WEBVTT - 7 Minutes in Heaven

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<v Speaker 1>Hell. I suck at Dating with the Ungler and Dared

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<v Speaker 1>Haven and I heard radio podcast What's Up Everyone, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to a new week of help. I suck at Dating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm currently lounge John and couch at Kalin's apartment. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna follow a seapack with of the episode because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so comfortable with Jared and I were just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how it's the comfortable comfortable couch on the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the earth. Well, I'm pretty sure Tanner and Jade have

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<v Speaker 1>that same couch and it is fantastic. I'm currently in

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<v Speaker 1>my mother in law's bedroom, so things are going pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well for me. Why did you move out of the

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<v Speaker 1>office today? Uh? Because the mic was set up here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's pretty this is this is the this in

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<v Speaker 1>the office of the best WiFi spots, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>actually just likes recording her podcast in here, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't gonna move the equipment, so here I am. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that uncomfortable. It's a spacious room. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>room even actually sleeping. No, no, this is my mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law's room. She sleeps here with alone because my

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<v Speaker 1>father in law's quarantine still in the basement because he

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<v Speaker 1>works at the hospital. Uh, you find it. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>find it awkward at all to be in your mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law's bedroom. I did it first, but now being

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<v Speaker 1>quarantined to the house forever two months, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>all that uncomfortable. Fine, do you feel more or less

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable that the bed is not made right now? I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm pretty indifferent about it. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I feel any worse or better. There's something about an

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<v Speaker 1>unmade bed when you walk into the room that you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>someone slept right there. And then when the bed is made,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, okay, like this is a new it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fresh new palette, a new canvas. Just feels a

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<v Speaker 1>little less invasive. I think if you walk into a

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<v Speaker 1>room that's got a made bed, you know, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's my that's one man's opinion. Interesting. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've really put too much thought into it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you said you were pretty tired, but you're also

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<v Speaker 1>tired today because you posted on your Instagram that you

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<v Speaker 1>woke up at four thirty in the morning to go golfing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I take it off at five forty six am today

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<v Speaker 1>for early seat time. I ever, why why not schedule

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<v Speaker 1>a tea time for eleven fifteen in the morning. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. One of my buddies too I've been playing

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<v Speaker 1>golf with lately, said hey, this is the only tea

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<v Speaker 1>time they have available. Do you want to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, well, I mean I got nothing

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<v Speaker 1>else to do, so sure, golf is like the first

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<v Speaker 1>sports I can part take in with my leg, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I want to kind of be doing it often.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean I figured I could just get around

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<v Speaker 1>and before I could cut came home and podcasting with

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. So it's actually kind of a nice I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we were the first team out or a first group out,

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<v Speaker 1>so we didn't have to wait for anyone. We finished

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<v Speaker 1>around in under three hours. You know, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>might start teaming off more often. So you're saying it

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<v Speaker 1>was worth it. It was worth team being the first

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<v Speaker 1>people of tea off. It was worth waking up at

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<v Speaker 1>four thirty in the morning, I will say with my

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<v Speaker 1>alarment off at four three in the morning, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way I'm going to get out of bed

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<v Speaker 1>and go golfing. And then I like, I snoozed it right.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that I had snoozed my alarm, but in reality,

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<v Speaker 1>I turned it off, and so I rolled over at

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<v Speaker 1>like four eight, and I was like, wait, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>so long since my alarm went off, I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>miss the tea time now. I realized that I still

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<v Speaker 1>at times, so I woke up. You're probably just delusional

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<v Speaker 1>because it's four thirty in the morning. You're hallutening. Gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was worth Yesterday when I got home from running

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<v Speaker 1>into some errands, I ordered a full Domino's pizza with pepperoni,

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<v Speaker 1>sausage and extra halapanos, and I just smothed the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing in ranch uh and I ate the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>in one sitting, literally in twenty minutes. I ate this

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<v Speaker 1>entire pizza that was just covered and all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so my my stomach hasn't been feeling well. So

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up that like one am. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>good thirty minutes in the bathroom. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure I had up time this morning

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<v Speaker 1>to probably at the bathroom again before I left. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's been you know, it's been an eventful of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours for me. How has Cavin felt about the

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<v Speaker 1>past twenty four hours. Did you wake her up this

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<v Speaker 1>morning she was awake. Yeah. I think I accidentally nudged

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<v Speaker 1>here when I woke up. If I woke up at

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<v Speaker 1>four thirty in the morning to go golfing and woke

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<v Speaker 1>up Ashley, she'd stab me in my sleep. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure she wasn't pleased. She's just how was it going golfing?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you feel uncomfortable at all? Because now things are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to open up a little bit. Yeah, so the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the golf courses are set up, at least

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that I've been to, it's all you're in

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<v Speaker 1>your own car, you wear a mask the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't touch the flagstick. You know, you the ball

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go all the way in, so you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still pretty contactless in terms of being around people, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, it's not any It's probably slightly

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<v Speaker 1>less safe obviously than like staying at home because you're

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing anyone on your home, but it's still it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the safer activities in my opinion, that you

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<v Speaker 1>could be doing. I don't really feel weird doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could see the argument being made against it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, that's just what seems to be happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are slowly opening up. You know, golf, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>golfing for two weeks now. It seems like, uh, there

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<v Speaker 1>was just a NASCAR races past weekend. It was like golf, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days ago. Tom Brady practiced with a

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<v Speaker 1>few members of his Tampa Bay Buccaneers today, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge step because Florida is starting to reopen, and

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<v Speaker 1>even like I heard yesterday in New York, California, they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that starting in June, they're going to allow sports

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<v Speaker 1>teams just playing stadiums empty stadiums. But that's obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>huge step. Dude. I just need to step my toe

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<v Speaker 1>back into society. That's what's killing me right now, because

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<v Speaker 1>like the past two and a half months, I've just

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<v Speaker 1>had this mindset of stay home, don't don't be near

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<v Speaker 1>anybody because they all have coronavirus. And I really need

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<v Speaker 1>to get myself out of this mindset. Like yesterday, Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>and I went to go get a mcflury because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta have you gotta win some battles during COVID nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like, honestly, in my head, I was like Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good thing because I'm gonna go I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wear a mask. They'll be wearing a mask. Hit

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<v Speaker 1>my mic uh like go through the drive through, don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a panic attack. And yet still, like when the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was handing it to me, it was like this

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<v Speaker 1>moment of like, Okay, you're just gonna grab it. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. Everything's gonna work out.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I need to start doing more steps like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Which you get Eminem duh, dude, don't tell me you're

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<v Speaker 1>an oreo guy. Don't worry about flavor. Mcclur do you

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<v Speaker 1>like to get I've never had one. You've never had

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<v Speaker 1>a mcflurry? Are you? I guess not? You got that's

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, McDonald's gotta get. I was actually gonna

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, like, what really is a mcflurry? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>just like a milkshake? No? Yeah, it's probably three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>calories in a tiny cup, but it's the most delicious

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<v Speaker 1>thing ever. You've never had a mcflurry. It's vanilla ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream and then it's pretty much vanilla ice cream. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get either Eminem's in it or you can get

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<v Speaker 1>oreos in it. If you're weird, eminem is a way

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<v Speaker 1>to go. It's not just vanilla ice cream. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of special secret sauce that McDonald's does to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's McDonald's so that it's like vanilla ice cream on steroids,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, exactly. I think ice cream is the

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<v Speaker 1>worst dessert you can ever partake in terms of flavor

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<v Speaker 1>or what just health wise. No, it's just like ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream melts, so you really only have like two minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy that dessert, so you're inhaling it, so you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really get to enjoy it, and then by the

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<v Speaker 1>time you finish it, you're like, I still need more,

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<v Speaker 1>So then you eat like a whole carton and then

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<v Speaker 1>you never feel good about yourself because you ate it

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<v Speaker 1>in like five minutes because it was melting all over

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<v Speaker 1>you and I was getting messy. And then you if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in your car, then you leave your thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the car and then it's just like a puddle of milk.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, grab a cookie and be happy with

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<v Speaker 1>your life your ice cream in a car person foremost, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell are you doing with your life? Tori?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm a big. I'm with you, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big ice cream guy. Dan. Are you more

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<v Speaker 1>of an Oreo or M and M mcflury guy? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an Oreo mcflurry guy, like every sain American. Why why

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<v Speaker 1>do you choose Oreo over M and m's Because oreos

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<v Speaker 1>just in general are of a much better flavor than

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<v Speaker 1>M and m's. I also don't like how the M

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<v Speaker 1>and m's like they lose their color when they sit

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<v Speaker 1>in the ice cream for too long? Do you you

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<v Speaker 1>bite into them? So I'm I was saying a little

