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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying to.

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Speaker 2: Get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Kamen Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics, because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion.

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Speaker 4: My name is Wendell Pearce. You first know me as

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Speaker 4: an actor. I am also a pretty I'd like to direct,

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Speaker 4: but I don't consider my self a director just yet.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, I am a citizen of New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: I'd point that out because the New Orleans not only

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Speaker 4: made me, but made me refocus my energy into community

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Speaker 4: activism and advocacy.

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Speaker 5: Twenty years ago, when we are at the height of disaster, and.

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Speaker 4: So I am a community advocate and an actor and

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Speaker 4: a producer.

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Speaker 1: You may know Wendel Peers from some of our favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: His presence and performance on any screener stage signals this

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Speaker 1: show will be excellent. Or as one of my best

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Speaker 1: friends and one of his biggest fans would like to say,

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Speaker 1: all of his programs are excellent. There's a gravitas in

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Speaker 1: confidence that exues from this actor. I would like to

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Speaker 1: believe it's because he knows his origin story. I ask

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Speaker 1: if his roots begin in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: We go back at several generations. I'm kind of doing

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Speaker 4: a genealogy now. My mother was born and raised just

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Speaker 4: outside of New Orleans, about seventy miles and Assumption Parish, Plattonville, Louisiana.

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Speaker 4: We call our counties parishes, as you know. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: So this country girl goes to Southern University and baton

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Speaker 4: Rouge that she meets this city boy who literally had

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Speaker 4: just come back from World War Two and they met

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Speaker 1: Trained at Juilliard Window, has appeared on Broadway, Death of

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Speaker 1: the Salesman, The Boys of Winter, and he also plays

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Speaker 1: very compelling characters on television. Detective William Bunk on the wire.

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Speaker 6: Someone saw me at a barber shop and said, you know,

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Speaker 6: Bunk is retiring, you better be there. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 6: my goodness, So I'm terrified. I go and I see

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Speaker 6: him across the room looking at me the same way.

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Speaker 6: And so I walked there ready for my come up,

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Speaker 6: and he looks at me.

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Speaker 3: And goes, hey, come here, you made me a star.

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Speaker 5: It was like the prodigal son coming on God.

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Speaker 1: Or you may remember him as Robert Zane in suits.

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Speaker 1: There's a long list of credits, but Wendel Pierce is

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Speaker 1: so much more. But for this renaissance man, he says,

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Speaker 1: it always begins with family.

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Speaker 5: Travel.

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Speaker 4: It's more important, you know. And also it reminds me

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Speaker 4: it's because of family. It's really interesting. I asked my

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Speaker 4: brother who. I had three brothers. My oldest was Stacy Pierce,

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Speaker 4: and my middle brother, Ron Pierce went to West Point

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Speaker 4: and he was a military officer who had the codes.

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Speaker 4: He was a luclear yet nuclear war a Persian ju

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Speaker 4: Forest of Germany with the power of tenor Roschman's wow.

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Speaker 4: And he's the first lieutenant. And I said, could you

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Speaker 4: And I said, wow, I mean you know, I mean

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Speaker 4: you had no second thoughts. He said, no second thoughts.

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Speaker 5: I said why.

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Speaker 4: He said, because I always knew someone had just attacked

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Speaker 4: my family.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And that's why he had a real pushback on the war.

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Speaker 4: And when the policy of US policy changed and said

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Speaker 4: we're a first strike nation with Iraq. Oh that my

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Speaker 4: brother is so vehemently against that, can't I tell you?

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Speaker 4: He said, that is the only thing that kept the

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Speaker 6: Wow, he said, after that choice, that starts to have

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Speaker 5: He's out of the military now.

