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Speaker 3: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty, right there?

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Speaker 2: I'm scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: If I was smart, I probably would have prefaced this

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Speaker 2: But since we are sitting in front of actual microphones

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Speaker 2: in an actual radio studio, my question is have you

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Speaker 2: seen the Howard Stern movie back like fifteen years ago

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Speaker 2: or so.

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Speaker 4: It was a lot more than fifteen, buddy, was it?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, what a ridiculous question.

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Speaker 4: Okay, private parts came out, like I want to say,

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Speaker 4: in the early nineties, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: Here's why I bring it up is because there's a

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Speaker 4: Have you seen the movie? Oh yeah, okay, just check.

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Speaker 2: There's you know, I'm sure it qualifies as revisionist history

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. He makes the NBC executives

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Speaker 2: out to be complete buffoons. All right, the guy's running

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Speaker 2: in the movie. In the movie, in fact, according to

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Speaker 2: Howard Stern, they would lead the powerpole of aneptitude.

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Speaker 4: Put it that way, nineteen ninety seven, Paul.

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Speaker 2: And so he's blowing up national radio star. His ratings

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Speaker 2: the audience research that they've fifty percent of the audience

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Speaker 2: audience hates them, and they still listen because they want

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Speaker 2: more ammunition to hate him with. Is that where we've come?

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Speaker 2: I feel like Kansas City chiefs, oh okay, because they

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Speaker 2: we gotten to that point where this nation divided? But

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Speaker 2: they're still tuning in because it's a love hate relationship

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Speaker 4: I thought for a minute there you were going to

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Speaker 4: be talking about our podcast being hate listened to, or

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Speaker 4: even your your career, Paul, I don't know if that's

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Speaker 4: how you bet your career is like to build on

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Speaker 2: I guess we know which category I fall into. And

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Speaker 2: Darren's opinion, I just how.

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Speaker 5: Can people weren't watching because they wanted to see the

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Speaker 5: is it all about Kansas City? Paul?

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Speaker 4: Well, let's let's take the quick power poll. I know

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Speaker 4: we've talked about this before. You are chief fatigued or

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Speaker 4: you were not Chief fatigue?

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Speaker 4: Sleeping you're currently sleeping on the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I need a mental health wellness day. I'm so fatigued

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Speaker 4: It is right that put that in the SONA. Please, Paul, I.

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Speaker 2: around here, Danny, we only talk.

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Speaker 5: About fatigue of the Chiefs because sitting right here with

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Speaker 5: Am, I am not. I am not quite fatigued on

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Speaker 5: the Chief's dynasty, is what you could fairly call it. Now,

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Speaker 4: So we know you you would prefer that the Eagles

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Speaker 4: but yeah, Paul wants to just jump right on it.

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Speaker 2: Well you can start with that one Danny next week.

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Speaker 5: You can actually Actually I was not a fan of props,

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Speaker 5: Aide here for you, Paul, because Bradley Cooper, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it has an actual direct application to the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: How do you beat? How do you top? How do

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Speaker 5: When I was watching the Commander's Eagles game, I text

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Speaker 2: I got my pen right here, Going ahead, we go.

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Speaker 5: A sitcom fan, Paul, how could you forget Abbot Elementary

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Speaker 5: Because if the Philadelphia Eagles win, it would all but

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Speaker 4: I forgot Paul never watched his television in his entire life.

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Speaker 2: There are two sorts of NFL fans, and only two

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine winning nine straight postseason games?

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Speaker 5: Do you think they're getting bored yet?

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Speaker 2: I really wanted to say viewers are, and then they

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Speaker 2: Do you see where Mitchell Schwartz, the former All Pro

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Speaker 2: That's not winning behavior. And that's foreshadowing what we have

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Speaker 2: Here's one. I'm guessing you guys don't follow former Dbacks

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Speaker 5: I have a hard time saying it's him being aggressive

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Speaker 4: I've said this before. It feels like that is becoming

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Speaker 5: I'm so sorry to cut you off if this is

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Speaker 5: So I do have to bring something up. And I

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Speaker 5: know you love a good conspiracy theory, Paul. We talked

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Speaker 4: That wasn't roll your eyes. That was me throwing my

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Speaker 5: So the super Bowl logo is it is red? It

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Speaker 2: So it's four years in a row. It's what you're saying. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: wears the white jersey and who wears the home uniforms?

440
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: Because the Eagles are gonna wear the Kelly green Casey.

441
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: Somewhere it was like the like twelve of the past

442
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: fifteen winners of wearing white something like that.

443
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: All right, you know what hashtag no math? Here we

444
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: go winning behavior in three two one?

445
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 4: Can you display winning behavior?

446
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: You have to consistently display winning behavior. That's winning behavior.

447
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 4: You've got to.

448
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: Define what winning behavior is and hold people to that standard.

449
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 5: Yes, well, Paul, I don't know you made an appearance

450
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 5: in that audio.

451
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: Come on, you know that. You know that's Wolf? Right?

452
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: Is that wolf? Who was that? All I know is

453
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon he espoused. Is winning behavior easier said than done,

454
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: you know? And sometimes when it's not winning behavior, you

455
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: know it's out of your control. Maybe you're trying hard,

456
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: you know, the try hard person, and can't get it done.

457
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: But there are some things that are self inflicted that

458
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: are very correctable and controllable, Like Darren, when you proofread

459
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: a story, right, what's the first thing you look for?

460
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: As someone in the print business. It happened to you

461
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: just the other day. You're watching a video, and what's

462
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: the first thing you look for?

463
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 4: Oh? Misspellings, misspelled names.

464
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 5: Mmmm.

465
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: Okay. So that brings us to the mayor of Philadelphia,

466
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: who was celebrating and started to lead a chant.

467
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: This was before the NFC Championship.

468
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it went something like this, he ow ge yes,

469
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: yes me.

470
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 5: Thus, let's go birds.

