Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.
Speaker 1: This week, we have a very exciting guest, Greg Grippo.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. Thank for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh, no problem. You are a hot commodity in Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 1: My friends were freaking out when they heard I was
Speaker 1: having you on.
Speaker 2: My Is that right? That's sweet of though.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they were freaking out.
Speaker 3: It's honestly weird for me to even think about that
Speaker 3: because it's been so long at this point, and it
Speaker 3: was just a short stint in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So from the Bachelor at your life has changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely has.
Speaker 1: Everyone fell in love with you on the show.
Speaker 2: And everyone hated me for a little bit too.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got the love and the hate. I
Speaker 1: mean that's normal in any scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Before I get into talking about Katie or anything, I
Speaker 1: also just want to say setting my thoughts in prayers.
Speaker 1: I know she's battling breast cancer right now, So before
Speaker 1: I talk about anything, you reach out to her at
Speaker 1: all or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I sent her a message, Yeah, just sending her of
Speaker 3: my best wishes, you know. I mean, that's terrible, but
Speaker 3: she's a tough cookie. I believe in her, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I really am praying for and hope she gets through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were twenty seven when you were on Katie
Speaker 1: season of The Bacherrette. I was were you ready for marriage?
Speaker 2: Was I twenty seven or was I twenty six? And
Speaker 2: I turned twenty seven when it aired. I was twenty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was twenty seven. Was I ready for marriage?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I think that looking at your life now, yeah, looking at.
Speaker 3: Your life now, Like looking back, I definitely don't think
Speaker 3: I was ready. But in the moment, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can do this. Yeah, I can definitely be ready
Speaker 3: if it's the right one. And I truly believed that
Speaker 3: at the time. But I mean, look, that's why you
Speaker 3: went on there exactly. But looking back on it now,
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no shot that I was ready. I
Speaker 3: also wasn't in like a mental state, like it was
Speaker 3: too soon in my opinion, after my dad passed to
Speaker 3: get into something like that, and like I just didn't
Speaker 3: have the capacity.
Speaker 2: Even like see that or understand that at that time.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: It's okay, it's all right. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So do you feel like it was almost impulse in
Speaker 1: a way or trying to deal with grieve in different
Speaker 1: types of way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. I mean I think that I was.
Speaker 3: I mean the show called me for a few seasons
Speaker 3: prior to that, and I kept on turning them down,
Speaker 3: and then eventually I was in a spot and I
Speaker 3: think that I was just like looking for that new
Speaker 3: chapter in my life to kind of just you know,
Speaker 3: open up for myself and try something new.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did that, but like looking back on I remember
Speaker 3: watching and I'm like, oh my god, this wasn't right
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, looking back on yourself on TV sometimes it's brutal.
Speaker 2: It's so hard brutal. No, it's brutal.
Speaker 1: It's so brutal, Like the cringiest moment.
Speaker 3: I had so many cringe moments on that show. Oh
Speaker 3: my god. Now my friends don't let me live down.
Speaker 2: Honestly.
Speaker 3: They'll always like send like a weird clip that they
Speaker 3: have like screen recorded, and I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 1: Of course. I mean I've I've been on TV since
Speaker 1: I was eight.
Speaker 2: Eight yearyears old. Yeah, holy, you're like a Kardashian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess different levels.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, realm. I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, my mom's been on the Real house I
Speaker 1: was in New Jersey since I was eight.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: She's been like in the Bravo world for eighteen years.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Obviously, you know, growing up in Jersey, I knew what
Speaker 3: Real Housewives in New Jersey was, but I just never
Speaker 3: really watched TV growing up.
Speaker 2: But that's crazy. Eight years old even in this for
Speaker 2: a minute.
Speaker 1: It was no. It was nuts. Yeah, But as a
Speaker 1: little kid, as a girly girl, it was no big deal.
Speaker 1: I wanted a movie star. I saw the cameras, I
Speaker 1: thought everything was so much fun. But then I did
Speaker 1: my waking Up in the Morning song when I was
Speaker 1: like nine years old, and that have ever heard that?
Speaker 2: I don't think so you definitely have if you're on
Speaker 2: TikTok really.
Speaker 1: Okay during COVID, do you remember that sound where the
Speaker 1: kid sounds like she's crying, saying waking up in the morning,
Speaker 1: thinking about.
Speaker 2: Waking up in the morning, that was you shut up? Wait,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Me and all my friends always say that to one another,
Speaker 3: like if something.
Speaker 2: Goes that's you. Oh no, oh my gosh, that's me.
Speaker 2: That was you.