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Speaker 4: But I say that because it reminded me of how

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Speaker 4: much family means to us as a black man from

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Speaker 5: That goes even further. You know, there's a story of

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Speaker 4: My great grandfather, Ara Steel was fourteen at emancipation and

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Speaker 5: Say he was enslaved. And they said that prayers that night.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure the first one was I hope one day

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Speaker 4: The first he said, you ever be free, You're not

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Speaker 4: a Harris, You're a Christoph. Go back and find your

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Speaker 4: father and your brothers and sisters. You have brothers and

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Speaker 4: sisters and a father. He was sold with his mother

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Speaker 4: as a year and a half. Like to use the

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Speaker 6: And it was important because that story was actually in

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Speaker 6: the piano lesson the recent movie Oh Wow, and his

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Speaker 4: I wonder if it lasted in the movie. I just

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't see I haven't seen the movie yet,

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Speaker 5: I'm rambling on. I apologize.

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Speaker 4: But family is very important to us here, very very

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Speaker 5: It also defies place for me.

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Speaker 1: I want to focus on that. We're family in a

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Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Obviously the family you're born with,

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Speaker 1: and then the friends who are your family. And right now,

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Speaker 1: more than ever, I think that in our society it

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Speaker 1: to be a soldier on your own. And when I

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Speaker 1: very comforting way the people treat you like family, how

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Speaker 1: kind they were from the moment you get off there,

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Speaker 1: you know, get off the plane. Obviously, again it's a

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Speaker 1: special situation, right, But I'm really curious what you thought

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Speaker 1: about halftime performance. I felt it felt like family. It

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Speaker 1: message for family. It felt very powerful, disruptive, welcoming all

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Speaker 1: of the all of the emotions that I had a

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Speaker 4: First of all, I knew that would be the impact

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Speaker 4: but I mean and in the best way meaning it was.

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Speaker 4: It was so uniquely That's the one thing I know

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Speaker 4: about Kendrick Lamar I'm very bad with I'm a big

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Speaker 4: jazz head. Okay, so I'm real bad in the rap

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Speaker 4: game and stuff. So I always have to be educated

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Speaker 4: about it. Kendrick Lamar, Man, it's so connected to you know,

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Speaker 5: You see everything.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, yeah, And and and raps will always

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Speaker 5: For me, I'm like, at that a again, all of us, and.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I love that song. I know, I know,

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Speaker 4: I know crip walking, I know that, Uh they're not

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry about that in the business reading this morning,

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Speaker 4: like you know, what did that mean?

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Speaker 5: What did that mean?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 4: And so what was great about it was I knew

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Speaker 4: that he was sending messages out there, and this is

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Speaker 4: The message is out there about the dualogy of being

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Dan Olofsky actually said on first tick, was that intentional?

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Speaker 3: That the red, white and blue and it looked like

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, yes, yessed.

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Speaker 2: And it was televised And the.

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Speaker 4: Thing that the greatest moment for me was when Sam

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Speaker 4: Uncle Sam, and man, I was like, yeah, where we're going?

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Speaker 3: And you can tell people.

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Speaker 4: Who duck, people who don't know rap, people who didn't

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Speaker 4: know Kendrick Lamar right.

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Speaker 5: When they saw that, Yeah, they knew something was up.

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Speaker 5: A big black.

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Speaker 4: Man is uncle Sam, right, And I'm sure this morning

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Speaker 4: as we tape this, you know, we have an American

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Speaker 4: Gaza and all your Palestinians are not coming back. That's

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Speaker 4: what you were making.

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Speaker 6: That's what you were saying when you were saying, I.

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Speaker 5: Am Uncle Sam.

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Speaker 4: Uncle Sam made me this big black man in American

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Speaker 4: aw and there's others, you know, So we'll spend the

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Speaker 5: So I'd love that. The one disappointment that I had was.

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Speaker 4: Me not knowing anything about rap and I could care

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Speaker 5: And forth and breaking all the stuff. You know, you

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Speaker 5: Show, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, boy up in Canada dated Serrina.

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Speaker 3: Oh you saying, oh I see that, you know not.

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Speaker 5: I know one thing.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of white folks that'd like to

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Speaker 3: And the revolution was televised.

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Speaker 2: It was televised.

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Speaker 3: It was a big stage in the world.

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Speaker 4: Everybody saw that, right, So one disappointment was I know,

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Speaker 4: the worst, but I know we gonna be all right.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we gonna be all right.

