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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, the city of Los Angeles with the Lakers
Speaker 1: winning and now the Dodgers beating the Rays three one.
Speaker 1: Corey Seeger your MVP. But a game that was not
Speaker 1: without drama on the field, off the field, before the game,
Speaker 1: during the game, after the game, about to process. We'll
Speaker 1: try to figure all of this out. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: the manager of the world champion LA Dodgers, Dave Roberts,
Speaker 1: will join us coming up a little bit later on
Speaker 1: Also check in with Sean Casey, Major League Baseball Network analyst.
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's quarterback Josh Allen's going to stop by as well.
Speaker 1: No baseball tonight, no NFL tonight, no college football tonight.
Speaker 1: When's the last time we had a night without one
Speaker 1: of the four major sports? I know we have some
Speaker 1: soccer tonight the Premier League, but probably back in July
Speaker 1: was the first time that we have gone without sports
Speaker 1: in the evening. I think it's a good thing. I
Speaker 1: think we can all take a night off here. This
Speaker 1: is one of those where you reintroduce yourself to your family.
Speaker 1: Hopefully your wife doesn't see through you and your phoniness.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm going to take a night off
Speaker 1: from watching sports. I'd like to just be around you. Hunt.
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Speaker 1: Play of the day, all of that coming up, and
Speaker 1: a pull question from mclovin as well. You can't blame
Speaker 1: Dodger fans if they had become cynical, because for some
Speaker 1: time now the Dodgers were the best team in baseball.
Speaker 1: It didn't result in a championship, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people probably why would this year be different? Well, it
Speaker 1: turns out there was one big reason why this year
Speaker 1: was different. His name is Mookie Bets. When the Dodgers
Speaker 1: traded for him from the Red Sox, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of hope in Los Angeles. Then that got derailed
Speaker 1: for some time because of the pandemic, and then once
Speaker 1: the season got going, the postseason arrived, Mookie proved just
Speaker 1: how special he was at the plate on the basis
Speaker 1: in the field five tool player Game six of the
Speaker 1: World Series, he had a six sitting double, brilliant base running,
Speaker 1: gave them the lead, added a solo homer in the eighth,
Speaker 1: And of course there's a lot of credit to go
Speaker 1: around here. Clayton Kershaw, the rest of the staff pitched well.
Speaker 1: Corey Seeger was the MVP. Several players contributed. Dave Roberts
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get some credit here as well. But while
Speaker 1: Corey Seeger was the MVP, Mookie Bets was the MVD.
Speaker 1: He was the most valuable Dodger. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: questions with last night's game, and you know, you look
Speaker 1: at let me just start on the field to Justin
Speaker 1: Turner in a moment here, but just what was going
Speaker 1: on with the pitching matchup? We thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be a bullpen session for the Dodgers, and basically,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens in Game six. If we have
Speaker 1: to go to a Game seven we have a well
Speaker 1: rested walker Bueller, but you're using seven pitchers there and
Speaker 1: you allowed one earn run. Blake Snow was cruising. Blake
Speaker 1: Snell through the first four or five innings was brilliant
Speaker 1: seventy three pitches. But the analytics will tell you that
Speaker 1: once he gets to the third go round in the lineup,
Speaker 1: that's when trouble happens for Snell. That's around the fifth
Speaker 1: or sixth inning. So if I gave you inning by
Speaker 1: inning ra before last night, for Blake Snell in the postseason,
Speaker 1: first inning ERA is three point six zero, second inning
Speaker 1: zero point zero zero, third inning one point eight zero,
Speaker 1: fourth inning zero point zero zero, fifth inning fourteen point
Speaker 1: seven three r A. Now, if you're gonna make a
Speaker 1: decision based off of that the analytics, then you're probably
Speaker 1: looking at third time around. Top of the lineup with
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Mookie Bets was leading off and Blake Snow
Speaker 1: was pulled by his manager, Kevin Cash. Here's what Kevin
Speaker 1: Cash had to say as to why he took out
Speaker 1: his picture. The only motive was that the lineup line
Speaker 1: up to the Dodgers features as potent as any team
Speaker 1: in the league. Personally, I felt Blake had done his
Speaker 1: job and then some Mookie coming around for the third
Speaker 1: time through. I value that. I totally respect and understand
Speaker 1: the questions that come with it. Blake gave us every
Speaker 1: opportunity to win. He was outstanding. They're not easy decisions,
Speaker 1: and that's where I came to the decision. I felt
Speaker 1: it was best after the guy got on base Barnes
Speaker 1: hit the single. Didn't want Mookie seeing Mookie or Seeger
Speaker 1: seeing Blake a third time. Okay, if you're gonna criticize this,
Speaker 1: then you have to be critical prior to him pulling
Speaker 1: Blakes Now. The only thing I thought when I'm watching
Speaker 1: it is and I didn't know the ra in the
Speaker 1: fifth inning for him in the postseason the third time around,
Speaker 1: I do know that Mookie was not hitting left hander
Speaker 1: as well. Mookie after the game on Fox the post
Speaker 1: game was like, we were happy to get rid of him.
