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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 1: There is a lot to talk about this morning. So

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Speaker 1: as we appreviewed for you last night a just utterly

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Speaker 1: disastrous attempt to launch his presidential campaign for Rondo Santis

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Speaker 1: last night on Twitter, had a bit of a better

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Speaker 1: And also listen, you called it in particular, but we

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Speaker 3: But let's go ahead and get to DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I also have sent a message to

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Speaker 4: Take a listen, please introduced to individuals who've done more

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Speaker 4: We had over half a million people in one Twitter

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Speaker 7: Are there policy differences or is it more about electability

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Speaker 8: Well, why now? I think it's because the country's going

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Speaker 8: I think we should debate. I think the people want

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Speaker 2: Florida is booming open for business. Nobody has entitled to it.

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Speaker 3: You have to earn it.

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Speaker 2: So overall, I actually think those are you know, decent

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Speaker 1: thought he was going to raise.

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Speaker 2: It was about a million dollars in an hour, which

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Speaker 2: is not bad, but as you and I know, a

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Speaker 2: lot of these are pre arranged donations.

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Speaker 1: Right, he was, and this is also painful. He went

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Speaker 1: straight from his various appearances to a fundraiser at the

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Speaker 1: Four Seasons Hotel in Miami. Donors were sitting there listening

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Speaker 1: to this whole thing unfold on audio before he shows

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Speaker 1: up at the fundraiser. So yeah, he had a lot

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Speaker 1: of this lined up for a top candidate like this,

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Speaker 1: A million dollars is really not that impressive. And they

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Speaker 1: went on Twitter spaces from having with the original one

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Speaker 1: that they had to bail out of having over half

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Speaker 1: a million people listening to having half of that at

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Speaker 1: its peak when they were able to actually ramp it

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Speaker 1: up and get the thing going again. You just don't

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Speaker 1: get those chances over again. You don't get this moment

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Speaker 1: where the media is completely focused on you and hanging

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Speaker 1: on your every word and analyzing what you're doing. You

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Speaker 1: just don't get those moments back. So is it a

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Speaker 1: campaign endor?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Is this a real blow for him at a time

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Speaker 1: when he was already kind of struggling in the polls.

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Speaker 1: There's just no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: That's the way I would put it.

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Speaker 2: So let's go to the second part here and just

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Speaker 2: talk about like if he's going to rescue himself, how

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Speaker 2: he's going to do it. Well, we've talked here before

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Speaker 2: about the early ground game. Let's go and put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This is a peak very

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Speaker 2: much into his overall plan. So the DeSantis pro DeSantis

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Speaker 2: super pac is planning on spending two hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: in a voter outreach push all across New Hampshire, Nevada,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina, and Iowa. And the reason why, Crystal is

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Speaker 2: they believe that with the small number of voters in

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Speaker 2: those states, those early primary states, that with the right

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Speaker 2: amount of money recruiting the right number of people door knockers,

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Speaker 2: that they can go and hire twenty six hundred field

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Speaker 2: or organizers by Labor Day and knock on any potential

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Speaker 2: DeSantis voter four or five times on the door door.

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Speaker 2: So if you have anyway expressed this and you live

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Speaker 2: in any of these states, good luck to.

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Speaker 3: You buy a ring door or something. You're in for it.

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Speaker 3: But it's your own fault though, because you expressed it.

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Speaker 1: Rob is going to pass your door.

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Speaker 3: A doorstep rob and.

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Speaker 2: His people are going to be at your doorstep. But overall,

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Speaker 2: I actually do think this is a smart play. So

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Speaker 2: he's got what is DeSantis' core strength, He's got a

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Speaker 2: ton of money, He's got more name ID than anybody else.

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Speaker 2: If there is any person in this race who poses

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Speaker 2: any threat to Trump at all, it is Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: So what does he need?

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Speaker 2: He needs good earned media, great headlines to give voters

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Speaker 2: post early states the permission to vote for him.

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Speaker 3: He has to win Iowa or New Hampshire. I think

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Speaker 3: there's no question.

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Speaker 2: If he does not win either of those states, I

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Speaker 2: think he's absolutely done for his plan. If there is

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Speaker 2: such a thing that could work, is Iowa or New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a number two finish or a number one finish

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Speaker 2: in South Carolina, decent showing in Nevada, and then a

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Speaker 2: forty fifty percent showing half and half and Super Tuesday

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Speaker 2: where you steam into the Florida Primary. You give Floridian

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Speaker 2: is the opportunity to put you up over the over

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Speaker 2: Trump in both of your own home states. That gives

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Speaker 2: you credibility going into the race, and it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a race all the way to the convention.

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Speaker 3: That's the only.

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Speaker 2: Possible kind of map where that you can look at

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Speaker 2: for a way this is going to work. But it's

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Speaker 2: all predicated have to win one of those two first states,

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Speaker 2: no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman is reporting, among others this morning he's planning

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Speaker 1: a four day swaying through twelve cities in early States

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Speaker 1: next week. You know, the part of the contrast they

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Speaker 1: want to strike with both Trump and Biden is the generational.

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Speaker 3: Contrast forty four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is smart, but you know, even though Trump

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Speaker 1: is no spring Chicken, there just aren't the same age

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Speaker 1: concerns about him as there are with Biden. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley has really tried to make this case as

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Speaker 1: well with her whole like competency test for people who

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Speaker 1: are at the age of seventy or whatever. Her line

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Speaker 1: in the sand was there, and I just don't know

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Speaker 1: that it lands in the Republican primary the way that

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Speaker 1: it lands with overall voters in terms of concerns about

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, because people age in very different ways, and

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Speaker 1: there's just no sign that Trump is really slowing down

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Speaker 1: or any real demonstrated concerns about his energy level or

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Speaker 1: just like technical competence to handle the job. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure it's as effective an attack on Trump as

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Speaker 1: it is on Biden, or that those concerns exist in

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Speaker 1: the same way. But this is the strategy you have

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Speaker 1: to employ. I do think his you know, some of

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Speaker 1: his cultural right positions, in particular on abortion. I think

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Speaker 1: they help him in a state like Iowa. Iowa's very

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Speaker 1: grass roots, it's very hands on. They expect to hear

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Speaker 1: directly from the candidate and from the candidate surrogates. They

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Speaker 1: are rolling out in operation. We'll see how effective it

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Speaker 1: is after this Twitter launch, but they're rolling out a

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Speaker 1: large operation to try to reach voters directly, and you know,

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Speaker 1: potentially this is the way that if he's able to

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Speaker 1: overcome the odds in Iowa and take that early state,

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Speaker 1: maybe that does cause other voters nationwide to take another

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Speaker 1: look at him and reconsider whether they're going to stick

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Speaker 1: with Trump. We're going to talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about Trump's response to DeSantis, but you know, he also

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Speaker 1: continues in both the Twitter spaces and the interviews that

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Speaker 1: he gave later on, he didn't say Trump's name, and

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Speaker 1: I understand why. Right again, this is the prisoner's dilemma

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Speaker 1: issue here. He takes these little jabs about you know,

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Speaker 1: if any everybody's got to earn it there, no one

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Speaker 1: should be entitled to anything in this world. He says

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Speaker 1: to Trey Goudy about you know, the expectations. That's about

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Speaker 1: Trump floating that he may not debate. But are you

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Speaker 1: really giving people enough to move off of a guy

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Speaker 1: that they really like, that they've put in office before.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, some of them love him, are committed to him.

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Speaker 1: Ninety percent of the Republican base at least likes him

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Speaker 1: and has affection for him, and likes generally his policy

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Speaker 1: positions and his plans, et cetera. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: he has given voters enough to move off of the

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Speaker 1: guy that they already like. Now, maybe Chris Christy comes

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Speaker 1: in as a torpedo or somebody else does the dirty

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Speaker 1: work for him. That's probably the best thing that he

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Speaker 1: and these other candets get home.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think Trump's not going to go to

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Speaker 3: the debate.

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Speaker 2: If it was just DeSantis on his own, then it

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Speaker 2: would it would actually look terrible for him not to come.

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Speaker 2: But if DeSantis is on a stage with vike Ramaswamy,

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Speaker 2: with Nicki Haley, with Chris Christy, with Christian Nunu, with

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Speaker 2: Asa Hutchinson and all these other people.

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Speaker 1: Then and they're going to be taking shots at him

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Speaker 1: bingo and they already are shots at him.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean just last night I saw for a Viake

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami going after DeSantis has scripted candidate Nicki Haley made

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Speaker 2: fun of him for his failed launch. Tim Scott and

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Speaker 2: all of them are absolutely taking notice. So if DeSantis

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Speaker 2: looks like one of many against Trump, then he fails.

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Speaker 2: When he looks like the only alternative to Trump, then

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Speaker 2: he's going to see or he k has the possibility

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Speaker 2: to succeed. Trump is having an absolute field day with

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Speaker 2: this one. He's having the most fun online that he's

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Speaker 2: probably had in a long time. His team put together,

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Speaker 2: uh this video which shows a SpaceX rocket falling on

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Speaker 2: its side and exploding with Aron DeSantis logo that has

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Speaker 2: been rejiggered as a JEB logo.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they put out on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't even pick up on the JEB expoation.

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Speaker 2: On first thing I saw, I was like, that's the

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Speaker 2: JEB stroke. Look, you got to give it to Trump

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Speaker 2: in him and his people they're good trolls. Let's put

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Speaker 2: this next one. You and I did not like this

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Speaker 2: particular one. This was his first reaction. Rob My red

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Speaker 2: button is bigger, better, stronger, and is working truth Yours

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Speaker 2: does not per my conversation with Kim John Goud of

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Speaker 2: North Korea. He's referencing I guess his red button that

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Speaker 2: was in reference to the fire and fury. But he

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Speaker 2: has redeemed himself, I think with some pretty hilarious videos

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Speaker 2: that have since been put out. They've got one that

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Speaker 2: was distributed by the campaign. This is more of a

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Speaker 2: policy focused one. Let's go ahead and take a listen

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Speaker 2: to this.

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Speaker 10: Twenty sixteen. President Trump defeats the Liberals and heads to

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Speaker 10: Washington to train the swamp, but swamp creature Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 10: is about to start his third term in Congress, and

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Speaker 10: he's already voted repeated to cut Social Security and Medicare.

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Speaker 10: Twenty seventeen. Trump passes huge tax cuts for nearly everyone,

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Speaker 10: and Ron DeSantis he's pushing a bill that would swap

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Speaker 10: those tax cuts for a new twenty three percent national

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Speaker 10: sales tax, making families paid more. Twenty eighteen, Trump is

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Speaker 10: building the wall, securing the border, fighting the invasion, while

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Speaker 10: Ron DeSantis is voting against funding for Trump's wall in Washington.

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Speaker 10: One was a leader and one let us down.

