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Speaker 1: Haven't done this in a while.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and give our top ten Mets prospects

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Speaker 2: going into the twenty twenty five season. We'd love to

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Speaker 2: talk prospects over here on the mess Up channel, so

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Speaker 2: the prospect content that would give you throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: We've got our ten favorites, myself and James. James, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna lead it with you. Started off who you got

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Speaker 2: at number ten? Got my number ten prospect? And again, guys,

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Speaker 2: Mark and I didn't confer these lists. We've not seen

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Speaker 2: each other's list. We're going head to head right here.

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Speaker 2: My number ten is recent Mets draft pick Jonathan Santucci,

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Speaker 2: big left handed pitcher out of Duke. We gave a

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Speaker 2: lot of great insight on John Santucci once he got

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Speaker 2: in the draft. But the thing to know is here

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Speaker 2: we have a big left handed pitcher with a fastball

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Speaker 2: good backspin, that good ivyb that good carry that gets

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Speaker 2: twenty inches in verid vertical break, which would be some

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Speaker 2: of the highest any left handed pitcher in baseball in general.

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Speaker 2: And last year in college is with Duke had a

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Speaker 2: which is tremendous. Also had been one of the best

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Speaker 2: in Major League. Of course comparatively it's college, but just

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Speaker 2: saying when he throws that pitch in the zone gets

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Speaker 2: great slider, had over fifty percent with fray of Duke

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Speaker 2: that I can work against right handed batters. So right

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Speaker 2: now you have a lefty who it was a college

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Speaker 2: you have someone that already has three pitches that can

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Speaker 2: get hitters out. That change up is going to be

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Speaker 2: the real key to him for him to be a

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Speaker 2: starter in the Major League. Any pitcher that gets drafted

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Speaker 2: kind of always on the edge of reliever star the line,

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Speaker 2: but having the massive slider, having a fastball works against

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Speaker 2: can get right handed right handed to heathers out. I

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Speaker 2: think John Stantucci could be the next big pitching Mets

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was definitely considering Santucci just because we didn't get

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Speaker 1: I left him off of my top ten.

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Speaker 2: But as you said, second round pick in the last draft,

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Speaker 2: there's definitely some hype and some helium around Jonathan san too.

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Speaker 1: She can't wait to see him get on the mountain.

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Speaker 2: I end up going with Boston Barrow, someone who I

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Speaker 2: feel like might make it onto your list. He ended

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Speaker 2: up getting called up to High A in Brooklyn last

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Speaker 2: as a nineteen year old. Granted it wasn't great, but

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Speaker 2: we know left handed hitters always struggle in Brooklyn because

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Speaker 2: not including any players that have major league time, major

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Speaker 2: league service time on this list. We are just simply

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Speaker 2: talking about prospects right now, so you're not gonna see

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Speaker 2: a Kunya or Mauricio Christian Scott, those kind of guys.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I like about.

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Speaker 2: Barrow did really, really well as nineteen year old in

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Speaker 2: Saint Lucy and Lowe had a near eight hundred ops.

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Speaker 2: Seems like he can play a bunch of infield position,

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Speaker 2: second base, third base, even a little bit of shortstop,

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Speaker 2: a really nice left handed swing, and he's just gotten

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Speaker 2: Boston Barrow, who the Mets kind of snuck away as

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Speaker 3: Things definitely going for Boston Barrem have you had them?

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Speaker 3: Transitions nicely. He's my number nine prospector. He gots top

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Speaker 3: He was a UCLA commit. You don't really often get

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Speaker 3: That was still good enough for the Mess to jump

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Speaker 3: him up to high A Brooklyn. I don't know what's

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Speaker 3: This has becomes the super prospect and someone that plays

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The guy for me at number nine is similar in

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Speaker 2: Morribido's a guy who I just kind of can't ignore.

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Speaker 2: So I've got him at number nine. He's an outfielder.

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Speaker 2: I it seems like athleticism wise, he could play centerfield,

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Speaker 2: He's really good athlete, and he's put up two seasons

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Speaker 2: Yes, five point thirty of that on base percentage came

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Speaker 2: I'm just really interested in what this guy could be.

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Speaker 2: It seems like there might be a higher floor player

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's good, and you do love morebio.