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<v Speaker 1>little too hard. And then they also are like your

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<v Speaker 1>eye on the inside. It just doesn't It's just not

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<v Speaker 1>a good experience. All right, Well we agree to disagree anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>should we get into like, oh, I don't know dating

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<v Speaker 1>topics or what a problem we have? Any dating topics

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<v Speaker 1>we want to talk about? Say we have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things, Well, Tori has one that she really wants

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Well, I only send a run down

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<v Speaker 1>the night before, and I read the rundown. I was

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<v Speaker 1>leading Jared into answering the question for the listeners out

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<v Speaker 1>there that haven't read the rundown. Obviously, I've read the

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<v Speaker 1>rundown We're gonna talk about Kate and Mary Kate Olsen

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband who are getting a divorce and she's

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<v Speaker 1>got an iron clad prenuptial agreement with him. And would

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<v Speaker 1>you ever ask someone to sign a preduptual agreement? Jared?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ask Ashley de sign a prenuptial agreement? Alright?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't never ask you if I didn't read the rundown

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Tori, Okay, I think you just read it

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. Well, he read the headline, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not totally. Dean's a headline reader. He's that guy

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<v Speaker 1>who like reads a headline on Twitter and then Regord

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<v Speaker 1>his hates that, like being like, oh, you know what else,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he says the headline click bait where you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>is that true? I did see the head ofline. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Kay Olson has an ironclad preen up, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think reading that headline is enough for me to

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<v Speaker 1>not have to read that article. Yeah, so I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>a rundown and then you guys can go off into

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<v Speaker 1>the questions about this. But Mary Kay Olsen and her

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<v Speaker 1>husband Pierre Olive Olivierer, I don't know if that's how

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<v Speaker 1>you say it. Star Cozy are splitting up, and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Kate's prenup is iron clad and basically he like

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<v Speaker 1>kicked her out of apartment and all this stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Olson has an estimate net worth of five d

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<v Speaker 1>million between them, so she's like, obviously, yes, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a pre nup um and I would just like to know.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start from the beginning, Ashley Olson. Gosh, Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Kay Olson and her ex have a seventeen year age gap,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's fifty years old and then that makes her

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<v Speaker 1>what thirty? Yeah? Three? Um, have you or would you

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<v Speaker 1>ever date older? Yes? I think you'll be challenging you

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<v Speaker 1>to date someone seventeen years older, But I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>have dated Yeah, well Dean, you're year old. I really

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<v Speaker 1>dating myself on that one. So you so, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were single and you weren't with Kalen, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to date someone seventeen years older than you,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be dating someone who's forty six. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>you could do that? Ah? Man, dude, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually that's a tough one. My brother used to date

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who was probably twenty plus years older than

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<v Speaker 1>him and they had a great relationship. I think It

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<v Speaker 1>all depends on what your goals are, like kids, family planning,

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<v Speaker 1>because that really comes into factor when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about age. But I could definitely, I I could

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<v Speaker 1>definitely date someone older. When I was in my like

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<v Speaker 1>early to mid twenties, I found it incredibly sexy someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's in like their mid to late thirties. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what's funny about that, too, is you found that sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I bet you when you were dating them, they

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<v Speaker 1>found you like, uh, you're like like your spirit uplifting

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<v Speaker 1>and not creepy, but like they're probably, Oh he's young,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like fun and you know this this energetic guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and like they you guys liked each other for the

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<v Speaker 1>same reasons in a way, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys love older girls. I mean, why do you like

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<v Speaker 1>not to go down this path? But like, Mills are

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<v Speaker 1>a very search a man in his twenties? Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I haven't in Google search. Please you? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you were a fan of Mills. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I'm familiar with the category. Well, let's put it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Gardner is forty eight years old. Dean, could you

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<v Speaker 1>ever date or marry Jennifer Gardner money aside. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's really fair to characterize celebrities into that because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Gardner, like Rachel Anne, Jennifer Aniston. What did I say,

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Aniston? Her name I'm friends was Rachel. Yeah. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are like forever young in a sense, and they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>like they're gonna beautiful until the day they die when

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<v Speaker 1>they're ninet, you know what I mean, Just like men

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<v Speaker 1>like Brad Pitt, like Tory, you're twenty four, You could

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<v Speaker 1>date Brad Pitt even though he's like sixty eight, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I couldn't, though, really, So hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling me that if Brad Pitt slid into your

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<v Speaker 1>d M s and said, hey, let's go grab dinner

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday night, you'd say no, I would go to dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't marry him. So what if he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a second day? And what if he was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a really good time. I could see this

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<v Speaker 1>going somewhere. I would date him, but I could not

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<v Speaker 1>marry him. Like you could easily say you date you

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<v Speaker 1>could date somebody older, for sure, but I couldn't never

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<v Speaker 1>marry someone older because could you imagine like being, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go watch the Super Bowl? What my friend's house,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like bringing him he would be so unentertained

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<v Speaker 1>by our conversation or my life where I was at

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<v Speaker 1>that point compared to him. If you wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Pitt to my super Bowl party, I would take

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<v Speaker 1>that with open arms. I guess the other reservation with

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<v Speaker 1>an ah gap that large is like he's gonna die

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna be thirty five and a widow. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be kind of a bummer. But with most age gaps,

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<v Speaker 1>like we see, I'm just trying to think practically here.

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<v Speaker 1>With Mary Kay, it's like, you know, she's seventeen years

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<v Speaker 1>Younger women typically outlive men, so she would be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say the guy lives to be eighty, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good life. She would be sixty three, And then it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does she wanted? She doesn't want to be single

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty three. That's that's kind of like the worst situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Do you view it differently if a man

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<v Speaker 1>dates a younger girl versus a woman dating a younger guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a few differently, least by society, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy is dating a younger girl. Sometimes I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>like more expected and it depends how young you go,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could be kind of Stevie. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree for some reason in my head when a got

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<v Speaker 1>older guy, DA's a younger girl, I'm like, uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then yet if an older girl dates a younger guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, good for her. Yeah, Exactly why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder? I have no idea. I think probably because

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<v Speaker 1>as a guy, I just know a guy's mentality, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you're just going for the young hot girl.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not leave for the emotional connection. Yeah, where a girl,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, an older woman, it's like going after someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's keeping her young. And I'm like, you know, good

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<v Speaker 1>for you girl. You know you go. I'm probably wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but for some reason that's immediately where my head goes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, though I agree with you, whether it's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>or right, I'm in the same camp, so hopefully it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think a guy who dates younger, especially like

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<v Speaker 1>ten years or younger, can never have ever starts out

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<v Speaker 1>with pure intentions in dating that person? Of course, how

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<v Speaker 1>long are these two married for? That's the radiation. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me look that up, wasn't it a while? I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like that's true, I guess, And the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>was willing to sign a prenup means he probably had

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good intentions even going into the marriage. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I see Tory's point. I feel like, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>let's say your thirty five and you meet a girl

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<v Speaker 1>who's twenty one, I don't think that you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this girl is going to be my wife. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking like, wow, that girl is young and hot

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<v Speaker 1>and I haven't eat seen one of those in a while. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what if you're like forty eight and she's thirty one?

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine? I think I agree. I view that differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Dating in your twenties is always just like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things where it's like, Okay, what's gonna happen? Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of especially in your early twenties, right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always just a crapshoot, like are people seriously dating? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you just dating to get onto the next part of

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<v Speaker 1>your life? It? But then once you get into your thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more serious. I don't know, but that's with that's

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<v Speaker 1>with like, I feel like everybody in their early twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or early to mid twenties. Whether you're dating

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's also in their early in mid twenties or

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<v Speaker 1>you're dating someone older, it's always that question of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how serious can they take it? Uh? And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's wrong or right, because I also think there

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<v Speaker 1>are people in their early to mid twenties that can

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<v Speaker 1>settle down early and can be in a relationship. You

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<v Speaker 1>here all the time about high school sweethearts, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>very sweet. But from my own personal opinion, I do

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<v Speaker 1>think it's probably better to get married later in life

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<v Speaker 1>and to experience individuality early on. Let me ask you this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty nine, klyn is twenty five. Does that make

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<v Speaker 1>me skivie? What a creep? Four years feels twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>in a month? Okay? I think so for for one

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<v Speaker 1>more month, it's a little skibi. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's at skibi. I don't think there's that much of

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<v Speaker 1>an age difference. Plus your your your personality. Dude, you're

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty five. I don't know if I could take

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<v Speaker 1>this compliment or not. It's funny. There was this kid

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<v Speaker 1>when I was probably when I was getting my skyde

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<v Speaker 1>I've licensed. There was this. Uh, this kid was with us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like YouTube kid, and he was I think nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Uh. And after a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>of like hanging out and getting our licenses, he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>how old are you? I think it was like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven at the time. He goes, oh, that's so much

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<v Speaker 1>older than I thought you were. I thought you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like twenty one. I go, why because I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>so mature, and he goes, no, just because the way

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<v Speaker 1>that you act like you're kind of an idiot. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like I get where we're coming from, though, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So to jump into the next part of this, So

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<v Speaker 1>they were married for five years and prior to getting married,

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<v Speaker 1>they signed a prenup. What are your thoughts on prenups?