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Speaker 3: So what can you see from there? One was a leader,

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Speaker 3: one let us down.

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Speaker 2: They're having a much more policy case that they're prosecuting,

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Speaker 2: and that's why I actually think their two pronged attack

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Speaker 2: has been smart. They've both been trying to hit him

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Speaker 2: on Trump is the real person on immigration. Also, this

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Speaker 2: didn't escape some commentary, but it did not escape me.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis actually pledged to finish the border wall in Fox

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Speaker 2: interview last night. I was like, that's smart because it's

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Speaker 2: one of the most common critiques that I hear from

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Speaker 2: MAGA Republicans who support to Santans's like DeSantis actually believes

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Speaker 2: and is going to do what Trump said he was

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Speaker 2: going to do. But Trump is hitting DeSantis on a

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Speaker 2: social security medicare case, on a immigration case, on a

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Speaker 2: Ukraine case, and then also from a humorous trolling case

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Speaker 2: like he did against Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 1: And marcovi postercase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So those two things together, I actually think

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Speaker 2: that's you know, that's pretty potent.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be effective.

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Speaker 1: Trump's attacks and his issue said are in my view,

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Speaker 1: much smarter and more strategic. You know, I mean Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he won't even say Trump's name. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's part of the asymmetry of this dynamic is Trump

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Speaker 1: throws everything at disantas. I mean, we've seen probably like

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Speaker 1: fifty different types of attacks against DeSantis. Just throws everything

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Speaker 1: against the wall, fair, unfair, in between, and sees what sticks.

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Speaker 1: But the most consistent things they seem to be leaning

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Speaker 1: into are Medicare and social Security maybe number one. I

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Speaker 1: mean I hear that from Trump and from his team

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Speaker 1: very often. And now we also have this new hit

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Speaker 1: on DeSantis wanting to raise the sales tax. This is

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Speaker 1: like the fair tax stuff that routinely comes up in

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Speaker 1: Republican libertarian circles that would raise sales tax a massive

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Speaker 1: amount across the board for everyone. So and they're hitting

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Speaker 1: him on immigration, which DeSantis is trying to do, but

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Speaker 1: he has to do it in this oblique, passive, aggressive

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Speaker 1: way where you don't even mention Trump or your actual

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Speaker 1: critique of him. And that's obviously a core issue for

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Speaker 1: the Republican base as well. So it seems to me

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Speaker 1: like Trump is focused on issues that are of much

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Speaker 1: higher importance and resonance to a broader swath not just

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Speaker 1: of the Republican base, but of the country at large

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Speaker 1: than Ron DeSantis is. Who's running this more sort of

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Speaker 1: like niche online campaign.

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Speaker 2: And this is all reflected in the polling. Our team

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Speaker 2: has made some graphics on this. Let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is from the latest poll

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Speaker 2: that you can see just first choice amongst Republican primary

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Speaker 2: voters in a multi candidate field. What can you see

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Speaker 2: Trump at a majority fifty three percent, DeSantis only at

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Speaker 2: twenty six percent. Let's go to the next one there, guys,

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Speaker 2: because this one is important when it says Trump is

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Speaker 2: my first choice, but I would consider then you have

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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis as the overwhelming second choice candidate above Tim Scott,

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley, and Larry Elder.

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Speaker 3: I always forget Larry Elders considering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about it. It's the officially in Are

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Speaker 1: you just considering I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not sure I have a soft spot for Larry after

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Speaker 2: the California recall. Let's go to the next one up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. Are you satisfied with the current

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Speaker 2: field of Republican candidates? Seventy three percent say they are

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Speaker 2: fairly satisfied, eighteen percent say very seven percent say not

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Speaker 2: at all, So that as actually a very important figure.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me of a ton of the analysis that

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Speaker 2: we used to do back in the day on the

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Speaker 2: Early Rising shows, where we were talking about Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Voters second choices were usually Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren,

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Speaker 2: and Biden's second choices were often Bernie Sanders and then

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren. The key point was that being a number

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Speaker 2: two second choice candidate is often just as powerful in

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Speaker 2: a multi candidate field because it shows that you have

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Speaker 2: lasting power and it means that you are really the

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Speaker 2: only other alternative. At that time, in our opinion, it

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Speaker 2: was really just a Biden and a Burnie race. He

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Speaker 2: probably should have treated it that way if he wanted

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Speaker 2: to win. But yeah, that's all spoiled.

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Speaker 3: Milk out of the bridge.

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Speaker 2: Now though, we're in a time where all candidates who

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Speaker 2: are not named Rond de Santis, your target is Rond

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Speaker 2: de Santis, including Trump and then everybody else. Then for

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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis, your target is everybody else and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: It's a very very difficult Uh, it's a very difficult needle.

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Speaker 3: To thread. The other problem is Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is sitting at fifty three percent, that is a near

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Speaker 2: outright majority. It once again just shows me like he

704
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Speaker 2: has got to really prove himself in these early states,

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Speaker 2: because otherwise, if he comes in second in all three

706
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Speaker 2: of the or all four of the earlies before Super Tuesday,

707
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Speaker 2: he's done. He's absolutely dead in the water. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's the that's the problem. He's got to have

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Speaker 2: great headlines and give the other fifty percent a reason

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Speaker 2: to coalesce around him.

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Speaker 3: It's the only way that this is going to work out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's another new Quinnipiac poll that's out just

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Speaker 1: this morning that shows Trump expanding his lead over de

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Speaker 1: Santis versus their last poll in the field. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's always important to look directionally where these

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Speaker 1: poles are headed, because any one of them, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've been all over the map, they've been wrong in

718
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Speaker 1: every direction, et cetera. So you should also always take

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Speaker 1: them with a grain of salt. But when you see

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Speaker 1: all of the polls moving in one direction, you can

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Speaker 1: look at that and say, okay, there is some movement here.

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Speaker 1: Do we know exactly what the absolute numbers are? So

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Speaker 1: Trump now at fifty six percent support among Republican and

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Speaker 1: Republican leaning voters. DeSantis second at twenty five percent. That

725
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Speaker 1: is a significant improvement for Trump over the last time

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Speaker 1: they took this poll back at the end of March,

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Speaker 1: when he received forty seven percent and DeSantis received thirty

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Speaker 1: three percent, So he has significantly widened his margin there.

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Speaker 1: I also, you know, we were talking early about whether

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Speaker 1: the age of candidates, whether it was the same hit

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Speaker 1: on Trump as it is for Biden, and they actually

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Speaker 1: ask that question this poll as well. So sixty five

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Speaker 1: percent of all voters think Biden is too old to

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Speaker 1: effectively serve. With Trump, the numbers are almost reversed. Fifty

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Speaker 1: nine percent think Trump is not too old to effectively serve,

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Speaker 1: only thirty six percent think that he is. And I

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Speaker 1: would bet within the Republican primary those numbers are probably

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Speaker 1: even further apart, like more Republicans feel that he is

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Speaker 1: up to the task of serving the next term. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just not sure that that generational contrast in the

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Speaker 1: Republican primary is going to be an effective hit on him.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, DeSantis is going to have to find some

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Speaker 1: way or hope that somebody else makes the case that

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Speaker 1: is going to move people off of Donald Trump, because

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Speaker 1: right now he has an outright majority. Even if everybody

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Speaker 1: else dropped down, even if Obama in their version of

747
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Speaker 1: Obama intervened and everybody dropped down at the right time, etc.

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Speaker 1: Trump still has a majority of the vote. It's not

749
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Speaker 1: particularly close right now. So you've got to find some

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Speaker 1: way to pull people off of him. Maybe the answer

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Speaker 1: is a strong showing in early states. I'm skeptical that

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Speaker 1: that dynamic is going to work out for him, though

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Speaker 1: we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is also I think people need to

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Speaker 2: understand we are not going to be talking mostly in

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Speaker 2: general election terms till that time comes, because we have

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Speaker 2: a narrow slice of the electorate whose opinion is what

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Speaker 2: determines this. I don't think it should be that way,

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Speaker 2: but it is. So that's the way that we'll have

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Speaker 2: to tailor our now. And that's one of the ways

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Speaker 2: I would think everybody who's listening to our show should

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Speaker 2: always remember is not how am I internalizing this? How

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Speaker 2: is somebody who votes unless you are a GOP primary

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Speaker 2: voter who is older.

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Speaker 1: In Iowa Newhampton, Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who are the prototypical people?

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Speaker 2: So just be honest also about where you follow in

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Speaker 2: the typical demographic, and just be like, Okay, how are

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Speaker 2: these people going to internalize what's happening here? And that's

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Speaker 2: very important. Okay, let's go to that next one. We

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Speaker 2: have to save our own segment for this, just because

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Speaker 2: it is so funny the use of artificial intelligence already rearing

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Speaker 2: its head in this race. Trump put together an AI

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Speaker 2: ad or sorry, an AI attack on Ron de Sandas,

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Speaker 2: making fun of the failed Twitter spaces launch.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. It includes voices.

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Speaker 2: From Elon, from Adolf Hitler, from all these other folks.

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Speaker 3: Is somehow in there? Let's take a listen. Guys.

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Speaker 5: Hi, everyone, welcome to our Ron Santas Twitter space.

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Speaker 7: Hello?

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Speaker 5: Is my microphone working correctly?

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Speaker 6: George?

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Speaker 5: Can you just wait while we know?

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Speaker 10: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: We can all hear you, George.

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Speaker 5: Can you just hold on for a second.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they can hear me.

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Speaker 6: Speak.

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Speaker 3: I don't think George knows how to use Twitter? Hello?

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Now?

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Speaker 8: Can I please make my big announcement now? Everyone?

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Speaker 6: Just hello.

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Speaker 3: George? Can somebody just mute George?

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Speaker 2: Could you try not to cough on.

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Speaker 10: The Okay, so how are we going to take out Trump?

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Speaker 5: You guys, uh, guys from the FBI.

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Speaker 6: This is not a private call.

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Speaker 3: This is a public Twitter space.

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Speaker 1: Everyone can listen in.

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Speaker 10: God damn it.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, guys, we invited everyone to this, uh this Twitter space.

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Speaker 5: So Governor Ron DeSantis, could.

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Speaker 8: Everyone just shut the hell up so I can make

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Speaker 8: my announcement? Okay, you go, girl, it's gay?

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Speaker 6: So what everyone in this call is gay?

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Speaker 3: God? To be honest, it's good. What can you say? Also?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will I will say it's obvious that

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Speaker 2: it's a I. But it's they're getting dangerously close there

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Speaker 2: to work. It seems a voice is pretty I also

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Speaker 2: love the you know, the problem the elon is very

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Speaker 2: on the problem is they still can't match his bizarre

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Speaker 2: pause cadence. That's actually the issue is like I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's actually two cojins of a way, and the way

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Speaker 2: they speak. It'd be like for me, you have to

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Speaker 2: factor in my swallows every like twelve whatever, or my

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Speaker 2: inarticulate nature that I know everybody hates my in order

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Speaker 2: to and all those other things.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if did they make this or they

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Speaker 1: just somebody else made it? And they posted it, so

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Speaker 1: it was posted on his Instagram.