Speaker 1: You know, I felt like I had a chance with
Speaker 1: somebody else. You want to bring in your reliever who
Speaker 1: hasn't pitched well in the postseason, Are you using analytics
Speaker 1: with that decision? When you bring in Anderson? Are you
Speaker 1: using analytics to say, maybe we shouldn't be bringing him
Speaker 1: in because he has not pitched well in the postseason.
Speaker 1: There's something about analytics, and there's something about a gut feeling.
Speaker 1: The only thing I would want to know if I'm
Speaker 1: the manager, all right, let me see where we are
Speaker 1: on the pitch count, and I know that we're coming
Speaker 1: up with the top of the lineup again. I just
Speaker 1: want to know what my catcher is going to tell me,
Speaker 1: and I want him to tell me. Look, they're not
Speaker 1: even close to hitting him. You know, he's still got
Speaker 1: good velocity, he's got still still his good bite on
Speaker 1: his breaking ball, like he was pitching so well and
Speaker 1: in such control there. But I don't know if if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're catcher and I would say
Speaker 1: to him, you got to be honest with me. I
Speaker 1: don't even go to Blake Snell. I'd go to my
Speaker 1: catcher and say, I want you to put yourself in
Speaker 1: my position. What would you do? I mean, these are
Speaker 1: big boy decisions here. This will stay with Kevin Cash
Speaker 1: for a long long time, and Blake Snell maybe was
Speaker 1: going to get torched, maybe get lit up. I just
Speaker 1: I don't like being married to analytics because there also
Speaker 1: has to be a gut feeling in the moment this
Speaker 1: is the World Series. Because if I'm Blake Snell, you say,
Speaker 1: let me try to win, but also let me try
Speaker 1: to lose the game too, And by that, I mean
Speaker 1: let me stay out there. If I lose the game,
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm your best option. I want to be
Speaker 1: out there. I want to stay in. I want to
Speaker 1: which as long as I can to win. But even
Speaker 1: if I'm out there and we lose, I want to
Speaker 1: be the guy on the mound. And it's rare when
Speaker 1: the picture gets to talk the manager out of a decision,
Speaker 1: because Kevin Cash came out there armed with analytics and
Speaker 1: basically was saying before he got out there, I'm taking
Speaker 1: you out. And Blake Snell knew that. And Blake Snell
Speaker 1: was not thrilled. This is what he had to say
Speaker 1: about trying to stay on the mound and definitely disappointed, upset.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I just want the bar.
Speaker 1: I felt good. I felt I did everything I could to,
Speaker 1: you know, prove my case to stay out there there
Speaker 1: for us to lose, you know, it just a sucks.
Speaker 1: What if he had left Blake Snell in and Blake
Speaker 1: Snell got torched, not the reliever, then we would be
Speaker 1: all over who today. You use your analytics all these months.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why you were the favorite in the
Speaker 1: American League, and then you went against analytics. Because we're
Speaker 1: looking at the results here. I just want to know
Speaker 1: what Blake Snell was thinking, and I want to know
Speaker 1: what my catcher felt like he was seeing and feeling
Speaker 1: and the reaction. You know, with the hitters too, you
Speaker 1: know how close are they? A lot of times you'll
Speaker 1: see guys who are right on somebody's fastball. You know,
Speaker 1: they always say, oh, he just missed that. I didn't
Speaker 1: get that feeling with the Dodgers. And then I'm bringing
Speaker 1: in a reliever who hasn't pitched well in the postseason.
Speaker 1: What were the analytics on that? Because if I'm married
Speaker 1: to the analytics to take out my picture, then I'm
Speaker 1: going to be married to the analytics of maybe not
Speaker 1: bringing in that reliever. I feel like we should just
Speaker 1: date analytics. I don't know if we should be marrying analytics.
Speaker 1: I just want to date, you know, I think we
Speaker 1: should see other people, all right. Eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email address DP at dan Patrick dot com,
Speaker 1: mcleven You got a poll question for me. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: he worded it, and I like it always trust analytics
Speaker 1: or your gut. So it's black and white. You can't
Speaker 1: go you can't go one or the other. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can't be like, well, sometimes I'll trust analytics. I think
Speaker 1: it has to be noted that Andrew Friedman is the
Speaker 1: president of the Dodgers, and he's like one of the
Speaker 1: grandfather you know, he's one of the He built the Rays.
Speaker 1: He's like as analytics stud, theo Epstein one with the
Speaker 1: Cubs and the Red Sox analytics stud Jeff lu Now
Speaker 1: and the Astros analytics analytics analytic. Dodgers pulled a perfect
Speaker 1: analytics game last night. They did one ending of their starter.
Speaker 1: The Astros had different analytics though. Yeah, they actually were
Speaker 1: famous for their analytics and turned out was a garbage analytic.
Speaker 1: I understand analytics. It's not like I'm an analytics denier.
Speaker 1: It's just I think that you get married to something
Speaker 1: and it feels like in that moment you have to
Speaker 1: have a human element. How many times do you see something?
