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Speaker 2: Slam to the ground by fooda Baker Like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: Here Queen go one hand to catch it the touchdown?

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Speaker 3: Oh baby, how's that fail?

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Speaker 1: Here's Craiggriolu, Paul Calvic, and three time pro bowler Kyle Vandenbosch.

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Speaker 4: In the words of head coach Jonathan Gannon, I know

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Speaker 4: they don't count, but it matters talking about preseason and

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Speaker 4: I believe Polly play by plays, we say, welcome to

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals Red Sea Report, and welcome back Paul Calves

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Speaker 4: from a week in Indianapolis. That's what I've heard you

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Speaker 4: say repeatedly, so I'm not sure if that is something

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Speaker 4: that JAG heard and borrowed from you or you just

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Speaker 4: blatantly ripped off from the Cardinals head coach.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I'm not exactly sure where I got it,

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Speaker 5: but I have been saying that for a good decade,

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Speaker 5: and I definitely said it on one of his recent

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Speaker 5: coaches shows. So I'm not sure who Pilford from whom,

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure where I got it, But yes, that's

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Speaker 5: saying has made the rounds, and you know what, it's

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Speaker 5: a good way to convey urgency and attach a little

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Speaker 5: importance to some of these games. And once again, no

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Speaker 5: one will ever remember for the final score.

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Speaker 4: But you wouldn't know it postgame or even on Monday

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Speaker 4: when the head coach addressed the media after Saturday's twenty

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Speaker 4: one thirteen loss to the Indianapolis Colts, in which the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals were outscored fourteen to three in the second half

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Speaker 4: and there were eleven total penalties. Kyle, you and I

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Speaker 4: talked a lot about it on Cardinal Talk in the moment,

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Speaker 4: but you hear now after you hear postgame comments from

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon, who is not happy Monday is still not happy.

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Speaker 4: And it's better to have these quote unquote problems or issues,

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Speaker 4: if you will. Now in the preseason because yeah, they

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Speaker 4: don't count, but those types of mistakes certainly matter, especially

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Speaker 4: if they carry over into the regular season.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, honestly, it's a good thing. It's a

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Speaker 6: teachable moment.

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Speaker 7: Like it.

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Speaker 6: Had they had a perfect game, that would be great,

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Speaker 6: we'd all be encouraged and you know, a clean game.

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Speaker 6: But you know, these are happening to young players that

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Speaker 6: are getting their first NFL experience on a field and

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Speaker 6: getting extended time, gett an extended look, and these these

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Speaker 6: are correctable. And that's again, you know, one thing we've

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Speaker 6: seen from this staff is they hohod players accountable. They

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Speaker 6: do these quizzes and meetings, They you know, pay attention

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Speaker 6: to detail and practice and in the film room and

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Speaker 6: you just look what you know, Jonathan Gannon, this coaching

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Speaker 6: staff has done. The Arizona Cardinals had the most penalties

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Speaker 6: in the NFL in twenty in twenty one, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: in twenty and twenty two, and in twenty one they

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Speaker 6: tied for twenty seventh. Last year they were down to

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Speaker 6: twenty one or twenty first. So you know, it's tough

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Speaker 6: to change that culture, but you can feel that culture change.

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Speaker 6: Holding players accountable, not making the same mistakes over and

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Speaker 6: over and over. And when it happens to young guys,

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Speaker 6: it's a good thing. You know, they need to learn

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Speaker 6: what they can and can't get away with. And so

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Speaker 6: you go to the film room, you correct these things.

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Speaker 6: And one thing you can be assured of is while

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Speaker 6: they may have happened, particularly to some players, repeatedly throughout

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Speaker 6: the course of this ballgame, they won't happen repeatedly going forward.

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Speaker 5: And I said, then in the second half, I said,

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Speaker 5: this is shades of twenty twenty two when the Arizona

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Speaker 5: Cardinals led the NFL in flags. And it drives coaches

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Speaker 5: nuts because the two words self inflicted. It's something you

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Speaker 5: can control. It's something that will get you beat. If

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Speaker 5: the preseason is about evaluation, preparation and educate. The rookies

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Speaker 5: in particular, learned a valuable lesson that eleven flags will

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Speaker 5: get your beat, thirteen first downs, eleven flags that'll get

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Speaker 5: in the season. So to Kyle's point, yeah, it probably does.

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Speaker 5: If it's going to happen, let it happen. In August

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Speaker 5: and then the coach can reinforce it and let everyone know.

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Speaker 5: Guess what, Just a few plays in the NFL decide

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great teaching moments, several moments on Saturday and the kiss.

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Speaker 4: The big one is Christian Jones three straight plays in

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Speaker 4: that negated Trey Benson's twenty yard run, I didn't see anything.

