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Speaker 1: So we were having a very nuanced conversation and you

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Speaker 4: Sure, I think the hardest thing is that oftentimes when

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if this is like this certain

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Speaker 4: That's the reason why they've won seven Olympic gold medal straight.

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Speaker 4: this is a move for business. The business that they

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I do.

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Speaker 4: Now, there are some areas that I am concerned about.

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Speaker 4: because you know what, it's hilarious, hious, And everyone woke

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Speaker 2: You should.

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Speaker 4: This is how my sister felt as the only MVP

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Speaker 5: It was heartbreaking, it was devastating. And y'all have blood

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Speaker 4: I understand that Caitlyn has the eyeballs that no player

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Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that my circumstance or my sister's

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Speaker 4: To which we assemble rosters to go win Olympic goal.

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Speaker 5: People are like, oh, you don't know what's good for you.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she has much choice.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing is she was always going to

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Speaker 4: Now, No, you know what's crazy because the conversation was

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Speaker 5: Now, we don't know about marketing.

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Speaker 4: We've been shaking down the roof to try to get

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Speaker 4: We want people to see us as the badass female athletes.

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Speaker 5: That we are. But now it's like, oh, you guys

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Speaker 4: We've been fighting to be ourselves for so long and

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Speaker 4: is that some people have come in just through the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 5: That's the frustrating part.

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Speaker 4: But we accept it because we understand that growth is necessary,

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Speaker 6: And the funny thing when I think about it, obviously

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Speaker 7: I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying the trash.

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Speaker 5: How are the vibes in Atlanta? Tell me, huh, how

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Speaker 6: Listen, I've never been to the club. I haven't been

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Speaker 6: that's what the Dream Game was like. But on top

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Speaker 6: Game was exciting on the court. Forget what was going

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Speaker 5: Wait, this is Nightmare break.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of people see me on air and

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Speaker 5: People don't really know me.

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Speaker 4: I don't share myself too much, but I feel like

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Speaker 5: T you said you haven't been to the club, I'll

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Speaker 7: Right right, right, right, right right, Okay, lady, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't do too much.

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Speaker 4: Y'all don't see me outside too much. But you know

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Speaker 5: I was like, y'all, game's over. We got the dub.

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Speaker 5: I was like, man, I'm hungry. I need something to eat,

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Speaker 4: One of my teammates from Oh, you know, I'm from

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Speaker 4: I just trusted her. I just trusted her.

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Speaker 5: Was it was it, Cheetah? Was it?

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Speaker 5: Thank you? That's where I wanted to She said, Look,

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Speaker 4: You don't go to the club, I don't go to

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Speaker 6: Right, listen, that that experience is not I've been trying

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Speaker 5: So those are the best wings I have.

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Speaker 2: That's what I try to tell people.

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Speaker 1: Even think I'd be lying when I say because they'd

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Speaker 2: No, they really be putting it down in that you Nay, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I like it here.

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Speaker 1: And what I've tried to tell him, everybody vibe ain't

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Speaker 2: Atlanta is a different vibe.

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Speaker 1: So everybody don't vibe like the eighth. So you expected,

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Speaker 2: Has the world really caught up? Do they have?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't send them over here to the WNBA

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Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely, I think so.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you look, this is the first generation

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Speaker 5: Of learning from YouTube. When we grew up watching.

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Speaker 5: There's more infrastructure to support sports.

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Speaker 4: And then on top of it, we have people on

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Speaker 5: So you have teams.

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Speaker 4: There's a woman named Emma Mesaman who plays for Belgium,

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Speaker 5: Y'all. She's like Luca Esa.

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Speaker 4: Like, she doesn't play faster than she needs to, she's

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Speaker 4: she's not like a guard, she's more of a forward.

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Speaker 4: But my point is that she's cold. She's been playing

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Speaker 5: They've been playing together since there were babies.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's one of the things that we have the

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Speaker 4: I think that women's sports, you know, you know, that's

438
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Speaker 4: saying you have to work twice as hard to get

439
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Speaker 4: out as far right for people to really get the viewership,

440
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 4: to get the respective feels like we always have to

441
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 4: be perfect, We always have to be on That's how

442
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Speaker 4: women operate, not just in sports. As a broadcaster, I

443
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 4: always have to lead with the facts and the figures.