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Speaker 2: I know where you're going. I know where you're going,

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Speaker 2: the Black.

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Speaker 4: Lives matter of movement, and I wanted that to be

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Speaker 4: And that's that's the only disappointment. Yeah, because we need

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Speaker 4: to hear that right now more than ever.

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Speaker 5: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I think to love it for that reason. That reason.

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Speaker 2: But you had it.

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Speaker 1: You had a question about the set list, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, you're not the only one this morning, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Monday morning quarterback is you know, I'm really curious

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Speaker 1: about why he chose that set list, why he opened

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Speaker 1: with a new freestyle that most of us have never

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Speaker 1: heard before. Why didn't he use some of his other songs,

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Speaker 1: Because inside of the stadium there was a there was

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Speaker 1: a disconnect because to your point, some people aren't that familiar.

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Speaker 1: He's not commercial. But that was the beauty and what

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Speaker 1: the family meeting was. The family meeting wasn't for everybody.

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Speaker 1: It was just for those who were supposed to know.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I loved what he did. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: case in point.

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Speaker 4: Also go on also with that disconnection, it was it

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Speaker 2: That's what Kindrick gave us. That's what you do.

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Speaker 1: rooting for the guy who had all the way to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl and was injured and he couldn't pull

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Speaker 1: it off and he was heartbroken.

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Speaker 3: And more, I would say.

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Speaker 5: More people were rooting for Philadelphia. You think, so that's that?

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Speaker 2: You think?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah yeah? Not in the seas we were sitting there.

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Speaker 5: You weren't a sweet I was, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, listen, man, you know, listen. You know that

456
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Speaker 4: whole Midwestern value system and everything.

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Speaker 5: You know, we try to avoid illusion of Philadelphia.

458
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, blue collar, blue collar.

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Speaker 4: City, urban, and you know we're the Midwest, you know,

460
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: you know, and the Midwest fans didn't know Kendrick.

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Speaker 5: It's just like fans.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: When I saw that black quarterback kiss his black fiance,

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Speaker 1: and I saw that, and I saw that that beautiful

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Speaker 1: performance from straight from New Orleans, everyone there was so

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Speaker 1: amazing halftime performance, amazing.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'll take this win today. I will

468
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Speaker 2: take this win today. You it was too many winds, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 5: It was it was black excellence was on display.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, black excellence.

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Speaker 4: Was on display, Black love was on display, and black

473
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Speaker 4: intelligence was on display.

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Speaker 2: Everything everything, everything.

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Speaker 4: Everything that has been attacked in the past year by

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Speaker 4: this criminal enterprise that's happening. We we cannot sit silent

477
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Speaker 4: as we allow a message of hate and division to

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Speaker 4: be normalized and criminality to be normalized. And Donald Trump

479
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: is the easiest depiction of that. But I was more

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Speaker 4: interested in the people that roared at the approval of

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Speaker 4: seeing him there.

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Speaker 5: What did it?

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Speaker 2: What did it give me?

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Speaker 1: The percentage for you when they showed him, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the in his suite at the game. Tell me

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Speaker 1: the sixty forty of people applauding and booing seventy thirty

487
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Speaker 1: what in your mind?

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Speaker 2: What was it? How'd you receive that?

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Speaker 5: It was interesting?

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Speaker 4: I felt as though it was it was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: sixty just seventy percent cheering. I felt it was about

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Speaker 4: and I would say thirty nine percent that they're seething

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Speaker 4: ha one percent booed a ha.

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Speaker 5: That thirty nine percent. Now, I would say, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: go take it back.

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Speaker 4: I would say it was about fifty five percent people

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Speaker 4: cheering forty four percent of people seething.

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Speaker 5: And one percent of googles.

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Speaker 4: Right, and because people want to see and enjoying a

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Speaker 4: game that they spent tens of thousands of dollars just

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Speaker 4: to come to New Orleans to see and buy tickets,

502
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Speaker 4: and all about their average people. They're not the sponsors

503
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Speaker 4: people like us, you benefit of tickets. They're like, Man,

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Speaker 4: if I get into this right now, you know, I'm

505
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Speaker 4: gonna have to fight this dude next to me.

