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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Rams Lions. These standalone own NFL
Speaker 2: games are insane. I mean, you had over seven hundred
Speaker 2: yards of offense tonight, over five hundred passing yards between
Speaker 2: the Lions and the Rams, Matt Stafford and Jared Goff
Speaker 2: about five and a half yards of play if you
Speaker 2: avered the two teams. Let's see forty six first downs
Speaker 2: and no fumbles. Each quarterback threw a pick. Time of
Speaker 2: possession was even. First of all, Sean McVay and Matt
Speaker 2: Stafford and Cooper Cup. No Puka Nakua, he got hurt.
Speaker 2: Both your offensive tackles are out makeshift offensive line. To
Speaker 2: go into Detroit Sunday night football against the super Bowl
Speaker 2: level team in Detroit, and really I thought they had
Speaker 2: the game one in regulation. What a performance by Stafford,
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup and Sean McVay, who's a rock star. And
Speaker 2: in the end though, I felt like Detroit when it
Speaker 2: went to overtime, I'm like, Okay, now it's Detroit's game.
Speaker 1: Look tired.
Speaker 2: Sometimes at Chris Collinsworth made a great point, you're not
Speaker 2: really built in week one to go to overtime in
Speaker 2: a game that's a track meet. There's just only so much.
Speaker 2: I don't know who. I don't have the betting lines
Speaker 2: next week, but I mean the Rams and the Lions.
Speaker 2: They if they were a little off next week, you'd
Speaker 2: understand it. But my first take is the Rams. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wrote these numbers down. At one point they had
Speaker 2: a twenty eight to twelve first down advantage on the road,
Speaker 2: four hundred yards, three hundred passing yard, dominating time of possession,
Speaker 2: and a seventy eight to forty five total play advantage
Speaker 2: at one point in this game. But credit a very deep,
Speaker 2: now experienced Lions team, Like they're not new kids on
Speaker 2: the block. Green Bay still young. The Rams are actually
Speaker 2: pretty young. San Francisco is older, but the Detroit's got
Speaker 2: a veteran club here and now a veteran coaching staff
Speaker 2: with Ben Johnson and Dan Campbell. So I think it
Speaker 2: was just a team like the Rams gave it everything
Speaker 2: they had, but they they looked really shot in over time,
Speaker 2: and to the Lions credit, they just ran the ball
Speaker 2: right at them. They didn't f around at all. They
Speaker 2: went right at the Rams interior d line and it worked.
Speaker 2: I think one of the things I'm always taken by
Speaker 2: is how good Matt Stafford is. And we all know
Speaker 2: he's good. But I've said this before. If Matt Stafford
Speaker 2: and the Rams, and remember what you saw from the
Speaker 2: Rams night's impressive, Puka Nakool will be back. They'll have
Speaker 2: both their offensive tackles, their guard will go back to
Speaker 2: playing center. They'll be a better team. Plus they're incredibly
Speaker 2: young on the defensive side. I mean they got two
Speaker 2: rookies starting on that defensive front. Give those guys twelve
Speaker 2: to fifteen games. This Ram team by the end of
Speaker 2: the year, you don't want any part of This is
Speaker 2: a really good team. The difference is the Lions are
Speaker 2: supposed to be good now and they got out played
Speaker 2: for big chunks of this football game. One of the
Speaker 2: things I worry about with the Lions is they don't
Speaker 2: have a ton of wide receiver depth, so they got
Speaker 2: to keep amar On Saint Brown healthy. They don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of depth there, and the Rams did pick
Speaker 2: him up. Even though I think they're a better team
Speaker 2: in the back end Rams, and maybe it's just the
Speaker 2: Rams Cooper Cup can do that. Rams kind of picked
Speaker 2: them apart for long stretches in that football game. Again,
Speaker 2: the Rams had a seventy eight to forty five play
Speaker 2: advantage at one point and were dominating time of possession.
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things. Detroit I didn't think
Speaker 2: played particularly well in the second half and they won
Speaker 2: the game. I thought the Rams were brilliant. A heartbreaking
Speaker 2: loss when you really outplayed a team on the road,
Speaker 2: a great team on Sunday night football, and you lose,
Speaker 2: that's a long flight back to LA But I think
Speaker 2: what you're looking at is two excellent teams, two teams
Speaker 2: that could meet again in the NFC Championship. Wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised in the least. Would not be surprised in the least.
Speaker 2: You know the other thing the Rams, and I wouldn't
Speaker 2: call this a problem, but it's fascinating. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of discussion because he's gotten nicked up last couple
Speaker 2: of years. What do you do with Stafford? Do you
Speaker 2: draft another quarterback? But you're watching Stafford tonight he went
Speaker 2: thirty four for forty nine for three hundred and seventeen
Speaker 2: yards and a touchdown the pass rush in his face.
Speaker 2: In the second half, he went eighteen to twenty three
Speaker 2: for two hundred yards, and again he's under duress. Jared
Speaker 2: Goff had a much cleaner pocket. And I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: watching Matt Stafford, and I'm thinking, if you're the Rams
Speaker 2: for the next couple of years, in the draft, why
Speaker 2: draft a quarterback? Just stack the roster. Who are you
Speaker 2: going to get in the draft that's as good as
Speaker 2: this guy. I know he's older, but when I watched
Speaker 2: him tonight on the road pass rush, I mean it's
Speaker 2: basically Cooper Cup. He didn't have Tyler Higbee his top
Speaker 2: tight end. He's banged up, he didn't have Pooka Nakua,
Speaker 2: he didn't have his tackles. He's putting on a clinic.
Speaker 2: You're not going to face many pass rushes, certainly tonight.
Speaker 2: You're not going to face many environments in this league
Speaker 2: harder than that. And this guy's eighteen for twenty three
Speaker 2: in the second half. So you know, I was sitting
Speaker 2: as I watched the game, and I'm thinking, what I mean,
Speaker 2: He's never been a big mover. He moves well enough
Speaker 2: in the pocket, his arm's great. I mean, he's clearly
Speaker 2: going on thousand miles an hour cognitively. Upstairs, he's got
Speaker 2: an incredible relationship with Cooper Cup and Pouka Nakua. Now
Speaker 2: they got Jordan Winningham, this other receiver. They bring in
Speaker 2: Tyler Johnson, who I thought was kind of a cast off.
Speaker 2: I think he was in Tampa at one point. He
Speaker 2: had a huge play to night, And I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this team and I'm thinking the defense
Speaker 2: is young. Stafford's the old guy. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if I draft a quarterback. If I'm the Rams, I
Speaker 2: would definitely draft to tackle. Robin Havenstein died in play
Speaker 2: the night right tackle. He's getting up there, and I
Speaker 2: would get another wide receiver. But I mean last year,
Speaker 2: five of their six top picks or defense, so there's
Speaker 2: no reason you know they they are very close. I
Speaker 2: think they could get to the super Bowl. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there as good as Kansas City. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's good as Baltimore. I don't know. But
Speaker 2: they're certainly in a group of four or five teams
Speaker 2: that could get there, five or six teams maybe. So
Speaker 2: I just you're watching Stafford. I'm watching Stafford. That guy
Speaker 2: doesn't look close to retirement. He doesn't look close. Everybody
Speaker 2: loves Aaron Rodgers. He's up a major surgery. Kirk Cousin's
Speaker 2: off a major surgery. Stafford's gotten his hand banged on
Speaker 2: the helmet and his shoulders been banged up. But I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at these numbers tonight in that pass rush
Speaker 2: on the road, in that environment. She I'm just loading
Speaker 2: the roster up. I'm I'm redoing his contract. You gonna
Speaker 2: pay you, gonna pay Dak sixty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: I'm writing checks for Stafford the next two years Seriously,
Speaker 2: I'm not drafting on our quarterback. I'm not wasting my
Speaker 2: time on a draft pick at the top.
Speaker 1: Gil.
Speaker 2: I'll get him another tackle, another receiver, another edge rusher.
Speaker 2: He didn't look close to being over I think there's
Speaker 2: a I think there's a real argument he's the best
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFC. I'm trying to think. I mean,
Speaker 2: you watched him with golf tonight. Stafford's better Rock Purty,
Speaker 2: give me a break, Dak, Stafford's more talented, better arm talent,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts Stafford. I mean, just you know, you tell
Speaker 2: me I think he's the best quarterback in the NFC. Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, with McVeigh, which is I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're if you're if you're taking everything into consideration on
Speaker 2: if you're going to move off a quarterback, and you say, well,
Speaker 2: he does have maybe the smartest offensive coach. I think
Speaker 2: that can that can extend it another year or two. Shit,
Speaker 2: if you told me that Matt Stafford's starting upright in
Speaker 2: three years, he's not forty. I don't know you're watching tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's close to over f them picks.
Speaker 2: Go get him help, don't draft the quarterback you know
Speaker 2: the other thing I think is fair to say what
Speaker 2: we saw in Week one, week one's crazy. I mean
Speaker 2: I thought I had the right side of the Titans
Speaker 2: game and Will levis el was that a bad pick?
Speaker 2: Week one's crazy again. Dallas looked sensational, Cincinnati looked awful.