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Speaker 3: It was posted on Instagram, and it was also posted

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Speaker 3: on his Truth social.

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Speaker 2: Page, which then migrated over to his campaign staff, which

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Speaker 2: posted it on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I do know that all of the campaigns are very

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Speaker 2: interested in all this, given the fact that the GOP

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Speaker 2: had that ai response to Joe Biden's to Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: initial launch, you had a couple of other AI ads

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Speaker 2: that have already debuted, So this is just the first,

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Speaker 2: the first of many likely.

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Speaker 1: I just look at this and I'm like, how are

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Speaker 1: you going to compete with this guy? Like he can

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Speaker 1: just get away with things that no one else can.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine advising a candidate to post that video,

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Speaker 1: but for Trump, not only isn't advisable, it works. And meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: you can trust that okay, which is just scathing, and

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Speaker 1: they got the FBI and they got the devil Adolph

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Speaker 1: Hitler all in there, like backing Rondo Santis for president,

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Speaker 1: and then you can contrast that with Rond DeSantis's little tepid,

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Speaker 1: passive aggressive jabs, which is all that he feels comfortable

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Speaker 1: to do against Trump. And again, I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: wrong in making that decision because when he did take

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Speaker 1: you know, more fulsome swing against Trump, which was still

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Speaker 1: just kind of passive aggressive about like I don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about hush money to porn stars. People freaked out

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Speaker 1: about it. I mean, well, Trump can post this, he

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Speaker 1: can call Ronda Santis a groomer, he can launch a

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Speaker 1: thousand different, you know, policy attacks against him, smear him

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Speaker 1: all day long, and everyone's just like, Eh, it's Trump.

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how. I just genuinely don't know how

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Speaker 1: you compete against it, you know. I think that rond

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Speaker 1: de Santis has tried to position himself in the most

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Speaker 1: intelligent way that he can. I do think there are

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Speaker 1: missteps there. I think his campaign is way too online.

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Speaker 1: I think the issue said is way too niche. I

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Speaker 1: think it's way too wine track. I think those vulnerabilities

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Speaker 1: were on display last night. Obviously the Twitter spaces thing

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Speaker 1: was a disaster. But I can't say he's mishandling all

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Speaker 1: of these things. I just don't know that there is

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Speaker 1: an ability, barring some unforeseen circumstances which absolutely could happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there is a lane to take

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Speaker 1: out Donald Trump's election cycle. It's just very hard for

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Speaker 1: me to imagine it.

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Speaker 2: I've always believed that, and that's why. Look, I've always

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Speaker 2: thought it's going to be it's going to be very difficult.

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Speaker 2: And you know, look, let's let's present the best case

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Speaker 2: for him, which we always do.

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Speaker 3: Trump is old.

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Speaker 2: He could literally die, he could go to prison. He

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Speaker 2: could say something. I mean, I find it's hard to believe,

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Speaker 2: given them I've covered him now for seven years, it's

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Speaker 2: never happened before. But he could say something was legitimately

876
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: disqualifies him in the eyes of the GOP electorate and

877
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: of the entire country, which makes him completely unelectable. Again,

878
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: I very much doubt that's case, but as possible there's

879
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: That's basically it. I think he could self emilate politically.

880
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: He could go to prison, although I still think they

881
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: would make him stronger. But maybe that would also self

882
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: emilate him.

883
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I would on the electability case, it would help

884
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: the DeSantis electability case strong.

885
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: I mean, at the very least, you can still run

886
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: and can't do rally from prison, so you wouldn't have

887
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: your eyes on them. Although I still think it would

888
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: turn into a media circus.

889
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

890
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: And then the third case is, like I said, Trump,

891
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: somebody could happen to Trump. He could have a health

892
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: event or something. He doesn't necessarily have to die. He

893
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: could just drop out or whatever of the race. You know,

894
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: he's old, so who knows. Those are basically the three

895
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: cases crystal ware.

896
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: So basically DeSantis's greatest hope is if Trump drops dead.

897
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's the deal. I've said this, I've told

898
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: the story before.

899
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: Lynnon Johnson, you know, was one of the most powerful

900
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: people in Washington when he's Senate Majority leader, and everyone

901
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: was like, Lyndon, why would you want to be vice president?

902
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: He said, and he literally looked at a reporter and

903
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: he cited the number of presidents who had died in office,

904
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: and he was like, twenty five percent.

905
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: I'll take those odds, Darling something like that, and wow,

906
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: heyst it worked out for him. So it's one of those.

907
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: It's one of those. Sometimes Let's say maybe the chance

908
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: is ten.

909
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: He's only forty four years old. That's not bad. He'd

910
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: be one of the youngest presidents. He'd be a youngest

911
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: president a long time. Actually, I believe forty three is

912
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: how old Kennedy was Albata. He was I would say,

913
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: later forties, so yeah, he would be quite young to

914
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: be president of the United States should he be inaugury,

915
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: So you know why not?

916
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I still think, even as I have

917
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: made the case pretty forcefully that I think it's very

918
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: difficult to succeed. I think his circumstances are not totally

919
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: under his control. I think something has to happen. I

920
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: don't know if it's as die or as Trump like

921
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: literally dying, but something big has to happen to shake

922
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: up the race in my opinion, for Ronda Santis to

923
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: have a shot. But I still sort of agree with

924
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: apparently what his wife told him, which is like, look,

925
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: you get one moment, and this is it. What I

926
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: just said, you know, this is when you're at your peak.

927
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: And maybe if you perform well in the Republican primary,

928
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: but you come up shore. Trump can only if he

929
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: wins election again, he can only serve another term. So

930
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: then maybe you're in the pole position for the next

931
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: time around. You keep yourself live for that opportunity. I mean,

932
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: I could just as easily see it going the other way.

933
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Where which is that youthly amount so disastrously or Trump

934
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: torches you so disastrously that you're sort of dead to

935
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: the GOP primary base. But I genuinely think that could

936
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: go either way. So if I was in his shoes,

937
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: I still think I'd run this time, even though the

938
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: odds at this point are really clearly against him. And

939
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: the last thing that I'll say about all of this is,

940
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I know people feel that the media treats, or some

941
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: people feel the media treats are on DeSantis unfairly, but

942
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I actually think the media was They don't want this

943
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: race to be over because it makes it less interesting, right,

944
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: It makes it there's less cable news poddo, there's less

945
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: to write about. It just makes it less sort of

946
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: ratings and click driven if the thing is basically over

947
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: before it began. And you could see in the articles

948
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: that they were writing leading up to this launch, you know,

949
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: like the one we covered about his two hundred million

950
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: dollar plan to win, which was written before the disastrous launch.

951
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: There were all these pieces about like, Okay, here's how

952
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: he could do it, and here's what his aids are saying,

953
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: and they're saying, don't worry about the early misteps, and

954
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff about him not having a real personality.

955
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: This is all nonsense. Look at how effective he's been

956
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: in Florida, et cetera. I think that they were ready

957
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: to write his resurrection narrative just to keep this thing interesting.

958
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: But now obviously that the option of writing the resurrection

959
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: narrative is off the table for the moment. I'm sure

960
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: it will come back around absolutely.

961
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: Why are we talk about the debt ceiling?

962
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: All right? So there is a movement this morning. Let

963
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: me read to you the very latest. This is from

964
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: Jake Sherman over at punch Bull, who posts up and

965
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: always gets comments from McCarthy, etc. So he says, we

966
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: don't have an element from those because it's just breaking

967
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: this morning. Republicans feel very good about a deal to

968
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: lift the debt limit. Ours expect the compromise will come

969
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: together sometime in the next few days. Intense pressure to

970
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: rap negotiations up as soon as possible in order to

971
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: get a bill through in timely fashion. We anticipate the

972
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: debt limit will be extended through twenty twenty four as

973
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: part of any agreement, and the GOP leadership feels as

974
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: if they will be able to win the support of

975
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: the majority of the House Republican conferquence for this eventual package.

976
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: Every negotiation needs its caveat. It could all fall apart,

977
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: but we were getting very positive signals from the leadership

978
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: until late last night. Also want to lay down a

979
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: marker once again and tell you the anger in the

980
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: House Deem Caucus right now is palpable. Many rank and

981
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: file Democrats feel as if they're going to be asked

982
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: to vote for a package that is slanted towards GOP

983
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: demands with little for them in return. Biden is going

984
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: to have to work hard to get this thing through,

985
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: and it's a real test for Hakeem Jeffries and Catherine Clark.

986
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Let's say, for argument's sake that the agreement comes together tonight.

987
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: It will still take roughly two days to convert any

988
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: agreement into legislative text. And you've got in there that

989
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: seventy two hour review of the bill that Republicans force

990
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: through as part of their speaker negotiations. So happy talk

991
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: from Republicans last night about we may be coming to

992
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: a potential deal. I will just put in there as

993
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: always that I'm skeptical until I actually see it come together,

994
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: because I do think you have problems in the Republican

995
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: caucus with the hardliners. I think you have big problems

996
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: in the Democratic caucus, with people who don't want to

997
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: vote for work requirements, who have drawn some redlines, who

998
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: don't want to vote for, you know, stripping tax credits

999
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: in the Inflation Reduction Act. So if this is a

1000
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: long way from being over, is my assessed continues to

1001
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: be minded?

1002
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: I agree?

1003
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: So I here, let's say the positive I guess positive side,

1004
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: which is, we appear to be coming closer to a deal.

1005
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: Now here's the problem.

1006
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Even once we have said deals we've always warned about,

1007
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: we have defections.

1008
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 3: Not only in the House. I don't know why they're

1009
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: only talking about the House. There's also this chamber called

1010
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: the Senate.

1011
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: You would have to have part of the Democrats sign

1012
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: on to it, or at least some Democrats who sign on,

1013
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: because you know, this guy named Chuck Schumer is actually

1014
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: the one who has to bring into the floor. So

1015
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: if he doesn't support it, or if a huge portion

1016
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: of his caucus doesn't support it, then how exactly is

1017
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: he supposed to do that? There's that piece, But let's

1018
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: focus on the House already. There's a sizable portion of

1019
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Republicans in the House who are not going to vote

1020
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: for this. They don't want to vote for a deal period. Yeah,

1021
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: and in fact, they want Democrats to have to come

1022
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: over the top and go ahead and vote for this. Then,

1023
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 2: so there's that now. Also, as you have pointed out,

1024
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: the AOC, J. Paul and all those people, they are

1025
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: going to be furious about this, and I'm probably going

1026
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: to try and do everything possibly can to not just them.