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Speaker 3: Morbio is also like super fits the mall to the players.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to this is gonna sound funny. It's hard

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Speaker 3: And you just did your center field of rankings for

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Speaker 3: things happened. I can't imagine that this is a guy

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Speaker 3: He's gotten a little too thick, little too thick. Boy,

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Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be stuck in a corner. And if

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Speaker 3: home runs, it's hard to find your art, Like it's

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Speaker 3: hard to find the way that you are, like one

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Speaker 3: hundred sixty two game a year player in the major leagues.

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Speaker 3: But I'm never gonna doubt Drew Gilbert like he's a dog,

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Speaker 3: he's a monster, He's a hairs on fire every time

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Speaker 3: he plays baseball. Still love him, but definitely have to

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Speaker 2: I have I've drew Gilbert a little bit higher up

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Speaker 1: The control wasn't necessarily as good. He wasn't shre as

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Speaker 2: The stuff is crazy, The stuff is out of control

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Speaker 3: Last night, before it was did I still saw Hayes

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Speaker 3: In terms of egs Vlasi the second highest average egx

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Speaker 3: The only one who was higher than him was Josuaite Persano,

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Speaker 3: The only thing with Bias again similar to Gilbert, is

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Speaker 3: Hastess bias is. The men's been trying him a little

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Speaker 3: bit shortstop, which tells me that, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: He played.

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Speaker 3: If he gets into Brooklyn similar to the Boston borrow,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got him a little bit higher. I'm buying

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Speaker 2: I hate them doing this, and I'm gonna admit right now,

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Speaker 2: But the imbase percentage is crazy, three seventy on base

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Speaker 2: there's nothing to really complain about. I'm just worried more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, again, great transition because I had Ryan Clifford. Next

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Speaker 3: I've heard some research that says if ever every year

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Speaker 2: You can look back at his twenty fifteen season on

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Speaker 3: But again, he's still played all of last year just

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Speaker 3: which is that's freaky levels. It's he is the one

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Speaker 3: Just not it's not quite exactly there perfectly right this second.

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Speaker 2: There's super a world where just thinking about what the

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Speaker 2: that Mark Fantos won't be playing well, but maybe he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you not call him up?

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Speaker 3: It's probably a three five to seven percent chance that happening.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just putting it out there right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've throw a lot of things out and we've

435
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Speaker 2: been pretty good so far, so I'm gonna throw that

436
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,200
Speaker 2: one out there as well.

437
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,600
Speaker 3: We haven't remember the hits.

438
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna jump to number six.

439
00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,960
Speaker 2: For me, We've already mentioned him, so I'm not gonna

440
00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,040
Speaker 2: talk too much about him at Hazu's bias is six

441
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,720
Speaker 2: and I had Drew Gilbert at five, so I think

442
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,120
Speaker 2: we've kind of covered a lot of the same players

443
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,240
Speaker 2: in that same range. And again, Drew Gilbert for me,

444
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,520
Speaker 2: he's just a dog. I'm taking that X dog all

445
00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,160
Speaker 2: the way and I'm just chalking up bad year last

446
00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,400
Speaker 2: season to the fact that he was injured. I'm also

447
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,000
Speaker 2: chalking that up too, is maybe why we think he

448
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,680
Speaker 2: could not be as much of a center fielder, just

449
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,280
Speaker 2: thinking that maybe with a fully healthy year he might

450
00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 2: be a little bit more athletic next season, we'll take

451
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:55,760
Speaker 2: a look and see.

452
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,600
Speaker 3: Totally hope for that. But also a guy like Drew Gilbert,

453
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,680
Speaker 3: who's just like Muscle Hampster, get a little, he get that,

454
00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,440
Speaker 3: and that's wide things start to get pull. I think

455
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,000
Speaker 3: he's too much, He's too much of a good attitude

456
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,800
Speaker 3: guy that ever quit So but I just can't. I

457
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,520
Speaker 3: just I don't think the seeling the same place still.

458
00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,800
Speaker 2: And to be honest, what Mets will probably trade him

459
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,960
Speaker 2: given any opportunity if they get pitching for him.

460
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think most of these guys would.