Speaker 2: You don't take too much from it, but I do
Speaker 2: feel like tonight watching that game, I'm watching two super
Speaker 2: Bowl level teams. Once the Rams get their offensive line
Speaker 2: healthy and everybody's back watch out, they draft and develop
Speaker 2: so well. They got so many good young players on
Speaker 2: that team. They're really really young, not Green Bay young,
Speaker 2: but really really young. And I guess my overall take
Speaker 2: now the San Francisco plays the Jets tomorrow, but my
Speaker 2: overall take on Sunday, Thursday, and Friday is, you know,
Speaker 2: outside of Cincinnati, the teams we think are going to
Speaker 2: be pretty good or good, and the teams that we
Speaker 2: think are going to be bad, like the New York
Speaker 2: Giants are pretty bad. We'll get into New England later.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't have a lot of the weaponry for Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: so you know, you just don't you know, it's hard
Speaker 2: to make a big sweeping judgment. But I feel like
Speaker 2: tonight in a weird way, I look at what the
Speaker 2: Rams did without their tackles and their makeshift on line
Speaker 2: against that Detroit team starting two rookies up front defensively,
Speaker 2: that's the most impressive loss. I mean, Baltimore losing on
Speaker 2: Thursday's an impressive loss. That Ram lost tonight, that's pretty
Speaker 2: good loss.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You can lose like Cleveland lost, or like Carolina lost,
Speaker 2: or like the Giants lost or Washington lost. But this tonight,
Speaker 2: I mean, you go back and look at film. You
Speaker 2: did a lot right against an excellent Lions team. The
Speaker 2: fact you could block that front at all with backups
Speaker 2: everywhere is a testament to how well coached the Rams are.
Speaker 1: And that was fun.
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Speaker 2: tomorrow we get Aaron Rodgers against the Niners. You want
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Speaker 2: with Tom Brady's debut. Good God, Cleveland's a disaster. I
Speaker 2: was sitting there thinking, as I'm watching that game, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna sign a contract to a quarterback, to a
Speaker 2: guaranteed contract, which you you know, Kirk Cousins got one
Speaker 2: and Deshaun Watson, I not only want a great player.
Speaker 2: I want a great leader, I want great health. I
Speaker 2: want an ascending player. He's virtually none of those. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just typical Cleveland. What's ironic after watching Baker today?
Speaker 2: Baker's a much better quarterback today, John than Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: I mean, Baker was a rock star today. I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there and I'm like, we know it's not Stefanski. We
Speaker 2: know he's a really bright guy and a good play caller.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know what Deshaun Watson is.
Speaker 2: I mean, changing uniforms. He's a bottom ten quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, as funny as I had on the Redskins
Speaker 1: or the Commander's game on a little TV and I
Speaker 1: wrote down about ten minutes before we jumped on, Baker's
Speaker 1: in a different universe. Not just as a thrower, his touch,
Speaker 1: I mean, Deshaun's throwing balls into the stands constantly, but
Speaker 1: it swag, the way he carries himself, the way his teammates,
Speaker 1: and even as a playmaker. I mean, it's not like
Speaker 1: Baker some elite athlete, but moving around Deshaun Watson Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott signed the same contract, essentially two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. How could you pay a player who
Speaker 1: has character question marks and who has a short resume.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm getting text constantly. I'm sure you are.
Speaker 1: It has to go down immediately as one of the
Speaker 1: worst deals in the history of pro sports. You look
Speaker 1: at Dak has his flaws in January, very consistent regular
Speaker 1: season player, super smart guy, Yeah, high character leader. Everyone
Speaker 1: that knows him like him. Deshaun Watson, I was out
Speaker 1: on him last year today, what an embarrassment? Where's the
Speaker 1: playmaking column? He doesn't make any plays well?
Speaker 2: And he was never a hyper athletic or he was
Speaker 2: never a hyper accurate thrower. That was always the beat
Speaker 2: on him. I can remember his first year. Everybody liked him.
Speaker 2: He would skip throws. He's not a pretty thrower. He's
Speaker 2: not an easy thrower. Everything looks like it's a struggle downfield.
Speaker 2: You know, he was a wildly dynamic athlete. You take
Speaker 2: that out, and I mean, he's no more athletic today
Speaker 2: than Dak Prescott. And I've always thought Dak's sort of
Speaker 2: a b athlete and a b arm But I was
Speaker 2: watching Daxon and I'm like, oh, Dak's a much much
Speaker 2: better player than Deshaun Watson. And the thing about Dak,
Speaker 2: Dak is a guy that even when he has his faults,
Speaker 2: you do feel like he is the soul of the organization.
Speaker 2: He's the soldier Deshaun Watson. If you went through that
Speaker 2: locker room and have half the guy, asked half the
Speaker 2: guys and you go, you could move off the contract.
Speaker 2: So I look at Cleveland and I think desperate franchises,
Speaker 2: desperate owners do dumb things. They're sunk. You can't go
Speaker 2: anywhere in the AFC with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason they won eleven games was Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: last year. That's right, right, he resurrected him and they
Speaker 1: refused to resign him because they didn't want any drama.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, if I was a Browns fan today,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to watch this any more. He as
Speaker 1: just a consumer, So I didn't have any money on
Speaker 1: the game or anything. Just an awful, terrible watch. Like
Speaker 1: who wants to consume that player? Like you said, he
Speaker 1: used to be able to scramble around and do things.
Speaker 1: That's gone. Listen, has he lost his confidence? One? But
Speaker 1: whatever that is that we witnessed today was a fish
Speaker 1: out of water, and they're going to be former players.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they come to his defense. Well, they were
Speaker 1: missing offensive lineman. They gave him two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: million dollars to elevate above that as a playmaker, and
Speaker 1: that's gone.
Speaker 2: I thought, I wrote this down. I thought Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: in terms of play calling today, I thought it was sensational.
Speaker 2: They had a drive in the second quarter. They did everything.
Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was shovel passes, it was screens,
Speaker 2: it was counters and traps, and I'm sitting there watching
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is art. Like, you know, we
Speaker 2: bang on Mike McCarthy, but he's a five hundred playoff coach.
Speaker 2: He's a sixty percent winning coach. And you could say,
Speaker 2: well he had he had Aaron Rodgers. Well he's also
Speaker 2: had Cooper Rush, guys who are not considered superstar throwers
Speaker 2: of the football. I thought Dallas today and I had
Speaker 2: my questions looked so buttoned up. Offensively. I thought the
Speaker 2: play calling was good. I thought Dak was in a zone. Listen,
Speaker 2: I pay defense was awesome, excellent pass rush.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay Dak sixty million, But good god,
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty was guaranteed, so it takes out
Speaker 2: the salary cap issues when you guarantee the whole damn thing.
Speaker 2: And my take is, if you're going to have a
Speaker 2: quarterback for the questions, just guarantee it. Like I saw
Speaker 2: this week the Niners converted somebody's contract to a signing bonus.
Speaker 2: Like if if you can guarantee the stuff and get it,
Speaker 2: you know, help you out in the salary cap. But
Speaker 2: that if you'd have told me one team today played
Speaker 2: flawless football. It was the Dallas Cowboys in Cleveland with
Speaker 2: a rookie left tackle against Miles Garrett. It would have
Speaker 2: been one of the bottom guesses I would have had.
Speaker 2: That's as good as Dallas can play offensively and defensively.
Speaker 1: To me, how about Jerry, there's no chance. They just
Speaker 1: got this deal done late Saturday night. He stole the
Speaker 1: morning with this announcement of this contract. You talk about
Speaker 1: a showman, and then they answered the bell. You know,
Speaker 1: the first thing that came because there have been rumblings
Speaker 1: when you say this last week, like something might happen here,
Speaker 1: he might get a contract extension. I thought the moment
Speaker 1: that contract was extended. I'm like, I think that's good
Speaker 1: for Mike McCarthy because the success DAK has had under him, right,
Speaker 1: Mike's calling the plays unlike a lot of these coaches
Speaker 1: all over the league that just are CEO head coaches,
Speaker 1: So he directly impacts him. And if DAK continues to
Speaker 1: have success, let's say they lose in the second round,
Speaker 1: cause I had pivoted on McCarthy. He was easy to
Speaker 1: beat up a couple years ago, and then he just
Speaker 1: kept rattling off twelve wins and then we're annoyting guys
Speaker 1: like Mike McDaniel who have never won a big game
Speaker 1: in their entire life and can't win the division. I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys have a pretty good chance to win
Speaker 1: the division this year. Hell, I picked him before the season,
Speaker 1: like him just as much now. But if they win
Speaker 1: eleven twelve games again, you're gonna pivot off the guy
Speaker 1: who's your offensive play caller and, like you said, proven
Speaker 1: to be a pretty good head coach. Okay, he's not
Speaker 1: Bill Walsher, you know, Andy Reid, we get that, But
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring in Bill Belichick, right, I mean that
Speaker 1: seems like, especially now that you're so invested in Dak,
Speaker 1: and let's face it, Dak over and over answers the
Speaker 1: bell in the regular season at a really high level,
Speaker 1: and he's proven that he can win big games. Unlike
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Tua, who got paid this offseason in December.
Speaker 1: He just has to get hot like an Eli Manning
Speaker 1: or Joe Flacco to really kind of cement his legacy.