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<v Speaker 1>I could be honest, I don't know exactly what a

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<v Speaker 1>pre nump is, which makes which answers the question if

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<v Speaker 1>I've signed a prenup or not. I'm assuming that that

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<v Speaker 1>means if we ever get divorced, my stuff is my stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>your stuff is your stuff. So it's a prenuptial agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's anything you guys figure out with your assets

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<v Speaker 1>or um. It can even go down to your dog

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<v Speaker 1>and like who your dog goes to if you ever

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<v Speaker 1>got a divorce, So everything is just it's an agreement

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<v Speaker 1>that you make prior to your marriage, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>make it legal with a lawyer. You guys both sign it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that way, if you ever did divorce, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys kind of disperse it the way you agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>it in the beginning. Whenever I think of a prenuptial agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think of that episode of Seinfeld where George

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to have Susan break up with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry was like, you know, asked her to sign a

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<v Speaker 1>prenump and then she'll leave you. And then he asked

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<v Speaker 1>her and she laughed in his face and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have way more stuff than you. Yeah, sure I'll

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<v Speaker 1>sign it. Uh yeah, of course, I'm totally down for

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<v Speaker 1>signing a prenump. Why not? Why? I guess why are

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<v Speaker 1>people against it? You think because it sets a bad uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like sets a bad vibe already in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage. I think it kind of it's a bad tone.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the only time at the answer. There are

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of times when they get signed or form many

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<v Speaker 1>different reasons, but I think the main reason is when

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<v Speaker 1>there's a large discrepancy in the earning the earners. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that girl makes a lot more than the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like in this case, and it's like such

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<v Speaker 1>a big difference that she's like, I'm just gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna protect my assets here by doing this if

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<v Speaker 1>anything were to go south. I think what the bad

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<v Speaker 1>thing about it is, It's like, by signing a prenuptial agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically admitting to the idea that divorce is a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, But I feel like, does anybody really

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<v Speaker 1>think divorces a how do I phrase this? Nobody thinks

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting divorce when they get married, but I it's

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<v Speaker 1>it happens all the time. I do think the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that things will never change it might be a little naive.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm I'm not against signing a prenup right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's like the logical way to look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people, I mean, you do say

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<v Speaker 1>till death do us part, So you're kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>against that by saying, in the event that instead of

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<v Speaker 1>death doing this part, we just want to part on

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<v Speaker 1>our own terms. I want to make sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>have my money. I think that's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>underlying issue with it all. It's like, hey, I want

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<v Speaker 1>I love you and I want to get married to you,

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<v Speaker 1>but also if it doesn't work out between us, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure I keep on my money. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I personally wouldn't mind. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't mind signing a prenup. I Uh, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to put myself in that situation, obviously, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even see it. You know, I don't necessarily where my

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<v Speaker 1>life is going. But I don't see why I would

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<v Speaker 1>have any issue signing a prenup. Here here's a question

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Do you think that the person who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to sign a prenup should get married in the first place, Because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, if you're taking if you're willing to

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<v Speaker 1>take a vow saying to to death till a part,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you say that I've said it, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember it. To death till death do us part, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you till death do us part. Wow. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>little while actually, in like seven months. Um, but if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody is willing to say that and then right around

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<v Speaker 1>this time saying wow in case it doesn't work out,

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<v Speaker 1>we should sign a prenup. Do you think that person

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<v Speaker 1>should get married? It's a great point, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it's it's something even it's something worth talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with what you're thinking where it's like, why

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<v Speaker 1>are they getting married if they even have an inkling

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<v Speaker 1>or a possibility that it doesn't work out like they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. But like I said, it's like, why do

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<v Speaker 1>anything I don't know? I well, let's let's think about

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<v Speaker 1>it like this for a minute. Okay, there's two scenarios

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of popped up in my head. Obviously, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't go in expecting to divorce when you sign a prenup.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a chance that someone could cheat. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you're in a marriage and you're so happy

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<v Speaker 1>and then a guy cheats, decides to leave you, and

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<v Speaker 1>then your left or you know, girl cheats and decides

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<v Speaker 1>just about to say, well, like whoever has Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>like you're married to someone and she cheats on you,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's like the breadwinner of the house, So now

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<v Speaker 1>you're having to adjust your whole lifestyle beca has your

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<v Speaker 1>spouse selfishly decided to leave and now you didn't sign

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<v Speaker 1>a prenup or anything. So they're like, sorry, I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>in love with this younger stallion and leaves and hop

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<v Speaker 1>ships and now you're like, okay, well I have two

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<v Speaker 1>kids beneath me that now I have to provide for,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, there's child support. But what would you do

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<v Speaker 1>in that scenario? You know that that kind of can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I would do in that scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess when you were saying that, my mind started

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<v Speaker 1>drifting off and thinking about what would happen if you

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<v Speaker 1>made if you were the person that was being supported

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<v Speaker 1>in the marriage, the other person cheated, the bread earner

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote cheated, and then you wanted to get a divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>but you had a prenup sign. So by divorcing that person,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're basically just making yourself broke again. Then what

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<v Speaker 1>do you to do? That's like, I don't know. Situation

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.359
<v Speaker 1>into marriage is just stupid. No one should ever get married.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Nashley aside, They're going to be the last marriage

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<v Speaker 1>of all time because people you start paying married all together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I sometimes do, Yeah, so you're sometimes married.

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just getting no. I agree, like listen at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day. How I honestly feel about it

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<v Speaker 1>is I think that it's okay to sign a prenup.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's okay too possibly be aware that things

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<v Speaker 1>might change down the road, that you guys might get divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>as horrible as it is to even think about early

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<v Speaker 1>in the stages of marriage, you know, I'm always the

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<v Speaker 1>type of person that says, just, you know, prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>the worst. That's it. Like, hopefully it never comes to that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it ever does, like Tori said, God forbid

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<v Speaker 1>something awful happened within your relationship, at least you're somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for it. So that's my advice. I know we're

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping it, but I would love to know, Jared, why

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<v Speaker 1>you did not sign a prenup or did you and

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<v Speaker 1>actually ever have a conversation about it. We we I

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<v Speaker 1>remember we were talking about it jokingly at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think we ever seriously um talked about it,

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>which we probably should because once we started, even once

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.880
<v Speaker 1>we really started dating, once we got engaged, we started

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of combining our money. Um, and uh, I'm I'm

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.159
<v Speaker 1>saying that's right or wrong. I know a lot of

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:17.120
<v Speaker 1>couples who uh Lauren married couples to still have separate

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>bank accounts. Um, but we just decided to kind of

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>like lumps up our money and then move forward together.

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>So I guess in that aspect, we probably should sign

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it pre up. I'm pretty sure though, if I asked

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<v Speaker 1>Hashley to sign it right up, I don't know how

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 1>should react. If I seriously asked her, you know what

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>we should do? Maybe I should secretly record her while

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I asked the question, and I'm a hundred percent serious

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and see what her true reaction would be

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<v Speaker 1>and then just post it the help I second dating Instagram.

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be the exact same castanza moment. She makes

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>more money than you, she does, so she probably laughed

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<v Speaker 1>in my face. Yea, give me the papers off sign them. Yeah, exactly.

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 1>My company's name is actually Mr Ashley I Incorporated. So

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<v Speaker 1>that just tells you my life it's more wanted than

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:01.880
<v Speaker 1>me too, So it would be the exact same situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Wait, so let me ask you just just

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 1>a question that's kind of a tangential. So you don't

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>have your own bank account anymore, you guys, just every money,

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>every dollar you make, it's put into a collective pool.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me sorry, we do have separate bank accounts, but

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 1>we have like she knows what's in mind and I

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>know what's hers. So technically we don't have a joint

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 1>bank account. We're not that advanced. I don't think you

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and Kalin do, right, You guys have just joint phone bills,

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>phone plans. Now we have a joint bank account. Yeah, really,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you told me this before. Yes, because then you

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.719
<v Speaker 1>guys put in money for like future vacations and travels

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Yeah, and uh, like for instance,

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>catal in it and I will do like an ad

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<v Speaker 1>for like dog food or something like that. What we

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>agreed on was all of that money goes into the

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>joint bank account. And like, so Pappy got his teeth

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<v Speaker 1>removed a couple of weeks ago. That surgery was like

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand dollars. Neither of us really paid for that.