471
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: If the audience seemed a little confounded and befuddled and bewildered,

472
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: that's because they were. After she shouted out elg ses

473
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: so she then uh uh she Then she came back

474
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: with a vengeance though later and said, you know how

475
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: you spell Eagles, and then she spelled out super Bowl

476
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: and she spelled it correctly. So okay, well done. Not

477
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: bad there. Do you see the video behavior? No, it's

478
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: definitely not winning behavior. This one maybe isn't quite as

479
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: black and white. Bit of a gray area when you

480
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: see on video that went viral an Eagles fan cooking

481
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 2: a pig in a shopping cart, full blown, you know,

482
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: on like on a spit, except the spit is the

483
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: shopping cart and there's charcoal in flames underneath it.

484
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: He was on a train transporting that to his tailgate,

485
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 5: which is the best part I think that is.

486
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: Now.

487
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 5: I do think it is kind of gross if you're

488
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 5: sitting on the train and you've got like this pig carcass.

489
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 5: I can't say looking at you because the eyes are shut.

490
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 5: But that is kind of gross. I saw the picture, okay,

491
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: so I do know that, Thank you very much. But

492
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: I will say, if I'm going to and that is

493
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: the commitment that somebody is putting towards the food they

494
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 5: are making for my tailgate winning behavior.

495
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to say it's not winning behavior for everybody

496
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: who doesn't live in Philadelphia. But clearly it's a whole

497
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: different stratugy.

498
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I say that as someone who doesn't eat pork,

499
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 5: so winning behavior.

500
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: As someone who used to ride bart from Ocaland to

501
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: San Francisco every day for four years. I've seen a

502
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: lot of non winning behavior on public transportation. But that's

503
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: either neither here nor there. I'm about the Eagles fan.

504
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: Oh look up in the sky. Eagles fan atop the

505
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: light pole.

506
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 6: And does it get more Philly than this? An Eagles

507
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 6: fan in a Kelly Green Barkley Jersey climbing a pole

508
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 6: near City Hall and then someone tosses him a copy

509
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 6: of Inner Excellence and he's reading it.

510
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 5: From the pole.

511
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 6: There. You know, that's the book that Aj Brown is

512
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 6: reading on the sideline.

513
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: It's Fox Philadelphia with the read right there and yeah.

514
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: So then all of a sudden, you know, you ever

515
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: been to one in college, You ever go on those

516
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: sessions where they're reciting poetry. He's just reading from the

517
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: book and everyone's gathered around.

518
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: Of course, again Philadelphia, winning behavior is probably different than

519
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: most winning behavior. And again like it's only funny until

520
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: somebody loses an eye, Like if you're climbing up there

521
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: on a street light, okay.

522
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 5: But teamwork to help get him up there, to toss

523
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 5: the book to him, to make it a good enough throw.

524
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 5: Winning behavior in my book.

525
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: The one I saw, he made it down. Okay, so

526
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: but he lost his freedom as the police were there

527
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: ready to cough him.

528
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: Behavior by the police.

529
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: Now, the degree of difficulty by getting up the street

530
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: light when it was greased not bad.

531
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Speaker 4: Yeah so again, Spider Man, I wish, I wish I

532
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: could believe it was all organically about wanting to get

533
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 4: up on a street light and read. But unfortunately, in

534
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: this day and age of social media, I feel like

535
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: it's all performative.

536
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: Paul, I see, so look at me performance art? Can

537
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: you call it an away performance?

538
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 4: Ard?

539
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: I mean that goes back deck.

540
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: Again probably for Philadelphia, he could see, all right, we've

541
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 4: talked more about Philadelphia today.

542
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: Than You're right. Okay, you're right. Let's talk about Miami.

543
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler winning behavior.

544
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 4: I can tell you right now that's definitely not winning behavior.

545
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 4: He can't even get on the court.

546
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: So Jimmy Butler, if you're scoring at home, has been

547
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: suspended for the third time this month. And uh, like

548
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: I've been saying for weeks now. And it's funny because

549
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Brian Windhors came out and said, yeah, his price is

550
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: coming down. Imagine that because every time he gets suspended,

551
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: he's a depreciating asset. So maybe this works in the

552
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Sun's favor and they don't have to give up nearly

553
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: as much as they would have a month ago.

554
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 5: Butler walked out of shoot around because he was told

555
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 5: he wasn't going to start, so he left and got suspended.

556
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 5: Has made it clear he wants to be traded. And

557
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: I mean, at this point, I don't follow Suns or

558
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: NBA basketball close enough to know as many details as

559
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: you do, Darren, is that a future son? Is that

560
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: winning behavior for the feat?

561
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: First of all, he's not coming to Phoenix because it's

562
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: going to be it's a complicated mess. And we're not

563
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: going to get into that on this podcast, but I

564
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: will say this, it's super frustrating when you are talking

565
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: about a guy making fifty million dollars a year that

566
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 4: he can't get his act together and do his job

567
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: while he's getting paid fifty million dollars a year and

568
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: make it very clear behind the scenes that he wants

569
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: to go do something else. I'm sure that they would

570
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: probably try and figure something out if he made it

571
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 4: very clear behind the scenes. But you know, I guess

572
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: this is where we are with some of that, and

573
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: I'm just an old head and whatever. I could definitely

574
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: talk about this for a while, but let's just say

575
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: definitely not winning behavior.

576
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: We call it walking out a shoot around. The team

577
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: in an official statement called it intentionally withholding services.

578
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're going to intentionally withhold his paycheck.

579
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Exactly, So you know that works out well for both

580
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: of them.

581
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 5: Paul, how'd you feel about the Raiders hiring coach double

582
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 5: Rainbow Pete Carroll.

583
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: There's Marshawn lynch yeuting yelling out in the back of

584
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: the room. You know the whole Uh. By the way,

585
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Marshawn from one one guy to another, someone who used

586
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: to live in Oakland. Why would you celebrate the Raiders

587
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: when they left your town and left you high and dry.

588
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: Don't support the Raiders anymore. You played for the Seahawks.

589
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: Come on, now, didn't I also see the Seahawks their

590
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: Twitter account put something out congratulating coach Carroll on being

591
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 5: hired by the Raiders, which I thought was an interesting move.

592
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: Well, remember you know he didn't he didn't. You know,

593
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: weren't any untoward happenings there.

594
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: But two years ago?

