WEBVTT - !!BREAKING!! Christa Pike Execution Stopped One Hour Before Lethal Injection 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, September 30th, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have a breaking news update. A court has stepped in

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<v Speaker 1>and stopped today's planned execution of Krista Pike, who was

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<v Speaker 1>set to be the first woman executed in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Tennessee in some 200 years. Welcome, everybody, to Amy

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<v Speaker 1>and TJ Robes. We did not see this one coming,

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<v Speaker 1>but as of this recording, Krista Pike was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be put to death about 10 minutes from now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and this all came down about an hour before

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<v Speaker 2>she was scheduled to die in Nashville, Tennessee. All of

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<v Speaker 2>her options had been exhausted. The Supreme Court denied hearing

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<v Speaker 2>the case. The Tennessee Supreme Court had already denied her appeal.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the governor himself had already said, I am

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<v Speaker 2>not going to intervene. So we did not see this coming.

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<v Speaker 2>And frankly, this is quite a shock. Robes, this is stunning,

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<v Speaker 2>all right? Take the history out of it. Take the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it's a woman. Take all of that out

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<v Speaker 2>of it. We just don't see this a lot. Robes,

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<v Speaker 2>courts don't step in and stop executions a lot. We

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<v Speaker 2>know this because we cover damn near all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And Robes, what would you say? 10%?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe? 15%? One out of 10 maybe we could get

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<v Speaker 1>that it stopped? Robes, that part of it is just

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<v Speaker 1>shocking that they were successful in any way, especially after

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court said no.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because usually when we do see some sort of intervention,

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<v Speaker 2>it comes from the governor. It doesn't typically come from

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<v Speaker 2>the U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, they, an hour before she was set to die,

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<v Speaker 2>they halted her execution, quote, until further order of this court.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I have, okay, I've tracked this down now.

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<v Speaker 1>I have their, and folks, this is just happening. We

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<v Speaker 1>hopped immediately on, but I do have the Court of Appeals.

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<v Speaker 1>They're documented, at least what they issued here, but Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>what the argument has been, what the, at least in public,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of her supporters have been arguing that she

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<v Speaker 1>should not be put to death because of her sexual

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<v Speaker 1>abuse history.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. And they claim, and this is true, this has

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<v Speaker 2>all been acknowledged even by the state of Tennessee and

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor's office, that the extensive sexual abuse that she

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<v Speaker 2>suffered starting when she was a toddler up until literally

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<v Speaker 2>months before she committed this murder... were egregious and overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 2>and the jury never got to hear it. And if

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<v Speaker 2>they had heard what she had lived through as a

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<v Speaker 2>child and as.

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<v Speaker 3>A young teen, they almost assuredly would not have sentenced

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<v Speaker 3>her to death, given her age, given her history of abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>If those things had been considered by the jury, her

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<v Speaker 2>attorneys have been arguing they would never have sentenced her

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<v Speaker 2>to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that is one argument makes sense. The other is

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<v Speaker 1>just one I had not Heard before robes is this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of cruel and unusual and a re-victimization if she

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<v Speaker 1>is strapped to that gurney.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Her advocates, and she had dozens of women advocate

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<v Speaker 2>groups who represent victims of sexual abuse and exploitation, and

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<v Speaker 2>they have said that literally the act of her being

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<v Speaker 2>strapped down by prison guards and injected with this lethal

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<v Speaker 2>injection near her groin, I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>They said, would be as if she were being raped

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<v Speaker 3>all over again.

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<v Speaker 2>And this time by the government, by the very organization

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<v Speaker 2>that let her down, that didn't protect her from her abusers.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this would just be a final act of cruelty,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was their argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that argument that they were making in public

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<v Speaker 1>robes and appealing to the governor and whatnot, her attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>took that same argument to court, to this appellate court,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like the appellate court agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks, what took place is that they were arguing that

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<v Speaker 1>the state robes didn't acknowledge. They said she was just

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<v Speaker 1>lying when she was talking about her sexual abuse before.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no evidence of this. You're just making this up

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get yourself some sympathy in court. That

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<v Speaker 1>is what they were saying to her. The court has

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<v Speaker 1>since or the state has since acknowledged, yes, she did

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<v Speaker 1>suffer some horrific sexual abuse. Robes, I'm looking now at

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<v Speaker 1>this finding, or at least this ruling from the appellate court.

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<v Speaker 1>They are acknowledging that very thing. Quote, she states that

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<v Speaker 1>the state recently reversed its litigation position that she is

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<v Speaker 1>a liar who fabricated sexual abuse. Pike contends that the

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<v Speaker 1>state's concession of her history of child sexual abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>rape erodes the foundation of her state and court proceedings.