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Speaker 4: And then maybe the third one there was more of

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Speaker 4: a grab it. To your point, Kyle is okay, what

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Speaker 6: Well, in these referees, they sit in me, they have

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Speaker 6: While it's not they haven't set out loud that some

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Speaker 6: of these are points of emphasis. Calls that happened in

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Speaker 6: And to your point, there was some that were just

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Speaker 6: bad calls. I mean there was one on a kick

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Speaker 6: and got called back for a hold and it was

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Speaker 6: the ref on that was behind that through the flag,

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Speaker 6: and you saw a replay from another angle and it

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Speaker 6: But then in the regular season, a lot of those

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Speaker 6: They don't want to slow down the action. They don't

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Speaker 6: want to call these ticki tac penalties, So you know

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Speaker 6: you can expect that of well, there was actually thirteen flags,

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Speaker 6: but of the of the eleven penalties, the thirteen flags

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Speaker 4: Seven penalties at halftime, in fact, seven with still about

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Speaker 4: way too many. Something Jonathan Gennen certainly talked about postgame.

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Speaker 7: Pretty self explanatory. We didn't mode to play. One of

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Speaker 7: were ready to play physically, violence was on display, good,

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Speaker 7: going to beat anybody making those kind of mistakes. It's

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Speaker 7: too hard to win in this league, and you can't

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Speaker 4: Saturday was, in the words rookie running back Trade Benson,

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Speaker 4: the third game that week against the Indianapolis Colts, because

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Speaker 4: Paul experienced during Thursday. Okay, it was anything but light.

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Speaker 5: But what are you from Seattle? Wasn't a light rain?

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Speaker 4: Are you dried off yet?

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Speaker 5: It's good though, you know, you never know, you never

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Speaker 5: pretty tough to, you know, to recreate that experience anywhere

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Speaker 4: You, those practices though, to hear Benson say, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a game type intensity, and those practices are

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Speaker 4: when we did see Kyler Murray, Marvin Harrison Junior, the

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Speaker 5: On Saturday, there was a lot of talking. I don't

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Speaker 5: you know some of it. You couldn't really cover, and

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Speaker 5: you couldn't tweet out some of the video, but I

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Speaker 5: of the trash talking going on. The two inside linebackers

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Speaker 5: from there front row. It definitely got intense, It definitely

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Speaker 5: got animated. Early in practice, Number one dj Do just

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Speaker 5: So yeah, there was a game type atmosphere, especially compared

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Speaker 4: On that subject, two joint practices. What stood out here's

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Speaker 7: Their attitude and effort for two days, two hard days there.

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Speaker 7: We were locked in for the most part, you know

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Speaker 4: We're gonna see a lot more of this from the

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Speaker 4: Even sometimes after the preseason game, you hold a joint

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Speaker 4: It's a controlled environment. You can work on situational stuff

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Speaker 6: I think you truly can get more value from these

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Speaker 6: the Colts, you know, and you can it's competition against

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Speaker 6: you mentioned, it got heated, but there were no fights,

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Speaker 6: which means these coaches are both in control of their teams.

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Speaker 6: And there was no injuries. And you know, I know

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Speaker 6: a lot of Cardinals fans are frustrated that are ones.

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Speaker 6: A lot of our starters in that play in these

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Speaker 6: Look at Buffalo, their receiving core is gonna be decimated

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Speaker 6: because what do we know. You know, we've talked a

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Speaker 6: lot about where's the pressure going to come from the edge,

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Speaker 6: who's going to be the guy that might get eight

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Speaker 6: or ten sacks? And that's been a huge conversation about

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Speaker 6: the need at edge. But you know, you look at

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Speaker 6: Blil Nichols, you look at Justin Jones. We know what

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Speaker 6: they are or what they have been. They are durable,

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Speaker 6: they can play up and down the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 6: They are phenomenal run stoppers. Neither one of them have

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Speaker 6: great production as a pass rusher. They don't have the

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Speaker 6: big sack numbers. So you know, we should also be

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Speaker 6: talking about where's the pressure going to come from the inside.

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Speaker 6: We think it's gonna be Darius Robinson. We've seen good

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Speaker 6: things from him. We've seen him win one on ones.

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Speaker 6: He won some one on ones against really good players

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Speaker 6: in the joint practices. But LJ. Kllier has that in

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Speaker 6: him as well. I mean, he did it in college,

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Speaker 6: he's he did it at times in Seattle, and so

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Speaker 6: you know, he might be the guy in a sub

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Speaker 6: package on third down. And I'm not saying he's not

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Speaker 6: a good run player. I'm not saying he's not a

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Speaker 6: first and second down player. But we also got to

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Speaker 6: find out who's that guy that's gonna win on the

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Speaker 6: inside aside from you know, what we think is going

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Speaker 6: to be Darius Robinson's role, as explosive and athletic as

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Speaker 6: he is.

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Speaker 4: But l J.

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Speaker 6: Collier is you know, making a stamp for himself or

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Speaker 6: putting a stamp on it saying, Hey, I can do

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Speaker 6: these things.