Speaker 1: That was totally me. Oh my, So imagine COVID We're
Speaker 1: all on lockdown and I'm scrolling through chaos.
Speaker 2: Four years ago. Also you looked like a toddler.
Speaker 1: Yeah I wasn't That wasn't me four years ago?
Speaker 2: You were twenty years or oh, that wasn't you four
Speaker 2: years ago? Oh okay, okay. I was about to say,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Oh it was like eight or nine, gotcha. And but
Speaker 1: four years ago is when it popped off out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: So in my brain, I'm like, I sang.
Speaker 3: That that's so great though, that's iconic.
Speaker 2: Though, good for you as iconic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I look at it as iconic. I own it.
Speaker 1: It's a part of me. That's it. But when I
Speaker 1: was sitting there four years ago and I'm scrolling and
Speaker 1: every other video is another like a list celebrity using
Speaker 1: my sound, yeah, I was like, this isn't happening. I
Speaker 1: feel like I was like living in like some sort
Speaker 1: of a dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like some black mirror.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, And when did I ever?
Speaker 1: Like I would have never thought in a million years
Speaker 1: that that would have came out. Now I love that
Speaker 1: blessing in disguise.
Speaker 2: I guess can you say it right now? Waking up
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Moment, waking up in the morning, thinking about so many things.
Speaker 2: I just wish life can get better.
Speaker 1: I try to try to get rid of them, but
Speaker 1: nothing seems to say the same. Wow, wow, thank you,
Speaker 1: no problem, that's your entertainment for this podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so we've all had our cringe moments for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh I wish I had that one, But I appreciate
Speaker 3: you telling me that it's okay.
Speaker 1: I hope that made you feel better. Yeah. So then,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you and Katie kind of did
Speaker 1: it on some bad terms when the Batchelor ended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that part of it was sad
Speaker 3: because we yeah, we just left on not the greatest
Speaker 3: of terms. But I mean we hashed it out fairly
Speaker 3: quickly after the show. She reached out and you know,
Speaker 3: we made amends right away, and I mean it was
Speaker 3: squashed after that. But yeah, in the midst of it all,
Speaker 3: I wish I handled things differently. Looking back on it all, do.
Speaker 1: You wish you stayed after you said I love you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I I was in the airport right after
Speaker 3: I said it, and I remember I was really regretful
Speaker 3: of leaving, and like, I don't think I under I
Speaker 3: kind of almost attempted to.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I was texting producers non stop, you know, trying to
Speaker 3: go back and trying to see if you know, she
Speaker 3: was engaged not. But I didn't get any reply, and
Speaker 3: like I realized at that time, I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, this maybe wasn't the right setting for me
Speaker 3: to be in this point in time, and I just
Speaker 3: try to move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think the environment of the show played
Speaker 1: into just a lot of your emotions heightened situations?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think that if you're going through something,
Speaker 3: especially in your own life, I mean, going on that
Speaker 3: show is not a good idea. I mean, You're you're
Speaker 3: going to be put putt in a tough environment where
Speaker 3: you know, you're not going to be able to get
Speaker 3: seven eight hours of sleep, nine hours of sleep maybe sometimes,
Speaker 3: and you're going to be running on like three to four,
Speaker 3: and your emotions are going to be heightened, and and uh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be you know, wine involved, and you're not
Speaker 3: going to really see the best version of yourself sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So you know, being being there in a good foundation
Speaker 3: I think is the only move really.
Speaker 1: So then after the season ended, I mean, looking back now,
Speaker 1: you realize that that was probably the best decision for yourself.
Speaker 1: How did you handle all the backlash because you know,
Speaker 1: you were feeling regretful for leaving then. Obviously the Bachelor
Speaker 1: Nation fans are very intense. Yeah they are, so how
Speaker 1: did you cope with that?
Speaker 3: I think I just felt very misunderstood a lot of
Speaker 3: the time, and directly after, you know, there was just
Speaker 3: like all these things about like I was putting on
Speaker 3: an act and stuff, and.
Speaker 2: It was scary.
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed, truthfully, So I really didn't want to
Speaker 3: leave the house that often. I mean I would with like,
Speaker 3: you know, my best friends, my family and stuff, but
Speaker 3: I would just keep a close knit circle, truthfully. And
Speaker 3: I just tried to move on, I really did. I
Speaker 3: just try to put it in the back of me
Speaker 3: and just, yeah, move forward.
Speaker 2: But it was tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all you can do with anything that
Speaker 1: happens that sucks. That's the worst part. I feel like
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation fans, Bravo fans, I feel whenever you're on
Speaker 1: such as a reality TV show. Yeah, the fans are
Speaker 1: very intense. Yeah, and they have they have a big opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like every rally show, there's so many of
Speaker 3: them nowadays, but I feel like everyone has like the
Speaker 3: Ride or Die fan base at this point, So you
Speaker 3: just gotta be ready ready.