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<v Speaker 1>She ties this erosion to defects in the federal court proceedings.

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<v Speaker 1>And so therefore, they go on to say to adequately

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<v Speaker 1>address and resolve the issues now presented to this court.

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<v Speaker 1>And in carefully balancing the equities, we find that a

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<v Speaker 1>stay of Pike's execution is necessary. Robes, they're saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys took a different position now. Now you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>she was sexually abused. Now we got to talk this out.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were, I mean, it's interesting that the Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court did not take this up. It's interesting that the

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee Supreme Court rejected this. But suddenly, this federal appeals

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<v Speaker 2>court has sided with Krista Pike. She finally got a

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<v Speaker 2>court to agree with her line of reasoning. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when you had all the other courts and the governor

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<v Speaker 2>refusing to listen, refusing to acknowledge at least the their

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<v Speaker 2>point of view or point of reference that this would

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<v Speaker 2>cause cruel and unusual punishment or pain. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>what we expected to hear today.

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<v Speaker 1>Robes, we are in full disclosure here, people. We were

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<v Speaker 1>making plans for the day because we thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>okay for us to be away from our computers, away

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<v Speaker 1>from the microphones, because there's not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>development in the Krista Pike case. The Supreme court robes.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime we hear that the Supreme court has turned somebody down,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing else to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>And the governor has said now publicly, he is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to intervene. So he was not going to give

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<v Speaker 2>her clemency. So we, the two entities that you would

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<v Speaker 2>expect some sort of state of execution from had already

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<v Speaker 2>spoken out and spoken loudly and said, we ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>jump in and change anything. So yeah, we had no

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<v Speaker 2>reason to believe that she had a shot at, at

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<v Speaker 2>having her execution state.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's probably why, Robes, this is sitting so shockingly,

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<v Speaker 1>is because when the governor came out ahead of time, oftentimes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I say oftentimes, a lot of them are out of Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're never on the edge of our seat waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the phone to ring in Florida. But other states, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you go up to that last minute. They literally do

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<v Speaker 1>wait for the phone to ring. Robes, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>which state it was. It might have been Illinois, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 1>There was recently in the past couple of years a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the phone rang. They were right up to the last

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<v Speaker 1>minute kind of a thing. Ropes, we just thought there

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<v Speaker 1>was no chance. There was nothing to talk about. Even

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<v Speaker 1>the argument that they were making is not necessarily one

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<v Speaker 1>we'd heard before. Not necessarily one about re-victimizing her strapped

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<v Speaker 1>to the gurney. And here we are, Robes, what happens

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<v Speaker 1>now legally with this case? Because the court just says,

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<v Speaker 1>stop everything until we tell you to do something else.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to talk this through. How much time now

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<v Speaker 1>does she get?

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<v Speaker 3>It's unclear.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, no one was planning for this to be the

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<v Speaker 2>next course of action. And so there's going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to be obviously some hearings. And you know how this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of situation takes place. It's going to take time.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gotten more time.

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<v Speaker 1>But Robes with this. If you had to put money

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<v Speaker 1>on it on Kalshi, right? Robes, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>her execution will ever go forward.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't either.

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<v Speaker 1>Because now there was already a push to stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been stopped. So now you're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to have people out there pushing publicly to say she

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<v Speaker 1>should die.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Colleen Slummer's mom is going to be among them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but no, no, no. But the point I'm making

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's hard to get people on board the

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<v Speaker 1>drumbeat of kill somebody. It's hard to have a public push.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill this woman who went through all this sexual abuse. Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>now that this is stopped, I don't know how they

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<v Speaker 1>could start it up again.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget it. Just leave her in prison the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her life and leave it at that. Who is going

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<v Speaker 1>to fight now to kill her? Short of the victim's family.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about a big advocacy group. Who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to come support this family with rallies to say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>kill her, kill her, kill her? We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>see that.

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<v Speaker 2>She was going to be the first woman executed in

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Tennessee since 1819. More than 200 years.

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<v Speaker 2>This was already going to be a major event. Moment

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<v Speaker 2>in that state's history and certainly in our country as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We have 45 women on death row right now in

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<v Speaker 2>this country. None of them have execution dates.

