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Speaker 1: Radio or Tenderfoot TV. This podcast contains subject matter which

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Speaker 1: from Tenderfoot TV and I Heart Radio. Introducing Facing Evil.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rosha Pacarreira and I'm Evett Gintil. For those of

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Speaker 1: you who don't know who we are, we suggest you

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Speaker 1: give a listen to our hit podcast, Root of Evil,

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Speaker 1: the true story of the Hodel Family and the Black Dahlia. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Russia and I are sisters, and in two thousand nineteen

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Speaker 1: we hosted Root of Evil together to help tell the

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Speaker 1: story of our family, which is a crazy story. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't listened to Root and a crazy fan a

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Speaker 1: crazy family, you must listen to it. Yes, and it's

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Speaker 1: really a story about overcoming incredible family secrets, murder and

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Speaker 1: when I say so much more, it's so much more. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: the podcast is a multidimensional story about our connection to

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Speaker 1: George Hoddel, the prime suspect in the Black Dollar murder case,

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Speaker 1: which is also known as the Elizabeth Short murder case.

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Speaker 1: And George Hodel was our great grandfather, and you must

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Speaker 1: know that Rush and I never met our great grandfather,

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Speaker 1: nor did our mother. She talked him on the phone though, yes.

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Speaker 1: But in Rute of Evil we tracked the evidence for

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Speaker 1: George's guilt and we try to come to terms with

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Speaker 1: the impact that he had on our entire family. We

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Speaker 1: and how she protected us, our entire lives from this

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Speaker 1: immense craziness that she discovered. We'll talk a little are

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Speaker 1: about that case in a moment, but first let's explain

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Speaker 1: what we're doing here with you today. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: our new podcast and it's called Facing Evil. It'll be

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Speaker 1: very different from Root of Evil. Well, we focus primarily

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Speaker 1: on our story in that podcast. In Facing Evil, we

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Speaker 1: want to explore other cases and bring attention to missing

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Speaker 1: and murdered people who don't get talked about. We also

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Speaker 1: want to talk about older cases, obviously new cases, society

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Speaker 1: and culture cases. After Root of Evil finished event and

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Speaker 1: I realized that we were not alone in our story.

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Speaker 1: There are hundreds, even thousands of families who face tragedy

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Speaker 1: every single year, whether they were a victim, themselves, close

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Speaker 1: to a victim, or even close to a suspect. Learning

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Speaker 1: that someone you love was involved in a violent crime

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Speaker 1: is never an easy truth to swallow, right, And so

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Speaker 1: we want to share the difficult lessons we've learned throughout

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Speaker 1: our healing process because it's a journey, it's a never

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Speaker 1: ending journey, and we want to shed light on the

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Speaker 1: stories of people like us. Facing evil is about being

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Speaker 1: the light in the dark. Can I just repeat that?

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Speaker 1: Say that again? Let me say it again. Listen, being

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Speaker 1: the light in the dark. It's about moving upward and

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Speaker 1: onward and never ever letting the evil define you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, say that and let that resonate and sink in. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And each week we're going to talk about a different case.

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Speaker 1: So yes, we're gonna bring you the fact. We're going

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Speaker 1: to tell you about what happened. But no one can

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Speaker 1: can talk about a story coming from what we've come

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Speaker 1: hope that we can help people just find some some healing, right,

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Speaker 1: And we know that there are dozens of cases for

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Speaker 1: know about us. First and foremost, Yvette and I were

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