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>We just used the money that we made for his

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, branded post on Instagram for that teeth removal surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>How is Pappy doing after the teeth and removal? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, he's a puppy again, dude. He's readingtting some spunk,

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>all those quirkiness is back. He's just running around. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the happy slottle dude over it's the best. And his tongue,

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>his tongue limps out of his mouth sometimes too, and

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>he's length laying down. It's the funniest thing in the world.

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine that, you guys almost didn't keep that dog? Yeah,

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean I could. Calen couldn't imagine that. Calen is

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<v Speaker 1>so attached to that dog. And I mean rightfully, so,

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>he's the cutest dog I've ever seen in my life.

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>But they definitely have a bit more special of a

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>bond than him and I do. I'm just like, I'm

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>just like he's like, I'm just like, that's a cute

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>little dog, and he's like, hey, that's like a fun

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Harry dude to like pet me every once in a while.

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>But in reality they're like the mom and son. Yeah,

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>he's a MoMA's boy. He's a MoMA's boyf that's adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>How are the dogs over there doing. They're doing fine,

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:56.479
<v Speaker 1>They're doing great. Lowis is going to be depressed when

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<v Speaker 1>we get out of here. She's got a huge backyard here,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>she's got a friend in neth. She's loving life. She

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>goes on walks multiple times a day. I mean, we

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>take her own walks, but the backyard is all the

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>difference in the world. She gets to run around, she

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>has another dog. There's everybody's home constantly. There's always somebody home.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>So when she when we go back to the apartment

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and we have to leave her alone, she's gonna freak

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's quite sad. I feel bad for her. Um,

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>But we do have to take a little break. We

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 1>do have some very special guests coming up. So Dean

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and I are gonna play a little game of seven

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>minutes in heaven. No, we're not gonna be in the

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>closet together, even though that could be fun too, um,

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>but we're we're gonna be able to talk about things

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that we want to talk about for seven minutes. And

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I have a guest coming on the podcast. I don't

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>know what. Tory and Dean are doing something back and

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>forth while I'm trying to be professional here, trying to

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>be a pro jer You're so good. These seven minutes

0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>are so heavenly, Dean. I gotta be honest, if I

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<v Speaker 1>was on a closet with you, I'd probably only last

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>about two and a half. Come on, there, he is there,

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.199
<v Speaker 1>he is uh, but we have a special guest coming up.

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 1>He is one of my probably my favorite author of

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>all time, Ben Meseric. He's the author of Bitcoin Billionaires

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>The Accidental Billionaires, which was the book that Aaron Sorkin

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>adapted his screenplay for The Social Network off of. He

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>also wrote Bringing Down the House, which was made into

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the movie twenty one, which was obviously a huge cess.

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Ben Mesicks coming on the podcast. I'm super super excited

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to talk to him. Ask him many questions. He has

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a new novella serialized story on the Boston Globe called

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>The Mechanic that is out right now that you guys

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>can all read. But he's gonna be coming up shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after the break. Dean, what are you gonna be talking

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>about for your seven minutes in Heaven? I don't freaking know, Jared,

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>but I'll tell you what. You don't want to miss it,

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 1>So sticking around after this break and we'll dive right

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>into our four teen minutes in Heaven. All right, we

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>are back with more help. I suck at dating. And

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>just before we went to break, Jared had mentioned that

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>this week we're trying something new. We are both going

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to partake in our seven minutes in Heaven and what

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that means, because it's a weird idea. I think that

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Tory act tore you thought of this idea, right, Oh,

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I wish it was Amy Sugarman. It was Amy Sugarman,

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>your Amy. We love her. She's fantastic and talented and

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>is very gifted and the things that she does so

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it employs us. So yes, thank you for the paychecks. Um,

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>So what the idea is behind this? Essentially, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about something we're interested in for seven minutes,

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and the essence of the seven minutes in Heaven is

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>these are things that we like and so we're gonna

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoy talking about them for seven minutes. The challenging thing

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<v Speaker 1>from my perspective is I don't I like a lot

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of things. I don't love a lot of things. I

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>don't have very many passions. I've got a lot of interests,

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and so it's like when I talked about this in

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>our group chat, it's it's when you're in high school

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>or college and the teacher says, I want you to

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>write a ten page essay and they don't give you

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>something to write about, and then you're racking your brain

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure out what you're supposed to write about,

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and you just can't figure that part out. And so

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been racking my brain NonStop since we decided we

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>were gonna do the seven minutes in Heaven bit, which

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I think partly is Jared's fault, because he has this

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>great guest who is going to be coming up in

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:45.719
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and Jared and we found a way

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>to work that into this podcast, and then that put

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the pressure on me to then think of something to

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>talk about for seven minutes. And by the way, I

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>started the timer at the top of this whole monologue

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and we're already a minute and a half in, so

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I step in. I was gonna stay all right ready,

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to set my seven minutes. Dean. You're the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite of me where I don't have that. I mean,

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I have interest, but I don't have that many. But

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the things that I am interested in I'm very passionate about.

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>So I could speak a lot. As you guys have

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 1>known from my Rob Thomas tom Brady, you you are

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>interested in less things, but you put more into those

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>fewer things that you're interested in. I'm a simple mind, really,

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's great. With the simple mind who needs

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>some thing. I think the thing that I wanted to

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about during the seven minutes and by the way,

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>we only have just under five minutes left. Six minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for a long time, especially coming

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>after the show, coming coming off of the show the

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<v Speaker 1>first time and really realizing that my life was going

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to change pretty greatly. Uh, and in essence kind of

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>hit like a lottery ticket, right. I thought about how

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I was going to take a year off of work

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and I was going to pursue the thing that I

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>found over that year as my passion and my purpose.

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>And a year came and a year went, and I

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't any closer to having that passion or purpose understood.

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 1>And I was always, you know, anxious and stressed out

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>about the idea that I wasn't sure what I was doing,

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and I was kind of aimlessly moving through this thing

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that we call life in a in a directionless state,

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't going anywhere. While I still am that

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>person and I still am doing that thing. Ah, what

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I've came to realize is that there are a lot

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of people that are like that, and that I think

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that we should start as a society kind of preaching

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>that that is an okay thing for us to be

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>doing and that uh sometimes it takes lack of direction

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and lack of uh not like lack of passions. But

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you learn a lot about yourself in those moments

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>where you don't necessarily know what you're doing. So for me,

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>for instance, like I said, you know, I used to

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>be a recruiter with a great company here in Los Angeles.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>But once I realized, I guess I didn't have to

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>do that quote unquote for the paycheck. I stopped doing

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>that because it wasn't my passion and so then I

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>started doing other things. But for a while I was

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 1>just doing stupid things like parting with my friends on

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>the weekends and I don't know, going on golfing trips

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>with my friends. While I still do enjoy golf, I

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>don't think that was ever. Remember, it's like kind of

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>like a means doing it. I'm like golf, I'm not

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna be on the tour. I'm not gonna be a

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>tour player at any point in my life. So I

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily like pursuing my purpose in life in that sense.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>So what I started doing was just doing the things

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>that I always thought of about myself. So I started

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>rock climbing more, which is, uh, you know, I'm not

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>saying I'm passionate about rock climbing, but something I really

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>enjoy I like to do a few big trips a year.

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I started, obviously, skydiving, got my license with that, and

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that's something that I've wanted to do ever since I

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was a kid, but I am not passionate about it,

0:33:56.080 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>even though I do thoroughly enjoy it. I started photography

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot more, which you know, I really enjoyed that,

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't say I'm passionate about it either. I

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>started traveling a lot more, while I'm I guess that's

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>probably my passion is travel. But even like in this

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>amidst this whole coronavirus shut down, as much as I

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>missed travel and I yearned to be traveling, I'm like

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>perfectly okay, just like sitting on the couch all day.

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>So do I consider travel a passion? I don't know.

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm being too harsh on myself, but my point

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>is I want to I guess normalize the idea that

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 1>just because you're not like fulfilling your life's purpose in

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>this moment doesn't mean that you won't eventually find it. Like,

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty one years old and I have every ounce

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>of possibility at my fingertips, but I still haven't found

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>out exactly what I need to be doing or should

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>be doing, and what I'm working towards, you know, And like,

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>while that's terrifying because I feel like I might be

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>wasting my time and my breath, it's still kind of

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>nice knowing that I'm not in it alone and there

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>are millions and millions and millions of other people out

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 1>there as well. So that's kind of like my long

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>winded way of saying, just because you don't know what

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>you're doing, or where you're going, or what you're working

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>for or towards, it doesn't mean that you're doing something wrong.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 1>It just means that that's gonna come later in life,

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.919
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. And so now as I'm five minutes

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and fifty seconds into my seven minutes in heaven, but

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:22.760
<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, before I get to the seven minute market,

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 1>no one lasts seven minutes. Seven minutes is in heaven

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>in reality is more like two minutes in heaven, especially

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 1>for high schoolers. So I just wanted to make that clear.