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Speaker 5: Too, Kyle. Can I say that LJ. Collier they're not

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Speaker 5: asking him to two gap? Can we conclude that I

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Speaker 5: don't have Nick Rolis's play sheet, the laminade a play

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Speaker 5: sheet in front of me. I'm not in the D

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Speaker 5: line meeting rooms. But he's always getting upfield.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 5: He's always disruptive. And so if the best part of

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Speaker 5: a coach is trying to enable the best aspect of

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Speaker 5: a player, he just has this ability to get upfield

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Speaker 5: and get past offensive lineman and seemingly you know, and

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Speaker 5: whether it's the drills of the team sessions, man, he

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Speaker 5: gets through that that old line in a hurry. And

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Speaker 5: it's problem. You've seen it throughout the preseason.

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Speaker 4: So whether it's the defensive line or the outside linebackers.

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Speaker 4: And I'll throw in your guy, Kyle mac Wilson Senior,

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Speaker 4: who we expect to rush the quarterback. There are guys

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Speaker 4: that can be pass rushers on this team already on

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Speaker 4: this roster overall evaluating that group, here's Xavier Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Anybody can go out there and get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I mean it, talent is there, the experience is there,

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Speaker 3: Like those guys Davn and Dennis, those guys taking me

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Speaker 3: on the wings since I've gotten here and just taught

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Speaker 3: me everything that I needed to do.

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Speaker 4: Is there a double digit sack guy on this roster? Maybe?

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Speaker 4: Maybe not, And if there's not, it's okay. If you

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Speaker 4: have a number of different players with sacks or hurries

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Speaker 4: or pressures or knockdowns or hits. It doesn't just have

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Speaker 4: to be Chandler Jones. And right now I don't see

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Speaker 4: Chandler Jones on this roster as far as that player

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Speaker 4: being the focal point of an opposing team.

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Speaker 5: You know, I heard Kyle Vannenbosch yesterday in the car

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Speaker 5: driving to work. I heard him make a really salient point.

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Speaker 5: And we've talked about this a little bit, but I

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Speaker 5: think it bears repeating, is that the edge rushers the

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Speaker 5: Cardinals have are all dramatically different body types. Savan Collins

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Speaker 5: is very different than Dennis Gardek, who's very different from

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Speaker 5: Xavier Thomas, that speed rusher, who's very different from a

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Speaker 5: Victor d Mucagee, who once again I mean easily good

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Speaker 5: at three sacks in that game of the Colts. His

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Speaker 5: pressure rate was top notch last year. It looks like

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Speaker 5: he's picked up where he left off and he's more

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Speaker 5: of that sort of you know, that bulldog type guy

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Speaker 5: and body type off the edge soul without in the

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Speaker 5: absence of a premier, elite, all pro edge rusher, maybe

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Speaker 5: you just have enough variety to make it really difficult

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Speaker 5: and ramp up the degree of difficulty on offensive tackles.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps that's the Cardinals competitive advantage off the edge.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and what I have seen through these preseason games.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we haven't seen Zavon or Dennis, but I

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Speaker 6: haven't seen a guy that can't win. I think the

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Speaker 6: most impressive rush that I saw against the Colts was

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Speaker 6: Jesse Luketta and his speed off the edge and his

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Speaker 6: ability to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands. Now,

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Speaker 6: that is a skill that is a something you practice.

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Speaker 6: I know they practiced it all the time and I

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Speaker 6: actually learned this too late in my career in my opinion,

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Speaker 6: But it's hard to get the quarterback down and so

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Speaker 6: you hunt that ball. Sometimes you can't get the quarterback

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Speaker 6: he's stepping up in the pocket, but you find that ball.

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Speaker 6: And that's just what Jesse Leuketta did. He came around

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Speaker 6: the edge, he could have gotten run past the quarterback.

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Speaker 6: He reached out with one hand and found the ball,

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Speaker 6: got the ball out. Those are game changing type plays. Now,

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Speaker 6: that play didn't count, it was nullified by a penalty,

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Speaker 6: but you know, I saw him do two or three

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Speaker 6: really nice pass rushers. And you know, you're starting to

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Speaker 6: talk about a number of guys that can get to

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Speaker 6: the quarterback. There's no guy in that room that you're

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Speaker 6: going to say, Okay, he's limited, he's not athletic enough,

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Speaker 6: he's not winning it. In these preseason games. Every one

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Speaker 6: of these players that has played on the edge in

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Speaker 6: the preseason has gotten to the quarterback at one point

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Speaker 6: for another and some of them multiple times.

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Speaker 5: By the way, two weeks ago in the locker room,

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Speaker 5: went up to Jesse Luketta, I said, you know what,

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Speaker 5: you look quicker? Are you quicker?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: He just gave me a definitive yes, So I'm definitely quicker.

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Speaker 5: And look, you look at the guys who are on

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Speaker 5: that field in the second half of that game. It's

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Speaker 5: musical chairs. One guy's gonna be on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 5: You have to figure so you can the urgency was

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Speaker 5: out there. Put it that way, because, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 5: four sacks could have been a lot more nine quarterback hits.