1027
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: The Congressional Black Caucus also very upset about the work

1028
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: requirements and those sorts of things. And it's not just

1029
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: like the Squad and squad adjacent members, it's like the

1030
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: entire Progressive Caucus, which aren't even really that progressive. And

1031
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: there's one hundred of them.

1032
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that's about one hundred members, Yeah,

1033
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: I recall. So okay, so you already I would say

1034
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: rule that out. But it's gonna be tough. Now, what

1035
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: are the spending cuts gonna be? And this is also

1036
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: where the big question is, not only do they have

1037
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 2: to have nominal cuts, they also want to increase military spending.

1038
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Then they also don't want to touch of discretionary spending.

1039
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: They don't want to touch veterans benefits, which is a

1040
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: huge portion. Ryan and I talked a lot about this.

1041
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: We're really talking about like one to two percent of

1042
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: the entire federal budget which is on the table here

1043
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: because we also refuse to raise any taxes, and that

1044
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: one really pisses me off because I'm like, look, guys,

1045
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: even if we agree on spending and all this, you

1046
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: have got the carry interest loophole prescription like give us

1047
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: something like just because on merits.

1048
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: That's a great way to raise money.

1049
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: There's no reason why medicare, the largest drug purchaser in

1050
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: the United States, should not be negotiating drug prices on

1051
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: all drug Literally no, if that is one of those

1052
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: where put your business hat on. Should a business be

1053
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: legally required not to negotiate? You can't do that. That's insane,

1054
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: except that the government here is the business. So that's

1055
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: why that actually could save a ton of money. Carrot

1056
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: interest loophole. We actually have no idea how much money

1057
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: that one would save. And then the same whenever it

1058
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: comes to pharmacy benefit managers. Yeah, I mean, these people

1059
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: print billions off of not just us, they're printing billions

1060
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: off of your grandmother.

1061
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: And that's why they are scummed.

1062
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: You still smiddle that, Oh yeah, all that they are.

1063
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: They really are going after like people like your parents

1064
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: or you know, my parents, like older folks, people who

1065
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: are on Medicare and who have private plans too, who

1066
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: are hitting caps that never should be in the first place.

1067
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: So like these Like everyone agrees that those people don't

1068
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: deserve to exist. Like everyone agrees these things are way

1069
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: way too expensive. So that is where I just wish

1070
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: they would cave, but they just refuse to do it.

1071
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: On the message.

1072
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think, because recent polls have come

1073
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: out which actually say a lot of people do agree

1074
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: with the GOP position. Here's a fascinating one that actually

1075
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: just broke this morning, Crystal, which is that the amount

1076
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: of people who say that they would blame Republicans is

1077
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: about forty five percent. The amount of people who say

1078
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: that they would blame Biden is forty seven percent.

1079
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: You're basically looking at an equal split, which is a

1080
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 3: disaster for Biden.

1081
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: Yes, because in twenty eleven Obama had a fifteen point

1082
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: lead on the debt stealing fight and on the government shutdown.

1083
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: When Bayner shut down the government, Bayner lost. I don't

1084
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: think people remember that Bayner took the blame and the

1085
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: Republicans did with They even called it like the Bayner shutdown.

1086
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: If I recall this time around, with negative partisanship and

1087
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: all of that, it's awash. If you're a Republican, you

1088
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: are not blaming Republicans. If you are a Democrat, you

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Speaker 2: are not blaming you are not blaming Biden. So it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where that only gives even more heft.

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Speaker 2: There is no political incentive for the Republicans now to

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Speaker 2: negotiate at all. Matt Gates even said this, He's like,

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Speaker 2: why would we negotiate with the hostage Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was admitted to their hostage takers. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, that's I mean, at least he's honest. I always

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Speaker 3: prefer honesty.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I mean the difference is Obama, for

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Speaker 1: his many faults, was a very effective communicator. Biden and

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Speaker 1: they're not even saying anything. I mean, they're not even

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Speaker 1: laying out their case. It's a muddled disaster. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just me that's saying that. The Democratic normy elected

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Speaker 1: Democrats who are super pro Biden are extremely frustrated with

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Speaker 1: the lack of messaging. So he's lost the messaging battle.

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Speaker 1: The strategic to the extent that there was a strategy,

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Speaker 1: has been a complete disaster. Has handed Republicans one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent of the leverage, where the only metric is like, now,

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Speaker 1: how badly do Democrats lose out in the final negotiations.

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Speaker 1: It's just a catastrophe for Democrats all the way around,

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Speaker 1: and an avoidable one also that they could have gotten

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Speaker 1: rid of through reconciliation when they had power. And also

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Speaker 1: even and if they failed on that front, the lack

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Speaker 1: of a coherent plan, messaging strategy, and the willingness to

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00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: take off the table immediately any of the workarounds that again,

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00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: it just handed Republicans all of the leverage. It has

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Speaker 1: been a worst of all worlds in terms of their approach,

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Speaker 1: and I think for them it is it really is

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Speaker 1: a catastrophe. The fact that opinion is divided on whose

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Speaker 1: fault it is is such a failure. And then I

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Speaker 1: also think, you know, to your point about some of

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Speaker 1: the pulling and the polling has been kind of mixed

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Speaker 1: because there was other pulling that showed that a majority

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Speaker 1: people want a clean debt ceiling increase. I think it

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Speaker 1: partly depends.

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Speaker 3: Well, step don't know what the goddamn is right.

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Speaker 1: And it partly time on how it's asked, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But also Biden has basically caved to the Republican messaging

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Speaker 1: that we have a debt problem that we need to

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Speaker 1: cut spending, when again in the markets, there's just there's

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Speaker 1: no evidence that that's the case. So of course, when

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Speaker 1: you have both the Democrats and the Republicans basically saying, oh, yeah,

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00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: we have an issue, we need to cut spending, then

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00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: you're going to have a majority of Americans who are like, oh,

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00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: I guess we need to cut spending because everybody is

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00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: saying that that is the case. Going back to the

1135
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: math that's needed here, put this political piece up on

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00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: the screen. Biden is increasingly expecting that they're going to

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Speaker 1: need a significant number of Democrats, probably around one hundred

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00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: to actually vote for the eventual deal, because you have

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00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: Republican hardliners who will never accept any sort of compromise

1140
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: on this. And so he's trying to figure out where

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00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: am I going to get one hundred Democratic votes for

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00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: what kind of a deal? Could we come together and

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Speaker 1: get a majority of Republicans to vote along with one

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Speaker 1: hundred Democrats. I will say, you know, for all the

1145
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: protestations from Jayapaul and the Congressional Black Caucus and everybody else,

1146
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: we've been to this show before and usually these people

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00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: ultimately when Biden comes to them, is likely I really

1148
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: need you to do this. So, like all ri fin,

1149
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: I'll vote for it. So do I expect them to

1150
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: have a backbone in the situation. We have seen very

1151
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: little evidence of said backbone previously. Don't have a lot

1152
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Speaker 1: of confidence there. We also just to show you how

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00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: tenuous and back and forth these deals are and the

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00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: negotiations are. This next piece up this was Jake Sherman

1155
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: had a quote yesterday from one of the key negotiates,

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Speaker 1: Patrick mckennery, who said, I understand the deadline. I'm not

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Speaker 1: yet an optimist on getting this resolve. We are, in

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00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: my view pass what is a responsible deadline. And that

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00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: was why when the Speaker said let's figure out in February,

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00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: he meant it. So that's like the polar opposite of

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Speaker 1: what they're saying this morning. Yesterday they're like, I think

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00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: it's over, We're going to default. This morning they're like, oh,

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00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: we're super happy there might be a deal. So we

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00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: can have a lot more roller coasters between now and

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Speaker 1: however this gets resolved. Last piece that we have for

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Speaker 1: you here is Bernie Sanders actually wrote an op ed

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Speaker 1: for Foxnews dot Com, which I think he's penned a

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Speaker 1: couple of Fox News op eds at this point, which

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Speaker 1: is interesting in and of itself. He's making his case

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Speaker 1: still for why the president should go the fourteenth Amendment route.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. His headline is, Biden

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00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: must resist Republican debt ceiling demands. Here's what he needs

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Speaker 1: to do instead. The key lines here he says, so

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00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: where do we go from here? In my view, there's

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Speaker 1: only one option. President Biden has the authority and responsibility

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Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution to avoid a default.

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Speaker 1: The language in that amendment is quite clear. It says

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Speaker 1: the validity of the public debt of the United States

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Speaker 1: shall not be questioned. This is a constitutional guarantee the

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Speaker 1: US will always pay its debts period. This is not

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: a radical idea. And then he goes on to say,

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00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen, then President Trump was correct when

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: he said, quote this is the United States government. First

1184
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Speaker 1: of all, you never have to default because you print

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Speaker 1: the money. So Bernie and others still pushing fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 1: Biden team hasn't totally taken it off the table, but

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Speaker 1: they've really repeatedly poured cold water on it. They clearly

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Speaker 1: preferred try to negotiate some type of a deal here

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Speaker 1: and try to deal with it that way because Biden is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the consummate institutionalists. He doesn't want to try

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Speaker 1: out anything novel or different than what's been done in

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Speaker 1: the past. So that's where we are effectively.

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Speaker 3: Here we are.

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Speaker 2: It does look very likely that a deal will happen,

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Speaker 2: and it's like you say, people will complain, but the

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Speaker 2: dams are going to vote for it. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: I think they are all just going to vote for it.

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Speaker 2: The real question is how many publicans will actually vote

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Speaker 2: for the deal. But if they can come through with

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Speaker 2: something by the end of the day, I mean, how

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Speaker 2: are them. I mean the markets seem to be like yesterday,

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Speaker 2: things were not great.

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Speaker 1: There was a crash yesterday on news that they were

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Speaker 1: far apart and it wasn't going much.

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Speaker 2: It looks like, yeah, so we're down by one percent

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Speaker 2: just over the past five days.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's not terrible. So we still haven't.

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Speaker 2: Seen a major market reaction. We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: If I do think the biggest forcing mechanism for a

1210
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: deal would be if they say there's a deal and

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Speaker 2: it falls apart, then the markets will crash and then

1212
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: you'll have to start seeing some real compromise there, and

1213
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: then possibly we'll see something increase from that period. That

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00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: would be the biggest forcing mechanism. But until then we'll

1215
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Speaker 2: see we remain.

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Speaker 1: We're all in their hands and it was not a

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Speaker 1: good feeling.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Uvaldi here. This is one where we

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Speaker 2: didn't want to drop. Look, you know, it's one of

1221
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Speaker 2: those where I know a lot of you were so

1222
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: you were so repulsed disgusted by the story. I think

1223
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: everyone was. That's why it became such a national outcry.