595
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: Sure, exactly, But yes, to me, I still think that

596
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: there's an unrealized rivalry between the Arizona Cardinals in Las

597
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 2: Vegas Raiders. I do believe they should play every preseason

598
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: at the least Vegas and Phoenix. Let's get the rivalry

599
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: going to some degree.

600
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: Let's just make a trade. We'll trade the Rams to

601
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: the AFC West and bring the Raiders into the NFC West,

602
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: and then then then the Rams and then the Raiders

603
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: can play the Seahawks, and then they can have this

604
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: rivalry with the Cardinals.

605
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 5: Where where are the Raiders picking the draft? Because now

606
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: and now you got Tom Brady the quarterbacks? Are they

607
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: going to take a quarterback by the way real quick.

608
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: I like that concept. Can we swap out Seattle for

609
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: the rams because Seattle used to be in the AFC?

610
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: Send Seattle battles we visit?

611
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: No, really, where would you rather visit?

612
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm all about the shorter plane rides. See, then you'd

613
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: be closer proximity to California teams and then Vegas.

614
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: That that'd be I don't want to lose it. We

615
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: already lost the Bay Area basically because we have to

616
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: go to freaking Santa Clara.

617
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: I can't sit here with a straight face and tell you.

618
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 5: We'll say at least the Raiders at Allegiance Stadium. They

619
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 5: have full sized candy bars in the press box to

620
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 5: that as a plus?

621
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Speaker 2: Would you like to give a quick powerpole the press box? Fair?

622
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: And I could if you really wanted. Not right now,

623
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 5: I have any time to prep I mean I pretty

624
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 5: much do that. Darren on the sit next to Darren anyway,

625
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: he already gets that. Earfol we're gonna go with.

626
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: That'll be a future winning behavior.

627
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: This is an honest question. The Pro Bowl games are

628
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: where now? Where are the Fort Lauderdale's in Orlando?

629
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: Where is Laderdale?

630
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Where'd you get maybe Kyle Van and Bosh went to

631
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl in Fort Lauderdale. We were talking about

632
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: that earlier today. I got a look at that's what

633
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: he said.

634
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: I'm thinking he for He's mistaken. Really okay, I didn't

635
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: know there was one for Lauderdale ever.

636
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: So speaking of power Poles, yes, we're on the Red

637
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: Sea Report. And I said, you know what if you

638
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: had to pick just two players in this current roster

639
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: and go through one of these Pro Bowl games, like

640
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: all these you know, dodgeball, whatever else they're creating, just

641
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: just general athleticism.

642
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: The general athleticism, just you know.

643
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Two best athletes who you know, any kind of school

644
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: yard games or whatever.

645
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: You know what.

646
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm going with Trey McBride, Trey mcplay, and I'm going

647
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: with Buddha Baker. And then I realized, no, wait a minute,

648
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray was drafted ninth overall in the Major League

649
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: Baseball draft. So give me your top three, give me

650
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: your top five best all athletes on this team.

651
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: Just here.

652
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: Athleticism can play any sport you know, at any time.

653
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: Can we include Trey McBride and the Baker since.

654
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: They are going to the program, what would be your

655
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: top three?

656
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: Top three? The top top five, top.

657
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: Five, give me top five, im flexible.

658
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 5: I would include McBride and Baker. Okay, I would include

659
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray.

660
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

661
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Speaker 5: I gotta think about this now. I gotta think through

662
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Speaker 5: the roster in my head.

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Speaker 2: I threw out there. Yep, that's bad. I threw out

664
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Speaker 2: there Sean Murphy bunting like he was a three sports

665
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: star in high school and that's why he was you know,

666
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Speaker 2: he ended up going to Central Michigan because he's under

667
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Speaker 2: the radar.

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Speaker 5: What about what about like mac Wilson senior MTY athletics.

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Speaker 4: Right, well, here we go. Let me go over what

670
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: we're talking about here. So maybe this will clarify something.

671
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Speaker 4: There's obviously the Flag Football Game on Sunday, and then

672
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Speaker 4: there's four skills competitions that day, whatever the heck, the

673
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Speaker 4: EA Sports Mad and NFL twenty five Challenges. I'm assuming

674
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Speaker 4: it's actually playing the video game, so there's some of that.

675
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Speaker 4: So punt Perfect, the Great Football Race, and Tug of War,

676
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Speaker 4: those are happening. I think the Great Football Race is

677
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Speaker 4: one where they're like doing sleds and like blocking sleds

678
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Speaker 4: and they got to push one of their teammates or

679
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: something like that, and then on Thursday the skill competitions

680
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Speaker 4: are passing the test, which I'm assuming is passing satisfying.

681
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: Catches have no idea what that is. The big spike

682
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: really have no idea what that is. But I'm guessing

683
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Speaker 4: Trey McBride would be good at it. Relay race, helmet harmony,

684
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Speaker 4: and dodgeball. See I'm reading the story and says, if

685
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: you want an know what's going on, here's what's happening.

686
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: But then they just name him, and that's like, doesn't

687
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Speaker 4: explain what it would be.

688
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Speaker 2: It's just that's not helpful.

689
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Speaker 5: But I do think Darius Robinson is athletic, and Michael

690
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Speaker 5: Wilson is the name. We haven't met you too, I

691
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Speaker 5: think would be pretty good at whatever those games are.

692
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Speaker 2: Yeah, kom all right.

693
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Speaker 4: I mean, let's face it, there's probably a lot of

694
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Speaker 4: guys in that locker room who would be pretty good

695
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: at it, you know, except for maybe.

696
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 5: Well Trey Benson. Yeah, think about his combine last year.

697
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Speaker 2: If he asked Jonathan Gannon, he would be included in

698
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: there too.

699
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: No, he wouldn't know because he'll say, I hurt my hip.

700
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Speaker 4: I can't do those things.

701
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: See, if you're Trey McBride, and you're going to the

702
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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, which you are for the very first time.

703
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Speaker 2: Which player do you think And I should have asked

704
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Speaker 2: him this before he was gone for the offseason, which

705
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Speaker 2: player do you think he's gonna most look forward to

706
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: interacting with? Wolf tells the famous story his first Pro

707
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Speaker 2: Bowl as locker was next to Walter Payton.