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Speaker 5: Those guys see the depth chart themselves.

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Speaker 4: And remember the outside linebackers. They're asked to set the edge,

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Speaker 4: They're asked to drop into coverage. It's not just getting

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Speaker 5: Benson gets a call now found in and outside of

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Speaker 5: the left side fins of grease at the thirty five

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Speaker 5: first down and more taking a tackle with him across

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Speaker 5: the forty five to the forty eight yard line. There's

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Speaker 5: the first in the power from the round three rookie. Yes,

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Speaker 5: you asked me what I wanted to see for Trey Benson.

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Speaker 5: This is it a little outside zone. But he runs

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Speaker 5: through three tackles, four tackles, and then hits acceleration, continues

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Speaker 5: to run and picks up another five yards That's exactly

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Speaker 5: what I.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to see, Paul.

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Speaker 5: That got me fired up.

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Speaker 4: Not the longest run from scrimmage for Trey Benson. The

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Speaker 4: longest run that counted. There was a twenty yard run

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Speaker 4: negated by a penalty. But yeah, Trey Benson, the second

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Speaker 4: running back off the board in the NFL Draft in April,

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Speaker 4: Trey Benson averaged almost five yards a carry. You heard

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Speaker 4: the play by play Paul CALVCJ feely as we say,

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Speaker 4: welcome back here on the Cardinals red seat report, Creig Griya,

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Speaker 4: lukav Anabash and the aforementioned Paul Calvic back from Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: and back from calling Trey Benson's Perhaps I wouldn't say

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Speaker 4: coming out party, but certainly best performance. Stare I say

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Speaker 4: practice or preseason?

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Speaker 5: It was definitely new and improved versus preseason game number one.

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Speaker 5: And that's Tray Benson himself. He said to the media,

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Speaker 5: you know, I was a little timid in the preseason opener.

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Speaker 5: You know two words, stoke it right, kram at vertical

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Speaker 5: is what this run game is all about. And you

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Speaker 5: saw that. You saw him make a decision and go north.

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Speaker 5: And then when he does so, guess what he has

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Speaker 5: the size of two to twenty plus. He definitely has

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Speaker 5: the speed as a four to three guy. So all right,

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Speaker 5: I mean hopefully that's just the first step and what

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Speaker 5: will be his ascension throughout this season? I can easily

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Speaker 5: see a guy like Trey Benson just increase in his

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Speaker 5: value and is worth week after week, getting more reps,

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Speaker 5: getting more comfortable, getting more confidence. I think you walk

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Speaker 5: into a running back room, don't you tell me, Kyle Vannibash,

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Speaker 5: and you see James Connor. What was his initial comment

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Speaker 5: after rookie Minnicamp. Jeez, I didn't realize James Connor was

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Speaker 5: so big, right, that can be a little intimidating. You

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Speaker 5: see guy that big, that's skilled, that mean and nasty,

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Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, guess what, You're not just

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Speaker 5: the second running back taking in the draft. You're not

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Speaker 5: one of the premier guys in the college game. All

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Speaker 5: of a sudden, there's a lot of ground to make

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Speaker 5: up between you and the starter James Connor. Benson has

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Speaker 5: been impressive. I mentioned almost five yards of carry on Saturday,

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Speaker 5: the ability though Kyle to break tackles, and then the

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Speaker 5: vision again, I'm watching it from the television screen but

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Speaker 5: following his blocks or seeing something maybe that the play

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Speaker 5: was designed to go left, and he said, no, that's

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Speaker 5: cut off.

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Speaker 4: I gotta go right. I see an opening.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think when you hear players in particularly running backs,

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Speaker 6: talk about the game slowing down, that's it. Like you've

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Speaker 6: got to know when to be patient, when to follow

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Speaker 6: your blocks, and then you've got to know when to

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Speaker 6: run the darkness. I mean in the NFL. You know,

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Speaker 6: I'm sure he saw huge holes in college. Sometimes you know,

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Speaker 6: four or five yards where his holes at the line

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Speaker 6: of scrimmage. Those holes are not that big in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: They close up much quicker in the NFL. And you know,

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Speaker 6: while you're at the line of scrimmage hitting your hole,

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Speaker 6: you have to have the vision to see where are

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Speaker 6: the second and third level defenders, where are they coming from?

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Speaker 6: Are they going to be blocked? And you have to

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Speaker 6: start thinking about your next cut, And everything is just

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Speaker 6: so much faster, and you know, the blitzers come faster

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Speaker 6: the linebacker and coverage is on you much quicker. But

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Speaker 6: you know, I think we're already seeing that learning curve.

