WEBVTT - The Mustard Episode

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Evil Longoria and I am Myra and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores are

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<v Speaker 1>past and present through food.

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<v Speaker 2>On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some

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<v Speaker 2>of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages from our culture.

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<v Speaker 3>So make yourself at home.

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<v Speaker 1>When you know, every time I open up my email

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<v Speaker 1>on a podcast day, I read the episode and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did might they come up with?

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<v Speaker 3>This? Mustard is something that I really leaned into. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, tell me more. And you know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>ever heard the.

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<v Speaker 1>Expression you can't cut the mustard, it means you can't

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<v Speaker 1>hack it, you're not meeting the expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>But where did that come from? What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it you can't you can't cut mustard. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really good at everything, and I can't cut mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they don't really know where this term came from from.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time it actually appears is in.

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<v Speaker 3>A dictionary in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was like you can't mustard it and then

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<v Speaker 2>somebody has said mustard.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a very bizarre expression.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, I come up with the weirdest the topics

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm literally interested in absolutely everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything me too.

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<v Speaker 2>And mustard is one of the first domesticated crops, and

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<v Speaker 2>you were just in dijon. I was, indeed, So it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course we're going to talk about mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's been cultivated for thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's seeds have produced mustard as for a condiment for

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<v Speaker 2>an oil, so of course we have to talk about mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>I love yellow mustard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually not a fan of Djon mustard unless it's

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<v Speaker 1>in a vinagrette.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh, I love I probably have more mustards.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a ton of different kinds of mustards, a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of different kinds of salts, and a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of vinegars.

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<v Speaker 3>We have spoken about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming back to me now about your mustard cabinet. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean, what does that mean? What does that

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<v Speaker 1>look like?

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<v Speaker 2>The mustard well in refrigerator, I have whole green mustard, Dijon,

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of Dijon mustards. I have, of course, yellow mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>I have Deli mustard. I just love it. I just

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<v Speaker 2>use it for different things, for sandwiches, for salad dressings,

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<v Speaker 2>for marinades. It's so versatile and it just gives everything

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<v Speaker 2>a pop.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it your favorite condiment, probably because you don't like mayonnaise.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't like mayonnaise. I hate mayonnaise. So see

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<v Speaker 3>I use I'm team mayonnaise. Oh use mayonnaise on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, another thing we disagree about. But I will say

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in Djon. I was in Djon and

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<v Speaker 1>people think they're known for Djon mustard, which they are,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're known for mustard. They make all all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of mustards there, and so it was fascinating because I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the field and the harvest was happening of

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<v Speaker 1>that wow seeds, and you know, when you see it

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<v Speaker 1>and look at it and the whole history of it

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty pretty amazing, I mean fascinating to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But you know, like if I'm eating a.

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<v Speaker 1>Hot dog, I like mustard, not ketchup, And my husband

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<v Speaker 1>likes ketchup.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't use mustard, which is weird. I use both.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you use both.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 3>You know here's another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Waterburger mustard and ketchup are the best in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if I could have the water Burger mustard on everything,

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<v Speaker 1>then I would probably be a bigger mustard fan.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it about Waterburger?

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<v Speaker 1>Waterburger for those that don't know is like the best

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<v Speaker 1>burger place in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>It was born in Corpus Christi dix Is, by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't love that.

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<v Speaker 1>The headquarters were an corpus uh. And they have spicy ketchup,

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<v Speaker 1>which I buy. My mom buys me and sends it

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<v Speaker 1>when she comes to visit in La. She brings me

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<v Speaker 1>spicy Ketchup. You've never had Waterburger spicy ketchup. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had Waterburger. It's the best. I mean, it's way

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<v Speaker 1>better than in and Out, I think, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm way better picture. I can't picture their mustard the

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<v Speaker 2>their ketchup. But their mustard is really I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>really tangy. It's like it hits you right here.

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<v Speaker 3>In the and the jaw.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I need to go when I go back

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<v Speaker 2>to Texas, I'm going to go and taste it. But

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<v Speaker 2>They're mustard is very distinct, right, It's a yellow mustard,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's I don't know what they do with it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's definitely it has it has a pup.

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<v Speaker 3>I get to the bottom of it. Potato salad cannot

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<v Speaker 3>survive without mustard and a vinaigrette. You have to put

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of mustard in a vinaigrette.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd put djon. You can't put yellow mustard in a

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<v Speaker 1>no djon mustard, Okay. Mustard is one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>domesticated crops, meaning we learned how to cultivate it.