708
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Speaker 4: Didn't you tell a story Aboutlawrence Taylor to at the

709
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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl? Yeah?

710
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Speaker 2: There was an LT story in that one as well.

711
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Speaker 2: But you know, here you are, your first Pro Bowl.

712
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: You walk into that locker room and you probably take

713
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Speaker 2: a moment and just gaze at all the names, all

714
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: the name placards above those lockers. And I mean, if

715
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Speaker 2: there's one guy Trey McBride, you know, because they have

716
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Speaker 2: to the NFC. Yeah, they have tight end you. Well, no,

717
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 2: it's not gonna it's not those guys. It's somebody who.

718
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Speaker 4: Doesn't interact with very much, you know who's in the

719
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Speaker 4: NFC that is, like, but are any of these guys

720
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Speaker 4: like longtime stars anymore?

721
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.

722
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Speaker 4: I try and make those once in a while.

723
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, you know what saved that for next week?

724
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Speaker 4: Okay?

725
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if you're NFC defense, I mean he

726
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 5: sees Nick Bosa, but Michael Parsons, he's on the roster.

727
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Speaker 4: See, I'd be to me the way Paul framed that,

728
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Speaker 4: it would have to be somebody who's been around for

729
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: a while. Like, I don't know if Michael Parsons fits that.

730
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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons is like a year older than Trey McBride, right,

731
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Speaker 4: something like that. Yeah, there's not a Jerry Rice. There's

732
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Speaker 4: not a Walter Payton. There's not a Rod Woodson, you know,

733
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Speaker 4: somebody like that. Yeah, well, maybe maybe there is, but

734
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Speaker 4: I'm not thinking of.

735
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Speaker 5: Mike Evans might be the most tenured.

736
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Speaker 4: Mike Evans might be someone. But with all due respect

737
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Speaker 4: to Mike Evans, who is a fantastic player and one

738
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: of the more underrated players in this league. Are you

739
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: are you melting down if you happen to run into him?

740
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Speaker 4: I like nothing Evans, But it's not emmittt. Smith. It's

741
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Speaker 4: not Joe Montana.

742
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Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of a standout edge rushers, do

743
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: you see where Earlier today, Cleveland GM Andrew Berry said

744
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl that he would not listen to

745
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: any offers for Miles.

746
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Speaker 4: Garrett, Miles. Garrett's not getting traded. Max Crosby's not getting traded.

747
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: Let's all move on.

748
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Come on, that's no fun.

749
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Speaker 4: You know, I know it's no fun, but it's that's

750
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Speaker 4: what's happening.

751
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Speaker 2: If you're going to extinguish the trade rumors, at least

752
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: give us the off season to speculate about it. You do,

753
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: you have to do it in January.

754
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

755
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: As soon as coach Double Rainbow got hired, Max Crosby

756
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: was off the market.

757
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 5: Mac Wilson Senior was trying pretty hard to recruit Max

758
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Speaker 5: Crosby on Twitter when Max Crosby, let me get this out,

759
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Speaker 5: Yeah that, Max Crosby tweeted, let me see. He tweeted saying,

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Speaker 5: quote undisputed. They will wish they treated you better when

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Speaker 5: times were tough. The fake always exposed themselves hashtag limitless,

762
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Speaker 5: and Wilson Senior quote tweeted this and said you'll look great,

763
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Speaker 5: and Cardinal read and then George Kittle chimed in and

764
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Speaker 5: said that Mac was lying because obviously it doesn't want

765
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Speaker 5: to see Max Crosby play in the division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right, So that brings us to b

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Speaker 2: j Ojelai if we go to Azycardinals dot com, Darren,

768
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: there's there's an update of sorts. I'm Bjojelori.

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Speaker 4: What may about as updated as you're going to get.

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Speaker 4: Just I talked to him near the end of the

771
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Speaker 4: season and finally got a chance to write it, and

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Speaker 4: you know, he's he's in a good place. He feels

773
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Speaker 4: like he might even be a little bit ahead of schedule.

774
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Speaker 4: Although when you tried to pin him down over whether

775
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: he might be back for the some offseason stuff, he

776
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: backed off that pretty quick, and he's like, that's up

777
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Speaker 4: that we'll see where we are when we're there, and

778
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: that's up to doctors and other people. We'll see how

779
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: I feel. But I do think he's going to be back.

780
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Speaker 4: The question then becomes, what are you expecting for b

781
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Speaker 4: Joe Jilari this year, assuming he is healthy going into

782
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Speaker 4: training camp or soon after training camp starts, and how

783
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Speaker 4: does that fit into whatever other plan you might have

784
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Speaker 4: for Edge Rusher, especially assuming people like Max Crosby and

785
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Speaker 4: Miles Garrett are not on the market, which I don't

786
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Speaker 4: expect them.

787
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Speaker 2: To be, because really he played half his rookie year. Correct,

788
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: how many games did he plays rookieyear? Sorry to put

789
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Speaker 2: you on this.

790
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Speaker 4: I think I think it was more than half. It wasn't.

791
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: He did deal with a hamstring thing and then he

792
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: had to have knee surgery a minor knee thing, so

793
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: he was kind of delayed out of the box. When

794
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: he finally got out there, he flashed. I do think

795
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: he played more than half the season, and they were

796
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: obviously very high on what he was able to do

797
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Speaker 4: when they were coming into this season. And then he

798
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Speaker 4: tours acl in practice, which happens. It's funny. There's a

799
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Speaker 4: mail bag question this week where people were saying, last

800
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Speaker 4: year Mani Asenfort focused his free agency search on guys

801
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: that were always healthy, and then all those guys got hurt,

802
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: and would that change what his mind was? And the

803
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: guy brought up a couple of names that could be

804
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: free agents. One was a defensive end and one was

805
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 4: a guard, and like, would he maybe consider these guys

806
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Speaker 4: even though they suffered fairly major injuries this year because

807
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Speaker 4: they hadn't been hurt before mighty change his mind? And look,

808
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 4: I will never forget Corey Redding. After Corey Peters tore

809
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: his achilles or whatever he did in training camp practice

810
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Speaker 4: and they brought in Corey Redding, who was a veteran

811
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Speaker 4: defensive tackle at the time. It was right before the

812
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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen season started, and obviously that turned out to

813
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: be a very good year for the Cardinals. Yep. And

814
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 4: Corey Redding was kind of brought in as like the

815
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Speaker 4: sage veteran to talk to the me about this injury.