444
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Speaker 4: I have to keep my feelings to thee because the

445
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 4: moment I show my feelings, people are like, oh, what

446
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Speaker 4: does she know? Why does she feel like she can

447
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 4: speak on X, Y and Z. That's just the nature

448
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Speaker 4: that we're in. I'll say this and Ocho. People see

449
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 4: you before they hear you. They judge you before they

450
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 4: know you. So you have to go out there and

451
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 4: be perfect. Why should we play loose and fast at

452
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 4: times with the rules of who should be on the squad,

453
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Speaker 4: which could compromise the integrity of the game when we

454
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Speaker 4: know that we're being criticized regardless. We just have to

455
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Speaker 4: be consistent in our pursuit of perfection. That, to me,

456
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Speaker 4: is what it's like to be a woman, or to

457
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Speaker 4: be a female athlete. That is the challenge that we're

458
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Speaker 4: always up against. My sister always said, why are we

459
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Speaker 4: catering to a group that only came just for this

460
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Speaker 4: certain moment and not came to see the beauty of

461
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Speaker 4: the entire landscape, the beauty of the entire ecosystem. We

462
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Speaker 4: will accept, we will welcome, but we will not conform

463
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Speaker 4: to something that has not made us better individually. What

464
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Speaker 4: made us the best is that we go up against

465
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Speaker 4: the best each and every night. You know what I'm saying,

466
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Speaker 4: So there's things that make the way women approach because

467
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 4: we are constantly dealing with criticism different than men.

468
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Speaker 5: And I think it's okay. I think it's perfectly okay.

469
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Speaker 1: Dude, what do you say to the people that says okay, yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: they might have not been here before, but they're here now.

471
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, we have this Okay,

472
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Speaker 1: you're thirty, you're thirty thirty one years of age, and

473
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Speaker 1: well you got married at thirty thirty one. And so

474
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Speaker 1: for somebody saying that, dang shaney, they probably were saying,

475
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Speaker 1: what's taking you so long? It doesn't matter when it happened.

476
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Speaker 1: Is that the fact that it did happen. And we

477
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Speaker 1: understand that Kaitlyn Clark came with a different with a

478
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Speaker 1: different lens than anybody in the history of the game

479
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Speaker 1: because of the NIL situation, because of the marketing brand

480
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Speaker 1: that was behind her.

481
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Speaker 2: And we know why, we don't how to get into

482
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Speaker 2: the nuances. We know why because it was a perfect storm.

483
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Speaker 1: But how about we take this perfect storm and why

484
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Speaker 1: it's spinning, we let it sweep up everybody that's in

485
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Speaker 1: its path, which is the WNBA.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the.

487
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Speaker 4: Difference here is because she has gotten everything that she

488
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Speaker 4: has needed in some regards with this is the first

489
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Speaker 4: time that she per se has been denied something.

490
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Speaker 5: That people are surprised by.

491
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Speaker 4: She got number one. She is the face of a

492
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Speaker 4: new franchise. She's honestly, unfortunately considered by many that are

493
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Speaker 4: new to this, the face of the WNBA and one

494
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Speaker 4: of the most popular faces now in American sports. Right

495
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Speaker 4: I'll say this, we talk about the like no one

496
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 4: Asian Wilson has a choke hold on the league. But

497
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Speaker 4: the way that we talk about Caitlin I wish we

498
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Speaker 4: could switch the dynamics. But what it is, what it

499
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Speaker 4: is right now, she has gotten a lot, and no

500
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Speaker 4: one's saying that she won't get it. They're just saying

501
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Speaker 4: that right now while all the eyeballs are there. Yes,

502
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Speaker 4: you feel like there's a great expectation, but I don't

503
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Speaker 4: think you want to. Like there's a reason why she

504
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 4: chose going to the WNBA instead of taking that Big

505
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 4: three content contest is because she wanted to honor and

506
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Speaker 4: respect the integrity of the sport and the com petition

507
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Speaker 4: in what she plays. You know what I'm saying, not

508
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 4: everything is like what is delayed is not denied. She

509
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 4: will be an Olympian if she continues on this trajectory.

510
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Speaker 4: Has she been set up for success? Is this team

511
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: being set up for success? Or is being more popular

512
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: more important? This is the one group that does not

513
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Speaker 4: really move based off of popularity, and I think that's

514
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Speaker 4: what people don't really understand.

515
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Speaker 1: Clearly, clearly. Well, today we're gonna thank you for just

516
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: stopping by. We know you only have a brief moment,

517
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Speaker 1: and but thank you for joining Ojo and I on

518
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Speaker 1: nightcap Ladies and gentlemen, Janay Boo McKay my colleague at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: first take thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Good night, and see you soon.

521
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Speaker 5: Always I'll come back. You got your own.

522
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Speaker 2: I feel like I can be you know you welcome

523
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Speaker 2: back any time.

524
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Speaker 5: But we can kick it next time. We can kick

525
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Speaker 5: it again.

526
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Speaker 2: Beg you today to Boom McKay.