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Speaker 5: For four hours.

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Speaker 3: And I would actually rather talk trash and talk shit.

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Speaker 4: To him about football than.

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Speaker 5: Really about where we are.

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Speaker 4: In this country because we might go to blows or something.

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Speaker 4: You know, That's how I felt, right, I felt like,

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Speaker 4: let me just sit here quietly, and but I can't

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Speaker 4: just let him go without a boom boom.

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Speaker 5: You know, some people looked at me and everything.

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Speaker 4: I was like, y'all know, you know it is you

516
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Speaker 4: know that's what percentage was around.

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Speaker 5: Well great, what a great? What was great about the

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Speaker 5: moment I was talking about? That silence? That silence was

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Speaker 5: really miss Anne is working war, mister Joe, who is

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Speaker 5: you know?

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Speaker 4: True guest services When they went and someone said, hey,

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Speaker 4: you're the President's here right, and they just have to

523
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Speaker 4: look at me and go.

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Speaker 5: Huh, there's a lot of that. That's what the silence was.

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Speaker 2: Huh, it's a conversation.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was just like hmm, right, and what's what's happening?

527
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: Is That kind of emboldened me.

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Speaker 4: And because it realized that people are not sitting back right,

529
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 4: I thought, man, are we so depressed?

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Speaker 5: We just lost an election. We didn't lose.

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Speaker 4: Our principle, right, But you said, I'm like, oh, people

532
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: are like, huh, it's sitting back and they're doing what

533
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Speaker 4: Andy Reid did not doft time.

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Speaker 1: He made zero adjustments, zero aggressments.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, have you heard he's a running

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Speaker 4: back on your team for Cheko?

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Speaker 5: Also they're running backs. Have you heard of them?

538
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Speaker 1: Have you? I was, I was so surprised because they

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Speaker 1: are they have been a third quarter team, a second

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Speaker 1: half team. They haven't been you know, I get it,

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Speaker 1: I get it, but I was really surprised.

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Speaker 2: Andy surprised me. He I thought he had it.

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Speaker 5: They got pressed. What I mean.

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Speaker 2: They were dumb.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even have when I say, the defense when

546
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Speaker 1: they were fly Ego fly, they were all over them.

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Speaker 1: They could not do anything. I was how many times

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Speaker 1: did Mahomes get sacked. I was shocked at what I saw.

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Speaker 5: I was shocked.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, this and man, I here someone this morning

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Speaker 4: talk about it. They should have given nothing to take

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Speaker 4: away from Jalen Hurt. Sure, he obviously the m v

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Speaker 4: P the game, and but my god, that front four

554
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: took them out.

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Speaker 1: You're onto something. They I said the same thing. I

556
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Speaker 1: was like, the defense deserve the D line deserves the

557
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Speaker 1: entire MVP award.

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Speaker 2: They really did well.

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Speaker 5: Going back and looking at the game, they literally did

560
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Speaker 5: not blitz.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, just like, man, they.

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Speaker 5: Did not have to blitz at all.

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing they where. Boy, that's where you

564
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 4: know Specnolo Spec.

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00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: The their offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: The defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: For the Kansas City That's what he has been an

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00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: all He's been everywhere his nickname.

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Speaker 2: Is, but he's been yeah, yeah, I you're right.

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00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: Bags has this wonderful career of going to all these

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Speaker 4: Super Bowls with Kansas City Chiefs and winning and with

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Speaker 4: New York and winning with the Giants.

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Speaker 5: But there was a time he came.

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Speaker 2: To New Orleans and did what and we were.

575
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Speaker 4: The worst defense in the history of the league.

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Speaker 5: It felt like he.

577
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: Was awful here, and he was awful here, awful, and

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Speaker 4: then he went to Kansas City and and.

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Speaker 3: I was just like, they don't talk about those, they don't.

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Speaker 2: He's a genius.