Speaker 1: If we did analytics, Kurt Gibson wouldn't have come to
Speaker 1: the plate. The Dodgers against the Oakland A's because we'd
Speaker 1: say he can't catch up to Eckersley Madison Bumgardner probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't pitch as long as he did in games with
Speaker 1: the Giants when he was so brilliant. Like it feels
Speaker 1: like some great baseball moments would have been prevented because
Speaker 1: of analytics. And that's the only thing that I get
Speaker 1: a little concerned about. And I've railed against analytics from
Speaker 1: the standpoint as I think it's taken the heart and
Speaker 1: soul out of baseball. I don't think it's as enjoyable.
Speaker 1: There's no movement. How many times do the Rays strike
Speaker 1: out last night? You know, there's no on base percent,
Speaker 1: Like nobody cares about any of that stuff. And it
Speaker 1: feels like I'm celebrating Mookie Bets today because why in
Speaker 1: the field, great defense, on the bases and at the plate.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at everything that he offers baseball and that's
Speaker 1: what I love seeing. I don't like one dimensional, and
Speaker 1: baseball feels like is one dimensional, and that's where analytics
Speaker 1: sometimes comes in. It's like, hey, you don't need to
Speaker 1: take a you know, lay down a bunt, you know,
Speaker 1: steal a base. You don't have to do any of
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, maybe, but it felt like the Dodgers
Speaker 1: did some small things in this series that helped them win.
Speaker 1: And I would have left Blake Snell in if I
Speaker 1: thought Blake Snell was still virtually unhitable. He wasn't striking out.
Speaker 1: I don't know the last guy he struck out, McLevin.
Speaker 1: If you can find that, Paulie, do you have, then yeah,
Speaker 1: he Blake Snell struck out the side and the fourth inning,
Speaker 1: Seeger Muncie and Turner struck him out one two three.
Speaker 1: In the fifth inning, he was it was a one
Speaker 1: two three inning, but everyone got a bat on the ball,
Speaker 1: so that's the difference. So those are his last two innings. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have left him in. It's the World Series.
Speaker 1: If I knew if my answer was going to be
Speaker 1: a reliever who hadn't pitched well, then it makes me
Speaker 1: stay with Snell a little bit longer. And it might
Speaker 1: be one of those where I say to him, if
Speaker 1: you give up a hit, I'm taking you out. But
Speaker 1: I have to let him still be on the mound there. Yeah, mclovin.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Nick Anderson thing is analytics, though,
Speaker 1: I think like It's like one of those situations to
Speaker 1: go with the guys. You got you there. You know
Speaker 1: why they kept trusting Nick Can He hadn't pitched well
Speaker 1: in the postseason, so there was something about whatever he
Speaker 1: was doing or not doing. I just feel like sometimes
Speaker 1: the managers trust a reliever and they'll go down with
Speaker 1: the ship. Analytics or non analytics. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll by the way, analytics would have love Kirk Gibson.
Speaker 1: They love guys who can't run. That's like, that's like
Speaker 1: the signature moneyball guy, a slow guy. All right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break because I want to come back.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Justin Turner, what happened prior
Speaker 1: to the game, During the game. After the game, Dodgers
Speaker 1: respond to Justin Turner without a mask on, posing in
Speaker 1: front of you know, everybody, with the World Series trophy there.
Speaker 1: Commissioner got booed when he was handing out the World
Speaker 1: Series trophy. I didn't know there were enough fans and
Speaker 1: the stands to make it sound that loud with all
Speaker 1: the booze in there, but you got booed. We'll take
Speaker 1: a break. We'll settle on a poll question. Your phone
Speaker 1: calls are always welcome. It's a fourteen after the hour.
Speaker 1: Once again, we'll talk to Dave Roberts, the Dodger manager,
Speaker 1: the Bills, Josh Allen will stop by. Sean Casey, Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball Network will join us coming up as well.
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Speaker 1: was a great series, a lot of drama and a
Speaker 1: lot of heroes. Some questionable moves there, and of course
Speaker 1: we end up with Justin Turner of the Dodgers, pulled
Speaker 1: from the World Series last night after a positive COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen test. We didn't know why at the time, but
Speaker 1: Turner went over three He had two strikeouts. He came
Speaker 1: out of the game starting the eighth inning. The team
Speaker 1: didn't give a reason for his exit when he left,
Speaker 1: Sources told ESPN's Jeff Passing. Turner had been asked to
Speaker 1: isolate after the positive test, but no one stopped him
Speaker 1: from going onto the field to celebrate. Sources told Passing
Speaker 1: that in the second inning, the lab doing a COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen test informed Baseball Turner's test from Monday came back inconclusive.
Speaker 1: So that's in the second inning. It's unclear why the
Speaker 1: results of the test arrived after the game started, but
Speaker 1: we're trying to get somebody who was on the ground
Speaker 1: there to help us understand that sample's taken from Tuesday
Speaker 1: arrived at the lab and turner His were run immediately.