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Speaker 1: Lady and gentlemen, uh oh, Joe, You and I we've

528
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Speaker 1: had these conversations and we going back and forth. You've

529
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Speaker 1: gone to a w NBA game. She I mean, look,

530
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: she came in with a different set of lenses. If

531
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Speaker 1: you look at the games that she's played in in college,

532
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: they've been some of the biggest games.

533
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Speaker 2: You look at the games.

534
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Speaker 1: I think they had a game in the Football stadium

535
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Speaker 1: and they drew forty something thousand fans, and I if

536
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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, no quote me on that, but I

537
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Speaker 1: think they did have a game at the football stadium.

538
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: It was And guess what, there's a great chance that

539
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty five All Star Game, she's gonna

540
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: be shooting three pointers against somebody. Now we saw in

541
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Speaker 1: that school shoot against Steph Curry. Now is it gonna

542
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Speaker 1: be if? Is it gonna be her against Dame, her

543
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: against another great three point shooter? Or is it gonna

544
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: be her against Steph Curry? But there's a great chance

545
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: because the crossover. We know how many odds are on

546
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Speaker 1: the three point competition. So guess what, We've got a

547
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Speaker 1: lady from the w NBA that's competing, and she showed herself. Well, yes,

548
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she would have loved to win, but she

549
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: didn't go out there and Steap hit twenty five and

550
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: she hit ten.

551
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Speaker 2: Oh she may even work for that thing, oh Joe.

552
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, we may even work for that.

553
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Speaker 1: And so I think the thing else is, let look,

554
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: they want the same thing we want. They want the

555
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Speaker 1: league to grow, and if it means that it's going

556
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Speaker 1: to take a little bit more time to grow and

557
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: we don't move somebody to the front of the line,

558
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: they're okay with that, but me after like, oh, Joe,

559
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like I look at like

560
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: civil rights. No, we want to move to the front

561
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Speaker 1: of the line. Damn that we've been waiting waiting three

562
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five years now the nine time we

563
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: want to go to the front of the line. Well,

564
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: you waited this long because you know that when you

565
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: waited this long, you might as well go ahead with hem.

566
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Speaker 7: With y'all, well, listen, listen.

567
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Speaker 6: Like my grandma always said, there's more more than one

568
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 6: way to skinner cat.

569
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Speaker 7: Yes, there's always more than one way to skin a cat.

570
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Speaker 6: And obviously, after watching y'all on First Take this morning,

571
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Speaker 6: I would like for people, for the people watching people

572
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Speaker 6: in the chat, I would like for us to be

573
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Speaker 6: able to have a healthy discourse where we can agree,

574
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 6: did disagree on a difference of opinion? Yeah, some people

575
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 6: are gonna agree with you, some people are not. There's

576
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 6: there's a way you can go about it. You can engage,

577
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 6: you can talk about your topics. You can state your

578
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 6: fast you can state your opinions, you can stay whatever

579
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 6: it is. But a lot of people at this point,

580
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 6: now they get a little, a little belligerent, They get

581
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Speaker 6: a little distress when.

582
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Speaker 1: It's not when it's they're not, when it's when they're

583
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Speaker 1: when your opinion don't coincide with theirs.

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you camp, Now you not you showing up

585
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: for the for the man.

586
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Now you're cuning. Now you step in and fetch it.

587
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: But as long as you see, that's that's not how

588
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. Oh Joe, When I'm at that desk,

589
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't see man woman. I see people that I'm

590
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: debating against. So now what y'all want me to choose? Now,

591
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: y'all say one minute, y'all want to be treated equal.

592
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: Y'all want fair, y'all want.

593
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: X, Y and Z. But now, shining tone it down.

594
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: I mean, you're so passionate, you're so those are women

595
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: that hold on You say they're not fragile.

596
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: You say you don't want to be treated fragile.

597
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: But when I a debate, like I debate and conversate,

598
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Speaker 1: whether it's Ken Perkins, where there's d O, whether it's

599
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: ryan whether it's a problem. So which is it? What

600
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? You want me to

601
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: see y'all want me to go outside of what I do.

602
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: But y'all didn't want the w n B A and

603
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: the Olympic or the Olympic Women's team to go outside

604
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: what they do.

605
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: So you got to pick and choose.

606
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I just reading some of the comments. Man,

607
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 6: just it's a little a little too harsh. Like everybody,

608
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 6: everybody reach and listen. It's okay to have a denversent opinion.

609
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 6: You say one thing, somebody else says another. You know what,

610
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 6: we can agree to disagree.

611
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: You have your opinion. I have mine.

612
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I might come at you and say, well, oh, Joe,

613
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: tell me why you think this. You might say, well

614
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: tell me why you think that? Okay, that's oh, that's

615
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: O Chow's opinion. His opinion might differ from mine. We

616
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: might have some same opinions. But here's the thing. They're like,

617
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: will you be going? You be going? You be going?