1224
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: We heard from so many of you. You know, this

1225
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: is one of those where our outrage and just focus

1226
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: on the story over the last several months has been

1227
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: so important to you, and so we didn't want to

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Speaker 2: let the one year anniversary of this go by, which

1229
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 2: just happened yesterday. Let's go and put this up there

1230
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: on the screen. It's just a perfect view crystal into

1231
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: what we all knew was going to happen, but it's

1232
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: just so still insane one year later to say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, of the dozens of hours of body camera

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: footage and all of that that shows these law enforcement agents,

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00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: specifically the early arriving police officers on the scene who

1236
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: stood back and did nothing, dropped the momentum, dropped the action,

1237
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: and waited for Border patrol guys to basically.

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Speaker 3: Come in and roll in.

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Speaker 2: Almost all of them are still employed by the same

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: agencies that they worked for on that very day. One

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00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 2: actually even got a commendation for his actions. And the

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: Valdi residents have been campaigning and asking for answers now

1243
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: for over a year. Really, the only person who faced

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: any real accountability, if you can even call it, that

1245
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: was Pete Rodondo, the head the chief of police of

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00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: the Uvaldi School District. And yeah, he left his school post,

1247
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: he left his police post because they disbanded that ISD

1248
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: police force, and he was kicked off of the city

1249
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: council after hiding for weeks and kicking reporters out from

1250
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: any investigation. The Texas Department of Public Safety to this

1251
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: day has officially cleared almost every officer that was involved

1252
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: in that remember that personal Colonel Steve McCraw who said

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00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: that he would personally resign if his agency as an

1254
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: institution failed at Uvaldi, he insisted did not Who remembers

1255
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: McCraw the day after Uvaldi giving a press conference basically

1256
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: telling us BS about what happened.

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Speaker 1: A great God they did the officers.

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Speaker 2: Can you This is my other thing I've always thought about, Abbott,

1259
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 2: how they made you look like a fool. They told

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: you lies, and you spouted those lies on television in

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Speaker 2: front of the entire country. If anyone did that to me,

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Speaker 2: I would not rest until every single one of them

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Speaker 2: was fired, and I would prosecute.

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Speaker 3: The hell out of them if I could.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing I don't get about Ken Paxson

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00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: and all these other Why are we protecting them? Everybody

1267
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: wants they want to see justice for these police officers,

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: And just like in every case, there's a line here

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Speaker 2: that really jumps out to me. One hundred and ninety

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00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: federal officers were on hand. Those agencies have denied several

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00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: public record requests by the media, from national to local

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00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: Texas media for any information on their employment status. I mean,

1273
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: to this day, one year later, they are hoping that

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Speaker 2: all of us forget about what they did.

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Speaker 3: They failed those kids, They failed all of us. Those

1276
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: kids bled out.

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Speaker 2: Who knows how many of them could have been saved,

1278
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: And if you can even just save one, they still,

1279
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: every single one of them deserves to be fired and

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Speaker 2: to be prospected.

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Speaker 1: They say in this piece, Law Enforcements, seventy seven minute

1282
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: delay did come with potentially deadly consequences. You had three

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00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: victims emerge from the school with a pulse and later died,

1284
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: Teacher Ava Morales forty four, and Lopez ten. Critical resources

1285
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: were not available when medics expected they would be, delaying

1286
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 1: hospital treatment. Texas Tribune and Pro Publica and the Post

1287
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: all found last year another student, Kazaris, who was nine,

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00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: likely survived for more than an hour after being shot

1289
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: and then died in ambulance because these cops were standing

1290
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: by doing nothing. And what they talk about in this

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00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: piece is number one that for these parents and for

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00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: the loved ones and friends and family members that have

1293
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: to still live in this community, these people who failed

1294
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: them and let their kids suffer and die in this

1295
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: tragic way, they still have to run into them at

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01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: the supermarket. They still have to look at them on

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01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: the street face to face. Some of them are related

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01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: to them, and know that there was zero accountability for

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01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: these horrific failures. They also talk that there were two

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Speaker 1: hundred two hundred responding officers from state and local agencies,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty still in law enforcement. Even that

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Speaker 1: dude Erodondo who became you know, the real this scable,

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Speaker 1: I mean deservedly, Like I'm not letting him off the hook,

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Speaker 1: but there were failures all around. Let's be clear, he

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01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: has had his like status shifted so that he's got

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Speaker 1: a better shot at getting back into law enforcement himself.

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Speaker 1: One of the people that was supposedly fired they is

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Speaker 1: still somehow hanging around in law enforcement in the same

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Speaker 1: job and hasn't actually been let go. They're hoping everybody

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Speaker 1: just moves on. And you have to think about it

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Speaker 1: from these parents' perspective, like the national focus on this

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Speaker 1: across the board, horror, shock and outrage at the manifest

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Speaker 1: failures of that day, what has it resulted in. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if your claim is like okay, mental health pot okay,

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Speaker 1: if mental health is the thing, like where's the mental

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Speaker 1: health resources? Well, Texas has cut mental health resources. If

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Speaker 1: you believe that gun control is the answer. Certainly you're

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01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: not getting anything done there in terms of the Texas legislature.

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Speaker 1: And then on the very basics of some sort of

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Speaker 1: accountability for the wrongdoers who failed on that day, the

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: people who failed to act, failed to intervene, failed to

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Speaker 1: save these innocent children's lives, very little next to nothing

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Speaker 1: in terms of results. So I cannot imagine because so

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Speaker 1: many of these parents that they interviewed, they'd say, at

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Speaker 1: least this tragedy could help prevent another one. At the

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Speaker 1: very least, make it so that my daughter, so that

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Speaker 1: my son's life actually meant something and nothing, just nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's shocking to the conscience, it truly is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have a video of the courageous Uvaldi mom.

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Speaker 2: That's the third element, if we can go ahead and

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Speaker 2: play that. I always at my our live show, you

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Speaker 2: came up with that great idea about superlatives like biggest hero.

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Speaker 3: She'll always remain my biggest hero. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: Right the way as I parked us, Marshall started coming

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Speaker 9: toward my car and saying that I wasn't allowed to

1336
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Speaker 9: be parked there, And he said, well, we're gonna have

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Speaker 9: to arrest you because you're being very incoperative. I said, well,

1338
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Speaker 9: you're gonna have to arrest them because.

1339
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Speaker 1: I'm going in there.

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Speaker 9: And I'm telling you right now, I don't see none

1341
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Speaker 9: of y'all in there. Y'all are standing with snipers, and

1342
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Speaker 9: y'all are far away. If y'all don't go in there,

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Speaker 9: I'm going in there. He right, immediately put me in cuff, she.

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Speaker 10: Says, after you've all the police officers told marshals to

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Speaker 10: uncuff Gomez.

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Speaker 1: She ran towards the school.

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Speaker 9: As soon as they uncuffed me. I jumped that first

1348
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Speaker 9: gate fence, and once I jumped it, I went to

1349
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Speaker 9: my son's class.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know she's she If people don't remember,

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: she was at work, heard about it, drove there for

1352
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 2: with like a thirty or forty minute drive, speeding, when

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01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 2: was handcuffed, unhandcuffed, went into the school, got her kids,

1354
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: came out of the school, all before they actually stormed

1355
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: those classrooms. I remember reading those details at the time,

1356
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: and I was just absolutely stound and to.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement on blast and they harassed her.

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Speaker 3: I heard the fact, that's the thing, because.

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Speaker 1: Of our willingness to speak out against them and buy

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Speaker 1: their you know, silence.

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Speaker 3: She became a hero and they punished her for that.

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Speaker 2: And I say, yeah, like you said, you know, people

1363
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: have moved on and the rest of the country, but

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: they can't move on.

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Speaker 3: They still have to live in this community.

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Speaker 2: And I can't imagine and to look at police officers,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the eye at the grocery store who

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01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: and just know that they could have done something to

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Speaker 2: save your child's life. So yeah, I mean, look, no accountability.

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Speaker 2: I wish there was a hopeful end to this.

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Speaker 3: There's not.

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Speaker 2: There's literally nothing that any of us can do about it.

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's actually the most insane part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another really tragic tale of just like a broken

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: society unable to protect the most vulnerable among us. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we've got an update for you guys on what continues

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Speaker 1: to be an important story, which is what exactly happened

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Speaker 1: with those drone strikes on the Krumlin which appeared to

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Speaker 1: be a potential out there, very effective but potential assassination

1380
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: attempt on Vladimir Putin. Of course, Ukraine immediately denied it.

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 1: Russia blamed Ukraine. We put in, you know, a little

1382
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: note of caution. You never know it could be a

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01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: press flag, but it looks very likely that this came

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Speaker 1: from the Ukrainians, who have a track record of attacking

1385
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Speaker 1: on Russian soiling low and behold New York Times. Three

1386
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Speaker 1: weeks later, here we go, Ukrainians were likely behind Krumlin

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Speaker 1: drone attack. US officials say they based this on some

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Speaker 1: intelligence intercepts. Now this is according to US intelligence agencies.

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Speaker 1: Just to be clear, they based this on some intelligence

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Speaker 1: intercepts where they're listening into the Russians and the Russians

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Speaker 1: are not like, yay for our false flag. And also

1392
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: this would be an embarrassing false flag for them to

1393
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: stage because it shows immense vulnerability and their failure of

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Speaker 1: their own air defenses, which they would certainly not want

1395
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: to put on display. And then on the other side,

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Speaker 1: you have they picked up Ukrainian chatter where the Ukrainians

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01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: were like, yay, go, yes we did it. Now. The

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: various caveat that they go at great length to put

1399
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: in here is that the American officials said they suspect

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01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: mister Zelenskin and as top aids have set the broad

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01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: parameters of the cover campaign, leaving decisions about who and

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01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: wan to target to the security services and their operatives.

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 1: In so doing, mister Zelenskin's top aids can deny knowing

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: about them, so they go to great lengths to say Soelenski,

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Speaker 1: he probably had no idea about this. He didn't know

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01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: what's going on with any of this, which, if true,

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01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: is actually very troubling too because it's like, okay, so

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: these security agencies are just freelancing and doing whatever the

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01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: hell they want without even permission from the top. Dude,

1410
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: here let alone with you us just standing back and

1411
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: wondering what hijinks they're going to pull next, like trying

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Speaker 1: to assassinate the head of a nuclear arms superpower. So

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Speaker 1: it just is, you know, it was. It was very predictable,

1414
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: and in fact, soccer, you did predict it. Yes, I

1415
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: actually want to take a little victory left.

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: I will take it out because exactly on May third,

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, which is at that time was twenty

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01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: one days from the report I said New York Times,

1419
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: three weeks from now. US Intel believes Ukrainian group behind

1420
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: Putin attack, but Zelensky of course had no knowledge or involvement.

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: That is literally what happened on the exact day, three

1422
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: weeks to the day they say USNTL believes Ukrainian group

1423
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: it's always a group, and that Zelenski had no So

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01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: I will just say I'll take a little bit of

1425
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: Victor rev because I think it's hilarious, but I mean.