Speaker 1: When it showed up positive. The league called the Dodgers
Speaker 1: and said to pull Turner. The Dodgers didn't have a
Speaker 1: choice in this. I don't know how long they waited
Speaker 1: to pull him from the game. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this was a case of Jeff Passon or Kenny Rosenthal
Speaker 1: maybe finding this out and the Dodgers had to pull him,
Speaker 1: or Major League Baseball had to pull him. Why you
Speaker 1: get results back during a game? That was the strange
Speaker 1: part of it. What kind of you know, COVID protocol
Speaker 1: do you have that you're running test and you're getting
Speaker 1: results back to you during a game. Here is Andrew Friedman,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers president, on Justin Turner testing positive. It was
Speaker 1: obviously a really unfortunate endpoint of this incredible series and
Speaker 1: definitely affected some of the joy from winning, just because
Speaker 1: of how much JT is meant to us and him
Speaker 1: not being able to be on the field for that
Speaker 1: final out with everything he's done for this organization. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that is no one's fault. It's
Speaker 1: just how things played out, and you know, we'll figure
Speaker 1: out exactly how to proceed going forward, because I'm going
Speaker 1: to assume that everybody's going to get tested again after
Speaker 1: the game, before they go their merry way after winning.
Speaker 1: Are they going to have a celebration. Is there going
Speaker 1: to be some kind of celebration in Los Angeles? Will
Speaker 1: they get together for that? I think Justin Turner is
Speaker 1: a free agent in waiting here. But last Dave Roberts
Speaker 1: when he joins us a little bit later on and
Speaker 1: We're trying to get somebody who was there at the game,
Speaker 1: whether it's Jeff Passon or Kenny Rosenthal, and I know
Speaker 1: they're being pulled in a lot of different directions. We're
Speaker 1: just curious about this whole process and how it got
Speaker 1: to the point where you find out in the second
Speaker 1: inning and the next thing you know, in the eighth inning,
Speaker 1: he's pulled and there was no reason given, and then
Speaker 1: he's out there celebrating. He had his mask on for
Speaker 1: most to the time, but he insisted on not having
Speaker 1: his mask on when they had the World Series trophy
Speaker 1: there and that was briefly there. But Baseball realizes it
Speaker 1: was not a good look last night. That's why the
Speaker 1: commissioner said, you know that there was a bittersweet moment
Speaker 1: for Major League Baseball. Yeah, poll. One thing that confused me,
Speaker 1: I had like clarity on is if MLB knows that
Speaker 1: Justin Turner has tested positive. Let's say, in the middle
Speaker 1: of the seventh inning, did I wonder if they considered
Speaker 1: letting him finish out the game since there was two
Speaker 1: more innings he had already played seven innings, or were
Speaker 1: they in a position where if they do that that
Speaker 1: would be disaster knowingly let a player finish a game.
Speaker 1: If somebody found that out right, then it would be
Speaker 1: that baseball. Baseball has been so great. They've had no
Speaker 1: positive test for fifty eight days, none and then you
Speaker 1: get one at this point and was it a false positive?
Speaker 1: We weren't quite sure. It was inconclusive. Then you run
Speaker 1: the test again and then it comes back, and then
Speaker 1: you say, we got a pulling from the game. There's
Speaker 1: there's more to this story. I don't know what direction
Speaker 1: it goes in, but it feels like there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot more to this story. And plus he had been
Speaker 1: around his teammates this whole time. And what are the
Speaker 1: odds that if Justin Turner has this, that other players
Speaker 1: in the Dodger roster are not infected. Maybe they're asymptomatic,
Speaker 1: but you have wives there, families there. Oh. But we're
Speaker 1: trying to get answers, and Fritzie has done a great job.
Speaker 1: He's trying to track down somebody who was there at
Speaker 1: the game. Eight seven seven three D P show email
Speaker 1: address DP of Dan Patrick dot com. We're talking about analytics.
Speaker 1: We just got to tweet Phil who was a Cubs
Speaker 1: fan since eighty nine says the Houston Astros used trash canalytics.
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's pretty good trash cantalytic, Champong.
Speaker 1: I guess we got to get into this at some point.
Speaker 1: How much do you blame or not blame Justin Turner
Speaker 1: for his actions after the game. He waited till well
Speaker 1: after maybe MLB officials were out of the clubhouse or whatever,
Speaker 1: and went on the field. I was told not to
Speaker 1: go out there, told, but not physically restrained or anything. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think I know what I would do
Speaker 1: if I were in that situation I was just In
Speaker 1: turn I would probably do the similar thing I would,
Speaker 1: you know, I would probably more. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's a Dodger in four months from now, and I
Speaker 1: think I would probably go out and get the picture
Speaker 1: of my teammates with a mask on if I could.
Speaker 1: I just know myself and my wife and obviously whatever
Speaker 1: I have, she has um I have. But these are
Speaker 1: your teammates and other people around you, and you can't
Speaker 1: be careless. I know you want to celebrate, but you
Speaker 1: can't be careless. I think I would have. I think
Speaker 1: I would have gone out there and said I'm I'm
Speaker 1: possibly positive, and I'm gonna go out and get the
Speaker 1: picture and do two or three minutes and then move on.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do the monkey pile with him and
Speaker 1: jostling around him. And he shouldn't been out there. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't be out there. And if you are out there,
Speaker 1: wear a mask the whole time. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: just it's that's not a good look. Not a good look.