618
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Easy with stephen A. Now, if at first y'all say

619
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Speaker 1: we was manufacturing topics on the other show, were manufacturing topics,

620
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Now y'all say I go along with stephen A. But

621
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: if I were to go at stephen A's neck, You're

622
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, See, you ain't do that to old boy

623
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Speaker 1: over there. You see how we do our own Yeah,

624
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I really know where a situation o Joe. So at

625
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I got to be true

626
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: to me. I'm a very passionate person. So when I

627
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: when I have a debate or we have healthy conversations

628
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: about a certain topic, yes, my presence, my voice projects,

629
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Speaker 1: I don't look at like, oh man, I gotta be ay. Guys, well,

630
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Speaker 1: I think they should have That's not what That's not

631
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Speaker 1: who I am. And I understand that Janey is a woman.

632
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: I understand that Andrea Carter and Monica. But if you

633
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: were to ask them, they don't want me to go easy.

634
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: They ain't going either on me. Mm.

635
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: They ain't gonna either on me. They trying.

636
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: They trying to come at my neck and rightfully. So

637
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: just like stephen A, Stevin Ay and I agree.

638
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: On some things. Some things we don't. We don't.

639
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Dan Oloski some things we'll oh, we

640
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: agree on perk a book, Ryan A. We agree to disagree.

641
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be passionate and I'm gonna argue my point.

642
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: And Okay, that's my That's how I see it. That's

643
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: not how they see it. Oh, Jo and I we go.

644
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: We had some heated conversations about receivers, about quarterback play,

645
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: but that's how he sees it, right, And we gotta

646
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: we gotta stop this notion. And if you black, as

647
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: long as I'm troubled for the black sea, as Kat said,

648
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: the line isn't drawn at black and white.

649
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: Is drawn in the truth. It's drawn in right and wrong. Yeah.

650
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: Now, all the time, as much I was one of

651
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Speaker 1: the only ones, the only ones on television that spoke.

652
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Speaker 2: Glowingly and believed that Colin.

653
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Speaker 1: Kaepernick was in the right, and when everybody else was like,

654
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: be quiet, shut up, I kept standing on that. Now,

655
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I say one thing that the

656
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Speaker 1: masses don't agree with, are you? Yeah, you step in

657
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: and fetching you that you should be that white woman's agent.

658
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Now clip it around. If I was supporting her she

659
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: was black, Come I stepping and fetch it?

660
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: What I mean? What's going on?

661
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: Right?

662
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: So y'all just get y'all just got a picture, choose.

663
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: We're not going to agree if somebody agree with you

664
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: on everything, you need to get rid of them. Anybody

665
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: that will agree with you on every single thing that

666
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: you say, they're not your friend.

667
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: They do not have your best interest in mind at

668
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: all at all.

669
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Speaker 1: They a do boy or do girl. They do whatever

670
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: you say because of the position that you in. So

671
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: understand that you can't please everybody. And that's okay. And

672
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people that's on the that's in the

673
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: chat and that's commenting.

674
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: They don't.

675
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: That's not that's not the entire world, that's not your

676
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: entire fan base. Yeah, even sometimes that I say things

677
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: that even some of my those aren't supporters, they disagree with. Yeah,

678
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: sometimes people that disagree normally disagree with me, they agree

679
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: with it. That's okay, that's a part of it. If

680
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: you agree with everything I say, I got a problem

681
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: because I don't need to know why you agree with

682
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: everything I say?

683
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: Am I right on everything? I mean sometimes I think

684
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: I am, but I'm not.

685
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 5: No.

686
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: I argue the facts to the best of my ability.

687
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: I look at facts, I look at situations. I try

688
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: to look at like, Okay, what are you trying to

689
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: do here? You're trying to grow at you trying to

690
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: Like seventy six thousand, Kaitlyn Clark took a pay cut

691
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: to go to the go Who takes a pay cut

692
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: to go professional? Think about it, Oh, Joe, you in

693
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: college and all of a sudden, your first job is

694
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: less than you was making in college.

695
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 7: In college, and like, what hell?

696
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: What did I go to school to get?

697
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Disagree for you man to tell me, I went to

698
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: there for a quarter of a million, and now I

699
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: got this job, Ben Helthy, I don't know how I

700
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: man paid these loans off my kid.

701
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: My grandkid's gonna be playing on this deck.

702
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 6: Hey, but ununderstandable that she's in a fortunate position, yes

703
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 6: to where she might be taking less to play in

704
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 6: the w n B A, but she's making the marketing, Yes,

705
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 6: three times much more from a marketing standpoint.