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>I wanted last seconds. Uh. And so that's my launch

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>feel of I don't have these things that I'm super

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 1>passionate about. While I have my interests in my hobbies

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and of course my relationship with all these things, I

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>don't have like this one. I don't have my Rob Tomns.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't have my Tom Brady. I don't have those

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>things where I would like, you know, eat, sleep, breathe, bleed,

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and die for because I just think that that's kind

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of my personality is I just don't care deeply about

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you would. And that's fantastic, and I'm

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.399
<v Speaker 1>envious envious that you care to because that you care

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>so much about things like that, because I sometimes struggled too,

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think that sometimes it's actually kind of a

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 1>bad thing for me to just be like so nonchalant

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and blase about almost everything in my life. I would

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 1>say like nine point nine, if not a dred percent

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of the things in my life I kind of just

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>don't really care about, which is not really the best

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>way to be moving through life. So I'm envious of

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>your ability to um focus on those passions and interests

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>so greatly, but I also want we should be so

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 1>hard on you. But I guess my I certainly don't

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 1>think you should be my purpose, my purpose of this

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, as I've said earlier in it, as well

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>as to tell the people out there that might be

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>listening to this that if they are on a kind

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>of more on my side of things rather than yours,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that it's an okay thing to be doing, because it's

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>not your responsibility to have it figured out by any

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>set of time. It's just, you know, keep focusing on

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 1>the things that you're interested in, and maybe one day

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 1>you'll develop a passion for it, which I'm hoping for myself.

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I and I want to ask you a question about that.

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 1>And also I don't want you to think, or anybody

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to think just because I have passions about things that

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I have things figured out, because I have zero figured

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>out my friend uh as Ashley will attest to. But

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>my question for you is, and this is something that

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I kind of believe in, do you think life is

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>more about uh this grand overall scheme of finding your purpose?

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Or do you think it's just kind of a series

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>of moments that you collect and adds up to become

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I purpose, I personally think that's a collection

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>of moments and the randomness of us even being here

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>is enough of a reason for us to be content

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 1>with our existence itself. But I do, I do think

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>that there is a lot of pressure put on ourselves

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.800
<v Speaker 1>that we put on ourselves and the others put on ourselves.

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, Like it's got to be hard for uh,

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>like a business major or a communications major to go

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to school graduate and then ste their friends who are

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like nursing majors or doctors or lawyers or scientists, to

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>like have this unflinching passion for the thing that they

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>chose to focus on when they were eighteen. Because these

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>like broad degrees like business and communications. While they're fantastic

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and they take a lot of work, they don't necessarily

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>read the same I guess work ethic or like interest

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>in like things like sciences and mathematics and like those

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 1>types of things, you know what I mean. So it's like,

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>while comparing comparisons are always a bad thing, it's just

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 1>difficult to be like super okay with not necessarily knowing

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're doing, you know, but I and I

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>completely agree with you. But I would also say that

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>those people that make it look like they had everything

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 1>figured out and went to school for something they've always

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do, and you know, worked very hard and

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>now they're there, I firmly believe that at some point,

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 1>or probably still do, they've had doubts about what they've

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>been working hard towards. Is it worth it? Is this

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>something I want to do. I'm more passionate about that

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I should have done this. Everybody has doubts, you know,

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>everybody a second guess as themselves, and so if you're

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>second guessing yourself or you're unsure where you're headed or

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>what you've been doing, you're not alone. And that's okay.

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 1>And I completely agree with what you're saying. Thanks man,

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. So I hope you guys enjoyed my

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>seguments in Heaven. I loved it all, right, welcome back

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to help I suck at dating. We have a very

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>special guest who's on the line right now. He's one

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite authors of all time. He's the author

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>bringing Down The House Inside Story, The Six m I

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>t students who took down Vegas for millions, which was

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 1>course turned into the hit movie twenty one. He was

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>also the writer of The Accidental Billionaires, which was adapted

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>into My favorite movie all time to Social Network. He

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 1>wrote The Bitcoin Billionaires, one of my favorite books, and

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.280
<v Speaker 1>now he has a novella serialized story in the Boston

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Globe called The Mechanic Ben Meserric Ben, how are you doing, buddy?

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, awesome, thanks for having me. I'm

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a big fan of you guys as well, So this

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>is well to me. This is the closest I'll ever

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 1>get to being on any bachelor franchise, So this is good. Well,

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you've been married for thirteen years. It would be weird

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.800
<v Speaker 1>if it would. It would, but I don't think I

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.359
<v Speaker 1>was likely even before that, So it's it's nice, too

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>nice to be here. How long you've been a fan

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of show we have been watching? Um, I would think

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I was good friends with Andrew Firestone. So how far

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 1>back does that go? I mean somewhere in the Yeah,

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I met him. I was already a fan of the

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>show for probably three years, and then met him at

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Sundance and became friends with him. Um, so Yeah, it's

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>been a long time. I've been watching a Bachelor, Bachelorette,

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>all of the different variations. So yeah, it's awesome. Man,

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it's cool. It's great. It's great storytelling. You know, how,

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much is produced and how much

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>is real. I'm assuming a lot of it is produced.

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's the way they capture a story from beginning

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to end. Is is very novel like. So it's cool. Oh, totally,

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 1>it's very It's very real. As you can tell. Both

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Dean and myself are in relationships from it. But uh,

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, the producers are there for a reason. They

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>make a good television show. But then I wanted to

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Mechanic first, because that all twenty one

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.359
<v Speaker 1>chapters I believe are already out on the Boston website. Uh,

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>and so I've read it. It's an incredible story. It's

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like very uh da Vinci Code like National Treasure. Um.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 1>But tell us a little bit about the Mechanic and

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>why you decided to write a serialized story. And what

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is, as about two weeks ago

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>when this first came out, you released about two chapters

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 1>a day until the story was completed. Why did you.

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 1>So the Boston Globe came to me, you know, they're

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the big newspaper in Massachusetts, and they asked if, if

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would be willing to do this. It's

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>basically writing a book. In two weeks, you put out

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>a chapter, two a night, um, and the whole city

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and basically the whole Anybody who wants to go online

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and read it is a good giant book club. And

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it was also being published in the paper. So it

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 1>started on the cover of the Sunday Globe two weeks ago,

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>has run every day for two weeks and just ended

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>its run yesterday basically, but um, it's all there online.

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>So if you go to Boston Globe dot com you

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>can binge read just like a book. Um. And it

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 1>really it's like a National Treasure thriller takes place um

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>on the Freedom Trail and the streets of Boston, goes

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 1>back in history to the beginnings of America and American history. Um.

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>But it's I wanted to do it because we're all

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.839
<v Speaker 1>sick of all this crazy dark news, Like you pick

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 1>up the newspaper and it's just ugly story after ugly story,

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's nice to have a diversion. So anybody who

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 1>was interested in seeing something different in the newspaper was

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>able to read it. And it became this huge thing.

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it ended up being the most

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>read thing on the Boston Globe and it's become this

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>huge um book club basically. And it was a diversion

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>for me. Um. You know, I'm stuck at homes like

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody else's and this took my mind off of all

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the all the madness and uh. And it's been just

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a great experience. And I always wanted to write the

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Da Vinci Code. Um, So for me, it's a great

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 1>way of trying to write a thriller like that. Um.

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And it will be a series. I'm doing a sequel now. Yeah,

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>would become really into it. We sent it out and

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>we're getting all these offers today actually, so it will

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:09.959
<v Speaker 1>be a movie or a TV show of some sort,

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>um and hopefully become a big series. So we'll see

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>how it goes. Yeah, that's very exciting. Congratulations do you

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:19.439
<v Speaker 1>I gotta ask you about Bitcoin Billionaires because that's probably

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.240
<v Speaker 1>my favorite book that you've written, is that Bitcoin Billionaires

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is set up as a movie. Um, we haven't put

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.800
<v Speaker 1>out you know, are any official sort of news about

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>who is making it or what. But we were about

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to announce something when all of this craziness went down.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>So when Hollywood faws out a little bit, we're gonna

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.800
<v Speaker 1>make an announcement about that movie. But Bitcoin Billionaires, for

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:40.879
<v Speaker 1>people who don't know, is the story of the Winklevoss

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 1>twins and their rise um from being the bad guys

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>in the social network to who they are today, which

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>is there worth billions of dollars. They owned two hundred

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand bitcoin and a single bitcoin is now worth almost

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars, so they've got a couple of billion

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in bitcoin um and it makes you rethink who they

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 1>are because in the social network they were the big

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>dumb jocks who were rowing their way and you know,

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg was the evil nerd and that was the battle.

