1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Okay. Next week I have Caitlin Bristow on Rewives, but 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I also wanted to do a quick rerant with her 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: because I am getting very involved in what's going on 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: in Hollywood with the strike, and it made me realize 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: that we need a reality strike and a reality check. 6 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: But the first time I'm going to have a guest 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: on a rerant because there's something going on in the 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: entertainment industry that is relevant and I don't know if 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: anyone's talking about this, but I want to talk about 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: it and I want to introduce it as a topic. 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: But this is Caitlin. What season were you on of 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: You've been on like the Best ofs and the rehashes, 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: and so you were on The Bachelor or the Bachelorette first? 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: Which one? 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: So I was season nineteen of the Bachelor and then 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: season eleven Bachelorette, and then I hosted two seasons a 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: couple of years ago. 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: So you started late when it already was like sort 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: of a produced show and some kinks were ironed out, 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: people were making some money. Are you will had to 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: say how much money you made doing it? 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: I have talked about that. So I hired an entertainment lawyer, 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: and I negotiated because I wanted to make as much 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: as the man made, so I said, you pay me 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: what you paid your last Bachelor, and I got close. 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: So I think they paid the last bachelor before me 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand, and I negotiated up to 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: one hundred, which I think they originally wanted to pay 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: me sixty. 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: So your first season, you were offered to be paid 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: sixty and you ended up making one hundred for the 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: whole season. Nothing extra, right, not actually, because you went 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: long like that. Okay, so you made nothing as a contestant, 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: but this is as the lead. As the lead, you 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: made nothing as a contestant, So what about later as 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: in other jobs? Was it always around that amount or 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: was it way more later? 38 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: It was, well, when they brought us back, so as 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: we know, Chris Harrison left and so they had Tasha 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: and myself come in, and they didn't want to pay 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: us host roles, so we were labeled as special guests 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: and mentors, but really we were hosting, so it wasn't 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: as much money. 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: So the most you've ever made in the Bachelor franchise 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: is one hundred thousand dollars for how many episodes of 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: a season eleven, so you were making less than ten 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars an episode. Okay, how many people were watching 48 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: this show? I think my finale had six million Jesus Christ. 49 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: So just to give you guys the highest you know, 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: Housewives premiere like probably ever what or finale would have 51 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: been like a Atlanta like three point seven million or 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: maybe high er like someone was getting four million, and 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: that's astronomical. So you guys know, like Crappy Lake just 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: aired on Bravo, we got five five hundred thousand viewers, 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: like some Housewives shows get several hundred thousand viewers now, 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: And that doesn't include what the demo is, which could 57 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: be like eighty thousand, so forget that. And then what 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: about all the impressions. It's got to be million, tens 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: of millions the overall franchise, billions of dollars in impressions 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: and in advertising dollars. Okay, So that to me feels 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: like it's an exploitation, and no one is talking this 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: is what I want to talk about it. No one 63 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: is talking about reality stars being exploited. There's a massive 64 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: strike in the entertainment industry right now, and everybody's talking 65 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: about actors, performers being exploited and residuals is a big conversation. 66 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: So someone who's on a television show and for years 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: that's used and they don't make any more money, and 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: because of streaming, they're getting paid, but they're getting paid 69 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: and then they don't get residuals because of streamers. I 70 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: don't know why no one in the reality teav space 71 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: has discussed this. So on my first season of Housewives, 72 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: I made seven two hundred and fifty dollars for an 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: entire season. I don't know what it was with the reunion, 74 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: but let's pretend it was twelve episodes, eight to twelve episodes. Okay, 75 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: So I made pennies for being on the Real Housewives. 76 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: It is still used today. You can go on Peacock 77 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and still watch and online and on YouTube you can 78 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: still watch me. On the first season of Housewives, I 79 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: was made two hundred and fifty dollars. So why is 80 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: no one talking about reality talent getting residuals. Why is 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: this whole industry only talking about paid actors. Because we've 82 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: always been the losers of the entertainment industry. We've always 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: been the pariahs and frowned upon and not respected by 84 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: real actors they think't think we're losers, and we're on 85 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: more television than they are entertaining, if more people than 86 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: they are in many cases, if you're talking about six 87 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: million frickin viewers. So is anyone talking about this in 88 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry? 