706
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: So and I understand, Ojo. She came in without playing

707
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: a game. She got a she got a signature shoe deal.

708
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: I understand her. Think about this. I want you to

709
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: think about this. Only her and Michael Jordan has ever

710
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: had a basketball deal. Our basket, the thing that they

711
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: played with her and Michael Jordan.

712
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.

713
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Remember they changed the rules because them rookie quarterbacks. Sam

714
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Bradford had a quarterback he was the highest paid player,

715
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: and the.

716
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: Player said, Dann, hell with that. So I get a

717
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: lot of.

718
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Every a lot of people's frustration because it's, oh, Joe,

719
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: you're working on the job and you find out somebody

720
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: came in, they just got there and they're making you

721
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: or to you. You're gonna feel some type of way.

722
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: It's just natural. It's just natural. But I believe in

723
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: her situation that the more eyes we talk, yeah, I

724
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, we talk about her, probably for too much, yeah,

725
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: probably so. But the mere fact that we're talking about

726
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: the WNBA, in which he's a member of. My goal

727
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: is to like, hey, hopefully these women one day they're

728
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: making two three million dollars a year, because there's a

729
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: big oh Jo, there's a big difference between a woman

730
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: making a million dollars and a woman making a one

731
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: hundred thousand.

732
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: There's a big difference.

733
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: We know the difference because we've been on the end

734
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: of the spectrum where we've made that, and we know

735
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: the comfort level that you have when you make that

736
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: kind of money. And they don't have to go overseas

737
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: and play and put that wear and tear on their body.

738
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: They can just stay here, make a great living in

739
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: the WNBA, get a couple of deals, get a couple

740
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: of marketing deals, and and you know, endorsement, and be set. Yeah,

741
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: and and make and make a good living.

742
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 7: Yeah. I like it.

743
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 6: I like the fact that the w NBA right now,

744
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 6: as we continue to talk about it, whether people are

745
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 6: tired of us talking about Caitlin Clark or whether people

746
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 6: are tired of us talking about Angel Reesa, where people

747
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 6: tired of us talking about Asian Wilson. Is the fact

748
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 6: that the w NBA is dominating headlines. Yes, we're in

749
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 6: the NBA Finals and we are dominating headlines like the

750
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: goddamn Dallas Cowboys or the goddamned Lakers.

751
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: Yes, just like them.

752
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: There's a reason why they put the Cowboys on every

753
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: chance they get. If they could put the Cowboys on

754
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: every single week on national television, they would, Ojoe, they

755
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: would Yeah, because go look at the top five Rady games,

756
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: Go look at the top ten rated game last year.

757
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: And see who vell them.

758
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

759
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: It is what it is. Yeah, it is what it is.

760
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we were able to have Jana on

761
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: her to have it. Last week we had Monica on,

762
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: we had on night, so hopefully, you know, look, she's

763
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be on it.

764
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: She's not gonna be on the team.

765
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it purely like I believe they're gonna

766
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: win the championship if you don't play with two minutes

767
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: a game, kind of like Christian Layton, how many times

768
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: think about it, they were beating people by averaging forty

769
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: five points that Christian Lader was playing to play at

770
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: two minutes and there they are fifty.

771
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: They beating teams by eighty.

772
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what she said that you believe the

773
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: world is catching up, So we'll find out. I just

774
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: hope this momentum that this crop has come in with

775
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: this rookie class and the momentum of us talking about

776
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: the O Show, hopefully that translates the dollars dollars which

777
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: in it, you know, I hate to use that trickle

778
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: down effect that economic that trickle down effect because that

779
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: but I just hopefully that more people will be in

780
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: attendance and watch and the viewership. We have the numbers

781
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: we see approximate four hundred thousand fans attended the WNBA

782
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: game since the tip of tip off season through the

783
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: end of May, the most through the first month of

784
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: the season in twenty six years. More than half of

785
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: all WNBA games were sellouts, which is one hundred and

786
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: fifty six percent increase. May set an all time high

787
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: for WNBA league, passed with subscription with a three hundred

788
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: and thirty five percent increase. WNBA social media channels garnered

789
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty seven million views through the first

790
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: week of the season, the most viewed WNBA tip Off

791
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: week on social media ever, up three hundred and eighty

792
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: percent versus last year. Since the start of the season,

793
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: the WNBA store has already set up record for the

794
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: most single season sales and store history overall transactional up

795
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty six percent versus the same time

796
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: last year. He became the free Yes.

797
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 6: But wait, is one thing about them numbers. Boy, Them

798
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 6: numbers do not live wise bo, them numbers do not lisp.

799
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: But God damn, so hopefully they can keep it going.