Speaker 1: That will always be a question mark, but I don't
Speaker 1: think there are any more question marks. Like compare Dak
Speaker 1: to Kirk Cousins, like, I think there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a gap there. I know their numbers are similar, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think that's especially as Kirk's getting older. You know,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, he's playing after we talk, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: move as well. I mean, da, Dak's really good. He's
Speaker 1: never gonna be the second best quarterback, but you feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about just putting a minute number eight. And
Speaker 1: then all the character stuff and the intangibles and the
Speaker 1: leadership are a really big deal in the sport football. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, there's no question that he is an adult, and
Speaker 2: I think from the very first year in the NFL,
Speaker 2: you always felt like you could trust Dak in the
Speaker 2: locker room, to make smart decisions, stay out of trouble,
Speaker 2: and you know it sounds like, you know, oh, that
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. You could hear Tom Brady on the
Speaker 2: broadcast today, so much of it as being able to
Speaker 2: handle hard coaching, to get yelled at. I mean, I
Speaker 2: can remember during some cultural movements in America, you know,
Speaker 2: Dak was front and center. I just think he is
Speaker 2: that soul of the franchise. Speaking of Brady, I always
Speaker 2: said when Tony Romo took the job, everybody fell in
Speaker 2: love with him. Three years later, we're like, eh, Brady's
Speaker 2: broadcasting career is going to be his playing career. You're
Speaker 2: going to just watch him work really hard, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna say he can't do this, can't do this, can't
Speaker 2: do this as a player. You look up, You're like,
Speaker 2: he does everything. I thought he was nervous today, especially
Speaker 2: in the first half. But my takeaway is go to
Speaker 2: week eight. Tom's gonna literally go home tonight. It's been
Speaker 2: the entire night and the next day studying the film.
Speaker 2: So im on Tom. You know, everybody was talking about it.
Speaker 2: I thought he was really nervous to start.
Speaker 1: It was funny.
Speaker 2: I talked to him last week off the air, and
Speaker 2: I said, listen, you're you're gonna be nervous. I don't
Speaker 2: care what anybody says. You're not playing. You can't control it.
Speaker 2: It's just and it's and and for the record, it
Speaker 2: is so hard to do well. You basically have to succinctly,
Speaker 2: three hundred times in an afternoon talk for eight seconds,
Speaker 2: and you have no idea what you're going to talk
Speaker 2: about ten seconds before you talk about it. It's a
Speaker 2: really hard job. And so that was kind of my
Speaker 2: take on Brady.
Speaker 1: You got any thoughts, Yeah, I'm not going to try
Speaker 1: to be a hater. I admire Tom everything he's accomplished
Speaker 1: in his career. People I know that know him, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to overreact to one game. But I
Speaker 1: thought he was pretty bad. Yeah. I just thought, you know,
Speaker 1: he's very tight. You know, he's with Kevin who's been
Speaker 1: doing this since he was like five, who's very smooth.
Speaker 1: Aaron Ronaldi, I mean, Ronaldi is one of the great
Speaker 1: greats of all time. Tough spot. He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: find a lane. Yeah, because I think the casual person
Speaker 1: and if you're getting twenty thirty million people watching these games,
Speaker 1: most of them are not diehard football people, right. They
Speaker 1: want to be entertained. Madden's personality, Gruden's eccentric craziness, that's
Speaker 1: not really gonna be even Romo was just very excited
Speaker 1: and turned on him. But he has a lane. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like is Tom. He didn't really let
Speaker 1: it fly today on Deshaun Watson, which I thought was
Speaker 1: a BP fastball, though I don't know if that's gonna
Speaker 1: be his thing. I just thought he was kind of tight,
Speaker 1: which is understandable. Yeah, but I don't quite know what's
Speaker 1: gonna be like. I don't think people want like let
Speaker 1: the personality come out that everyone that you're Gronk and
Speaker 1: Edelmant and these guys love you, like be one of
Speaker 1: the guys, which he obviously has in there. I just
Speaker 1: think he was kind of stuck in no man's land.
Speaker 1: And obviously I'm sure you'd over prepared the majority of
Speaker 1: people text I'm getting it. I'm sure we'll see it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: People will be critical love him. It's a tough spot.
Speaker 1: But I just I'm interested to see what lane he
Speaker 1: figures out, because today I thought he was kind of
Speaker 1: a no man's lane. And again I like to I'm
Speaker 1: a Tom Brady guy. I'm not rooting against him, but
Speaker 1: it was tough, tough spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was. He was choppy and he just
Speaker 2: didn't quite listen. I've talked for a living. It takes rhythm.
Speaker 2: If I take ten days off, I come back to
Speaker 2: following Monday, I'm rusty, like I need an hour to
Speaker 2: get back into my rhythm. So it's not the easiest thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Bears game. First of all,
Speaker 2: the fact that they won a game and passed for
Speaker 2: sixty four yards, so it was interesting. Belichick said something
Speaker 2: last week. I took the Titans to win that game,
Speaker 2: and basically I was on the right side. I felt
Speaker 2: for almost the entire game. But Belichick said something this
Speaker 2: week and I took it to heart. Belichick said, I
Speaker 2: wasn't impressed. He was like ten for twenty and I
Speaker 2: went back and I text somebody who was I know
Speaker 2: who's in the NFL who's been critical of him. And
Speaker 2: the big question with Caleb is high school and college.
Speaker 2: He can really get in the weeds with his accuracy.
Speaker 2: He can really get into the high grass and if
Speaker 2: you recall Mahomes could do that a little bit in
Speaker 2: his first three years, and then Andy would pull him
Speaker 2: back in. Mahomes would get really off mechanically. Stafford's done
Speaker 2: that in his career where it's so easy for Mahomes
Speaker 2: and Stafford. They start side arming two out of three throws,
Speaker 2: the mechanics get sloppy. And I thought with Caleb, he's
Speaker 2: got a defensive coach. So Mahomes has Andy. Stafford at
Speaker 2: one point had an offensive coordinator he really connected with.
Speaker 2: Now he has McVeigh. But I think with Caleb is
Speaker 2: when he gets sloppy mechanically, who brings him back on
Speaker 2: the fairway? Because I thought today he struggled at times
Speaker 2: to see things. You know, I thought his decision making
Speaker 2: late in the game and not making mistakes and taking
Speaker 2: what was given forum was fine, but it I mean,
Speaker 2: all these guys struggled today. Bo Nicks was as good
Speaker 2: as anybody, and he threw two picks. What did you
Speaker 2: make of Caleb overall today?
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you go back to Bill's comments,
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, I'm not being a hater, but I
Speaker 1: don't put anything into preseason. And when you're inaccurate in
Speaker 1: the preseason, do you know what hit me today watching
Speaker 1: about ten games in the morning on different TVs and screens.
Speaker 1: You know how the NBA once the playoffs start, You're like,
Speaker 1: what we just witnessed for the last six months doesn't
Speaker 1: even look like the same sport. That's kind of the preseason.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first ten minutes of like ten am
Speaker 1: to like ten thirty, You're watching the Steeler game, the
Speaker 1: Houston Indie game. Guys are flying around and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't even resemble what we just witnessed. Right, So
Speaker 1: the defensive game plans, all these defensive coordinators, even the
Speaker 1: average ones, are making one and a half two million dollars.
Speaker 1: They're paid a lot of money to do this. The
Speaker 1: physicality of the game rams up the question on Caleb
Speaker 1: he is going to be able to make spectacular throws
Speaker 1: though he wasn't doing that today. I think he was
Speaker 1: really rattled and his confidence was all shot. But can
Speaker 1: he just make basic throws from in the pocket, whether
Speaker 1: it's a fastball or whether it's a layered throw. And
Speaker 1: it kind of unraveled on him and unraveled on him fast.
Speaker 1: Now the tight Jeffrey Simmons is probably one of the
Speaker 1: better players that the casual fan doesn't know that much
Speaker 1: about because he plays for the Titans. You put him
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys or the Eagles or something, he'd be
Speaker 1: a star. And they were hitting his ass hard and
Speaker 1: he was he was thrown off and will Levis bailed
Speaker 1: their team out. Because if will Levis does him self implode,
Speaker 1: the Titans not only easily should have covered, they should
Speaker 1: win the game. I mean, he looked like Daniel Jones there,
Speaker 1: but Caleb was. He was atrocious today. I mean he
Speaker 1: really was, which is fair because this is what Bill
Speaker 1: and Bill's an old school guy, Sean Payton's all these
Speaker 1: guys that come from the eighties, the nineties, the Bill Parcells.
Speaker 1: They hate hype, you know you and I I like
Speaker 1: some hype, Yeah, I enjoy it. Those guys do not
Speaker 1: like it because it doesn't mean anything once you kick
Speaker 1: off week one, and that, like all that hype was
Speaker 1: meaningless today if on third and seven he's skipping a
Speaker 1: ball and he was, and it unraveled fast. The arm strength,
Speaker 1: all the talent doesn't mean shit. And like you said,
Speaker 1: it gets back to Jayden Daniels. Beside his running didn't
Speaker 1: look great. Bo Nicks, who has an offensive play caller.
Speaker 1: Now he was on the road. Granted was looked overwhelmed
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. Yep, it's hard. This is
Speaker 1: really really. This is why I've said pump the brakes,
Speaker 1: especially on Caleb and the Bears. I don't know, like
Speaker 1: Nick Wright picked him to win the Super Bowl. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are hot, you know. He threw that
Speaker 1: out there. I don't know if he actually picked. But
Speaker 1: my point is he could make serious strides as the
Speaker 1: year goes on and they could win seven games. This
Speaker 1: is really Look at Sam Darnolly, He's been the league
Speaker 1: for like seven years. Has taken him forever to figure
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, no, I'm not easy.
Speaker 2: No, I said this. I did a piece for Fox
Speaker 2: Sunday and I said, be careful on Caleb Williams. This
Speaker 2: is one of the best divisions. This is a franchise
Speaker 2: that ran Trubisky out of town and he made the
Speaker 2: playoffs twice with Aaron Rodgers and Stafford in their prime.
Speaker 2: This media is rough, the weather gets rough by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: If they win eight games and he gets better, take it.