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Speaker 3: I don't relish it. I think it's bad. Because what

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Speaker 3: they also point to is they're like.

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Speaker 2: US officials also say Ukrainian is responsible for the assassination

1429
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: of the prominent Russian nationalists, the killing of a pro

1430
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Speaker 2: Russian blogger, the number of attacks in Russian towns near

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Speaker 2: the border with Ukraine, the most recent of which occurred

1432
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Speaker 2: on Monday, and the bombing of the Nord Stream pipeline.

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Speaker 2: So like, in every single one of these, these are

1434
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 2: escalatory maneuvers. And I also want to get people like,

1435
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Speaker 2: what are they supposed to do?

1436
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: Sit back and not attack.

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01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: They can do whatever they want they but then need

1438
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: to bear one hundred percent of the risk. Okay, so

1439
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: we should not have any Let's say, and you already

1440
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: know how this go. If they attack Russia and then

1441
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: Russia attacks back ten times more, what are people in

1442
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: America going to say, oh, well, we got to send

1443
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: more over there. It's like, well, you attack them, you know,

1444
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: why should we sign up for, you know, your collective

1445
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: defense if you are going to go and get yourself

1446
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: in even more trouble. Or let's say they get themselves

1447
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 2: in a situation where they're literally like it's existential for them.

1448
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: What are there everyone's going to.

1449
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: Say we should go to war to protect. No, they're

1450
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: the ones who got themselves in that situation. Yes, I

1451
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: can believe it is defense, but you are operating in

1452
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: an unfair dynamic where one side has nukes and you

1453
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: don't deal with it like you know, I personally I

1454
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: think it's a very impossible and difficult situation. So that's

1455
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: the situation that you find themselves there, you find yourself in,

1456
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: so be it. I'm not saying it's fair. Life is

1457
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: not fair, and that's why it's like, so it's so

1458
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: difficult to talk about this when people are like, well,

1459
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Speaker 2: I think you should be able to do whatever he wants.

1460
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Speaker 3: I agree with you, he can do whatever he wants,

1461
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Speaker 3: But if he's going to operate basically as a US

1462
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: client state, then no, you can't do whatever you want.

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Speaker 6: Right.

1464
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 3: You need to do what you're told, and he doesn't

1465
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 3: do what he's told.

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Speaker 1: The problems when you're dealing with the nuclear power. You

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: can cannot have one country that is assuming one hundred

1468
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Speaker 1: percent of the risk because there's obviously like massive global implications.

1469
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: And even outside of the use of nukes, we've seen

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Speaker 1: the way that the Ukrainian war has upended, you know,

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Speaker 1: supply chains and made food more expensive and fed inflation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that's anything like the devastation

1473
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: that Ukrainians have faced and the death toll, et cetera.

1474
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: But these are huge global costs that are being born.

1475
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: So it's not even feasible to say, Okay, well, if

1476
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: you all want to try to like drow and strike

1477
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: the Kremlin, it's.

1478
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 3: All on you.

1479
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: You bear the risk. That's just not even an option

1480
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: that's on the table. So you know, the context here

1481
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: is also that Biden has just greenlent F sixteens. We

1482
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: know from the leak documents that separate and apart from

1483
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: these attacks that we now you know, know with pretty

1484
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: high confidence that Ukrainians were behind that. Zelensky had even

1485
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: more wild ideas about pipelines to bomb and attacks to

1486
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: engage in within Russia. And it's just very hard to

1487
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: understand the risk calculus here. From the United States and

1488
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: swore when he you know, offered up training for Ukrainian

1489
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: pilots with F sixteens. Oh Zelenski told me that they

1490
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: won't use him in Russiah.

1491
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: Would you believe him?

1492
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 6: Why?

1493
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: Like you can't, but there's just no way, You're.

1494
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: There's my way.

1495
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: They lied and said we didn't have anything to do

1496
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: with the prominent attack. They lied and said we have

1497
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the cross word. Like there's no

1498
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: reason to believe them none. You look, you can be

1499
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: in the right, you know, and you can also still

1500
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 2: be an untrustworthy liar. I don't know why that is

1501
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: so difficult. People in this you know, people in this

1502
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: country have lost their minds. It's like, you know, there's

1503
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: this I really believe that Twitter for this war has

1504
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: been a disaster. There is an entire portion of like

1505
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: mostly young disaffected men who like love call of duty,

1506
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: who are living through like vicariously effectively through Twitter by

1507
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: like posting maps, calling themselves like ocinth specialists, being like

1508
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: no actually the backmut feint like using technologies if they

1509
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: served in the military and are living as if they

1510
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: are essentially involved in this except the actually Ukrainian soldiers are,

1511
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 2: and these idiots online bear none of the risk, and

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Speaker 2: they're the ones who are constantly.

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Speaker 3: Being like, oh, you know, this is obviously a false flag.

1514
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 3: Well what do you morons look like?

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01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: Now?

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's every single time they just jump they're like

1517
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 2: Zelensky mouthpieces.

1518
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,879
Speaker 1: There was a huge backlash from my you know, assumption

1519
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: that this was probably. I always left the option open.

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: You never know what Russia's going to do, but this

1521
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: was very likely the Ukrainians huge backlash to that of

1522
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: people who were like, no way, Like Zelenski denies it,

1523
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: Why do you think that the liar exact? Because we

1524
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: know that he's a liar, and we also know he

1525
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: has an interest in escalating this thing and forcing us

1526
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: more onto his side. That is where his interests. Because

1527
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: that's the other piece of this from a US military perspective,

1528
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: where like, these attacks aren't even smart, right, because you

1529
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: are galvanizing the Russian people behind the effort, and you're

1530
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: making it more likely that people are going to sign

1531
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: up for the Middle Militari when there's another draft, they're

1532
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: going to comply, they're going to be behind the regime.

1533
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: You are actually, in a way strengthening the Kremlin's hand

1534
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: in a certain respect, and so that's why our pentagon

1535
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: is like, why are you doing this? But the logic

1536
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: from these intelligence agencies and from Zelenski within Ukraine is

1537
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: that if they do get that escalation, that's not all

1538
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 1: bad for them, because then maybe that forces us, the

1539
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: world's superpower, fully and clearly onto their side in the effort,

1540
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: which is their best hope to fully win the war.

1541
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: Last thing I have to say about this, You and

1542
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: Ryan covered that attack within Russia that happened on Monday.

1543
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: I became a little bit obsessed with this because the

1544
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: leader Okay, so the guy guys, all Ukrainians are not Nazis.

1545
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but there is a contingent that

1546
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: it's like, how this is like dangerous that we're align

1547
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: with these people. This group, it's actually white nationalists, Russians

1548
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: who are further right than Putin, who have allied themselves

1549
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: with Ukraine even though they're Russian white nationalists, because they

1550
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: don't agree with the imperialist expansion project of Russia. They

1551
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: want Russia to focus on just being a smaller white

1552
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: nationalist state, and they're interested in toppling Putin, to put

1553
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: a more right wing, more fascistic authoritarian leader in Russia.

1554
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: So these are like out and out neo Nazis, this

1555
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: particular group. Again, I'm not saying this about all Ukraines,

1556
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: this particular group. And you know we've been to this

1557
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: rodeo before in terms of US arming and supplying less

1558
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: than savory characters in it coming back to bite all

1559
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: of us in the ass. So I think it's important

1560
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: to keep that in mind as well.

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01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: It's almost like conflict ignites invites chaos, nuance and is

1562
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,959
Speaker 2: not as clear cut.

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01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: As everybody wants people to think. I think that's Shoker.

1564
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: It's almost like any reading of history would tell you that, Bristol,

1565
01:12:59,200 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: what are you taking a look at?

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01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: Well, if you live in America, it will be no

1567
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: surprise to you that we are reckoning with a legitimate

1568
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: nationwide housing crisis. Since the nineteen nineties, housing prices have

1569
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: skyrocketed far out pacing that of overall inflation, making home

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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: ownership more and more out of reach for young Americans, unless,

1571
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: of course, mom and Dad can foot the bill. But

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01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: it's not just home prices. It's also rents, which have

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01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: gone up insane amounts, pushing the working class to the

1574
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: edge and the pore over the brink. Today, according to

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: the Census Bureau, the median renter spends thirty percent of

1576
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: their income on shelter. That means that your typical renter

1577
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: in America is now cost burden, meaning that they are

1578
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: spending what's considered to be an unsustainable percentage of their

1579
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: income on rent, leaving very little for everything else. Just

1580
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: take a look at this map. So the darker the

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: blue here, the more cost burden the renters are. You

1582
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: can see the whole map is pretty much a wash

1583
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: in blue, and some locales are in truly dire shape.

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: In New York City, the rent to income ratio is

1585
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: sixty eight point five percent. In Miami it's forty one

1586
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: point six percent. How are you going to eat and

1587
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: drive and live when your whole paycheck is going to

1588
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: pay your rent. Since the seventies, rents have gone up

1589
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: faster than wages, and that trend shows no sign of

1590
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: slowing down. What if I told you there are places

1591
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: that have actually solved this problem, that have had the

1592
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,560
Speaker 1: political will and imagination to escape our brutal urban housing healthscape.

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: Turns out, the solution is really kind of simple. If

1594
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: your citizens need more quality, affordable housing, then you should

1595
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: build it. This is the lesson, drawn from an in

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01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: depth profile by The New York Times of the City

1597
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: of Vienna's approach to housing. Here's that piece. You can

1598
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: take a look. It's titled Imagine a Renter's Utopia. It

1599
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: might look like Vienna. Prior to World War One, Vienna

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01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: suffered with horrible housing conditions. Renters would sublet their beds

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,520
Speaker 1: out to day and night workers to try to cobble

1602
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,480
Speaker 1: together enough money to make the rent. Conditions were absolutely atrocious.

1603
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: But in the twenties, during a time known as Red Vienna,

1604
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: when socialist led the City Council, Vienna embarked on a

1605
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 1: grand program of public housing construction. Now, these new apartments

1606
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: were modest by present standards, but they did inclin food,

1607
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: basic luxuries, things like indoor plumbing and private bathrooms. And

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: while socialists don't run the joint anymore, the city has

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: maintained its commitment to high quality social housing that it's

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01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: available for poor, working class and middle class Viennese alike.