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>But the reality is is very different and now Mark

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg is kind of evil and the twins have become

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 1>these revolutionaries in this new form of money. So it's

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>a cool story, and we are going to make the

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 1>movie um as soon as everything you know gets back

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to filming. Yeah that's saying obviously. So you know, the

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>army would be awesome. You know, there's only a few

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>people out there who could play the Winklebox twins. Um.

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, you've got to be big and in shape,

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 1>but also really be able to come across as smart

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and and there's also the sort of I mean they're

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're the like Greek God's kind of I

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 1>mean they walk on yeah, and you're playing an army.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Army Hammer did it very very well, so we would

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>love to see Army doing it again, but it's gonna

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>depend on who the director is, what the script looks like,

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.839
<v Speaker 1>and Army. Since the Social Network has done so many

0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.280
<v Speaker 1>great films, Um, he's really grown into a great actors,

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>So I would love to see this. Um. But the

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>winkle Fire or not who you think they are. And

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what's cool about this story is they're

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>not the dumb jocks. You know, they're not just the

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>men of Harvard. These are guys who studied economics. There's

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 1>guys who speak five languages. Um, you know, their Olympic rowers,

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 1>so they have the ability to train and stuff like that.

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>But they're they're really smart guys. So it's it's a

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:25.319
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting sort of way of looking at them again. Now,

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.959
<v Speaker 1>what got me into your books was actually the social

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>network because for some reason I am fascinated with the

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:34.239
<v Speaker 1>entire story of Facebook. And so then after I saw

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie, I read your book and then that led

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:37.839
<v Speaker 1>me to bring you know, read Bringing Down the House

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and Bitcoin Billionaires, and now reading Straight Flus, which is

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I I love it. I'm about halfway through right now.

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>You write so many books about what I deem such

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>cool things, whether it be Bitcoin, technology, uh, Facebook, card counting?

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 1>What is it about those things that makes you want

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to write about? So I'm really into people who are

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of going against authority in one way of another,

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and not like criminals, you know, but people who are

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 1>using their brains or abilities to beat the system. That's

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>always the kind of story I look for. So people

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 1>who kind of think outside the box. They're not, you know,

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.319
<v Speaker 1>just getting a job and going forward, but they come

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>up with an idea like Facebook, or they find this

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>secret world like card counting and they hit Vegas and

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>made millions. Straight Flush is about a group of college

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 1>kids who figured out online game and they've created an

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>online poker site. Before you know today that's normal, but

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 1>back when they did it, this was a brand new thing.

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't necessarily legal, and they moved to Costa Rica

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>with their fraternity to try and create this thing. And

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I love these people are making millions of dollars a

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>day doing something crazy and a little shady sometimes, but

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the fun of it is the sort of adventure of

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of of changing the world, you know, just using your

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>brain or or some sort of skill set or something

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's just, you know, I live vicariously through

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 1>these characters, um, which you know, I want my readers

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 1>so do I, which is why I look. You can

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 1>dive inside and you know you were let's hit Vegas.

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:02.399
<v Speaker 1>But in real life, if I go hit Vegas, I'm

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna get clawber. But but when you read the book,

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see people who actually did it, and

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>these are all true stories, which is kind of what's

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>what's cool about them. So yeah, I get pitches, you know,

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 1>people just send me stories and I look through them

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and try and find characters who've really done something unreal,

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, and follow them around. Well, if you ever

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>want to write a book about two reality TV has beens,

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you got your people right there, you know. I I

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.879
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely a story in that. But hopefully you guys

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 1>don't end up in jail like doing when you take

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>down some big thing like Vegas. I'm gonna be there

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and follow that story for sure. But yeah, I mean,

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, you never know where the story is gonna

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>come from. Um, the Zuckerberg story. You know, when I

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 1>wrote that, it's two thousand and seven. Facebook was not

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 1>in all of our lives yet. It was really just

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.000
<v Speaker 1>getting started. But there was this crazy drama between Mark

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.359
<v Speaker 1>and Eduardo and the Winkleby twins. You couldn't invent those

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>guys if you wanted to. That whole scenario of them

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.240
<v Speaker 1>battling for something that became a multi billion dollar company.

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>It's it's really intense. Um. So you know that came

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere to me, and you never know where

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>these stories are gonna come from. Oh no, it's it's fascinating.

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, I love your book so much because

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I also live vicariously through your through your characters, because

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I would never have the balls to do those things,

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:16.840
<v Speaker 1>but I want to so badly, Like I want to

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>be the person like even like Zuckerberg early in the

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>days where like he just god, he was so focused

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 1>on getting Facebook to be this huge successful company, um

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and nothing was going to stop in his way. And

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I just envy that so much. And also a fun

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.839
<v Speaker 1>story about you is that you put yourself through these

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>weird scenarios, even I'm not saying on lawful scenarios, but

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 1>like I heard a story about you because you wanted

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.239
<v Speaker 1>to immerse yourself into what your characters went through. You

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 1>smuggled and you write it in the book and bringing

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>down the house, you smuggled like two hulls to the

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.320
<v Speaker 1>airport or something like that. Technically it's it's not illegal

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to move your own money through an airport. However, if

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you get caught by the T s A with a

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 1>couple hundred thousand dollars in an adult bag, it it

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>looks really bad and you will probably end up in

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>handcuffs at some point. So you know, to be a

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 1>to feel like I was in the story, I would

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 1>carry money with the M T. Black Jack team and

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you go through Usually you carry a lot of it

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 1>in chips because the T s A doesn't know that

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:17.319
<v Speaker 1>chips or money, you know, they just think you're going

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.359
<v Speaker 1>to a poker game or something. But you would wear

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.320
<v Speaker 1>velcro and this was you have to remember. Today's security

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>is a lot different than it was when I wrote

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Bringing Down the House. But you used to be able

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to wear money belts and you could put money in

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 1>your pant legs and you could you would carry money

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:32.440
<v Speaker 1>all over yourself, like the Michelin man and you go

0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to Vegas and you go to the bathroom and you

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>would trade money out from you know, under under the

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 1>stalls in the bathroom and things like that. So it's

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>like it's like method writing. You know, actors are method acting.

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm a method writer. So I dive inside whatever the

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>story is and uh and try and figure it out,

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, from the inside. Um, that's what's fun about writing.

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Writing itself is not fun, you know, sitting in a

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 1>room for eight hours a day for three months is

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the least fun you could possibly have. But researching the

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>stories and following these characters around, and you know, I

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>wrote Bringing Down the House in Vegas over fourteen days,

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>literally staying in a different casino every night with the

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:12.919
<v Speaker 1>M I. T. Black Check team, and you know, those

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>are experiences that really are just awesome as a writer

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to be able to have. So do you get writer's

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I never have writer's block, So a writer's block to

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.880
<v Speaker 1>me is, um, you're not writing the right thing often,

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>or or you started in the wrong place. Usually you

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 1>have to go backwards. I have all these tricks and

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:33.400
<v Speaker 1>systems and things like that to get around stalling. Um So,

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't have writer's block once I start a project.

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:40.280
<v Speaker 1>It's between projects. Often I'm searching for the right story.

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So months can go by when you're watching Stay by

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the Bell over and over again. But uh, but you know,

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>once you like figure out a story that really is

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 1>compelling and crazy, I dive in and I write it

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>like the you know, the Mechanic for instance, literally wrote

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:55.839
<v Speaker 1>in two weeks because it was we're putting chapters up

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 1>every night in the globe. So that kind of thing

0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 1>you can't install. You know, if you stall, all things

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna fall apart. And and so I write very quickly

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and there's no chance of that happening. It's about choosing

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the right story and finding the right characters and seeing yourself.

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm very cinematic, so I'm basically writing movies as books.

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Um So I actually sell the movie before I write

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the book. I write a fourteen page treatment. Um So

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it's basically I tell the story in fourteen pages. I

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 1>take it out to Hollywood. I landed some studios somewhere.

0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Then I write, then I sell the book, and then

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I write the book. So I already know when I'm

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 1>writing the book there's at least the potential of a movie.