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Speaker 6: It's he's catching up to it really quickly. Like he

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Speaker 6: seemed a little bit hesitant at times in the New

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Speaker 6: Orleans preseason game, sometimes chopping his feet in the backfield,

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Speaker 6: And there was times in this game. You know, we

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Speaker 6: all recognize his burst on that nineteen yard run, on

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Speaker 6: the twenty yard run that was called back, and see

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Speaker 6: his explosiveness and see his power. But I think you're

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Speaker 6: just seeing him understand, Okay, there is no hole on

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Speaker 6: this play. I just need to bury my head in

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Speaker 6: there and churn my legs and get what I can get,

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Speaker 6: because that's that's what the NFL is all about. You know,

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Speaker 6: sometimes that three yard carry is just as important as

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Speaker 6: that twenty yard carry because it'll keep the chains moving,

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Speaker 6: it'll it'll get you in second or third and manageable.

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Speaker 6: And he's starting to see those things much quicker, and

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Speaker 6: I think the game truly is starting to slow down

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Speaker 6: for him.

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Speaker 4: Well on that subject, we heard from Trey Benson on

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Speaker 4: Monday on that fact, as far as, yeah, maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit timid in that first game on Saturday, not so.

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Speaker 10: Much every day, like every time, we practically started to

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Speaker 10: slow down even more more and more for me every

649
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Speaker 10: single day, And those guys in my running back room,

650
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Speaker 10: you know, they continue to be on me and they

651
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Speaker 10: continue to motivate me every single day. And without those guys, yeah,

652
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Speaker 10: I'll probably have a hard time. But you know, those

653
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Speaker 10: guys in their room day are as the eleague group.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot in that group as well, which I

655
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Speaker 4: do want to touch on before we get to that.

656
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Speaker 4: How about more on Benson's progress from the offseason to

657
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Speaker 4: training camp to preseason games. His head coach, Jonathan Gannon

658
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Speaker 4: and what he has seen out of Trey Benson.

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Speaker 11: All five buckets he's done a better job with. But

660
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Speaker 11: just getting comfortable reps our goals for those guys and

661
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Speaker 11: getting comfortable with you know, what autry is he and

662
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Speaker 11: what the play is designed for, where to hit it,

663
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Speaker 11: and then where he has some flexibility to kind of

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Speaker 11: do his own thing. Not much flexibility doing your own thing,

665
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Speaker 11: but where to put the ball, you know what I mean.

666
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Speaker 11: So he's doing a good job.

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Speaker 4: All right now, let's have that conversation. As you heard

668
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Speaker 4: Trey Benson mentioned it's an elite group, Well it's a

669
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Speaker 4: group right now that is seven deep. Hassan Hall, who

670
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Speaker 4: was recently signed, did not play on Saturday. Fully expect

671
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Speaker 4: him to play though this coming Sunday might get there,

672
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Speaker 4: might be a lot of Hassan Hall and maybe Tony

673
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Speaker 4: Jones Junior. But as we talked about on Saturday night

674
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Speaker 4: on Cardinal Talk, let's turn it over to you, Paul.

675
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Speaker 4: You've got running backs that you know are going to

676
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Speaker 4: be on this roster, and then there are running backs

677
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Speaker 4: you hope to still have on this roster because of

678
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Speaker 4: their skill set and their ability to do different things.

679
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Speaker 4: But can you keep four? Dare I say five running

680
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Speaker 4: backs on the final fifty three?

681
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Speaker 5: Let's reverse engineer this. James Connor made the team. Let's

682
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Speaker 5: see here, Trey Benson, third round rookie, you made the team. Dallas,

683
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Speaker 5: you have made the team. Jonathan Gannon and Jeff Fisher

684
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Speaker 5: both speak with a lot of reverence of DJ Dallas

685
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Speaker 5: and he's on the team. So now, all of a sudden, okay,

686
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Speaker 5: are you leaving Michael Carter off this team? He's shown enough,

687
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: he's done enough, and you look at how Jonathan Gannon

688
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: raised about Michael Carter. So now you're down to Amari Demurcado,

689
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Speaker 5: undrafted rookie year ago, defied the odds, made the team.

690
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Speaker 5: Was the third down back right there with James Connor.

691
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Speaker 5: Is the best pass protection running back it's really Connor

692
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Speaker 5: and de Mercado and everybody else. When it comes to

693
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Speaker 5: pass pro. We know Drew Petsen's inclination to use that

694
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Speaker 5: third down back. You better be able to protect that quarterback.

695
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Speaker 5: I think you're going with five. If you're only going

696
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Speaker 5: with four, they try and sneaker Mari Demercato to the

697
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Speaker 5: practice squad. That's my best guess.

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Speaker 4: It might be hard, though, to slip de Mercado passed waivers.