816
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Speaker 4: And I'll never forget his face, and it was just

817
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: very matter of fact. He goes, Guys, he goes. If

818
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 4: you play in the NFL, it's not a question of

819
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: if you're gonna get hurt, it's a question of when.

820
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Speaker 4: And that's what I always think about. Whenever guys get hurt.

821
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Speaker 5: It's gonna be a big question mark as we get

822
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Speaker 5: throughout the off season in a couple months closer to

823
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Speaker 5: training camp, because right before a Jelai got hurt last year,

824
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 5: he was getting reps with the starters opposite of Zave

825
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 5: and Collins. So you have to make sure that there

826
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Speaker 5: isn't a fall off there, and then you have to

827
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Speaker 5: tim Brady sort of expectations of understanding he just went

828
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Speaker 5: an entire year of not playing football, so that's gonna

829
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Speaker 5: have to be taken into account. And now you're having

830
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Speaker 5: to also start looking at whatever the expected moves are

831
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Speaker 5: going to be made this offseason in that outside linebackers room.

832
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 5: Dennis Gardak somebody else who's coming off a knee injury

833
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Speaker 5: that took him out for most of the season, is

834
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Speaker 5: a pending free agent. What do you want to do

835
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Speaker 5: with players like Julian o'quara, What did you see from

836
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Speaker 5: rookies Thomas and what is an expected jump from year

837
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: one to year two. I expect that position room to

838
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 5: be something that is addressed, whether that is through the

839
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Speaker 5: draft or you're looking in free agency, because that is

840
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 5: a pretty young and inexperienced room, and I do think

841
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 5: that is in a room that would value from experience there.

842
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 5: So when you're talking about Ojilari, he was putting off

843
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 5: some really nice things on tape before he got hurt

844
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 5: last year. So you just have to hope that you

845
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 5: see a continuation from there as opposed to any sort

846
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 5: of falloff. And I really do think when we're talking

847
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 5: about what we expect to see from him next season,

848
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 5: I think you really can't say until you get closer

849
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 5: to that point, because I do think that's going to

850
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 5: be a position that is addressed in the offseason.

851
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question because in part, you

852
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: have the option to not make a lot of moves

853
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 4: with your current roster and clear a lot of space

854
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: if that's what you choose to do. Danny mentioned Dennis

855
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: Gardock is a free agent, Baron Browning is a free agent.

856
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: I think Okuara is a free agent. Jesse Luketta is

857
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 4: a free agent. I mean, there's a lot of guys

858
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: on that list that if you want to bring them back,

859
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: you have work to do to get them back under contract.

860
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean they won't be but you have some

861
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: leeway in terms of if we want to have spots

862
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: in that room, then they're there.

863
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: And look, we've talked about it, you know, is there

864
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: any way you can go from seventeen different players with

865
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: one sack a piece to one player with seventeen sacks?

866
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: And to Darren's point that he will make repeatedly and

867
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Speaker 2: with justification, that guy ain't gonna be available in the offseason,

868
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Speaker 2: either via trade or free agency. So you're looking at

869
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Speaker 2: number sixteen overall. To me, that's your chance at getting

870
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: the premier pass rusher. And there a lot of people say, well,

871
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: maybe that's too low to no. Jared Burse came out

872
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: of nineteen a year ago, so it is doable, it

873
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: is feasible, It is possible. Is that where the Cardinals

874
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Speaker 2: go at sixteen? Overall? We'll see if there's a dominant

875
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: interior defensive lineman there, I wouldn't be at sixteen. Look

876
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl right now, Chris Jones, Jalen Carter

877
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: to me, that's where those defenses.

878
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: Start, right, But Chris Jones a little different. I mean,

879
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter is a top ten pick. I believe he

880
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: was a top ten pick. I'm pretty sure he was.

881
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: The true game wreckers are probably not going to be

882
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: their sixteen. Now. I know you mentioned Jared Verse, but

883
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: there were a little bit of questions about him. And

884
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: as great as Jared Verse was, which I would kill

885
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: to have Jared Verse on this defense, it's not like

886
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: he had fifteen sacks this year. So again, what are

887
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: you trying to get out of it? You want a disruptor,

888
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: you want a guy who prushes a quarterback. That's Jared Verse.

889
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily translate into twelve or fifteen sacks a year,

890
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: per se. The other thing I noticed, bigger picture, when

891
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: you're talking about those things. I've now seen a couple

892
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: of mentions that at this point, and we've got a

893
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 4: long way in the draft process, at this point, a

894
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: lot of teams only see ten guys that deserve first

895
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: round grades, twelve guides that deserve first round grades. Now

896
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean there won't be thirty two first round picks.

897
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: There will be. But when we talk about teams with

898
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: first round grades on these guys, that means if you're picking,

899
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: and you're the vast majority of these guys, even if

900
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: you're taking in the first round, you better not be

901
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: holding your breath that they're gonna be some kind of

902
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: next level superstar right out of the box, because that's

903
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 4: not how they are being seen. And I've seen that

904
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: about the edge guys in particular. I saw somebody say

905
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: the other day, there's some decent edge guys, but there aren't.

906
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 4: That guy isn't in this draft probably and might not

907
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: be there at sixteen, like the guys you're gonna take

908
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: at sixteen. In another kind of draft, you maybe feel

909
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 4: more comfortable taking them at twenty five. So we'll we'll

910
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: see what happens.

911
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: And you don't have the luxury of four or five

912
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: even six first round quarterbacks this year. Either that are

913
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: going to push position players down the board in front

914
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: of you. So that's not ideal.

915
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: I know both.