Speaker 1: And it's a fortunate moment because it takes away from
Speaker 1: a greater moment that the Dodgers won the World Series.
Speaker 1: Yah see in the moment though, it's got to be
Speaker 1: pretty difficult, Yes it is. It's got to be pretty
Speaker 1: difficult to lay off on that. But you're already told
Speaker 1: that you're you're taken out of the game in the
Speaker 1: eighth inning and you're told by Major League Baseball to
Speaker 1: not go on the field. It's a tough moment. Baseball
Speaker 1: tells you not to go on the field. Your Dodger
Speaker 1: president Andrew Friedman talked about it. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate because we should be just talking about the Dodgers
Speaker 1: and what an unbelievable season and Baseball pulling this off somehow,
Speaker 1: making it work. No positive test for fifty eight days,
Speaker 1: and then we have one in the World Series. In
Speaker 1: game six, you had Blake Snell being pulled from the game.
Speaker 1: Mookie Betts was awesome, Corey Seeger, MVP, Clayton Kershaw finally
Speaker 1: gets his World Series win. I mean, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of great moments here, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on what happened with Justin Turner,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to overlook it either, because could
Speaker 1: this happen in Let's say this happened in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl third quarter? Hey, Patrick Mahomes, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: come out. We got a fault, we got an inconclusive
Speaker 1: test here, or you tested positive. But that's what happened
Speaker 1: last night. As crazy as it may sound, that's what
Speaker 1: happened last night. Jeff Passon from the Mothership joining us
Speaker 1: on short notice. Jeff, thanks for joining us. I hate
Speaker 1: to focus on just one thing, but we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what was happening in real time with the
Speaker 1: Dodgers and Justin Turner and when everybody, Why did this
Speaker 1: test come back during the middle of Game six of
Speaker 1: the World Series. Boy, is that a great question, Dan
Speaker 1: and the one. Now, there are two things that I'm
Speaker 1: still a little confused about. The first is that I
Speaker 1: was told that the test from Monday, which should have
Speaker 1: been back before game time on Tuesday, before Game six,
Speaker 1: had not arrived. The results arrived in the second inning
Speaker 1: and they said that Justin Turner's test was inconclusive. It
Speaker 1: showed some signs that he might be positive. And right
Speaker 1: around then, the tests that were taken on Tuesday, the
Speaker 1: day of Game six, had arrived in Utah at Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball's lap for COVID nineteen testing, and they said,
Speaker 1: don't rerun that original inconclusive test. Let's just go straight
Speaker 1: to the new one and spin that sucker. And it
Speaker 1: takes about two hours to get results. And in between
Speaker 1: the second inning when they had the inconclusive test from
Speaker 1: Monday and the seventh inning when they had finally gotten
Speaker 1: the results from Tuesday testing, they realized that Tuesdays came
Speaker 1: back positive. Called up the Dodgers said get him out
Speaker 1: of the game as soon as you can, and that's
Speaker 1: why Justin Turner sat down, and everything that happened happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: but he's been around his teammates. We've had no positives
Speaker 1: for fifty eight days. Yeah, I don't know if Baseball
Speaker 1: ran the risk of leaving him in the game since
Speaker 1: he had already been around his teammates. He you know
Speaker 1: here he is in the seventh inning here. I don't
Speaker 1: know if reporters, I don't know if you or Kenny Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: like you guys found out and Baseball had to do this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to be cynical or skeptical with this,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of crazy. It's just went unfolded, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's totally crazy and it's totally ridiculous. I will say
Speaker 1: this though, and correct me if I'm wrong here, because
Speaker 1: I might be off. But I think if Justin Turner
Speaker 1: had tested positive and had remained in isolation, it would
Speaker 1: have been a part of this story, but it would
Speaker 1: not have been the focus like it is right now.
Speaker 1: And the fact that he was out there on the field,
Speaker 1: the fact that he went out there with a mask
Speaker 1: but took it down taking pictures with his wife and
Speaker 1: took it all when he was sitting next to the
Speaker 1: World Series trophy on his left and Dave Roberts, his manager,
Speaker 1: a cancer survivor, on the right, who was also maskless.
Speaker 1: You know, Andrew Friedman talked about the optics and how
Speaker 1: the optics were bad. If that's the case, and the
Speaker 1: optics were bad, but I mean it goes beyond optics too, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's a health thing, and it's a
Speaker 1: bummer that baseball had done as well as it had
Speaker 1: for as long as it had and then when something
Speaker 1: like this happened, it was pulled off in such a slipshot,
Speaker 1: just ugly way. And I don't think, you know what,
Speaker 1: to me, I don't think it takes away from what
Speaker 1: Dodgers did and from the meaning of this. I think
Speaker 1: when we look back five or ten years from now,
Speaker 1: we're going to look back and say that the Dodgers
Speaker 1: won the World Series for the first time in thirty
Speaker 1: two years. But in the moment, it just feels wrong
Speaker 1: and it looked wrong, and you know, you can you
Speaker 1: can have a lot of excuses. You can say he's
Speaker 1: been around his teammates and people in the organization in
Speaker 1: close quarters. He rode the bus with them over to
Speaker 1: the park that day, at twenty minute bus ride, so
Speaker 1: clearly he was, you know, close enough to people for
Speaker 1: more than fifteen minutes that they're pretty much all going
Speaker 1: to be contacts with him at this point, and that
Speaker 1: all the people who he ran into on the field
Speaker 1: were people who he had run into already otherwise. But
Speaker 1: even still, you know, baseball had had done such a
Speaker 1: good job up until this point, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that it went the way that it did. May
Speaker 1: imagine if there was a Game seven, like, oh my goodness, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting you say that because let's say
Speaker 1: Blake Snell hadn't been pulled out of the game. Let's
Speaker 1: say he continued to shove the way that he was
Speaker 1: and Justin Turners COVID test came back positive number one.