Speaker 2: If you could take that today and say he's significantly better,
Speaker 2: we win at games we finished third, take it, because
Speaker 2: what success looks like to Dak is not what success
Speaker 2: looks like. You know, years ago, you and I grew up,
Speaker 2: the hardest thing to do was hit a baseball. Now
Speaker 2: that's still really hard. It's still really hard. But quarterback
Speaker 2: now has entered that space because it's not a run
Speaker 2: centric league. It's a sixty forty sixty two to thirty
Speaker 2: eight passing league, and I mean it's even g You know,
Speaker 2: Smith a veteran today, his best play was a run,
Speaker 2: Like this stuff is hard, and I think we just
Speaker 2: have to understand. I thought all the quarterbacks looked overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: I thought bow Nicks had a little rhythm at one
Speaker 2: point in the game where he felt like I felt
Speaker 2: like bow seeing the game. It wasn't doing much, but
Speaker 2: he was seeing the game, he was seeing the field,
Speaker 2: and he was facing a new defensive head coach. So
Speaker 2: all twenty four points today were scored by defense and
Speaker 2: special teams. Will Levis to me, is done. He's baked.
Speaker 2: I don't think his college game looks like his pro game.
Speaker 2: Doesn't see the field. Terrible judgment. I think Caleb's going
Speaker 2: to be fine, But to your point, he looked overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing is if you opened
Speaker 2: up on the road, It's different, dude. He opened up
Speaker 2: in Chicago. The weather was perfect. That a buddy at
Speaker 2: the game like there was a lot of fricking heat
Speaker 2: on Caleb today, like a lot of pressure on Caleb.
Speaker 1: Well, that's where if you know, if you take bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: you take Caleb. Bo Nix is in Seattle where the
Speaker 1: place is really loud and he could barely hear himself.
Speaker 1: Think Caleb gets a pretty BP fastball of twelve o'clock
Speaker 1: kickoff in Chicago. I'm a huge believer in two things.
Speaker 1: For young people, whether you're a professional athlete or just
Speaker 1: a normal person in society, confidence can be lost really quickly,
Speaker 1: and it can be hard to gain. I would say,
Speaker 1: you know in your early twenties and when you are
Speaker 1: everyone's looking at you. When you start losing confidence, it
Speaker 1: can spiral and the only thing you ever have to
Speaker 1: go back on is your experience. But as a young player,
Speaker 1: you don't have any experience. Like Geno today, you're watching
Speaker 1: early on, You're like gott Seattle looks weird, He's been
Speaker 1: through it. Dak today. All these guys have so much
Speaker 1: experience that they don't freak out over one drive. They
Speaker 1: don't freak out over a bad quarter. And you just
Speaker 1: watch Kleb. You just felt it snowballing and what does
Speaker 1: he have to go back on? Nothing? And it's not
Speaker 1: like he can look over there and Bill Walsh's on
Speaker 1: the sideline and be like, listen, I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for thirty years, won a couple of Super Bowls. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call three plays, get you a couple of layups.
Speaker 1: And they were just they were very scattered. Yes, they
Speaker 1: felt very I mean there was one point in time
Speaker 1: in that game before Will Levis just pooped down his
Speaker 1: own leg where you're like, are they gonna lose twenty
Speaker 1: eight to ten? Yeah, and just be the number one
Speaker 1: story of the day tomorrow morning that the Bears and
Speaker 1: Caleb specifically are not nearly as good as we think
Speaker 1: because now and I really think that you can defensive turnovers,
Speaker 1: like if they're playing a top, if they're playing just
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or Genus.
Speaker 2: They have blown out, they get killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean they get killed. And I'm not
Speaker 1: jumping on Caleb here, which I would imagine is going
Speaker 1: to happen a lot this week. I just think everyone
Speaker 1: this is so much more difficult at the NFL level
Speaker 1: than college, even if you're playing at a high level
Speaker 1: of college. And Caleb was playing a lot of good
Speaker 1: teams in college, but the level of athlete, the level
Speaker 1: of speed, he just did the rhythm. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just it was glaring.
Speaker 2: And the level of coaching, you know, there's no grad
Speaker 2: assistance on these staffs. Man, you're talking about the very best.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus, you look at USC this year with
Speaker 2: the same defensive players, upgraded coach. I mean there's so many.
Speaker 2: There are bad college coaches. I mean guys like Mike
Speaker 2: Zimmer or X and he's been fired. Mike Zimmer is
Speaker 2: a great coach. So in the NFL, it's very rare.
Speaker 2: When you get up Brandon Staley, you're like, Okay, that
Speaker 2: guy's over his skis completely Freddie Kitchens, Yep, that's not
Speaker 2: gonna work. Overwhelmingly, almost everybody in this league is excellent.
Speaker 1: Well, one of my favorite bests today was Tampa over Washington,
Speaker 1: just one. I don't think Washington is any good. Tampa's
Speaker 1: made the playoffs for four years. They are loaded with
Speaker 1: NFL players all over the place, and Baker and I
Speaker 1: was close to where you stood on him. The change
Speaker 1: he's had as just the way he carries himself. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the way he plays Washington is they just don't have
Speaker 1: the talent, right. And I think you saw all these
Speaker 1: three rookie quarterbacks. The difference of Jayden and the other two.
Speaker 1: He can really take off. I mean he can really run,
Speaker 1: and that kind of neutralized and kept the game somewhat
Speaker 1: close for a while. But these coaches are gonna put
Speaker 1: you You're just gonna end up in third and long.
Speaker 1: And this is not college, like you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: sit in there and there's gonna be your You don't
Speaker 1: have seven seconds, like there's gonna be plays where you
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of it in two and a half.
Speaker 1: That's why watching Deshaun Watson, who's been a pronown for
Speaker 1: a while, it's like he has no clock. It's like
Speaker 1: you either got to throw the ball away. I bet
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's in there thinking like, what the hell am
Speaker 1: I watching get rid of the ball? I understand those
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks not knowing the time. To me, that's more
Speaker 1: than fair. I think it also shows how difficult it
Speaker 1: is for young quarterbacks. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: the listen I was high on Denver. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a roller coaster ride for all three guys, which is
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Speaker 2: Right now, I want to talk Raiders Chargers. It was
Speaker 2: the most predictable, at least stylistically, it was the most
Speaker 2: predictable game.
Speaker 1: It was a rock fight. It was just.
Speaker 2: Physical, brutal, tough. I mean, it was not pretty. But
Speaker 2: my favorite part of this game is basically the same
Speaker 2: defense as last year. They were in the right spot.
Speaker 2: I mean, they had one kind of mistackle on a
Speaker 2: play that ended up being a big play for the Raiders.
Speaker 2: But justin Herbert goes sixteen of twenty five for one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five yards, no touchdowns, no picks, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's going to do that several times this year,
Speaker 2: and people are going to bang on Justin Herbert. I
Speaker 2: watched that game and I'm like, Hardbaugh's looking at that talent.
Speaker 2: Pretty light at tight end and wide receiver, not a
Speaker 2: lot of game breakers. Okay at running back, better than average,
Speaker 2: maybe not great. Harbaugh looked at that game today and thought,
Speaker 2: and I think they're going to win this. Stylistically, this
Speaker 2: is how the Chargers will win. They'll ugly it up.
Speaker 2: Herbert won't make any mistakes, He'll make four to five
Speaker 2: big throws, no interceptions, make the right reads. This felt
Speaker 2: It almost felt like Harbaugh his first year at Michigan,
Speaker 2: taken over for Brady Hope. He didn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of elite playmakers, but he won ten games on just
Speaker 2: situational field position, toughness. And then over the course of
Speaker 2: two or three years, he couldn't beat Ohio State. He
Speaker 2: was losing games you think they should win, but they
Speaker 2: didn't have NFL players. The Chargers boss great Derwin James
Speaker 2: is fantastic, so was Herbert. Rashaun Slater's a good left
Speaker 2: tackle and not a lot of guys everybody would vie
Speaker 2: for if they were on the market. I thought that
Speaker 2: game was exactly how you have to win if you're
Speaker 2: the Chargers with Harbaugh this year.
Speaker 1: With that talent. Yeah, I think if you remove the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: they're the same team, right, They're very similar. Herbert I
Speaker 1: didn't even know his box score. I thought he I
Speaker 1: ate some big, big throws down the stretch. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: made some big throws down the stretch. And then I
Speaker 1: had the game on mute was a Dobbins busted the
Speaker 1: big run. That is Listen, their team is not going
Speaker 1: to be a sexy watch this year. And the Raiders
Speaker 1: if they had justin Herbert, would be the same thing.
Speaker 1: They'd have to win a lot of games, kind of
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs did last year. Mucky it up, ugly
Speaker 1: it up, and try to win nineteen to fourteen, nineteen
Speaker 1: to seventeen. And I think when you watch, you know,
Speaker 1: let's look at that division. Right, Like I had either
Speaker 1: Denver the Chargers making the playoffs. I kind of waffled
Speaker 1: back and forth. I think it is going to be difficult.
Speaker 1: Now we'll have to see how the rest of the
Speaker 1: AFC plays out. It's obviously gonna be hard for Denver
Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback and playing on the road, the
Speaker 1: Raiders have no shot Harbad does just because of this quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's talent. Some of these guys that
Speaker 1: hate on him. It's like, one you were either just
Speaker 1: trying to be like counterculture and just sound different, or
Speaker 1: two you know nobody in football because nobody thinks that, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, just lest of the way Jim talks about him.