461
00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,399
Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't happen in between recording this, in

462
00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 3: between I think it out. But my number five, another

463
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,159
Speaker 3: guy we talked about a lot. It's not gonna do

464
00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,720
Speaker 3: a lot on him. But Nolan McLean, he's just he's

465
00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,600
Speaker 3: part of this Mets new pitch trade revolution. The minor

466
00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,720
Speaker 3: leagues were like, we want fastballs, we want sweepers, we

467
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,040
Speaker 3: want velocity, like we want pitch movement. We don't really

468
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,200
Speaker 3: care about pitch stats these guys anymore. And in the

469
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,040
Speaker 3: fact that Nolan McLean is no longer a two way player,

470
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,600
Speaker 3: is going to be the first full season of his life.

471
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,359
Speaker 3: He's not trying to do both things a full off

472
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,080
Speaker 3: season only focusing on pitching. I think that's kind of

473
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 3: part of the inverse of what you were saying about

474
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,680
Speaker 3: there's a long way to go, we need some development.

475
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,000
Speaker 3: He really did have a lot of trouble at Double A,

476
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,360
Speaker 3: but you should have that's one of the biggest jumps

477
00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,520
Speaker 3: you're going to have in the minor league. It's not

478
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,560
Speaker 3: probably the biggest from hiaa Double A. It's the fact

479
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,480
Speaker 3: that he has the crazy fast balls guy with ninety

480
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,440
Speaker 3: eight miles. Now he has a sweeper that already would

481
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,360
Speaker 3: be one of the best pitches in Majorleague Baseball given

482
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 3: the chance. He had a cother little tight slide that

483
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,600
Speaker 3: he was working on last year that really bridges those

484
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,280
Speaker 3: two pitches together. I've heard a lot of coaches. Ernest

485
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,360
Speaker 3: Dove tweeted about this Mets prospect connoisseur that coaches love

486
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 3: Nolan McLean. Apparently he's a sponge, eager to learn, wants

487
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,280
Speaker 3: to get better, and that's a big thing with a

488
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,879
Speaker 3: guy in McLean who came in as a massive project

489
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 3: and has probably already inside your organization been considered a massive,

490
00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:20,840
Speaker 3: massive hit.

491
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that is very much the kind

492
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,640
Speaker 2: of players the Mets are looking for on the pitching side,

493
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,399
Speaker 2: probably just in general in the organization, Guys who aren't

494
00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,920
Speaker 2: satisfied with where they're at. They want to continue to

495
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,719
Speaker 2: get better. And one of those guys who's had an

496
00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,720
Speaker 2: unbelievable rise. And we just got a bunch of new

497
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,880
Speaker 2: information on his stuff days ago on Twitter from when

498
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,720
Speaker 2: we were recording this. Jonah Toong my number four prospect

499
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,720
Speaker 2: in the Mets organization. He was disgusting last year. He

500
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 2: was one of the most exciting pitching prospects in baseball.

501
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 2: Flew up the ranks. I think finished the year with

502
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,679
Speaker 2: a year forty percent k rate. Throughout the entire season

503
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 2: at low A, I think he had a fifty percent

504
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,719
Speaker 2: k rate. At one point, he had scoreless inning streaks.

505
00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,760
Speaker 2: His stuff was out of control. Good last year, and

506
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 2: he is someone who the Mets got their hands on.

507
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 2: They got him in the pitching lab. Eric Jaeger's Jeremy

508
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 2: after whatever it is, whoever's pulling all the strings making

509
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 2: everything happen, There's like a little piece of clay and

510
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,639
Speaker 2: they're turning into turning him into something that can be

511
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 2: hopefully a future frontline starter for the New York Mets.

512
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tong also was my number four guy, which is great,

513
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 3: great that we're in sync there. Bang boop. He's just

514
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 3: again in terms of pitch traits, which seems like the

515
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,080
Speaker 3: new Mets regime is more into than anything else. He

516
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,479
Speaker 3: could be the biggest freak in the minor leagues besides

517
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,360
Speaker 3: like Jackson Joe, like truthfully, like like the way he's

518
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,480
Speaker 3: a major league pictuer now, yeah, exactly, Like the way

519
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 3: he gets his fastball like our guy as a gro

520
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 3: that was like, I think his first big thread last

521
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 3: spring talked about how Tong releases the fastball so perfectly

522
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 3: above his head. It almost feels like he's releasing him

523
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,640
Speaker 3: from a lefty's armslot and a righty's arm slot because

524
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 3: so far back right here, he just bang, just gets

525
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 3: on the hitter.