Speaker 1: Justin Turner is not going to be playing in a
Speaker 1: game seven. Number two. It's going to be at least
Speaker 1: two days until another game seven. And if there are
Speaker 1: more positive tests that come in, it's going to delay
Speaker 1: it again and again and again, and we're just going
Speaker 1: to be sitting here for lord knows how long while
Speaker 1: this whole thing happens. And you know, I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope like hell that there are no other positive tests
Speaker 1: that come back. But if there were, imagine that these
Speaker 1: players have to sit out. You know upward of two
Speaker 1: weeks and the Dodgers are going out there for a
Speaker 1: Game seven, playing with a roster that's you know, three quarters,
Speaker 1: it's normal size, but they're missing multiple players who they
Speaker 1: would have there in a normal situation. I mean, major
Speaker 1: League Baseball is thanking it's lucky Stars right now that
Speaker 1: this was the outcome. We're talking to Jeff Passon from ESPN,
Speaker 1: the Great Baseball Reporter. When I watched Blake Snell through
Speaker 1: the first four innings and it seemed to be cruising.
Speaker 1: And I know what the analytics were when he gets
Speaker 1: to the fifth in but I'm just not sure this
Speaker 1: got the Dodger or this got the raise here. I
Speaker 1: understand that they are based in analytics. I just didn't
Speaker 1: know if anybody talked to anybody like the catcher, Did
Speaker 1: anybody say Blake wants to stay in there. I just
Speaker 1: didn't know this, this is the World Series, this is
Speaker 1: Game six. Guys have a propensity to step up even higher, taller,
Speaker 1: in a bigger moment. I didn't know if Blake Snell
Speaker 1: all of a sudden was not getting bite on his curveball,
Speaker 1: didn't have velocity, didn't have location. All I know is
Speaker 1: what Mookie Betts said after the game, Jeff, He's like, basically,
Speaker 1: thank god he got out of there because I had
Speaker 1: a chance to get a hit. It's really interesting, and
Speaker 1: I want to make it comparison that I haven't heard
Speaker 1: a whole lot. Then twenty four hours earlier, Clayton Kershaw
Speaker 1: was out on the mound having gotten two outs on
Speaker 1: two pitches in the sixth inning, and Dave Roberts walked
Speaker 1: out there and got absolutely food to death by all
Speaker 1: the Dodger fans who were at the stadium there And
Speaker 1: we're not sitting here today talking about the Dodgers as
Speaker 1: as world champions who were based on analytics, what the
Speaker 1: Raise did was really no different than what the Dodgers did. Now,
Speaker 1: you can make the argument that Blake Snell has better
Speaker 1: stuff than Clayton Kershaw, and it's true, and you can
Speaker 1: make the argument that Blake Snell looked just as sharp
Speaker 1: as he did, but that's also you know, running into
Speaker 1: the fallacy of what you've done is what you're going
Speaker 1: to do. That's not always the case. We just this
Speaker 1: will be like an all time you know what could
Speaker 1: have been, And we think because he was so great
Speaker 1: beforehand that he was going to continue that and me,
Speaker 1: if I'm the manager, if I'm Kevin Cash, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: probably keeping him in there. But I'm saying that from
Speaker 1: a position of privilege where A I don't have to
Speaker 1: make those decisions. But Anderson hadn't pitched well, Jeff. That
Speaker 1: was my point is I'm bringing in a guy who
Speaker 1: has struggled. Yes, if you're going to tell me that
Speaker 1: Blake Snell, third time around is going to struggle, let me.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep you in until you give up
Speaker 1: a hit, and then you know that, I know that,
Speaker 1: and then we will part ways on the mound. But
Speaker 1: until then, I mean, admittedly, Dan, he had just given
Speaker 1: up a hit, Okay, right, Yes, like Austin Barnes had
Speaker 1: hit the last Pitchie through, which was the ninety four
Speaker 1: point three mile per hour fastball, which was his lowest
Speaker 1: of the night up the middle. You know, Blake Snell
Speaker 1: had been sitting at ninety six all night. Now, I'd
Speaker 1: like to think I'm smart enough not to base my
Speaker 1: analysis of a player on a single pitch that he drew.