0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:34.440
<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking of it with actors in mind. I'm

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>really writing the book thinking it through like that. Um,

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 1>and that makes it a lot more fun. I love

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 1>that because that's probably why I love your book so much,

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 1>because they are so dramatic and cinematic, and I as

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.399
<v Speaker 1>a movie buff, I I love it. So last question

0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:51.919
<v Speaker 1>before you go, Um, this is a dating podcast. You've

0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.520
<v Speaker 1>been married for thirteen years, so so tell us wait,

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 1>of course please, we'd love to hear from time. Yeah,

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 1>tiens here this is hi entity and uh, she's way

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 1>out of my lead. So it's as if I went

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>on the Bachelor and I won somehow by you hypnotism

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>or one of these little skill set um tiny and

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.439
<v Speaker 1>I we dated for a couple of years, a number

0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of years before we got married, and I was never great.

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys had a much easier high school

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 1>and college experience night and dating. I don't know. I

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 1>would be amazed. But I was never that good at it.

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Um and uh, but I was persistent. I think persistence

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>is the key, right yeah, uh, just yes, I mean,

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>as Ashley's husband, I could persistance is key. Um. But

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 1>my question for you guys before you go is just

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:47.799
<v Speaker 1>you have one piece of advice for the listeners out

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>there about how to keep a marriage going after third while,

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 1>how to keep the marriage going after years, separate bathrooms,

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:58.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean the whole thing. When I got married, and

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.720
<v Speaker 1>people say this to everyone gets married, you know, happy wife,

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 1>happy life. And the reality is the happier she is,

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the happier you will be. And so if you attempt

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to make yourself happy, it's never gonna work if she's

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:17.279
<v Speaker 1>not happy. So you really do have to make allowances

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 1>for that daily and uh, you know, it's like keeping

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 1>a plant happy, right, you gotta water every days. Great handbags,

0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it helps, it helps. But no, honestly, I think you

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.759
<v Speaker 1>need to pick the right person. I think that that

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.480
<v Speaker 1>is the key to this whole thing, like, um, you know,

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.399
<v Speaker 1>even if it takes too longer to get there. Um,

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm telling you to people on the Bachelor

0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>who have to do this in how many episodes. But

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the reality is rushing in isn't isn't necessarily the best answer.

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>It's it's finding that person who really works with you,

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and you have to be partners. So when you're dating someone,

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I think you should be thinking about if you're thinking

0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>long term, is this person going to be a partner?

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Like all the off is that I know are incredibly

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:05.400
<v Speaker 1>jealous of of what she does for my career. I

0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:07.960
<v Speaker 1>would be in sweatpants, sitting in a room twenty four

0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 1>hours a day and have never had the career that

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I had. Um Tanya is the one who makes sure

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that I'm out there and my book is out there.

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.320
<v Speaker 1>And so having a partner who is your secret weapon

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 1>is really key, both for women and for men. Think

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of that person as that's a partner. It's not someone

0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. There you have to be a pair and

0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>everything I think so it works for us, you know,

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's awesome advice and and and Ben and Tanya.

0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I I can't thank you enough for coming on the podcast.

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Re appreciate it U to all the listeners out there,

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:41.680
<v Speaker 1>go check out The Mechanic. It is currently on the

0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Boston Globe right now. You can subscribe. I subscribed. Uh,

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 1>it's four dollars for the whole month. So check out

0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the Mechanic. All twenty one chapters are on there right now.

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:54.320
<v Speaker 1>It's an incredible story, very national treasure esque. Um. And

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>then also check out Bitcoin Billionaires, which was you can

0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:00.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a sequel to The Accidental Billionaires about

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the Winklevoss twins getting into bitcoin very early. It's fascinating,

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.800
<v Speaker 1>especially in today's world, learning more and more about bitcoins.

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 1>So check those out. You can get that Amazon anywhere

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you buy books. Really. Um and Ben again, thanks, thank you.

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 1>You're fans, so I'm excited to be here. Thank you

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 1>very much. All Right, we're back from a break. Jared,

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.320
<v Speaker 1>how was that for you? Because you are obviously a

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>huge fan. I'm a big fan, so I admittedly have

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:33.680
<v Speaker 1>never read any of his books, but I'm a big

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:37.800
<v Speaker 1>fan of the movie Renditions obviously twenty one and Social

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Network are two huge movies. A fan of those. So

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:41.920
<v Speaker 1>what was it like for you to be able to

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.400
<v Speaker 1>talk to a guy that you, you know, I've admire

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 1>so much, Dude, it was awesome. He's super nice and

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of interviews with him and it's

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.840
<v Speaker 1>funny because the picture, like his author picture that's always

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:55.800
<v Speaker 1>on his book is like him with a leather jacket

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and glasses, and he's got like an interesting look to him,

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, is this guy like? What is this

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 1>guy like? And so it's so awesome meeting him and

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>just realizing that he's so down to earth and super

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>just like a normal du and uh, it's it's so

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:12.200
<v Speaker 1>funny that he's a Bachelor fan. You never know who

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 1>watches the freaking show, Like what a fan of somebody

0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that I've been a fan of for so long watches

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the show knows who I am, and like things like

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:22.520
<v Speaker 1>this are able to happen because of that, and it's

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.439
<v Speaker 1>freaking the coolest thing. Man. But like I remember watching

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>The Social Network. I watched it in Boston the weekend

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 1>it came out, and like, I wasn't into Facebook. I

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a big social media guy, and I was like,

0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I we'll see I walked to that theater and I

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>love that movie so much. Uh, And obviously read the

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.480
<v Speaker 1>accents of the Billionaires, which he wrote in The Bitcoin Billionaires,

0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 1>which is like somewhat of a sequel. I even I

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:47.200
<v Speaker 1>just recently read over this quarantine book called The Facebook Effect,

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:52.120
<v Speaker 1>which is literally marketed as the true story to the

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:55.880
<v Speaker 1>social network. Uh, with interviews from it's mostly like an

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.239
<v Speaker 1>interview from Mark Zuckerberg that this guy wrote about. But dude,

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.439
<v Speaker 1>it's it's fast. He's a great writer, and like he said,

0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 1>he writes everything cinematically, so it does feel very um

0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 1>uh dramatic while reading the book, which I love because

0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the stakes are high, and he writes about things that

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 1>are are in my mind the coolest things, like I said,

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>card counting and poker and and bitcoin and technology and

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.760
<v Speaker 1>social media things that I am captivated by. So it

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.800
<v Speaker 1>was it was cool, man, it was so cool. Like

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that dude, that dude right there wrote a book that

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Sorkin and David Fincher created a screenplay off of

0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and got nominated for Best Picture. Like that's to say,

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it's funny with it must be incredible to write a

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 1>book basically knowing that it's going to be made into

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a movie like he did Thick Bitcoin Billionaires. He's like, well,

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 1>there is nothing to announce yet, but there I wrote it.

0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh what does he say? Cinematically? And so it's basically

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 1>guaranteed to be made into a movie. Like, that's just

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty crazy thing I think about. That's awesome. But yeah,

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't about dating. So I apologized saw the

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 1>audience members all the listeners that it wasn't really that

0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 1>much about dating. But at the same time, it was

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 1>really cool and I hope everybody listened found it very

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>interesting and engaging and and something different. And sorry I

0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>went over seven that. Heavenly you had it last as

0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>long as you could. I can get it. Man, Hey,

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:18.840
<v Speaker 1>should we do it an email before we before we

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 1>say goodbye for this week? Yes, obviously, definitely, most certainly

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:26.400
<v Speaker 1>the best part. Please keep your emails coming. Okay, I

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.680
<v Speaker 1>love that enthusiasm. Atti you Well, this one kind of

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 1>sounds similar to what we talked about last week. Essentially,

0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 1>what's happened is this girl is dating a guy for

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:38.520
<v Speaker 1>they've been dating for one and a half years. It's

0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:43.520
<v Speaker 1>from Samantha. They're temporarily doing long distance, but her boyfriend

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>is a big surfer and once not too long ago,

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 1>while he was surfing, he met a girl who was

0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:52.080
<v Speaker 1>surfing by herself. She asked for his Instagram handle. She

0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:56.680
<v Speaker 1>then d m him uh later on and asked if

0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 1>he would like to go surfing with her. This guy

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the whole time has made clear that his a girlfriend.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 1>He even told his girlfriend who is our emailer, that

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, he met this girl who was just wanting

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to surf, and now she's sitting him up to surf again,

0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:15.280
<v Speaker 1>just them too. Um, her question is where And Samantha

0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:17.560
<v Speaker 1>said in the moment that it was fine for him

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to do this, to meet up with this girl to

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 1>surf with her. However, she's not sure how to feel

0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.520
<v Speaker 1>about it now, so she's asking us, Jared, do we

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:26.920
<v Speaker 1>think it's appropriate for someone in a relationship to hang

0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>with someone of the opposite sex alone? And on the

0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:31.840
<v Speaker 1>flip side of it, would it be appropriate for someone

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to tell their significant miller to hang out with someone

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of the opposite sex. So I guess to to kind

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>of put it all and together quickly, because we talked

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:42.440
<v Speaker 1>about this last week a little bit. But this is

0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a different situation because it's not like a friend who

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was kind of grandfather been before. It's it's someone that

0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they've met recently that's asking to hang out one on one.