526
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 2: You see on Twitter, they put like the overlap and

527
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 2: they're different sizes, but him and Tyler Glass now have

528
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 2: like the same release, which is crazy.

529
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe Isaac said that in his threat too

530
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,159
Speaker 3: and Jared Sidler prospect Extraordinariy at Baseball Perspectives said that

531
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 3: in terms of all pitchers that pitched in the PSL

532
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,400
Speaker 3: last year, which is in the league that Saint Lucy

533
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 3: played in. Joan Tong had and that's also where we

534
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 3: have stat casts. While we have his daya one hundred

535
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 3: percentile inverted vertical break in ninety fifth percentile cut, which

536
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 3: that means you have one of the best fastballs on Earth.

537
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 3: That's it to say that simply, and I'm looking at

538
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 3: other guy. TJ stats is a pitch movement plot for

539
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 3: Jonah Tong. Jonah Toong's fastball basically breaks his plot because

540
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 3: the inverted vertical break goes so far above the chart.

541
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 3: It's like it's like twenty two twenty three inches invert

542
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 3: vertical break. It's stupid, like that's a fastball that will

543
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 3: play all the time. He is a little smaller and

544
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 3: the control is still not good, so it's a little

545
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 3: bit of injury risk. He's also still only twenty one.

546
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 3: He won't even turn twenty two until the middle of

547
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 3: next June. He's still probably growing into his body a

548
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 3: little bit. And he actually got to double a last year.

549
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: Towards the end of the season, he had a start

550
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 3: against the Somerset Patriots. The Yankees double a team who's

551
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: always one of the best teams in that Eastern League.

552
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 3: They dominate over in the playoffs every single year. They

553
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 3: do great win. He went six innings, nine strikeouts, no hits,

554
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,479
Speaker 3: no rugs, no runs, struck outs. Bester owns for three

555
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 3: of those nice rackouts. Like this is a true, true,

556
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 3: true freak of nature. And if he's a twenty one

557
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 3: year old that starts the year in Double A with

558
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: these kind of pitch specs and that kind of twenty

559
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: twenty four season he had between low A and Hi A, like,

560
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: there's a chance that Jonah Tan goes nuclear and he

561
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 3: becomes one of the highest pitching prospects in the entire league.

562
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed. That would be amazing pitching.

563
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 2: Another dude, Who I am? I'm loving I'm loving even more.

564
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: Number three Carson Bench. I'm all about with the Carson

565
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: Bench hype train. I like, I love what we saw

566
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: in the very very small sample last year at a

567
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 2: ball fifteen games, a couple homers, a couple doubles, eight RBIs,

568
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 2: he stole bases. And the biggest thing here is it

569
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 2: looks like he might be able to play some center field,

570
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 2: which is awesome because he has a cannon of an arm,

571
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: He's a good athlete, and Baseball America on their right

572
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: up again for the twenty twenty five preseason Top ten

573
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: for the Mets. Benj shares some attributes with twenty fourteen

574
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: Mets first rounder Michael Confordo as the athletic, left handed

575
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: hitting college outfielder with all roundability. Ultimately, the hole may

576
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: be greater than the some of the parts, with Benj's

577
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: athleticism and work ethic being separators. So what more athletic

578
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: Michael Confordo, Yeah, I mean, sign me up. He gave

579
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 2: us like six amazing years. I'd love to see him

580
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: play center field like that.

581
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: I was looking American for those beginning of his career.

582
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 3: That decuse I wrote them up from a road the

583
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: world piece. It's he was stupid, how good he's so ez?

584
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: You're telling me this guy could be confordable but play

585
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 1: center field? What the fuck? Yeah?