Speaker 1: I think over the next couple of years, and when
Speaker 1: we saw how Jim has built at Michigan, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be a serious problem as he teaches Justin Herbert how
Speaker 1: to win in the NFL. But they got their talent deficient. Yeah, clearly,
Speaker 1: clearly on offense. And the one thing as the season goes,
Speaker 1: and this goes back to the rookie quarterbacks, these defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: I mean, they worked eighteen hours a day. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get nine guys in the box and Herbert's gonna have
Speaker 1: to beat him with kind of random wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If they had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams in their prime,
Speaker 1: to me, they would be a lock playoff team. But
Speaker 1: they had to pivot off those guys because of the money.
Speaker 1: But it's Jim's a winner. So betting against Jim to
Speaker 1: me seems moronic. I mean, it's just it's not gonna work. Now.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna win ten games this year? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have a chance to go above five hundred.
Speaker 1: I bet when the dust settles come December, how about it.
Speaker 2: Antonio appears punting on a fourth and one late in
Speaker 2: the game, and I thought, I thought it was interesting
Speaker 2: because I thought, well, that's what defensive coaches do. By
Speaker 2: the way, even Mike McDonald, the new Seahawk coach, in
Speaker 2: a win, super conservative down the stretch Denver had a
Speaker 2: chance to get the ball back and win the game.
Speaker 2: It was like, defensive guys, oh my god, I'm watching
Speaker 2: Antonio Pierce. I'm like, dude, you can't be conservative with
Speaker 2: that football team. The only way the Raiders can win
Speaker 2: six games is big swings, because you just don't. And
Speaker 2: by the way, teams with weak quarterback play will get
Speaker 2: worse over the season because the defense will be on
Speaker 2: the field for more snaps. Defensive players get hurt more
Speaker 2: than offensive players statistically in the league. So a team
Speaker 2: like the Raiders, you get to like week four to
Speaker 2: five to six when the defense is literally on the
Speaker 2: field the whole game. You're going to be losing guys
Speaker 2: left and right. You got to take swings.
Speaker 1: I think one of the elephants in the room in
Speaker 1: that game, and you saw him a couple times on
Speaker 1: the sideline, is DeVante Adams on that team. Makes no
Speaker 1: sense none. And if people still think he can play,
Speaker 1: if you his value has diminished because as time goes on,
Speaker 1: you make a lot of money and you don't produce
Speaker 1: it the same way, you're just not worth as much.
Speaker 1: But if you can get rid of him at the
Speaker 1: trade deadline for a second and a third, like to me,
Speaker 1: that's it's probably time to pivot. I get not trading
Speaker 1: Max Crosby because those guys are hard to find, but
Speaker 1: a wide receiver with a team with no quarterback. It
Speaker 1: also shows you that Gardner Minshew like, there's such a difference.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold everyone hated and right, I mean, he was
Speaker 1: bad in the spots, but then look who believed in him.
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan signed him last March and immediately Trey Lance
Speaker 1: was dead on arrival. His career ended the moment he signed,
Speaker 1: and then by he spends a year. One thing he
Speaker 1: talked about is like I saw Purty work well. Obviously
Speaker 1: Perdy's work ethic has to be elite for him to
Speaker 1: have success, right with his physical tools, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I really opened my eyes. This is a fifth six
Speaker 1: year player saying he's watched a second year guy. He's
Speaker 1: never been around that, and his physical attributes relative to
Speaker 1: Minschew both those guys with the Bridge quarterbacks this offseason,
Speaker 1: it's not even in the same ballpark. Minshew's a great story.
Speaker 1: He's a good backup if you were forced to start
Speaker 1: them week one, and now it feels like a couple
Speaker 1: of teams have been forced to over the course of
Speaker 1: his career. You're just done, like your season is over
Speaker 1: before it even begins. And Sam Darnold like, is he
Speaker 1: gonna sustain this all season? I don't know, but his
Speaker 1: physical attributes and clearly people like the guy. He just
Speaker 1: needed to get around some real offensive coaches. Now we
Speaker 1: see back to back years, Kyle Shanahan thn Kevin o'connelly
Speaker 1: gets a chance to play. I understand he's playing the
Speaker 1: Giants and they suck. But Colin he looked pretty good today.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. He went nineteen and twenty four
Speaker 2: at one point, I think he was ten for ten
Speaker 2: two hundred and eight yards two tds. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: really touches on something. I always have sympathy for people
Speaker 2: like this. I got very lucky my first job out
Speaker 2: of college. I was in Vegas and it couldn't have
Speaker 2: been a better place for me to work. I got
Speaker 2: a really good news director who believed in me. I
Speaker 2: had good pace people around me. And if you look
Speaker 2: at my career, I've had really smart people, agents, content people,
Speaker 2: and my career wouldn't be like this if I didn't
Speaker 2: get people that supported me and believed in me. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, Adam Gase, I thought he
Speaker 2: would be good because Peyton Manning has said he was
Speaker 2: going to be good and it just didn't work. But
Speaker 2: I mean he's been at the Jets, he's been at Carolina.
Speaker 2: It's like, I have sympathy for people that I know
Speaker 2: who are talented, and I've worked with people in my
Speaker 2: business like this. Hell, you're a great example. Every one
Speaker 2: of my friends loves you. You've done great for us.
Speaker 2: You got to let go by an AM radio station
Speaker 2: in the Bay. I'm not blaming anybody, but it's like
Speaker 2: every Yeah, by the way, at the volume we've made,
Speaker 2: our business is basically finding people who we think are
Speaker 2: really good, and we think they were a place that
Speaker 2: doesn't understand how good they are. You were one of them.
Speaker 2: So the thing about Sam Darnold is look at who
Speaker 2: likes him. Shanahan liked them, Adam Gase actually liked him
Speaker 2: a lot early. Kevin O'Connell likes him. If you start
Speaker 2: asking around the league. I know when it was funny
Speaker 2: when Christian McCaffrey had a wedding, there was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I saw nine of the guys there to one of
Speaker 2: them was Sam Donald like players like Sam, and I
Speaker 2: thought today, if you watch that game, every time Sam
Speaker 2: went back to pass, you could literally see it as
Speaker 2: a viewer, as a consumer, they had Sam knew where
Speaker 2: he was going, He wasn't ad libbing. Sam knew where
Speaker 2: he was throwing the football. And it's like that's the difference.
Speaker 2: I mean, go look the Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher
Speaker 2: and then with McVeigh. He was a bust. He was
Speaker 2: a disaster. And then you're like, oh shit, he's going
Speaker 2: to totoe with Mahomes on Monday night football. What's going
Speaker 2: on here. So I watched Donald. Their schedule's brutal. I
Speaker 2: think they were a seven win eight win team. But
Speaker 2: when I watched him today, I'm like, oh, he finally
Speaker 2: got his kingmaker right.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. People ask me all the time, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to get into the podcast business.
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice? I'm like, yeah, just find
Speaker 1: a coward, that's what you need, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: I mean, there are players are no different than a
Speaker 1: lot of people in a lot of different industries. There
Speaker 1: are probably some really talented players on Carolina that no
Speaker 1: one's gonna notice, right, And look at Carson Wentz, he
Speaker 1: was out of the league. And then who was interested
Speaker 1: last year Sean McVeigh, and what had happened to him
Speaker 1: this offseason? Bret Veach Andy Reid signed him. So perception
Speaker 1: becomes reality. The NFL is a lot like a high school.
Speaker 1: People talk, you know, fair not narratives become truce and
Speaker 1: it's hard to shake it off. And only it's rare
Speaker 1: that a guy like Sam Darnold truly gets like a
Speaker 1: cool opportunity. He has opportunity if he plays really well.
Speaker 1: They just drafted JJ McCarthy. They have no choice but
Speaker 1: the pivot and let's they like win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: or something. Who say the Raiders won't give him some
Speaker 1: money or a team like that this offseason, right, and
Speaker 1: like some guys are completely overwhelmed. Look at Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: He got drafted to Kyle Shanahan and they're out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he goes to Mike McCarthy's great with quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's our third string quarterback. Like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm out on him. Right, that's not meat had defensive
Speaker 1: guys not willing to like see your talent. Now. I
Speaker 1: do think we have his historical similarities of guys that
Speaker 1: were high draft picks. I remember living in the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: You know they talk about like Jim Plunkett, high draft
Speaker 1: pick fell apart and then the Raiders got him. We've
Speaker 1: seen Rich Gannon as an example. You see guys kind
Speaker 1: of bounce around. They get with the rights fit and
Speaker 1: they get with the right guy to believe in them.
Speaker 1: And the good thing for Sam is Kyle O'Connell are
Speaker 1: the same umbrella. We'll look around the league. There's like
Speaker 1: seventeen of them all over the price. So if you
Speaker 1: all know the offense, his demand. He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: do this every week, but if he can just prove
Speaker 1: to have them in the wild card conversation come after Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a starting quarterback. I mean, Colin,
Speaker 1: I'm watching Bryce Young and that's the organization clearly has issue.
Speaker 1: He looks completely overwhelmed. Overwhelmed. Deshaun Watson wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback long if his contract was. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks, Jacoby Brissett. I mean there are a lot.
Speaker 1: And I understand he won today, but he threw for
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty yards. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys playing in this league today that
Speaker 1: just are not going to be playing for long. So
Speaker 1: when you can prove it. No one's ever disputed Sam's
Speaker 1: physical characteristics. And if you know the Shanahan offense, which
Speaker 1: I would say is one of the more complex, and
Speaker 1: now you know, like the intricacies of O'Connell that brings
Speaker 1: some of McVeigh, they're all kind of interconnected. I think
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty bright future if he can just
Speaker 1: keep building on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had some tight window throws, red zone.