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<v Speaker 1>Including now Krista Pike. She had one. Just got canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not. The governor is not going to come

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<v Speaker 1>out and hoot and holler.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's kill her. You have to now come out and

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<v Speaker 1>publicly advocate for executing a woman. This is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that this country does. Before this, the last one was

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<v Speaker 1>in 2021. I think I have that right. Before that

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<v Speaker 1>was 2015. Before that was 2014. The last one, though,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have to add this, Rose, 2023, a transgender

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<v Speaker 1>woman was executed. But the death warrant had his name

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<v Speaker 1>when he was convicted. But, okay, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have that fight. What I'm saying, Robes, is it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a while. We don't do this often, execute women. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when we will do so again. To

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<v Speaker 1>your point, stay here. Folks, there is another woman to

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<v Speaker 1>be concerned about in Nashville right now. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>mother of the victim who has been waiting 30 years

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<v Speaker 1>for this day. And she, just like us, found out

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<v Speaker 1>that this execution is off.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a breaking episode that we were not expecting

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<v Speaker 2>to record because we just learned within an hour, some

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<v Speaker 2>have even reported within minutes, of Krista Pike's scheduled execution

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<v Speaker 2>in Tennessee today. A federal appeals court has stopped her execution.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to hear more about the arguments her attorneys

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<v Speaker 2>have been making about this being cruel and unusual. This

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<v Speaker 2>type of punishment, this execution, given her long history with

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<v Speaker 2>sexual abuse, she began being sexually abused as a toddler.

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<v Speaker 2>The state had previously said she was making it up,

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<v Speaker 2>but recently acknowledged that that was in fact true. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was the game changer for this appeals court ruling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we need to talk it out, need to hear

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<v Speaker 1>it out. You, the state, you've already changed your position,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said you now believe she was sexually abused. So,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, that would have factored in. That would have

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<v Speaker 1>made a difference. Let's talk it out. Okay, but their

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<v Speaker 1>argument here, Robes, in court, is not the one about

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<v Speaker 1>cruel and unusual. It's a matter of the actual trial.

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<v Speaker 1>This should have been something for the jury to consider. Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a different can of worms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, look, all of the back and forth that

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<v Speaker 2>have been going on, the advocacy groups that were speaking

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<v Speaker 2>on her behalf, when we heard from the governor, when

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<v Speaker 2>we heard from the Supreme Court, everyone pretty much believed

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<v Speaker 2>that this was going to go on as scheduled, even

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<v Speaker 2>Krista Pike herself.

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<v Speaker 3>She wrote a letter.

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<v Speaker 2>She, by the way, waived her right to a final meal.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she didn't want one. So think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night, she's preparing to die this morning. She wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a letter to NBC News that her spiritual advisor shared saying,

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<v Speaker 2>whether my clemency is granted or not, I'm at peace.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not afraid to die.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm only nervous about the process. Look, she's never denied

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<v Speaker 2>murdering Colleen Slemmer, but she has been saying loudly that

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<v Speaker 2>she was worried about how she would feel having men,

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<v Speaker 2>male guards, male workers with the prison, strap her down,

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<v Speaker 2>and actually execute her, that she was very concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>how that was going to feel and what that was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be like. That was where she was this

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<v Speaker 2>morning when she woke up.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen some of these. I can't remember which guy

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<v Speaker 1>it was, but he had like three, four, five different

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<v Speaker 1>execution dates. She woke up this morning thinking it was

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<v Speaker 1>her last day on earth. And now she doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>which one would be her last.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose....

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, that argument they're making is just not one

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that is the one that the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court didn't buy. That's the one that previous courts have

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<v Speaker 1>not bought, this idea that that's cruel and unusual. So

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<v Speaker 1>this other argument seems to have worked. The argument works.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that, Robes, we do on these moments? We forget,

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<v Speaker 1>we stop. It's all about Krista Pike, saving her. How

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable is she? Is she going to be okay? We

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure she doesn't feel traumatized. We want to,

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<v Speaker 1>Does she get a last meal? What are her last words?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have a pastor in there? I get that, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about Colleen's mama? Colleen's family. But yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>about that family right now and the concern for a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who had to have a GoFundMe set up just

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<v Speaker 1>to give her traveling expenses so she could make it

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<v Speaker 1>to Nashville?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>That woman has been waiting, Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>May Martinez and her husband, Raul. Yes, they actually raised

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<v Speaker 2>more than $ 2, 500 on a GoFundMe campaign to to travel

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<v Speaker 2>to Nashville to be there for Krista Pike's execution.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>After 30 years of carrying the loss of her daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>she shouldn't have to worry about whether she can afford

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<v Speaker 2>to be there. That was what was posted launching this

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<v Speaker 2>GoFundMe page. And certainly, we have heard from May over

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<v Speaker 2>the years absolutely saying that they want to see... They

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<v Speaker 2>want to see Krista Pike pay for their daughter's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to see this final bit of justice. They

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<v Speaker 2>want it resolved. It's been 30 years. They said they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted their daughter relieved. That's kind of how they put it,

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<v Speaker 2>that they just felt like she couldn't be at peace,

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't be at peace until Krista Pike paid the

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate price for murdering their child.