800
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Look just on a crappy team, O Joe. There's a

801
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: reason why they've had back to back the number one

802
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: overall pick the man. They're not a good team and

803
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: sometimes no matter how good you are. It's not like

804
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: a situation where Magic Johnson. He went to a team

805
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: that had the NV had a five, had a five

806
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: time MVP on it with Kareem Larry Birry went to

807
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: a team they ended up having Kevin McHale, they had

808
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: Robert Parrish, they had Nate Tony Archibald, they had they

809
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: had Cedric Cornbread Maxwell. She went to a team that

810
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: they're not very good. There's nowhere around it. And you know,

811
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: it's not like Mie More. She goes to Minnesota and

812
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: they got some mon Augustus. They got Sylvia.

813
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 7: Fowls right.

814
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Look at DT. She got to Rossi, so you know Stewie.

815
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: Stewie went to the team that had they got end

816
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: up getting Jewel Lord. They had Sue Byrd, So I mean,

817
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: she gonna need some help around her. She ain't finish

818
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: do all this by herself. No one does. But I'm

819
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: glad we're talking about it. Hopefully things these women, Hopefully

820
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: they win to go. I'm watching it all that bull job.

821
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I ain't watching it because Kaitlyn Clark bull jive. I'm

822
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: watching I'm watching it. Check this out on your After

823
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: speculation about the move to the depth of the NBA

824
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: bless you. Dan Hurley is staying at Yukon. Hurley is

825
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: coming out back to back national championship with Yukon. He's

826
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: turning down a major payday with the Lakers to stay

827
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: at the Huskies. Per multiple reports, Hurley turned down six years,

828
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars off in favor of chasing a third

829
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: straight national title with Yukon. The deal would have made

830
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: Hurley one of the top six high speed coaches and

831
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: the NBA had he accepted.

832
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I talked to day earlier. I tal that

833
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 7: I talked to Dan earlier.

834
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 6: I really wanted to to get a jump on the

835
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 6: rest of the media, rest of the analysts, the rest

836
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 6: of the pundits that would have a story on why

837
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 6: did Dan decide not to take the job. I mean,

838
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 6: when you think, when you think about it, who turned

839
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 6: down the historic franchise like Akers, especially with a magnificent

840
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 6: deal like six for seventy magnificent. A huge deal to

841
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 6: me would have been six for one hundred. Now I

842
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 6: think a hundred would have made him move. Six for

843
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 6: seventy he can come back, and he can go back

844
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 6: and coach and go for a third go for a

845
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 6: third title in college and probably give six for seventy

846
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 6: somewhere else if that's what he choose to do. But

847
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 6: I think if you look at the resume and the

848
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 6: body of work and all the coaches that have been

849
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 6: with the Lakers, I don't think any of them got

850
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 6: passed three.

851
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: Years, well, none of.

852
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: Them, because you you had Luke Walton, you had Frank Bogel,

853
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: you had Darvin Ham and now they're looking for the

854
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: next coach. And all those coaches since Lebron has been there.

855
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I think Lebron is heading into his seventh season. He

856
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: got there in twenty twenty, nineteen nineteen.

857
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 6: Named one of those name one of those coaches who's

858
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: gone over three years, No.

859
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 7: Not one of them.

860
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: So obviously you wait, you that that plays part in

861
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 6: it uprooting your entire family out of Connecticut to move

862
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 6: to LA knowing that you're going only be there two years, Lebron,

863
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 6: you don't know how long Lebron going to be there.

864
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 7: It's eighty eighteen right now.

865
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 6: That too many other question marks as far as leaguers

866
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 6: a concern going into this season.

867
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 7: What's gonna happen? So listen, why not just stay home?

868
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 6: Make another run at another title, probably win another title,

869
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 6: maybe two, and if the opportunity presents itself again for

870
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 6: you to have a head coaching job, then you can

871
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 6: do it on the back end, and not right now.

872
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: It's not good enough.

873
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, Look, ty lu just got five years, fourteen

874
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: millionaire five years seventy million dollars. Right, you can't make

875
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: it one of the highest paid because you're asking him

876
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: to uproot his family, move clear across country when he's

877
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: mainly predominantly been on the East Coast.

878
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: So in order, it's kind of like a free agent.

879
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: You gotta blow me away, give me, give me, give me,

880
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: give me six years, fifteen million. Now you've got to

881
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: make them an offer that he care if you. That

882
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: is why I said, hold on how much you say, yeah,

883
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: you say five years, not eighty million? Five years is

884
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: ninety million.

885
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.