916
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: You know, mel Kiper and Daniel Jeremiah come out with

917
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: their mock drafts one point zero. For what it's worth,

918
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: you had Daniel Jeremiah getting the edge from Georgia Jalen Walker,

919
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: little undersize six two two forty five, more of a speed,

920
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: athletic guy going to the Cardinals at number sixteen. So

921
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: there you go, there's your first mock right out of

922
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: the gate. And when I see him, I think of

923
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith of the Philadelphia Eagles, who's had a heck

924
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: of a postseason. He's been a real nuisance with his

925
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: athleticism off the edge. So I'm curious what that's what

926
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: that brings the rest of this offseason? How many different

927
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: names are attached to the Cardinals. Mel Kiper had a

928
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: guard out of Alabama going to the Cardinals, so you

929
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: could easily see either position, interior, offensive line, defensive line.

930
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: I will say this, and I said this to Craig

931
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: Uncovered two. Barring what might happen in free agency, I

932
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: will be stunned if that first pick isn't alignment on

933
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: one side of the ball or the other. Maybe an

934
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: edge guy, which I guess is on the precipice of

935
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: being I mean, you could make the argument that's not

936
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: necessarily the line, but it's gonna be one of those

937
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 4: three spots. I would think.

938
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: Right last year, first round, obviously number four overall, they

939
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: took Marvin Harrison Junior. I know at Ezycardinals dot Com

940
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: you did a little comparison with Marvin Harrison Senior. The

941
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: numbers are remarkable from one rookie season from father to son,

942
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: like same number of targets they had his rookies. I

943
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: always think of Marvin Harrison's seniors playing with Peyton Manning

944
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: the entirety of his career. But as you point out, no,

945
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: he had Jim Harbaugh is rookie year, he is senior.

946
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 4: I mean Peyton Manning didn't show up until what ninety eight,

947
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 4: so Harrison was that was his third year. So yeah, yeah,

948
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh was throwing the yeah, throwing the ball.

949
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: The Jim Harbaugh has like three offseason surgery scheduled, by

950
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: the way, so all the best of the Chargers head coach.

951
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: He's still doing with injuries from his play. You said,

952
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: there's somebody listened the other day literally three different inch.

953
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he's throwing the ball with see

954
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, You know with the Raiders. If you're gonna

955
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: warm up before the game for a good half hour

956
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: throwing the football, be very careful. Things start to you know,

957
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: break and blow out of.

958
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: Your shoulder at that age, what is Pete Carroll seventy three?

959
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: Seventy three?

960
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I will be feeling pretty good about myself if

961
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: I can act and move around like that at seventy three.

962
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 5: These are the numbers that Darren putt in his story.

963
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 5: So Marvin Harrison Senior sixty four receptions on one hundred

964
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: and eighteen targets over sixteen games his rookie season for

965
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 5: eight hundred and thirty six yards and eight touchdowns. Kah

966
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 5: in one more game from Marvin Harrison Junior, although Darren

967
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 5: did mention briefly played in Green Bay because of a concussion,

968
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 5: sixty two receptions on one hundred and eighteen targets, eight

969
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty five yards, eight touchdowns, almost identical across

970
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 5: the board, and then Senior went on to become a

971
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 5: Hall of fame receiver and you know what, you know what.

972
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: The best news to me going into the offseason with

973
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior is he did not call it a success. Yes,

974
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: specifically asked in his last media session about the success

975
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: of his rookie year and he said, no, I wouldn't

976
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: call it a success. Now, he didn't call it a failure.

977
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't a failure. But then to hear Kyler Murray

978
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: at the very end of the season say, you know what,

979
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: it can be better, it should be better, it will

980
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: be better. Jonathan Gannon even saying, you know what, Yeah,

981
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: there's room to maximize more of his game and his potential.

982
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: So all three of those guys have the same mindset

983
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: going into year two.

984
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: Here's what I want to ask you to this question.

985
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: I got this in the mailbag of this week. It

986
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: was a general question over if I thought if there

987
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: was anybody who underperformed player wise this year for the Cardinals,

988
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: But with Marvin specifically, do you think do you think

989
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: A he underperformed and B do you think he thinks

990
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 4: he underperformed?

991
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 5: That's hard to answer. The second question of whatever his

992
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 5: own expectations were and what he was told was expected

993
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 5: of him. I do not think that Marvin Harrison Junior

994
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 5: underperformed in his rookie years.

995
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

996
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 5: I do think that you saw good things and the

997
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 5: numbers that we were just talking about, and I also

998
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: think you saw with the eye test you saw as

999
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 5: the season went on, he got more comfortable, things started

1000
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 5: to slow down for him a bit, and then the

1001
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 5: trust was building with his quarterback in those crunch time moments.

1002
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 5: Looking for your number one receiver, you need more consistency.

1003
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: Though.

1004
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 5: There were too many times where Harrison would have a

1005
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 5: great game and then be silent for the next couple

1006
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 5: of games, or he would pop off in the first

1007
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 5: quarter and not get another target until late in the

1008
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 5: four And that's a combination of what the defense is

1009
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 5: showing you and what is your quarterback is seeing the

1010
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 5: plays being called, all of those things. If you're a

1011
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 5: drafted fourth overall and you're gonna come in and you're

1012
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 5: gonna be a number one receiver, you have to be

1013
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 5: a threat as a number one receiver at all times

1014
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 5: in the game. And I don't think that was consistent

1015
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 5: enough throughout the season. That will come with time, That

1016
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 5: will come with confidence, and that's what is the expected

1017
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 5: jump from year one to year two, which is what

1018
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 5: wide receivers coach Drew Trell talked about with the meeting

1019
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 5: near the end of the season of wanting to see

1020
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 5: that jump from the confidence of Marvin Harrison Junior being like,

1021
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm here, I know I'm good enough

1022
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 5: to be here. I'm gonna go prove it to you.

1023
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 5: And I think that's what's going to be worked on

1024
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 5: in this offseason. I don't think he underperformed. I think

1025
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 5: it is still fair to say that to come in

1026
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 5: as the number one receiver, as the fourth overall pick,

1027
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 5: it was not consistent enough.