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Speaker 5: He's a genius. That's what it was.

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Speaker 4: It was like, Oh, he came back to New Orleans

583
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: and he reverted back to He didn't know this is

584
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: the wrong player for him to come and play a

585
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl because he obviously reverting back to the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: We knew we'll be right back in just a few moments.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Naked Sports. As we continue our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Wendell Pearce, we meet at the intersection of politics

589
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: and culture.

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00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 5: So I can tell this story.

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00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I played Clarence Thomas, Yes you did.

592
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 5: Against Anita Carrie Washington play Anita Hill. Yep, and Rush.

593
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: Limbaugh confirmation going off, going off on.

594
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: You know, all these liberals are going to ruin this

595
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: great judge and you know, I just come out and

596
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: sail this nasty Sam portray. But that actor, I really

597
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: like that actor playing him.

598
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 5: I liked him.

599
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: Wonder why I really like him? But oh, it's gonna

600
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: be an awful movie. I heard that, so I reached out,

601
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: you know, I reached out to.

602
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 5: Him and I said, listen, I don't want to go

603
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 5: on the show I had. I never got to talk

604
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: to him. I said, I don't want to go on

605
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: the show.

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: I actually want to meet you, because I'm always curious

607
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: about people that I am, you know, one eighty the opposite. No,

608
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: I couldn't meet Trump though, not yet, but see Steven Miller.

609
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: I would like to sit down.

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00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, right, and they're probably all fans.

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00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 7: And so, and Rush Limbaugh responded back like, no, I

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Speaker 7: can't be seen with him, mmm, right, because it messes

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Speaker 7: up my brand.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh wow?

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Speaker 5: If he on a casual thing like sitting and having lunch.

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Speaker 4: With me, wow, it messes up my brand. Now, the

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00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: other flip side of it is there. You know, sometimes

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: people want me to come and kind of soften the

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00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 4: way people perceive them. I have a dear friend who's

620
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 4: a big conservative writer, Ron Dreer, who did my book

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00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: together with me. Right, and Rodreer called me and said,

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00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: Wendell Tucker Carlson is here. I was working in Budapest

623
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Speaker 4: on Jack Ryant. Tucker Carlson is here. Would you like

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00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: to have dinner with him.

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00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: I was like, absolutely not, I said, Rod, absolutely not.

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00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: You know I don't want to and it's not someone

627
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: and I know he only wants to have dinner with

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Speaker 4: me because that would be kind of give him some cachet.

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Speaker 5: And I was like.

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Speaker 4: No, he goes no, no, wendo is not like I said, Rod,

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Speaker 4: You and I are political opposites. You know, I tell

632
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: you when I hate what you say and what you write.

633
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: But the reason we get along is because we found

634
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Speaker 4: some commonalogy.

635
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 5: We found our humanity.

636
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 4: I came home after Katrina to help rebuild my community.

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 5: You came home back.

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00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 4: To Louisiana when your sister was at deathbed and hospice,

639
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: family and Louisiana and home is important to us.

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00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 5: That's what we found in common.

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00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: And when we found that in common, you realize you

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00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: knew so little about your black neighbor as you were

643
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: doing the book with me, and you reached out and

644
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: learned about the lynchings that happened just in your vicinity

645
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 4: of bad neuge and stuff.

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Speaker 5: He said, I said, do you remember that, you know?

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Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, Tucker's not interested in.

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Speaker 2: That interesting, and that's why I don't.

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: Want to meet with him. And it's yeah, that's I

650
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 5: don't know how I got them, but I guess yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned and I will tell you as you will

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Speaker 1: know Katrina. I was a local news reporter in West

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Speaker 1: Palm when Hurricane Katrina happened. And to me, there were

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Speaker 1: only two times in where in my lifetime where I

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Speaker 1: maybe three, where I felt like the I felt like

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Speaker 1: the entire world was rooting for us. And I also

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Speaker 1: felt like the country, the country in which we live

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Speaker 1: in that felt more like family and unity, which has

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Speaker 1: been the theme. Katrina was one of those times. Heartbreaking, heartbreaking, heartbreaking, heartbreaking,

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Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, you know, will the city ever recover?