Speaker 1: Throws when he looked good. He looked good.
Speaker 2: I thought, Sam, I thought he looked really good. You know,
Speaker 2: it's I want to talk about the Broncos and Seahawks,
Speaker 2: because again I thought Bo had his moments. I'm watching Seattle,
Speaker 2: and I say this respectively to Pete Carroll. I think
Speaker 2: Seattle has elite talent. I just don't think people know
Speaker 2: the players. But walker their wide receivers, they have tremendous
Speaker 2: young corners. They got a consistent pass rush. They got
Speaker 2: the Murphy kid in the draft, the top defensive tackle
Speaker 2: a fan left today. It's Gino is what he is, like,
Speaker 2: He's a really solid he's a great story.
Speaker 1: He is what he is.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna lose you a lot of games. He's
Speaker 2: not gonna win you a lot of games. But I'm
Speaker 2: watching that game today and Sean Payton coached his ass
Speaker 2: off for a half.
Speaker 1: He got them.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of this was Seattle do it
Speaker 2: getting safeties, and it was quirky, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, by the second half, you're like, Okay, now
Speaker 2: we're off script. And now Bo Nix is a rookie
Speaker 2: quarterback and he just you know, that's the difference between
Speaker 2: a veteran Dak in the second half and bo Nicks
Speaker 2: in the second half. Both like, Okay, now they adjusted,
Speaker 2: So I got the everything on the script. I figured out.
Speaker 2: Now it's all off script. And I'm watching that Seattle team,
Speaker 2: John and I think you called him one of the
Speaker 2: surprise teams. I'll just say it right now. Maybe they're
Speaker 2: not Baltimore. I think they are really talented. They really
Speaker 2: They fly around the field defensively.
Speaker 1: I actually was kind of on the other side, but
Speaker 1: their talent. My issue with them is they've been they
Speaker 1: were poorly coached, but they've been winning nine games. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like they've been winning five. And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm sanseled. How do they go from Do you
Speaker 1: think they could win eleven? I still think their offensive
Speaker 1: line has some question marks. They get today, they got punked.
Speaker 1: Gino has his limitations, But you're right. I mean, Kenneth Walker,
Speaker 1: there's a chance at the end of the year he's
Speaker 1: a top five running back. Yeah, how about the catch
Speaker 1: Lockett made to seal the game. He's their third wide
Speaker 1: receiver and he's been there though.
Speaker 2: Jesus, he's been great for ten years.
Speaker 1: He's got to be one of the more underappreciated players
Speaker 1: of his generation might not even be close. I think
Speaker 1: I could play for my team any day now. If
Speaker 1: their defense is better, they still might be a nine
Speaker 1: ish win team. But could they beat the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers in again, because they haven't beat the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers in five games him two years ago in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So if they if they can play at a more
Speaker 1: physical brand, My question marks you never know where the
Speaker 1: coordinator into a head coach. He's young. I think he's
Speaker 1: thirty seven years old. And their offensive coordinator, who we
Speaker 1: all loved in college, who was de bors right Heim,
Speaker 1: had never coached in the NFL. They showed his resume
Speaker 1: to day he was a Sioux Falls not that long ago.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty quick jump. Now he clearly knows what
Speaker 1: he's doing, and so their coaching staff might just be better.
Speaker 1: I saw I watch John Schnyder's press conference at the
Speaker 1: end of training camp. You can tell he thinks they
Speaker 1: got something. Not he knows their team is talented, but
Speaker 1: like he thinks the coaching staff's pretty good. So like,
Speaker 1: can they beat McVeigh and Kyle? Can they split? Can
Speaker 1: they go to and two? Because if they can, then
Speaker 1: maybe they're not nine to eight, they're ten and seven,
Speaker 1: and they're like the six or seven seed. I would
Speaker 1: say that's possible. Not going to overreact to playing Denver
Speaker 1: who It's just you could tell they're a little talent
Speaker 1: defision still with the rookie quarterback. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's hard not to He's an easy guy to root for.
Speaker 1: Geno's an easy guy to root for. I just wonder
Speaker 1: in Sunday Night Monday Night games and Tom Brady calling
Speaker 1: it if you're both four and one, or however the
Speaker 1: schedule and you're playing the Rams or you're playing the Niners,
Speaker 1: are you I'm not picking Gino Smith Homer Away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I will say this about bo Nix and I had
Speaker 2: talked about this because I saw him play live twice.
Speaker 2: He is much more mobile than people give him credit for.
Speaker 2: Way more mobile. He ran in for a touchdown today
Speaker 2: on a pump fake. He you know it's he looks smallish.
Speaker 2: You don't think you know sixty one college starts. You
Speaker 2: don't see m as a great athlete. I thought today
Speaker 2: he I know, one of the interceptions was a great play.
Speaker 2: And I love the Seahawk corners and again, they're all overwhelmed.
Speaker 2: They don't have a ton to work with. I don't
Speaker 2: know how good their offensive line is. I think Bonnix
Speaker 2: is gonna work. I don't think they want a ton
Speaker 2: of games. But when I watched him today, I never
Speaker 2: felt he was rattled. I thought he made two throws
Speaker 2: that were like rookie throws in the second half. I'm like, oh, Jesus,
Speaker 2: bo But I kind of like, bake that in. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. When I watched him today, I fore
Speaker 2: filthy was you know, I kind of just my low
Speaker 2: after watching Caleb. I'm like, Jesus, this is rough. I
Speaker 2: watched them and I was like, if you told me
Speaker 2: by Thanksgiving it all clicked, I'd be like, all right,
Speaker 2: I could see it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what where it's set in with me
Speaker 1: is last night at eleven o'clock at night watching the
Speaker 1: Big Ten play. They had multiple Big Ten games going
Speaker 1: Oregon in usc Your Trojans look better in Oregon right now.
Speaker 2: That's the Organ's a mess.
Speaker 1: There's a drop off at quarterback. Dylan Gabriel has been
Speaker 1: a productive player, but there is a dramatic difference between
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel, who's probably not even a draft pick and
Speaker 1: a guy that was just a top fifteen pick immediate
Speaker 1: starter a week one, Like that's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 1: Right when you look at Oregon, I know they got
Speaker 1: their offensive line is a mess. But if your offensive
Speaker 1: line is a mess, and this goes back to Cleveland,
Speaker 1: if your quarterback can be mobile, you either got to
Speaker 1: do two things what Peyton and Toalm could do forever
Speaker 1: they played with a lot of average offensive line. Get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball like that, yea, or run around
Speaker 1: for your life Lamar Jackson the other night and you
Speaker 1: get caught like Deshaun Watson. You're kind of doing neither well.
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks can scramble, Jayden Daniels can scramble. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if your offensive line's gonna suck and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: pick you apart in the pocket really quick, you gotta
Speaker 1: be able to move and bow speed translates like physically
Speaker 1: to me, Like talent wise, everyone anoints Caleb as this
Speaker 1: all time great talent. He's really talented to me, Like
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and John Elway are probably on their own
Speaker 1: little tier. But I think bo Nick's physical attributes are
Speaker 1: like a plus characteristic. Yeah, like they got that going now.
Speaker 1: He threw a pick in the red zone like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. But yeah, I'm not out on him
Speaker 1: by any means. I've actually he's really grown on me.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that during the preseason even to day,
Speaker 1: like that's tough to go on the road against a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator who's a head coach. They're flying around. Can't
Speaker 1: hear yourself think like that's it's a tough, tough environment
Speaker 1: in those spots like this is back to Caleb and
Speaker 1: Bo they're Enviirelan's were completely different. One was home. One
Speaker 1: was like a cater dinner, and the other one was
Speaker 1: like make a five star meal. Here's mayonnaise and here's
Speaker 1: a piece of beef. Right now, it's like, it's difficult.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Buffalo in Arizona. So I
Speaker 2: watched Kansas City and Baltimore play, and then I watched
Speaker 2: Green Bay and Philadelphia. So I see those four teams
Speaker 2: and I see all this offense. And then I watched
Speaker 2: Houston today. It's just got nothing but ballers offensively. Then
Speaker 2: I watched Dallas today and I'm sitting there looking around
Speaker 2: watching Buffalo in Arizona. Kyler Murray's beyond clever. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's just a little pitter patter of feet.
Speaker 1: He's a great watch. I don't know how many games
Speaker 1: they'll win, but he's on TV. He's great's fun.
Speaker 2: But I watched Buffalo and I'm like, you're not You're
Speaker 2: not Kansas City, Kansas you had a chance to beat
Speaker 2: Kansas City. They have added elements now between worthy, they
Speaker 2: have a second tight end. They brought Juju Smith, Schuster,
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown. They still have Isaiah Pacheco. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: Kansas City's got firepower, Dallas has firepower. Houston's got a
Speaker 2: lot of firepower. Baltimore's got firepower. Jordan loves out for
Speaker 2: about a month, but Green Bay and Philly have firepower.
Speaker 2: We know the Rams and San Francisco will move the ball.
Speaker 2: I watch Buffalo of Today and I'm like, it took
Speaker 2: him a while to get cooking. John. I don't know
Speaker 2: if windows closed, but I don't think they can. I
Speaker 2: don't think they can keep up with a lot of
Speaker 2: these AFC teams.