Speaker 2: Is that whatever one you're in here?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did they reach out to you to be the Bachelor?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did it, just it wasn't the right timing. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it was directly after my season, so.
Speaker 1: You were just dealing with a lot of back lives.
Speaker 3: I was, and it just I was I was straight
Speaker 3: up with them. I was like, guys, I'm not too
Speaker 3: ready for this, and we just you know, parted ways
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they never reached out to you ever like
Speaker 1: since then. No, No, you would be a great contender.
Speaker 2: A contender for the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Would you do it now or you feel like that's
Speaker 1: so behind you now?
Speaker 2: Be the Bachelor?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I envisioned myself and like, you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully after my parents being the role models they were
Speaker 3: and their marriage, I really, you know, would like it.
Speaker 3: And I understand that there are real love stories that
Speaker 3: come out of the show. I just uh, I think
Speaker 3: I would have anxiety truthfully about you know, for instance,
Speaker 3: sometimes people don't know who they're going on for. I
Speaker 3: think that would be one thing that I would want
Speaker 3: to happen, is that they don't usually like tell people
Speaker 3: beforehand who it's going to be, and so I would
Speaker 3: want them to know prior. You know, if like people
Speaker 3: are going to on the on the show to get engaged,
Speaker 3: I would want them to know who they're going on for.
Speaker 3: And so I think people being like one hundred percent
Speaker 3: in for you is just I think that.
Speaker 2: Would create more success also for the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's actually a good point. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: because it kind of is like love is blind in
Speaker 1: a way, in a way that show you're going and
Speaker 1: blind and then I mean you're figuring out if you
Speaker 1: have a connection or not. But I mean, please, I
Speaker 1: feel like if anyone heard Grippo is going to be
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, you would have a line out the door.
Speaker 2: That's a nice thing.
Speaker 1: So since then do you kind of just want to
Speaker 1: want it to happen the organic way?
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I uh, I haven't really counted out
Speaker 3: anything in life said you know, if something happened organically,
Speaker 3: I would do that. I never really wanted to ever
Speaker 3: say like point blank no, I would never do like
Speaker 3: another show, but you know, I have faith in myself
Speaker 3: that it's gonna happen, just more organically for me probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, speaking of anxiety and everything like that,
Speaker 1: when you are on a reality TV show, it puts
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on yourself absolutely, and then like
Speaker 1: you you already dealt with the backlash of the fan,
Speaker 1: so to really put yourself in that position again, like
Speaker 1: you said, it would definitely give you anxiety, anyone anxiety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean you know that you can only
Speaker 3: show so much of one per it also depends what
Speaker 3: they use. That's true too, So like I think that was,
Speaker 3: you know, the one thing for me. And maybe it
Speaker 3: was a time of life that I was in where
Speaker 3: I just maybe looked perpetually sad throughout the day. But
Speaker 3: I have such like I I guess my face looks
Speaker 3: sad when it settles, and so everyone always like if
Speaker 3: I'm at a bar, at a party or something, people like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong. And it's always happened to me ever since
Speaker 3: high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a resting bitch face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you understand.
Speaker 3: So I mean that happened on the show and then
Speaker 3: I just looked sad, and then I just got labeled
Speaker 3: as like a very sad, sad man, which like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to happen again if like, yeah, say I
Speaker 3: would ever do that?
Speaker 1: You know, and you have to be on especially if
Speaker 1: you were the Beast.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, clicking clicking, would.
Speaker 1: You ever do Paradise or any of those other shows?
Speaker 1: Or you feel like that's just not.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm going this year. Oh no, I'm just joking. No,
Speaker 2: they didn't even call them. I know, they didn't call me.
Speaker 3: No, honestly, if they called me, I was really truthfully
Speaker 3: on the fence about it if I were to go
Speaker 3: or not. But no, I mean they didn't call and
Speaker 3: kind of made my decision for me. So I mean
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to just move on to this
Speaker 3: next stage of my life for good and it feels good.
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're living your life. You are really
Speaker 1: big into influencing. Now I need to go on your TikTok.