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<v Speaker 3>When was that?

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<v Speaker 1>How long ago? Was that?

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<v Speaker 3>Thousands of Like everything is like thousands of years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So the mustard family consists of about thirty six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>different species.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of them are wild and they're related.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in the cabbage f family, so they're related to

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<v Speaker 2>kale and collared greens, but only three of them make mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>And again it's been domesticated for thousands of years, and

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<v Speaker 2>they come from different parts of the world. So the

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<v Speaker 2>white or yellow mustard is native to the Mediterranean, like

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<v Speaker 2>the mediterrane basin like North Africa and Europe, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the brown mustard native to India, Nepal and parts of

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<v Speaker 2>South Asia. And then the black mustard is also native

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<v Speaker 2>to the Mediterranean and to the Middle East. And so

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<v Speaker 2>through ancient trade routes, these mustards, these these three different

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<v Speaker 2>types of mustard plants that make seeds became a staple

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<v Speaker 2>all over Europe, in Asia, and eventually in the Americas.

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<v Speaker 1>What do your mean three thousand, six hundreds, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Like I told you, in Dijon, they make

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<v Speaker 1>all mustard, and there were so many different kinds, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I thought you only made Dijon

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<v Speaker 1>mustard Indijon, So did I?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I didn't. We make think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They make every They make all of it, white, yellow, brown, black,

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. So let's talk about how mustard is made,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a simple process. It's just you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to soak the seeds overnight in a blend of

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<v Speaker 1>vinegar and water, and then you grind them into a

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<v Speaker 1>paste and you can add salt or flavorings like tumeric

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<v Speaker 1>or garlic. Some people add honey, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>to let it rest before enjoying it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's all these different flavor profiles of the three main mustards,

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<v Speaker 1>which is white slash yellow mustard, which is weird because

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<v Speaker 1>I had never seen white mustard. But like white white

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<v Speaker 1>yellow mustard, which is the mildest, it's a little bitter,

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<v Speaker 1>a hint of sweetness. That's probably the one that Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are most familiar with, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's the white yellow mustard. It's the seeds

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<v Speaker 4>are white or yellowish.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, the seeds are white or yellow, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the brown mustard seeds created like a spicier pepper,

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<v Speaker 1>peppery bite.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one that's really.

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<v Speaker 1>Common in Dijon and also in Indian It's in many

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<v Speaker 1>Indian pickles and curries.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the brown mustard.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the black mustard, which I've never seen or tasted,

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<v Speaker 1>have you black mustard?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually no, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say I've tasted the black mustard

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<v Speaker 2>seeds and like India when I've made like Indian food.

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<v Speaker 4>But now that you said that, no, it's not the black,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the brown. But it's like it's super intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very intense, pungent. It's almost like was sabi.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's usually used in South Asian cooking, some European recipes,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly South Asian cookies.

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<v Speaker 3>So are the people that first cultivated mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>The cultivation of its super ancient mustard seeds have been

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<v Speaker 2>found in archaeological contexts dating back, you know, thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>years in ancient India and summer in Egypt, and mustard

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<v Speaker 2>seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they

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<v Speaker 2>used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife.

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<v Speaker 2>They were thought to have medicinal and protective properties and

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<v Speaker 2>like ward off the evil eyes and all of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that you would need in this life and also

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<v Speaker 2>and then the afterlife. But then moving forward, like the

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<v Speaker 2>ancient Greeks and Romans used it for flavor and also

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<v Speaker 2>for health benefits. And there's this diascord, he said Turkish

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<v Speaker 2>born Greek physician. He wrote an early treatise on medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wrote about the use of mustard as a treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>He would make these like compresses like poultices with mustard

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<v Speaker 2>seeds and use them for like for aches and pains,

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<v Speaker 2>to clear sinuses, and this kind of became a standard,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, for thousands of years, healers would have

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<v Speaker 2>mustard in their bag of cures. Ancient Chinese used to

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<v Speaker 2>use mustard seeds for digestive purposes. And it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>the Romans that we start seeing the word mustard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because in France it's muda that it's mod mutad,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was like, oh, did it mustard come

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<v Speaker 1>from mutad or where did the word mustard come from.

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<v Speaker 3>It actually comes from Latin.