Speaker 1: Why I would push back that I loved the Cardinals
Speaker 1: plus six and a half because Kyler's such a difficult
Speaker 1: guy to play week one when you haven't had no
Speaker 1: game experience. You're not used to the speed of the
Speaker 1: NFL as we already talked to in terms of your team,
Speaker 1: Like the speed of Week one compared to like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago in a preseason game is night and day.
Speaker 1: So I give you a pass of just running around
Speaker 1: because they do have a good pass rush. They're just
Speaker 1: gonna eat up a lot more immobile quarterbacks like Tua.
Speaker 1: And if we're gonna give Baltimore credit, Lamar happened to
Speaker 1: pull stuff out of his you know what, every other
Speaker 1: play because their offensive line isn't good. Josh is doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. And I think the question mark with
Speaker 1: both guys. You know, by the end of the game,
Speaker 1: I'm looking up. I got him on a muted TV.
Speaker 1: They're wrapping his arm. I mean, he's just taken shot
Speaker 1: after shot. He is. I didn't I was too young
Speaker 1: to remember, like the young, physical dominant Lway, but that
Speaker 1: is as dominant of a physical specimen who can run
Speaker 1: and pass. You know, Cam was always hit or missed
Speaker 1: with the pass. Yeah, as a runner, he's probably the
Speaker 1: most dominant runner of all time. Josh is the ultimate
Speaker 1: combo of them both because he's a better pass than Lamar.
Speaker 1: Lamar's faster than him, But I mean, you can truck
Speaker 1: basically any linebacker on the defensive back. You've been talking
Speaker 1: about this for a while. You just get worried when
Speaker 1: you play like that. Yeah, eventually you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: broken arm or a broken clavical. But I think that there.
Speaker 1: I think there's a grittiness of that team. Like there
Speaker 1: was a moment you looked up and it was like,
Speaker 1: are they gonna get their ass kicked? And then the boom.
Speaker 1: I had a buddy text, He's like, should I hammer
Speaker 1: the money line? You get him like plus one eighty
Speaker 1: right now, Like I don't hate it? And then boom,
Speaker 1: they scored two touchdowns. Yes, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they had the lead. Now granted it was at home,
Speaker 1: but I thought once they kind of realized the speed
Speaker 1: of Murray, they sacked them a couple times in the
Speaker 1: second half. I think their front's gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 1: And I'm just I'm just a Josh Diehard believer. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's just one of been watching football now
Speaker 1: thirty years. I think he's one of the best talents
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Oh, he's just turned into a great player.
Speaker 1: That he could Shakir. The Boise State Ride receivers really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their run game is the best it's been. And I
Speaker 1: do think they built like they did show something last year.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like, can they beat Kansas City in
Speaker 1: a playoff game? If they played right now? Kansasity is
Speaker 1: much better team.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: I think there's a greatness to the squad, though it's.
Speaker 2: They were not very good on third down. It's funny.
Speaker 2: I looked at him today and I just thought, I
Speaker 2: don't know if they can keep up. Now, everybody goes,
Speaker 2: we'll call them. They scored thirty four points, are gonna
Speaker 2: be fine. It's more than that. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: funny when I look at them, they only average cook
Speaker 2: on the ever's three point seven yards per rush, three
Speaker 2: for nine on third down.
Speaker 1: You know what they have going for him, Colin, Let's
Speaker 1: remove Kansas City, who was like the Jordan Bulls right now?
Speaker 1: Who The Bengals look like absolute dog poop today. I mean,
Speaker 1: what an awful I mean, that's got to be the
Speaker 1: worst loss of the day to lose to the Patriots
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think Houston I think that win
Speaker 2: today was much more impressive than people give it credit for.
Speaker 1: Totally great. I think Indy's good, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think that was a playoff level game between those are
Speaker 1: two good teams. You know, the Steelers are gonna have
Speaker 1: to win a lot of games eighteen to twelve, right,
Speaker 1: the Browns have a ton of issues. We'll see the
Speaker 1: Jets Monday night. I know the Dolphins pulled out a win.
Speaker 1: I think Doug Peterson did a couple of weird things
Speaker 1: play Colin Wise, I think that game was That game
Speaker 1: was bizarre. But I am not a believer in the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: So one thing the Bills have going for him Texas
Speaker 1: was some people in Kansas City, They're like, god, Lamar
Speaker 1: is really hard to play, But can you play like
Speaker 1: that throughout the entire season? Now, Obviously you're not playing
Speaker 1: the Chiefs every week, so he's not gonna need one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards, But whenever they play a good team,
Speaker 1: they're gonna need Lamar to be this incredible. So you
Speaker 1: just look around the AFC, like, I just think the
Speaker 1: NFC is better, right, I mean, Philly's still figuring things out.
Speaker 1: Dallas today, we'll see the Niners, we'll see the Lion. Like.
Speaker 1: I just think the NFC is pretty stacked. So you
Speaker 1: look for the Bills, you go, Yeah, they got some
Speaker 1: young players they're relying on, but they still got the
Speaker 1: second best quarterback in the NFL, right, and a coach
Speaker 1: that kind of knows how to win. They've won the
Speaker 1: division four straight years, yea, and a group of kind
Speaker 1: of core guys. So I'm still a believer. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know if I pick them to win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't pick them to beat the Chiefs, but
Speaker 1: I think they could beat any other team in the AFC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably too hard on them. I found the
Speaker 2: game wildly entertaining. I guess they you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: As I watched them, I kept thinking, God, they're so
Speaker 2: Josh Allen freaking reliant, and then I look at it
Speaker 2: and it's, you know, in fairness, Coleman had cash Is
Speaker 2: Shakier's a clever player. Yeah, and you know you start
Speaker 2: looking at it cook. Yeah, I think their yards per
Speaker 2: catch were greater than I give them credit for. The
Speaker 2: Other thing about Buffalo, They're just in a lot of
Speaker 2: crazy ass games. Houston's in a lot of those they are.
Speaker 2: Buffalo's just in a lot of big games, crazy games,
Speaker 2: and I think that's just sort of their hallmark. Now
Speaker 2: we've seen them in so many memorable games.
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you look at Buffalo, they play
Speaker 1: in the offensive version of the Steelers, who play in
Speaker 1: the defensive version of the same game. It's like going
Speaker 1: back and forth. Anything could happen, fumble sixes, crazy sacks
Speaker 1: for Buffalo's games, or just a lot of touchdowns and
Speaker 1: it's Josh scoring a lot. They're more likely to be
Speaker 1: in a game it's thirty three to twenty nine and
Speaker 1: the Steelers are playing, like what a win by the
Speaker 1: Steelers and they win twelve to seven, and they both
Speaker 1: win a lot of games, you trust. I just believe
Speaker 1: in this modern day the way the sports played, when
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks that good, I just have to believe in.
Speaker 1: And that's where you go the Steelers, you go God CJ.
Speaker 1: Watton on quarterback. Hell, he might be the best. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a short list of guys that are as good
Speaker 1: as him or better than him. Their defense is so physical,
Speaker 1: but their quarterback situation, you know, I would imagine Field
Speaker 1: starts again next week. But they got this Russell situation
Speaker 1: hanging over them where it's like, if you're the Bills,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we got you could argue the best
Speaker 1: player in the history of our franchise. And they've had,
Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Smith, Thurmanton, They've had great players. But
Speaker 1: like Josh, given his position and what he means over
Speaker 1: the last three or four years, it's like those teams
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. Now they got there.
Speaker 2: I should but I I should probably look at the
Speaker 2: Bills and have a different feeling, which is they were
Speaker 2: outplayed in the first half and they ended up winning
Speaker 2: the game. Like there were moments in that game I
Speaker 2: was like, God, Arizona's just playing them tough. And then
Speaker 2: at the end they won the game. But it's not
Speaker 2: like Chicago, where Tennessee gave you the game. It was
Speaker 2: like Buffalo earned the win. I mean they put up points.
Speaker 2: It is, you know, Josh eighteen to twenty three. That's
Speaker 2: actually twenty three attempts because he's so vital as a
Speaker 2: on her is a very reasonable number. Like I think
Speaker 2: Buffalo wants to become less Josh centric, but it's hard.
Speaker 1: They want to run the ball. They want to run
Speaker 1: the ball. Today they got down yes, I anytime you
Speaker 1: get down in a game, even in the NFL, Like
Speaker 1: you looked around beside the Saints and the Panthers, most
Speaker 1: of these games are relatively close, even when it's fourteen
Speaker 1: seven or fourteen three. I mean, you're a play away
Speaker 1: from being right back in it. But you kind of
Speaker 1: have to get a little pass happy when you're down
Speaker 1: seventeen to three at home late in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: And then they did and it worked, and then you
Speaker 1: just double down on what's working the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: You just worry to me him and Lamar like, I understand,
Speaker 1: this isn't nineteen eighty seven and Ronnie Lot hitting you
Speaker 1: every play, but you're still getting hit pretty hard. And
Speaker 1: these guys have never been faster. I would imagine the
Speaker 1: body fat on the average defender has never been lower. Right,
Speaker 1: so the compact nature of these guys and the speeds
Speaker 1: have never been faster. Both of them are you know,
Speaker 1: similar age twenty seven to twenty nine years old. You
Speaker 1: just under like, how long? And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: How would they not be confident running because they know
Speaker 1: it works. But one time you're gonna get a hit
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna get up and something's gonna be Shatwill.
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen to Rodgers earlier.