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: That's so interesting that you say that, because I had 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: Kristin Cavalaria on my podcast not too long ago, and 91 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: she is doing like rewatching the Hills and doing podcasts 92 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: about it, and she was like, yeah, I just saw 93 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: all these seasons of the Hills and Laguna Beach are 94 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: back on. And I was like, oh, are you making 95 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: you get paid for that? And she was like no, 96 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: And I started thinking about that same thing. But that 97 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: was really as far as I took the conversation. I 98 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: was just like, Wow, that's weird. But then I think 99 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: of people like Sarah Hyland, who did how many seasons 100 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: of Modern Modern Family, and she's you know, supporting the 101 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: strike and everything, but now she's doing reality television where 102 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: she's hosting Love Island, So I wonder if she would 103 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: have a new perspective on that. Doing reality TV. 104 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: Fascinating, So I'm here to say that, like, I want 105 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: to be part of this conversation, this slightly hypocritical conversation, 106 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: that it's the biggest thing happening in the entertainment industry, 107 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: and ironically, the ones benefiting right now are people in 108 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: reality TV because they don't have to be on lockdown, shutdown. 109 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: So that's going to be our way of like trying 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: to shake change out of the couch because actors can't 111 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: work right now for god knows how long. But what 112 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: the hell? Reality stars are the bulk of entertainment right now. 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: We're not making any residuals. So I would like to 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: be the face and the voice of that effort, and 115 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: I probably could get far. So that's my re rerant. 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: But like reality starts reality, yeah, reality, but the stars 117 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: should be getting residuals too, and I don't I can't 118 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: believe no one's saying anything. So I am here to 119 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: say reality stars should be getting residuals too. And I 120 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: thought about it this morning, I thought about it yesterday, 121 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm definitely going live with this. 122 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: It's because, like you said, all of them think of 123 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: us as these losers and the bottom of the barrel. People. 124 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: That's probably why. 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: I know exactly the actress is in my mind, who's 126 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: a very real, famous, very high paid actress. And I 127 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: remember hearing that she was like pooh poohing reality stars. 128 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get into this and figure out how 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: to how we can get paid residuals too. It's absolute 130 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: bullshit and we should shut down. We should stop shooting 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: reality And I wonder if it's retroactive, if like actors 132 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: right now are saying, I want the residuals I never 133 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: got from all these years ago, or if it's just 134 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: starting now because I could have a windfall of cash, 135 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: Like all the Housewives should shut down and not shoot 136 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: until they get all the money for all the episodes 137 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: still being aired where they should be taken off the 138 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: actually take it off, the god take it off the 139 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: goddamn air, because I'm not getting paid for it. So 140 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: because it's not like we're not working hard for that. 141 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: It's not like we're not putting in all of the 142 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: hours and time the same way that actors. Of course 143 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: we don't have the skill that actors do, but we 144 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: still have our own talent in our own ways. And 145 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: you obviously business owners just because where reality starts. Doesn't 146 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: mean we don't have other things going for us that 147 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: we're working hard for. 148 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: Wait, not even a question. We're entertaining. We're providing entertainment value. 149 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: That's an asset. And right now I could tell you 150 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: that if a paparazzi wants to use your if I 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: want to use a picture that paparazzi took, I have 152 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: to pay for it. Okay, yes, if someone wants to 153 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: use my name and likeness to promote a Miss Scarra, 154 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: they have to pay me to use my name and likeness. 155 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: Why are all these we signed away? Our name and 156 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: likeness is not knowing that this would go on for 157 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the end of time and it's not right. So I'm 158 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: gonna talk to the powers that be about this and 159 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: see what I've got going for myself. So I'll include 160 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you and let you know. But it's total bullshit and 161 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: we should be have our own union or alignment or 162 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: alliance that says, no, we're fucking stopping, and I want 163 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: to find out See if you can figure we have 164 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: to figure out who's shooting now. You got to go 165 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: with like what productions are up and shooting now? And 166 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: I bet you we could get a lot done. I 167 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: could start just with Bravo. I could start small. I 168 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: could be like, anybody shooting a Bravo show right now 169 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: should shut down and stop shooting until we get paid 170 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: for the residuals from years ago. 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna message Rob Mills at ABC and we're gonna 172 00:08:59,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: get going on this. 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Well, let's let's let's get organized before you know what 174 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: I mean, like, okay, so let's try to do it. 175 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Let's do with ABC and Bravo. So start small with 176 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: ABC and Bravo. That like, just go look around and 177 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: see what is being Oh you mean you're gonna find 178 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 1: out who's shooting right now? Now? You're telling him this 179 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: whole thing right now. Oh yeah, okay, so go find 180 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: out what is currently in production right now. And I'm 181 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: going to find out what's currently in production for Bravo 182 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: right now, because unless I'm missing a blind spot and 183 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: this is not a good point, this is brilliant all right, 184 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to get into brilliantly. Okay, thank you awesome. 185 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: So that was my rant and I just wanted to 186 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: bring you along. 187 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: I love your rents. I'm I feel honored that I 188 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: just got to come along on a rent with you, like. 189 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: An original idea in real time. So amazing.