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<v Speaker 2>It has Latin roots because the Romans used to mix

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<v Speaker 2>crushed mustard seeds with unfermented grape juice, and this unfermented

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<v Speaker 2>grape cheese was called must and so they would create

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<v Speaker 2>this spicy paste and it was like a burning must

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<v Speaker 2>So the words mustard and the French mutard come from

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<v Speaker 2>this mustem ardens, which is the Latin for this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of burning must. So basically the Romans were making mustard,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where the word comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>So it comes from the Roman.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Romans introduced mustard plants into what is now

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<v Speaker 2>France and England, and they gave rise to the fame

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<v Speaker 2>de jon mustard that they've been manufacturing there since the

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<v Speaker 2>thirteenth century.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow at least.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, spices were huge in the Middle Ages

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe. I mean we talk a lot about this

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<v Speaker 1>in other episodes. And how you know, spices were so

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<v Speaker 1>big because food could not be conserved right like food

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<v Speaker 1>went bad. And then if food were bad, they would

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<v Speaker 1>just like put all these spices to make it taste

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<v Speaker 1>better or also to salt meat right to salt. So

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<v Speaker 1>so many spices available in the Middle Ages was mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>Having a moment in the Middle Ages.

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<v Speaker 2>It was and it was a plant, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the few spices that was readily available, you know, everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and they loved mustard so much during the Middle Ages

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<v Speaker 2>that they created this position of the mutardier. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be a mutardier, right, it's so specific. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a crafts person, a merchant that specialized in making and

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<v Speaker 2>selling mustard. So this was a job that was created

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<v Speaker 2>during the Middle Ages.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that the pope had their own mutadiers. The

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<v Speaker 1>French monasteries of course, especially around France and Djon, they

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<v Speaker 1>became famous for cultivating mustard, not only as a culinary

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<v Speaker 1>delight and medicine. They had guild similar to bakers and

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<v Speaker 1>butchers at this time, with regulations and standards for quality

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<v Speaker 1>and ingredients and hygiene, right yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the mutardier they selected, they ground their they

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<v Speaker 2>mixed mustard seeds with you know, wine and vinegar to

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<v Speaker 2>create these mustard plants and they sold them fresh.

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<v Speaker 4>They sold mustard fresh like a you know, cheese or

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<v Speaker 4>a butter cellar.

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<v Speaker 2>And then sometimes in some towns mutardier were household specialists

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<v Speaker 2>and they would you know, work with noble or wealthy kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were kind of like a like sauce makers.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteenth century Dijon was the epicenter of fine mustard making,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dejeon became known for their incredible mustards. Even Louis

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<v Speaker 2>the fourteenth was one of mustard's biggest admirers. During his

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<v Speaker 2>reign in seventeenth century, he granted an edict around Dijon

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<v Speaker 2>as the sole maker of authentic Dijon mustard, and he

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<v Speaker 2>of course had his own mutardier and there was always

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<v Speaker 2>mustard prepared by his own guy at every table.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it become commercial in the fourteenth century because of

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<v Speaker 1>this appellation that let Louis the fourteenth gave them, or.

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<v Speaker 2>It had already become more of the commercial center by

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<v Speaker 2>the fourteenth century. And so there are different brands. The

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<v Speaker 2>one male how do you say, m I Mail antoine

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<v Speaker 2>Claude Mail. He opened up a small mustard chop and

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<v Speaker 2>he became wow like his reputation for like making this

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<v Speaker 2>incredible mustard, and he became popular among the French court

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of help put Dijon mustard on the map

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<v Speaker 2>in France and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was the first one to bottle mustard in

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<v Speaker 1>glass jars rather than selling it in bulk, which was

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<v Speaker 1>super revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 3>It was super revolute.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we wouldn't we don't even think about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is super revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm like when you talked about like they would

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<v Speaker 1>just serve it fresh, I'm like, how they would serve

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<v Speaker 1>it fresh? Howe? Why we wouldn't it be in a

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<v Speaker 1>glass jar? But that came so much later, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So this Mayel he became the supplier to the French court,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he became a household name in France.

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<v Speaker 2>And beyond because of his mustard. Dijon mustard gained this

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<v Speaker 2>reputation for being the finest mustard in France, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eventually it became a global brand.

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<v Speaker 1>The one the global brand that I know, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think everybody knows is great popon?

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<v Speaker 3>Now is that from Dijon? Is that from Dijon? It is?