699
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Speaker 4: That would be the exactly I don't know. I wouldn't

700
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Speaker 4: call it a fear, but that would be if I'm

701
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Speaker 4: in that front office upstairs, Kyle, I'm like, okay, I'm

702
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Speaker 4: holding my breath. Please, let's let's get whether that's Amar

703
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Speaker 4: or Michael. But I think, based off of film, especially

704
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Speaker 4: from a year ago, team sees either one of those

705
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Speaker 4: running backs come across the waiver wire, they're going to say,

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Speaker 4: wait a second, let's go back and revisit this. That's

707
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Speaker 4: a good player. Do we have room for that good player?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: You go back and watch this game. And Martin Maccato

710
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Speaker 6: ran the ball hard when he had opportunities. He kept

711
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Speaker 6: his legs churning. You know, got a first down just

712
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Speaker 6: sticking his face in there and running hard. I think

713
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Speaker 6: that's an underrated aspect. I mean, we all want to

714
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Speaker 6: talk about his pass protection. He can really run the

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Speaker 6: ball as well. And you know, to me, Michael Carter,

716
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Speaker 6: since he has been here, has been like the Greg

717
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Speaker 6: Dortsch of the running backs room. Like when given the opportunity,

718
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Speaker 6: when he gets the ball in his hands, good things happen.

719
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Speaker 6: Sometimes great things happen. Even in this game. You know,

720
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Speaker 6: he was throwing a check down for at the line

721
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Speaker 6: of scrimmage and he made a defender miss, stuck his

722
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Speaker 6: foot in the ground and picked up fourteen fifteen yards

723
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Speaker 6: on a checkdown. And you know he's he's been that guy.

724
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Speaker 6: He's explosive, he makes you know, he's looks like he

725
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 6: is a threat to take it to the house anytime

726
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Speaker 6: the ball is in his hands, just because of how

727
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Speaker 6: twitchy he is, never getting tackled by the first guy

728
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 6: and eating up yardigy in a hurry. So and we

729
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Speaker 6: talked about this post game, Craig like, this is it's

730
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Speaker 6: a great position to be in as a team. But

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Speaker 6: I would not want to make the decision about which

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Speaker 6: guys to keep because it would break my heart. Seeing

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Speaker 6: one of these guys on another team having this success

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Speaker 6: that I think that they can have.

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Speaker 5: Right, So, if we're playing roster roulette, I think the

736
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Speaker 5: abundance of running backs probably cost a tight end or

737
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Speaker 5: roster spot. I think you go with three tight ends

738
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Speaker 5: and you're like, now, wait a minute, poly pencil Neck.

739
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Speaker 5: The Cardinals led the NFL in thirteen personnel. He can't

740
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Speaker 5: go with just three Well, a Blake Whiteheart, a Travis Vogelek.

741
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Speaker 5: If they end up on the practice squad and they're

742
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Speaker 5: eligible to be elevated on game day three times apiece

743
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Speaker 5: before you need a roster spot. Maybe that's how you

744
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: begin this season and on game day one of those

745
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Speaker 5: two guys comes up. The other thing is you have

746
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Speaker 5: a lot of depth on your old line, goal line situations.

747
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Speaker 5: Guess what an offensive lineman becomes that blocking tight end.

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Speaker 4: It's a good problem to have the competition in that

749
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Speaker 4: running back room. Here is Trey Benson on that competition?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Wikipedi, but it's like friendly competition. You know they

751
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 10: got my back and you know I got they back.

752
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Speaker 10: And when I come to the sideline, it don't just

753
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 10: be James, it be Mike, it be Tony it be dj.

754
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 10: They all come to me and see what they see

755
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 10: on the field because they want me to be great

756
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 10: as well. But you know, they's still a competition. But

757
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Speaker 10: like those are my guys.

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Speaker 4: That can't be easy, Kyle, to have someone a younger player,

759
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Speaker 4: yet you're turning and helping them to perhaps maybe one day,

760
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Speaker 4: maybe even this season, take your job, regardless of what

761
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Speaker 4: position it is. Because we've heard this from a number

762
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Speaker 4: of different young players that the veterans are going out

763
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Speaker 4: of their way to help them be better because at

764
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Speaker 4: the end, that makes the team better.

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Speaker 6: It is not easy. It is not like that everywhere.

766
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Speaker 6: It was not like that on teams that I played

767
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Speaker 6: on where vets did not help young guys. They knew

768
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Speaker 6: that their job ob security was at risk if they

769
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Speaker 6: did help these young guys. But this is a sign

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Speaker 6: of a healthy locker room, is a sign that Jonathan

771
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Speaker 6: Gannon and his coaching staff are doing the right things.