Speaker 1: I feel people tell me you're hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I think I think it
Speaker 3: hits like a certain crowd, Like I appreciate that people
Speaker 3: laugh at my stuff sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's better for people to laugh
Speaker 1: at you than to people think that you're funny rather
Speaker 1: than people think you're cringe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean come on. Sometimes there's those guys that
Speaker 1: do tiktoks and I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it comes to a certain point. It's tough out here. Tough,
Speaker 1: it's stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, I cringe myself out sometimes, and like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I won't post that much maybe like I don't know,
Speaker 3: once every week and a half two weeks, yeah, but
Speaker 3: it's usually just like very in the moment for me
Speaker 3: with like something with like my friends or like I
Speaker 3: just I just got gifted a lounge set in Napa
Speaker 3: and it was it was a woman's and I put
Speaker 3: it on just a little.
Speaker 2: Dancing dance to it. You're a dancer, I mean I can.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm too good, but I think it's
Speaker 3: your confidence when you're dancing. You know, if you believe
Speaker 3: you're good, then I think other people will be like,
Speaker 3: oh he's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. I need to work on that. I
Speaker 1: work on my confidence while dancing. Not that confident.
Speaker 3: Just let it coach, just let it rip. Have like
Speaker 3: two glasses of wine. Next thing you know, you're saucaying.
Speaker 1: I need to build that confident my dancing skills. Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm oh my god, I just got done
Speaker 1: to this. Said, I'm gonna be in a wedding in
Speaker 1: Italy this May, and I'm walking out with obviously one
Speaker 1: of the groom's men, and we have to do this
Speaker 1: whole dance.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's my least favorite part.
Speaker 2: You better, that's my least.
Speaker 1: Favorite choreographed the dance, Brandon, because I have no idea
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, and I'm really nervous about this.
Speaker 3: Actually, I hate when they like announce people and like
Speaker 3: you gotta do dance. I think I think that's like
Speaker 3: my biggest nightmare. It's like almost the same as being
Speaker 3: in a in a class and like waiting for your
Speaker 3: turn to like say your names, and I would just
Speaker 3: stutter all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: No, I'm very nervous for this. He goes, as long
Speaker 1: as you know how to do the cotton eye, Joe,
Speaker 1: I go, we are not doing the cotton eye.
Speaker 2: Joe, Hey, that's funky.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy. And then we had
Speaker 1: to pick a song. I was like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know the song that he picked. Oh really, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to it. I'm repeating my card.
Speaker 2: Now are you really You're just like, oh, shit, shit, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to know is that like
Speaker 3: people don't care, you know, like we I think trick
Speaker 3: ourselves to be like, oh, this is the biggest thing
Speaker 3: for everyone, Like they're gonna think like I'm the weirdest
Speaker 3: person in the world.
Speaker 2: People don't give a shit. They're just like, all right,
Speaker 2: what's next?
Speaker 1: Ye're right, And honestly, it blows over the next day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know absolutely.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody will be going to bed and
Speaker 3: being like, did you see Gias danced Cotton Eye Joe?
Speaker 1: And I'm around my family. I need to like calm
Speaker 1: the nerves a little. But then again, myself, I want
Speaker 1: to have the best dance. Yeah, so it's like a
Speaker 1: weird thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I'm like, So, you also dated somebody else that was
Speaker 1: in Bachelor Nation, Victoria Fuller, and that relationship ended. How
Speaker 1: did that end? Are you guys on good terms?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean anytime with a breakup, you know, it's tough,
Speaker 3: no matter how it ends, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: But she's great. I really think the world of her.
Speaker 3: I know that she's probably killing I mean I don't
Speaker 3: look at her stuff, but she's probably killing it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'll always wish the best best for no matter what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you guys connect just because of like bachelor
Speaker 1: stuff like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. We met at a concert a while back.
Speaker 3: It was like directly after the show, our first time
Speaker 3: like meeting one another.
Speaker 2: That was like our first time meeting.
Speaker 3: It was like very you know quick, and then we
Speaker 3: just had mutual friends later on that we like hung
Speaker 3: out with from time time.
Speaker 1: So how were you right now? How many years ago
Speaker 1: were you on the Bachelorette?
Speaker 2: So I'm thirty one and.
Speaker 3: It was on geez, I think it was twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: So it's been a little over four years. Like I
Speaker 3: this is this is April, So I was still there
Speaker 3: actually four years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's a big change in your life. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a very big divot. Yeah, but now, okay, looking
Speaker 1: back on it four years later, are you dating anyone now?
Speaker 1: Are you? You know?
Speaker 2: I just went on a date recently. Yeah she was
Speaker 2: stunning beautiful. Yeah, I know, she really was, and she's
Speaker 2: she was really great.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm really just all I'm trying to
Speaker 3: do is just like be careful in my life because
Speaker 3: I just like want to date with intention truthfully, and
Speaker 3: I mean I feel ready for the next phase, and
Speaker 3: I truly do feel ready to be in a relationship.