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Speaker 1: And I know that you were very instrumental in helping

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Speaker 1: rebuild that city. What would be your advice for those

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Speaker 1: in Altadena? Because not that they're sister cities, but there

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Speaker 1: is this community elderly black people who live have been

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Speaker 1: in Altadena for so long, so many people I know

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Speaker 1: who've lost their homes, people who have paid off their

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Speaker 1: homes some twenty years ago, no insurance, eighty years old

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Speaker 1: and you don't have anything. You find yourself at eighty

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Speaker 1: years old and you don't have a home. A senior

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Speaker 1: Citizen's sixty five and above whatever you want to say.

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Speaker 1: They don't have anywhere to go, and they are relying

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Speaker 1: on the kindness of strangers and perhaps the morality of

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Speaker 1: this country to build them back up. What were your

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Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, what were the steps in

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Speaker 1: rebuilding in Katrina.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Altadena is a mirror of the community

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Speaker 4: I grew up and helped to rebuild. And that's parts

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Speaker 4: of Train Park created out of the Civil rights movement,

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Speaker 4: when folks coming back from World War two could not

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Speaker 4: even purchase a home anywhere they wanted to because of covenants.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't even go into the park because in the

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Speaker 4: park you could only go if you're a black person,

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Speaker 4: one day a week. To fight that, we created punch

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Speaker 4: Train Park. Altadena was like that as well. People thought

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Speaker 4: put them up against the hills. Going into the hills

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Speaker 4: was a place that people didn't want to go to.

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Speaker 4: So that this thriving black community comes from there. We

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Speaker 4: as a Joshua generation, owed it to that Moses generation

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Speaker 4: that went through that to build that community. We owe

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Speaker 4: it to them to rebuild it. And this is how

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Speaker 4: we do it. Exercise that right of self determination. There

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Speaker 4: was great legislation in the nineties called community development legislation

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Speaker 4: where banks are given and cities are given large sums

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Speaker 4: of money from the federal government and if you put

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Speaker 4: it out on the street in a certain way, it

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Speaker 4: is graded high. They call them CRA points, and we

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Speaker 4: get large points. More money is given to you the

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Speaker 4: following year, and the budget is increased, you get more,

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Speaker 4: so you always it is in the best interest of

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Speaker 4: the city and banks themselves to get high CRA points

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Speaker 4: so that they can get more money the next year.

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Speaker 4: That's when banking in the nineties went from just retail

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Speaker 4: checking in SI like we know of ye to business

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Speaker 4: accounts and it added community banking. That's where you saw

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Speaker 4: the proliferation of credit Union, and that's every bank has

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Speaker 4: a community banking division. When they get to put their

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Speaker 4: percentage on top in the loan. But they're getting all

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Speaker 4: the money without free from the federal government. It is

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Speaker 4: in their best interests and they they are incentivized. The

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Speaker 4: best way to access that money out to dina is

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Speaker 4: to create a Community Development Court, which is a nonprofit

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Speaker 4: that becomes a place where those banks can put that

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Speaker 4: money into for development get those high grades, so.

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Speaker 5: They could get more money than next year.

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Speaker 4: They are incentivized to find a community that organizes their

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Speaker 4: right a self determination and create a model to get

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Speaker 4: money funding for the redevelopment of a beautiful part of

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Speaker 4: Los Angeles. Yeah, and is deserving And that is how.

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Speaker 5: We did it.

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Speaker 4: We did that in punch of trained part. We built

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Speaker 4: forty homes. The Community Development Corporation found people who we

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Speaker 4: wanted to have access to, people who went through credit counseling.

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Speaker 4: They got soft second loans they were giving. It also

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Speaker 4: gives the community and corporations and other entities that want

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Speaker 4: to contribute and know that it's going somewhere and make

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Speaker 4: get the benefit of contributing to a nonprofit.

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Speaker 2: But how do you how do you stop vultures? How

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Speaker 2: do you stop people from trying?