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01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: Far from the round rundown image of American housing projects,

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01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 1: these apartments actually look really nice, modern construction, beautiful amenities,

1613
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: like rooftop pools, idyllic courtyards, interiors bathed in natural light,

1614
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 1: balconies with lush greenery. They're available to most city residents,

1615
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: and plenty actually avail themselves of this option. The median

1616
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: income in Vienna is fifty seven thousand euros roughly, and

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: anyone making less than seventy thousand euros can actually qualify

1618
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: for one of these apartments, and once you're in, they

1619
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: can't kick you out even if your income goes up

1620
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: and is above that limit. About two thirds of the

1621
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: rental market in Vienna is actually rent controlled, and about

1622
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: three fifths of city residents live in social housing. This

1623
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 1: huge investment in affordable housing has brought down costs for everyone,

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 1: whether they live in social housing, rent in the private market,

1625
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 1: or actually own their own place. The Times profiled a

1626
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: couple who have lived in social housing for decades and

1627
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: so have benefited over years from regulations setting the maximum

1628
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: pace at which rent can increase. In reversal from US trends,

1629
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: this couple has had their wages far out pace rent

1630
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: growth over the course of their adult lives. Today, their

1631
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: rent is only two hundred and seventy euros per month.

1632
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: That makes up less than four percent of their total

1633
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: pre tax incomes. These aren't wealthy people either, one as

1634
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: a teacher, the others a city accountant. Yet rent is

1635
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: as insignificant a cost to them as meals out are

1636
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: to the average American. Can you imagine what trips you

1637
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: might take, investments you might make, interest you might indulge

1638
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: if your shelter cost only four percent of your pre

1639
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: tax income. Matt Brunick's People's Policy Project has done a

1640
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of research on what exactly this could look like

1641
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: in an American context. They point not only to Vienna,

1642
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: but also Sweden and Finland as models to follow, and

1643
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: advocate for a buildout of ten mins million new units

1644
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: in ten years now. These units would be owned by

1645
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: the government, available to all, and rent would be based

1646
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: on a sliding income scale. Having multiple classes in one

1647
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: building is really key for avoiding the segregation and decay

1648
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: that characterizes our existing public housing stock. Now now might

1649
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: be a particularly auspicious time to act. Housing affordability, as

1650
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 1: you all know, is at an all time low, but

1651
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: also the abandonment of downtowns by office workers means that

1652
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of vacant space which will be vacant

1653
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: in the coming years, and those buildings will be turned over.

1654
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: Government could snatch up these locations at fire sale prices

1655
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: to convert into social housing, thereby solving the problems of

1656
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: housing affordability and vacant downtowns in one fell swoop. I

1657
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 1: am well aware of how fanciful this all sounds. It

1658
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: blows my mind that we ever had the ambition to

1659
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: build down any public housing an attempt to create quality,

1660
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: affordable housing for everyone. The optimism and confidence of such

1661
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: a project, it seems so far fetched now. This isn't

1662
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: an accident. The whole job of modern democratic and Republican

1663
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: politicians is to destroy our political imagination, to convince us

1664
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: that nothing is possible, Our problems are intractable. Incremental reform

1665
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: is the very best we can hope for. After all,

1666
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: if our political imaginations were not destroyed, we would certainly

1667
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: imagine a better politics for ourselves than these sorry losers

1668
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: and their raft of excuses and failures. We are living

1669
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: now in the wreckage of the neoliberal era, and one

1670
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: thing has become really clear. Just hoping that markets are

1671
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: going to solve our problems has not and will not work.

1672
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: Developers and other corporations are not interested in solving social problems.

1673
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: They're interested in making money. That's fine, but somebody's got

1674
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: to solve the social problems. That means we're going to

1675
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: have to rebuild the muscles of governance atrophied by neoliberalism.

1676
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: We're going to have to allow ourselves a little bit

1677
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: of political imagination, even if Cynisenism feels a lot safer,

1678
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: and actually expect our political system to make our lives better.

1679
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: And it's kind of mind blowing from an American content.

1680
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1681
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1682
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: All right, sorry, are you looking at that?

1683
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 3: Okay?

1684
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: On Sunday, I did a monologue about the skyrocketing price

1685
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: of the average used car in the United States, some

1686
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand dollars nearly fifty thousand dollars for a

1687
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: new one. In it, I mentioned that the part of

1688
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 2: the problem that we have right now is inflation and

1689
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: financialization taking their toll on the lower end of the

1690
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: car market, and then large subsidies that exist for electric vehicles,

1691
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 2: which still remain prohibitively expensive for most consumers. However, one

1692
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: of the upsides I suppose in a big massive rise

1693
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: in the price of a new car is a new

1694
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: Tesla Model three, which is priced around forty seven forty

1695
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars, which is pretty average next up to

1696
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: any other car. EV proponents are actually pointing to this

1697
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: as the future where an entry level EV is priced

1698
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: right alongside an average new car. Now, this is obviously true,

1699
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: but I think it's true for the wrong reason that

1700
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: the overall price of cars is still way too high. Furthermore,

1701
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: I want to take a time today to again just

1702
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: warn about where these price drops are coming from, and

1703
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 2: the overwhelming amount of drop and EV price is coming

1704
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 2: from economy of scale. That's good if economies of scale

1705
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: exist in your country, But already you know the answer.

1706
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: We own less of the EV supply chain in the

1707
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 2: West and in North America than we do of normal cars.

1708
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 2: I have consistently tried to emphasize a dual narrative. I

1709
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: love electric cars. I believe that they could be the

1710
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: future with the right government policy, but that our current

1711
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 2: government policy is setting us up for indentured servitude to

1712
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: China for our dominant mode of transportation and without the

1713
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: adequate energy supply to power them. So go ahead and

1714
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: take a look at this graphic. This shows you the

1715
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: percent of minderroles that are coming from China. I feel

1716
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 2: especially vindicated now by the mainstream media because they're beginning

1717
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: to catch up and take notice.

1718
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 3: Look at this graphic.

1719
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: It shows in stark detail how much an electric vehicle

1720
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 2: battery is coming almost entirely from China or Chinese controlled entities.

1721
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: Cobalt mining, for example, is forty one percent controlled by China.

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Speaker 2: Refining capacity is seventy three percent directly in China. Anodes

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01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,839
Speaker 2: of EEDV batteries are ninety two percent, seventy percent of cathodes,

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01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: sixty percent of battery cells, fifty four percent of all

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01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: electric cars China, China, China.

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Speaker 3: You could just say, yeah, but we'll just build our

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01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 3: own facilities here. I wish it was that easy.

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01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 2: It takes years to build the refining processing facilities required

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Speaker 2: to produce an EV battery.

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Speaker 3: And even if we did that, we still don't have

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01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: the staff or the technical know how on how to

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Speaker 3: run them.

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Speaker 2: Then if we did it, you may not like how

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01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: much energy and how much filthy refining and processing abilities

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01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: look like this is the dirty secret of almost all

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01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: life in the West. All of these processes, refining, minerals,

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01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 2: building solar panels. They are done in China to shield

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01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: our population from reality of how filthy the byproduct is.

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 2: Then we install it here and we pretend to we're

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01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: green because we ignore the labor and environmental impact of

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: what it really looks like. China has a nearly two

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01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: decade head start in setting up these processes and has

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01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: achieved massive economy of scale supply, and of course has

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01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 2: ensnared our largest companies to just simply leave battery production

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01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 2: up to them. We are rapidly approaching a moment where

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01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 2: if you buy an electric vehicle anywhere outside of the

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01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 2: United States, it is almost certainly just straight up made

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Speaker 2: in China. In fact, just yesterday, Tesla confirmed its very

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01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: first Shanghai made Tesla's are now being imported even to

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01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: North America and will be sold in Canada. Both of

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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: those models for sale in Canada qualify for a government

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01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 2: tax credit. Already, Tesla Shanghai makes up fifty percent of

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01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: global production for the entire company. In fact, Chinese records

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01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 2: tell USA Tesla has imported some one hundred and thirty

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01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 2: three exported some one hundred and thirty three thousand cars

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01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: just this year out of Shanghai. The only thing keeping

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01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 2: Elon and Tesla from making all cars. There are provisions

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01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: in US law that require our evs to be US made,

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: or at least somewhat US made. Of course, there is

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01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 2: a trade off. It makes ours more expensive, and it

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01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: shows the obvious cave of all time that we know

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01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 2: is coming a decade from now from a Democratic or

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01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: Republican president who will just say cost is too high

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01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 2: for our evs. We should drop made in America provisions

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01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: at the behest of the car companies. I can assure

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01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: you that is probably what's going to happen, because it's

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01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 2: exactly what happened to US automakers in the nineteen seventies

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 2: when Asian competition came in. Cost is always king in America,

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01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: and it should be especially though for them. Profits for

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01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: big corporations are in play. For the politicians, the only

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01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 2: way to solve any of this is to turn the

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01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: clock back and start building factories. The other way is

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: to try our best to stave off corporate pressure in

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Speaker 2: the next twenty years while we catch up to where

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01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 2: China is right now. Unfortunately, things are not looking good

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01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 2: for that. The Biden administration has taken baby steps at

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01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 2: best when it comes to EV's supply efforts. They recently

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01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: signed an effort with a G seven in Australia where

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01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: they acknowledge it is a problem that China controls the

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01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: entire mineral supply chain, but they have not done anything

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01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: else about it.

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Speaker 3: They have signed agreements to come to a future agreement.

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Speaker 3: She's not going to cut it. I've said it before.

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Speaker 2: You need a Manhattan Project level of scale and effort

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01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: to catch up to China just on EV minerals and

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01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: supply chains. Then we need a separate Manhattan price to

1787
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 2: develop cheap and abundant renewable power to send cars once

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01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: they are on the road. If you do not do

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01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 2: both simultaneously, we will give the US consumer the worst deal.

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01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: In the long run, you will have high prices or

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01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,560
Speaker 2: you will leave yourselves incredibly vulnerable. So I mean, I

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 2: think we keep taking our eye off the ball.

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Speaker 1: This is literally and if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: director of Employe America. Skanda em Ernath, Great to have you, Scanda.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, good to see you man.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our pleasure. So you took a look at the

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Speaker 1: debt sealing debacle from a different lens than what I

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Speaker 1: had seen anyone else take. Talking about the role that

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: Treasury could it should be playing here, just talk to

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01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: us a little bit about why.

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Speaker 6: You chose to focus on them, right, So, it seems

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 6: as if Treasury has a pretty central role in shape

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Speaker 6: being the negotiations for the White House. It seems like

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Speaker 6: Secretary Yellen plays a pretty big role in this, but

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Speaker 6: not just her. There are other people within Treasury. There

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01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 6: are a couple of other people outside of Treasury too.

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Speaker 6: But I would say, because ultimately it's about paying US debts,

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01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 6: Treasury is inherently going to be central to all of this,

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Speaker 6: And the Treasury itself seems to be thinking that by

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Speaker 6: writing off all alternatives, they are somehow strengthening their negotiating position,

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01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 6: which is to the I don't know, antithesis of any

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01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 6: kind of logic irrationality about negotiation. You try to keep

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01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 6: your options open to the best of your ability, and

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01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 6: we just seem the complete opposite from Treasury so far,

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Speaker 6: which is just baffling to me.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, can you explain a little bit about what

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01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: you laid out there our audience. You know, they are

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01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: going to know what the debt ceiling is, but debt

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Speaker 2: servicing the level of treasury, what some of the missed

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01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 2: opportunities that, in your opinion, have been lay that out

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Speaker 2: for everybody.