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: So you're ready for marriage, but you don't also want
Speaker 1: it if you're going to slow down?
Speaker 3: No, I mean I want to get married. I mean
Speaker 3: I have nine nieces and nephews at this point.
Speaker 1: How many brothers?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the youngest of four, so two sisters, one brother.
Speaker 1: I'm one of four.
Speaker 2: Oh are you really? Are you the youngest?
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh wow? Okay, cool, so.
Speaker 1: Younger than me?
Speaker 2: Cool? All right? Got you?
Speaker 1: So there's two and two. Yeah, yeah for you guys,
Speaker 1: two girls, two boys is the same for you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: All girls?
Speaker 2: Oh shit?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cute. Though. I like the two and two.
Speaker 1: I'm just not having four kids, but I love the
Speaker 1: two and two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a great dynamic, and I mean, man,
Speaker 3: I just feel more ready for it. I mean, I
Speaker 3: want to buy a house soon and like get a
Speaker 3: talk eventually move in with someone. Like I don't want
Speaker 3: to put myself on any strict timeline.
Speaker 2: But I really hate going out nowadays. I just I
Speaker 2: don't enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I don't have a good time unless like I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in like you know, booth and chilling with my friends
Speaker 3: and just like talking to people who I love, then
Speaker 3: I'll enjoy it. But like, I don't like to go
Speaker 3: out with like, you know, one or two people and
Speaker 3: then we're just like standing there, like looking around and
Speaker 3: like almost being like, oh, yeah, she's cute.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm just not into it anymore. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: really not.
Speaker 1: So then would that like, are you interested in dating apps? Oh?
Speaker 2: I haven't been on one since before the show.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, so you are really on this happen
Speaker 1: organic train. I do not think you're into any of
Speaker 1: this anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean Instagram is technically like dating app nowadays when
Speaker 3: you think about it, No, you don't think so.
Speaker 1: I guess. So would you ever date someone that's let
Speaker 1: into your d MS? I feel like that's kind of
Speaker 1: different than a dating app?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like it's more personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they're genuinely reaching out to you to see
Speaker 1: your interest. So it's almost like a girl wanting to
Speaker 1: be one of your contestants on the batch.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I I think it's always easier to
Speaker 3: meet organically. I think that it's tough now, like, you know,
Speaker 3: especially like talking beforehand on a date, Like I enjoy
Speaker 3: meeting someone in person and like seeing how the vibes
Speaker 3: are right out the gate and just kind of cutting
Speaker 3: the bullshit, you know, and just you know, planning the
Speaker 3: date on Instagram and then oh, should we do dinner?
Speaker 2: And it's just like then we sit down.
Speaker 1: It is still kind of a blind date.
Speaker 2: Then we yeah, it kind of is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we sit down to dinner and just
Speaker 3: like the vibes are totally off and then we're both
Speaker 3: kind of sitting there like feeling bad for one another,
Speaker 3: and we just.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna get feeling in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never been in that scenario.
Speaker 2: It's not great.
Speaker 3: That's why I've kind of been reluctant to go out
Speaker 3: for like the last a little over a year now
Speaker 3: at this point, haven't been on too many dates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this one just went well.
Speaker 3: You know, we had some chicken fingers, French fries and
Speaker 3: a sprite love that yeah, and some wine.
Speaker 2: But yeah perfect.
Speaker 1: Well happy for you, that's awesome, thank you. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're happy with yourself and then once
Speaker 1: you get your home and your dog, I feel like
Speaker 1: everything will fall into place.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I think when you're not looking, that's when it really
Speaker 3: comes to you. Because I think I always put like
Speaker 3: my weight into relationships, especially growing up. I think I
Speaker 3: was always in a relationship ever since high school. So
Speaker 3: you were a relationship person, yeah, truly, And even after
Speaker 3: the show. Four months after the show, I started seeing
Speaker 3: someone and then that ended, and then you know, four
Speaker 3: or five months later I got into another relationship, and then,
Speaker 3: like I think, looking back on it, I really never
Speaker 3: took time off, like after the passing of my dad,
Speaker 3: which I really struggled with. I think that I just
Speaker 3: like I think I needed to figure out like my
Speaker 3: own dynamic, like with my family, in my own life,
Speaker 3: in my own grief before really like putting in all
Speaker 3: my you know, effort and being able to put all
Speaker 3: my effort into relationship because my mind.
Speaker 2: I feel like, which is like everywhere for so long.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's such a valid point.
Speaker 1: And I've even dealt with things in my life and
Speaker 1: you really have to heal by yourself, yeah, to move on.