Speaker 1: Blake Snell could have come out and thrown the next
Speaker 1: one at ninety seven for all I know. You know,
Speaker 1: the velocity on his off speed pitches in that inning
Speaker 1: thus far had been consistent with the other ones that
Speaker 1: he had throw, and Mookie had not hit left handers,
Speaker 1: he had not hit Snell. I mean, I'm not basing
Speaker 1: this off the results, because in the moment I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I would definitely leave him in there.
Speaker 1: I mean I will. I will say this, Dan, it's
Speaker 1: incredible that Mookie, Betts, Corey Seeger and Justin Turner, who
Speaker 1: have been awesome, all three of them this postseason, went
Speaker 1: over six with six punch outs against Blake Snell the
Speaker 1: first two times through the order. Yeah, great job, and
Speaker 1: thank you again for all the times that you got
Speaker 1: up and joined us on the program the entire season,
Speaker 1: always entertaining. We're thinking, though your voice reminds us of
Speaker 1: a younger Keith Morrison from NBC Dateline. I'll take that.
Speaker 1: That guy rules. Can you? Can you say oh that
Speaker 1: pesky dna? I would love to. Okay, Okay, mold on. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I haven't sleft yet, so I don't know how it's
Speaker 1: going to come out. Okay, Oh that pesky dna. Uh.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the offseason, Jeff, Thanks for joining us. Safe travels home, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: the pleasure is always mine. Thanks for having me. That's
Speaker 1: Jeff passing from the Mother's ship. Good job Todd trying
Speaker 1: to track him down. You know, we wanted to get
Speaker 1: Kenny Rosenthal or Jeff they were they were there and
Speaker 1: reporting on this. Uh you know they had some access
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. Yeah, Paul, if you could have any
Speaker 1: piece of video, And I said Rob Manfred getting informed
Speaker 1: that Justin Turner had just tested positive for COVID or
Speaker 1: anything else on Earth. I can't imagine his face. He's like,
Speaker 1: this is it. I got the World Series done. He's
Speaker 1: sitting there in his suite. He's sitting there and enjoying it.
Speaker 1: He's working on his rehearsing his speech to hand out
Speaker 1: the trophy. He's got a ginger ale in one hand.
Speaker 1: He's about to make it the home flight. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, what what what happened? Who tested? Punt? What? Wait?
Speaker 1: I gotta do what? I gotta call the Dodgers and
Speaker 1: tell them what? Oh? Derek in Virginia, Hi Derek, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today? Hey? Dan? Uh? Good morning? Talks
Speaker 1: to the welcome one five. Thank you? Um, I am
Speaker 1: curious uh watching that game? Last night. I'm not about
Speaker 1: pulbs um. I'm a very talented basing film. I thought
Speaker 1: it was into amount of time. I sat and watched
Speaker 1: the baseball game with my dad and god only knows
Speaker 1: how long. And I'm watching you stuff like he's full
Speaker 1: to eat, he's hidden corners and were unwising the game together,
Speaker 1: and he gives a one hit and a Yankee yeah,
Speaker 1: but watching one of the all time great performances two yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't and thank you, Derek got a little
Speaker 1: issue with your phone there. I just wasn't sure about
Speaker 1: his velocity and Mookie had not done anything against him.
Speaker 1: That's why my gut feeling, and this isn't based off analytics.
Speaker 1: It was just the gut feeling of how they were swinging.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you can tell how good somebody's
Speaker 1: stuff is where you see them and they're not close.
Speaker 1: But and I realized that it can change drastically. But
Speaker 1: my thought when I watched it in real time was
Speaker 1: the Dodgers didn't look comfortable against Blake Snell. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to make them a little more comfortable,
Speaker 1: but I would have left him in to face Mookie
Speaker 1: bets and live with the results there, it's the World Series.
Speaker 1: The guy you bring in is not pitching, well, is
Speaker 1: he going to be pitching better than Blake Snell is
Speaker 1: going to be pitching if I leave Blake Snell in there? Yeah? Point,
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Dan, And I think the manager
Speaker 1: would have got less criticism for following his gut. Analytics
Speaker 1: are easy to rip, but saying, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: I trusted my guy Blake was crushing would be less critiquable,
Speaker 1: if that's a word, because he's it's a person and
Speaker 1: not a concept. Yeah. And I know that people of turn,
Speaker 1: you know, change baseball and you know some great results
Speaker 1: with analytics. I just think there's a certain point where
Speaker 1: you ask somebody, can you go, okay, how you feel?
Speaker 1: And you can tell these guys can tell that the
Speaker 1: sound of the ball when it hits the catcher's mit,
Speaker 1: the break on it, how you know what it sounds
Speaker 1: like when the Dodgers are, you know, making contact. You
Speaker 1: can tell if somebody is not fooled anymore. And it
Speaker 1: just felt like the Dodgers were still uncomfortable there. Whether
Speaker 1: they you know, they raise would have won, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I like their chances better with Blake Snell in there. Yeah, McLeman,
Speaker 1: I mean they had to score a run though they
Speaker 1: just like they weren't at a shot about the whole game, Well,
Speaker 1: that goes back to what I told you when the
Speaker 1: series started. This isn't a good team getting on base.