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Speaker 6: So obviously they're trying to Biden has talked about this,

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01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 6: Yellow has talked about this, that it'd be great if Congress.

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Speaker 6: We should have Congress raise the debt cealing like it

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01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 6: always has and do it cleanly, because that's the way

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01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 6: it should be done, because you shouldn't be bargaining over

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Speaker 6: the full faith and credit of the United States, which,

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01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 6: like I think is actually right. But the Treasury is

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01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 6: not without options if Congress doesn't do that. Treasury has

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Speaker 6: methods by which it can actually make sure the debt

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Speaker 6: sealing isn't an issue for making sure we pay our

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Speaker 6: debts on time and that we don't have a default.

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01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 6: That's super dislocating or this notion of well, we could

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01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 6: pay the bond holders, but then we can just make

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01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 6: cuts elsewhere. Payment prioritization, all of these things are like

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01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 6: deeply complicated, constitutionally very questionable, when in fact they could

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01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 6: pursue fully lawful solutions if they actually were willing to say, Okay,

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01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 6: ideally Congress can raise the debt ceiling, but if they

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Speaker 6: don't do it, we will take matters into our own hands,

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01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 6: and there are powers other than invoking the fourteenth Amendment

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01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 6: per se, which I'm still not sure what that means,

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,520
Speaker 6: that would add up to taking it, taking control of negotiations,

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01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 6: and not letting yourself be held hostage in the manner

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01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 6: that they basically have. They basically have let the Republicans

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Speaker 6: control the show by saying, oh, we're not going to

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Speaker 6: pursue any alternatives to you raising the debt ceiling, and

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Speaker 6: therefore the price of raising the debt ceiling keeps going up.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought, I think it was Matt Brunnig

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Speaker 1: who laid all of this out in a way that

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01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: made sense to me, which is, like, Okay, let's say

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01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: that Biden did absolutely nothing right. There's no deal, there's

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01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: no debt sealing increase. He now has a conflicting set

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01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: of instructions that he's received for the United States Congress

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01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: that would almost inherently have to go through a legal

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01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: process to resolve None of the options is particularly palatable.

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01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 1: One is the sort of fourteenth Amendment route, where you're like, no,

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01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: you said, we're going to spend this money and the

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01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: debt shouldn't be called into questions, So we're going to

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01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: take on the debt. We're going to do what we

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01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: need to do, and that's, you know, what the constitution

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01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: instructs us to do. Another one would be to do

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Speaker 1: what I think Republicans have more floated, which is like,

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01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: all right, well you prioritize payments and maybe the bondholders

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01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 1: get paid but the veterans don't.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever like.

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Speaker 1: But then that is represents the executive taking on effectively

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Speaker 1: the power of the purse, which is another constitutionally bad option.

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Speaker 1: So you're left with all of these, you know, problematic

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Speaker 1: issues if Biden doesn't act whatsoever. And thinking of that

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Speaker 1: in that regard helped me to understand sort of like

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Speaker 1: the crux of this issue that really you do kind

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01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: of need some sort of legal judgment about these conflicting

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01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: sets of instructions and the bizarre setup we have where

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01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: you got one vote to spend the money and another

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01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: one to do what it takes to actually make sure

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Speaker 1: you fulfill your obligations.

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Speaker 6: That's right, and so if you have I thought Matt

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Speaker 6: Bruennigg's column was excellent and kind of speaks to this

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01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 6: separation of powers problems that emerge, and so there is

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01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 6: this sort of legal conflict that has to be resolved.

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01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 6: And it'd be one thing if there was no solution

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01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 6: to this problem, if you're Treasury like, oh, we have

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01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 6: to get the debt ceiling up. But there are solutions

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01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 6: available if they are willing to put their minds to it.

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01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 6: And what has become very abundantly clear is they're not

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01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 6: trying to put their minds to it. Yeah, it seems

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01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 6: like it's pretty unwise to do that. If you want

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01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 6: the debt ceiling to be increased, the worst thing you

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01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 6: can say is, well, oh, I have no alternative except

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01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 6: to just concede to everything that you possibly would want.

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Speaker 3: And that is exactly the road they've chose to go down.

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Speaker 6: And I think that is ultimately to the detriment of

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01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 6: us default risk, to the detriment of actually paying our

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Speaker 6: debts on time and make sure that the debt ceiling

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01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 6: is not this kind of big sweepstakes issue that it

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01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 6: always sends to be.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about so we've talked about the fourteenth

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01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 1: Amendment here, we've talked about the you know, mint, the hashtegment,

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01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 1: the coin.

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01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: But the other one, which we've referenced but haven't really

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01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: totally laid out, frankly because I don't one hundred percent

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: understand it, is the idea of Treasury issuing callable perpetual bonds.

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01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: You lay out the technicalities of this in your column,

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01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: can you just explain as best you can and layman

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01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: terms what this looks like and what it means.

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Speaker 6: So, if you read the debt ceiling statute the law itself,

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Speaker 6: it's pretty short, and it's quoted in terms of the

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Speaker 6: face amount of the obligations. The face amount is the

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01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,919
Speaker 6: for a bond for which there is a principle repayment.

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01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,919
Speaker 6: So obviously, you like you pay back interest and principle

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01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 6: most of the time with bonds, but there are bonds

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01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 6: that exist where only the interest is guaranteed and there

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01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 6: is no guaranteed principle. That would be a perpetuity effectively,

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Speaker 6: so you would have regular interest payments and at some

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01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 6: point the government may or may not decide I have

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Speaker 6: the right to pay back to buy back this perpetuity

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Speaker 6: from the bond holder, but it's my right flash option,

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01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 6: but I don't have to do it. And we did

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01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 6: this for financing something like the Panama Canal. These things

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01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 6: existed in the nineteen hundred and nineteen thirty, so there's

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01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 6: precedent for this. A perpetual bond is a real thing.

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Speaker 6: You can look it up an Investipedia. These things are

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01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 6: not like just purely for the sake of evading the

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01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 6: debt ceiling. They are real instruments. I think that does

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01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 6: matter for sort of how people perceive, like the viability

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Speaker 6: like that passes the laugh test.

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Speaker 3: I think obviously the.

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Speaker 6: Coin I'm by the way, I'm like pro coin in

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Speaker 6: the sense that I think it's legal, and so if

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Speaker 6: it's legal, go for it. But this is probably going

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Speaker 6: to win over more people, I suspect within the White House.

1936
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Speaker 6: But it's the kind of thing that they should be

1937
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Speaker 6: exploring in the here and now. They should have been

1938
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 6: exploring this like five months ago, and they've just written

1939
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Speaker 6: a lot of these ideas off the table. There's some

1940
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Speaker 6: other ideas also that can work in terms of making

1941
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Speaker 6: sure that we don't default under debts and we're not

1942
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 6: using the debt ceiling as this big ransom note of sorts.

1943
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Speaker 6: But the perpetual bond idea is one that has a

1944
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 6: lot of precedent rooted in it. So the government has

1945
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 6: done this, and if we're if you guarantee interests without

1946
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 6: guaranteeing principle, it's quite clear that one the government has

1947
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 6: a power to issue these instruments and two that it

1948
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 6: doesn't count towards the debt cealing. So that's like two

1949
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 6: things that has going for it that are kind of

1950
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Speaker 6: unique to the solution.

1951
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Speaker 1: And why do you think that they've taken these options

1952
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Speaker 1: off the table? Is it just Biden and yell In

1953
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: are real institutionalists. They don't want to engage in these

1954
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Speaker 1: novel arguments, Like what is they're thinking behind the scenes.

1955
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Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of sort of norm abiding

1956
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Speaker 6: by sort of prior norms, not wanting to exert too

1957
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 6: much creativity. There's a fear of the unknown in terms

1958
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Speaker 6: of it being because it's novel and you're deviating from precedent,

1959
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Speaker 6: then you are there for doing something that is going.

1960
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Speaker 3: To be a political liability.

1961
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Speaker 6: So like it's like, oh, if we say for example,

1962
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Speaker 6: the coin example people bring up, it's if we say

1963
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Speaker 6: we're going to do the coin, Republicans are going to

1964
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Speaker 6: have a field day with this. They're going to mock us,

1965
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Speaker 6: They're going to say that we were doing something reckless,

1966
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 6: and like, obviously, like this is not kind of on

1967
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 6: googable until you actually go down that road. But I

1968
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 6: do think like it should be at least clear there

1969
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 6: are other options on the table, and I think it's

1970
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 6: actually to the benefit of some people to say, oh, well,

1971
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 6: if the only option is the coin, that seems worse,

1972
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 6: but then like there are other options too, like perpetual bonds.

1973
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 6: There are other things they could be doing in terms

1974
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 6: of Fed Treasury coordination if they really wanted to put

1975
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 6: the screws on the negotiation to make sure we are

1976
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 6: in some ways the best way to get to a

1977
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 6: clean debt sealing increase, you have to be open to

1978
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Speaker 6: other options. Otherwise, if you are not open to other options,

1979
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Speaker 6: you're not going to get clean debt sealing increase.

1980
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Speaker 3: You're going to get something that's pretty dirty. And that's

1981
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Speaker 3: exactly the road Brawn right now.

1982
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good point because the thing that

1983
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Republicans have going for them is they have people in

1984
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: the caucus that you feel like are genuinely crazy enough

1985
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: to push the country over the cliff, and so you

1986
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: have to have people on the other side who seem

1987
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: general at least crazy enough to like mint the coin,

1988
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Speaker 1: you know, to have some sort of semblance of leverage

1989
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Speaker 1: in the negotiations.

1990
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Speaker 6: That's right, And I guess the point I'd make is

1991
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 6: that even if you think the coin is somehow beyond

1992
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 6: the pale, and again I said, I'm not gonna I don't.

1993
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 6: I have nothing bad to say about the specifically, but

1994
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 6: there are other options on the table if you're willing

1995
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 6: to look for them. What's been obvious the last few

1996
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 6: weeks is that the Treasury has not done the homework

1997
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 6: to actually look through all these options. If they did

1998
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 6: and they're hiding in the background, great, but I don't

1999
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Speaker 6: see you.

2000
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't see any evidence of that. Thank you so

2001
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: much for breaking all of us down for me. I

2002
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: think I understand the bond option a lot better now,

2003
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: so I appreciate that, and it's always great to see

2004
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: you appreciate it.

2005
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Speaker 10: Great.

2006
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Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, our pleasure.

2007
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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for watching. It's been a

2008
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Speaker 2: fun week. We've got to cover a lot of stuff.

2009
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,080
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2010
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2011
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2012
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2013
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2014
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2015
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2016
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,160
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2017
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Speaker 2: debuting the set around that time.

2018
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2019
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2020
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