886
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's reevaluate this baby. You know what

887
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying because Oho, why would he leave

888
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: the situation that he's in. He's comfortable, he knows that

889
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: his wife is comfortable, his kids are comfortable. He's a

890
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: predominantly East Coast guy. To move that's a big transition

891
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: going from East Coast when you've been there predominantly and

892
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: coming to the West coast, and now, first of all,

893
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: uncle Sam going to take fifty percent of that anyway.

894
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let me get that, Let me get it,

895
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 6: Let me get that up off you.

896
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 7: Let me get that up off you.

897
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 6: And then you obviously you're going from Connecticut and you're

898
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 6: going in the Hollywood.

899
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 7: You're going in Connecticut where you're going.

900
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 6: To Hollywood, whereas not even basketball first Hell is about entertainment.

901
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 6: Then comes basketball, right, and that goes against everything from

902
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 6: a little bit of college football that I've watched that

903
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 6: U can't even stands for.

904
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: Right, So it's gonna be, it's gonna be. It's gonna

905
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: be every very interesting to see who they hire now?

906
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Is JJ do They turned their attention back to JJ Reddick.

907
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: It seemed like because everybody was talking about JJ Reddick,

908
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: JJ Ready, JJ Reddick, they kind of pivoted, knowing that

909
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: the likelihood of this man gonna take, you know, give

910
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: him leven and a half leven point six million dollars

911
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: a year, the likelihood he probably gonna turn that down,

912
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: say well, well we tried, we tried. No, he's gonna

913
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: say no, I won't. I want seventeen eighteen million a

914
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: year and I'm gonna pick my own staff.

915
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Y'all will have no say in who I have.

916
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 7: They probably they probably wren't allow him to do that.

917
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: You know, that's why didn't get you.

918
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 7: It is the Lakers, now, yeah, it is the Lakers.

919
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 7: They'll throw some money out there.

920
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 6: They didn't throw enough out there to not make you

921
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 6: change in mind, but make your wife tell your husband

922
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: wait a minute, baby, we might need to re We

923
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 6: might need to reevaluate.

924
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, even if even if.

925
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 6: They even you don't make it and they allow you

926
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 6: to coach for two years and you get fired, look

927
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 6: at a little nice nests egg you got to sit

928
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 6: back on because you can coaching in comge.

929
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I ain't, And I'm gonna put I ain't

930
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: got no offset language. So if y'all fied, I'm gonna

931
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: get all this money, and when I go back to college,

932
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get their money too.

933
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna double bill. Yeah, because y'all go trying

934
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: to say.

935
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have to put the offset language that

936
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: if you go back to college, whatever you get against

937
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: that we're kind against the money that we know you're not.

938
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, could never do that. No, y'all gonna

939
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: pay this. I'm gonna get all that. Give give me

940
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: all that. So the Lakers are still without a head

941
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: coach Dad Hurley decides to go back to Yukon. I

942
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: don't think many people are surprised by that, given how

943
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Somebody want to look they're the Lakers, Oh Joe,

944
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: it's like the Cowboys. It's like the Yankees, the Dodgers,

945
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. In baseball, you're talking about pricking the Cubs.

946
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: Who somebody gonna work those are, you know, cornerstone franchises.

947
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna want to coach.

948
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you I mean at what costs, At what

949
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 6: costs because you know it's short lived. You get the fame,

950
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 6: you get the glory for one two years. If somebody say, oh, Jo,

951
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 6: we're gonna let you play. We're gonna let you be

952
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: the president of the United States, but you're only gonna

953
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 6: serve one term. What you're gonna say, nah, man, I

954
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 6: won't do I want I want two terms. I want

955
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 6: to be a two term president. Oh listen, exactly. They

956
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 6: mess around and let me be the president of the

957
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 6: United States. Well, I'm gonna turn this country around so

958
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 6: goddamn fast.

959
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: The ain't gonna let you turn it around.

960
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 6: Hey, but listen, I'm gonna turn this country around so

961
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 6: fast they ain't gonna know what hit him.

962
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: Like I already know who. I already know who.

963
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 6: Run the show. Anyway, I already know who run the show.

964
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 6: I'm gonna just let them know. Man, listen, I need

965
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 6: y'all to sit back. Let me do my thing for

966
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 6: this one term, and y'all can come on back into

967
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 6: play and do all your power boos that you do

968
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 6: behind the scenes.

969
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 7: But while I'm here, well, I'm representing my people. Let

970
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 7: me do what I need to do.

971
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: Okay, they're gonna make you a lame dug Ojo.

972
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna nothing.

973
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: Shit me that go for all thirteen of them families, y'all.

974
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 6: I know who I'm talking to. I know y'all see me.

975
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: Darvin Ham returns to the Buck as an assistant.