Speaker 1: And you know, I feel how you said, you've always
Speaker 1: been in a relationship. You needed someone to lean on.
Speaker 1: You were looking for a person to just you know,
Speaker 1: make you feel good, help you get through things. But
Speaker 1: as much as that helps, it doesn't solve what you're
Speaker 1: really feeling inside. It's kind of almost like a band aid,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so it was scary for me to
Speaker 2: be a.
Speaker 3: Like for I don't know this last year, but I
Speaker 3: mean it shouldn't shouldn't have been. But I like six
Speaker 3: months in, I was like, wow, thank goodness, I'm doing
Speaker 3: this right now. And I really wasn't dating at all,
Speaker 3: like for like the first six or seven months.
Speaker 1: How do you think Greg is different than from Bachelor
Speaker 1: at Greg to now?
Speaker 2: I was so anxiety driven.
Speaker 3: I was so scared for my life and in terms
Speaker 3: of like what direction I was going to lead into.
Speaker 3: I truly like, especially after basketball. I played basketball my
Speaker 3: whole entire life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were telling me you were pretty good.
Speaker 2: I was all right.
Speaker 3: I was decent, yeah, And you know, I put in
Speaker 3: all my time and effort ever since I was seven
Speaker 3: eight years old into this one thing out of college.
Speaker 3: I truly had no idea what I wanted to do
Speaker 3: with my life, and so I had many many jobs,
Speaker 3: different side jobs, side gigs.
Speaker 2: I mean it was.
Speaker 3: Tough too, Like ubering was is not for the week
Speaker 3: of heart sometimes, especially if, like you know, your ego
Speaker 3: is fragile in a way too. I remember I picked
Speaker 3: up like this girl who I went on a date
Speaker 3: with prior, and like I couldn't have been more embarrassed.
Speaker 3: I just like felt like ashamed of the point where
Speaker 3: at which I shouldn't have been. You know, obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: people make their own living, but like my ego was
Speaker 3: so fragile, and like I was just an insecure person
Speaker 3: at the time, and I really didn't know where I
Speaker 3: wanted to go in life, and.
Speaker 2: I just like really struggled with that.
Speaker 3: And I think I'm just more confident in myself and situations,
Speaker 3: and like, you know, everyone has their own situation in life.
Speaker 3: And I learned to gain you know, more trust in
Speaker 3: myself as time went on and not putting so much
Speaker 3: weight into other people's thoughts or feelings of me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to. I feel like you need to
Speaker 1: do like a ted talk.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're giving You're giving great advice to the people.
Speaker 1: I'm like listening to you. I'm like, I need to
Speaker 1: take some of this advice for myself too. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day. It's true. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you said, you know, when you were younger, you were
Speaker 1: in a lot of relationships. Like you just said, now,
Speaker 1: basketball was your passion. It was everything that you knew.
Speaker 1: So at the same time of you going on The
Speaker 1: Bachelor atte you were also trying to figure yourself out.
Speaker 1: Things in your life weren't steady or consistent. So I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe also you were trying to find that
Speaker 1: consistency as well. But now you found it.
Speaker 3: I'm having a blast doing what I'm doing right now,
Speaker 3: and I'm truly grateful for it no matter what. It's hard,
Speaker 3: because you know, I feel like not so much nowadays,
Speaker 3: but even like a year ago, you find yourself just
Speaker 3: comparing yourself to other people online NonStop.
Speaker 1: It's hard when you're in the world of it as
Speaker 1: well too. Because you even just look at everything from
Speaker 1: your perspective of success and also being a content creator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're comparing both, you know, both categories. Rather than
Speaker 1: just as a viewer behind the phone, you're actually creating
Speaker 1: the content and looking at everyone else's as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty much like the thief of happiness honestly,
Speaker 3: as hard as it is sometimes because I mean I'll
Speaker 3: have my moments still to this day where I'm just
Speaker 3: like like this, like I don't want to do this
Speaker 3: today or whatever.
Speaker 1: And but now it's how we make a living.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I try to say every single day, a
Speaker 3: few times a day, like just in my head, like
Speaker 3: I'm grateful. I have so much in life that I
Speaker 3: could be grateful for because like it's not all about
Speaker 3: money at the end of the day. Like I have
Speaker 3: such a good family and like the best friends that
Speaker 3: I could ever wish for my entire life, and like
Speaker 3: that should be enough right now, no matter how I
Speaker 3: make money.
Speaker 1: Whose to that.
Speaker 2: Let's do though, you know, Oh you're.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean you have to just have your happiness
Speaker 1: the people that I love and support around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's it.