586
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: I'm all in because funny you think about conford the

587
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: people loved I think it was before some of like

588
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: the baseball lexicon change in the public. They were like,

589
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: no guy knows how to use the opposite field, where

590
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 3: now that's something that bench is actually quite good at

591
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: but it's something that people don't like anymore. So you

592
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: had to get the pole power, pull power and pull power,

593
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: and Bench pulled the ball a lot last year when

594
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: that small sample he had in Saint Luci, he's over

595
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: fifty percent, but now fifty percent was higher. It was

596
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: the highest of all things. But he had over fifty

597
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: percent ground ball rate. That was the problem. Pulling on

598
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: the ground flyballs the opposite director. That's kind of the

599
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: opposite of what you want. That's the Brett Baity method

600
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: that has kept him as a quadrupule player, which is

601
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: not good. But all these things together, Bench is a

602
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: guy who should have dominated Saint Luci and he did

603
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: dominate one hundred fifty WRCUS as a college either twenty

604
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: one years old. That's great. He's going to be in

605
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: Brooklyn next seasons. Brooklyn team's gonna have a lot of talent.

606
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: Definitely a place we should go spend some time next.

607
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: Year before Ryan Lamber will be out there probably a little.

608
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: Then I will be out there with drigs and eggs.

609
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: But benj is someone that with the athleticism, with the

610
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: work ethic, with playing center field, this is a this

611
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 3: is a floor pick it is, and that's why, like

612
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: I really wanted to put him behind Joonah Thang, but

613
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: just just so much there's so much more floor on

614
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: Carson Bench, especially as a first round pick. It just

615
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 3: looks like if things click right for Carson Bench, again

616
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: it's an upshot, but things even don't click right, you

617
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: just have a really good player and that's awesome.

618
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, which would be great? All right?

619
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Speaker 2: Number two, I got a feeling we're gonna disagree here.

620
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: I went Brandon Sproa at number two.

621
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: Who'd you go?

622
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: I went Jet Williams.

623
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so, and Jet Williams is my number one. So

624
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: who do we want to talk about first year? Let's

625
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: want to go Jet Williams first.

626
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Speaker 3: We go Jet Williams first.

627
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

628
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 2: So the reason I went Jet Williams number one over

629
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: Brandon Sprote is I just chalk up last year to

630
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: a lost season, the hand injury, everything, like we saw

631
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: him out in the Fall League. Like Jet is a

632
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: premier athlete, which again, as you know, I love the

633
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: athleticism stuff, especially with young players. You kind of just

634
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 2: can't teach dudes to be much faster and more athletic

635
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: than they already are. When they're like twenty years old.

636
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: And in the Fall League, while Jet wasn't dominant, he

637
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: did all the same stuff that he always does. He

638
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: gets on base, hits the ball hard, can play a

639
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: bunch of positions, played the outfield a bunch two and

640
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: looked really good out there. We had him on the podcast,

641
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: we talked to him. He's willing to play anywhere, to

642
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: learn any position. He wants to be a part of

643
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: this met's future. Wants to be a major league baseball player.

644
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: And he knows that he lost a lot of time

645
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: last year dar the injury, but even him, he like

646
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: mentions like it was really cool that I got to

647
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: even play some games at tripa A, knowing that I

648
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: was struggling a little bit in Double A during the season.

649
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: Like he has such an interesting build that you don't

650
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: see too often, where he's a smaller guy who plays

651
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: a lot bigger than he actually is. And I know,

652
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: like I feel like a lot of people love to

653
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: throw the Jose Altuve thing, and it's just like not

654
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: fair because Jose al Tuv is a Hall of Famer

655
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,239
Speaker 2: and Jet Williams is twenty one, not even twenty one

656
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: years old. Yet I don't think he might have just

657
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: turned it actually in November. But I'm really excit because

658
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: the athleticism is there, the backball skills are there. It's

659
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: now just about putting it all together for a full

660
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: healthy season for Jet.

661
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it was really important, I think for Jet

662
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: to go to the AFL because while he had the injury,

663
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: it was the ankle, right, and he did wind up

664
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: re injuring the ankle, but he still got through.

665
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: Didn't hurt his hand too. At one point I thought,

666
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: as well.

667
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah the hand, talked about the surgery at the hand.

668
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was he.