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Speaker 6: It's the sign that mantiasen Fort has brought the right

773
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Speaker 6: people into this building. When you put the Wii before

774
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Speaker 6: the me and you care more about the team and

775
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 6: the culture than sometimes even your job security. And you know,

776
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Speaker 6: it's a tremendous credit not just to the young guys

777
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Speaker 6: leaning on the vets, but the vets in those rooms

778
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Speaker 6: understanding that if we want to be where we think

779
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Speaker 6: we can be at the end of this season, it's

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Speaker 6: gonna take.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, certainly something to pay attention to roster cuts. A

782
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Speaker 4: week from today, we will know a little bit later

783
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Speaker 4: on on Tuesday afternoon is when the Cardinals typically release

784
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Speaker 4: their final fifty three. But there are gonna be names

785
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Speaker 4: on that list, Paul, that we're gonna be like, Wow, Okay,

786
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 4: didn't see that coming, or wow, we're not gonna see

787
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Speaker 4: them again back with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: And I'm guessing there's gonna at least a couple of

789
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Speaker 5: names out there from other teams that end up on

790
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: the car Cardinals roster certain areas of need. You know,

791
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Speaker 5: maybe that four tight end comes from another team. For example,

792
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: last year, you picked up Roy Lopez, you picked up

793
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Speaker 5: Starling Thomas. Both those were home runs.

794
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Speaker 4: Elijah Higgins was one of those players claimed as well

795
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Speaker 4: by the way Cardinals assistant GM Dave Sears. He was

796
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Speaker 4: a guest on the day Patch podcast in his episode

797
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Speaker 4: seventy five, available now via Apple Podcast, Spotify, and the

798
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Speaker 4: Cardinals official YouTube. Page YouTube dot Com Forward Slash az Cardinals.

799
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Speaker 4: This is the Arizona Cardinals radio network.

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Speaker 5: You know what Xavier Thomas is saying right now. He's

801
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Speaker 5: using the old Jimmy chitpwood line, saying, coach, I can

802
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Speaker 5: make it there. He has poised off the left side

803
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Speaker 5: and he cuts inside. He flushes the quarterback out again,

804
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Speaker 5: Bean once again throwing on the run, and this one's

805
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Speaker 5: picked off. Rabbit comes in snatches that ball out of

806
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Speaker 5: the air. Jason Bean trying to get away with a

807
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: throw on the run deep down the near online. Not

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Speaker 5: this time, says Rabbit, who's celebrating in the end zone.

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Speaker 12: Well, one rookie made the pressure and flushed him, and

810
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 12: then one rookie makes the excellent break on the ball.

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Speaker 5: Dad and Taylor.

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Speaker 12: Demerson showing that he belongs in the NFL, the big

813
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Speaker 12: hits last week, and then just getting his right foot

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Speaker 12: down in bounce after he catches that ball.

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Speaker 5: Really good job undercutting the route, coming up and making

816
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Speaker 5: the interception.

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Speaker 4: We talked about that play earlier here on the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: Red Seaw Report. Sometimes you don't need to get home

819
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Speaker 4: on that pass rush, just force that quarterback to make

820
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Speaker 4: a throw. He does not want to before he wants to,

821
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Speaker 4: and Rabbit stepping in front of the receiver, picking the

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Speaker 4: ball off, and a credit to Clayton Tune and the

823
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Speaker 4: offense to take advantage of that turnover for the game's

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Speaker 4: only touchdown scored by the Cardinals, the twelve yard run

825
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Speaker 4: by Clayton tuone a halftime lead. The Cardinals not able

826
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Speaker 4: to hang on to that lead. But bottom line, Paul,

827
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Speaker 4: we're seeing it and you've called it for pack to

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Speaker 4: back weeks now. Rabbit four tackles Game one, two tackles,

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Speaker 4: an interception, pass defense, and a special teams tackle in

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Speaker 4: game two.

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Speaker 5: By the way, can I throw this out there? Should

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Speaker 5: there be an analytic yes or no? Kyle Vanenbosch over

833
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Speaker 5: a decade in the league, is an edge rusher when

834
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Speaker 5: you affect the quarterback and it results in a turnover

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Speaker 5: an interception. Should you get like a hockey assist on that,

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Speaker 5: you know, when you're the one who hurried the throw

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Speaker 5: and the throw gets picked off. Should you get a

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Speaker 5: little statistical love on that from the analytics guys. Yes?

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Speaker 6: And not only that, Like when we had a good

840
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Speaker 6: defensive line in Tennessee, we put three d backs in

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Speaker 6: the Pro Bowl. So we should have gotten their Pro

842
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Speaker 6: Bowl checks because we were there were these quarterbacks were

843
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Speaker 6: thrown out out of a well, they were getting hit.

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Speaker 6: They were just you know, praying that they didn't take

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Speaker 6: sacks and just throwing it up for grabs.

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe we can convince Rabbit to throw a little

847
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Speaker 4: praise to Xavier Thomas's way. But we did hear from

848
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Speaker 4: Rabbits after the game his reaction to that interception in

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Speaker 4: the second quarter.

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Speaker 13: I told my two best friends of Vice and kJ

851
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Speaker 13: to Dale, but hey, like I'm filling one. I told

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Speaker 13: my agent, I was giving one Solf just put it

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Speaker 13: in my head all day, man, and you know, trying

854
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Speaker 13: not to you know, go out the way and make

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Speaker 13: the play. Let the play come to me. So the

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Speaker 13: play finally came and I caught it. So it was

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Speaker 13: it was real cool, man. I'm not gonna lie like

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Speaker 13: it was like electric started going through my body when

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Speaker 13: I car I didn't know.