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's how I got through a bunch of
Speaker 1: my tough time. So that's that's all you could ask for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's important.
Speaker 1: Have you had your friends for a while, yeah, since
Speaker 1: high school?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like boys are so different than girls.
Speaker 2: Really, what do you like gain new friends as time
Speaker 2: goes on?
Speaker 1: Are you saying, Okay, I have like my four or
Speaker 1: five friends from high school, middle school that I'm still
Speaker 1: friends with, but as I grew, I you know, need
Speaker 1: more fronts.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I mean I have my friends in high
Speaker 3: school and then man, like my friends from college. Also,
Speaker 3: we talk every day still, all of them, and like
Speaker 3: eight out of the ten of them are engaged or
Speaker 3: married or have kids at this point, and we still
Speaker 3: keep up with one another, you know, like we hope
Speaker 3: that one day we'll be able to take trips with
Speaker 3: like our wives and kids one day and like have
Speaker 3: like one yearly trip or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But then I also have like, you know, best friends
Speaker 3: from the show that I was on, like Andrew and
Speaker 3: Justin and Trey, Like those guys are like brothers to
Speaker 3: me at this point.
Speaker 1: I guess I form more along the way. But I
Speaker 1: feel like boys stick with their friends, like they don't
Speaker 1: really have fallouts. Girls. Yeah, but It's like I feel
Speaker 1: like friends drop easier for girls than they do for guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that, or
Speaker 3: maybe I don't know if I would agree with that. Actually,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: Your sisters, your sisters roll through friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's true. Yeah, I mean we have our
Speaker 3: disagreement sometimes, but it always gets hashed out, usually in
Speaker 3: like the same day, and we're always just like, let's
Speaker 3: just forget about this.
Speaker 2: We move on very very quickly.
Speaker 1: That's how guys are. Yeah, even if like they're out,
Speaker 1: they get into it in argument in an hour. You
Speaker 1: guys are fine. Yeah, just so different. Have any celebrities
Speaker 1: ever slid into your dms.
Speaker 2: Like after the show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh really. I guess, like no cool celebrities ever thought
Speaker 1: I was attractive. I've like never had a cool story.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's tough for you, like it, I
Speaker 3: had a short stint, you know, mine was like three months.
Speaker 3: You're you're you're a Kardashian right now, you know, so
Speaker 3: like that's tough for I feel like that's tougher for you.
Speaker 3: I think like for me, they're just like, oh I
Speaker 3: vibe with this guy. They only see like these you
Speaker 3: know six episodes of me right off the bat, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like guys are again different though, I feel like they
Speaker 1: get a lot of dms like I was. I had
Speaker 1: Maria George's on my podcast not too long ago, and
Speaker 1: she said the same thing after her Bachelor season with
Speaker 1: Joey she never got any crazy dms.
Speaker 2: Either, Oh please, she really yeah.
Speaker 1: I said the same thing to her. I go, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm very shocked, oh wow, and she goes, now, I swear,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, honestly, me, I'm.
Speaker 2: Showing either I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: I was shocked to I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's different for guys on the show.
Speaker 1: Then girls also, though, have more balls than guys.
Speaker 3: I was going to say that I think so, yeah,
Speaker 3: especially shooting a shot on a DM like it's it's
Speaker 3: honestly very tough for me to Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's it's scary, you know this.
Speaker 1: But even now, I also had this conversation with her too,
Speaker 1: I feel like girls are more inclined now to go
Speaker 1: up to guys and make the first move than guys
Speaker 1: are to girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. Meanwhile, I'm so intrigued
Speaker 1: to like that old school mentality of the guy going
Speaker 1: up to the woman you know, asking for to take
Speaker 1: you on a date, of course paying for the meal.
Speaker 1: I'm so I love that old school mentality. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel bad for my friends that are in this
Speaker 1: dating pool.
Speaker 3: Are they not getting like their first date paid for? Like,
Speaker 3: has it ever happened to any of your friends?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really that sucks.
Speaker 1: I bet you were raised better than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, no matter how the date goes, like, I
Speaker 3: think that you know, it's important to at least extend
Speaker 3: the offer, and uh, yeah, but it is. I will say,
Speaker 3: it is tough to go into a bar and you know,
Speaker 3: find the right words.
Speaker 1: You've got to shoot your shot. You look beautiful tonight,
Speaker 1: No girl is gonna get mad.
Speaker 3: That could come off weird. Beautiful, That could come off weird.
Speaker 3: Sometimes say you're in a club, you look beautiful tonight.