Speaker 2: In this time, Drew Bloodshell almost died on a football
Speaker 2: field when he got laid out Drew Bledsoe six, five
Speaker 2: and a half to thirty. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 2: the I mean, Cam Newton's career thirty two, he was done.
Speaker 2: Cam's huge.
Speaker 1: Do you think you're I kind of like your thing
Speaker 1: about by the second year Thanksgiving, It's like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: kind of out the Panthers thing. I know they got
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of Will Levice, Bryce Young. I watched today. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't think it works. I don't think it works.
Speaker 1: This is why I like the Saints. I'm like, people
Speaker 1: are hard on Derek. He was bad for a lot
Speaker 1: of last year. Well he gets the Shanahan guy when
Speaker 1: he gets a good offensive coach. I think they got
Speaker 1: a good defense. I'm like, you watch Saints from my
Speaker 1: pick to win the division. Now, I know understand they're
Speaker 1: playing the Panthers, But what did Derek Carr look like today?
Speaker 1: Really good? Through three touchdowns? He looks good and Bryce
Speaker 1: Young look like lost someone that shouldn't be on a field.
Speaker 1: That's try one. Physically one. Physically, he's the smallest looking
Speaker 1: guy in the league by a mile at that position.
Speaker 1: Because even Kyler at the moment's notice, he can take
Speaker 1: off Bryce can't. Arm's not great, and then he's clearly
Speaker 1: not that accurate. That's right.
Speaker 2: Today's struggles. Well, Will Levis today, there was a play
Speaker 2: when Will Levis was rolling right and he is too muscular.
Speaker 2: He was rolling right and he should have just rolled
Speaker 2: and thrown it. He rolled satuh, And I'm like, Will,
Speaker 2: you got to throw in the move. You can't set
Speaker 2: every time you throw the football. You got to be
Speaker 2: able to run and just sling it. And I watched
Speaker 2: Will Levis today. He's too rigid, he's too tight, he's
Speaker 2: not fluid. He's not going to make it in this league.
Speaker 1: Everything the GM tell you that. His pictures at the
Speaker 1: combine are like what is this guy doing? Like, get
Speaker 1: out of the weight room.
Speaker 2: He's not a fluid thrower. Everything is just like solid,
Speaker 2: everything's mechanical. He's not gonna work in this league. Everything
Speaker 2: needs set up. And he's got these weird ticks when
Speaker 2: he throws it. It's like he watched it. He looks
Speaker 2: at himself in the mirror too much. He likes to
Speaker 2: look pretty when he throws. Dude, sometimes this shit's ugly.
Speaker 2: Move throw it. And Bryce Young to your point, I
Speaker 2: thought he was incredibly accurate. He's not strong. He missed
Speaker 2: two guys today by eight yards open. I mean miss
Speaker 2: them badly. It's like, okay, you can't that's the NFL.
Speaker 2: And Caleb, by the way, I missed a couple of
Speaker 2: open guys that was a little problematic. But Bryce Young
Speaker 2: to I'm like, Bryce, you don't have the size. You
Speaker 2: have to be accurate.
Speaker 1: That's it for you.
Speaker 2: Like bo Knicks has to be accurate.
Speaker 1: He's not.
Speaker 2: He's not six ' five and running over people. Will
Speaker 2: levis too mechanical, not gonna work. Daniel Jones too mechanical,
Speaker 2: doesn't see the field, not gonna work. Bryce Young small
Speaker 2: not as accurate as I thought.
Speaker 1: I just think it's unraveling on him. You know, last
Speaker 1: year they fired all these coaches, get a new guy in,
Speaker 1: and then today. I don't think it could go any
Speaker 1: worse because even the giants like they get their ass kicked.
Speaker 1: Everyone thought Daniel Jones is awful. Yeah, Like people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's give Bryce a kind of a mulligain. He gets
Speaker 1: his offensive play caller. Before you even blinkets twenty to nothing.
Speaker 1: Balls are flying over Honey Badger and all the dbs
Speaker 1: are laughing. I mean they weren't even close. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Like Deshaun Watson's shoulder injury, is he trying
Speaker 1: to throw every ball seventy five yards pass?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I give Caleb the first NFL game Like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: some balls flying all over the place Game one, Deshaun
Speaker 1: even Bryce, Like, you got a full season last year
Speaker 1: and you've played this team before, but that confidence goes.
Speaker 1: You start questioning yourself and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a golf swing. If you start
Speaker 1: guiding it, the ball is gonna go out of bounce.
Speaker 1: Just let it rip. Dak Prescott is just letting it rip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean every pass is going to be perfect, but
Speaker 1: you can't be thinking. And you watch Bryce, it's like
Speaker 1: he's totally thinking and then his physical skills aren't great
Speaker 1: and it just goes. This is I think the Panthers
Speaker 1: are gonna be really really bad because that division. I
Speaker 1: know Atlanta lost today, but they were I'll give you
Speaker 1: Alanta credit. They were flying around, hitting people pretty Tampa
Speaker 1: was pretty loaded with talent. Saints are gonna be solid.
Speaker 1: Like that's everyone thinks that division is gonna suck. I'm
Speaker 1: actually on the opposite. I think it's gonna be pretty
Speaker 1: competitive beside Carolina, Like, who are they beaten out of
Speaker 1: those three teams? That could be an oh and six
Speaker 1: in the division.
Speaker 2: John Middlecuff, I'm gonna go watch Lions rams every Sunday
Speaker 2: at least an hour. Chop it up. Former NFL scout.
Speaker 2: His podcast is three and out. Well we got one
Speaker 2: in the books, my man.
Speaker 1: We do. And the Trojans look like a playoff team
Speaker 1: early on Colin they really I'm not I would never
Speaker 1: have said that two weeks ago, but how do you
Speaker 1: deny it? Now?
Speaker 2: You know what you notice about usc Is Danton Lynn
Speaker 2: is the defensive coordinator they went and the way they
Speaker 2: went and found like guys who had been head coaches.
Speaker 2: I mean they they literally improved on every coach and
Speaker 2: the staff. And you know what they do defensively. They
Speaker 2: don't give you any cheap stuff. They don't blow any coverages,
Speaker 2: Like half of what coaching is about. Are you lined
Speaker 2: up in the right spot in the last four or
Speaker 2: five years, you're like Jesus, we just don't have the
Speaker 2: guys in the right. I said this, a screen pass
Speaker 2: the last two years before this year, a screen pass
Speaker 2: against USC might as well have been a double reverse.
Speaker 2: They were completely flummixed by basic I mean like jet sweeps,
Speaker 2: screen passes. They were out of sorts. They're you're not
Speaker 2: going to FOOLO. Nothing you can do offensively. You can
Speaker 2: tell they're really well drilled. They play fast, they play smart,
Speaker 2: they're lined up. Sometimes I think people forget this in
Speaker 2: every industry. They're bad pilots. I mean, you know Sully
Speaker 2: Sullenberger when he landed that plane on the Hudson. Not
Speaker 2: every pilot can do that. That is a top one
Speaker 2: percent a pilot. I've had multiple doctors in my career,
Speaker 2: you know, like all of us. I've had bad agents.
Speaker 2: I've had bad attorneys. I had a bad doctor. Like
Speaker 2: just because people make a lot of money, you start
Speaker 2: looking at some of these coaches, especially at the college level, John,
Speaker 2: there are bad, bad coaches. USC had won the previous
Speaker 2: two years. I don't think they have great talent. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're defensive talents close to Georgia Ohio State.
Speaker 2: They never I've watched every snap from two games. I've
Speaker 2: yet to see them in the wrong spot.
Speaker 1: To me, what jumps out their skill guys look a
Speaker 1: lot better and I don't fall recruiting that close, So
Speaker 1: I don't know all these guys beside the one little
Speaker 1: returner who's obviously pretty darktch. But their group of wide
Speaker 1: receivers and running back they just look like a well coached,
Speaker 1: explosive unit. If they're playing Oregon this week on a
Speaker 1: neutral field, they blow them out, what would the line be?
Speaker 1: How could you give USC points? Everyone would be USC.
Speaker 1: They would beat Oregon today. I don't. We'll see how
Speaker 1: that plays out in three months. But right now they
Speaker 1: are a better team than Oregon. Who would have thought
Speaker 1: anyone would be able to say that, even if you were,
Speaker 1: like yourself, a believer and where they were headed. Think
Speaker 1: how crazy and fast that turned, I mean in fourteen days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's funny about the transfer portal.
Speaker 2: They did a really good job. They went and got
Speaker 2: two giits from Oregon State brothers LA kids. It was like,
Speaker 2: really smart, a middle linebacker and a safety, brothers the
Speaker 2: best two Oregon State defenders. They went and they used
Speaker 2: their money in the transfer portal smart smartly, they just
Speaker 2: went and got a lot of solid guys that two
Speaker 2: from UCLA, two from Oregon State players who had played
Speaker 2: together on defenses that got along. So it was like
Speaker 2: the chemistry as they brought. They weren't like four guys
Speaker 2: from forty.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a mercenary signing guys left and right.
Speaker 2: Two UCLA guys from the secondary, a couple of Mississippi
Speaker 2: State guys, a couple of Oregon State guys. So it's
Speaker 2: like the team that it's very unified. There is no superstar,
Speaker 2: no superman. You can just tell the team. You watch
Speaker 2: the sideline for USC, it's like these guys are all
Speaker 2: like we're the same high school class four years ago.
Speaker 2: They like each other.
Speaker 1: You can now they got a good they got They
Speaker 1: got a good vibe, a really good vibe.
Speaker 2: It's a very unified vibe. Good stuff on all right, buddy.
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