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like, okay, so let's try to do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do with ABC and Bravo. So start small with
Speaker 1: ABC and Bravo. That like, just go look around and
Speaker 1: see what is being Oh you mean you're gonna find
Speaker 1: out who's shooting right now? Now? You're telling him this
Speaker 1: whole thing right now. Oh yeah, okay, so go find
Speaker 1: out what is currently in production right now. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to find out what's currently in production for Bravo
Speaker 1: right now, because unless I'm missing a blind spot and
Speaker 1: this is not a good point, this is brilliant all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into brilliantly. Okay, thank you awesome.
Speaker 1: So that was my rant and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: bring you along.
Speaker 2: I love your rents. I'm I feel honored that I
Speaker 2: just got to come along on a rent with you, like.
Speaker 1: An original idea in real time. So amazing.