Speaker 3: She turns and says, what the you know, it is
Speaker 3: a compliment. I'm sure she would go home later and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, that was really nice of that guy.
Speaker 3: But in the time, you know, you gotta be a
Speaker 3: little bit more mysterious.
Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, I now I get what you're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah. Sometimes, but also you could catch the
Speaker 1: girl that's in a relationship and doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. I guess this is the whole thing about you.
Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes that yeah, I think it's just you know,
Speaker 3: best to go up to her and say, I'm just
Speaker 3: a guy coming up to a girl at a bar.
Speaker 1: Don't say that that's horrible.
Speaker 2: You know, they'll catch somebody off guard.
Speaker 3: You know, somebody tried and say and see you and
Speaker 3: tell me how it goes.
Speaker 1: I think you should give it a chance. Everyone can
Speaker 1: go into greg zmsough if you tried, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. So then, after all this relationship talk, what
Speaker 1: are you really looking for in a partner?
Speaker 3: I think with like the partnerships of what I see
Speaker 3: in my circle, you know, there's always so many ups
Speaker 3: and downs no matter what, whether it's your own personal
Speaker 3: life goals that you.
Speaker 2: Are or are not achieving right away.
Speaker 3: And I think that's just like that on going support
Speaker 3: no matter what, That unwavering support is just moving forward.
Speaker 3: Not to say I'd never had that in my relationships,
Speaker 3: but I just want to make sure that it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, the key factor I want to be able
Speaker 3: to support someone with whatever they're doing or whatever they love,
Speaker 3: and I hope they get the same in return.
Speaker 1: You're right, feeling that support, that unconditional support will lead
Speaker 1: you to, you know, feel confident in your relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not question anything that your partner is doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just like you know, love each other for
Speaker 3: as much as you know, the positive things that we
Speaker 3: bring out one another, as much as our flaws, you know,
Speaker 3: I think, no matter what.
Speaker 1: But then you know, that whole thing about really working
Speaker 1: on yourself and making sure that you're confident with yourself
Speaker 1: before getting into a relationship, that all is key factors
Speaker 1: because if you're insecure in yourself, you know, that can
Speaker 1: lead to like paranoia in the relationship and feeling like
Speaker 1: your partner is doing something to you that they aren't.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and just a downward spiral.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, which is you know, I think that the best
Speaker 3: thing is why I was single because I really needed
Speaker 3: to honestly learn that myself too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I struggled with that.
Speaker 1: What would you say your biggest red flag.
Speaker 2: Is mmmm that I shake my stuff sometimes on TikTok.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess so honestly, honestly, like like when
Speaker 3: you think about it, like it kind of is. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have fun doing it and like I like laugh
Speaker 3: and myself are laugh doing it sometimes. But I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about it, I'm just like, oh, like I never had
Speaker 3: TikTok during the show, and so like it was a
Speaker 3: whole new world to me. But I mean I enjoy
Speaker 3: being like that in relationships and like, you know, not.
Speaker 1: For girls are gonna see what they're gonna get.
Speaker 3: No, literally, honestly, that's that's gonna be honestly me we date, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, but that's good. That's why I think people also
Speaker 1: find you so funny because it's very authentic and real,
Speaker 1: and the audience can tell and your content isn't authentic,
Speaker 1: they can read right through it. Yeah, and it shows
Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, some of your content does
Speaker 1: better than others because they feel that this video was
Speaker 1: more authentic. Okay, this one, I could tell that it
Speaker 1: was a post or something like, you know, anything along
Speaker 1: those lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that that was a tough thing for me
Speaker 3: to understand, especially right after the show, because, like we
Speaker 3: were saying before, you know, prior to show, I posted
Speaker 3: on Instagram maybe once a year, twice a year, for
Speaker 3: I don't know, a wedding or Christmas with my family.
Speaker 3: And so after it and you know, gaining a following
Speaker 3: from the show, I really didn't know what the hell
Speaker 3: the post so here. I was just like trying to
Speaker 3: be all cool. He was snapping like a selfie and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm like looking back and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. I was just scared, you know, I
Speaker 3: was really scared. And then at one point I was like,
Speaker 3: screw it, just like post this weird ash. And I
Speaker 3: mean people enjoyed it, which like I appreciate. I appreciate that,
Speaker 3: like people enjoy that stuff. That side of me.
Speaker 2: It's really nice.
Speaker 1: People like to laugh on TikTok too. Some you know,
Speaker 1: no one wants to always scroll and see beauty or food, right, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's nice to laugh a lott it. But all right,
Speaker 1: thank you Greg, thank you for such an amazing podcast,
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thank you for being on
Speaker 1: m m hmm.