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<v Speaker 3>It is?

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<v Speaker 4>I remember those commercials from the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>I love do those commercials the best?

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<v Speaker 2>The best? So this was these nineteen eighties commercials. Two

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<v Speaker 2>Rose Royces pull up side by side and he's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pardon man, do you have any great poupon?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I associate Dijon mustard as like a delicacy,

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<v Speaker 1>sophistic hated form of like yellow Frenches mustard, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like I really.

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<v Speaker 5>Am because of this commercial. Because of this commercial. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a very very effective ad campaign. It's the

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<v Speaker 5>first Dijon mustard I ever tasted, of course. So it

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<v Speaker 5>was founded in seventeen seventy seven by Maurice Gray and

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<v Speaker 5>Auguste Poupon.

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<v Speaker 2>Maurice Gray was an inventor who developed this machine that

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<v Speaker 2>could grind the mustard seeds into really fine paste, and

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<v Speaker 2>he partnered with Aguste Poopon, who was a banker and.

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<v Speaker 3>Green that's a great white one, so that Poupon was

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<v Speaker 3>just a banker.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Gray who had the machine.

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<v Speaker 3>Gray was the guy. Gray was the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>They also their recipe used white wine instead of vinegar,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that gave Dijon mustard this like signature smoothness

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<v Speaker 1>and like a little bit of tang. And I distinctly

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<v Speaker 1>remember tasting Gray poupon for the first time and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I didn't like it, but I did think like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's different.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it's like when you're a kid it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a little too strong.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was brought to the US in the nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the nineteen eighties it became this phenomenon when

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<v Speaker 2>Craft Foods bought it and launched this super memorable ad campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>So when did mustard arrive in Latin America and Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>The seeds were brought in the fifteen hundreds, right the

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<v Speaker 2>Spaniards bus to musters plants, and they used it as

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<v Speaker 2>a spice and as a medicine, just like they had

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<v Speaker 2>been in Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>And then in the late eighteen hundreds, during the.

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<v Speaker 2>Portfiitiato, Mexico City's elite was sort of fell head over

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<v Speaker 2>heels with French cuisine and we started seeing jon mustard

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<v Speaker 2>gray seeing banquet tables. But it was in the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 2>especially along the US border, like in states like Sonarda,

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<v Speaker 2>i'm Bacha and Tamauripas, American yellow mustard jumped from the

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<v Speaker 2>American ballpark hot dog to the sonda on hot dogs

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<v Speaker 2>and tortas and elotes. And even before that, actually you

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<v Speaker 2>see the mustard seeds in traditional pickled halapang. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>this condiment that has crossed oceans and galleons, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dined with the leads, and now we see it on

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<v Speaker 2>our street foods. You know, even nelote has a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of mustard just to give it a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of pop.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not used in our cuisine very much.

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<v Speaker 2>More like in tortas and stuff and the street hot

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<v Speaker 2>dogs and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, not a lot, not a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's some companies like Costagna makes a mustard, make

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<v Speaker 2>some there's some companies that make their own mustard, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's much milder, even than.

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<v Speaker 3>American yellow mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I think is so interesting that most mustard

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<v Speaker 2>seeds all over the world, most mustard seeds comes from Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>They produce ighty percent of mustard seed experts, even Maela

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<v Speaker 2>and Gray Poo Pond have been using Canadian grown seeds

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<v Speaker 2>for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>What I know they have. But that's like Mexico. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like vanilla.

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<v Speaker 1>It all comes from Madagascar, not Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, but who consumes the most mustard in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I think France.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, France is the largest consumer of mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we come back, how many types of mustards

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<v Speaker 2>can you name?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm putting eve it to the test.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, none, I can name two.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to do a quiz many shades of mustard,

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<v Speaker 3>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's gonna be multiple choice. Because I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at R and I was like, this is so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>So which mustard made its debut at the nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 2>four Saint Louis World's Fairest Cream Salad?

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<v Speaker 3>Mustard? Oh, cream salad? What does that mean? Cream salad?

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<v Speaker 3>That's how they marketed it. I'll give you. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>give you three choices. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, give me.

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<v Speaker 2>Graye Houpon, Dijon mustard. French is yellow mustard? Are kernel mustard?

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<v Speaker 2>What year did you say?

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen oh four at the Saint Louis Ville was in Vijon.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it didn't come till nineteen forty. I was paying attention.