669
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: I thought it was really pointing to go out there

670
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: because he went through his whole season again and trial's tribulations,

671
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: it was injuries, lost season whatever. He did not hit

672
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: the professional home run this year in the minor leagues,

673
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: and I think for a guy like Jet who was

674
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: at his size, the powers always going to the thing

675
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: that gets called into question. He has to be able

676
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: to hit for at least a modic of power to

677
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: be considered this breakthrough impact prospect that he's been builded

678
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: as as a first round pick that I think he

679
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 3: can and will be. So for him to go to

680
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: the afil get the ball over the fence a few times.

681
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: I think it's just great to see that happen. A

682
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: love extra base hits a couple triples as well. For me,

683
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: it's just in terms of the number one prospect in

684
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: the Mets system, I was wrist. It was risk injury

685
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: and ankle ye rist, and again risk SAPs your power.

686
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: So again not holding it against him, but the power

687
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: went down this year. Just nice to see the ball

688
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: go over the fence a few times, as simply as

689
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: I could possibly put it. But in terms of the

690
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: best prospect in the system, it's hard for me to

691
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: think that, Like, do you think Jet Williams Ever hits

692
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: twenty home runs the Major League Baseball season?

693
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: I think he can, Yeah, I do.

694
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: I actually think that Jet will hit twenty and I

695
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: don't think it's much higher than twenty, which again, which

696
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: is all I was like, please everyone stop saying Jose

697
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: al too based stuff because Altuve hit like thirty five

698
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: home runs, but I think he can very much be

699
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: like a twenty homer, twenty five stole and base a

700
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: year guy. And I think, to me, that's like that's

701
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: borderline top prospect stuff right there. It's at least in

702
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: the conversation. Yeah, I'd love to get Jet. I mean,

703
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: I want him to develop as he has to developed.

704
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: I'd love to see Jet Williams and a lot of

705
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: these other guys in Triple A at some point because

706
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: I want to be able to see how hard he's

707
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: hitting the ball. Because last year, if you guys are

708
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast, is this summer Mark and I

709
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: especially me kind of flipped on Louis on Hellicunya after

710
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: he got through that horrible first Mother Triple A because

711
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's hitting the ball really hard

712
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: and very consistently. He's not getting the top end eggs

713
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: of last season, but every single ball he's playing the

714
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: play a hundred five hundred six hundred six hundred six

715
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: and he got to I think one O nine biggest

716
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: for the season. I'd like to see Jet being able

717
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 2: to live in that world and possibly get some more

718
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: upshot past that, because just being able to hit the

719
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: ball hard consistently is going to be his defining factor

720
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: with being like a fine baseball player and someone who's

721
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: like a four win player, and that that's going to

722
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: be a big difference between again, whether he can be

723
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: the top prospect, the impact guy, or again just another ballplayer.

724
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: Now, go ahead and talk about your boy sprote who

725
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: you've been.

726
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: You've been all over since the start, and gotta say,

727
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean listen, I got him at too, and there

728
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: was thought about him at number one.

729
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: He was so ridiculously good last year, Like, oh my god.

730
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: No, it was stupid. Again. I wanted to congratulate everyone

731
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: listened to this podcast because we did it together. We

732
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: made brandonsbro the top hundred prospect. He's like a top

733
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 3: thirty prospect now in some list, which is amazing from

734
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: where we were last year when I was banging that drum.

735
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: But he's he just has he has legit ace upside,

736
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: He's the mess best prospect in the system. It's is

737
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: a testament to how great this new pitching lab and

738
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: pitching development is the Mets are doing, and also how

739
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: great the college scatting has been. Just how much how

740
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: clean this Mets draft process seems to have been the

741
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: last few years since his new regime has taken over.

742
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: But he has one hundred mile in an hour fastball,

743
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: He has a nasty curve ball, he has a discussing

744
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: change up. He has a stink slyther. He's got four

745
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: pitches like that that can play in the major league

746
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: level right now, and he's he's we still have a

747
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: couple more months probably until he gets there, but it's

748
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: a good chance we see him in twenty twenty five.