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<v Speaker 1>And it won't happen, baby. And I would argue it

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<v Speaker 1>will never happen. We talk, Rhodes, plenty of times about

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<v Speaker 1>the years. I think it's cruel and unusual to have

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<v Speaker 1>somebody sit and wait 20, 30, 40 years to die.

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<v Speaker 1>Cruel and unusual to make a family wait 20, 30,

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<v Speaker 1>40 years for the justice that you say they deserve. Rhodes,

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is wrong, but, Rhodes, we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how Krista Pike woke up this morning thinking it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the last day of her life. What

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<v Speaker 1>relief does she possibly now feel? What did Colleen Stemmer's mom,

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<v Speaker 1>when she fell, what did she feel when she woke

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<v Speaker 1>up this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I cannot imagine the grief that she must be

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<v Speaker 2>feeling and the victimization, the re-victimization she must be feeling

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<v Speaker 2>right now because she thought it was over. She thought

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<v Speaker 2>she was finally going to get to feel some real sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Of closure after today, and that's just not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, it's interesting, this letter that Krista Pike wrote too,

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<v Speaker 2>she talked about what these last two weeks have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Like for her. I'm curious, is Colleen's mom.

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<v Speaker 2>listening to everything Krista's saying, that's gotta be tough to

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<v Speaker 2>hear your daughter's killer be surrounded and supported.

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<v Speaker 3>And she even talked about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Krista wrote, I've gotten more love in the last two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks than I've had in my entire life. Though there

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<v Speaker 2>was an absence when my people showed up for me,

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<v Speaker 2>they have showed up and showed out. I am humbled

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<v Speaker 2>beyond words. So she's talking about all this love and

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<v Speaker 2>support she's feeling. I'm just wondering how that must feel

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<v Speaker 2>for Colleen Slemmer's mom and dad.

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<v Speaker 1>All about mercy, baby. All about mercy, and we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be better, and we're supposed to be bigger as

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<v Speaker 1>a society, as a government, right? When it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with executions. But I leave room, baby, complete pass

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<v Speaker 1>for these families. Feel however you want to feel, want

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<v Speaker 1>however you want this to go. I have nothing, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>What that, Robes, just the flipping, how that was flipped.

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<v Speaker 1>Think for a second about those two women. Krista Pike

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<v Speaker 1>woke up. I'm going to die today. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>worst day ever. She just got news that her life

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<v Speaker 1>is spared. Colleen Stimmer's mom woke up. This is it. Finally.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm free.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm free. And she got a call too, baby, that

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<v Speaker 1>Krista Pike's life was going to be spared. And now

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<v Speaker 1>this has become maybe the second worst day of her life. Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is so mean what has just happened to this family.

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<v Speaker 3>It's awful. It's awful, baby.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the back and forth. It's the up and down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the will she, won't she. You know, limbo, any time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hate to even compare what's happening there to

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<v Speaker 2>these two women specifically to anything that pales in comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>but any time you're in limbo, when you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen, when you want something to happen

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<v Speaker 2>and you're waiting or you don't want something to happen

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<v Speaker 2>and the waiting to see what will happen is, is

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes the cruelest part. Now imagine doing that for 30 years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Colleen Slemmer's mom has been going through.

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<v Speaker 1>So, folks, yes, the headlines will be talking about Krista

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<v Speaker 1>Pike's stay of execution and that she was spared, the

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<v Speaker 1>first woman to be executed in some 200 years in Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>the first woman to be executed in this country in

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<v Speaker 1>about 10-plus years. That execution is not happening. And now

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<v Speaker 1>Colleen Stimmer's family has to do what? Wait for a

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<v Speaker 1>next court date. Go to a next court hearing. Wait

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<v Speaker 1>for a next clemency hearing. Wait for a next parole

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<v Speaker 1>board to do something. Here they go again. And for

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<v Speaker 1>how many years? That sucks, babe. That just sucks. But

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to hop on and give you this update. We

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<v Speaker 1>will hop on if there are any more throughout the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But as of now, Krista Pike's execution has been stayed.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, folks, we appreciate you spending some time

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<v Speaker 1>with us. I'm TJ. On behalf of my dear Amy Robach,

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk to you all soon.