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<v Speaker 3>You were paying attention. Say French is yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, French is yellow mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it right, Oh my god, it right. Definitely

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<v Speaker 3>not Colonel Mustard either. He was from Clue, so it

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<v Speaker 3>was from Clue.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, he had a mustard. I had a mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>French is yellow mustard, created by George and Francis French,

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<v Speaker 2>two brothers and they introduced it as cream salad mustard.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, cream you know, salads were basically everything

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<v Speaker 2>from it was like a cold it could be like

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<v Speaker 2>dainty tea sandwiches. But they introduced a mild, tangy, turmeric,

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<v Speaker 2>bright yellow mustard that was perfect for hot dogs that

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<v Speaker 2>were also gaining popularity at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, can you.

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<v Speaker 2>Name the mustard granted a royal warrant by Queen Victory

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<v Speaker 2>Corry in eighteen sixty six A mister mustard worth b

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Kensington's mustard See Coleman's English Mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>Coleman's English Mustard, Coleman's English Mustard. Yeah, oh, God of God,

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<v Speaker 3>and the other ones do exist. I didn't make them up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, the other one sound fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mustards was is fake. But the other one I did,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that counted, Fae Kensington does exist. Yeah, so Coleman's

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<v Speaker 2>it was. The British mustard industry arose in Tewksbury in

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<v Speaker 2>the sixteenth century, and mustards from that area became knowns

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<v Speaker 2>for its strength, and in seventeen twenty a woman named

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<v Speaker 2>Missus Clements of Tewksbury discovered how to make how to

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<v Speaker 2>dried mustard seeds enough to form a powder, and in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen fourteen this man named Jeremiah Coleman he perfected a

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<v Speaker 2>blend of brown and white mustard seeds, grunting to a

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<v Speaker 2>fine powder that was mild with super spicy when mixed

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<v Speaker 2>with water. It became a Victorian kitchen staple, and Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria said.

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<v Speaker 4>This is fit for a royal household. Okay, which mustard got?

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<v Speaker 2>It started in the US thanks to German and Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants in the late eighteen hundreds. Golden spicy brown mustard,

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<v Speaker 2>Ingelhoff for mustard and Zadi's deli gold.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say the first one, golden spicy mustard.

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<v Speaker 5>You got them all, Oh my god, you got them mustard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a deli stable. Immigrants brought their mustard making

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<v Speaker 3>traditions with.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, and this is this really coarsely ground brown mustard

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<v Speaker 2>speeds that's really, you know, spicier than its yellow counterpart.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it has horse reddish. So it's used in

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<v Speaker 2>pastrami and roast beef sandwiches. I love this my on

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<v Speaker 2>my sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think mustard is as iconic as ketchup. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can't say ketchup without mustard. But how did

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<v Speaker 1>it make its way into American pop culture? Obviously hot

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<v Speaker 1>dogs had something to do with it. But like, who

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<v Speaker 1>introduced mustard to like the nation of the US.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Ben Franklin, he helped introduce mustard to this

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<v Speaker 2>young nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Benjamin when the Benjamin Franklin, the Benjamin Franklin when he

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<v Speaker 4>was a French ambassador, yep, and he loved classic French

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<v Speaker 4>mustards when he was there.

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<v Speaker 3>He praised them in letters.

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<v Speaker 4>He wrote so many letters praising them.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>He brought mustard seeds with him back in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's credited with helping start America's first mustard mills

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<v Speaker 2>and igniting the country's taste for mustard. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Jefferson served as minister to France after him, among

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<v Speaker 2>the foods he brought back in those eighty six crates

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<v Speaker 2>was prepared mustard from dj On And so he and

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<v Speaker 2>George Washington grew mustards, you know, in Monticello and at

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<v Speaker 2>Mount Vernon, and they experimented with making mustard prepared mustards.

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<v Speaker 3>And today mustard is everywhere. It's globally diverse.

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<v Speaker 2>We have super spicy Chinese mustard you know, you go

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<v Speaker 2>to Chinese Russiant that's super hot mustard, and then our

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<v Speaker 2>mild American one, the grainy hold seed. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>grainy whole seed mustard on salmon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I'm glad we did the mustard episode because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't like mayonnaise, so I feel this was appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this little teeny weeny seed tells a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting story and it packs a punch.

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<v Speaker 3>It packs a tangy punch. Thanks everybody for listening.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye.

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