1028
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was interesting Drewterroll, And you have the

1029
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: quote in your story and it's a good reminder where

1030
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: he said, you know what, I tell all the receivers, Hey,

1031
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: they're defending us. Yeah, we dictate to them. And so

1032
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: I think if there is one big takeaway that Marvin

1033
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior can bring into his second season, yes, maybe

1034
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: it is more that that aggression and you're here to

1035
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: defend me. I'm not reacting to what you do. It's

1036
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: vice versa. But to answer your question, I would go

1037
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: with option B, where you said, do you think that

1038
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: Marvin thinks he didn't fulfill expectations based on it, and

1039
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: we all stood there and listened to him in front

1040
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: of his locker every single week. Yeah, I think he

1041
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: thinks he was going to have a more productive rookie season.

1042
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 4: I would agree with that. I would agree with that,

1043
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: although again, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

1044
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you could think he underperformed and he could

1045
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: think he don't. I just I struggle. I struggle a

1046
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: little bit. I've been doing this a long time, so

1047
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 4: when you start talking about expectations, I think of things

1048
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: as a whole and to me ultimately, and people can

1049
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: argue with me and that's fine. And heck, the players

1050
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: or Jonathan Ganna can argue with me, and that's fine.

1051
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 4: I this team ended up with a record right about

1052
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: where I thought it was going to be when the

1053
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 4: season started, and the players did about what I expected

1054
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 4: them individually before the season started. The ones that give

1055
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 4: me pause, like Darius Robinson, I was thinking, might do

1056
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 4: a little bit more, but the injury. The injury changed everything.

1057
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 4: And you know, one of the things we don't even

1058
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 4: talk about, like he literally didn't do a full practice

1059
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 4: all year, like even though he came back and played

1060
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 4: the last six seven games whatever it was, he was

1061
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 4: literally limited in practice every day the entirety of the

1062
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: season that he even practiced. So it's hard for me

1063
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: to say while you underperform, he was hurt so now

1064
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: and I.

1065
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: Would say at the very end of the year, there

1066
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: were a few comments where if you read between the lines,

1067
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 2: he was still not one hundred percent.

1068
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I just I'm not a you

1069
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 4: are who you are, Like it's the Cardinals don't have people.

1070
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: I mean, people want to talk about Kyler and he

1071
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 4: talked about wanting to be more consistent, but in reality,

1072
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: for me, like he played like he did before he

1073
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 4: got hurt, which is he's good a lot of the

1074
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: time and there's other times where you're wishing he was

1075
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: more consistent. He hasn't gotten to that level where you're

1076
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: thinking he's going to be super awesome all the time.

1077
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: So why, you know that is the big question for

1078
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray. I think has he hit his ceiling? Is

1079
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: there another level? Are you going to see it in

1080
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five? As for Marvin Harrison Junior, I'll make

1081
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: three quick points and you guys stop me. If you

1082
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: disagree or you want to add to anything. Had a

1083
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: chance the last two weeks to interview Frank Sanders, former

1084
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: Cardinals receiving great right. It was number three all time

1085
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 2: Cardinals rookie season in terms of yards receiving, right behind

1086
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior and then and then Roy jetstream Green

1087
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: last week, and they both said a couple of things.

1088
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Speaker 2: Number One, in hindsight, they would have liked to have

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00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: seen Marvin Rrison Junior play in the preseason to get

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Speaker 2: more acclimated for the regular season. Marvin Errison Junior mentioned

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Speaker 2: as much at his locker early in the regular season.

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Speaker 4: Old guys tend to say guys should play in the preseason.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 2: Frank made a point that when he was a rookie,

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Speaker 2: he had Rob Moore as his number one receiver. True,

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Speaker 2: when Larry was a rookie at ankwon Bolden coming off

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Speaker 2: a Rookie of the Year campaign. So Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 2: was wide receiver one from day one. So he got

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Speaker 2: everyone's best corner. You know, he got the utmost attention

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Speaker 2: for every defensive coordinator. Here's the other thing, this is

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Speaker 2: just me. If you go after the Rams game week

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Speaker 2: seventeen going into the finale, and Marvin had a really

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Speaker 2: good game, remember at LA, and he said, I had

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Speaker 2: some different routes that I got to run against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: This is in the media. And then you had Drew

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Speaker 2: Petzen say, you know he wait, he won some one

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Speaker 2: on ones. He played fast, he played violently, he played aggressive.

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Speaker 2: Kyler mentioned, you know, we put him in position to win. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so maybe different things at different times. And I bring

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Speaker 2: that up because it was Baker Mayfield who said recently

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Speaker 2: and they had to replace their offensive coordinator obviously with

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Speaker 2: mister Duval himself going don to Jacksonville. Baker Mayfield said

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Speaker 2: that good offenses run plays that cater two players strengths.

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Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, I know that sounds simple. Not

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Speaker 2: every offense does that effectively. So do you think as

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Speaker 2: the season went on, the Cardinals did a better job

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Speaker 2: of realizing what his strengths were, what the best plays were,

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Speaker 2: what the best routes were, how to dial up Marvin

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Speaker 2: Rrison Junior as the season went on. And maybe some

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Speaker 2: of that was mitigated, you know, because you didn't play

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Speaker 2: in the preseason. Although I get it, everything's vanilla and

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Speaker 2: he probably wouldn't have been playing with Kyler anyway. But

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Speaker 2: it does make me think, Okay, now they have a

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Speaker 2: real true handle on the best way to util in

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Speaker 2: what place to call in year two.

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Speaker 5: That's fair. I think about using Harrison across the middle

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Speaker 5: and in Miami in the middle of the season and

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Speaker 5: then didn't see that again for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: So that's the question mark. That's the hesitancy there of

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Speaker 5: if you did see that work, are you not doing

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 5: that on a more consistent basis because that's not what

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Speaker 5: you want from your offense because that's not what the

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Speaker 5: defense is showing you because the receiver of the quarterback

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00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 5: doesn't like that. That's the hesitancy there of, Yeah, you

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Speaker 5: want to say, okay, something's working. You want to keep

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Speaker 5: that up. But that was really just the last two

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00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 5: weeks of the season. Again, you're talking about the inconsistency

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Speaker 5: on a week to week basis. It wasn't until the

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Speaker 5: last two games of the regular season where Harrison eclipsed

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Speaker 5: fifty yards receiving on a back to back basis, And.