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Speaker 4: The other side of that is you have the other

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Speaker 4: side of that is I think of the Dickens novel.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to think of the best

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Speaker 4: of times. It was the worst of timesh Tale of

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Speaker 4: Two Cities. It is always like that. Around a disaster,

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Speaker 4: you will see the best in people and then you

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Speaker 4: will also see the worst. And what you want to

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Speaker 4: do is this is when you lean on the very

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Speaker 4: people you put in office, and you want to make

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Speaker 4: sure that a database is put together of contractors, so

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Speaker 4: you go to we we had the Urban League put

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Speaker 4: together a database of contractors, one who they were going

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Speaker 4: to have to be accountable, and two giving opportunities, especially

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Speaker 4: now to black and diverse companies who never get the

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Speaker 4: shot right. So you can find someone who's going to

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Speaker 4: be held accountable by the National Urban League, and also

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Speaker 4: give opportunities to small black businesses that are now being

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Speaker 4: eliminated from consideration in federal projects because the federal government

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Speaker 4: now is cutting all the DEI projects. So we have

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Speaker 4: to create that ourselves and the local chapter of the

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Speaker 4: Negro the National Earthly League for us, that's a great

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Speaker 4: way to protect yourself from vultures. The other thing is

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Speaker 4: go to your insurance the state insurance Commissioner, and really

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Speaker 4: that's demand that they make all of the insurance companies

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Speaker 4: accountable who are doing in California what they did in Louisiana,

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Speaker 4: which is not honor claims. And by not honoring their claims,

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Speaker 4: they're going to send you to all the American Red Cross.

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Speaker 8: Organizations and all the philanthropic groups that are giving money

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Speaker 8: and that's great to try to be the smoke screen

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Speaker 8: for the fact that they pulled out insurance companies from

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Speaker 8: you and redlined Alta Dina saying that they're not going

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Speaker 8: to And that's when you hold them accountable with the

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Speaker 8: commissioner and sue go after them and demand that your

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Speaker 8: commissioner puts together a class action shoot against them.

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Speaker 5: And I also believe that the electric.

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Speaker 4: Company, we have proof of it, started that fire. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and so I lived for decades in Pasadena, so I

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Speaker 4: love that community.

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Speaker 5: You see my hairs jacked up right now because my barber.

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Speaker 1: Is in Pasadena on Lincoln Yes, no, no, no, on

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Speaker 1: Lake on Lake, I'm Lake Okay.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Just in time Okay, shout out to just in time

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Speaker 1: on Lake Avenue. Well to Pierce, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being here. I can talk to you for two hours,

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Speaker 1: but I know you have a you have many jobs

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Speaker 1: and many things to do. I appreciate the encouragement and

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Speaker 1: the inspiration and obviously the instruction.

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Speaker 4: Thank you you have been Your voice is so important

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Speaker 4: to be out there, and it was an honor for

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Speaker 4: me to be on the show.

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Speaker 5: I hope I made sense.

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Speaker 2: You do perfect.

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Speaker 5: I hope I did ramble.

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Speaker 4: Nope, I hope you had a good time in New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 5: I look forward to seeing you in New York.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 5: I am Tri Coastal people, I'm in New Orleans. Right here.

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Speaker 5: This is my office.

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Speaker 4: This is my business partner's office. I always take the

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Speaker 4: big office. And so I am Gulf Coast, East Coast,

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Speaker 4: and West Coast. Okay, I am tri Coastal. I love

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Speaker 4: the communities that I live, and I love being an

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Speaker 4: active because that's what it's all about, that humanity. And

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Speaker 4: you do that with your vision of community and your

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Speaker 4: knowledge of.

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Speaker 5: Sports and connecting it to sports.

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Speaker 4: Humanity you bring to your work is demonstrated in your

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Speaker 4: media and journalistic acumen, and it was demonstrated in your

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Speaker 4: talents as an athlete.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate I receive all those flowers. I receive all

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Speaker 1: those awkward to do, hard to do, but I receive it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

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