0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:58.640
<v Speaker 1>What do you think about it? It's a great area. Uh.

0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I think what it comes down to is making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that You're significant other is friends with this person. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like the main the main purpose here what I'm getting behind. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, everybody says like, oh, Jared, you have a

1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>best friend that's a girl. I'm like, yeah, but her

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and Ashley now are like best friends and she sees

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<v Speaker 1>our dynamic and how it's brother and sister. Like, So

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<v Speaker 1>this significant other, Samantha needs to hang out with this

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<v Speaker 1>girl and the boyfriend at the same time. The boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>needs like overcompensate during the moment and be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always gonna have my arm around you. I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be holding your hand. I'm gonna show that like

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<v Speaker 1>I love you. You're the girl for me. This other

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<v Speaker 1>person is just a friend, and then maybe you can

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<v Speaker 1>start feeling comfortable about it. But until that happens, then

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I gotta say I disagree with you

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<v Speaker 1>on this one. So I think in the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>them hanging out, it's totally okay for them to do.

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<v Speaker 1>If every time they hang out there surfing, If it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come lord to my house and watch a movie, probably

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna fly. But if they met surfing, they have

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<v Speaker 1>a shared interest that is surfing it's better to surf

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<v Speaker 1>with a brand and then just to surf alone. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see the harm and like, hey, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go surfing with this person, Like okay. So, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I'm justifying it this way is because sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get d m s from girls with But it's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we get ms from girls, right, it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>well known fact that we're both in relationships. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people who are like interested in rock climbing or like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember after Paradise was done filming, this girl was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I live up in Seattle. If you ever up in

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<v Speaker 1>the area, let's go rock climbing or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm by myself and I want to go rock climbing,

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<v Speaker 1>like you need a partner to rock climb with. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna hang out with this person

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<v Speaker 1>in the rock climb, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you have like a shared interest in

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<v Speaker 1>this case it's surfing, in my case would be rock

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<v Speaker 1>climbing or scott diving or whatever it might be, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's totally okay. But I don't think that if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever Stamantha, if you ever hear your boyfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>say something like, Hey, this girl is gonna come over

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<v Speaker 1>and watch a movie with me. That's the red flag

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<v Speaker 1>and that's cause for concern. But in the ace of surfing,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a big deal at all. I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>if it escalates, you have a big problem. My only

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<v Speaker 1>concern with what you're saying is like Samantha, being a

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<v Speaker 1>significant other has to trust that that other girl doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have all. I don't think it's about the other girl

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I think it's just about her boyfriend. If

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend, can she trust her boyfriend or not? You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like for instance, again, I can

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<v Speaker 1>only do. All I can do is relate it back

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<v Speaker 1>to my scenarios, Like I know that I would never

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<v Speaker 1>do anything with any girl other than Kaylin, so I

1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:32.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have any interest. And you're like, yeah, let's go rock.

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<v Speaker 1>If this guy is and on his girlfriend, who for

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<v Speaker 1>for the record, they've been dating long with than Kaylin

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<v Speaker 1>and I have, then he has not even a single

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<v Speaker 1>desire to do anything that's you know, considered uh, promiscuous

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. So if she has a reason to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that she should be uncomfortable, then maybe there's something underlying there,

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<v Speaker 1>But I personally, I don't think that it's an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you that what is what is calin

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<v Speaker 1>like doing? What's like one of her hos ukulele? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So what if some dude, random dude DMR and said, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I know your relationship. I just want I also play

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<v Speaker 1>the ukulele, and I'd love to learn side by side

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<v Speaker 1>so we can kind of get better at this together.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you mind if like we go to a public place,

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<v Speaker 1>like it could be a coffee shop, whatever, and we

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like go back and forth and learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to play the ukulele. I see what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say that's a little bit of different in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation, but I would be totally okay with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see why not. Like again, I have full

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<v Speaker 1>and utter, to the utmost trust, more than I could

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<v Speaker 1>trust anyone else in the world. With Kalin, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that she would never do anything to hurt me physically

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<v Speaker 1>or emotionally. So I would have no issue with their

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<v Speaker 1>going to a coffee shop with a guy to play

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<v Speaker 1>the ukulele because I know that her intention is to

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<v Speaker 1>improve with the ukulele and to have someone to work

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<v Speaker 1>on that way and not to hook up with anyone else,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I think for me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not so much of trusting as it is a jealousy thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe I'm just a jealous guy and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy habit to have. But if, like if if

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley was going like weekly with this other dude that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know or didn't know at all, to

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<v Speaker 1>like do something that she's very passionate about, It's not like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I trust you, I just don't trust them, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes me jealous, that's all. Like, Nah, Navy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I would tell her not to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>But if it became like a weekly thing and I

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<v Speaker 1>did not know the person, I'd be like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how comfortable I feel about this. Not that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't trust you, but that dude could go no. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that makes sense too. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know in the world of like surfing and doing like

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<v Speaker 1>these activities outside that are like less intimate and more

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<v Speaker 1>about the experience than they are about the company. Is

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<v Speaker 1>surfing like going to a coffee shop, like playing you

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's a hobby. I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's an issue, but like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're on the same page. But with saying hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with them, see if you what's long distance? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you can't hang out with them at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think that you should, okay. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>another example. If Caitlin was like, look, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you to meet up with that person or rock climb,

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<v Speaker 1>I would kind of be like, well, what's the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't trust me, or like you don't want me

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<v Speaker 1>to like go do this, Like I don't understand, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Yeah, And you know what sucks

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<v Speaker 1>about the social distancing right now? You're right because she

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<v Speaker 1>even says in the email that I forgot about that

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing long distance right now because of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would that would cause that would cause some

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<v Speaker 1>moneyase on my end, because then the person that you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're dating, you're not only not hanging out with them,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're actively hanging out with another girl. And while

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<v Speaker 1>you trust them, it's just like this this little small

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<v Speaker 1>voice in the back of your head being like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>let them do it like that. This is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not good. Uh so it's hard, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not easy. Relationships aren't easy between jealousy and and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's very complicated. So I wish we had a

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<v Speaker 1>better answer for I see, if you asked me the

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<v Speaker 1>same question shin like two or three years ago, or

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, however long ago, probably even any time

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<v Speaker 1>before my current relationship, I would say, it's okay for

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<v Speaker 1>you to be like a little worried about it, but now,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've never I guess I hate making this all

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<v Speaker 1>about me, but like I'm in a relationship now, more

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<v Speaker 1>than more comfortable in this relationship than I've ever happen before.

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<v Speaker 1>So my mindset is always like, yeah, do the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that makes you happy. I don't you know. If I

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<v Speaker 1>can do it with you all, I will, But if

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<v Speaker 1>I can't, I want you to be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>it with other people that should that same interest as

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<v Speaker 1>you used to go do that. And it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a level of trust for me now is I've never

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<v Speaker 1>what I've never had before. So hopefully Samantha can have

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<v Speaker 1>that with her boyfriend without having to feel guilty for

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<v Speaker 1>telling him not to hang out with someone, because I

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<v Speaker 1>know she obviously she wants him to be surfing having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, do you think be bad if Samantha said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to stop doing this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also wouldn't mind if you just made me feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>while going, you know, while you do this, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>be just like you know, like face timing or from

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<v Speaker 1>the beach or you know, talking to her while he's there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good way to compromise, I guess would be

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<v Speaker 1>like face time and when you get there, because I

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<v Speaker 1>can so I can meet her, not like it in

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<v Speaker 1>a weird way, but just be like, oh, like hey,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're my boyfriend's new surfing buddy, Like it's nice

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<v Speaker 1>to meet you, you know what I mean. And that way,

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<v Speaker 1>like obviously if she everyone knows who's in the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's always good once you put a face to

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<v Speaker 1>the other person's significant other. I think that like really

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<v Speaker 1>ingrains the idea, and you know what I mean, So

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<v Speaker 1>by I think it's a really good idea. By doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, there's not gonna be any funny business

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<v Speaker 1>either way, Like she can kind of rest easy, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the girl that he's surfing with can be like Okay, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I have a face to the guy's girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>I am certain that this isn't going to be anything romantic,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, and it certainly can't hurt. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for listening to a new episode of Help

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<v Speaker 1>for opening up during your seven minutes of Heaven. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope this is something that can continue to happen because

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<v Speaker 1>I found yours very interesting. I hope people found mine

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat interesting. But I've already started like brainstorming things that

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to uh talk about and get

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