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Speaker 2: What are most rookies inconsistent?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Which is a fair Yes, it's absolutely fair to consider

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Speaker 5: when you're looking at the year Harrison had so anyway.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was to come full circle back to

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00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: Darren's story, and it was really interesting to point out

1147
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: and and just see, Okay, Marvin Rson junior versus senior

1148
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: year one to year two. We'll see how that unfolds

1149
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: and elapses. What else do we miss here? Anything else?

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Speaker 2: Some type of way speaking of the off season in

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Speaker 2: the beginning here Darren, do you want to explain exactly

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00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,479
Speaker 2: what you mean by that by.

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Speaker 4: Some type of way? Well, this is this is something

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Speaker 4: else that we would like to kind of throw in there.

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Speaker 4: We don't have any cool like opening. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure as a producer, you'll be all over that. Paul,

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: at some point you'll put something together. But I think, uh,

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: feeling some type of way and talking about certain things,

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna bring that up, hopefully on a

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Speaker 4: weekly basis. We'll find out what happens. I know everybody's

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Speaker 4: missing something that's right. If we're not feeling some sort

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00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 4: of way, then we're not. And that's just how it is.

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Speaker 4: But I needed to bring this up as we get

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Speaker 4: to the end of January. I have done dry January.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you have ever taken part in

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00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 4: the past. No, I've this this month. And let me

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00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: tell you something, there's been a couple of moments where

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Speaker 4: I'm been sorely tested on that big time.

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Speaker 2: See, it's not feasible for me because I go to

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Speaker 2: Barret Jackson the car Show. It's just not going to work.

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Speaker 2: So I can I pick a different month.

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Speaker 4: You can do whatever you want, okay, And well, see

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Speaker 4: here's the twist. At my house, I did dry January

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Speaker 4: for like alcohol, Not that I'm a huge drink or

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Speaker 4: anything like that, but you know, on the weekend, it'd

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Speaker 4: be nice to have a beer or a mixed drink

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Speaker 4: of some sort, especially when again, certain things come up

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: and you really really were wishing you could just have

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Speaker 4: a beverage like that, which I will not bring up

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Speaker 4: on the air because that would not be fair to

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Speaker 4: the people that I would be talking about. However, my

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: wife did a different kind of dry January because she

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Speaker 4: definitely she drinks very little. Anyways, she chose to do

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Speaker 4: dry January for Amazon Shopping, and I will give her credit.

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Speaker 4: She has not which coming off of December and Christmas

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Speaker 4: where it was like a house of fire, I've been

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Speaker 4: very impressed she's been able to avoid that.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited to see what February looks like for your

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Speaker 5: Amazon purchase.

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Speaker 4: Would you be able to do that? There, Danny, which

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Speaker 4: one either one? And what would be easier for you

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Speaker 4: to do?

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing, it's I mean both. I also I

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Speaker 5: live but like, look, I live alone, Like I don't

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Speaker 5: have kids, right Like, I'm sure that comes into play

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Speaker 5: if you guys wanting to get stuff for your house

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Speaker 5: or anything like that, Like my kids are out of

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Speaker 5: the house, okay, but still like getting stuff for them

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Speaker 5: or whatever that might be. Yeah, Dry January. I'm not

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Speaker 5: a big drinker, I will say I do think that

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Speaker 5: would be tough in social settings of if we go

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Speaker 5: out to dinner and you want to get a bottle

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Speaker 5: of wine or whatever that might be. Although I'm not

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Speaker 5: a big enough drinker to where it's like, holy smokes,

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Speaker 5: Dry January really opened up my eyes.

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Speaker 2: You're no clue, Heywood, No, okay, go ahead, yes?

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Speaker 5: So did you like dry January?

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Speaker 4: Again? Most of the time? I was fine?

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: Again, there is you learn something about yourself, as many

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Speaker 5: people hope to do.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: See, here's here's how I feel feeling so kind of

1213
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Speaker 4: way about something. For me, it's it's the it's the

1214
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Speaker 4: ability to do something, to accomplish something, even if it's

1215
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Speaker 4: a in the absence of in this case, taking any alcohol.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's the challenge of saying I'm gonna do

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Speaker 4: this no matter what. I like to have tasks like

1218
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Speaker 4: that so I can say hell, yeah, I can do

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Speaker 4: that now. Again, that is what it is. Just like

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna run and Pats Run in April. That's something

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Speaker 4: I like to try and accomplish in a certain amount

1222
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Speaker 4: of time. Although as we talked about earlier in Pete

1223
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 4: Carroll being in great shape, I'm realizing as I'm trying

1224
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Speaker 4: to do a little bit of training for Pats Run,

1225
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Speaker 4: is my knees aren't going to have That's that's not

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Speaker 4: gonna be a forever thing for me. We're coming to

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Speaker 4: the end of the Pats runs for Darren Urban. But

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Speaker 4: I it's something to accomplish. That's the main reason I

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01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 4: would do it. I'm not really sure why my wife

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Speaker 4: did it, but I again proud of her.

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Speaker 2: Ar Okay, so can I get the clip where you

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Speaker 2: explained about how you know there was dry amazon on

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Speaker 2: because I need that at Costa CALVICI Okay, in best practices,

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Speaker 2: we need to implement that.

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Speaker 4: Do you think your your your wife would be willing

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Speaker 4: to do that?

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Speaker 2: Most definitely not, but maybe you know somehow it can

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Speaker 2: be instituted in some way.

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Speaker 5: I gotta say I would put down Big Bucks as

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Speaker 5: somebody who's not allowed to bet that whatever the number

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 5: of Amazon packages comes to your houses combined is not

1242
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 5: even remotely close to the amount of Amazon packages that

1243
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 5: go to my house, and not because of my mom,

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 5: because your dad addicted to Amazon.

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised you're bringing up your dad. We never talked

1246
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: about it.

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01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 5: I know he's a loyal listener. He won't appreciate that,

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01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 5: but maybe maybe he'll be inspired for dry Amazon February.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there's your challenge, Brian. I know Amazon for a month, baby, I'd.

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Speaker 2: Settle for dry Cheeto, no more items for the dog.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'd settle for at this point. And that'll

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Speaker 2: do it. For This edition of Cardinals, un and Ground

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