749
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: The change up is also a crazy out pitch. It's

750
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: a big issue sometimes these guys getting to the major

751
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: leagues being able to face guys on both sides of

752
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: the plate. His changeup allows him to do that. I

753
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: remember it was my favorite thing about Sprout last year,

754
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: which made everything like sink into me and be like,

755
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: this guy could be a lot different. It was his

756
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: second start in Double A. I don't remember who was against,

757
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: but he was facing a lefty and he threw this

758
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: guy a backdoor slider for strike one, a curveball in

759
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: the dirt for strike two, and then a whiff change

760
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: up fading away for strike three, and I was like,

761
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: holy shit, like that, there's no pictures in their first

762
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: full professional season that can do things like that. He

763
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: the comfortability to do that to a left handed bather

764
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: in your second start in a new level that's much

765
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: more advanced and level you just dominated as crazy by

766
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: the end of the year, he had the second highest

767
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: strikeout my his walk right of any picture that was

768
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: in Double A. Triple A was not very good, but

769
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: Triple A is super weird. We've talked about that lot.

770
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm happy for Sprote. I'm proud of the

771
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: Mets pitching development. I really really hope we get another

772
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: big year. We get like the Christian Scott in April

773
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: and May, and by June we have in the city field.

774
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: That's honestly exactly what I was gonna say.

775
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: I was like, give us a couple good months in

776
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: Triple A, show us again that, like there's been improvements

777
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: that you made during the offseason, that you are a

778
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: capable major league pitcher, and hopefully we see like Christian Scott,

779
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: uh just maybe not making your debut in Tampa Bay.

780
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the only man still pitchball there though.

781
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: Did pitch well, pitch really well? That game with that

782
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: game was electric. That star was so good. Can't wait

783
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: for him to come back. I know.

784
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: I remember I was at that Braves game to start

785
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: after and I was like die chilled, so like, I

786
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: can't believe how good this guy's going to be. This

787
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: is the best and then his elbow popped.

788
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Dude, how insane is that? This is gonna be the end?

789
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: By the way, we have no more prospects to talk

790
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: about here.

791
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: That's what're ten. We did that.

792
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: That is our one through ten.

793
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: But just for the people who are sticking around a

794
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: little bit past us, maybe on the podcast or YouTube,

795
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: Christian Scott pitched in twenty twenty four like that, that's

796
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: like that. That season was so insanely long that Christian

797
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: Scott made nine starts and he wasn't even a big

798
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: part at all of the playoff run.

799
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: No, literally, and he's someone that would have we would

800
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: have been able to help a.

801
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: Lot if we could have had him there, which is

802
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: at least a big releasement after hose Kinana throws four.

803
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, god, it's a shame.

804
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think this mess prospect list right

805
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: now is it is deeper than we've had in a

806
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: long time. And again we didn't mention guys like Ryan

807
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: Rizo is going to contribute to major league team and

808
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: Luis on Halaicunya. Those are two guys who are going

809
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: to be competing for spots in opening day, be in

810
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: direct competition to challenge Jef McNeil for a second base,

811
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: and we all know how their bait is going to

812
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: wind up.

813
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: E there.

814
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: But this Mets team, this new generation of the Mets,

815
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: we're going to have high paid superstars filling out a

816
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: good part of our roster. It's vital that we have young, inexpensive,

817
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: controllable hitters who are trustworthy and solid, and pitchers that

818
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: we can put on this team and still compete for

819
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: playoff spot and World Series ranks. And that's I think

820
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: what we've been able to do these last few years.

821
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: That system. I think that's a really, really great thing.

822
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a very long time since you've been

823
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: able to talk about ten Mets prospects that you think

824
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: all could eventually make the major leagues.

825
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: It's not been that easy.

826
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: And with like flying colors like make it be like Dan,

827
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna be good.

828
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's a good spot.

829
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: Steve Cohen said he wanted to build the farm along

830
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: with building up this major league ross. Seems like he's

831
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: doing it. We'd love to know who your guys favorite

832
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: prospect is in the comments actual you can tweeted at us.

833
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: Let us know what you're thinking, maybe you got some

834
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: information you want us to know. We'd love to hear it.

835
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: We appreciate all the feedback.

836
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: As always, enjoy your guys, holidays, Merry Christmas, happy holidays,

837
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: whatever is going on.

838
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys, and thank you so much. That's it.

839
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Speaker 1: That's all we got. Follow James on.

840
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: Twitter at James Underscore, Chiano Draffick mark with a C.

841
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: We'll catch you all in the next episode.

842
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: Peace Out, peace Out, See you guys next time. Let's

843
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: go Mets.