976
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: The high wind mark a home coming for Ham, who

977
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: was the assistant on the Bucks head coach Mike Budenholzer

978
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two before heading to

979
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Budenholzer and Ham led Milwaukee to a championship

980
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Ham also played for Milwaukee from

981
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and two during his

982
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: tenure in the NBA as a forward.

983
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: What he had an opportunity to join.

984
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: Budd in Phoenix, he said, no, he joins Doc in Milwaukee.

985
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: Does this mean because it didn't turn out very well

986
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: for Doc? He had a you know, I think he

987
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: might have had maybe a five hundred record or maybe

988
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: slightly below five hundred record, filling in for Adrian Griffin.

989
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: Taking over Adrian Griffin.

990
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: Is Darvin Ham looking like, hey, Boonholds is gonna beat

991
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: there for a minute.

992
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: But if Doc get off to a shaky start, this

993
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: might be.

994
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 7: That I'm the next man out.

995
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 6: That that could be. That could be the situation. I

996
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 6: think there's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of

997
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 6: pressure on on Giannis and the and then young.

998
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 7: Bulls over there that play well together.

999
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 6: I would think so, But I you know, most of

1000
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 6: the most of the time, I think it's on the players, right,

1001
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 6: I think it's it's on the players.

1002
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 7: Do we really like how do I said Joannis?

1003
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 6: I think then had some type of disagreement with the

1004
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 6: what's the private coach?

1005
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 7: I forgot.

1006
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: When it seemed like he had he had he had,

1007
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: he had problems Jason Kidd with what Jonas's coach, Mike

1008
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: bo who won the championship, he won two m vps, and.

1009
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 7: Problem with everybody. He hadn't problems with everybody. So who

1010
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 7: is the real problem here?

1011
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: This is what we know when you are a superstar,

1012
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: if the coach is serving at the behest of the superstar. Right, So,

1013
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: if Yanny would have wanted Jason Kidd to stay, Jason

1014
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Kidd would have been there. If Joanny would have might

1015
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: have wanted Mike Budenholzer to stay, he would have stayed.

1016
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Adrian Griffin got fired and he was forty three and

1017
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen.

1018
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, they were doing well. They were doing well

1019
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 7: and he.

1020
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: Got fired and all of a sudden, don't nobody know anything. Yeah,

1021
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: come on, dude, come on now, we know how this works.

1022
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay.

1023
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, something something not right, something not right? Hell, we

1024
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 6: got you got you got Dame over there. Yeah, you

1025
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 6: got Dame over that.

1026
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 7: We be honest, I mean, and it happens.

1027
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Magic won a championship with Paul West. With Paul West

1028
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: headn but Magic said, you know the style, he wanted

1029
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: to slow it down.

1030
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: We needed to get up. We butted heads. Somebody had

1031
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: to go.

1032
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Who you think Gary West gonna side with the head

1033
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: coach or twenty one your old finals MVP And let

1034
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: me take that back, Yeah, a twenty one year old

1035
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Finals MVP? Right, come on, man, so Joannis, a two

1036
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: time league MVP, a Finals MVP probably six seven consecing

1037
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: the time first team All NBA.

1038
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: Man, you know how much that mean? And he's in

1039
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: a small market.

1040
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: You could ill afford to have Giannis to leave because

1041
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: the best player that you had prior to Gianni's was

1042
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: Kareem he left. M you can't have these your small markets.

1043
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: If your big time guys you get lucky. Can you

1044
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: imagine if Tim Duncan had a left Orlando, I mean,

1045
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: excuse me, left San Antonio and went to Orlando and

1046
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: the only reason that he didn't go is because the

1047
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: families couldn't fly on the plane with the loved ones,

1048
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: and the Spurs did allow that. And Mama say, well

1049
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: you know what that means, right, We're going back to

1050
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: San Antonio Tony.

1051
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but can you imagine what that would have done?

1052
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 7: Right?

1053
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 6: That's that's that's that's crazy. How you can think about

1054
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 6: how a player can have an institution or franchise in

1055
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 6: a choke hold like that when they're that good, And

1056
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 6: how long?

1057
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 7: How long do they put up with that?

1058
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 6: Because you know, you got that famous phrase, they'll tolerate

1059
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 6: you for as long as they can until they can.

1060
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Replace you, until they can find somebody to find another yarnis?

1061
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: How long?

1062
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 7: How long?

1063
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: How long before they found another? Greed? Kareem got Kareem

1064
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: with him milk walking from what sixty nine and seventy six?

1065
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, damn, that's crazy. I mean, he he's good, he's

1066
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 6: ready what he does, He's ready what he does. They

1067
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 6: got a nice three headed months over there with Middleton,

1068
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 6: him and him and him in Middleton. So