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Speaker 5: What to do.

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Speaker 4: It is. It is very fun not only to hear

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Speaker 4: Rabbit speak, but watch him play. And this again, this

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Speaker 4: is a Day three pick that is having an immediate impact.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's the NFL that he's made the transition

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Speaker 5: effectively from college when he's talking to his agent pregame,

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Speaker 5: So you know it's a business when you got the

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Speaker 5: agent online one right before kickoffs. So and look, the

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Speaker 5: agent's loving that you got to produce. If Rabbit doesn't

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Speaker 5: play in this final preseason game, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 5: He made the team fourth round rookie. What he's done.

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Speaker 5: Some guys are fast and then some guys play fast.

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Speaker 5: He's both. He runs that four to four. He plays

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Speaker 5: fast now when his instincts improve, when he knows the

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Speaker 5: scheme and where he's supposed to be at all the

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Speaker 5: time and his assignments. But he had sort of like Xavier,

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Speaker 5: he has something you can't teach, which in his case

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Speaker 5: is that makeup speed. And you saw that that ball

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00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 5: was just hanging in the air begging to be picked off.

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Speaker 5: Is there an NFL caliber dB who can get that interception? Yes,

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Speaker 5: Taylor Demerson was that guy.

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Speaker 4: And he's not afraid of the contact, which we saw

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Speaker 4: in that first game against the Saints. Now there was

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Speaker 4: a mistackle as well, so you have to take the

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Speaker 4: good with the bad. But it's a good starting point,

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Speaker 4: especially when you have someone that young and now you

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Speaker 4: can mold in what you want as a defensive player.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And I love the way he approaches the game.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's not hesitant because he's afraid to make mistakes.

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Speaker 6: He is making mistakes, but he's doing them one hundred

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Speaker 6: miles per hour and that is the best way to learn.

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Speaker 6: And you know, to your point, like, he has the

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Speaker 6: potential to be the total package on the backside. He's

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Speaker 6: got the speed, he's got the athletic ability, he's got

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Speaker 6: the ball skills. We've seen that his ability to get

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Speaker 6: his toes down after the interception, you know, toe tap

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Speaker 6: at the sideline just shows his body control. So you know,

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Speaker 6: now it's just all how quickly can it catch up

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Speaker 6: between the years because he is flying around that football field.

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Speaker 6: He's throwing his body around like a young Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 6: And he's a fun player to watch and it's going

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Speaker 6: to be fun to see him developing this scheme and

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Speaker 6: see how Nick Rolis uses him this season.

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Speaker 5: That's money analysis right there. He mentioned Buddha Baker because

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Speaker 5: that's exactly the comp that Jonathan Gannon gave on his

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Speaker 5: TV show this week, Game Plan, which you'll see Wednesday

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Speaker 5: and Thursday night. An Asy family. He compared him a

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Speaker 5: similar style of safety to a Buddha Baker, a Jalen Thompson.

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Speaker 5: You can see why Mania support went after a Dadrian

909
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 5: Taylor Demerson because just the manner which he fits into

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Speaker 5: this scheme is very similar. He's not a six foot three,

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Speaker 5: two hundred and thirty pounds safety like a Derwin James.

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Speaker 5: He's more akin to what the Cardinals already have and

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Speaker 5: so they're able just to swap him in and out.

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Speaker 5: And you see him now making plays like those two guys.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's always seemingly always around the football, and I

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Speaker 4: think it will get better. You mentioned the football instincts,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's just something that's going to come

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Speaker 4: with time, more reps and understanding the defensive playbook and okay,

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Speaker 4: are you where you're supposed to be? I think more

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Speaker 4: times than not he has been. There are times where

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Speaker 4: he hasn't. But it is again a Day three pick.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about both Rabbit and XT as far as

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Speaker 4: maybe not starters, but certainly players that can have major

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Speaker 4: roles this season.

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Speaker 5: And remember Rabbit was a college running back. He had

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Speaker 5: to make the transition to defense, and it's sort of

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Speaker 5: in some ways similar to Darius Robinson, who was a

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Speaker 5: basketball player only until his junior year of high school.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's a guy who considers, you know, he

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Speaker 5: still has a lot of upside in his game, and

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Speaker 5: Rabbit seems to think the same thing about him playing defense.

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Speaker 4: One more preseason game. It comes up on Sunday in Denver.

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Speaker 4: One thirty is the Kick nine to thirty. Pre game

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Speaker 4: coverage begins here on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network, and

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Speaker 4: then that's it. One week from today, final roster decisions

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Speaker 4: need to be made. What that fifty three man roster

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Speaker 4: will look like. Special thanks behind the scenes, our executive

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Speaker 4: producer Jim Amhund, Associate producer Cody Fincher, Technical director Matt

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Speaker 4: Lazarus for Kyle Nenbosch, Paul Calvicy, I'm Craig Riolu. We'll

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