Speaker 1: They don't do anything. How they got to the World
Speaker 1: Series is mind boggling, because if if they didn't have
Speaker 1: a ros Arena, they would have no chance. Yeah, mcclen,
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me too. The Dodgers were down three
Speaker 1: one of the Braves, Like this was real. Series could
Speaker 1: have been everything could have gone differently crazy crazy. All right,
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Speaker 1: and once again, congratulations to the Dodgers beating the Rays
Speaker 1: three to one. More of your phone calls here, Reggie
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay. Hey Reg, Hello, Dan and Dannet. So
Speaker 1: are you guys today doing okay? You don't sound too good?
Speaker 1: Uh no, not really? Well, let me get this in
Speaker 1: six one and a repoleated prease in two fifty. And
Speaker 1: I tell you what, guys, you should have listened to
Speaker 1: the postgame show down here, all your affiliate down here,
Speaker 1: down here in six twenty w DAE because I tell
Speaker 1: you Cash was roasted better than anything you guys would
Speaker 1: cook on a meat Friday. I'm telling you it was.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable the move that he made. And it's
Speaker 1: just really disappointing you one of the guys dealing like that.
Speaker 1: I don't see what analytics or favor metrics or analytics
Speaker 1: or any kind of icks, because that's what the game
Speaker 1: ended up being. Ick that you would take some guy
Speaker 1: out like that, and I think Tim Kirchin said it
Speaker 1: best because after the game was over, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to see the dogs selver I just switched over to
Speaker 1: the mother's ship. And Tim Kirchin said it best to
Speaker 1: where it seems like in the day's baseball we stopped
Speaker 1: watching the game or we lost the field for the game.
Speaker 1: When you see a guy that's dealing like that and
Speaker 1: just just mowing and mowing them down, and to put
Speaker 1: to go to the dugout, I mean to go to
Speaker 1: the bullpen that at that point, it just it just
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Well, you know, in fairness to cash, he
Speaker 1: got you to the World Series with the analytics, Thank you, Reggie.
Speaker 1: This was just a gut feeling. I think there has
Speaker 1: to be the human element mixed in with the analytics.
Speaker 1: It can't just be numbers crunching because baseball is it's
Speaker 1: not built on that. You can do certain things at
Speaker 1: certain times with certain players. But there's also that element
Speaker 1: of I'm going to leave him in. Imagine all the
Speaker 1: great pitching performances if we use today's analytics. You know,
Speaker 1: Madison Bumgardner was a warrior. When he was out there
Speaker 1: for the Giants, he just said Hey, put me out there,
Speaker 1: start me, Relieve me. I'm going to be there to
Speaker 1: help you. And these guys who go past seven innings,
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like those kinds are dinosaurs. Wait
Speaker 1: how long did you go? I went seven innings? Oh
Speaker 1: my god. These guys are supposed to be in better shape,
Speaker 1: better nutrition, better travel, you know, better accommodations, everything, and
Speaker 1: we're struggling for them to go five and two thirds.
Speaker 1: If you're a workhorse, thats you go maybe six innings.
Speaker 1: But it just feels like, you know, when I don't
Speaker 1: know what scounts are looking at when they go see
Speaker 1: a picture. Now, are they looking at somebody who can
Speaker 1: go every day for an inning? Because it feels like
Speaker 1: that's where baseball is going. Are there going to be starters? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean starter in name only. Yeah, I'm in clubbing.
Speaker 1: And that might be the takeaway from last night that
Speaker 1: that bullpen method might I mean, it was a dominating performance. Yes,
Speaker 1: sixteen strikeouts out of that bullpend. If you go left right, left, right, left, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I get it. I understand what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I just it's not exciting baseball. But it did win
Speaker 1: a World Series for you and got another team to
Speaker 1: the World Series doing that that philosophy. Yeah, point, I
Speaker 1: wonder if these gms and owners look at that bullpen
Speaker 1: style as also a financial move where I don't have
Speaker 1: to pay some guy one hundred and seventy five million
Speaker 1: dollars for six years ever again, because there will there
Speaker 1: not be any starting pitchers that command that money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was wondering about Garrett Cole and going is he
Speaker 1: Is that the last big Baseball contract for a pitcher?
Speaker 1: Because why would I invest three hundred million dollars in
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher? As much as I love Garrett Cole,
Speaker 1: but I don't know where we're going with starting pitching. Yes, McLevin,
Speaker 1: but did the Nationals one with starting with two aces
Speaker 1: last year? So it's like every other year all right?
Speaker 1: That feels like that's such a long time ago. Baseball's
Speaker 1: changed so much. But hey, the Rays did it and
Speaker 1: it worked, got him to the World Series. They were
Speaker 1: not a good team. Wait, bit, did you pick them
Speaker 1: because of their pitching? The depth of their pitching is
Speaker 1: the reason why. And I said, if they hit, they'll win.
Speaker 1: The Dodgers it was they'll hit, if they pitch, they'll win.
Speaker 1: Simple as that and that's what happened. The Rays did
Speaker 1: not hit, Dodgers hit and got some pitching in there.
Speaker 1: Well here from More of the Dodgers coming up next hour,
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